Update on Scarborough shoal:
Statement of Foreign Secretary Albert del Rosario April 14, 2012, 6:50 pm.:
“As I said earlier, my meeting with Amb. Ma last night resulted in a stalemate. Notwithstanding, Amb. Ma has asked if we could commit to no surprises until we meet again to which I agreed.
“However, today, we received reports that the Philippine Coast Guard that 1) China sent back one of its white ships bringing the number of Chinese ships in the area back to two;2) A white Chinese aircraft with blue stripe was also sighted conducting flybys near Philippine Coast Guard vessel; and 3) A white Chinese ship harassed a Philippine-registered vessel with 9 French nationals which has been conducting archaelogical surveys.
“It appears there is an element that is lacking in our negotiations. I seek a deeper element of trust from our Chinese friends.”
The latest incident in Scarborough shoal reminds us of the issue of the non-inclusion of the sandbar, also known as Panatag , in the country’s baseline which was one of the points of conflict between the Department of Foreign Affairs and Sen. Antonio Trillanes IV in 2008. Trillanes was then in detention
Last Sunday, the Chinese fishing vessels were sighted in Scarborough shoal which is 124 nautical miles from Zambales. The intrusion was confirmed by BRP Gregorio del Pilar, the country’s lone modern naval patrol frigate acquired from the US last year, was on its way to Northern Luzon as part of the contingency measures for North Korea’s rocket.
BRP Gregorio del Pilar found eight Chinese fishing boats with sizable quantities of endangered marine species, corals, live sharks and giant clams. But it didn’t make any seizures of the illegal cargo or arrests of the fishermen.
A VERA Files report by Tessa Jamandre said, “ The Philippine Navy’s cautious move is in accordance with President Aquino’s guidance of “white to white, gray to gray.” “White to white” means civilian ships are to deal only with civilian ships, in this case the Philippine Coast Guard to the Chinese Marine Surveillance. “Gray to gray” means navy to navy.
“This directive sprung from the Reed Bank incident last year when China’s marine surveillance ship warded off the Philippine commissioned seismic vessel Voyager. The President has said that Coast Guard will take the primary role of enforcing maritime laws.”
That’s why while China was sending three vessels – Chinese Marine Surveillance ships, the Philippine government pulled out its lone modern naval patrol frigate acquired from the US last year. It sent instead a Philippine Coast Guard l search and rescue vessel.
Retired Navy Commodore Rex Robles , who was the deputy commander of the Western (Palawan) Command when the Chinese occupation of Mischief Reef was discovered in 1995, said the leadership did right by pulling out the BRP del Pilar.
But, he said, we should not be deceived by the civilian status of the Chinese surveillance ships. “They are not exactly unarmed,” he said.
The Philippines is no match to the military might of China but Robles said “a weak country has weapons that stronger countries do not have.” He said the Philippines does not have to limit itself to diplomacy.
“The Philippines can be a lightwing bird against a fire-breathing but slow moving dragon, “ he said.
Robles’ suggestion brings to mind a news report of the May 23, 1999 incident in Scarborough shoal where the Philippine Navy’s BRP Rizal sank a Chinese fishing boat. The Navy’s report said , “While the crew of BRP Rizal was preparing for boarding and search operations, the very rough sea condition flung the Chinese into BRP Rizal, causing the fishing junk to sink.”
Not intentional,right?
When the Philippines had to define the country’s baselines needed to determine our continental shelves for submission to the United Nations Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf, Sen. Trillanes was the first one to file a baselines bill.In his version, Scarborough Shoal was included in the baselines primarily because he said,” its distance from Luzon is less than the 125nm limit.”
“ With this, our country stands to gain approximately 14,500sq nm of EEZ and continental shelf,” he added.
The Arroyo government version, which was what became law, designated Scarborough as” regime of islands.”
As regime of island, it is still part of Philippine territory but as Trillanes pointed out, Scarborough Shoal is basically a rock and according to para 3 of Art. 121 of the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea, the regime of islands definition has an exception and that is: “Rocks which cannot sustain human habitation or economic life of their own shall have no exclusive economic zone or continental shelf.”
“We would be depriving ourselves of the EEZ and continental shelf of Scarborough Shoal if it would be designated as a regime of islands,” he said.
(Update:Trillanes has sponsored the Aquino administration bill on Maritime Zone and Archipelagic Sealanes which would implement the Baselines law. Maybe, without amending the law, there would be a way to correct its inadequacies.)
A DFA official justified the non-inclusion of the Scarborough Shoal in the country’s baseline with a technical explanation about protrusions. But the main reason,he said, was they didn’t want to provoke China because “what are we going to do if they attack us?”
Greed also was a factor. Foreign Affairs officials also said there was also pressure from Malacanang for them not to displease the Chinese who were dangling big-ticket investments like the NBN/ZTE, Northrail, Diwalwal mining.
The Philippine’s weak stance encouraged China to move aggressively in disputed areas within the 200 nautical mile Philippine exclusive economic zone.
Our policy makers should take heed the Chinese philosopher Sun Tzu’s advice about the clever combatant not allowing the enemy to impose his will on him.
As Robles said, a militarily weak country is not without weapons.There are many things a fox can do that a lion can’t.
ellen maliwanag na gustong palabasin ng mga singkit na kayang-kaya nila ang Pilipinas dahil sa pangungunsinte nila sa mga kababayan nilang manguha ng mga endangered minerals sa teritoryong sakop ng Pilipinas. Sa praning na Nokor kaya sila mangisda kung uubra kalokohan nila.
we are well spread around the world,we can always have our sweet revenge.Filipinos are not cowards. Pnoy do not give them even an inch.They are in our backyard.We die if it is needed but first we shoot the coward among us…
Way back when Spanish and Portuguese Fishermen were violating the Ban on using under sized nets ang harvesting protected species, the the Minister of Fisheries sent in the coast guard to cut their fishing nets and presented th before the UN as evidence. And another Time , trying to outrun the coast guard patrol out of the EEZ a continuous Burst of .50 cal machine guns fire across their bows made them surrender their ships. Well, violators of the law of the sea can only obey the law of force.
Lightwing bird vs a slow-moving dragon? I reiterate my proposal to setup signboards in Philippine-claimed islets which read: “Bawal umihi dito. Multa P2,500. By Order: Barangay Pag-asa, City of Puerto Princesa, Palawan.”
Again, Gloria Arroyo must held accountable for territorial treason by declaring the Scarborough Shoal as a mere regime of islands (Baseline law or Republic Act 9522). The country had effectively lost full sovereignty over Scarborough Shoal and the Kalayaan Group of Islands, thus subjecting our claim over these islands to mere diplomatic resolution.
This Baseline law or Republic Act 9522 must have cost the
Chinese government millions of dollars.
You guessed it right, Yehey.
# 5 and 6
Teka muna. Bakit Gloria lang?
Did she enact the law? Or was it passed by people now connected with the sainted one?
Huwag puro galit. Isip ng konti.
Good point, SnV.
Re update, the Chinese is really bullying us. What do we do with a bully?
Two chest thumpers were embarrassed last week.
The NOKORs, who launched their kwitis, and the Philippines, with our second hand warship na umatras.
Better to take the issue to the International Court to avail of the support of the international community. After all, malakas tayo sa legal; China, walang puntos sa legal.
He who dictates the terms of battle wins.
Hamunin niyo si Pacquiao sa suntukan, bugbog saradao kayo. But if Pacquiao is challenged by Wesley So to a chess match, pupusta ako hindi tatagal ng ten moves ang laban.
Inuudyukan tayo ng Kano, para sumandal tayo sa kanila, and to justify their presence in the area. Nagbarilan ba ang mga Europeans sa away nila (Germany, UK, Sweden) over rights in the North sea? Hindi. Nakuha sa legal.
Notice how China is getting provocative? Because they can predict the response of this government. Alam nilang may war freak, at alam nilang wala namang binatbat. But it keeps the seeming military action in play, and prevents the opponent (Philippines) from acting where it is strong.
Obvious squid tactics yan, kagat naman ang administration. It is not helped by the balisong rattling of the President, and the response of the Pinoy in terms of duwag versus patay-kung-patay, ang mamatay ng dahil kay PNoy.
Go to Court.
And please, do not send De Lima.
If I remember correctly, it was Miriam’s version of the baseline, which considered a less aggressive stance on Scarborough, which was on the final Senate version instead of Trillanes’ which would have included Scarborough Shoal within Philippine territory.
Haharap ba ang China sa asunto?
It will be forced to. It is a signatory to the treaty. In fact, may judge (Zhi Guo)sila sa International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea
The latest incident was considered a “civilian” problem thus only the Police or Coast Guard is needed, the Philippine Navy’s presence is, therefore, overkill. They had to turn over to the Coast Guard.
Remember, white-to-white, gray-to-gray.
Paano kung hindi humarap? Pwede ba’ng in absentia?
what is happening is a very clear sign of bullying. what can we do for now? nothing, that is the reality because we are such a poor nation. this is the reason why we need to unite and forget about politics, we need to rise as a nation to gain respect and literally to modernize our Armed Forces.
let us not expect the Americans to help us, why are they so quiet this time. let us always remember that they will prioritize their personal national interest over us. may i remind everyone, the Americans did sell us a warship pero Vietnam vintage pa pala.
this is also so with the other Asean members who refused to have a united Asean stand on the issue. their personal interest conflicts with us.
kahit paano tama si Erap, walang tutulong sa Filipino kung hindi kapuwa Filipino.
what is happening is a very clear sign of bullying. what can we do for now? nothing, that is the reality because we are such a poor nation. this is the reason why we need to unite and forget about politics, we need to rise as a nation to gain respect and literally to modernize our Armed Forces.
let us not expect the Americans to help us, why are they so quiet this time. let us always remember that they will prioritize their personal national interest over us. may i remind everyone, the Americans did sell us a warship pero Vietnam vintage pa pala.
this is also so with the other Asean members who refused to have a united Asean stand on the issue. their personal interest conflicts with us.
kahit paano tama si Erap, walang tutulong sa Filipino kung hindi kapuwa Filipino.
kay Dan 1067, ang North Korea at China ay magkasabwat. North Korean’s biggest ally is China. the other country within the region na kakampi nila ay Cambodia, Laos at Burma. ang Vietnam, hindi papalag, maglalaro muna at ganuon din ang Indonesia at Malaysia. realidad, nag iisa tayo at kailangang umunlad para hindi maapi.
Brazil sued the United States before the World Trade Organization, over issues involving cotton.
Talo ang higante, nag-appeal, talo pa rin.
http://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/dispu_e/cases_e/ds267_e.htm
Goliath fell because David dictated the terms of battle. Hindi kita kaya ng mano-mano, so sa malayuan kita kukunin. Maliit ako, mahirap asintahin. Malaki ka, kahit hindi ako umasinta, tatamaan ka.
Hehehe, dadaganan na lang kita!
Kung umaasa kayong bubuhusan tayo ng LIBRENG armas ng US gaya ng ginagastos nila sa Pakistan, Egypt, Israel kahit na hindi naman “Major non-NATO ally” gaya ng Pinas, nananaginip kayo. Eksampol, sa Egypt, $30B lang naman ang ginagastos ng Tate taun-taon.
Ang arms trade ang isa sa pinakamalaking negosyo ng Amerika kundi man pinakamalaki. Bakit tayo tatapunan ng LIBRE samantalang ang pinakamalalaking customer nila ay nandito sa paligid? E di magtatampo yung mga bumili at tatakbo na lang ng Russia, o China para doon bumili.
Kaya ba nating tapatan yung Taiwanese Air Force na kung umorder ng fighter jets ay 200 piraso?
Yung Indonesia na nagproject ng 160 Sukhoi Jets sa Russia binigyan ni Obama last year ng 24 na F16 ng libre baka sakali mailipat sa US yung oordering fleet, may pantapat ba tayo?
Ang Royal Malaysian Air Force, halu-halong Su-30, MiG-29, F-5, MK-20, at F-18 Hornet sandamukal din, pwera pa mga hindi fixed wing gaya ng Eurocopters, SA-316, at maraming Sikorsky choppers. Ano’ng laban natin?
Tayo sarangola’t tirador na lang?
xonix, I stand corrected. Magkarugtong nga ang bituka ng China at Nokor at trading partners pa sila dahil ang territorial boaders nila ay nasa pagitan lang ng manipis na ilog. Sa usapin ng territorial disputes, isa lang ang masasabi ko…… Kawawang Pilipinas!
Yes lets file cases just to document and remind China we are not bowing down for every incident BUT i warn you that is going nowhere in China’s point of view. Remember two things:
– China does not play fair.
– China sit in the UN Security Council as a permanent member.
I think media and the navy did good by telling people of every incursion.
The best weapon the Philippines has is to remind the world that China is “the Enemy.” That it is a bully.
China having lust to be the number 1 country for decades, can not have that reputation tarnish its gold medal when it climbs up the platform.
Public relations goes a long long way when it comes to dealing with China. Its a battle they don’t really handle well. They simply resort to things like the great firewall of China and simply no comment. Transparency is key and that is the best weapon we have.
tama si saxs,nakakainis lang,nagmumukha tayong kawawa…ayon tumakas harap harapan wala tayong magawa…
#10 SnV,,,,,,,,,I think you are very wrong. Predicting it won’t reach ten moves. Ni baka hindi maumpisahan. Because he doesn’t know how to play. Lalu na how to move the knight & bishop. Maybe kung nasa barberya siya you what kind of game they play.
for all we know grade two lang yata ang inabot niya. do you think magiging mabango siya kila Chabit, Lito Atienza and the like W/O his millions of $ dollars.
Re #12, Tongue, you are right. I think Angara was also the co-author. I’m not sure what committee did he chair then that involved in the baselines study.
Miriam was then the chair of the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations.
http://www.ellentordesillas.com/2008/03/13/trillanes-statement-on-baseline-bills/
http://www.ellentordesillas.com/2008/09/22/trillanes-quotes-miriam/
SnV, that’s what Justice Antonio Carpio has been saying.
http://www.ellentordesillas.com/2011/11/07/bring-china%E2%80%99s-9-dash-line-to-un-justice-carpio/
“In this crucial battle to secure our EEZ under UNCLOS, the Philippines can never lose to China, unless the Philippines commits an irremediable blunder like bringing the battle outside of UNCLOS. We must bring the battle to an UNCLOS tribunal for resolution of the dispute under UNCLOS. Our right to our EEZ in the South China Sea is guaranteed under UNCLOS. UNCLOS will lose its reason for existence if it fails to secure for the Philippines its EEZ. If the Philippines brings the battle outside of UNCLOS, it can never expect to win over China, whether militarily or diplomatically.”
Dahil sa over populated na ang China kaya ganun na lang ang pagiging ganid nila sa lupain. Dapat noon pa tinawag ang west Philippine sea kasi sa amin sa Zambales ang tawag sa coastline south China sea kaya siguro inari ng mga mukhang hipon na yan, baka yong mga fisher folks sa lugar namin pagbawalan na ring mangisda ng mga singkit na yan.
one thing is very clear, we need to stand up as a nation. we need to rise up again. let us work on the economy and not the continuous bickering on politics.
sa totoo lang, corrupt si gma pero ngayon literal na noynoying. pasukan ka pa ng away ng balay, samar at classmates.
kakaawa ang Pilipinas. ang namumuno kasi, lahatin na natin, personal na interest lamang ang inaasikaso.
siguro dapat magkaroon ng tunay na pagbabago sa karakter natin pati ang pagmamahal sa bayan kulang na kulang tayo.
nakakalungkot pero ito ang realidad.
Got by email:
Oh, my…
Anyway, I have two comments:
1. If Scarborough Shoal could qualify as a base point under the regime of archipelagos under the UNCLOS, we certainly would have included it. But it does not qualify because it’s greater than 125 miles from the nearest point on Luzon.
2. We had attempted in the past to install markers or NAVAIDS on some of the rocks in the KIG to complete the loop but not having done so before the Declaration on the Code of Conduct on the SCS (DOC), we could not anymore, thus the Regime of Islands approach for the KIG.
When the idea of regime of islands came about, it certainly could apply to KIG but probably not to Scarborough Shoal as explained in the article. The debatability there, I suppose is the fact that even if we use the regime of islands approach as a rock, the Scarborough Shoal will still be part of Philippine territory (with its own 12-mi territorial limit) and will certainly still be part of the 200 mi economic zone of the Philippines.
Indeed Scarborough Shoal had been identified even way back as a hazard with a light operated by the Philippine LHS. We last restored it in 1992 during my watch as CPCG and had a Notice to Mariners issued accordingly.
Chuck Agustin
#21. Bakit nga ba?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_k0Xgz8i8JI&feature=fvwrel
To all of you who have posted your reply about in this topic bear in your minds:
>>>>>War is not the answer in the issue of the Spratlys<<<<<
re: Chuck Agustin’s email
It’s not greater than 125 mi. According to many references, it’s `124 mi.