Related update: Comelec wants election paraphernalia recovered from Ampatuans
Bakit ba hindi lumalabas si Gloria Arroyo para magsalita sa napaka-mahalagang bagay na nagyayari sa bansa: ang pagdeklara ng martial law.
Kahit sa Maguindanao lang ang deklarasyon, isang mahalagang desisyun yun at walang presidente ang gumawa nun mula nang maibalik ang demokrasya sa Pilipinas.
Bakit si Executive Secretary Eduardo Ermita ang pumirma ng deklarasyon pati ang report na kanyang pinadala sa Kongreso? Kahit sa TV, hindi siya lumabas para ipahayag itong mahalagang proklamasyun.
Siya pa ba ang nagpapatakbo ng Pilipinas? O puppet na lang siya nina Ermita at mga tinatawag na “hardliners”sa Malacañang.
Sino nga ba ang nagpapatakbo ng pamahalaan ngayon? Noong haka-haka pa lang ang martial law, sinasabi natin hindi mangyari yun kasi hindi hawak ni Gloria Arroyo ang military. Hindi katulad noon ni Ferdinand Marcos noong 1972.
Ngayon nangyari na. Nagdeklara na ang martial law. Ibig ba sabhin nun mali tayo at hawak pala ni Arroyo ang military? O baka naman siya ang hawak ng military ngayon?
Maraming bagay ang nangyayari ngayon na nakakabahala.Apat ba araw pa lang ang martial law sa Maguindanao ngunit gustong-gusto na ni Major Gen. Gaudencio Pangilinan, vice chief of staff para sa operations, na paa-butin hanggang eleksyun sa Mayo.
Kapag pinaabot yan sa eleksyun, sigurado, maghahanap na naman yan ng rason ha pahabain. Kung makalusot nga naman, bakit hindi.
Ang galing naman talaga nitong paboritong heneral ni Gloria Arroyo. Pareho lang siya ng kanyang amo. Bakit magkakaroon ba ng private army ang mga Ampatuan kung maayos ang palakd nila sa miltiary? Paano naman napunta ang mga armas ng military kina Ampatuan?
Hulyo 2003 pa nang ibinulgar ng mga junior na opisyal sa Oakwood ang anomalya ng pagbebenta ng militar ng mga armas at bala sa mga kaaway ng pamahalaan. Nag-imbistiga ba? May naparusahan ba? Ang ikinulong pa ay ang nagbulgar.
Ngayon gusto pa ni Pangilinan pahabain ang walang basehan na martial law sa Maguindanao. Aayusin na nila ang eleksyun. Akala yata ni Pangilinan nakalimutan ng taumbayan na kasama ang heneral ni Arroyo sa pandaraya nina Ampatuan nonng 2004 na eleksyun.
Hindi ko alam kung pareho ang ang pag-iisip ni AFP Chief Victor Ibrado kay Pangilinan. May mga nagsasabi kasi na isa si Ibrado sa hindi kaagad sumang-ayon sa pagdeklara ng martial law sa Maguindanao. Kaya lang, sumunod na rin.
Ang nakakatakot nito ay baka bukas, buong Pilipinas na ang ide-deklara na sakop ng martial law.
Kailangan tayo magpu-protesta ngayon palang. Bukas may rally sa Mendiola ng simula 10:30 ng umaga. Ito ay inu-organisa ng November 23 Movement, ang grupo ng mga mamahayag na naghahanap ng katarungan para sa mga biktima ng masaker sa Maguindanao.
Meron pa bang matinong sundalo bakit sila sunodsunuran sa maling ginagawa ng fake goverment eto na yata ang mga pinakainuting sa mundo (AFP) Armed Forces of the Philippines parang mga robot walang mga kumikilos kahit na mapahiya sa buong mundo ang mga pilipino walang moral mga pansariling interes lang ang iniisip…Pweee
She who rides a tiger is afraid to dismount.
dati pa naman at mula pa nung umpisa ng termino ni Gloria ay sina Ermita na ang may malaking papel sa pagpapatakbo ng bansa. Hindi naman puppet si Gloria, kung baga ay conspiracy, connivance at ‘tayo-tayo’ system. Lahat makikinabang sa ‘paggahasa’ sa bayan. At syempre kung andyan si ermita, hindi nasa likod palagi si Tabako Ramos. Ngyon ang kaba ko, sa darating na eleksyon, may bagong ‘bata’ sila. BUkod sye,pre sa administration candidate eh, iyan ay sa katauhan ni Nyoynyoy.
“hindi nasa likod palagi si Tabako Ramos”
Ups, i mean, hindi mawawala at nasa likod palagi si Tabako Ramos. He works always in the shadows.
Nasaan na nga ba si the goyang at itong mukha ni Tandang Edong na lamang ang nakikita sa media interviews?
Hindi kaya nalaglag na naman ang isang suso at ipinapaayos uli?
Saan kayang ospital?
Don’t you wish you can always believe what gets published in Pinas media newspapers?
From Inquirer-online, this report. Three-thousand????
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http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingnews/nation/view/20091207-240645/Ampatuan-loyalists-clash-with-police
Pinagtatagpan lang ng Inutil armed forces of the philippines ang ang mga na nakuhang armas at sa nakalipas na dayaan kesa Bigyan ng hustisya ang mga pinatay…
Ang tanong paano na kung si Noynoy ang maging Pangulo sa susunod na halalan kaya ba niyan bigyan nang hustisya ang mga pinaslang halos ang mga nakapaligig sa kaya ay mga trapo 80 percent ng liberal party ay mga lakas-kampi parang tinira tayo ng patalikod ….
“Hindi kaya nalaglag na naman ang isang suso (ni Gloria Ampatuwad) at ipinapaayos uli?
“Saan kayang ospital?”
Hahahahahahahahahahahah!
“Suddenly they were fired upon and there was an exchange of gunfire. They were not able to move so they called in reinforcements,” national police chief Director General Jesus Verzosa said.”
Letse! Kutsakutsaba na kayo, mga inutil!
Nakipagbarilan, hindi makakilos?
Baka naman kaya may mga hang over pa ang mga tulis o kaya’y sobrang busong sa daming nilamon?
General Verzosa, huwag mo naman kaming takutin. Bumenta na ‘yan, eh!
si taba ang nagpapatakbo ng pamahalaan, kung wala si taba ay ala din yan si gloria.
si gloria ay nagpa facelift kaya nagmukha syang demonya, kaya ko nasabi yan ay kung ikumpara nyo ang mukha nya sa mga taong nag pa facelift ay parehong pareho ng characteristic ang mga mukha nila. kaya siguro hindi sya nagpapakita ngayon sa tv dahil inaayos pa yong facelift nya para hindi sya magmukhang demonya. sino kaya ang gumawa ng facelift nya? dito ba ginawa yong facelift nya o sa ibang bansa?
si noynoy di nya kailangan ang facelift para mawala ang autistic face nya. ang kailangan ni noynoy ay lobotomy para mawala yong pagnanakaw nya sa sctex scam.
ellen,
walang laban si Ibrado kay Boygee in sucking up to powers that be.
ellen,
gustong-gusto na ni Major Gen. Gaudencio Pangilinan, vice chief of staff para sa operations, na paa-butin hanggang eleksyun sa Mayo
deputy chief of staff J3 pa lang siya hindi pa vice chief of staff… pero no problem — mas may power pa yan over sa VCS.
Huh??? Paano napasok si Noynoy sa usapin ng martial law ni GMA? Ganyan na ba syang kasiguradong mananalo at sa kanya na itutuon kung ano ang gagawin nino kay Noynoy kapag Presidente na sya? Noynoy and I will just cross the bridge when we get there!!!
May duda ako na may deal ang Ampatuans and GMA and GMA is accommodating the former. Ang duda ko ay base sa mga sumusunod:
1. Hindi naposasan si Andal Jr at walang warrant of arrest.
2. Sinundo pa ng Secretary of Justice sa tarmac
3. Delegation of power to PUno the resolution of Maguindanao problems.
4. Announcement of Martial law and explaining it to Congress with Ermita signing the documents.
5. Arresting Andal Sr. beyond the territorial limit of the declaration.
6. No official announcement from GMA herself condemning the Ampatuans and pointing to them as the cause of the declaration of martial law. Which is unlike the Oakwood and Manila Pen seige where she personally appeared on TV condemning the mutiny. isama na rin ang announcement ni L. Fajardo na friends pa rin ni GMA ang mga Ampatuans.
Kasama sa deal na hindi mangagaling kay GMA ang “pagtira” sa mga Ampatuans.
Going back to the question, baka nasa Asian Hospital nga o nasa Lubao Pampanga si GMA undergoing immersion program bilang representative ng District 2 ng Pampanga.
ooops,… TDCS J3
MARTIAL LAW!!wow ang ganda sa pandinig ng mga nakatikim ng mantika ng baboy(pork barrel)kaya 101% yes ang sagot ng mga buwaya lumundag man o hindi,sa kabilang kampo dahil kung aabot lagpas ng May 2010 ang military rules,tuloy pa rin ang ligaya bilang isang kinatawan/tinig ng kanilang lugar at libre pa ang gastos sa pagbili ng BOTO.Di kailangan mambola ng todo-todo upang makuha ang boto,walang semplang o baka sakaling talo ang kanilang kahihinatnan.Kaya ang senado ay 1000% loser,19 against more than 200,ratio of 1:10+ ang laban.Military rules is a kind of safety net for every politicians whose sitting now.
Nasaan nga ba si GMA? Puro mga spinmasters lang ang naglalabas ng statement at itong pinaka-huli, galing kay Remonde at sangayon sa kanya, the Arroyo government did not create the so-called “Ampatuan monster” in Maguindanao.
Press Secretary Cerge Remonde said the Ampatuans, the prime suspects in the Maguindanao massacre which killed at least 57 people, rose to prominence during the Aquino presidency.
“The Ampatuans and the Mangudadatus came into political prominence after the 1986 revolution during the regime of late president Cory Aquino,” Remonde told Palace reporters.
Pwedeng totoo na noong panahon ni Cory nagsimulang umangat sa pulitika ang mga Ampatuans at Mangudadatus pero hindi binanggit ni Remonde na since 2001, ang mga Ampatuans at Mangudadatus ay matinding kakampi at supporters ni GMA. Of course, he will not discuss what happened during the 2004 & 2007 elections
Anna:
Klaruhin natin position ni Boygee. He is the Assistant Deputy Chief of Staff for Operations, J-3 ng AFP. Sa hierarchy, we have the CS, VCS and the DCS. Under the DCS are the Joint Staff like Personnel(J-1), Intel or J-2 Opns(J-3), etc. . .So si Boygee ay Assistant ng Deputy Chief of Staff for Operations. The DCS is the number 3 man sa top echelon after the CS and the VCS. . .all the officers of the Joint Staff sport 2 stars. . .hanep si Boygee ano. . .puede na mag division commander, then area command, then, Army chief and, his ultimate dream. . .CS. Pero mas matanda sya kay Emperor. . .di sya mag si CS. . .hehe
Joeseg, nasagot na yan tungkol kay Cory ni Fr. Eliseo Mercado, the parish priest of Maganoy in 1986.
Ms. Ellen, puro na lang armas ang kinukuha sa Maguindanao. Sa mundo ng investigative journalists, may balita na ba tungkol sa investigation ng mga pera ng Ampatuans? Kung mayron ngang rebellion or brewing rebellion sa Maguindanao ang mga Ampatuans, the aspect of financing the rebellion should be looked into.
Pwedeng totoo na noong panahon ni Cory nagsimulang umangat sa pulitika ang mga Ampatuans at Mangudadatus pero hindi binanggit ni Remonde na since 2001, ang mga Ampatuans at Mangudadatus ay matinding kakampi at supporters ni GMA. Of course, he will not discuss what happened during the 2004 & 2007 elections- joeseg
As always, me lagnat sila kung nabubuko.
Nasaan si Gloria? Ayaw kong hanapin, baka lumitaw!
E ano kung umangat ang Ampatuans noong panahon ni Cory, hindi naman sila ginamit sa Hello Garci at katarantaduhan ng yumao. It was really Gloria who created monsters out of them.
Kahit sobrang sipsip nitong si Sen. Miriam Santiago kay GMA pero ngayon ay napapaghalata nang umiiwas, may maganda rin syang statements na pwede nating paniwalaan ike this one:
“In effect therefore, when the President imposes martial law, she is in effect admitting that she failed as commander-in-chief or that she failed to call out the Armed Forces or they do not wish to obey her,” she said.
Marami nang kwento at komentong naglalabasan tungkol sa imposition of martial law sa Maguindanao at ito’y pinangambahan na tumagal o gawin nang pangkalahatan. Marami rin ang nagtataka sa continued silence and disappearing act ni GMA at si Ermita na lang ang pumirma sa justification ng martial law declaration na syang isinumite sa Kongreso.
Sa ganitong kaganapan, may taginting ang katanungan, si GMA pa ang ang nagpapatakbo ng pamahalaan? Ang aking nasa isip ay ang pagkakatalaga kay Norberto Gonzales bilang Acting DND Secretary. Kung ating natatandaan, si Gonzales bilang National Security Adviser ay nagpanukala ng “transition government” na umani ng katakot takot na upasala kaya nanahimik. Kung nagawa ang Proclamation 1959 kahit malabo ang basehan, hindi na tayo masosorpresa kung isusunod na iarangkada ang transition government.
Kung sakali, sino ang magpapatakbo ng transition government?
Sino naman ang maniniwala na lulusot na gawing pangkalahatan ang Martial Law? Kalokohan ito, salita lang ito ng mga sobra ang imahinasyon.
Martial law ba, lulusot kung ideklara sa GenSan City? Sa Tacloban? Sa Baguio? Sino namang heneral o koronel ang tatango kung sabihing sobra ang gulo sa Pampanga second-district kaya kailangan ng martial law?
GMA, okay lang…. heh heh heh.
Maaring sina Ermita, Puno, Assperon, Norberto Gonzales, Raul Gonzalez, Mendoza, at ibang retiradong heneral sa gobierno ang magpapatakbo ng transition government. Maybe little President Ermita shall call the shots. Of course, Jose Pidal shall play an important role.
Kung babasahin mo yung original proclamation 1959 (http://www.ops.gov.ph/records/issuances-proc/PROC1959.pdf) pati na yung previous entry ni Ellen (http://www.ellentordesillas.com/?p=8644), ginamit na dahilan yung RA6986. Instead of RA6968 which is the right Act, RA6986 is about establishing a Barangay High School.
How incompetent!
Marami na namang kikita sa mga congressman pag pinag debatihan ang martial law. Para lang namimili ng damit sa Divisoria si Gloria pagnamimili ng mga boto ng mga wala ng hiya na Congressman. Lumayas ka na Gloria sa puwesto mo, parang awa mo na, iisa kang nagpapahirap sa milyong Pilipino puera ang mga asong ulol sa iyong paligid. Nakakatuyo ka na ng dugo Gloria, hindi ko na alam kung anong salita pa gagamitin sa iyo, ang kapal ng mukha mo pati mag-anak mo.
Magkano kaya kinita ni Ermita sa pagtatago kay Gloria sa loob ng kursansilyo niya.
hindi makikita si putot kasi isa siyang tungaw hiding under the skins of Emita ert al. ang tungaw is so small an insect that sucks one’s blood under the skin…usully found in jungles or forest..once the tungaw gets under your skin napaka kati…tungaw gloria alis na..kati alis…
Joint session congress sa wednesday, pwede pa din isingit ang cha-cha?
Masyadong Tahimik si Sen.Zubiri at si Chavit Singson tungkol sa isyu sa Maguindanao, di ba sila nag#1 sa maguindanao nuong 2004 election?.. Hoy magsalita naman kayo ?
Nakakakaba nga Nelsy iyang joint session, baka mayisingit. Makahinga lang tayo ng maluwag kung after joint session ay walang ibang naisingit. Kung manyari iyon, abah, not only twice ang denggoyan, it would be the third.
Ang pagkaka-alam ko ay mas magaang ang parusa ng rebellion kaysa sa MURDER! At syempre mas maraming advantage kay Gloria at alipores niyang nakinabang sa Hello Garci ang pag-deklara ng Martial law. Hitting a lot of birds in one stone!
Pero teka multiple murder ito ah!
A different view: Let me share what I have learned from my conversation with an Atty. Rebellion is a political crime. But here’s what interesting from another guest :
I replied according to my understanding of criminal law. In murder, the prosecutor will probably point the Ampatuans as the proximate cause ( location and direct duty) . The rest can be liable as contributorty to the crime regardless if they knew nothing that a crime was about to happen.
But rebellion is a political crime against the government-the people. Rebellion may have a different judicial process.Those who are supposed to be” contributory” to the crime of murder may not incur liability in rebellion. In my point of view, those ” contributory” becomes one- the government or the people of the government. Could this be the reason why
Gloria did not show up?
This gruesome event is very embarrassing for her because she is the commander in chief. Attending the session with all the other guilty like her is too sick… She is probably would just like to relax in bed just like the other rich people in the world 🙂
Tongue re #25, Devanera admitted in the forum with FOCAP that it was a typographical error. Anyway, she said, the relevant provision was stated in the proclamation.
It may not affect the cases but it shows sloppiness with the way policies that has grave implications for the country and the people are made by this administration which has shown many times their contempt for the law.
henry,
Good of you to clarify the different positions — para mas klaro (especially for Ellen), kompletohin natin: deputy chief of staff in short is always called or referred to as TDCS (that’s how his papers are signed).
By the way, puwede pa rin maipasok ni Boygee ang sarili niya (contender) for CS if he can get division (even for 3 months, has happened a few times so why not?) then 3 months to 6 months as SOCOM (happened too – Reyes and if I’m not mistaken, Braganza or Senga), 3 months or so as if CG PA (happened a couple of times if not more – Abadia and Reyes) … of course, that will depend on seniority or promotions by merit being respected; happened a lot in the navy, so army should be no different.
Boygee’s main handicap is he does appear arrogant and full of himself (although he can be muy simpatico to those who are close to him and will go out of his way to be nice and helpful) but if he sucks up to the current CS — and to all the members of the Board of Generals, he stands a chance… he’s still got 2 years anyway if not more (I think).
But of course, at the end of the day, the best patron he can have is Gloria.
It may not affect the cases but it shows sloppiness with the way policies that has grave implications for the country and the people are made by this administration
How can they even begin to justify such sloppiness? Good grief! These bastards have absolutely no respect for the people.
That’s because they know the tolerance level of Filipinos is extremely high…
Hoy magsalita naman kayo ?
Who was it who said, “No speak, no mistake!”
Thanks Henry and Anna. I have met only Pangilinan in person a few times and he really comes in arrogant.
At the FOCAP forum yesterday, he was asked about his desire to have martial law till elections or beyond and he said. “don’t take that seriously. It’s a rhetorical answer to a rhetorical question.”
Is he to be taken seriously? What kind of an officer is that.
Anyway, my firned who is a member of FOCAP said during the forum, everytime a reporter would ask probing questions, she overheard Pangilinan asking Manny Mogato of Reuters, formerly a defense reporter, the background of the reporter.
He even told Mogato not to ask questions anymore.
After the forum, he commented, “hostile pala ang grupo na ito.”
Asian Delight, take note that I edited your comments and changed the case of words that were unnecessarily capitalized.
Please, please stop capitalizing words just for emphasis. It’s distracting.Pangit basahin.
As I’ve said over and over again, you don’t have to capitalize the simplest words to deliver your message. Readers here are intelligent. They will get your message even if they are not screaming, which is what is the impression if you capitalize it.
Comments with so many words unnecessarily capitalized are a turn-off. No one wants to read it.
Hindi ko alam kung pareho ang ang pag-iisip ni AFP Chief Victor Ibrado kay Pangilinan.
What I don’t understand is why Pangilinan was allowed to make pregnant pronouncements about martial law extension!
Either he was given the green light to do so by Ibrado, in which case, buck stops at Ibrado, or he did it on his own without Ibrado’s authorisation. If it’s the latter, Ibrado should be livid — if he ain’t, then he is a weakling.
A mere J-3 making a huge political statement like that? If ever, J-7 should have been tasked with doing it. Particularly at a time like this when gloria’s martial law proclamation is not met with joy, this sort of statement is destablising. They should know that. Why should they telegraph their thoughts. What kind of military tactic is that? Doesn’t make sense.
Hi Ellen,
I was in a rush. I cut and paste that from the other blog and facebook that I have been. No worry, it will change..
Thanks, Asiandelight.
Gloria, saan ka man naroroon magpakita ka naman. Miss na miss ka na namin. Bakit ka ba nawawala, wala namang nagagalit saiyo? Gusto lang naman namin na ibaon kang nakatayo hanggang sa singit sa isang ant hill para naman matikman ng mga langgam yong mamahaling steak at champagne na kinain at ininom mo dito NY.
Anna, I suspect his attention was called re his statement on extending martial law in Maguindanao. That’s why he told foreign correspondents not to take that statement seriously.
Comelec wants Maguindanao ballot boxes
By Jerome Aning, Cathy C. Yamsuan
Philippine Daily Inquirer
The Commission on Elections (Comelec) Monday said security forces should “immediately turn over” to the poll body the ballot boxes and other election paraphernalia that were reportedly confiscated during their search of the houses of the Ampatuan family in Maguindanao province.
Comelec Chair Jose Melo, however, refused to comment on whether the election materials had something to do with the claims of fraud in the 2004 and 2007 polls.
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/inquirerheadlines/nation/view/20091208-240768/Comelec-wants-Maguindanao-ballot-boxes
Ay naku, baka kunin lang nila to keep it from the public. Bigay nyo na lang sa amin, sa VERA Files.
Comelec Chair Jose Melo, however, refused to comment on whether the election materials had something to do with the claims of fraud in the 2004 and 2007 polls.
Which means they probably are… 🙂
Otherwise would have been straightforward and easy to say, “NO!”
Ellen,
Yep, looks like it, indeed.
Just read this in Malaya…
AFP: We can do it without martial law
Balks at extending proclamation
http://www.malaya.com.ph/12082009/news2.html
[…] Pangilinan said the military is not inclined to recommend that the proclamation be extended. On Sunday, he told a press briefing in Malacañang that the AFP is wishing for a longer extension to ensure peaceful elections in May next year. […]
Looks like he got burnt. (They should have only one spokesman. Brawner should be the only one doing the talking to media officially. Two officers at that level needing to control the damage that was done the day before smacks of amateurism.)
Ellen, to be perfectly honest, I’m still a bit sceptical. An officer at that level telegraphing his thought over a critical and controversial political issue is just not done.
Boygee may be full of himself but he is not an idiot. Somehow, he must have been “authorised” to test the waters. By whom, and why? is a big question mark…
Makukuha rin naman ni Gloria by hook or by crook o kahit pa-secreto ang mga 2004 and 2007 election documents from the security forces. Di ba mga kapulisan at militar ang mga yan? Eksperto dyan si Ass.
Sana ay meron security force member na may malasakit na magbato sa Vera Files ng mga documents.
Ay naku, baka kunin lang nila to keep it from the public. Bigay nyo na lang sa amin, sa VERA Files.
My very naughty mind is at work… 🙂
Hah! Ampatuans threatened to squeal about the election cheatings probably hinting at “evidence”, Ermita who knows what goes on in Mindanao surely must have hinted that evidence should be destroyed at all cost, pushes for martial law, Gloria proclaims martial law, military finds/recovers ballot boxes, Melo asks for them (sure, why not, but not after military have tampered with boxes) but poor Filipino public will never ever get to see what’s in those boxes!!!???
Could it be that martial law is a pretext to recover “evidence” of election cheating?
The Ampatuans should’ve known that they couldn’t fight the Establishment (evil as that Establishment may be).
(Reminds me of Joma — who will die without having been able to lick the Establishment he hates so.)
Joma, fight the establishment?
He gets his pension from the Dutch government. Give me a God-forsaken break. He incited people to head for the hills, while he is living in the lap of capitalist luxury. Talk of hypocrisy.
That was Erap’s mistake too… he might have been the president but at some point, he was fighting the Establishment of which he had become a part — he didn’t know when to stop.
Should happen to Gloria too but so far Gloria’s dexterity has paid off. One serious blunder and she will be a goner.
Well, Sax, he did — and for a long time too, and still fighting from the confines of his bourgeois home in Utrecht. Although, he’s now just ranting and raving as he sings and dances with his karaoke partners.
Oh, and by the way, he doesn’t receive a pension from the govt. He’s not entitled to a pension because he never officially worked nor was part of the official work force of The Netherlands.
He received some subsidies in the past thanks to his refugee status but that was stopped when he was put on the terrorist list. His name has now been taken off the list but he’s got to start all over again and beg for subsidy. Problem is he’s no longer officially a refugee in The Netherlands, hence, will be difficult for him to obtain refugee alms from Dutch govt.
Anna, Chi, naughty, naughty talaga.
Anna, I agree with you on this: Boygee may be full of himself but he is not an idiot. Somehow, he must have been “authorised” to test the waters. By whom, and why? is a big question mark…
Siya pa ba ang nagpapatakbo ng Pilipinas? O puppet na lang siya nina Ermita at mga tinatawag na “hardliners”sa Malacañang.
Ellen, not quite puppet siguro… most likely “collégiale” setting na ang pagpatakbo — they know, and she knows that they know, that she needs them so ayan, team work sila…
Ellen,
nabasa mo ba iyong statement ni Erap? http://74.125.77.132/search?q=cache:http://www.tribune.net.ph/headlines/20091204hed6.html
The former leader has a firm stand on the Philippines having only one flag, one armed forces and one government and has made it clear that he will never allow the dismemberment of the Republic.
Estrada pointed out that sometimes, war must be waged in order to achieve peace.
Wow!
Eto pa…
This dismemberment was almost made possible when the Arroyo government peace panel and the Moro Islamic Liberation Front negotiators signed the MoA-AD, allowing the MILF to have under its full control, not only the Autonomous Region of Muslim Mindanano, but also parts of Christian Mindanao, along with parts of Palawan.
Totoo yan…
AdeBrux – December 8, 2009 10:37
Lately, sa lahat ng mga presidentiable mukhang si Erap lang ang visible. Kahit mataas pagtingin ko kay Cory iba pa rin yung may paninindigan…hmmmm
Lumalabas pala na kahit lasenggo, babaero at sugarol si Erap ay mas may puso siya para sa bayan kaysa masiba sa paglamon na si the goyang?
The Liberal Party mafia
Who controls the party of Noynoy? Is it Noynoy?
http://www.manilastandardtoday.com/insideOpinion.htm?f=2009/november/24/jojorobles.isx&d=/2009/november/24
xman, manila standard ba naman,eh di pro admin yan. Ang daily tribune, pro Erap naman. Kanya kanya lang sila ng manok at kung ano na lang ang maibato sa kalaban, lalo na kung perceived na malakas.
“Mindanao does not belong to Bangsamoro, it belongs to all Filipinos….Pres. Joseph Estrada”
Why Pres. Joseph Estrada declared all out war against MILF?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKNbLRrxf84
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHoIz4JubAY
testing 1..2…3
Sa lahat ng mga kapatid natin, tandaan natin ang mga pangalan ng mga DEMONYONG ito na kasama sa salot sa ating lipunan ngayon. Sa buong buhay natin, huwag nating kalimotan na sila ang pinaka rason kung bakit nagiging ganito ang bansa natin. Tandaan natin ang mga demonyong nakasulat sa ibaba:
1. Sec. Raul Gonzales
2. Agnes Devanadera
3. Merceditas gonzales
4. Ronnie Puno
5. Eduardo Ermita
6. Cerge Remonde
7. Gabriel Claudio
8. Atty. Romulo Makalintal
9. Prospero Nograles
10. Prospero Pichay
11. Lorelie Fajardo
12. Mike Defensor Santiago (taga Quezon City: huwag ninyong iboto ang demonyong ito)
13. Lito Atienza (taga Manila City: huwag ninyong iboto ang demonyong ito)
14. PNP Director Versoza
Ilan sa mga ito ay nagkandidato na sa darating na eleksyon. Ang iba ay hindi pa, pero darating ang panahong tatakbo rin sila. Ipabatid ninyo sa mga anak ninyo kung gaano kasama ang mga taong ito. Sa pinaka pinuno nga mga demonyo, taga Pampanga nananawagan kami na sanay huwag ninyong iboto ang pandak na magnanakaw.
Anna:
The former leader has a firm stand on the Philippines having only one flag, one armed forces and one government and has made it clear that he will never allow the dismemberment of the Republic.
Estrada pointed out that sometimes, war must be waged in order to achieve peace.
This is an old line from Erapsky. . .Inuulit-ulit lang para kunwari relevant siya. . . why did he not wage war when Glue and her cabal ousted him in 2001? Erap talaga. . .nagpapatawa na naman. . .
Si Ermita muna sa palasyo, kasi nahihilo si Gloria tuwing umaga at naduduwal, naghahanap ng mangga!!!
why did he not wage war when Glue and her cabal ousted him in 2001?
You’ve raised a good point, Henry…
At the end of the day, and in hindsight, he’s as much to blame for losing the one battle that he should have fought to win with all his might; he completely lost his nerve in the most important battle of his life and so, lost the war.
“…..si Gloria tuwing umaga at naduduwal, naghahanap ng mangga!!!” – Tilamsik
Tumalsik, este Tilamsik (pala),
Baka naman sawa na sa caviar na pampulutan kaya mangga naman ang gustong lantakan.
Hindi na mangyayari ang iniisip mo dahil ang matris ni the goyang ay reconstructed na rin kaya hindi na magkakabibi.
Anna, Henry,
Wala kasing kamera noon kaya hindi na itinuloy ang eksenang makikipagbakbakan si Erap.
His sense of partiotism is still working but his mind and heart are no more intact.
“Earlier reports said burned copies of voter registration forms and voter identification cards were unearthed in a property of Ampatuan Sr. over the weekend” – PDI
Kaya nga humihirit ng extended Martial Law si Boygee. Mabubuking yung mga sundalo nila na lahat registered voters pala sa Maguindanao!
Tilamsik,
‘Yung matris ni the goyang ay ginawa ng alkansiya. Kapag naghulog ka ng piso ay ‘ambilis ng interes. Wala pang isang taon libo libo na kaagad ‘yung kapital.
principal pala ‘yun parang mas mataas sa sitser.
“132 private armed groups exist in RP – DND chief” – GMA News website
If one armed group – the Ampatuan’s – have armory the size of two AFP battalions, is it safe to assume that the 132 groups have about 264 battalion-sized private armories?
Is that where our taxes go?
“132 private armed groups exist in RP – DND chief” – GMA News website
Then, declare martial law in the whole country!
Nagtataka ang mga taga Maguindanao kung bakit nag deklara ng martial law dahil wala namang lumalaban o rebellion o imminent danger laban sa gobyerno ng Pinas?
http://www.bulatlat.com/main/2009/12/08/audio-maguindanao-folk-live-in-fear-because-of-martial-law/
Henry: “why did he not wage war when Glue and her cabal ousted him in 2001? Erap talaga. . .nagpapatawa na naman. . .”
Unang-una wala siyang private army tulad ni Ampatuan, kaya wala siyang ilalaban. And besides he sacrificed his presidency to prevent bloodshed among the people. Iyan ang tunay na tao, hindi katulad ng mga nag-ma-MASSACRE just to show how rich and powerful they are.
Common sense dictates that the situation of Maguindanao and his ouster is completely different. In Maguindanao, marami na ang namamatay sa Malacanang si Erap ayaw niyang may makitang namamatay dahil lang sa kaniya. During his time wala ng lakas ang MILF, pagpasok ni Gloria ibinalik lahat ni Gloria ang panalo niya.
The comparison is between orange and apple, totally incomparable.
Ano ang ini expect natin sa mga yellow LIARS?
Lies, however numerous, will be caught by truth when it rises up.
“Si Arroyo ba pa ang nagpapatakbo ng pamahalaan?’
Nawala ng kamay ng mga kastila at Hapon ang Pilipinas, pero matapos ang marami-raming rebolusyon, kanino napunta ang Pilipinas, sa mga anarchist di ba?
Panahon pa ni Quezon di naman talaga Presidente ang ang nagpapatakbo ng pamahalaan. Ang labas talaga ng mga Presidente puppet lang. At hindi naman sila ang nasusunod. At kapag may tumira sa Palasyo na ang tipo ng pamamahala ay katulad ng isang hari, pinapatalsik na ng mga anarchist at malaki ang papel ng mga CIA sa gawaing iyan.
Sa kaso ni Arryo, dahil hinihimod niya ang mga pwet ng mga iyan, di siya napatalsik, binigyan pa ng tip kung paano mananatili sa pwesto. To them she is a nice and very obedient pet of all time.
Florry:
Balik na naman tayo sa candidacy ni Erap? Na tatakbo na naman uli pero pag kinoup na naman, di na naman lalaban dahil ayaw dumanak ng dugo? Matapang sa giyera sa Mindanao pero di kayang ipaglaban ang pagka pangulo nya? Nuff said. ..
Henry,
Ayaw ni Erap na gayahin ang nangyari tulad ng Mendiola Massacre na pumatay ng marami na nagrarally kaya ipinamigay na lang niya ang pagka president. Kung presidente ka tulad ni Cory noon na walang pagpapahalaga sa buhay ng mahihirap madaling gawin yon isang salita lang sa mga PSG sa Malacanang sunod sila kaagad kaya lang totoong tao siya, kaya hindi niya ginawa. Sa Mindanao ang mga kalaban ay gustong pirasuhin ang Pilipinas at yan ang ayaw niyang mangyari kaya kung dumanak man ang dugo, yon ay para sa bansa at mga Pilipino.
Huwag kang magagalit, magtatanong lang, kasi pagkaalam ko member ka ng PSG ni Cory noon, member ka ba sa firing squad na yon? Nagtatanong lang.
At saka bakit naman parang hindi ka yata kumporme na lumaban si Erap. Di ba malakas si Noynoy at siya ang nangunguna sa survey? Hayaan na lang siya kung payagan ng SC. Total naman kung ayaw na sa kaniya ang mga tao, di hayaan na lang na sa kangkungan siya pulutin. Let democracy works, Ok?
Kung manalo siya at ma-coup uli siya, yon ang iginuhit ng tadhana para sa kaniya. At least siya ang record holder na two times na naging president at two times din na na-couped, dib a mas OK yon?
Isa pa ano naman ang stand ni Noynoy sa nangyayari sa Mindanao at sa ML ni Gloria. Wala pa yata akong naririnig o na miss ko lang.
Hacienda Luisita Massacre = Killing Farmers
“From the very beginning, it appeared that the only response that the powerful Cojuangcos – including former President Corazon Cojuangco-Aquino – had in mind was by military means. Most of the accounts that have been reported about the Nov. 16 massacre have overlooked the fact that the 6,000-hectare hacienda, known in the past as Asia’s largest sugar plantation, has been militarized since the beginning. The military detachment that was put up at the hacienda reportedly carried out harassment operations against union leaders particularly in the thick of the election of union officials. Union officials were accused as “NPA rebels” or “sympathizers” – a demonization campaign that, in the military’s counter-insurgency strategy, is usually the prelude to the summary execution of progressive activists.
Just across the commercial complex that adjoins the hacienda along the MacArthur Highway in Tarlac is the Philippine Army’s Camp Aquino. Camp Aquino, while serving as the headquarters of the Army’s Northern Luzon command, virtually guards the vast hacienda and its units are at the beck and call of the Cojuangcos and other powers-that-be in the region during times of labor unrest or during election.”
http://www.bulatlat.com/main/2004/11/21/the-hacienda-luisita-massacre-landlordism-and-state-terrorism/
The ampatuans are using private armies to kill people
The cojuangcos are using Philippine Army to kill farmers
So, what is the difference between cojuangcos and ampatuans?
Kaya pala type ni henry90 si Noynoytistic dahil PSG sya ni Cory Aquino noon.
Unang-una wala siyang private army tulad ni Ampatuan, kaya wala siyang ilalaban. — Florry
Allow me to butt in please…
Not quite true. Erap had the best private army in the land: PSG complete with SAM, etc.
All he had to do was to give the command. At the time, the PSG were still in his corner. (Kaya nga si Joe Calimlim, then PSG chief umiyak ng mag-give up siya.)
Contrary to popular belief, the PSG is one branch of the AFP that can be counted on to defend the presidency (and by extension, the president) through thick and thin if the president so wishes. The PSG is composed of officers and troops from all branches of the armed services and the police. That is the best “private army” you can have.
Also, as I’ve said in the past, then CG PAF was absolutely against the plot to overthrow Erap and had even challenged Angelo Reyes; he was definitely prepared to galvanise following (even if PAF was the smallest armed service of the AFP) but it was Erap who finally caved in.
As to Erap’s running — to me, that’s his prerogative to run. If he wins, good on him. If he loses, tough.
It would be good to have one major candidate (sana) from the opposition — a united opposition that is, because I fear that with a fragmented opposition and dozens of candidates from all sides of the political spectrum, Gloria’s candidate, Teodoro, will win, or Villar. If one of those two wins, there is a great likelihood that the Philippines will live another execrable life for another 6 years.
(Obviously, I’m not convinced that if Noynoy, Erap, Gordon, etc. wins, the Philippines will experience good governance — am hoping that if an opposition candidate wins, RP stands a chance of less execrable governance than if Gloria’s designated heir wins.)
During the early hour (closed door meeting at dawn by the “board of generals”) leading to that fateful day, CGPAF & FOIC PN (Defensor and Wong respectively both from Class 69) were ready to challenge Angelo… One word from Erap, and I’m pretty sure that PAF & PN would have galvanised some following to defend the presidency.
Matter of fact, CGPAF, in a heated argument with Angie Reyes said, “Why don’t we call for a snap election then?”
Ang nangyari, natakot siya ng i-threaten siya ni Rene de Villa that BGen Espinoza’s brigade who were stationed in Quezon would attack Malacanang and hinting at bloodbath which I agree Erap wanted to avoid. But that was probably avoidable had he not lost his nerve, he had the PSG, he could still have enticed following from certain elements of the Armed Forces up to the last minute. He would have been morally and legally right to do so.
What he failed to do was call the bluff of de Villa, after all the troops that were supposed to attack Malacanang, in case he refused to resign, were only a brigade at most and were still in Quezon.
Hindsight: he could have contacted an Ex-O or even a lower ranking officer at Espinoza’s brigade (through one of his PSG officers who I’m sure would have either a mistah or a colleague) to check out or to perhaps entice that officer (who would certainly have a following) to break away from Espinoza. Another thing, Leo Alvez of Class 66 (former PSG chief to FVR), retired maj general and Abad, both actually retired were actually the ones who were rousing rabble in the military rank and file (outside of the board of generals) — but while they may have had influence, there was no way, they could command the troops — troops wouldn’t have followed Alvez nor Abat without the ok of the commanders in active service. Espinoza was the only one at that time in active service who was prepared “to physically attack” Malacanang.
As I said, Era^p lost his nerve during the most critical moment of his entire life, so, lost the battle without firing a shot and ultimately the war.
Unfortunately, this is a blot on his record that will never be erased. A commander in chief must act with compassion but also must act with conviction and courage at all times to gain the respect of his armies in times of national crisis.
Espinoza was the only one at that time in active service who was prepared “to physically attack” Malacanang. — And engage the PSG.
Florry and Xman:
So what kung dati akong PSG during the Aquino presidency? Does that in any way diminish my knowledge of first hand events during that time? Unlike you, first hand ang pagkakakilala ko sa mga taong pinaglingkuran ko. Kayo? Sa pagbasa lang sa kolum ni Tiyo Pablo ng Tribune? Ni di nyo nga pala alam na WPD at Marines ang humarap sa Mendiola at di PSG. . .basa nga kayo ng ibang reference materials para malaman nyo rin ang tamang datos. . .
Anna:
They wouldn’t know the people u have mentioned from adam. . .isang dyaryo lang kasi binabasa. . . hehe
Henry,
At least, dapat ikompleto ang storya — who knows might help in understanding the whys and wherefores of Erap’s lost war. 🙂
One thing I can say is that in the strictest terms, I hold no personal animosity towards Erap.
My commenting on the why and wherefores of Erap’s lost war is an objective attempt — and a way to clarify issues — to understand why I believe his was ultimately a flawed and failed leadership but truly not meant to kick the man further down.
Pero kay Gloria, galit ako talaga — personal na ang animosity ko sa kanya.
Anna:
The problem with most people is not that they dont know their history but rather on the distortion of facts of history to suit their own selfish agenda. . .issues that have been long settled in the past would suddenly be resurrected and given another twist. While I understand that it’s par for the course during election periods, I can’t help but bemoan the fact that this is being done by supposedly respectable political animals to score propaganda points against their patron’s adversary. My military mind simply can’t fathom politics in our country. Tis the reason I quit. I have no stomach for it.
My military mind simply can’t fathom politics in our country. Tis the reason I quit. I have no stomach for it.
Henry, I understand.
Quitting for a military man because of excrable politics and immoral policies, something inherent in our national political landscape, is understandable, and moreover, is laudable — the only thing to do for an honourable military man given those circumstances; either that or launch a coup d’état.
(The latter obviously should be the last, clearly the last option only when all other democratic options have failed.)
Si Voltz was so tired after his stint that he preferred to “go in exile” as DA in Washington, a position which was not in keeping with his rank — inis na rin siya sa politics; and when he came back, he asked to be assigned to the battlefront, i.e., Mindanao, instead of at GHQ. Ayaw din niya ng militics as much as possible (unfortunately, cannot avoid talaga ang militics).
And when he became CGPA, Voltz was the only major service commander who refused to see dealers and suppliers — with a clear instruction that there should be no private visits, that dealers and suppliers (even foreign) should see G5 instead.
Anna:
That’s why mataas respeto ko kay Gen Gazmin. Even during my stint sa PSG, properly talaga yan. Mahigpit pero conscientious sa welfare ng mga sundalo. . .the quintessential soldier’s soldier indeed. . .inom lang hilig nyan. . .hard. . .kaya panay tago naming mga junior officers noon everytime may happy hour. . .di ka puedeng umalis na di hilo. . .hahaha. . .puro karaoke lang kami noon. . .di tulad nang mga sumunod na grabe kung magpa sponsor. . .lalo na ng panahon ni ASS at Bangit. . . may floor show pa sa malacanang park. . .tsk
.inom lang hilig nyan. . .hard. . 🙂 totoo yan!
Pag may picture taking ayaw niya ng tatlo ang tao lang sa picture — tanong ko sa kanya bakit? Superstition pala niya… 🙂 🙂 🙂
Anne,
“Not quite true. Erap had the best private army in the land: PSG complete with SAM, etc.”
I hope you understand what you are saying. The PSG is not a private army. They are government soldiers assign to protect the prez and unless the prez is careless enough to use for his own selfish interest he can order them to massacre innocent people. That’s precisely Erap avoided, he can not in conscience see people killed and blood flowing in the streets that’s why he sacrificed his presidency. He is not a violent or a mobster type and he should be getting credit for what he has done, giving up the presidency without bloodshed to a determine military led by no less than his COS Reyes who mutinied and withdrew support from him, but instead he is being ridiculed for his action.
Well everybody is entitled to their own opinion.
Henry,
Sagot mo lang naman OO o hindi. Alam ko naman na mga pulis ang nag break sa rally at namaril, kaya lang gusto ko lang naman na malaman ang idea mo.
Believe lang ako sa loyalty mo. Loyal ka kay Cory at nailipat kay Noynoy. Para bang loyal subject ng queen of England. Loyalty sa queen, transferable hanggang doon sa katapusan ng lahi. Siguro puwede ring ilipat iyan kay Kris o kaya si Joshua.
Ako kung may loyalty man ako, hindi ito transferable kahit kanino. Kung sino ang inaakala kong makapaglingkod ng maaayos sa bansa nandoon ako. Yon lang.
Florry,
Of course I understand what I’m saying… Modesty aside, I believe I know more about the PSG than you might think I don’t.
I simply forgot to put the bloody thing in quotation marks in the above commentary if you really want to know but if we are talking of “private armies” (a figure of speech to highlight your referenc to Erap not having an army…, the PSG is the AFP branch that ensures the private and public security of presidents and in that category acts as “private army” to a president while that president is in office (nothing wrong with that at all) and to that extent, the PSG is prepared to engage hostile forces even from the different major armed services, i.e., their colleagues in battle to protect the life of the president even if it means getting killed.
In that context, during Erap’s term, Erap had AN ARMY all to himself, a veritable professional armed entity in the private service of the president; they are armed to the teeth, trained in special forces task (British SAS trained them during Henry’s time too), so Florry, whether you accept it or not, the PSG is better than the Ampatuans’ “army”. They are meaner, and definitely no wonker.
Now, if you feel terribly hurt that I categorise the PSG as the Philippine president’s “private army”, let’s simply call them the president’s dedicated government army, OK?
P E A C E !!!
As to “That’s precisely Erap avoided, he can not in conscience see people killed and blood flowing in the streets that’s why he sacrificed his presidency.”
Good on him… I hope they make him a saint.
Anne,
I don’t know a thing about military, but I don’t subscribe to the idea of pitting Filipino soldiers (PSG)versus Filipino soldiers just to keep your position. If that happens, it’s civil war, it’s bloody and of course nobody would love it. Lalong lubog ang Pilipinas.
That’s where we differ Florry…
A commander in chief has the ultimate duty of ensuring that the Constitution is respected and if he has to send men to battle and be killed, he can and should do it. If he cannot do it, he has no right becoming the commander in chief or to command the armies (plural)!
When the president is physically attacked or the seat of the presidency of attacked by hostile forces with the aim of toppling him and his government (am using govt here in the British sense), the president must defend himself and his government by using the forces at his disposal, military and civilian, because in so doing he is upholding the Constitution.
Obviously, surrender is always an option; he can surrender if he so wishes but as Henry said — and I completely agree with him — he should not expect his officers to fight to the death for him if he surrenders. He must command and if he cannot command, he should just go away.
Why should you, I or anybody else and soldiers for that matter fight for someone who refuses to fight for what is right, morally and legally and instead surrenders? Doesn’t make sense.
Florry:
“Ayaw ni Erap na gayahin ang nangyari tulad ng Mendiola Massacre na pumatay ng marami na nagrarally kaya ipinamigay na lang niya ang pagka president. Kung presidente ka tulad ni Cory noon na walang pagpapahalaga sa buhay ng mahihirap madaling gawin yon isang salita lang sa mga PSG sa Malacanang sunod sila kaagad kaya lang totoong tao siya, kaya hindi niya ginawa.
Huwag kang magagalit, magtatanong lang, kasi pagkaalam ko member ka ng PSG ni Cory noon, member ka ba sa firing squad na yon? Nagtatanong lang.”
“Sagot mo lang naman OO o hindi. Alam ko naman na mga pulis ang nag break sa rally at namaril, kaya lang gusto ko lang naman na malaman ang idea mo.”
Stop contradicting yourself. You want me to answer OO at HINDI only and yet gusto mo rin palang malaman ang idea ko? Pray, how would you know what I think with a yes or no answer? Are u a psychic? Alam mo pala na pulis ang nag break-up ng rally sa Mendiola yet you were asking me if I was in the PSG firing squad that faced them? Which is which? Talk about intellectual dishonesty here. . .tsk
Anne,
I don’t know a thing about military, but I don’t subscribe to the idea of pitting Filipino soldiers (PSG)versus Filipino soldiers just to keep your position. If that happens, it’s civil war, it’s bloody and of course nobody would love it. Lalong lubog ang Pilipinas.- Florry
Where were u in 1987 to 1989 when rebel soldiers were launching coups left and right? If Cory did not fight fire with fire the rebels led by Honasan, who do u think are running this country til now?
Henry,
I said I dont’s subscribe to the idea…… Understand what I mean?
That’s my PERSONAL belief and idea and you can’t do anything about it. I don’t care about Honasan blah blah….
Within two hours of the decision to withdraw, the Armed Forces all over the country were electrified and galvanized behind the chain of command. With the battle orders issued, Reyes, together with Alvez and his staff, drove to the Corinthian safe house for the rendezvous with Macapagal-Arroyo.* (p. 204)
REYES MADE THE DECISION to withdraw at 10:30 a.m. on Friday, after a meeting with his staff. He informed the vice-president of the decision… at 11:45 a.m. Reyes called the board of generals – composed of the three major services commanders, the vice-chief of staff and the deputy chief-of-staff – to the safe house to inform them of his decision…
… After securing the support of everyone inside the staff room, Reyes said (“In jest,” according to him): “Gentlemen, I’m sure you know that we’ve just committed mutiny* **.” His staff said, “Yes, sir.” (page 171)
…After securing the support of the board of generals, Reyes invited the vice-president to join them at the dining room. There he introduced her to the generals as their new commander-in-chief *…. (p. 173)
In a demonstration of the solidarity of the military chain of command,* Reyes brought with him to EDSA Defense Secretary Orlando Mercado; Lt. Gen. Diomedio Villanueva, the Army commander; Lt. Gen. Benjamin Defensor, the Air Force commander; Rear Admiral Guillermo Wong, the Navy commander; and Lt. Gen. Jaime de los Santos, the deputy chief of staff. …The vice-chief of staff, Lt. Gen. Jose Calimlim, was a late defector… (page 168-169)
http://www.sundalo.bravehost.com/Withdrawal%20of%20Support%20of%20Gen.%20Angelo%20Reyes.htm
Then Defense chief Angelo Reyes was the final defection. (We have testimony, which we can identify in time, that instructions from US Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld “turned” Reyes.)
Reyes brought all the other generals to the Edsa treason-rally in an air-conditioned van to ensure that there was no counter-defection to the constitutional order from the military defectors.
http://hermantiulaurel.blogspot.com/
… Reyes announced his decision and asked them if they were with him. He started with General Villanueva, the Army Commander, who headed the most powerful command in the Armed Forces. Reyes himself had been Army commander. A source said Reyes started with Villanueva because he knew he had Villanueva’s support, having spoken with him before – “kasi alam nya na…. Nakapag-usap na sila.” Sure enough, Villanueva openly supported Reyes’ decision.
Next, Reyes turned to Admiral Wong to ask if he was with him: “Ikaw, kasama ka ba?” The admiral hesitated, but later said “yes.” A senior officer in the Navy had another version. According to him, Reyes, after noting Wong’s hesitation, told the Navy chief, “That is my decision.”
Apparently robbed of the initiative,* according to witnesses, the other generals, when asked themselves, just went along. “Tuloy, tuloy na. Naunahan na sila ni Angie,”* the witnesses said.
http://www.sundalo.bravehost.com/Withdrawal%20of%20Support%20of%20Gen.%20Angelo%20Reyes.htm
Abadia joined the camp of Vice President Macapagal-Arroyo in October, and found General de Villa there. Abadia resumed contact with the Army commander, General Villanueva, an ally of General Reyes…* He also told Villanueva he would be talking with some of his generals and unit commanders, a move Villanueva did not block.* (p. 191)
http://www.sundalo.bravehost.com/Withdrawal%20of%20Support%20of%20Gen.%20Angelo%20Reyes.htm
Before the headcount, Reyes had seen to it that he had the support of the units in the field under the command of the service chiefs,* inside sources said. If they had not fallen in line, said the sources, “they would have been generals without an army. We already talked to their men…not to make a move.”*
http://www.sundalo.bravehost.com/Withdrawal%20of%20Support%20of%20Gen.%20Angelo%20Reyes.htm
Missing was something terribly important: the heated argument between PAF commander Defensor and Reyes. (That’s why Gloria never quite trusted Benjie Defensor from then on… but that is another story.)
Also, during fiesta at Edsa, one thing that media mistook for as support for the uprising was the aircraft that was hovering over Edsa. Actually that aircraft was hovering over the fiesta NOT IN SUPPORT OF THE UPRISING but waiting for Defensor’s command against hostile forces to the sitting president, eg., Espinoza’s brigade.
In other words, up to the last minute, Defensor was prepared to challenge Reyes. But there was no word from the commander in chief… That is the reason why Defensor was THE LAST ONE of the major service commanders to climb the stage at Edsa. He did because the die was cast!
Civil Society was ecstatic about that aircraft — they didn’t know that it was not meant to support their uprising.
As to Navy, there were officers in the navy, captain rank and below who were awaiting word from their commander (Wong) but up till then were not prepared to mutiny — in other words, then N3 himself was opposed to anything that would be mutiny and would be prepared to fight in defence of the president (Erap).
Erap lost his nerve, he believed what he was told by retired generals — he still had elements in the armed forces who would have stood by him. But he was demoralised when his bosom friend, Reyes turned against him. He wrongly assessed that Reyes was the be-all of the armed forces. WRONG!
Erap lost his nerve, he believed what he was told by retired generals — but what he wrongly took for granted was that he still had elements in the armed forces who would have stood by him.
As to retired generals, he also had a group of retired generals on his side led no less than by former CSAFP Gen J Nazareno, combat Mindanao veteran (whose contempt for Angie Reyes even before Reyes took over as CSAFP was quite well known in military circles.)
Angie Reyes is not the most admired fellow in his class (66). Most of his mistahs don’t like him for his arrogance and his virtually inexistent combat record; they used to make fun of him behind his back calling him Mr Tripple A (Because Reyes likes to boast of having received three As during his AIM course.)
The events, as seen through the eyes of foreign correspondents, are vividly recounted in the following excerpts from the Far Eastern Economic Review and Time Magazine quoted in the Memorandum of petitioner in G.R. Nos. 146710-15, thus:
1. The decision immediately sent hundreds of Filipinos out into the streets, triggering rallies that swelled into a massive four-day demonstration. But while anger was apparent among the middle classes, Estrada, a master of the common touch, still retained largely passive support among the poorest Filipinos. Citing that mandate and exploiting the letter of the Constitution, which stipulates that a written resignation be presented, he refused to step down even after all of the armed forced, the police and most of his cabinet withdrew their support for him. [FAR EASTERN ECONOMIC REVIEW, “More Power to The Powerful”, id, at p. 18].
2. When an entire night passed without Estrada’s resignation, tens of thousands of frustrated protesters marched on Malacañang to demand that the president leave office. An air force fighter jet and four military helicopters BUZZED THE PALACE (not hovering on FIESTA OR EDSA) TO REMIND THE PRESIDENT THAT HAD LOST REIN OF POWER. [FAR EASTERN ECONOMIC REVIEW, supra, ibid].
http://www.lawphil.net/judjuris/juri2001/mar2001/gr_146710_2001.html
Maybe it’s because I didn’t have a military training or not having a military mindset, that is always ready to kill and be killed for a cause that’s why I can hardly understand how the military works. Unfortunately or fortunately my training is about figures and numbers, a number cruncher and with this goes a philosophy that I always put into practice, conservatism, that it is always better to err on the side of caution or in the positive side of a situation.
In 2001, the top man of defense Mercado, COS Reyes and Top cop Lacson witdrew support from Erap. Who could have been the officer Erap have to deal with? Maybe nobody because the moment these trio of traitors withdrew their support, not only the communication lines was cut off but the chain of command was broken. Erap can not afford to speculate about the loyalty of other officers and soldiers and he was right to think that the full force of the military were at the beck and call of Reyes and Mercado, otherwise they were not that confident to announce their withdrawal. Thinking maybe that the fight was against the full force of AFP, PAF, Marines, Navy and the Police, not to mention Cardinal Sin and Cory and the people; Erap opted to err on the side of caution by leaving Malacanang to avoid bloodshed and a violent confrontation between Filipino soldiers on one hand and between people on the other.
That’s not cowardice but wisdom and courage. Bravery doesn’t always mean to fight, to kill and get killed. Bravery is when you know how to accept and conduct yourself gracefully in humiliation, loss and defeat.
Some speculations were rife that he still have the support of other officers, but even if verified to be true, it will be still a confrontation, a war and those were the things that he wanted to avoid at any cost even his presidency.
That’s the problem kung mahina ang ulo ng isang presidente. Di alam ang nangyayari sa palibot nya. Isang taon na siyang pinagplanuhan na pabagsakin, wala man lang siyang kaalam-alam. What is our assurance na di na mangyari uli yun kung sakaling manalo uli siya? Swerte ng VP pag nagkataon. Walang kahirap-hirap. . . .
Henry, bakit malakas ba ang kutob mong mananalo si Erap?
Si Erap masyado lang tiwala sa mga tao at sumusunod sa batas kaya ang akala niya lahat ng tao katulad niya na marunong sumunod sa constitution.
Sa tanong mo na assurance ito ang sagot diyan: patay na si Cardinal Sin at patay na rin si Cory, kaya wala ng magplaplano na mag-violate pa uli ng constitution at kontrahin ang kagustuhan ng nakakaraming Pilipino.
Maituturing mong icon ng democracy pero violator naman ng constitution at human right at hindi marunong maaawa sa mga manggagawa sa HL, at ngayon wala na silang dalawa ni Cardinal Sin sigurado na matatapos na rin ni Erap ang term niya. Wala ng magsusulsol sa mga tao at mga sundalo.
Inuulit ko lang saiyo na si Erap ayaw magkaroon ng record na massacre, totoong makatao at ayaw niyang matulad kay Cory na dalawang massacre ang nasa record niya.
Mali. . .Di si Cory at Sin ang nagplano na icoup si Erapsky. . .read again. . .they just called on him to resign when he was impeached by Congress and all those scandals started to come out already. . . was Cory charged of anything? Her critics always harped on massacres, etc but on record, what charges were filed against her? Nada. . .
Florry,
In 2001, the top man of defense Mercado, COS Reyes and Top cop Lacson witdrew support from Erap. Who could have been the officer Erap have to deal with?
Firstly, there are wars or armed conflicts that are unjust and there are wars or armed conflicts that are required because the purpose is just, and a conflict that arises out of defence of what is morally and legally right is never reprehensible (unless of course, one wants to be cannonised), and most of all, because sometimes it is the only way to defend your people from evil aggressors and illegal usurpers.
Secondly, those officials you mentionned were, if you like, the administrators of a huge defence and police machinery but in fact, the president as commander in chief doesn’t even need them to command the troops. The lines of comms were not realistically broken even if for the sake of argument, these officials had resigned. He could have appointed a junior officer if he wanted to, eg., a captain, a major, and of course, a lt colonel, a colonel to replace them ON THE SPOT and given these appointees the command to put order in the rank and file.
Thirdly, he had the PSG. Elements of the PSG, as I said, were still on his side. Hence, all was not lost.
Don’t get me wrong. I understand your defence of Estrada’s purpose, believing that his relinquishing the presidency was a “noble” decision — perhaps so. Was that the right thing to do? Would there have been bloodshed had he decided to stay the course and defended what was supposed to be a morally and legally just course of action? Would he have succeeded if he had rallied his remaining loyal troops? Perhaps not, perhaps yes… we can only speculate on what might have been and what might have not been.
But what we should all acknowledge, and this is the point of my comments, is that a commander in chief must be capable, have the ability, the courage, to rally his forces, give command to his troops — no matter the number, decide to take action in defence of what is Constitutionaly just, defend the presidency, fight for his people, do everything in his power in order to prevent the fall of the govt and the Republic. At the very very very least to give it a try!
Unfortunately, what Henry said about the man simply not having a clue as to what was going on around him tells a lot about the man and why he failed. Never mind… it’s no longer here nor there.
You yourself are a living witness to the havoc that was created because he offered no resistance to the aggressors and the usurpers of his legitimate mandate. It was as if he purposely had allowed it to happen so ultimately, he could be delcared as guilty as the usurpers!!! What we also know is that he did not even give it a try and because he didn’t, we will never ever know if Gloria could have been prevented from becoming the nation’s ‘president’ today.
All we know is that today’s confused, damaged, incredibly dirty political landscape is a living testimony to what happens when a duly elected president who is supposed to uphold the Constition prefers to purposely back out of his responsibility as the nation’s commander in chief.
And paradoxically, if you notice, there’s bloodshed all over the place virtually at every level of society, where you insisted that the purpose of Erap’s giving up his presidency without a fight is to avoid bloodshed.
All this to say that because he did not act the part, I don’t believe he has a right to be commander in chief again.
Question today therefore must be: Should Erap be commander in chief again?
Anna:
He doesn’t have a clue. . . Don’t even think if he was ever in a firefight himself. . .maybe only in the movies. . .hehe
Henry,
Ganoon ba?
A commander in chief, even if he’s a civilian must be able to think and lead like military chief… Otherwise, he mustn’t be given the rome of commander in chief of the armies…
The general who wins a battle makes many calculations in his temple where the battle is fought. The general who loses a battle makes but few calculations beforehand. Thus do many calculations lead to victory, and few calculations to defeat: how much more no calculation at all! It is by attention to this point that I can foresee who is likely to win or lose. — Sun Tzu, The Art of War
the role…
Henry and Anna, (hope you don’t mind)
You made your point and I made mine. You cant’s see what I see and I can’t see what you see. Military trained point of view seems to be irreconcilable with a civilian point of view. So I rest my case.
Anyway if Erap wins, whether he is qualified or not, whether he has the right or not, whether we like it or not, he will be the commander in chief again and we can’t do anything about it.
Medals are won thru errors and gambling. or contradictions of the norms. or in short – accidents or incompetence. Men become heroes by accident. most die. Commanders-in-chief or presidents gamble. They gamble whether our soldiers are competent at all.