By Avigail Olarte
VERA Files
Following a VERA Files report on Pampanga Rep. Juan Miguel “Mikey” Arroyo’s failure to declare in his latest asset declarations a multi-million-peso property in California, three party-list representatives filed Tuesday a resolution that seeks “to investigate the loopholes in the SALN (Statements of Assets, Liabilities, and Net Worth) disclosure system using the Arroyos as a case in point.”
“It is high time for Congress to scrutinize the system of reporting of the SALN and to determine whether or not drafting a new law is necessary to ensure that all civil servants stick to the basic rule of utmost transparency when submitting their SALNs,” said Bayan Muna’s Teodoro Casino and. Satur Ocampo and Gabriela Women’s Party Rep. Liza Maza in House Resolution No. 1358.
“Should hearings push through, we will invite PGMA (President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo) and/or her lawyer/accountant and Reps. Mikey and Dato Arroyo as resource persons,” Casino said in a text message.
Click here (VERA Files) for the rest of the article.
Does that mean that Mikey Arroyo is now off the hook?
As of now, no case has been filed against him. I’m sure the Ombudsman won’t lift a finger despite the media expose.
But that doesn’t mean nobody will file a case against him in the future.
From Joey Tanyag:
The gist of what Mikey Arroyo bared to the public is this,
a. lahat ng public official gumagawa nito
read: lahat ng nasa gobyerno lalo mga congressman, ay itinatago ang nakaw na yaman sa pagtatayo ng linited liability company at pag iwas sa truthful declaration ng SAL.
b. so sue me!
read: dahil alam ng mga arroyo na nakaw ang mga yaman nila, pinaghahandaan na nila ang mga demanda pwedeng isampa sa kanila
c. ang mga ngiti nya sa mga tanong sa kanya
read: wala rin naman kayong magagawa kahit malaman nyo itong yaman ko at walang mangyayari kahit magsampa kayo ng kaso
d. hindi pa iyan kalakihan para maging ill gotten wealth
read: hindi pa tapos ang pangungurakot at pagnanakaw namin, barya lang yang nadiskubre nyo.
Nakakaiyak na nakakatawa ang ipinapakita ng pamilya arroyo, talagang makapal ang mukha, ganid at walang
konsyensya.
Naniwala naman ako na lahat ay may katapusan at inaani kung ano ang itinanim ( it is just a matter of time).
From Al Santaclara:
I have been following the VERA reports and your writings in you column about the SALN of the two sons of Gloria. It seems that Mikey Arroyo really hates being ask as to the source of his fantastic increase in his net worth, to the point that he quips” so sue me in court”.
So let’s pursue what he wants, only we do not consider filing in a case in the Philippine courts because that is precisely what Mikey wants. Why not raise the issue of studying the filing of a case in the US court by studying possible violation in RICO act and the money laundering laws of the US.
Just follow the money trail. How did the Arroyos pay for the houses, definitely in US dollars (not in Philippine pesos). For such big amounts, they definitely had to bring US $ to the US, either through a bank or in cash (perhaps by using diplomatic passports). In the latter case, if paid in cash (by looking for the former owner in the US registry of deeds), that is definitely a violation of US laws.
If a bank was used, under AMLA rules, anything brought to the US of more that $10,000 must be reported to the IRS and must have supporting documents to support and explain the incoming dollars. Were taxes paid on such money, whether in the originating country or in the US (might be a worthwhile look in the Phil.-US tax treaty).
How the 2 Arroyos managed to bring the US$ to the States might prove to reveal other “irregularities”. In fact if such an investigation (by VERA or any other concerned Fil-Am person or US based organization) might reveal how other “dirty politicians and goverment officials” are able to buy properties in the US or have investments in the US.
As I read in one of the newpaper columns ( I think De Quiros, yesterday), “wala nang nakakalusot” na issue concerning mga Arroyos, from the parents to the children.
Hindi na dapat natin palusutin itong dalawang o tatlong (isama na si Iggy) Arroyos na can not explain their increase in wealth. As WInnie Monsold, under the Philippine law on Anti-corrupt Practices Act, the burden of proving that a government official’s wealth is not “ill-gotten” is incumbent on the said official and not on the public or any accuser. Such a suit against these 2 or 3 would perhaps be of use in any investigation of the money trail in the US.
There is a drawback in such an investigation and that is who will finance such an investigation?
Why wait for June 30,2010?
“Should hearings push through, we will invite PGMA (President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo) and/or her lawyer/accountant and Reps. Mikey and Dato Arroyo as resource persons,” Casino said in a text message.
What do they mean by as resource persons,”?
Whether or not there is a resolution filed (in ref to “Should hearings push through,, they must look into Mikey Arroyo’s and his brother’s unexplained wealth.
Declaring assets or not does not exempt them from investigations into unexplained wealth. This is common sense.
The sudden, unexplained wealth of these two members of Congress, which they accumulated immediately after their election into public office requires thorough investigating, FULL STOP!
Meet the dead dick’s “sue me” challenge.
Nothing in the constitution forbids other members of Congress to look into this with fine toothcomb.
There is a drawback in such an investigation and that is who will finance such an investigation?
If the slut which is the Ombudsman refuses to do it, members of CONGRESS should do it! If they can’t or refuse to do it because they are goddamaned scared of the Arroyos, they should resign their seats! FULL STOP.
I seriously doubt if the House will not investigate Mikey. House Speaker Prospero Nograles immediately cleared him.
Nograles dismissed our report as just “nitpicking”.
It appears that the Office of the Ombudsman sleeping on the job or sees no evil if Jose Pidal Arroyo family is involved in alleged crimes. Ombudsman Gutierrez is not aggressive enough to start an investigation. VERA files are a good starting point to pin down tongressmen Mikey and Dato. The Department of Justice and AMLC can start its investigation on money laundering angle. Where are the evidences? Well, do your homework and don’t wait for documentary evidences to fall on your asses.
Errand boy Prospero Nograles is doing his job to protect his master Mikey. Kampi siya sa demonyo.
Nograles must be investigated too for suspected coddling of money launderers.
Nognog must be investigated too for being so very ‘pangit’!
Nognog wraps Mikey with a protective blanket already. Sige lang, nasa denouement na and kwento ni Panduck.
I read somewhere that the reason Gloria wants to extend her term is greed and not necessarily for fear of being prosecuted for numerous anomalies. According to the same article, Chief Justice Puno told Gloria that they have themselves ‘covered’ because they have put all their men in positions to protect them, like the justices in the SC.
In the same manner, Mercy of the ombuds is also there to cover their ass. My question is, cannot a new president require all of them to tender courtesy resignation? If not, lucky evil bitch siya talaga.
Chi,
Mercy the slut, Nognog, the shit and Gordon the lil prick should be punished too.
There’s no room for cowards in a righteous govt.
This said, Filipinos must be UNWAVERING — hindi ningas kugon. Walang awa awa sa mga culprits.
Walang delicadeza ang mga putanginag Arroyo…
“Those who abuse power, cheat in elections, amass unexplained wealth, coddle culprits, steal from govt coffers, drug traffickers, elected officials who accept bribes, etc., etc., should be dealt the most severe punishment…”
Until we really put these villains in jail, seize all their loot and ban them forever from any public service, we will always have vultures who will suck all out monies dry! The reason why our public officials steal and lie, they can always get away with it! The next batch will do just the same- steal and lie. So we can never move forward. Only our population bloats, poverty increases and lawlessness becomes the order of the day!
Wow, walang ginagawa? Unbelievable. Sorry for mentioning Japan always in cases like this, but over here, if this kind of thing gets into the newspapers, hindi iyan titigilan ng media. Morning, noon and night babatikosin hanggang sa mag-order ng full investigation ang korte namin via the prosecutor’s office.
Tapos, iyong mga opposition tiyak, sasampahan agad iyan ng issue sa Diet namin para makalkal ang katotohanan. Unang-unang pinupukpok iyong PM because of the principle of “Command Responsibility” at kung involved siya, lalong-lalo na siyang mapupokpok. Walang puedeng lusutan sa totoo lang with the guilty oftentimes ending up 6 feet underground kasi magpapakamatay to save face.
Taragis sa Pilipinas, nakakalabas pa sa TV, at ang tapang pang magyabang na lumaki na ang asset niya kasi alam niyang walang batas to stop him. Pakapalan pa ng mukha. Wow! Kasi bakit ngayon lang isinusulong nina Ocampo iyong panukala nila. Akala ko ba inayos na nila ang lahat nang ibagsak nila si Marcos. Golly, same old rules that help promote graft and corruption pa rin pala! Ang tanga naman!
Ningas cogon! Ellen and the other hard working media people find the anomalies. It stops with them wala ng follow up. Papaano, halos lahat ng institutions natin eh corrupted na! Maraming takot kasi bigla na lang silang pinapatay. I wonder who is behind the killing of one of the witnesses on the Dacer case? Bigla na lang pinatay. Maybe this guy knew who really marterminded the killing! Napakadaling magnakaw at pumatay!
Si Aso nga, to convince us that he was doing all he could to boost up the economy, he ordered the treasury to distribute shopping money of 12,000 yen to people over 18-65 and 18,000 yen to people from 0-18 and from 65 up years of age a few months ago.
I got 12,000 yen and so do my husband and son. Pinadala sa bank account ko, but it proved nothing. Nagpasalamat ba ang mga tao sa kaniya? Nope, kasi di naman galing sa bulsa niya ang pera. Parang refund lang ng taxpayers’ money namin ang nangyari.
Nagalit ang mga tao dito. There was an outcry for a new election, kaya nagkaroon kami ng election on August 31. Expected na matatalo ang LDP, pero umasa pa rin si Aso na di sila mapapalitan, pero galit na talaga ang mga taumbaya kaya binoto nila ang DPJ instead.
Na-iskandalo din iyong dating lider ng DPJ sa totoo lang just recently. Nangupit ng campaign fund iyong secretary niya at nangurakot gaya ng ginagawa for instance noong mga alipores ni Gloria Kulimbat. Pinukpok sa media at sa Diet even by his own partymates. Napilitang bumaba para lang ma-redeem rather ma-save ang good reputation ng bagong tatag na partido nila. Pinatawad ng mga taumbayan. Presto, nanalo sa eleksyon!
Si Aso nanalo sa distrito niya, pero talo ang partido niya. Kaya the next day of the election, in-announce ang change of ruling party/government, at bumaba siya sa puwesto. Sa Pilipinas, bulgar na at lahat, nakakalusot pa rin with just “I’m sorry, lapse of judgment.” At ang kapal ng mukha, di bumaba! Pakapalan ng mukha!
Worse, nagpunta pa doon sa wake ni Cory Aquino na nagkasakit na at lahat sa pagsabi sa kaniyang bumaba na siya, for all you know, stress can cause and aggravate cancer. Kaya dapat talaga di sinalubong ni Noynoy sa wake ng ina niya iyong isang dahilan ng pagkamatay ng nanay niya. Medyo nasuka ako doon sa totoo lang.
Truth is I have promised the Lord above na hindi na ako magmumura, pero when I think of these crooks in the Philippine government and how they can remain oppressing their own people, etc., di ko mapigilan! Tuloy panay ang mea culpa ko.
Kaya ba nila? Dapat kaladkarin nila ang animal sa Congress at di payagan mag-invoke ng executive privileges kuno niya. Kundi nila kayang kaladkarin ang animal, puede ba kumilos na ang mga taumbayan at sila na ang mag-lynch sa animal?
Kundi ba naman gago kasi kung bakit iyong mga appointees ng animal sa Supreme Court, Prosecutor’s Office (Ombudsman), police and military, etc. ina-approve at kino-confirm ng mga bobo! If that is not being stupid, what is?
Kawawang Pilipinas!
The opposition should really concentrate on fielding in REAL OPPOSITION candidates in congress and senate. Habang nandyan ang mga ASO ni boobuwit, nothing will happen to any of the cases. They will all fall into the cracks! The tongressmen and senatongs(now Gordon is one of them)will just look the other way (where the tongpats and bribes are greener).
OK, since the horsey son has given his ultimatum–“sue me in court,” why don’t Filipinos do that? Don’t they know about class suit over there?
Just to give you, guys, an idea, over in Japan, we can now file lawsuits against those we think have offended us even when we do not have money, for the Japan Federation of Bar Association has managed to ask the government to create a legal aid agency that will provide help and assistance to the oppressed needy. Kung walang funds iyong maghahabla, binibigyan ng financial help.
Kung class suit at citizens’ initiative, most likely, the money will come from fundraising campaigns, at dito hindi mahirap mangalap ng pera especially when the public understand the issue. Iyan ang trabaho in fact ng media, ang ipaalam ang issue sa taumbayan. Kaya dito lucrative business ang dyaryo, radio at TV.
Sa Pilipinas kasi puro comics, at sayaw-sayaw sa TV. Iyong mga serious programs, pag napag-initan ng mga kurakot, tinatanggal pa.
Buti na lang may Ellen Tordesillas, Yvonne Chua, et al. Iyan ang mga “di atatakot, di atatakbo!” Award o no award. lumalaban! Cheers!
malakas kasi loob ni mikey na magsabi sue me-kasi asa kanila ang batas..see until now walang nagsasampa ng kaso..ala naman talagang gamit ang ombudsman pag pamilya arroyo ang pinag uusapan..
With nograles, isang walang kwentang mambabatas nasumusunod lang sa utos ng amo nyang mga kurakot!
Erap concentrated on the Senators in the 2007 elections. He did not do a good job with the congressmen. So now congress in filled with tongressmen. Tinatawanan lang nila ang mga kumakalaban sa kanila. They are saying “BELAT”!
Kung sinabi ni Mikey na “Sue Me” … ano may naglakas loob bang gawin. Kung tama nga naman ang mga ipinaparatang sa kanila bakit wala man lang ni isa na tumayo at labanan ang mga kabuktutan ng pamilyang ito. Ang hirap kasi puro sulat na lang, puro hinagpis hanggang sa makakita na naman ng ibang isyu para isulat at ibulgar .. panibagong hinagpis naman. Natakpan na naman yong isang kabuktutan. Puro ganito na lang ba?
At Ellen, hindi rin sigurado kung kay Mikey yong mga sasakyan na nakikita sa Google Maps. Puwedeng kuha pa yon nong dating may ari ng bahay.
Probe nga ng probe, lahat halos ng nag-poprobe eh kasama din nila eh di wa-epek!
Meron naman, Tedanz. Don’t undermine and underestimate what Atty. Roque and company are doing. Nagsampay na siya ng kaso. Di ba nagwala na nga siya sa Ombudsman dahil palandi-landi lang doon iyong bobita na nilagay ni Mike Pidal doon? All support kami sa ginagawa niya. Right now, pinalalakas namin ang grupo naming susuporta sa kaniya. Konting kayod pa. Malapit na!
PSB,
Probe nga ng probe, palpak naman kasi di naman sincere. Puro pasikat lang! Pinoy na pinoy ang dating! Ngeeeeeeeeeek!
In fact, di ako nagtitiyagang manood ng mga palabas nila sa Senate when they do those probings. Tangnanay ng mga bobo, iyong mga witness ang pinahihirapan. You should see how they do investigations in our Diet pag may scam/scandal. Lahat nagpa-participate.
Lahat ng Dietmen namin nakakapagtanong sa witnesses at suspected offender di gaya sa Pilipinas na may committee pa kuno pero ang mga miyembro naman ng mga committee na nag-i-imbestiga nakatanggap na ng envelope na puno ng perang inutang ng animal sa ibang bansa na babayaran ng taxpayers of this generation and future generations of Filipinos. Kaya dito nahuhuli ang mga may kabalbalan. Pagnanakaw kasi dito kasingbigat ng murder!
Para sa akin iyong sistema sa Pilipinas, sistema ng mga inutil! Siguro pag talagang nakakatrabaho na si Sonny Trillanes, magiging matino na. Kaya iyong mga kurakot ayaw siyang palabasin. Pag-asa na lang siguro talaga mag-alsa na ang mga mukhang di pa nakakahalatang inaapi sila!!!
Nagsampa, di nagsampay….sorry! 😛
For me, pampagulo lang si Erap, PSB. Tama yong nagsabing, he was given a chance, but he blew it. In fact, siya ang ginagamit ni Gloria Kulimbat na scapegoat para masira ang Opposition kesa makatulong.
Ang talagang tulong na puedeng gawin ni Erap para sa bayan at mga kababayan niya ay gumawa na lang siya ng mga documentaries gaya noong ginawa nang makulong siya na naging dahilan pa ng pagkakakulong ng ilang matapang sundalong nag-defy ng utos ng tapalaning mang-aagaw ng puwesto. He should do films similar to those educational, etc. films that Michael Moore does. Baka matoto na ang mga kababayan niya. Yayaman pa siya at mas lalaki pa ang silbi niya sa bansa niya.
From Joe Seguerra:
The Glory Fish
Better known by its scientific name, “Pandaca Presidencia,” this rare species has been recognized all over the world by its unique way of devouring fish living in murky shallow funds, in a manner comparable to the Amazon piranha. Most recently, this species has been seen to live in the high seas, transported in lush jet planes and thriving in steep aquariums worth millions as found in New York and Washington restaurants, and God knows what other parts of the world.
It may be the smallest fish to have ever entangled herself in our nets, but it has prevailed over big obstacles. Indeed, its size may even be its asset as it has been able to squeeze through even the tightest nets and quandaries, even making its way uncaught under the notoriously slow fishing patrol—the Ambustman’s ship.
According to experts, the Glory Fish has been on the brink of extinction for years, and the concerned public has even clamored for the elimination of the species, but it seems to be on the very peak of the food chain and might manage to maintain its glory even beyond 2010.
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New song by Apo Hiking Society:
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Ellen – September 4, 2009 12:48 am says Congress will not investigate Mikey. House Speaker Prospero Nograles immediately cleared him. Nograles dismissed our report as just “nitpicking” (petty criricism, trivial faultfinding).
I suggest we indulge Nograles on his choice of words. Solita Monsod demolished Mickey and bared him as an authentic nit — the egg or larva of a parasitic insect, especially a louse. Monsod, however, did not identify the progenitor louse and left it to the public’s imagination. But Nograles does elicit a thought that has escaped public notice: the successor of the louse.
The choices emerging from the woodwork are not just miserable, they are disgusting. A tantalizing exception is being urged and persuaded, even prodded, to accept the challenge, but keeps the nation in suspense about his decision. Noynoy the coy.
Will he wave the yellow banner, or will he be a chicken-hearted yellow-belly?
Glad this specie has a date of extinction. That is already our consolation after those long years of agony this rare breed of fish with a very unsatisfiable appetite caused us, but if some aqua culturists like those who put up laboratories in Congrease and the newly rejuvenated Department of Justease well assisted by the sleepy timonera of the Ambustman’s ship inject some life prolonging solutions same done by the notorious addition-subtraction scientist named Garshit when the “Pandaca Presidencia” was fighting for its life in 2004, expect a more wide spread disaster the glory fish can cause in our much depleted and drying fish funds. Another fearful forecast is the possible winning of the pothole faced educated Mangyan mestizo, Kabayag de Cashthrow in the next fishermen’s fair in 2010 which is seen as its another escape from the net.
Butchers with dull hatchets like the arthristic Erap, the ever resourceful kuno C5 and Chopchop artist Manny, the mama’s boy Noynyoy and other nuisance opportunists should join forces and come up with a common tool to catch the fish and bring its existence to its end. The problem with these people is each wants to be a star performer and doubts still hang in the air if anyone among them has the courage to drain the water of the golden aquarium, the only means to kill the fish, its fries, its mate and its guild.
MP,
For a split of a second, I thought you wrote “autistic Estrada” … heh!
Si Erap ay napagbintangan lang na kanya ang White House sa QC na hanggang ngayon ay dine-deny niya. Kasama yan sa kaso niya. Wala siyang anak na masabing pinagsamantalahan nila ang pagka-Pangulo ng kanilang Ama.
Bakit itong mga Arroyo’s, tig-iisa ang mansion ng mga anak at may mga pag-aari pa sa Amerika. Ano magsalita kayo mga magagaling na kumokontra kay Erap. Isang pagkakamali lang ng tao ay atin ng hinuhusgahan at idinedemanda na pero pagdating sa kapwa niyo elitista na mga Arroyo’s kahit ilan na ang mali wala kayong masabi kundi puro dada lang.
Ano pa ang maisisi niyo kay Erap …. kesa manginginom, nambabae kung ano-ano pa meron pang midnight na kung ano.
Ayaw niyo kay Erap dahil sabihin na natin na hindi siya tapos sa pag-aaral .. hindi siya General, hindi siya Abogado .. o di ba nagkaroon na tayo ng Pangulong nagtapos .. pero ano ang ginawa nila sa ating Bansa .. itong si Glorya pa nga ay nagtapos sa Amerika … ano … magsalita kayo. Ano pa ang kasalanan ni Erap!!!!!!!!
At least, si Erap, puedeng pagsabihan. Amenado ako diyan Tedanz. I actually wrote him before regarding the door-to-door business of his son Jinggoy when he was president that he himself even tried to promote in Japan.
I told him that it was, and still is, considered blackmarketing and illegal because money transactions in Japan could only be engaged in by legitimate banks. Pinahinto niya, and we never heard of that company, JP Express, ever again.
Pinahinto rin niya ang asawa niya noon na pumupunta ng Japan tapos nagbibigay ng mga statement na wala sa lugar gaya ng hihilingin daw niyang ibaba ang edad ng mga Japayuki na ibinubugaw sa Japan kahit na labag sa batas ng Japan dahil sa pinapairal dito iyong Child Welfare Law na hindi puedeng pagtrabahuhin ang mga batang wala pang 18 taon at saka hindi puede sa mga inuman kundi sila 20 taon. Itong si bugaw Gloria, kahit yata katutungtong pa lang ng 12 taon, ibinubugaw na sa ibang bansa bilang “Supermaid” at “Superputa”!
Itong si Gloria Kulimbat, iyong mga bangkong pinoy, inuutusan pang mag-operate discreetly sa Japan para hindi sila sitahin ng mga autoridad dito. Ilan beses na pinagsabihan ang Philippine Embassy na bawal na mag-transact ang mga bangkong pinoy dito ng mga remittances ng mga pilipino dahil puede naman silang magpadala sa mga bankong hapon, pero hindi tinitigil hangga’t di sila nahuhuli.
Ang katwiran ng mga unggoy, hangga’t di pa nakakahalata ang mga hapon, OK ngarud kahit hindi. In short, walang pitagan sa batas, walang moralidad at ubod ng kapal! Mga walang modo sa totoo lang. Parang nagnanakaw pa ng foreign reserves ng Hapon.
Iyan ang pagkakaiba ni Erap kay Gloria sa totoo lang!
Pero kung makakalusot, lulusot din. Iyan ang kasalanan ni Erap! Ang sabi nga ng isang kasama natin dito, he had his chance but he blew it!!!
Gumawa na lang siya ng mga documentary. Baka may pakinabang pa siya!
Tedanz,
Mali ang information mo. Gloria did not finish school in the US. Observer status lang siya sa Georgetown U dahil di siya tinanggap ni Cinco na dating president ng UP noon.
Nagtapos ng undergrad iyan sa Assumption, tapos nag-master sa Ateneo and then someone in UP granted her PhD for a fee daw kaya malaking scandal sabi ng kakilala kong professor doon dahil rehash ng thesis ni Dadong Macapagal ang dissertation niya.
In short, hambug lang, sinungaling pa! Pati nga si Clinton sinabi niyang naging beau niya di naman totoo kasi mismong si Clinton nag-deny na naging kaklase niya si Kulimbat.
The funniest part is when Mikey claimed that his SALN is self-explanatory when he can’t even explain it himself- puro ‘ask my lawyer’ lang ang alam isagot.
@Grizzy
Diba hate mo si Gordon..
There is a possibility that Bayani Fernando and might be a descendant of macabebean traitors dahil dating part ng pampanga ang marikina ayon kay Loarca and Richard Gordon as well because Subic is near pampanga….
Hi Tedanz,
“Ano pa ang kasalanan ni Erap!!!!!!!!”
Allow me this one thought on Erap: He was “caught sleeping” (figure of speech) on the job kaya naisahan siya ni Gloria swapang at ng mga alipores na heneral.
Personally, I don’t give a frig about a politician’s (Erap’s for this matter) “salacious” private life provided it’s out of the limelight and doesn’t impede his/her job; and does not become a basis for political contention that makes it difficult for him/her to do his/her job he/she is required to do and is being paid to do.
That a politician might have 200 children out of wedlock may not be an issue as far as I am concerned provided said politician does not go around moralizing to others or provided these same children (and by extension, their parents, eg., mother or father) do not abuse the political position of their father/mother.
I do have an issue with hard drinking politicians because in my view, hard liquor (as well as illegal drug substances) has an adverse effect on the thinking capacity of most people and is hardly the stuff that one needs to take when making important decisions for the country.
Napaligiran siya ng mga ahas. May mga sariling agenda. Nasaan si Pepsodent Orly Mercado? Ito’y dating defense chief ni Erap. Pero ano ang ginawa? Hinakot niya ang mga traydor na Heneral sa EDSA Ortigas at kinudeta si Erap. Sa totoo lang kampi siya kay Gloriang Pandak.
I don’t even care if a politician/elected official is an atheist — most important thing is that he/she does his job with as much integrity, fairness and determination as he can muster.
Good morals, sense of justice or honour, in my view, are dependent not only on whether one is a God-fearing or God-believing person.
but also on one’s dependent on that person/politician/elected official’s ultimate capacity to determine right from wrong.
Ooops, “not only on whether one is a God-fearing or God-believing person but also dependent on that person/politician/elected official’s ultimate capacity to determine right from wrong.”
I become suspicious when a politician/elected official begins to invoke the name of God (here there everywhere) publicly…
to me, using God as a political marketing gimmick is absolutely tacky.
OT: (From Malaya)
This idiot who brags “No one can…uh… hawak me” has not just dealt his former subordinates a heavy blow, but his former superiors as well. He defines joining rallies and withdrawing support from the president as coup d’etat and a “taking of power”.
With that brilliant testimony of the ultimate testicle-deficient, “vocabularily”-challenged lapdog-turned-diplomat, they should now start arresting and putting in jail his superiors who did exactly what he charges those incarcerated soldiers with.
C’mon, put Angie Reyes, Benjie Defensor, et al. behind bars, too!
Include Senga — he should put himself behind bars too.
Lapdog general! More like it and there are a dime a dozen in the boobuwit’s court. Magkano kaya ang bayad kay Senga bukod sa diplomat position niya? Asspweron will be next on the stand. Expect more lies!
AdeBrux,
Lasing siya noon kaya naka-idlip … heheeeheh
Hate is a strong word, Mumbaki. Dislike is more like it after all the “kabulastugan” he has shown.
From what I have been gathered, Gordon is part American and his Olongapo roots have nothing to do with the kapampangans. He will own more to being Ilocano or the native “ita” there although looking at his sisters, I doubt the lahing ita! 😛
Mumbaki,
As for Marikina being part of Pampanga, and the people there being kapampangan, I doubt. Truth was there was a time, Manila was governed and considered part of Cebu until Intramuros was built and Manila was established, but did it make the people of southern Luzon Cebuano? Nope.
As one who grew up in Manila with an Ilocano mother, definitely will refuse to be identified with what our neighbors then describe as “dugong-aso.”
BTW, I am not a fan of Bayani Fernando either. Kung may lahi siyang dugong-aso, pakialam ko. But I have an uncle who served as Mayor of a town next to Marikina. Lahing British, di lahing dugong-aso! 😛
The following should read, “From what I have gathered…” instead of “From what I have been gathered…” Sorry about that. My Japanese-based computer has the tendency to do such bad grammar check automatically. It does not do so when I write in Tagalog.
Tinanong ko iyong kakilala kong taga-Zambales kung lahi siyang kapampangan, nagalit! Wala raw siyang lahing dugong-aso! So, Mumbaki, I advise that you stop lumping up Filipinos as all descended from the kapampangans, because I doubt this theory!
Simple logic lang naman kasi kung lahat ng pilipino may lahing dugong-aso, parang sinabi mo na lahat ng pilipino talagang walang kuwentang tao dahil dugong aso sila. 😛
Tongue, if there was an attempted coup as Senga put it, di sana pinahuli na sila ni Senga outright! Bakit pinauwi pa sila sa mga bahay nila? Duh! Besides kung babalikan yung mga press releases from the 23rd to the 24th of February, Senga was even saying that Querubin was not even involved and was not relieved. Ngayon iba na ang kuwento niya. Too many inconsistencies sa boobuwit general na ito!
“At Ellen, hindi rin sigurado kung kay Mikey yong mga sasakyan na nakikita sa Google Maps. Puwedeng kuha pa yon nong dating may ari ng bahay.” – Tedanz
Ako ang nag-email ng photo na yon. Google photos whether in Earth or Maps used to be updated within 1 to 3 years. But ever since Google started selling the service, they have shortened it to two years max, requiring them to buy photos from suppliers more frequently. It is highly probable that the pic was taken after Mikey has bought it, but proving the cars are his is a separate issue.
As for Marikina being part of Pampanga, and the people there being kapampangan, I doubt. Truth was there was a time, Manila was governed and considered part of Cebu until Intramuros was built and Manila was established, but did it make the people of southern Luzon Cebuano? Nope.
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@Grizzy,
Marikina was considered a part of central luzon and kapampangan during prehispanic times according to Loarca and Tondo was Kapampangan as well pati rin ang Rizal province kaya merong Baras sa Rizal at Baras sa Lubao,Pampanga at morong sa bataan at rizal,the border between southern luzon and central luzon was pasig river,They changed their language because they don’t wanna be associated with the macabebeans,Majority of the native surnames there are kapampangan such as Pangan,Payumo,Malonzo,Cunanan and Pineda…
As I said there is also a possibility that Mike Arroyo is related to those Macabebeans since he claims that he has ancestors from Marikina…
Loarca, who, Mumbaki? Never heard of this when I was studying history under Agoncillo as a matter of fact. If I were you, I would not quote from this guy. Papaano niyang alam when almost all records during pre-Spanish time were destroyed by the ignoramuses from Spain.
Truth is I hate lumping up the people of Luzon with the keningburimo. Sa lenguahe na lang ke layo-layo. Kahit nga iyong salita sa Malolos ke layo layo sa salita ng mga taga Apalit, Pampanga, which is I guess the nearest town to Bulacan.
Hindi naman pareho ang tagalog sa kapampangan, not even to Bicolano. Mas sasabihin ko pang mas kamag-anak ng mga pilipino in towns facing the Pacific iyong mga Chamorro. Puede pa siguro iyong lumping up na ang pilipino karamihan ay lahing Malay o Indonesian. Iyan mas mapapaniwalaan ko pa.
Maraming dapat pang galugarin tungkol sa pinanggalingan ng mga pilipino sa totoo. Ako nga, nahirapan sa paghahanap ng genealogy ko sa totoo lang. Buti na lang intact iyong mga record ng ninuno for instance ng nanay ko sa UK at iyong sa ama ko sa Japan.
Si Mike Arroyo, related doon sa mga Lacson. In fact, may web site nga sila trying to link their ancestry to the Lacson of Negros and Panay.
Iyon Marikina root ng unggoy, amenado naman ang ungas na iyong coolie na intsik na nuno niyang galing sa Fookien ay napadpad lang sa Marikina. Mismong si Gloria Kulimbat pinagyabang iyan sa mga intsik nang magpunta siya sa Tsina.
Claim pa nga ng mga ungas, nangabayo lang daw ang nuno ni Pidal, naangkin na lahat ang lupaing sakop nila kahit na tiyak puro landgrabbed ang mga iyon! 😛
I have a suspicion na inutusan lang iyong nagnakaw ng mga materials sa archives na gumawa ng mga ganyan istorya of Marikina being populated by Macabebens para lang maging valid ang claim nilang kanila ang buong Marikina just in case madeklara si Gloria Kulimbat na reyna. Simple logic lang naman ang kailangan, kita mo nang galing ito sa mga switik!
Di dapat pinababayaan ang mga ganyang unfounded claims sa totoo lang.
Next time we hear of these crooks, at nakalusot iyong mga properties nila sa Tate, baka sabihin nila someday, sila din ang nag-discover ng California! Hahahahahahahaha!
From A. Sayo:
This is a good move —- late —- but still good
Tinanong ko iyong kakilala kong taga-Zambales kung lahi siyang kapampangan, nagalit! Wala raw siyang lahing dugong-aso! So, Mumbaki, I advise that you stop lumping up Filipinos as all descended from the kapampangans, because I doubt this theory!
i second the advise. it is very annoying and also out of topic.
Yuko,It is true that most filipinos came from one group,in the same way as chinese people but some of tribes dont belong to that group,those people from the mainstream group have a common culture like the han chinese in china do and that culture is different from the ones in indonesia…
Thank you doon sa mga sinabi ninyong mga advices,corrections at criticisms.
Doon naman sa tungkol diyan kay Mikey Arroyo,nakita ko ang mga movies niya sa totoo lang nakakasuka ang acting niya,ang yabang niya akala mo kung sino..
Nanood ako nang film ni Robin Padilla na kontrabida si Mikey sa bus bagay talaga sa kanya ang role na iyan.
Mumbaki:
The Cunanans of Pampanga in Ilocos, if there are, as you claim, must have just settled there just like what my British-mestiso ancestor, who was from Binondo did when he married a native lass there, but his name died out because there were not enough male descendant to carry on the name.
The Cunanans may have the same fate especially if they return to where they have come from, and their settling in Ilocos is not indication enough that Ilocanos, too, have kapampangan blood.
In short, you cannot lump up people in Manila, etc. as having ancestry originating from Pampanga, for I doubt that theory even if it is in Wikipedia especially with information coming from people who want to clear themselves of the stigma attached to them for what their ancestors did betraying their own kind, earning for themselves the unpalatable name, “dugong aso.”
Also, some words may have crept into another language but it doesn’t mean they are one and the same in the same way that there are just too many words of Spanish and English in the Philippine languages, but they are not cataloged as European languages, not even included in the family of those so-called “Latin languages.”
End of the story.
Also, some words may have crept into another language but it doesn’t mean they are one and the same in the same way that there are just too many words of Spanish and English in the Philippine languages, but they are not cataloged as European languages, not even included in the family of those so-called “Latin languages.”
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@grizzy
I did not say they are one and the same what i said is there is a dialect continuum in the philippine language group in short there are dialects that are between those languages or transitional in short nasa pagitan sila and it does not mean those languages involved are one and the same,actually many of those kind of dialects were destroyed because of the resettling of the natives by the spanish which had caused the language barriers to be sharp,fortunately there are still remnants of this continuum(s) which should be studied….
Mumbaki, as I have said before, I do not encourage out of topic comments because it destroys the flow of discussion.
If you want to have an indepth discussion with another blogger here on a topic of particular interest to you, you can ask me for his or her email and if he or she agrees, I can give it to you. You can then conduct your discussion on the topic lengthily.
Thank you.