by Tina Santos
Philippine Daily Inquirer
Former Senior Supt. Cezar Mancao II Thursday testified at the Manila Regional Trial Court that he was offered financial support and relocation abroad by an official of the Arroyo administration in exchange for fabricated statements against Sen. Panfilo Lacson in connection with the Dacer-Corbito double murder case.
Mancao made the claim during the same hearing where Judge Myra Garcia Fernandez affirmed a Supreme Court decision dated Oct. 5, 2005, ordering the dropping of former Supt. Glenn Dumlao—also an ex-member of the now-defunct Presidential Anti-Organized Crime Task Force (PAOCTF)—from the list of accused in the case in order to become a witness.
As has been the practice in Judge Fernandez’s court, journalists were barred from covering the hearing on her orders.
Mancao made the statement in response to a question posed by the defense panel during cross-examination at the hearing of the case involving the 2000 abduction and murder of publicist Salvador “Bubby” Dacer and his driver Emmanuel Corbito.
Offer rejected
“He admitted in court that sometime in September 2007, while he was still in the United States, he received a call from a man who identified himself as General Prestoza, who was then the Presidential Security Group commander,” said Mancao’s lawyer Ferdinand Topacio.
“He said the caller offered him and his family financial support, relocation in Singapore and education support for his children in exchange for false statements against Senator Lacson,” Topacio said.
“But he refused those offers,” Topacio quickly said, adding that the offer had nothing to do with Mancao’s February 2009 affidavit where he named ranking government officials, including Lacson, as among those behind Operation Delta, the purported plan to neutralize Dacer.
‘No exchange’
Mancao was also asked during cross-examination whether he entered into a deal with the government in connection with the affidavit.
“He said there was none—well, maybe except for the food and the protection he now gets, being under the Department of Justice’s Witness Protection Program. Other than that, wala na (nothing). He stood firm on his claim that he executed his affidavit on his own initiative, voluntarily, with no exchange,” Topacio said.
Mancao also reiterated in court that he had heard Lacson ordering former Senior Supt. Michael Ray Aquino to implement Oplan Bero and Oplan Delta at the same time.
General’s reaction
“‘Pagsabayin mo na’ (Do it at the same time) was what Lacson told Aquino while they were inside a vehicle on the way to a restaurant in San Juan, according to Colonel Mancao,” Topacio added.
Reached by phone Thursday night, Maj. Gen. Romeo Prestoza said he would like to first “see and hear” Mancao’s testimony before issuing a comment.
“I have no idea what he is talking about, so I would like to see a copy of his testimony before saying anything,” Prestoza said.
In March, Lacson claimed that Mancao told him as far back as January 2008 that he would recant whatever statements he would make against the senator.
Lacson also quoted Mancao as saying that Prestoza had offered to reinstate him into the police force or resettle his family in Singapore in exchange for implicating Lacson in the Dacer-Corbito murders.
The senator claimed that Mancao had said he would not give in.
‘Ordinary witness’
In the middle of the hearing that lasted for almost three hours, Dumlao was escorted out of the courtroom by heavily armed members of the National Bureau of Investigation.
According to his lawyers Cesar Brillantes, Rogelio Agoot and Morel Callueng, Dumlao was ordered released in recognition of a Supreme Court decision dropping him from the list of the accused.
“He will now become an ordinary witness,” Callueng said of Dumlao.
Added Agoot: “He has committed himself to testify against people he believes were behind the killing of Dacer and Corbito.”
Judge Fernandez ruled that Dumlao was “expressly excluded from the amended information dated Sept. 17, 2001, which has been declared valid by the Supreme Court.”
“Consequently, the amended information dated May 15, 2006, is ordered withdrawn,” she said.
In upholding the dropping of Dumlao from the list of the accused, the Supreme Court said that while court rules did not allow law enforcement officials from becoming state witnesses, these did not prevent prosecutors from excluding him from the charge sheet.
“Admission to the WPP (Witness Protection Program) and being discharged as an accused are two different things. Dumlao’s being a law enforcement officer and, thus, disqualified to be under the WPP, does not in any way prohibit him to be discharged from the information,” the tribunal ruled.
Asked to describe his feelings, Dumlao said he was “very happy” and “relieved.”
Mancao also expressed happiness for his former colleague, as well as relief that the latter would be able to “corroborate” his testimony.
The burden he’s carrying
Lacson said he watched and was touched by the TV interview on Wednesday of Dumlao, his former police aide who claimed that deposed President Joseph Estrada was behind the Dacer-Corbito murders.
“If that’s a preview of what he intends to say in his affidavit or his testimony, then I welcome it, personally,” the senator told reporters.
Lacson said he “felt bad” for Estrada and “all those who may be indicted or affected by the revelation of Superintendent Dumlao.”
“My heart also goes out to [him] because I could see the burden he was carrying. He was crying when he was being interviewed, and it’s very obvious he wanted to unload whatever he was carrying inside,” Lacson said.
Scripted, says Erap
The senator scoffed at Estrada’s claim that the Dumlao interview with ABS-CBN was part of a script.
He said he had not even spoken to Dumlao, who was extradited from the United States a few months ago, and that he met with Dumlao and his other former police aides only once in 2004 in the United States.
The senator also said Estrada might have made the comment because the latter’s “mind-set” was always on the movies.
“Dumlao is not even an actor; how can he follow the script?” Lacson said.
Asked if he agreed with Dumlao’s claim that it was Estrada who was behind Operation Delta, Mancao said: We share the same sentiments… I’m just telling the truth.”
Gov’t’s special project
Alex Avisado, lawyer of the other accused and legal spokesperson of Lacson, said the defense was happy with the way things were going.
“We’re happy that the prosecution witnesses, little by little, are confirming what we have been saying all along—that this case is a special project of the government,” Avisado said. With reports from Christine O. Avendaño, Jocelyn R. Uy and Inquirer Research
Tama si Tongue when he pointed out na ito ang dahilan ng ginawa ni Lacson laban kay Erap, ang kaso ni Dacer-Corbito. Still, I don’t get it. Nagbo-volunteer na siyang maging star witness para makalusot siya? Is that it?
Masyadong halata ang ginawa ni Lacson na paglaglag kay Erap ay para makalusot sa kaso ng Dacer-Corbito murder case. Ang unang tinuro ni Mancao at Dumlao si Lacson, ngayon pumihit na, biglang naging si Erap na!
Isa lang ang rason, ayaw ng elitista at media ang posibilidad na manalo ulit si Erap! Kaya ito ang ginagawa, tulad din noong 2001, isang sabwatan upang masiraan ang Pangulo na mahal ng Masa!
Si Lacson ay nagpagamit sa administrasyong Arroyo! Ako ngayon ay naniniwala na may usapan na ito.
Traydor si Lacson at hindi bayani.
Bakit hindi imbestigahan ang ambush kay Gen. Sombero, ang heneral na magpapatibay na si Ping ang nasa likuran ng Dacer murder case noong sabado bago mag privilege speech ang bagong heroine na si Lacson?
Why do Erap’s defenders keep on saying that because of Lacson’s expose, there’s a lacson-Arroyo connivance?
Gloria Arroyo is not benefitting from what is coming out in the Lacson-Estrada feud. Noynoy Aquino is benefitting. So are the other opposition candidates because Estrada has been “destroyed”.
Estrada’s chances in the 2010 elections has now been been smashed to pieces. And who benefits? Not Gloria or Teodoro? It’s Noynoy, Chiz and Villar.
There was a report that Makati mayor Jejomar Binay is brokering unity talks between Estrada and Noynoy Aquino.
Ngayon pa na sira na siya. I mean Estrada.
Estrada has now become a liability. I hope Noynoy does not welcome him to his camp. Kay Villar na lang siya. Yun naman talaga ang in the works. Villar-Estrada team.
Gabriela,
Sino ang sira? Si Estrada? Hindi kaya ang mga yellow army ang kasama sa pagsira sa kanya and in the process napagtatakpan ang kalokohan ni Gloria? Si Lacson ay traydor na mula 2004, siya ang spoiler kaya nakapandaya si Gloria. Ngayon ay eto nanaman siya.Kung paniniwalaan ang media na pag-aari ng mga elitista at inggit kay Erap, talagang sira na siya.
Pero sa masa, hindi matitinag ang pagmamahal ng tunay na Pangulo sa Masa.
This reminds me of the star-witness in the Manson murder case of Tate, et al. She volunteered to be a star witness and was not prosecuted even when she was in fact an accomplice even when she did not participate in the actual killing as she claimed. Manson did not participate directly in the killing, too, but he was the mastermind gaya ng sinasabi ni Lacson na ginawa ni Erap.
Gloria is benefitting from all this fiasco or she and her minions will not use this against Erap and even against Lacson if he turns out to be not useful to them, if this is not beneficial to her vested and other interests. Ganyan ang takbo ng utak ng mga kriminal sa totoo lang.
I should know. Ang dami ko nang na-meet na mga kriminal sa trabaho ko.
Still, I can’t see why Erap would kill Dacer and his driver. Ano ba ang magagawang palpak ni Dacer sa kaniya. Sorry, di ko kasi pina-follow up ang kasong ito dahil trivial sa tingin ko noon.
Grizzy: “Sorry, di ko kasi pina-follow up ang kasong ito dahil trivial sa tingin ko noon.”
Mabuti naman Grizzy, inamin mo that you are not following this case. So maybe it’s good, if you don’t make conclusions because obviously you don’t know the facts.
Sa isang banda, with all these men now crying foul against Erap and even Lacson, mawawalan nga ng tiwala ang mga pilipino sa mga tinatawag nilang “men in uniform.” Di ba mga pulis at sundalo ang mga iyan. Daig pa nila iyong mga kriminal na dapat na hinuhuli nila. Nakakasuka naman!
No wonder pag nakakahuli dito ng mga pilipino, isip nila makakalusot sila kung magsisinungaling sila kahit bulgar na bulgar na ang ginawa nila. May nagsasasbi pang na-frame up lang sila. Kaya ang palaging sinasabi ko sa kanila, “Hindi kapareho ng mga pulis sa Pilipinas ang mga pulis na hapon. Majority, marangal at trabaho lang.” Paki-alam ba ng mga pulis dito sa mga personal life nila.
Meron pa ngang isang nahuli sa Narita na nagdala ng isang katutak na marijuana (banig-banig) at shabu na nakalagay pa sa bituka niya. Sabi ng mokong, ni-frame up daw siya ng mga pulis. Worse talaga iyong denial niyang sa bituka niya nakuha iyong isang supot ng shabu na pataehin siya ng pulis. Nilagay daw ng pulis iyong sa tae niya. Di niya alam na na-detect sa tiyan niya iyong gamot nang dumaan siya sa camera.
Ganoon katindi. Akala niya kasi makakalusot siya. Sabi pa ng kolokoy pulis daw siya sa Pilipinas. Siguro ganoon ang ginagawa nila sa mga nahuhuli nila lalo na doon sa mga walang kasalanan na pini-frame up nila!
Papaano ako makakagawa ng conclusion di ko nga alam, Gabriela. Kaya nga nagtatanong dahil malabo ang istorya. Mahirap kasing magdunung-dunungan ng walang alam.
Besides, di ko pinansin ang kasong ito, Gabriela, dahil obvious na obvious naman ang motibo at kung sino ang gumawa. May mas malaki pa kasing issue noon, ang pagluklok ng magnanakaw ng puwesto!
Now, that this is in the open, di makisawsaw! Hindi naman masama dahil kung ikaw nga nakikisawsaw din.
In fact, na-meet ko nang minsan si Bubby Dacer na sabi niya pirmi daw puti ang suot niya. Nang makita ko ang pangalan niya nang lumabas ang balita ng pagkawala niya, his name rang a bell. Nahanap ko iyong calling card at libro na binigay niya sa akin. Nakasulat sa calling card niya, “Chairman and Editor” siya ng ASPAC News.
Nagpapatulong siya sa akin noon pero sabi ko busy ako. Mabait naman iyong mama at talagang gentleman ang dating kahit na may nagsabi sa akin dito na wala siyang kuwentang tao.
Siguro nga wala siyang kuwentang tao pero kailangan ba siyang ipapatay para lang huwag matanggal ang isang kurakot at makaupo naman ang isa ring kurakot? Masama bang magtanong?
Hindi ako nagkokomentong gaano sa komplikadong kasong ito dahil hindi ko alam ang puno (wala na ako sa Pinas nun at wala ring blog na ganito kay Ellen). Kung baga ay estudyante pa ako kaya welcome na welcome ko ang sabong ni Ping at Erap at lahat ng comments ng mga sumusubaybay sa kaso mula ng ito ay mangyari.
Kuwag naman sanang magaya ito sa kaso ni Ninoy na tuluyan ng hindi na-unmasked ang mastermind and killers. Kahit na si Dacer ay hindi kagandahan ang image ay murder pa rin yan, kasama pa ang walang malay na driver. Dapat lumabas ang totoo base sa mga unrefutable evidences.
Demolition job ang ginawa ni Lacson definitely kay Erap para di siya tumakbo kahit na alam naman ng lahat, pati na ni Lacson, na imposibleng makatakbo si Erap with his conviction. Gaga ba si Gloria na sabihan ang mga appointees niya sa SC na payagang tumakbo si Erap with his conviction na pinardon niya? Of course not!
Pero malinaw na na-aalarma sila na tatakbo ang mokong gawa na mga fanatic na tagahanga niya dahil sa performance ni Erap noong 1998 election. Mahihirapan sila kasing dayain ang botong para sa kaniya.
Natakot din no doubt si Lacson na siya lang ang masabit sa kasong ito ni Dacer-Corbito. Kaya nagboboluntaryo na siya na maging star-witness kahit di niya sabihin ng diretso iyon. Pero iyong sasabihin na walang benefit ito doon sa magnanakaw ng puwesto, iyan ay isang kagaguhan dahil ang talagang nakikinabang sa demolition job na ito ay walang iba kundi si Gloria Kulimbat, and definitely, iyong may perang manok niya!
Sa isang banda, kawawa iyong mga biktima nilang humihingi ng katarungan sa kahayupang ginawa sa kanila. Sumalangit nawa ang kanilang mga kaluluwa!
Is Mancao now saying Lacson did not take part in the twin murder, and it was only Erap who masterminded it? Ang gulo ah?!
I agree with the argument that Lacson’s revelation about who Erap really is, does not benefit the Swiney Couple whatsoever.
So why are we saying that Lacson is a traitor?
A traitor to whom?
To Erap? Or, to the people?
The people will always benefit from the truth. Certainly, Lacson has been consistent with all his actions, i.e. exposing corruptions. Can’t we just admit that we , too, are corrupt?
Lacson is serving the people well. We should have realized that a long time ago.
It’s pathetic though when we fail to understand the true opposition from the Stupid One.
Blind worship is always bad.
So, Noynoy, give us some idea why you are running… Is it for instituting Useful Reforms? Or, you are just following the holy instructions from your Jesuit Overlord?
We are watching…
… your hair…
and your… Shalani.
Ha! ha! ha! We should make sure that we don’t lose our sense of humor. It’s important in situations like this.
Sumppit,
Nice one! I used to look at Lacson as a no-nonsense police officer who will never back down. But if you look closer in the recent events, it seems that he didn’t know what to do with the Dacer-Corbito Case. At first, Mancao and Dumlao said it was Ping, now its Erap!
We can accuse everything about Erap but I do not think he can be accused of murder. Masyado nga pusong mamon ika nga ni Ellen kaya isya pinagkakaisahan eh!
Lacson’s back was against the wall, that is why naghanap na lang ng damay. Ngayon, just like the crook Chavit, hero pa siya in the eyes of the civil society.
Horay!!!
Indeed.
We must, in the meantime, hold on to Humor… while the Politicians are losing their Senses.
Have we gone so low today that merely saying the Truth is already heroic?
Isn’t that honest service must we expect from our Public Servants?
Or are we the Servants worshiping them as our Masters?
SumpPit,
Oh yeah? What about the circumstances surrounding the supposed expose? Wasn’ t Lacson’s back is on the wall that is why he started destroying his boss?
Nandamay siya dahil wala siyang lusot, ngayon hero pa siya. Galing diba?’
Why don’t you look at it objectively too.
magulo pa ang script…sabi ni Mancao alam ni Lacson ang Op Delta at may Op bora pa. Sabi ni Lacson di niya raw alam ang Op Delta.
More than looking at it objectively, we must not confine our five senses on the Puppets alone but try sifting through “wilderness of mirrors”.
The way I see it, everybody is trying to pin Lacson down to high crimes when they sensed his uncompromising stand against anything unlawful.
There is a small group of people who are opposed to the Rule of Law. Men like Bayani Fernando, Dick Gordon, Ping Lacson, can never make it to the top unless they enter into some form of compromise with this Fraternity.
So, Andres, don’t worry about me. I not only judged people by their actions, I also look at why such actions were committed.
Estrada’s chances in the 2010 elections has now been been smashed to pieces. And who benefits? Not Gloria or Teodoro? It’s Noynoy, Chiz and Villar?
Yon ang akala nýo Al? Ang bilis nýong makalimot…ang lahat ata ng taeng kalabaw e ibinato na kay citizen Erap at ipinakulong pa nila ng 6-years, WA EPEK di ba?
Ang ginawa nila sa pobre ang naging daan upang maging Senadora si Loi at ngayon Senate Pro-Tempore pa si Jinggoy?
Ito ang magandang senaryo ngayon…the more na winawasak nila ang pobre, matutuluyan yang tumakbo sa 2010 at ngayon palang nangangalog na ang tuhod at tumbong ng mga traydor at singunaling na nagpabagsak sa kanyang administrasyon.
Di nga na tinag ng 6-years na imprisonment e ngayon pa na recycled issues at sirang plaka na pag doremi ni Pingpong La?son ang pinagpipyestahan ng mga anti-Erap? How about pro-Erap…alam nýo ba ang kanilang damdamin…HINDI?
Ang Masang Pilipino except yong remnant ng EDSA DOS at Hellow-garci wanabees ang magpapasya sa 2010 sapagka’t sila ang majority voters.
Sundan natin ang susunod na kabanata?
With regards to the twin murder, we really don’t know yet who really did it. We weren’t there when it happened, were we? It’s all speculations and until the court would finally convicted someone, we are all in a guessing game. Anyone is still a suspect.
By the way, Erap may be pusong mamon (especially to girls), but that doesn’t mean he didn’t or can’t do it. Especially when billions of pesos and his presidency are at stake then. There is a motive for Erap to silcence Dacer.
Lacson on the other hand, we can’t deny that he is capable of doing such, less we forget that he used to be a member of the notorious MISG under Col. Abadilla during the martial law years. The only lacking here for Mr. Lacson is the motive. Does he have one?
Here is a good read:
Dark Legacy: Human rights under the Marcos regime
By Alfred McCoy, 20 September 1999
II. TORTURE & TRAUMA:
http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/54a/062.html
continued from my no. 25 post…
“a.) Then Lieutenant, now General, Panfilo Lacson, for example, joined the MISG right after graduation and spent the next 15 years in this elite torture unit, rising to deputy command under his mentor Colonel Abadilla.
f.) What was the impact of torture upon the young officers?
1.) When torture becomes duty and officers spend years in a daily routine of terror, the experience becomes central to their socialization.
2.) Such experiences broke down their socialization into subordination, transforming them from servants of the state into its would-be masters.”
http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/54a/062.html
Nakakatakot pabalikin si Erap sa kapangyarihan, huwag nating kakalimutan na isa siyang magaling na artista. He can deny a guilt and still look straight in your eyes, with matching innocent look. Kaya nga nanalo sa Famas dati si Erap, magaling na artista.
Nakakatakot din na bigyan ng kapangyarihan si Lacson. A friend’s experience during martial law years where a family member was tortured to death under MISG is scary.
I don’t trust these to men. Sorry.
TYPO: “I don’t trust these two men. Sorry.”
Pero malinaw na na-aalarma sila na tatakbo ang mokong gawa na mga fanatic na tagahanga niya dahil sa performance ni Erap noong 1998 election?
Well, mga Igan…ang buhay ay parang showbiz yan, may kanya-kanya diehard supporters at symphatizers yan? Huwag kayong maging bago ng bago sa ganitong kalakaran ng buhay.
Ang kailangan natin ay acceptance upang mapanuto tayo sa buhay at kung panghihimasukan natin ang diskarte ng ibang tao e baka pagalitan pa tayo.
Ang importante e siyang mahalaga sa ating buhay, “IGALANG NATIN ANG KARAPATAN ng ATING MGA KAPWA-PINOY”? Huwag tayong mang-aapak at di ba laging bukang-bibig ng Pinoy either nasa Pinas or nasa abroad, “Ang pagiging TALANGKA mentality ng marami sa Kapinuyan na kung mayroon kang magandang adhikain o pinalad kang umunlad sa buhay e HAHATAKIN KA PABABA at ibabagsak ka at pagkatapos e pagtatawanan at lilibakin pa”?
Ito ang tunay na realidad na nakikita natin sa mga kinauukulang kapwa-Pinoy? Kaya Pinas sa halip na umunlad e hahatakin pababa pero ang mga traydor at sinungaling e patuloy na nagsisiyaman sa pera ng bayan?
Wala kayong dadalhin kahit na isang singkong duling sa langit baka sa impyierno e kasama nýo ang inyong mga kinulimbat sa kabang-yaman ng bansa.
As far as the True Erap is concern, we don’t have first hand information to that effect. All our exchanges here are just based on what we thought Erap is.
Ergo, it would have been better if:
1. when Lacson delivered his privilege speech no.1, Jinggoy should have interpellated him, so that we, the public, may be educated, but he didn’t;
2. when Jinggoy delivered his counter-privilege speech no.1, he should have allowed Lacson to interpellate him, but then again, he didn’t…
So whose hiding what?
It seems,Jinggoy, doesn’t even know the first time Erap and Ping met – when the former arrested the latter for mauling the late actor Rudy Fernandez in the 70’s.
And most import of all, is the fact that it was Lacson who ,of all people, helped Erap build that image of an “uncompromising CrimeBuster” which also paved the way for his presidency.
So who owes something from someone?
Mancao already testified that he was offered financial support and relocation abroad by an official of the arroyo adminstration in exchange for fabricated statements against lacson in dacer-corbito double murder case. How do gloria and her minions benefit from this incriminating testimony ? Hindi ba klaro that an official of the arroyo adminstration ( gen. prestoza)was the alleged offeror in exchange of fabricated story? Di ba very incriminating against gloria?
Tingin ko nga silang dalawa ang may pakana niyan eh (twin murders). Nagngusuan lang sabi nga ni TongueTwisted sa ibang thread. Ang basa ko si Erap ang utak, si Lacson ang nautusan. But that’s only my opinion.
Ang pinagtataka ko lang eh bakit in earlier interviews, sinabi nung isang anak ni Dacer, na binalaan daw siya ng kanyang ama na kung mayroon daw mangyayaring di maganda sa kanya, si Lacson daw ang may gawa nun at magingat daw sa kanya. I don’t know how true or baka na mis-quoted nanaman, pero yan ang nabasa ko nuon.
@Sumpit: “So who owes something from someone?”
Dalawang dating magkasangga na nagtrayduran, just to save their own skin.
TYPO: “I don’t trust these two men. Sorry.”
Well, Mike…dito mo makikita ang maginoong Pinoy, 100% iginagalang namin ang iyong disposisyong sa buhay at kung saan ka maligaya e maligaya na din kami sapagka’t dito ka naninindigan sa buhay.
But, ang tangi ko lamang wish…kung ano ang iyong pananaw sa buhay so be it…datapwa’t yaong kapwa-Pinoy natin e kailangan natin igalang din ang kanilang karapatan at paninindigan sa buhay either OK or NOT OK sa iyong taste.
Dito natin makikita ang maturity ng isang tao, kung papaano tatanggap ng papuri or pagkakamali sa buhay…kasi nga, ganito yon…kundi sa ng dahil sa EDSA DOS, di tayo aabot sa ganitong sitwasyon?
At kung nagkataon yaong iniisip ng EDSA DOS wannabees na palpak ang pamumuno ng Pangulong Erap e KOREK sila…dapat di nila inagaw ng Malacanang.
Isang punto dito…sino bang Pangulo ang naka-gawa o nagkalakas ng loob na upakan ang mga rebelde sa Mindanao? Sample lang ito na siyang pinakamabigat na problema natin sa bansa at ilang dekada na ang pingkian ng kukote sa lugar na ito pero di matapos tapos ang rebelyon doon?
Only citizen Erap ang bumawi sa 46 MILF rebel camps…pero may nagawa ang West Pointer/PMAer na si Tabako…di ba WALA puro yabang lang?
Second, ang pag neutrilized ng mga carnap and other masasamang elemento sa ating lipunan di ba ang gobyerno ni Pangulong Erap kasa for the 1st time uli ng pamumuno e ang PNP ay nakakuha ng +53 pogi points.
Ang hirap sa marami nating Pinoy…masyadong nagmamadali sa buhay ang gusto sa isang iglap ang ang Pinas nabibilang na sa First World countries na ipinagyayabang ni gloria.
May tahid na ang mga problema sa ating bansa…at kung ihahalintulad natin sa sakit e cancer na ang mga ito?
Kaya paki-usap…matuto tayong igalang ang karapatan ng kapwa-Pinoy at maging masunurin tayo sa anu mang batas na umiiral sa ating bansa? Kung ayaw nila e wag nila, but tayo na maprinsipyong Pinoy e dapat maging masunurin tayo sa ating batas.
Look…kuha ka ng isang brandnew na photocopying paper of any size at lagyan mo ng isang tuldok ng ballpen sa gitna nito? Ngayon…tingnan mo ang kabuuan nito, sabihin mo sa akin ngayon ano ang iyong nakita sa kabuuan ng papel na ito?
Yan ang karaniwang buhay ng Pinoy?
Nakakatakot pabalikin si Erap sa kapangyarihan, huwag nating kakalimutan na isa siyang magaling na artista. He can deny a guilt and still look straight in your eyes, with matching innocent look. Kaya nga nanalo sa Famas dati si Erap, magaling na artista?
Several times na lagi kong sinasabi Mike, ang pananaw mong yan ang nagpanalo kay citizen Erap ng landslide noong 1998? Ibig sabihin delalibre siyang artista!
Pres. Erap is not only artista na akala mo, but isa rin siyang pulitiko na nagmula sa LGU to stardom…naging Senador, VP at Presidente?
Masyado namang enismall ng mga eletista con evil society ang kakayahan ng pobre…alam mo ba during Macoy watch sa MMla Mayors siya lang ang tanging oppositionist na nanalo sa eleksyon at halos lahat ng Mayors during that time e pro-Macoy? Nadaya pa nga yong pobre…pero umapila at pinalad na siya pala ang nanalo sa eleksyon?
Noong naupo naagaw ng EDSA ONE ang Malacanang e pinagresigned naman ang lahat ng City Mayors sa Kalakhang Maynila at isa siya rito…but naging daan naman ito upang maging elected Senator siya.
Kita nýo ang kapalaran parang life di ba! Recycled issues uli na kesyo babaero, sugalero, lasinggero ang ibinato sa kanya during 1998 election hayon sa ka lilibak nila sa pobre…landslide tuloy ang resulta pero naging mapayapa ang halalan.
Ilan lang yan sa mga pinaghihimutok ng buste ng mga traydor at sinungaling sa ating lipunan kasi marami silang atraso sa Pangulong Erap na sa oras na maka-upo uli yan sa Malacanang tapos ang lahi nila?
Subaybayan natin kung ano ang susunod na kabanata…!
andres – September 18, 2009 12:22 pm
Lacson’s back was against the wall, that is why naghanap na lang ng damay. Ngayon, just like the crook Chavit, hero pa siya in the eyes of the civil society.
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hindi ba’t si Erap ang naghahanap ng damay?
“Mr. Estrada had the temerity to issue a press statement that I was the one who knew and in fact supervised what former police officer Cezar Mancao had testified in court as “Operation or Oplan Delta”, allegedly a special operations plan designed to neutralize Salvador “Bubby”
Dacer.
Mabuti pa si Mr. Estrada, alam niyang may “Oplan Delta.” Ako, sa mga pahayagan at kamakailan ko lamang narinig at nalaman na mayroon palang “Oplan Delta.”
Sa halip na i-depensa na lang niya ang sarili niya, bakit siya kailangang magturo ng iba?” – Lacson
Balweg, halatang halata na diniriin si Erap but these recent allegations are criminal in nature. It is murder and heavy inside trading etc. Nakakatakot kung may katotohanan ang mga ito. Sigurado na balang araw kapag wala na itong boobuwit na demonyang ito, maliliwanagan din kung ano talaga ang tunay na nangyari. I just hope that no one will be put in jail if he is innocent.
perl,
Ang mga kagaya mong mga nasa civil society at trying hard maging elitista ay sarado ang pag-iisip. Kaya’t wag kang maiinis kung may iba ang pananaw dito sa blog dahil hindi lahat ng tao dito ay tulad mo.
Ang masa ay hindi tanga gaya ng sinasabi ng iba rito na bulag at bobo sila. Alam ng masa ang nangyayari.
Baka ikaw ang bulag dahil hindi mo tinitignan ang buong nangyayari na halatang scripted mula pa ng bumalik si Mancao.
Kahit si Bishop Bacani ay hindi naniniwala sa paratang na ito kay Pangulong Erap.
Ka Balweg,
Buti na lamang may mga makasama pa rin dito na lumalaban at naninindigan laban sa mga gustong maging elitista. Marami kasi dito di matanggap si Erap dahil siya ay kilalang makamasa.
Hindi tanga ang masa, tignan na lang ninyo sino ang mas maayos ang pangangatwiran. Mabuhay ang masang Pilipino! Ibalik ang makamahirap na pamamahala!
andres – September 18, 2009 2:38 pm
perl,
Ang mga kagaya mong mga nasa civil society at trying hard maging elitista ay sarado ang pag-iisip. Kaya’t wag kang maiinis kung may iba ang pananaw dito sa blog dahil hindi lahat ng tao dito ay tulad mo.
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igan, ikaw ata ang naiinis? hirap stin eh.. pagnasagasaan si erap, elitista, civil society na. si erap ang unang nagdiin kay lacson sa dacer-corbito case, yan ang gusto kong iparating sayo. si erap ang nag-traydor kay Lacson. sino ba sa 2 ang may mas motibo? si lacson ba? 2 lang ang totoo dito sa dacer-corbito case:
1. guilty si erap, walang alam si Ping
2. guilty parehas si ping at erap
impossibleng si ping lang may alam dito… kumpare ni erap si dacer… hindi gagalawin ni ping si dacer ng walang utos ni erap.
let’s focus on the issue.. hindi yung titira ka ng personal… nsa blogsite tayo, open for all… iba-iba talga opinyon… kung magpost ka… be responsible… be ready sa comment ng ibang bloggers…
Balweg, halatang halata na diniriin si Erap but these recent allegations are criminal in nature. It is murder and heavy inside trading etc. Nakakatakot kung may katotohanan ang mga ito?
Ano ang ikatatakot nýo about this recycled issues at sirang plaka na walang ending ang tono?
Ginawa ng rehimeng arroyo ang pagdusta sa Pangulong Erap…pull force of her Armed Forces of Pidalismo (AFP) at Pidalismo National Pulis-Patola (PNP) ang ginamit upang patahimikin ang pobre Not Once, but Twice…ngayon gusto pa nilang maging Thrice ito?
Ano napala nila WALA as nothing gonna changed Igan coz’kita mo di pa nagdedeklara sa 2010 e nasa magic 1 or 2 ang pobre, paano yang kung matuluyan ang kanyang pagtakbo…sure parang hilong-talelong ang remnant ng EDSA DOS wannabees at gloria and co.
Ka Balweg, Buti na lamang may mga makasama pa rin dito na lumalaban at naninindigan laban sa mga gustong maging elitista. Marami kasi dito di matanggap si Erap dahil siya ay kilalang makamasa?
Well, Ka Andres…i stand ONLY sa ating Saligang Batas at sa legalidad ng pagka-Pangulo ni citizen Erap? About other things…i have no authority na panghimasukan yan kasi mayroon tayong proper forum upang pag-usapan ito.
Ano ang ginagawa ng Piskalya sa ating bansa…trabaho nila yan upang usigin ang sinuman NOT the massmedia na obvious ang kanilang leaning at some known personality na personal ang banat nila sa Pangulong Erap.
Pinag-aralan ko halos lahat ang katauhan ng mga pulitiko na yan sapagka’t politics/history/relgion yan ang paborito kong subject.
Ang EDSA DOS scenario halos kumpleto ko ng VHS from day 1 to end day ng pagwalked out ng mga prosecutors?
And i joined EDSA 3…kaya na witness ko ang tunay na mga pangyayari na napakaraming sinungaling sa ating bansa lalo na sa hanay ng mga mamamahayag at Massmedia outlets?
I dare them all…and i don’t care kung sino sila?
Ako’y natutuwa at marami pala akong kagayang laking bukid dito. Kaya nga Eggplant ang username ko dahil it ang ikinabubuhay namin ang pagtatanim ng talong. Hindi rin ako galit sa mga elitista dahil marami din naman silang nagagawang magaganda sa bayan, ngunit ayaw ko ring magpadikta sa mga maling isipan at adhikain ng mga nakakariwasang uri ng lipunan.
Sa totoo lang hindi naman ako maka-Erap ngunit ako’y naiinis din tuwing hinuhusgahan at inaaliposta nila si Erap. Kahit papaano ay may nagawa din naman siyang maganda para sa bayan. In fact siya nga ang nasa likuran ng batas para pangalagaan ang kapakanan ng mga kalabaw bilang katulong ng mga mahihirap ng magsasaka sa pagsasaka at paghahanap buhay. Si Erap kasi ay may mataas na pagpapahalaga sa kapakanan ng mga mahihirap na kagaya naming mga probinsiyano at taga bukid.
Kaya ako’y nagpapasalamat at may mga taong kagaya nina kasamang Andres at kasamang Balweg na naninindigan para sa katotohanan, hustisya at batas, at higit sa lahat para sa kapakanan ng mga mahihirap. Saludo ako sa inyo mga kaibigan sa pagmamahal ninyo sa bayan at pagbabantay sa mga nangyayaring katiwalian sa gobierno. Natutuwa din ako at may isang katulad ni Ka Ellen na nagtatag ng ganitong forum upang may pagkakataon tayong mailahad ang ating mga nararamdaman at nang matuto din kahit papaano sa isat-isa.
It’s irrelevant whether jueteng gives employment to some people. Estrada, as president, has sworn to uphold the law. For him to make accept money jueteng (was it P10 million a month), an illegal activity was betrayal of public trust. Dapat lang talaga ma-impeach.
Ang pagtanggal sa kanya ay ilegal. Ibang usapan yun. Ang pumalit sa kanya ay mas masahol. Ibang usapan yun.
But it does not justify his crime of accepting money from an illegal activity.
As to Yuchengco’s case. Ano ngyaon kung may Alzheimers si Yungchengco? It doesn’t erase the fact that he was coerced by Estrada in selling his shares. Sure binayaran siya ng sobra-sobra. But it doesn’t erase the fact na pinuwersa siya ng presidente ng Pilipinas para kumita sa isang deal.
But
Nililihis nyo ang usapan na nakikinabang si Arroyo sa Lacson=Estrada na away. Hindi ko nakikita ang pakinabang ni Arroyo dito.
Kung nasira si Estrada sa espose ni Lacson, ang makikinabang ay ang ibang kandidato ng oposisyon, hindi si Arroyo.
Ang nakikinabang sa katotohanan ay ang sambayanang Pilipino.
This is false. Walang alam si Mancao, at walang alam si Lacson. Mancao is following a script.
Have you forgotten the affidavit of Dumlao who was at the scene? Mancao was supposed to have said: “Noy (Michael Ray Aquino), ano bang special ops yan”
Michael: “Kay kuwan yan, Dacer.”
Mancao: Alam ba ng Boss natin yan, si 71?
MIchael: “Sila (Malacanang) na daw bahala sa kanya.
Dumlao has been excluded as accused by the RTC, following the Supreme Court decision. So Dumlao’s lawyer in NY was correct, Dumlao should not have been extradited. Ginawa lang ng Pinas yon, magsinungaling sa American counterparts, para makulong si Dumlao to put pressure on him. Nakulong ng ilang buwan si Dumlao dahil sa official lie.
Now if I were Agoot, I will sue for damages, big-time. Puwede ring mag-demanda sa New York under the foreign torts act. Tingnan niyo, si Baja, kahit Ambassador, nademanda, at pinawalang bisa ang kanyang diplomatic immunity.
As for Mancao, malinaw na wala siyang alam, so hindi siya co-conspirator. So mali ang strategy na gawin siyang state witness. He should be excluded, period. Yung alam niya, puro galing sa affidavit ni Dumlao (hearsay twice removed from the source), except for the embellishments.
Mancao can be excluded for having no participation. But they promised him exclusion as a state witness, so that he will be beholden to his handlers. He was in jail in Florida for months to force him to this script. Kung lumaban siya, he will have a basis for civil damages against the government like Dumlao; puwede rin siyang magdemanda under the foreign torts act.
Hilong-hilo na rin ang script. Noong una, si Ping ang puntirya. siRaulo said walang alam si Erap, ganoon din ang chuchuwa ng mga Dacer sisters.
Now, they say hindi si Ping, si Erap daw.
Forgotten is the fact that no human being died in that area, per the physical evidence. Walang human DNA. And based on the case of Allado, one cannot obliterate the human body with just scraps of wood and car tires. Dacer must have been finished off elsewhere. By whom? Not by Dumlao or the men in the area.
This is a script by people who do not know what happened to Dacer. Like an author on forensic evidence said, the witnesses may lie, the prosecutors may lie, even judges may lie. But the evidence (physical) does not lie.
Erap had no motive, neither had Ping.
Bakit minamadali ito? Not just for the elections, but so that it becomes res judicata (already decided). That way, when a new administration surfaces, hindi na maaaring ungkatin. And the real masterminds, will ride into the sunset with their wealth.
I really feel confused in this kind of situation…
Grizzy,
Mabuhay ka!!!!! Swak na swak yong entry #12 mo.
Etong Preztosa ay Aso ni Glorya/ Inumpisahan nila at tinapos ni Lacson. Tapos!!!!!!
Thanks Saxnviolins.
Si Erap parang boksingerong hilo na nasapul ng kalaban. Ngayon pati Inquirer, kinasuhan niya ng libel. Tama si Manuel Buencamino, dapat kunin rin niya ang abogado ni Mike Arroyo na si Rondain.
Did you hear his TV interviews? Hindi maintindihan ang mga sinasabi at parang lasing. Dapat mag-get together sila ni Gloria Arroyo, ang isa ring lasengga.
Heheheehe, ngayon si Glorya at Erap na ang magkasangga …. ano ba naman yan Al … tandaan mo hindi si Erap ang nag-umpisa nito …. lol
There is an old trick among salesmen that goes, “focus on the minor objection, and if you overcome it, the major objection will be taken care of.”
So kung bumibili ka ng kotse, tinatanong ka, “Do you want it in red, blue or silver? Do you want a GPS with it? Do you want side airbags?”
Whoa. Tinanong ba if you want to buy? No. But when you answer the minor issues, slowly, you are being made to own the car in your mind. Ayun, nasilo ka.
Similarly, panay ang focus sa motive. Si Bigote daw, naiirita na, etc. But have they asked the major question? Mayroon bang namatay sa area, which would render Dumlao and his men liable? Which renders their bosses (Erap or Ping or Both) liable?
Walang namatay sa area, so walang sala sila Dumlao, Mancao or Aquino. So lalong walang sala ang kanilang mga bosses.
The real mastermind must be snickering.
Talagang hilo si Erap … hilong talilong … biruin mo naman kaliwa’t kanan na ang mga tinanggap niya … talagang hilo. Oks lang yan sanay na siya diyan …
Eto lang sa sinabi ni Mancao na narinig niya yong order ni Mr. Lacson sa tao niyang si Aquino na gawin na yong Bero at Oplan Delta ay alam na natin kung sinong nagsisinungaling.
Sax,
Thank you for the explanation on that part of the law: NO BODY, DIFFICULT TO IMPUTE CRIME ON SUSPECT
Indeed, I read somewhere Erap was quoted that he had no motive for killing Dacer and that they were together the day(?) before the publicist was killed, having a good time of some sort.
But as you yourself said, witnesses can lie. I’ve also read that there might be a motive, eg., Dacer was some kind of a mole and was in fact reporting Erap’s plans (whatever they were) to the opposition.
Now this is pure speculation on my part: Erap didn’t like that at all and this was a perfectly valid motive for eliminating the publicist.
Question: How would Erap know that the publicist was “working” for the oppposition? Answer: Erap was Comm in chief and agencies were at his disposal. Easy enough to have the man tailed.
“The only lacking here for Mr. Lacson is the motive. Does he have one?” — Mike
Kung may nag-utos na iba sa kanya para masira si Erap at makapaghiganti na rin siya … yan ang hindi natin alam.
Si Erap parang boksingerong hilo na nasapul ng kalaban. Ngayon pati Inquirer, kinasuhan niya ng libel?
Alam mo Al, since 2001 pa di ko na yan binabasa kasi isa yan sa naghudas at kasama yan sa EDSA DOS wannabees?
Kulang pa…isama mo na ang PCIJ at yong newspaper na pag-aari ni Mayor Belmonte?
Anti-Masa ang mga iyan, kaya dapat kasuhan yan ng liber ng matuto at matauhan?
Now, one may say that Ping could have the same motive.
But what could be Ping’s motive and did he have the occassion to do it?
Off the bat, these are things that I tell myself:
Ping doesn’t like criminals but Dacer didn’t seem to fit his category of criminals so why should he eliminate him?
He and his boss were at odds over many matters; he was outside the special loop that surrounded Erap; Dumlao and Mancao attested to that, so it’s easy to believe that Ping wasn’t responsible for the elimination of Dacer.
Kung yong sinabi ni Mancao na utos mismo ni Lacson kay Aquino na i-implement na yong order … at magbago na naman ang sasabihin niya … na si Erap ang nagutos …. sino pa ngayon ang maniniwala sa kanya?
I really feel confused in this kind of situation…?
Pinatawa mo naman ako Igan Mumbaki…relax kaya natin ito, inis-talo lang yan?
Pag nainis ka e TALO ka Igan!
It all boils down to character. I see Ping’s character as rather straight — he likes or he doesn’t like you. His past actions have proven that. The person doesn’t look like someone with a tortuous character.
One cannot say the same of Erap. He’s good at role-playing so not easy to discern the man when he’s saying the truth or he’s telling a lie. (With Gloria, it’s easy to tell.) As we all know — and Ellen described it well, the man’s vision of right from wrong is blurred.
To me, between the two men, I would believe Ping.
Di ba kasabihan sa atin na ang taong unang pumiyok ay guilty.
Atty saxnviolins said:
This is a script by people who do not know what happened to Dacer. Like an author on forensic evidence said, the witnesses may lie, the prosecutors may lie, even judges may lie. But the evidence (physical) does not lie.
Erap had no motive, neither had Ping.
Bakit minamadali ito? Not just for the elections, but so that it becomes res judicata (already decided). That way, when a new administration surfaces, hindi na maaaring ungkatin. And the real masterminds, will ride into the sunset with their wealth.
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Thanks you atty for coming in, ang tagal kita na hinintay, hehehe!
You put to rest my confusion as I was aiming for the opinion that Gloria is the eventual beneficiary of all this brouhaha, I can’t just put the lines together dahil sa mga affidavits nina Mancao at Dumlao na hindi ko makuha ng husto dahil ikot ng ikot. Isa pa nga ay walang DNA, ang hirap ng turuan lang….
What I don’t get is why people say Ping is traydor.
But traydor to whom? To Erap? But the falling out between the two men was completed in 2004 so anything that Ping does today to clear the air and to set the record straight between him and his former boss is par for the course.
1) In defence of himself — remember, it was Erap who first started this whole debacle by alleging that it was Ping who was responsible for Dacer’s disappearance. Did anyone expect Ping to just take that kind of accusation lying down? Only idiots will do that
2) As a service to his fellowmen. He is a senator, a nationally elected official, one who swore to serve the people (we’ve seen him in action). His duty is to the people first and foremost.
It is very sad that many of our fellowmen are blinded by an amost dysfunctional sense of loyalty to the point that they are prepared to forget right from wrong:
You are not to be blinded by loyalty — wrong is wrong no matter who does or say it.
Oopsss… “aiming for the opinion that the real masterminds..” (masyado kasi ako na naka-focus sa ngalan na Gloria e).
Baka naman talagang my ibang masterminds, easy targets lang si Ping at Erap sa hay-ho ng mga nasa likod ng tunay na pangyayari. Ginugulo ang script pero sigurado kung sino-sino ang tatargetin na mukhang mga nadadala naman sa script na ito.
Naala-ala ko tuloy si Ramos na hate na hate ni mumbaki.
Sige, at tuloy ang aking pagbabasa sa inyong lahat.
If there is anyone or any group that we should blame (if blame someone we must) for this debacle, it’s Gloria’s administration.
Sax has explained it very well.
Remember that Gloria and her gunggong guy had been making a big deal out of the extradition of Dumlao long before this happened. They had been writing a script, a kind of monkey wrench, to disrupt potential opposition unity.
But typical of Erap, once an actor always an actor, he followed the “script” not realising it was a booby trap and started pointing fingers at his former police chief as the mastermind of a crime.
Ping had no recourse but to defend himself. Any brave soul with the least bit of dignity left would do the same. Those who say that they wouldn’t out of loyalty to Erap are lying if not being dumb.
To:saxnviolins:
There is an old trick among salesmen that goes, “focus on the minor objection, and if you overcome it, the major objection will be taken care of.”
The best ever said here so far. Thank you.
0311 — looks like a military number to me.
The major objection will be taken care of and that potentially will be opposition unity.
Alam mo Igan Mumbaki…remember mo pa ba yong ginawang pagbibintang ng oposisyon noon against Apo Macoy na siya ang sinisisi sa Plaza Miranda bombing?
Kaya heto inis-talo nagdeclare ng Martial rule…so ano ang napala nina Aquino/Roxas ang co. and daming namundok at nabartolina?
Ngayon…nabasa mo ba yong statement ni Sen. Salonga at dito mo mababasa…source: http://www.gmanews.tv/story/170339/before-ninoys-death-there-was-plaza-miranda
Ibinintang kay Macoy, pero sino ang tunay na mastermind? Tulad din yan kay Pres. Erap, ofcourse siya ang Presidente at sa kanya isisisi ang pagka-tepok ni Dacer, but sino talaga ang gumawa nito?
They keep focusing on Oplan Delta.
Read the affidavit of Dumlao again (available in Vera files). Aquino’s interest was in some documents. There is even that part about “kung hindi makuha, pasabugin na lang ang computer at documento” or something to that effect.
The interest is documents is also confirmed by Dumlao’s later behavior. His TI (tactical interrogation) centered on the documents, which he later destroyed at the La Mesa Dam.
The testimonies of Dilloy et al painted Dumlao as giving the order to waste Dacer. That is the nexus to Aquino, and to Ping. But Dumlao was only interested in the docs. And now that Dumlao has been excluded, paano pa yung nexus to Ping?
I pity the poor scriptwriter.
Now, we’re getting somewhere….
This is a monkey wrench being thrown about by the admin to muddle opposition players and secundo to take away the heat from them (Gloria and cabal).
And really, they are succeeding.
Ayan natabunan na ang kaso ni Mikey Arroyo. Before you know it, they will be painting Teodoro as God sent to save the Philippines! Naknampucha… Panalo na naman si Gloria!
(Erap shouldn’t have fallen for that script — tama si Ping, he should just have defended himself instead of pointing to someone else. Parang bata!)
Pres. Erap, ofcourse siya ang Presidente at sa kanya isisisi ang pagka-tepok ni Dacer, but sino talaga ang gumawa nito?
If we are to go by the logic of the discovery time of who masterminded the Plaza Miranda bombing, then we will have to wait decades before we can answer your question. Lalo na there is no body.
Well si Ramos lang ang alam ko na may gusto ng mga bagay na iyan,baka siya ang may kasalanan.
hahaha! kung malaman man natin kung sino ang nag pa tira kay Dacer malalaman din natin kung sino ang nag patira kay ninoy.
Yari si ERAP dito.
Sax,
The real mastermind must be snickering.
I’m a simple sailor with a simple mind, and so it’s difficult for me to imagine that there is someone “powerful”, sinister, machiavellic enough to do something as evil as to have a big time publicist obliterated from the face of the earth to undermine whoever… or maybe the motive is not political.
In any case, until we know what info Dacer had, difficult to imagine the ultimate motive for anyone to get rid of him
Well si Ramos lang ang alam ko na may gusto ng mga bagay na iyan,baka siya ang may kasalanan.
Anong “mga bagay na iyan”?
Ramos had the confession of Victor Corpuz that it was Joma who masterminded Plaza Miranda (Joma vehemently denies it to this day) long before Salonga knew it.
@AdeBrux: “Ayan natabunan na ang kaso ni Mikey Arroyo. Before you know it, they will be painting Teodoro as God sent to save the Philippines! Naknampucha… Panalo na naman si Gloria!”
Does it mean that we’ve fallen into the trap of Gloria? Much as I don’t want to admit it… yes, I did. I just hope, with the info that Sax had posted we should get back to the real issue at hand, and that is Gloria’s, et. al…. crime against the Filipino people.
Mikey: Hahaha! Sige mag-away pa kayo at magpatayan pa kung gusto niyo. Ako, bibili ulit ako ng bahay sa New York naman para sosyal. At di lang yun, treat ko pa mom and dad ko ulit sa Le Cirque. Dami ko yatang perang nakulimbat sa kaban ng bayan. Hahahaha!!!
Jake LP:hahaha! kung malaman man natin kung sino ang nag pa tira kay Dacer malalaman din natin kung sino ang nag patira kay ninoy.
Ha! ha! ha!
But wait, malaman yan ha.
Mikey: Hahaha! Sige mag-away pa kayo at magpatayan pa kung gusto niyo.
Naku, Mike, I believe na Mikey is really very happy today.
But wait, malaman yan ha.
I was gonna say…
Jake, meaty-meaty comment ha! Mukhang nagkakaigi tayo. hehehe!
Ellen,
Unfortunately, Lacson clumsily exposed himself as Dr. Hyde and Mr. Jekyll because everybody knows that a politician who would badmouth his former chief is like telling the people he is the vilest and the meanest of his specie on this planet. The issue is not about the truth, but his motive. Kapunan, The Tribune
Never mind the rest of what he says but to say, the issue is not about the truth? Kapunan has a warped sense of values!
And then, there’s another witness…. ano ba yan?!
http://www.gmanews.tv/story/172625/dacer-camp-to-present-new-witness-vs-lacson
Jake, were you referring to this?
Ellen,
That’s incredible! You know, after reading Sax’s posts, my first question was… maybe the fellow ain’t dead yet!
Balik na naman kay Almonte! Hahaha! Itong si Almonte ayaw talaga mamatay ang issues sa kanya.
If there’s anyone who is as sinister as Gloria in the Phil political landscape, si Almonte!
Tila ibang conspiracy itong Ramos-Almonte clique. Bakit alam ni General Almonte na sabit sina Erap at Ping? Lumalalim ang telenovenang Bubby Dacer.
Thanks Saxnviolins…how about Aquino? Mayroon na ba siyang nilabas na statement? Nakakalito na talaga kasi ngayon sabi ng mga Dacer si Ping can be state witness at ngayon willing daw si Ping maging testigo kay Erap pag may nag nagreklamo daw sa korte…bakit pa ngayon niya naiisip yan eh noon he was already asked to stand as witness during Erap trial.
Kung ang dalawang witnesses nila magkaiba ng scripts mukhang pati ang judge malilito.
Mike,
Nasa panic mode na si Mr. Lacson … kaya pala hindi masyadong interesado ang Dacer family dahil meron pa silang isang witness.
Lumiliwanag na ang lahat.
Dapat eto pala ang sinabi ko ” kaya pala hindi masyadong interesado ang Dacer family na isama si Erap sa caso dahil meron pa silang isang witness.” soriiiii
Dapat basahin niyo rin ito
“It was Senator Lacson who exposed his bad side”
http://www.tribune.net.ph/commentary/20090919com3.html
Erap: On with my candidacy reports Philstar.
99.9% running.
Right on, Erap. If he runs, Villar or Teodoro might win. Gloria gains! OK!
Ayoko na, AYOKO NA!!! Sumasakit na ang ulo ko sa isyung ito. Ang gulo ng script!!! 😛
the witness that the Dacer family will present has a story that weeks before Dacer was abducted, he heard them arguing in a beach in Batangas.
Yun lang.
Lacson said “the Dacer camp’s presentation of a new witness would just be a “ploy” to convince him to agree to turn into a state witness.
“They should rethink their position to present that false witness who they say claims to have seen me and Mr. Dacer arguing in a beach in Batangas one week before Dacer disappeared,” Lacson said in a text message.
“First, I don’t remember having gone to a beach in Batangas my entire life. I hate beaches,” the senator said. “Second, and more incredibly, I would not have spent time in a beach with Mr. Dacer as we were hardly close to each other.”
I would not have spent time in a beach with Mr. Dacer
Now, I can see the guys who have bad minds will insist that it’s possible dahil “bading” daw si Ping? 🙂
“First, I don’t remember having gone to a beach in Batangas my entire life. I hate beaches,
Oh nooooo! I don’t like people who hate beaches! Darn, darn, darn!
I love beaches, a sand and sun worshipper, I’m your typical beach girl. Dang!
Just noticed the title. Reminds me of that portion of Dumlao’s affidavit where Victor Corpus was supposed to have said:
“Ayaw namin ng katotohanan. Gusto namin i-pin down mo si Ping.”
lacson must have meant bitches, so don’t be disheartened adb.only thick people donot like beaches.
I’m relieved and re-assured, norpil… thanks. glad to know that you like beaches too.
sax,
Right! You are extraordinary Sax!
Of course, Victor Corpuz… we shouldn’t forget that that blasted treasonous sonovabitch is capable of anything; yep, A N Y T H I N G!
hay..parang telenovela lang itong mga nangyayari..kanya-kanaya na silang laglagan kasi naiipit na silang pareho..i’ll watch for the next episode nalang parang marami pang pagbabago ang mangyayari..
Okay. More of the same.
http://globalnation.inquirer.net/news/breakingnews/view/20090918-225830/New-witness-to-pin-Lacson-to-2-slayslawyer
Let me repeat it again for the third time, otra vez, une autre fois, noch einmal:
Puro motive, masterminds, and their underlings. Swept away is the main issue. Where is the evidence that somebody was wasted in Cavite that night?
Puro foreplay. Sex agad. Where is the body?
In the above news item, it’s Maj. Gen. Romeo Prestoza who was mentioned by Mancao.
Speaking of Victor Corpuz, he is now assigned in the Philippine Embassy in Washington D.C. as presidential adviser on veteran affairs.
Where is the evidence that somebody was wasted in Cavite that night?
Authorities’ word for it? No body no crime — pero may body daw but charred. Circumstancial evidences?
Maybe the guy is with Victor Corpuz? Hehe! That guy hated Ping Lacson (maybe personal vendetta because Ping Lacson hunted down him(Corpuz) and his comrades while he was underground.
Hay naku, I’ll do a ron – September 19, 2009 2:06 am! Ciao!
Not true. Charred bones were found, but they did not contain human DNA.
Masarap ang bulalo sa Cavite. I used to have it for lunch, after hearings in Tanza. Masyado nang marami ang recado sa sabaw. But where is the beef?
Thanks, Tedanz. I was basing my comments on the speech of Lacson and the response of Jinggoy, and my experience meeting criminals in work as interpreter/translator in the police, court and bar association in Japan. Nothing personal really, just stating my opinion.
I don’t even care whether or not some people in this blog agree with me or not, especially those who should in fact do what they want to preach, because frankly speaking, when I tell a person for instance not to commit adultery, I maintain that I do not do so myself!!! 😛
The fact that they read my posts is evidence enough that they are interested in what I say even when they say throw insults, etc. at me and my fellow Japanese!!! Sabi ko na lang sa sarili ko, very typical Filipino!
Just a side story. When Yuchengco was ambassador to Japan, he bragged about changing the telephone equipment in the embassy after callers complained about not their calls getting through to an automated one, but after he did, the calls still did not go through, and condition became much worse than when calls to the embassy was handled manually. Iyon pala stockholder pala siya ng PLDT!
Another thing that Yuchengco also bragged about was that he was not getting any salary for accepting his appointment as Ambassador to Japan when Ramos was president. Maybe, he was not getting any salary from the government, but he was getting all business deals and monopolies with Japanese companies especially with then Sanwa Bank of Japan.
I like this comment from Rod P. Kapunan:
Truth is I have a lot of relatives in the police force in the Philippines. Inis na inis na nga sa nangyayari pero walang magawa kasi wala naman silang ibang alam na trabaho. Iyong ibang matapang, umalis na lang to work overseas.
Itong ginagawa nitong mga mokong na ito—Mancao, et al—is not doing any good to the already tainted image of the Philippine police. Kilalang-kilala iyong mga pangingikil at pambababae nila. Kaya bakit sila paniniwalaan? Paiba-iba pa ng mga statements ang mga mokong! Daig pa nila iyong mga kriminal na hinuhuli nila!
May mga tao dito na nagbabasa lang o nakikisali sa usapan pero hindi kumakampi sa personalidad, ang tinitingan ay yung isyu at inaalam kung sino ang tama at mali.
Yung hindi naman directly affected ng isyu lalo na yung hindi na nakatira sa Pilipinas, wag na makigulo pa na para bang alam na alam ang lahat, maliban kung gusto mo mapaliwanagan o ang sasabihin mo ay may logical, legal o propesyonal na batayan katulad ng mga sinasabi palagi ni tounge at ni atty sax.
ellen,
referring to no. 111.
“The fact that they read my posts is evidence enough that they are interested in what I say even when they say throw insults, etc. at me and my fellow Japanese!!! Sabi ko na lang sa sarili ko, very typical Filipino!”
i know he’s a fixture in your blog, but with his homophobic commentary in a previous post and now this, i think there’s a little too much bigotry going on.
i’m not usually too sensitive, and i’ve agreed with some of the guy’s comments in other posts, but the maligning and suggestive stereotypes have become a little too intolerable. its become a bit irresponsible and i hope something can be done to diminish it.
i will continue to read your blog and the comments in it, but being subjected to such wanton bigotry does make it a lot less enjoyable.
and as a parting shot, it is in the nature of this medium that the comments are read. it doesnt mean that readers more interested in certain commentaries as much as they are subjected to it. we cannot decide if a comment is interesting until we have read it, and, as is the case here, it will always be too late to tune out as the offense has already been made by the time we get to its period. perhaps, that is the reason why some are perceived to respond in kind.
your help will be much appreciated.
Tila ibang conspiracy itong Ramos-Almonte clique. Bakit alam ni General Almonte na sabit sina Erap at Ping? Lumalalim ang telenovenang Bubby Dacer.
DKG, based on the statements of Father Baldostamon…i do believe na narito ang KATOTOHANAN na gustong malaman ng taong Bayan sapagka’t kung nagawa ng mastermind to kick-out citizen Erap from Malacanang…kaya din nilang iligpit ang pinakamalapit sa kanyang buhay, walang iba ang kumpare niyang si DACER?
Simple arithmitic, si Pres. Erap ang pagbibintangan sapagka’t siya ang Pangulo ng bansa, but who’s the real criminal in this covert double murder victims?
Since the beginning of this issues…ang aking personal na opinion, walang iba kundi ang EDSA DOS conspirators ang may gawa nito para totally ibagsak ang Erap administration.
But, nobody believe in that scenario sapagka’t wala sa hinagap na magagawa ito ng Pangulong Erap…dahil sa NOT ONLY ONCE, but TWICE niyang naging bonding si DACER sa pagiging kumpare.
Pero itong si Tabako, sa hilatsa ng kanyang kartada…hindi pwedeng pagkatiwalaan sapagka’t kung nagawa niyang hudasin si Pangulong Erap, kaya rin niyang ipaligpit si Dacer…why? Isa siyang dating militar…na may karanasan sa extra-judicial killings?
Sige Father…ibalik mo ang tiwala ng taong Bayan sa inyong simbahan sapagka’t marami nang Pinoy ang walang tiwala sa inyong pulpito?
Remember, father Balweg, Navarro and other religious rebel leaders who fought against corrupt regime…hinubad ang abito upang ipaglaban ang ginawang pang-aapi ng mga naghaharing-uri sa ating lipunan?
Kaya…sa hanay ng mga taga-simbahan e mayroon pa din naninindigan sa paglaban sa katiwalian ng isang rehime except Cardinal Sin na siyang instigators ng EDSA DOS…kaya heto 10-years tayong ibinaon sa hirap ng rehimeng Arroyo.
Buti pa si Tita Cory before sumakabilang buhay e nakapag-I am SORRY, but itong si Cardinal Kasalanan e maari sa langit na lang hihingi ng tawad sa nagawa niyang mabigat na kasalanan sa sambayanang Kapinuyan.
We cannot decide if a comment is interesting until we have read it, and, as is the case here, it will always be too late to tune out as the offense has already been made by the time we get to its period?
Macshock, nice perspective comment…i commend you as a non-partisan guy na concern sa feelings ng ibang tao? Yang ang problema sa ating bansa, kaya kang paglaruan sa kanilang mga kukote sa pamamagitan ng mass & cyber media upang wasakin ang kridibilidad ninumang kinauukulan.
I dare all of these known massmedia personalities na bayaran at napapagamit sa mga kriminal upang paglaruan ang pagkatao ng isang kinauukulan.
Dapat ang mga journalists at print media ay maging responsable sa kanilang mga sinusulat at ibinabalita…ang kaso, nagiging sensationalize ang issue(s) kapag hinaluan nila ng intriga.
Magsisibanat sila at front page pa sa unang araw at pagkatapos ibibitin ang taong Bayan sa kanilang kwento ng walang valid or confirmantion na dokumento na dapat ang husgado ang may jurisdiction sa mga usaping tulad nito.
Basta mayroon silang maibalita ok na, but kailangan nilang maging responsable sa mga mambabasa at nakikinig ng bawat istorya na kanilang isinusulat at ibinabalita.
Buti pwedeng magsampa ng libel suit against those personality na masyadong bias sa kanilang pagbabalita at mayroon silang pinapaburang grupo o kaya individual na kinauukulan.
Let’s the truth prevail ONCE and for ALL!
Where are the charred bones? With the latest DNA technology baka ma-solve kung sino ang cow na yan.
Baka nagpabago ng mukha sa Mexico si Dacer, tapos ay living comfortable sa DC. Who knows, puro script lang naman ang piniprisinta sa publiko ng mga masterminds.
Hind ako sold talaga na may kinalaman si Ping o Erap sa murder. Kasi, kahit silang dalawa ay walang mailabas na kahit tig-isang konkretong ibidensya. Para silang nagsa-shadow boxing, evading/avoiding a direct/decisive action. Naisahan sila pareho, two birds in one script.
mashock, duane, huwag kayong mag-alisan. Mauubos tayo lahat dito, hehehe!
macshock pala, sori.
Baka nasa Bahamas na si Dacer at si Corbito at humihitit ng Cuban cigars katulad ni Tabako!
Remember, not even his cousin Marcos trusted this tabako! I wonder why?
Someone has orchestrated this so that all these fireworks will come out when Erap decides to run for the presidency again and Ping Lacson as well. Brilliant idea, the producer says but somehow, like in any movie script, there may be a mishap waiting to happen. Di ba Bruce Lee died while shooting his film?
Sax, ayon sa counsel ni Dumlao eh iniwanan ni Dumlao si Dacer na buhay na buhay kay Teofilo Vina. So may kinalaman pa rin sa PAOCTF, dahil the late Colonel Vina ay dating kasapi nito.
Pinatay din si Vina na huling link kay Dacer.
I saw the car that supposedly burned with the two bodies. The white paint of the vehicle was relatively still glossy. If a car is burned, usually the color is the first one that goes. Baka naman burned na talaga yung mga nasa sasakyan bago ito sinabugan ulit ng gasolina at inihulog sa bangin. Forensic work was never gathered para walang ebidensiya.
I am not being insensitive but sometimes, I watched movies where even the family members are in cahoots with the villains because they are too scared to squeal and sometimes the bounty is so large, they simply can not say no. Then they play along because even if they know that their supposedly “dead” relative is alive, chances are, he may just the same be dead if the plot is not carried on. I may be watching too much movies!
One of my acquaintances died in a car accident where the car burned but somehow, there were still some flesh remaining in the burned body. It would have been so easy to get samples of those for forensic purposes. Wala ba talaga man lang kumuha ng mga ebidensiya. This smells more than a rotten decomposing body!
May kinalaman, may connect kay Dumlao, masterminds, underlings, underlings of underlings. Puro pa-L, puro foreplay.
Where is the body?
The fact that Dacer has been missing all these years may yield the presumption that he is dead. But that does not prove he was killed by Dumlao’s men, or Viña’s men, or by Viña himself.
I am not saying that Viña did not do it. But to find a man or men guilty of murder, and put them behind bars, you need more than just “Last touch ka pare, ngayon hindi na mahanap. So I conclude that you killed Dacer.”
Tama na yung foreplay. Get down to business. Yang preliminary investigation na yan, let the prosecution prove that a human being was murdered in that area that night. Without that, based on the case of Allado, the RTC has no jurisdiction to even hear the case.
In the case of People v. Alexio Lupango
http://www.lawphil.net/judjuris/juri1981/nov1981/gr_32633_1981.html
The victim’s house was burned down with her in the house, but the remains were still recognizable as a human body. In fact, the remains still were sufficient to do an autopsy and prove that the victim died from a blow by a blunt instrument, not by fire.
Bahay na yang nasunog. So it could have been a barung-barong, but that is still more firewood than stray wood, coconut leaves, and a few car tires in the case of Dacer.
In the case of People v. Allado
http://www.lawphil.net/judjuris/juri1994/may1994/gr_113630_1994.html
In the case of Dacer, according to Dilloy, walang dalawang oras ang sunog. But not a trace was found of the body, not even the skull.
Ironically, the gold dental implants survived the fire that supposedly pulverized the skull of Dacer.
PSB, dahil wala naman talagang kukunin na ebidensya, sunog na mga buto na ang inihagis sa crime scene. Malay natin, baka mga buto na galing sa sementeryo o buto ng baka na sinunog ang mga yun.
Imagine na lang na sobrang controversial ang double murder pero wala ni isang evidence na nakuha/naitago ang mga imbestigador. May sinunog pa daw na mga documents at si Vina ay dinedbol din. Ano yan, perfect crime?
Hindi ko naman minimenos ang kakayahan ni Erap na mag-isip, pero duda ako na ganyan katalas at karunong si Erap para gumawa ng isang perpektong krimen.
At si Lacson naman ay napakarunong na tao para hindi maisip na ipapakain siya sa buwaya ni Erap later. Bakit pareho sila ni Erap na parang hindi nakahanda sa pagbalik ng Dacer-Corbito murder issue? Nasorpresa din ba sila ng script? Hindi tugma sa logic e, at least sa logic ko.
The burden of proving the fact of the crime ( corpus delicti) lies with the prosecution. The absence of the dead body is not an evidence that no crime has ever been committed because the offender can always conceal it. But in many instances have occured of a person being convicted of having killed another, who after the supposed criminal has been punished for the supposed crime, ( the dead) has made his appearance alive. In many cases that the corpus delicti has been proven competently by presumptive, but conclusive , evidence.
We can also relate this to the chiong sisters in cebu and the barrameda cases.
chi,
no plans to stop reading…yet 🙂 its always a fun read here. except when it gets like this…
this is the first time i’ve noticed how the very people who used to have the same loyalty to the PEOPLE OF THE PHILIPPINES, are now so belligerent and divided against themselves simply because the personalities they looked up to a few years back are now in their own particular versions of hell. and many are williing to join them there by sheer loyalty alone.
yun ang ugat ng problema, sa tingin ko. sobra tayong umaasa sa iilang personalidad para mai-angat tayo na minsan di na rin natin nakikita kung para sa ating kapakanan talaga ang mga pinanggagawa nila. sobrang hirap din ng bansa natin na minsan, abutan lang tayo ng kakaunti, pakiramdam natin yung bumibigay sa atin ay tagapagtanggol na natin. di natin nakikita na nagagamit din lang tayo at sa bawat kakaunting binibigay sa atin, sobrang laki naman ang hatak para sa kanila. we are entitled to a lot more than what is given us by our leader and we should demand as much from them.
the way it is though, we are so enamored with either of these two personalities that we think everything should revolve around them, na dapat, iisa lang sa kanila ang tama, isa ang mali. sa palagay ko, we get as much info as we can from them, so that in the future, we can avoid the mistakes that we’ve made in terms of picking our leaders. by leaders i dont mean one or the other. i mean both, plus everyone we put in a position of responsibility.
“Ironically, the gold dental implants survived the fire that supposedly pulverized the skull of Dacer.”
Where’s the gold dental implants, kay Dacer ba talaga yun?
Ang labo naman, na-pulbos ng apoy ang skull in only two hours. Ano yan, nagsunog ng wood sa fireplace?
macshock, ang tagal ko na sa Ellenville pero nasa-shock pa rin ako kapag ganyan…., hahaha!
Nag-cremate ng bodies!
The Dacer-Corbito double murder case could be a real challenge to the “Forensics” of TruTV.
bThe mention of the name of Ebdane reminds me of an interview with an ex-senior police officer who revealed the corruption in the MPD when Ebdane was police there.
The officer was in fact seeking asylum in the USA in exchange for information on the corruption, etc. committed by Ebdane with the blessing of Ramos re the discovery of the Bojinka Plot that could stopped the 911 attacks if Bush had not allowed it.
The said officer also mentioned the amount of money received by Ramos and Ebdane from the FBI but none of the police officers who risked their lives getting those information got a “balato” from the two creeps.
Now, from the time of Marcos till now, malakas na malakas itong Ebdane with Ramos as his backer, tama rin iyong isang blogger dito na nagsabing isa pang demonyo si Ramos, who was the first one to give Yuchengco such distinguished position as ambassador to a very, very important post.
…when Ebdane was chief there….
I translated the interview with the MPD officer into Japanese for a Japanese TV then as a matter of fact. Only a portion of the interview then was included in the documentary the TV station did on the 911 tragedy a year after it happened. I did translation on the interview with Bin Laden years prior to 911 that had been flashed on TVs worldwide.
I mentioned the above just to prove how corrupt this Ramos stooge is.
BTW, bakit si Yuchengco ang sinampahan ni Erap ng kaso ng libel at hindi si Lacson? Dahil ba may immunity from prosecution si Lacson as Senator? Galing ba kay Yuchengco iyong na-published sa Inquirer? I wonder.
Sinabi mo pa. Kaya nga dapat iyong susuportahan sa eleksyon hindi dahil anak ng kung sinong kulapo kundi dahil may plataporma silang para sa kapakanan ng bansa at kababayan niya hindi land para sa kapakanan ng mga katulad nilang may pera at hacienda, etc., at lalong di dapat makinig doon sa mga grupong nagluklok kay Gloria Kulimbat tapos palpak pala, at ngayong, mukhang mamamalpak pa rin.
As for Erap, biglang tandang-tanda na talaga ang itsura niya although I bet you inaasahan niyang makaka-survive pa siya hanggang a hundred. Kaya mas mabuting gumawa na lang siya ng mga documentaries based on facts lamang at di based sa mga guni-guni nila.
saxnviolins – September 19, 2009 6:26 am
saxnviolins – September 19, 2009 6:32 am
saxnviolins – September 19, 2009 6:37 am
Great, sax! for those 3 posts!
By the way, who were the police officers involved in the case of Allado? The PACC headed by then Superintendent Lacson. Their arrest and help in the prosecution of Umbal went for naught, because the Supreme Court said the physical evidence proves that Van Twest was not killed. This, despite the fact that Umbal had confessed to the murder, and was pointing to Allado as the mastermind.
So, ironically, it is the case that Lacson lost years ago, which will save him in the Dacer case.
“In March, Lacson claimed that Mancao told him as far back as January 2008 that he would recant whatever statements he would make against the senator.”
mukhang magkakatotoo ito ah…
I hope this Fr. Baldostamon will come out again and revive his expose that would link Almonte to Dacer-Corbito case.
Abangan ang susunod na kabanata…
Kung totoo ang sinabi ni Mancao that he was offered money to pin down Lacson, bakit hindi sila mag-imbestiga from there? But then, ano naman ang aasahan ng mga taumbayan sa klase ng police force nila ngayon na pinamumunuan ng appointee ng isang kriminal at binigyan ng tungkulin na protektahan ang kaniyang interest lamang!
Walang pupuntahan ang kasong ito tiyak! Siguro ang mangyayari lang ibabalik na nila ulit si Erap sa kulungan para di makatakbo! That’s it!
Almonte –> Ramos –> Carlyle Group –> US Council of Foreign Relations –> New York Archbishop Edward Cardinal Egan –> Pope Benedict XVI –> Jesuit General Peter-Hans Kolvenbach
Bakit hindi kaya tawagin ni Erap si Ramos at gawin nyang witness. Hostile witness ang mangyayari kay Ramos pero pede namang ma cross examine sya kung may trial na.
“Almonte –> Ramos –> Carlyle Group –> US Council of Foreign Relations –> New York Archbishop Edward Cardinal Egan –> Pope Benedict XVI –> Jesuit General Peter-Hans Kolvenbach” – SumpPit
SumpPit,
Kaya gusto kong si Lacson ang maging Presidente dahil dito eh… i don’t see in the current list of presidentiables ang kayang pumalag dito… si Mancao-Dumlao-Aquino, tingin ko sila may pakana ng halos sabay-sabay na pagkakahuli sa US… Tingin mo? makakaiwas ba tayo dito? I think si Marcos nag end nung 1986 dahil sa mga to… please let me know your thought on this… please!
@25 Mike: “Lacson on the other hand, we can’t deny that he is capable of doing such, less we forget that he used to be a member of the notorious MISG under Col. Abadilla during the martial law years. The only lacking here for Mr. Lacson is the motive. Does he have one?”
How about Lacson being a Fiedel Ramos’s boy?! Hindi pa rin maalis ang suspetsa ko na may tagong kinalaman si Ramos sa pagkamatay ni Dacer-Corbito dahil siya ang ka-meeting ni Dacer nuong araw na na-abduct si Dacer. At kausap ni Ramos sa telepono on the way to the meeting place (Manila Hotel yata)at tinatanong kung nasaan na sila (Dacer). So knowing where Dacer was, alam kung saan tatambangan. lahat ng palabas nasa likod si RAMOS. Na hanggang ngayon ay namamayagpag ng lihim. Si Ramos ang unang-unang tao na ayaw makabalik si Erap dahil pananagutin siya sa kasalanan sa bayan!
Sanay si Ramos na gumagawa ng milagro at krimen na ang mapapagbintangan ay ibang tao. Duda rin ako na ganito ang nangyari Sa kaso ni NINOY AQUINO!
Sax: “Ironically, the gold dental implants survived the fire that supposedly pulverized the skull of Dacer.”
Di ba mas mauunang matunaw dapat ang ginto ( dental gold implants) kesa sa skull! Ano ito planted?
Balweg: “Only citizen Erap ang bumawi sa 46 MILF rebel camps…pero may nagawa ang West Pointer/PMAer na si Tabako…di ba WALA puro yabang lang?”
Di ba nuong panahon ni Ramos nagsulputan ang mga kampo ng mga rebelde? Lalo na yung pinakaheadquarters yata na Camp Abubakar na nabawi ng gobyerno ni Erap? Pinabayaan ni Ramos na mamayagpag ang mga rebelde para may dahilan siya na mag-operate at tumulong ang mga kano.!At syempre para na rin sa military funds na nabubulsa ng mga matataas ang ranggo.
“Mancao also reiterated in court that he had heard Lacson ordering former Senior Supt. Michael Ray Aquino to implement Oplan Bero and Oplan Delta at the same time.
General’s reaction
“‘Pagsabayin mo na’ (Do it at the same time) was what Lacson told Aquino while they were inside a vehicle on the way to a restaurant in San Juan, according to Colonel Mancao,”
TedanZ: “Eto lang sa sinabi ni Mancao na narinig niya yong order ni Mr. Lacson sa tao niyang si Aquino na gawin na yong Bero at Oplan Delta ay alam na natin kung sinong nagsisinungaling.”
So, anong sinasabi ni Lacson na wala siyang alam sa ops. Inilulusot niya ang sarili at inguso si Erap. This is a military op at di sanay si Erap dito. May isang taong nakakubli ang mas sanay sa ganito.
So, anong sinasabi ni Lacson na wala siyang alam sa ops.
Is Mancao a credible witness?
You have to square this with the tstimony of Dumlao, about Mancao saying:
Perl:
Glad you ask those questions.
If you want to fully understand what’s going on, please read Vatican Assassins by Eric Jon Phelps. It’s a very extensive historical accounts of who the real enemy of our people, and humanity as a whole, really is.
Once you read this, you won’t look at history and current events the same way again.
You can download the file by opening this torrent from your Limewire or BitTorrent P2P Client:
http://torrents.thepiratebay.org/4370041/Vatican_Assassins_Third_Edition.4370041.TPB.torrent
Yun nga Anna, sino sa kanila ang credible? Sino ang nagsasabi ng totoo at nagsisinungaling? Mga tauhan sila ni Lacson na magkakaiba at paiba-iba ang sinasabi. Nililito na tayo!
Luz,
Nililito na tayo!
Right! I think that was the purpose of whoever wrote “the script”.
Luz, they’re very happy dahil, tayo tayo anti-Gloria away away! Hihihi!
Perl:
Ang kilala kong Lacson ay galit sa mga fiesta na siyang nagpapahirap daw sa mga Pinoy.
Di ko kaagad-agad naiintindihan ‘yon. Ibig palang sabihin, ang simbahan mismo ang nagpapahirap sa atin. At di natin ito malalampasan kung hindi natin itakwil ang mga Huwad!
Ganito nila ginamit si Macoy… at ng wala ng silbi dinala sa Hawaii kasama ang 14? Crates [ng Gold Bars?]
Here’s from Lacson’s website…
Anna,
Those scriptwriters know na palaging effective yung style nila. Kaya ingat tayo sa analysis.
luzviminda – September 19, 2009 8:16 pm
Sax: “Ironically, the gold dental implants survived the fire that supposedly pulverized the skull of Dacer.”
Di ba mas mauunang matunaw dapat ang ginto ( dental gold implants) kesa sa skull! Ano ito planted?
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Thanks for pointing that out, Luz. I missed the fact that natutunaw ang ginto!
From the article of Herman Laurel:
http://politicaljunkie.blogspot.com/2009_03_01_archive.html
“Fr. Baldostamon’s story implicates Almonte, and where Almonte is, Ramos cannot be far behind. This supports the theory we were first to bring out at the height of the controversy over Dacer’s disappearance. My contention was that the January 20 Coup plotters had the most motive to shut up Dacer. Dacer was working with the coup plotters, but after the Estrada reconciliation and P 30 million paid (according to eye witness accounts) for changing sides, he became a hot potato for the plotters. He knew too much and had to be put in the freezer. Then, the disappearance would be blamed on Estrada.”
Well, How about that for a motive? And maybe that has also the connections with the documents and computer files that wanted to be destroyed.
And according to the link ni Sax sa Dumlao affidavit (Verafiles) above comment at September 18, 2009 10:02 pm:
Ang opinion ko dito eh, yung Tactical Interrogation, ay para malaman ang pinag-usapan nila Erap at Dacer nung nagkita sila before the abduction. At pinahaluan ng ibang panglitong tanong para iligaw kung sino ang utak ng pagdukot. At syempre ang tungkol sa mga dokumento at computer files. Natakot siguro yung mga utak na isiniwalat ni Dacer kay Erap yung mga coup plotters, may kinalamn sina Ramos at maaring hanggang umabot pa kay Uncle Sam.
Macshock, I share your sentiments. I’ll call her attention again. I have been deleting the offensive lines in her comments.
Grizzy, siguro naman you are not too insensitive to know that you are turning off so many of the bloggers here.
I think you should listen to their comments and examine yourself. I share their sentiments.
I have been deleting offensive lines in your comments even after i have called your attention and told you to stop being a bigot.
I want visits to this blog pleasant and worthwhile. I hope you will cooperate.
Ellen, thank you.
Looking forward to even more pleasant discussions 🙂 Have a great day!
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