I welcome the news that Pope Benedict XVI will soon be allowing Catholic churches to hold Tridentine masses.
A Washington Post report last Friday said:
“Pope Benedict XVI has drafted a document allowing wider use of the Tridentine Mass, the Latin rite that was largely replaced in the 1960s by Masses in English and other modern languages, a church official said yesterday.
“The official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said the pope told colleagues in September that he was writing the document “motu proprio,” a Latin phrase for on his own initiative, and that it was in its third draft.
‘”There will be a document, it will come out soon, and it will be significant,” the official said. Benedict “will not let this be sidetracked,” he added.”
It is not exactly surprising. The Pope has always been known as conservative. An Agence France Presse report said as far back as 1989, he wrote that reform of the liturgy “has become even more distant from what was intended by Vatican Two. We have a liturgy that has degenerated into a show, in which there is an attempt to make religion interesting with the help of fashionable follies and seductive moralizing maxims.”
I couldn’t agree more.
For the past ten years, I have been attending masses at the beautiful hillside Our Lady of Victories church of the Society of Saint Pius X at No. 2 Cannon Road in New Manila, Quezon City.
The SSPX is Roman Catholic congregation founded by French Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre in Switzerland in 1970 to train traditional priests and keep the traditions of the Church opposing the drastic reforms decided by Vatican II (1962-1965 Second Ecumenical Council of the Vatican) which was considered a major undertaking to make the Roman Catholic Church relevant to modern times.
One of the major reforms introduced by Vatican II was the change in the church liturgy. The Second Vatican Council called for the “full, conscious, active participation” of the laity in the Mass. As a result, the new Sunday Mass has three readings from Scripture, instead of two, and some may be done by lay people. The priest usually faces the congregation and must give a homily each Sunday; in the Tridentine Mass, the priest faces the altar, with his back to the congregation, and a sermon is optional.
While the Tridentine Mass contains only one version of the Eucharistic prayer – the moment when Catholics believe the bread and wine become the body and blood of Christ – the new Mass offers nine additional versions.
The mass at Our Lady of Victories Church brings me back to my childhood days where women wore veils and communion was received at the altar communion rail, kneeling, and only from the priest. The whole ceremony, including the music, is solemn and glorious.
I follow the mass in Latin through my missal. No problem with the sermon (delivered by the priest facing the congregation) because it is in the language understood by the congregation. Sometimes it’s in English and sometimes, in Tagalog.
I was led to the SSPX in the 1992 by a friend in Paris. We used to attend mass at St. Nicholas du Chardonnet at the 5th arrondissement in the center of Paris, where six Sung masses are celebrated back to back Sundays.
The history of the occupancy of SSPX of St. Nicholas du Chardonnet is as controversial as the Society’s beginnings. In 1977 the growing number of “traditionalists” decided to take over the church and expelled the priests who were celebrating the New Mass (Novus Ordo). City authorities didn’t approve of it but SSPX was never expelled because it was decided that the public order resulting from an expulsion would be higher than that resulting from the illegal occupation.
Last Friday’s news report said “The change might, however, help to heal a rift between the Vatican and followers of the late Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, a French prelate who bitterly opposed the Second Vatican Council’s decisions. Benedict has reached out to Lefebvre’s followers, signaling that he would allow them to use the old Mass in return for their recognition of his authority.”
This supports what SSPX had been saying that that contrary to claims by some sectors that the Lefebvre’s followers have been excommunicated, “the regular negotiations still going on between the Holy Father and the Society of St. Pius X are proof that this Society has neither given way on Doctrine nor broken off with Rome.”
The SSPX insists that Archbishop Lefebvre was not among those excommunicated by Rome for consecrating four bishops without permission from the Pope. (He had to do it because he knew he was not going to live long and Rome was sitting on his petition to consecrate the bishops he had trained according to “traditional ways of the church.”)
The AFP report said the expected papal decree “threatens to complicate the life of the church.” It quoted Archbishop Robert Le Gall of Toulouse warning that “bi-ritualism would be difficult to manage. It would exacerbate differences between modernists and traditionalists and discourage those who had worked hard to develop a theology of the Mass.”
I agree it would not be easy. But Pope Benedict’s reaching out to them should make the traditionalists reassess their rigidity, especially their belief that theirs is the only way to salvation.
Much as I find the Tridentine Mass a more conducive form of worship I don’t think it’s the only way acceptable to God.
Nevertheless, I look forward to attending a mass in a neighborhood church with the priest setting the solemnity of the celebration with “Introibo ad altare dei” as he approaches the altar.
Does anybody here speak fluent latin? Is it about trusting one faith and not necessarily the understanding of the language? And how would one be able to follow the good teaching if one don’t understand the words being conveyed? Amen!
Toney, there are missals available with English translations side by side with Latin.
Besides, if you are familiar with the sequences of the Mass and the meaning of every act in the Mass, there is very little translation needed. The sermon, anyway, is in English or Tagalog, whatever language the congregation is more familiar with.
Like the phrase I quoted in the article, “Introibo ad altare Dei” (I will go in unto the altar of God). Once you are familiar with that, when you hear that at the beginning of the Mass when the priest is approaching the altar, you now join him in the act of worship with the Lord.
There are also the phrases “Kyrei, eleison” (Lord have mercy) and “Christe, eleison” (Christ, have mercy on us). Once you understand it, it’s easy to follow the Mass.
But Toney, if the Tridentine mass is revived, it doesn’t mean the New Mass will be abolished. The parishioners will simply be given choices.
Ellen:
I’ve nothing against latin mass, it perhaps will help bring back those people that lost faith with the church due to all the changes that were happening. And also the way the direction the church is taking their flocks, e.g. Cardinal Sin. My personal preference, I like something simple and uncomplicated. I love something that need no translation when someone tells me things (what did the priest said or I didn’t understand what he said). I don’t agree to choices, I believe it should be one standard to all to avoid confusion. The church has no longer believe in the old tradition, the old way and now trying all kind to attract church goers.
And my argument to you Ms Ellen, I was born Pilipino and my language is Pilipino and I go to church at least that I want anyone talking to me with a fork tongue or something very strange. Nothing fancy, “introibo ad altare dei”,I must admit sounds very impressive. But, does the church want to impress the church goers, or just simply spread the good words of god, and it doesn’t have to be in latin.
Just for argument sake, how many Pilipino are very educated that really willing to accept latin in the church? Or I should say, how many Jose Rizal that speak numerous language?
Furthermore, latin is for the Roman, Italian and not actually design for Pilipinos. I think the biggest problem we’ve in the Philippines is that we’re trying to adopt other cultures instead of re-structuring our own language. Certainly, Pilipino language is technically deficient, yet it seems no one has taken the time to really structured the Pilipino language instead we use English to prepare our Kababayans for employment overseas so they can at least compete with other foreigners. Just imagine how many language or dialect are being spoken in the Philippines now? This is another that setting us back, since sometime we can’t communicate with each other.
Ellen:
Ellen, eleison on me. “It’s easy to follow the mass.” It’s easy for you to say! You’re one exception to the rule.
Ellen:
How do you say au revoir in latin?
ellen, does it has something to do with REVELATION 17 in the bible? or is it a preparation of pope benedict XIV for what was predicted as the resurrection of pope john paul II (but) impersonated by the devil as the eighth and last pope?
Toney Cuevas Says:
October 16th, 2006 at 11:23 am
I think the biggest problem we’ve in the Philippines is that we’re trying to adopt other cultures instead of re-structuring our own language.
paano tayo magkakaroon ng sarili at tunay na pagkakakilanlan kung ang ating mga lider mismo ay hindi gustong yakapin at pagyamanin ang ating sariling wika at kaugalian? para bang nahihiya ang karamihan sa ating mga mambabatas na magsalita sa hapag ng kongreso at senado na ating sariling wika? sa halip na ang pambansang dangal ang pagtuunan ng pansin ng ating mga namumuno, mas inuuna pa nila ang paggawad ng karangalan sa mga miyembro ng pamilya nila upang malagay sa talaan ng kasaysayan ng pilipinas sa panahon ng kanilang panunungkulan. pinapalitan ang pangalan ng mga existing landmarks bilang parangal sa kanilang mga kamag-anak.
1st a “lapse in judgement” in giving a “negative remarks” regarding Islam, that “stirred” a lot of “noise” from most Muslims, especially the “hardliners”…now, this document, decree, order…or whatever term it is, that would “make the now complicated” Roman Catholic Church “situations” more complicated. Pope Benedict XVI is in “real hurry” to leave his “mark” on the Church’s HISTORY.
or he’s just plainly “playing politics” in the Roman Catholic Church organization?
Hi Ellen,
Re: “if the Tridentine mass is revived, it doesn’t mean the New Mass will be abolished. The parishioners will simply be given choices. ”
We already have it in our parish.
Ellen:
Is somebody moderating me because a message something in this loop that I read in a book on exorcism. Why is it not here anymore?
This should read: Is somebody moderating me because a message I posted in this loop that I read in a book on exorcism was removed.
Why is it not here anymore?
Sorry, I found this in another loop. Hontoni baka!
I’m not Catholic so I am not in a position to make comment on this Catholic ritual, but once I read a book on exorcism and one of the things mentioned there was the practicality of having prayers in the language spoken by majority of the congregation because of instances of priests under devil possessions praying to the devil in fact in what actually was turned into a black mass with unsuspecting congregation. That was rather chilly.
In our church, we have services conducted in the national language of the country where the service is held, or in the language spoken by the majority of the congregation. We do not actually have those complicated rituals. There is just the breaking of bread and the partaking of the Sacrament.
However, Mrivera, I would not accuse the Pope of being possessed by the devil although I surely wish he would concentrate more on the Catholics than meddle in the politics of trying to convert the Moslems to Christianity. There are a lot of them lost souls out there, including the Bansot who claims to be talking to God, and yet will not have any qualms telling lies, cheating and stealing things she does not have any right to take possession of. They need to be taught the real Gospel of Jesus Christ, not the Gospel of Gloria Pidal and her Sacerdote, Jose Pidal!!!
Faith is in fact a gift. It is not something that should be forced on anyone.
ystakei, please give me your mail address thru ellen’s and i will send you an article where i based my post. anna, please send yours, too. or, maybe everyone can go to http://www.worldlastchance.com
talaga naman. kinopya na nga mali pa. should read pope benedict XVI not pope benedict XIV. sorry, tao lang.
Mrivera:
I believe you because I read the same things in the Bible. Right now, I am expounding on Isaiah and his prophecies of the last days, but you and I have no proof that he is the one being mentioned in the Scriptures or not.
Right now, the concentration is for us to be ready for the Second Coming of Christ, who has promised to send the Holy Ghost to help us not be deceived by false prophets in our time or the last days.
Ellen may send your addy to me. Thanks.
By he, Mrivera, I meant the Catholic Pope. I have not read him in fact, so I have not much to say about him, yet.
Ellen. I think it is more enlightening to the parishioners if the mass is in the languange they most understand. Di sabi nga we go to church to…HEAR THE MASS! And FAITH comes by hearing the words of God. So I think Faith will come if people understand the message. Latin mass was used before because that is the widely accepted language during that time in those places where Christianity was spread. So ngayon na kalat na ang WORD OF GOD, DAPAT IN THE LANGUAGE NA NAIINTINDIHAN NG MASA! Baka matulog lang o MANOOD ang tao sa misa.