That would have meant surrender to those who want her position to those who are lusting for it. De Lima has decided she will not grant those people their wish.
She has been persuaded not to resign even as the decision of the President to disregard the recommendations of the Incident Investigation and Review Committee on the Aug. 23 hostage debacle that she headed was something that was not easy for her to take.
De Lima said IIRC members knew that they were a recommendatory body but she could not help commenting that she did not agree with the exoneration of recently retired chief of the Philippine National Police Jesus Verzosa.
“Although he has retired already and even if it’s not in the [hostage crisis] manual, the IIRC believes that as chief PNP he should have monitored the hostage crisis continually and intervened when the situation became problematic,” de Lima said in a TV interview.
But a source close to the IIRC said they never imagined that Aquino would subject their review to another review. As Fel Jaramillo Rosario commented in Facebook, “What was the point of convening the IRRC if there is this team of so-called legal experts in Malacanang, just bidding its time to overturn the IIRC findings? All these posturings about tuwid na daan, detergent agenda, etc are beginning to sicken me. And I AM yellow!”
Actually there was a point, I think it was the time when the President was in the United States, when De Lima and Interior Secretary Jesse Robredo were being subjected to a lot pressure. Toxic elements in the President’s team were poisoning his mind against the two.
De Lima and Robredo got messages through text and other means telling them that they were being arrogant and were bullying the President.
The two had felt that if the President find it difficult to work with them, why would they impose themselves on him. A group in Malacañang people begged them to stay put and not to give those who want to dominate the government for dubious reasons easy victory. As blogger SaxnViolins said, “I would rather De Lima did not resign, and instead, hang on.
“I would not want the portfolio handed on a silver platter to the drug-lord coddling mafia that was extorting from the Alabang boys.”
In the case of Robredo, Aquino himself said last Monday that he is still at the DILG in an acting capacity. We are told that Cavite Governor Ireneo “Ayong” Malicsi, a member of the Liberal Party, has been sounded out for the position.
De Lima is one of the few cabinet officials who are competent and credible. We hope Aquino appreciates that.
Don’t resign please Sec de Lima…
Amen!
There are talks that Puno is the jueteng “Moneybags”. For whom, your guess is as good as mine.
“We looked into the laws and we did not see anything that [Interior and Local Government] Secretary Jesse Robredo and usec [undersecretary] Puno violated,” Mr. Aquino told reporters ….
Ano kaya ang nakita nila de Lime & Co? Sinong paniniwalaan natin dito? Sino ang bobooooooooooooo!!!!!!
De Lima is one of the few cabinet officials who are competent and credible. We hope Aquino appreciates that. – Ellen
Please, please don’t even think of leaving, Sec. de Lima.
Now I’m praying (again) that PNoy be able to think using his talents not of the asslickers and toxic guys around him.
De Lima is one of the few cabinet officials who are competent and credible. We hope Aquino appreciates that. – Ellen
Stay put and ignore the pressure. You are doing an excellent job Sec. De Lima.
President Noynoy Aquino SHAPE UP and learn!
Dear Sec. De Lima, please don’t quit! Remember that it is the Filipino people who will benefit from your job well done, and if you quit, we lose.
I like masha’s analogy in the other thread.
Harriet Miers just overturned Alberto Gonzales.
Only in the PI.
De Lima is one of the best if not the best DOJ Sec we ever had. Just imagine if it’s still the old dog Raul Gonzalez around.
Grrrrr….grrrr…
President Noynoy should be careful in his treatment of DOJ’s De Lima. We all are happy with his granting of amnesty to Trillanes and the Magdalo group; but De Lima should have been consulted if only out of courtesy. Bypassing the DOJ Sec who’s doing a great job is not a healthy sign and move.
Agree, 2b!
Problem is, if De Lima stays put as DOJ, she’d be like Robredo. Everything she does might be by pass by a USec.
double black eye si De Lima nito. Sana hindi siya ma TKO.
Sabi ko na nga ba eh…
De Lima out of the loop on Trillanes et. al. amnesty:
“I was informed [of the plan to grant amnesty] but I was not part of the decision making, so nag-decide na pala (so they’ve decided already),” De Lima said.
Parang palamuti lang epekto ni DeLima. depressing.
Courtesy man lang sana. Ang tindi ng politics sa faction ni Pnoy, halata na meron nanlalason sa kanyang isip…
Chi, kung ako sa kanya magre-resign nalang ako kaysa naman gawin nila akong tanga. Lahat nalang ng mahahalagang desisyon para sa DOJ chief ay maba-by-pass lang ng kung sinu-sino. DOJ chief nga, wala namang silbi.
Naka dalawa na:
1. IIRC report and recommendation watered down.
2. Amnesty for rebel soldiers.
De Lima may be bypassed many times, when it comes to decisions to be made by the President. Who the heck cares? Gusto ko nga yan, hugas kamay ako kung ipinilit at palpak. I can always say the President exercised his prerogative, and he chose somebody else’s advice, not mine.
But the decision regarding prosecution of drug lords, et al, is made solely without input from the President. That is where De Lima will make a difference. Ibigay niyo sa “negotiable” yan, magiging narco-Republic tayo.
When you go down that road, and tolerate drug lords, you end up like Colombia, and now Mexico. Hindi na kaya ng Mexico, kailangan na ng tulong ng Tate.
Naka dalawa na:
1. IIRC report and recommendation watered down.
2. Amnesty for rebel soldiers. ~ Mike
Well, ito ang simula ng pagbagsak ni PeNOY? Ang bilis niyang makalimot…morethan 100 days pa lang siya sa poder ng kapangyarihan e bumigay kaagad siya.
Sino ba dapat ang paglilingkuran niya…ang kanyang mga appointed doggies or ang Sambayanang Pilipino? Drawing lang pala yong sinabi niya na tayong mamamayang Pilipino ang kanyang BOSING.
So, dapat igalang niya ang boseng nang nakakaraming Pilipino at di sa iilan lamang na nakabilang sa BULONG BRIGADE.
Pls. po Madam De Lima never ka magresign kundi maghahari-harian ang mga Bulong Brigade sa innercicle ni PeNOY…ang inaabatan ng mga iyan e maka-pwesto sa gobyerno.
Mike, e kasi gusto ko pasikatin sya ng mga asslickers ni PNoy dahil ilalaban ko syang senadora. 🙂 Kung bast sya magre-resign mababaon lang sya sa limot. Hayaan niya na magkusumisyon ang isang faction ni PNoy. Wala syang laban kapag ang alibi ay “presidential prerogative”, we need her at DOJ.
But the decision regarding prosecution of drug lords, et al, is made solely without input from the President. That is where De Lima will make a difference. Ibigay niyo sa “negotiable” yan, magiging narco-Republic tayo. – atty sax
Ayos! Sure she’ll make a difference on many issues. The high profile ones that PNoy would like to hear/follow his tree and asslickers, ignore na lang nya.
I’m posting my comment doon sa other thread kasi mainit-init pa dito:
“OMG! Why didn’t anyone pointed this out before? It only hit me now. Reading through the matrix Vera Files made comparing the findings and recomendations made by the IIRC and Malacanang, I now knew why PNoy ordered a review. In the case of Puno and Versoza (the only 2 gents who mattered to the critics), the findings were countermanding Pnoy’s order for the use of SAF in the assault and so administrative/criminal proceedings should be initiated against them. This won’t stick. Why? Remember the findings of the autopsy report that all the 8 victims were all shot and killed by Mendoza even before the order to assault was given? This was pointed out clearly by the driver himself. Remember also that De Lima herself pointed out that the hostages themselves were killed by Mendoza and not by friendly fire from the assaulting troops or the snipers. Therefore, kahit US Delta Force pa ang ginamit doon sa rescue, wala ring silbi kasi nga patay na yung mga hostages bago pa man inassault yung bus. The assault order was given as a last resort when Mendoza started shooting his hostages. I don’t know why the IIRC missed this point. Any one cares to refute this?” 😛
De Lima was taken out of the loop in the decision to grant amnesty on purpose. Remember that her stand, together with her fixcals, is to wait for the promulgation of the case by the end of October pa kuno. After languishing in jail for a long time and the case dragging with no sight on end, no thanks to the dilatory tactics, again by the fixcals, can you blame Aquino for giving them amnesty? Di kayo madaan sa magandang pakiusapan kasi na iwithdraw yung kaso kaya hayan, maglupasay kayo ngayon. Pag kinatigan yan ng both Houses of Congress, maghabol na kayo sa tambol mayor. If Ramos did it in 1995, why can’t PNoy? 😛
Henry, kung ganun, dapat pala lahat abswelto. 🙂
Noynoy it seems is Gloria Arroyo in mans clothing. Napaaga ang muntik ng resignation ng isang very visible cabinet member.
Maging effective kaya si De lima ngayong alam niya na meron palang legal team si Noynoy na handang gumawa ng kailangan para labagin ang kanyang mga gawa? Di maglalaon, susunod si De lima na parang tupa sa kagustuhan ng palasyo. So, kung paninindigan niya ang kunsensya niya, di maglalaon na mag-reresign siya ng kusa sa panahon na walang makapapansin.
Sa pakiwari ko mas mabuti ng magresign siya ngayon at subukan pigilin ni penoy at manatili kung pangakuan siyang rerespetohin ni penoy ang kanyang gawain. Total para que pa siya nariyan?
Kung sino-sino pa sinisisi sa kahinaan ni penoy. Si penoy ang may kagagawan ng lahat ng di magandang pangyayari in his first 100 days. Sino pa ba?
Wala naman sigurong masama na isangguni kay De Lima ang pag bigay ng amnesty sa mga rebeldeng sundalo. Out of respect, ika nga sa office of the DOJ at kay De Lima na rin. Di rin naman makapalag si DOJ chief kahit di siya sang-ayon sa gusto ni PNoy kasi nga presidential prerogative, diba 😛
Mike:
Nope. As I have said in previous threads, may kanya-kanyang level of participation silang lahat so dapat ma ascertain yung level of culpability. No question na may tama talaga ang mga lespu sa level nina Magtibay as the On-scene Commander and Santiago as the Commander who has the direct supervision of the unit in charge. Si Lim tama rin namy administrative liability kasi may responsibildad din siya as CMC Chairman pero in a lesser degree nga lang.
Uulitin ko. Kung di lang nabuwang si Mendoza at di namatay ang mga hostages, baka sabitan pa nila ng medalya si Isko at Lim. Ni sa hinagap ng panaginip nila ay di nila maisip na sa malagim na trahedya hahantong ang lahat considering na ng 4 pm ng araw na iyon ay nagpakawala pa ng mga bihag si Mendoza. Oh well, unfortunately, we all knew how it turned out.
Gusto mo talaga ng sagot ha.
It is not the deaths or the possibility of rescue that yields probable cause for an administrative case, but the insubordination in ignoring a direct order of the President (as stated in the IIRC).
May utos ba talaga?
Tinanong ba? O inutos? They are not synonyms to me.
Kaya ko lang naman sinabing dapat pala lahat abswelto kasi sabi mo nga kahit Delta Force pa ang ginamit, tigok din ang 8 na hostages. 😛
Mike:
Sa military parlance, iyan ang tinatawag namin na secrecy discipline. Never telegraph your intentions to the enemy. Outspoken as she is, do u think De Lima would have been able to resist the urge to give interviews to the media about the intention of the President? Your guess is as good as mine. Hehehe. 😛
Jug:
Mabilis natuto yung bata natin. Matapos kantyawan na amateur at parang ‘student council’ ang mga unang araw, marunong ng manorpresa ngayon. Keep it up Mr. President! Keep ur dtractors guessing. Whether they are informed beforehand or not, they will criticize your every move anyway. Let them stew. They can always be amused with who you date next. 😛
Henry:
If PNoy cannot trust his DOJ chief to shut her mouth in public and keeps her out of the loop, why keep her in her post? Diba dapat sibakin na siya? Presidential prerogative ni PNoy yan diba? 🙂
What I know is, a cabinet secretary is appointed by the president, aside from the qualification of the secretary, the trust is very important. Para swabe ang takbo ng kalakaran sa palasyo. But if that trust is gone, then the secretary should be replaced immediately. No reason pa for keeping him/ her a minute longer.
“Tinanong ba? O inutos? They are not synonyms to me.”
Pointless already. The hostages died not because the SAF were not employed, but because Mendoza decided that he was better than all the Special Forces we have combined. This was the gist of the investigation. Were they liable for the deaths of the hostages due to the non-employment of the SAF? No! They were dead before any order to assault was made. Is that not clear enough? Surely Aquino realized that. That’s why he chose not to hold them liable for ‘countermanding’ his order to employ the SAF. That’s why I said, kahit na Delta Force ang ginamit, alaws epek pa rin kasi tigok na nga lahat even before the ORDER to assault was given. Kaya nga bitay turat si Magtibay dahil doon eh. He’s no ordinary ‘scapegoat’. He’s a general. Mistah pa ni Gloria. . .hehehe.
Mike:
Let’s keep it very simple. That was an Executive Decision. The President is not obliged to inform his alter egos unless absolutely necessary. Mahirap na. Marami pa namang sources si Ms. Ellen sa Malacanang. 😛
By the way, on the amnesty issue. Even if De Lima would “leak” the plan of PNoy to grant amnesty to the soldiers thru interviews, it wouldn’t matter since it is a “popular” move by the president. Why the secrecy? Ang obvious lang na kumokontra sa move na ito ay si Gloria at ang kanyang mga galamay. Nagtatalak nga si Mikey sa news kanina para siyang ogag. Hehehe
Of course, Pnoy is the number one, most important public figure in Pinas, it’s just natural that his actions and decisions be subjected to criticism or praise because whatever he does, kahit makipag-date pa, has bearings on the country and people. He wanted to be president, I guess he knows from day one that he won’t enjoy privacy…he should deal with it.
About the nakikipag-date issue ni PNoy. Ang masasabi ko lang eh, ok ang taste ni PNoy pag dating sa chicks. Type! 😛
Chi: #38
Agree ako sa sinabi mo! 🙂
If by ‘popular’ you mean the firestorm it would generate beforehand, nope. You would not want to give your enemies the idea how to sabotage your plan, right? 🙂
Dagok kay de Lima ang decisions ni Pnoy na i-overturn yung ibang recommendations niya. But I admire this woman, hindi siya nagpapadala sa emotions niya at bulong ng iba. May sarili pa rin siyang resolve. Kung baga, rounds 1 and 2 pa lang ito. Mas marami pa siyang laban down the line. She is following her GUT na mas marami pa siyang maitutulong sa mga napabayaang malalaking kaso ng bansa kesa sa mag-resign. Kung si Puno at Robledo eh dedma na lang sa mga issues, de Lima can not be faulted if she hangs on. Sige laban pa!
On the Magdalo case, siyempre papanigan ni de Lima yung kanyang mga fixcals (let me borrow this Henry) who sat on the case throught pandak’s time. I would say, Pnoy’s past with the incarceration of his father, who was also a political prisoner, put a lot of weight on his decision to grant amnesty to the soldiers. Alam niya nag effects nito sa pamilya ng mga nakakulong. Hindi naman pumatay ng mga tao yang mga yan. Isa lang ang kasalanan nila, ANG MAHALIN ANG KANILANG BAYAN! YUng ibang mga opisyal, nagpakasasa sa POWER and MONEY na ibinigay ni pandak sa kanila para pagtakpan ang lahat ng kasamaang ginawa niya.
Whatever firestorm it would generate beforehand, the enemies’ plan to sabotage a “popular” move is doomed to fail. 🙂
People are disappointed with the review of the review. Dapat lang na bigyan ng amnesty si Trillanes :=)
“About the nakikipag-date issue ni PNoy. Ang masasabi ko lang eh, ok ang taste ni PNoy pag dating sa chicks.” — mike
Di ba pedopilya ang tawag diyan …. mukhang ang babata yata ang mga kursunada …. lol 🙂 🙂 🙂
De Tatlo na lang si De Lima. Nabawasan siya sa IIRC .. tapos bawas na naman dito sa amnesty. Meron pa namang tatlo kaya medyo safe pa naman. Pag naubos pa yong tatlo … e di walaaaaaa!!!!! 🙁
I don’t agree with the reasoning of chief presidential legal counsel that since they feel they could not win their case in court, they decided to clear the officials (Puno and Verzosa).
If that’s how all lawyers think, only cases that are sure to win would be filed in court.
As in other things in life, you undertake something because you believe it is right, not because you are sure of winning.
The question should be, did he perform his job according to the law? If not, dapat kinasuhan siya. How can magtibay and other be held accountable while their boss went failed to see the importance of the incident and event went to cagayan de oro. For what? a seminar.
As for Puno, it was not in the manual that he would be the one in charge. That’s because his position is an anomaly.
The president perverted the structure in the DILG to accommodate his gun buddy who is in cahoots with Verzosa. And you expect the manual to be followed?
Absolutely!
Ellen,
Paradoxical as it may sound, i.e., winning, victory, not winning, losing, etc., in military parlance, that is called moral courage.
It also renders Lim liable for attempted murder.
Might not be the first time… I believe Lim is reputed to be “trigger happy.”
Kasalanan pa ni Gregorio, for fearing for his life.
We are hair-splitting here. It is not the arrest, but the commotion produced by the arrest which caused Rolando to start shooting.
Ocho/De Mesa seem to forget that
“He who is the cause of the cause is the cause of the evil caused.”
chanrobles.com/scdecisions/jurisprudence2010/april2010/172896.php
The order of “Dalhin sa Tondo yan” produced the panic of Gregorio, which produced the anger of Rolando. Now ang pagdala sa Tondo is not legal. So further investigation must be had, on whether or not the order was “arestuhin yan” or “dalhin sa Tondo yan”.
On the Magdalo case, siyempre papanigan ni de Lima yung kanyang mga fixcals (let me borrow this Henry) who sat on the case throught pandak’s time. -PSB
We don’t know de Lima’s recommendations on the amnesty issue. Meron bang lumabas o speculations lang?
45. Tedanz, hahaha! ka! Hindi naman oy, lagpas na sila ng daisy, hehehe!
How can magtibay and other be held accountable while their boss went failed to see the importance of the incident and event went to cagayan de oro. For what? a seminar. – Ellen
If Verzosa made Magtibay PNP officer-in-charge while his away, I would have no reservations in blaming/holding the latter accountable for the fiasco. E kaso wala ni ho-ha, basta na lang nya nilayasan ang crisis, sya pa rin ang boss.
Gross Misconduct? Ano administrative lang? Section 3 is just the definition. Section metes out penalties for violation of Section 3. That section imposes criminal penalties, not just administrative sanctions.
Section 9 metes out the penalties.
Recall Election! ‘tangna!
My Gosh, Sec De Lima please DO NOT RESIGN! Ikaw ang pinaka-competent so far sa Gabinete ni PeNoy. Don’t give your position to the pigs! Sangkatutak na Injustices na naman ang sasapitin ng taong bayan. Ikaw ang pang-balanse na mga maaapi.
Chi natural lang na mas magiging matimbang yung mga fixcals ni de Lima dahil sa nasa DOJ siya. She wants to finish the case instead. With pandak out of the picture, for all we know, all these fixcals will judge in favor of Trillanes. Siyempre, inupuan nila yung kaso niya eh. Sabi ni pandak, huwag ninyong palabasin si Trillianes, kaya sunod naman sila ng sunod dahil kung hindi, frozen ang kanilang promotion. Di ba nga ganyan ang pamamalakad ni pandak nun? Takot ang mga taong sumalungat sa kanya kung hindi nandiyan lang yung mga “motorcycle bandit” sa tabi tabi o kaya mauunahan ka ng mga “alaga” niya sa mga promotions.
hindi talga magreresign yan.. too early… pagmalapit na 2013 senatorial elections.. and next time… Sec De Lima, if you will think to resign again and couldn’t respect the decision of the president… just do it! hindi yung sa media naglalabas ng sama ng loob…
Iyon naman pala eh. File the cases in court then. Any taxpayer can do so claiming he was aggrieved by the negligence of these ‘honorable gentlemen’ according to Anna. Kung yung sa Magdalo e umabot ng 7 years baka sa kanila e kalahati lang at madesisyunan na o kaya ipakulam nyo na lang si Puno para lalong lumaki ang tiyan at yagbols a la Erap. Tingnan natin kung di sya kusang mag resign. Jeeez! Stop the fixation on Puno already! Doon na lang sa bagong ka date ni Aquino. At least, di kayo mababanas sa pagmumukha. Jug, bakit kasi mukha pa lang e offense na itong si Puno at napaglilihian yata ng mga kalaban ni Aquino? Pansinin nyo naman si Bert Gonzales. Kung ano-anong gimik na iyong naiisip e di pa rin pinapatulan. Shadow government? Anyone? 😛
sax,
Ipinautos ni Mayor Lim na ipadala si SP02 Mendoza sa Tondo para hindi mainterview ng media… dahil nauna ng nainterbyu ng media si SP02 Mendoza at nanawagaan sa kapatid na ituloy ang balak kung hindi ibibigay ang hiling…
Kung talagang may intensyong pumatay si Mayor Lim, sana ginawa na nya yun kay Sr Insp Mendoza habang nagaganap ang hostage-taking… madaming dahilan si Mayor Lim para gawin yun…
perl:
You will note, I quoted the Ochoa/De Mesa report. I was only adding what, to me, was lacking in their conclusions.
The accusation about “dalhin sa Tondo” was made by both the IIRC report and the report on the report. The accusations were not mine.
Even if De Lima did not pursue her plan of resigning as DOJ Sec., it was good to hear that she considered it as an option and let it known to P-Noy and his “brilliant” legal team.
Dapat lang malaman ng mga nakapaligid kay P-Noy na hindi bulag, pipi at bingi ang ibang miyembro ng cabinete ni P-Noy.
Am just really concern if this same situation will happen with the Truth Commission when their report is submitted to P-Noy. Di ba nakakabahala?
De Lima is like a breath of fresh, cool air after the stench we had to put up with the senile Gonzales…
Lacson should put himself in her hands, if he really wants a fair shake…
the Philippines is a beautiful country, of course there are ups and downs but I would never trade her for anything else… 🙂
Legitimate concern yan Renaldo. Although I am happy that Pnoy finally gave the Magdalos and the Tanay Boys the amnesty, his favoring Puno and Versoza in the hostage taking is not acceptable. If this is what he will do again with the Turorot comisyon ni Davide, bansot will not be prosecuted at all!
Henry,
Extremely sluggable ba talaga tong si Puno? Ganun naman talaga, dapat best friend mo (wingman) pangit para pag magkasama kayong manligaw hindi niya masulot ang hottity na femme. 🙂
parasabayan,
why concern yourself with “what ifs” pinoproblema mo mga bagay na hindi pa naman problema…ang hirap mabuhay na ganyan…look around you, look for things we should be grateful for! get a life! 🙂
“De Lima is like a breath of fresh, cool air after the stench we had to put up with the senile Gonzales…”
I tend to agree with you, Jug. Kaya lang, don’t you think she’s putting our beloved president on the spot? I mean, how can you like her when she should have been the one making palusot for the people PNoy wants absolved and not the President himself.
Gonzales, for all his antics, he was a team player…
Wang-wang : +1 pt.
Ambassadors: -1 pt.
GOCCs : +1 pt.
IIRC : -1 pt.
Magdalo : +1 pt.
Net score : +1 pt.
Positive pa naman.
Tongue:
Ang mawalan ka lang ng weekly tongpats ay matinding kaparusahan na para sa mga lespu natin, tulad nito:
http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/metro-manila/10/13/10/ncrpo-chief-be-relieved-post
🙂
The 48 Laws of Power by Robert Greene and Joost Elffers
Law Number 1: NEVER OUTSHINE THE MASTER
De Lima has just transgressed the first law. Siya ang mukhang bida. Si PNoy mukhang
It’s her head that will roll.
“As for Puno, it was not in the manual that he would be the one in charge. That’s because his position is an anomaly.
The president perverted the structure in the DILG to accommodate his gun buddy who is in cahoots with Verzosa. And you expect the manual to be followed?”
Ms. Ellen, I disagree where you say “to accommodate his gun buddy”. Siguro meron din yon, but I think the more important matter is for PNoy to retain direct control of the PNP via a very trusted conduit, while accommodating the wishes of one faction to have Robredo as DILG chief. You can’t do that without somebody like Puno. The arrangement would have hold if not because the gods have other things in mind…
Great pointers all, Ricelander!
I think you are absolutely spot on:
That is why I agree where PNoy said Puno should not be blamed on anything. He was just a conduit; Noynoy knows it. The poor guy was awaiting instructions that never came or if these came at all, probably in forms he could not himself figure out.
The reality is De Lima was showing PNoy a way out. But no, he won’t bite. He knows it was his fault. It would be unseemly of a friend to junk a friend just to stay in power.
The job of a president is a difficult one. Noynoy’s mistake was to think it’s all about sentiment, a mother dead, a hero for a father and so on and so forth.
Anna, give a great singer the stage, it is his glory. Give it to someone who can’t, it is his hell.
“It’s not indecisiveness. Never mind. It’s lack of…” he told reporters, then pointed his index finger to his head” …. Joker Arroyo.
I hope Joker is wrong,otherwise nakakabahala dahil I believed in the “daang matuwid”. What will happen when there is another crossroad? How will P-Noy and his “brilliant” legal team decides?
Will P-Noy decides to be fair with his friends again?
Secretary Di Lima thinks she is still the Commissioner of Human Rights, instead of being the member of the President’s Cabinet. That whatever her personal opinion on matters critical to the President should not be made Public while she is still on the employ of the President…she can either talk it out with the President and if they can not met in between, then she can quit and say her piece as a private citizen, but not as a member of the Cabinet…that is just a common courtesy to your boss as followed by every cabinet members everywhere.
Now that this thing will soon be decided upon or had been already..the best the President can do is to give the responsibility of the Dept. to its Secretary and that is Secretary Robredo…and it will be incumbent upon Secretary Robredo to delegate responsibilities to his undersecretaries or deputies to which he will be accountable for them…this time there will be no pointing which way is the True North if things go wrong.
Sa tingin ko the issue here is not just common courtesy to your boss but also common courtesy of the boss to someone he appointed as secretary of justice because she believed in her judgment.
This is not a one-way street.
Anybody now can challenge the decisions/recommendations of the Secretary of Justice and have these reviewed by P-Noy’s legal team.
Strong point, renaldo.
Agree with Vic.
I like that Ricelander… it aptly describes what is happening in Malacanang.
But never mind, I have downgraded my “standards” and would rather have this bungling govt we have today than the govt we had under Gloria. Of course, I’d really much prefer that they shape up.
At the outset, President Noynoy might have picked De Lima for her track record as a Human Rights Commission Chairperson decorating a beautiful cake right after his victory. But now, Noynoy might have no need for her to stay due to many aspiring for the juicy position. This was not the first time De Lima was bypassed. Noynoy appointed NBI Director Gadtula without consulting De Lima. NBI is under DOJ.
De Lima must resign to preserve or salvage her honor.
One thing’s certain…I smell a cover-up.
The following was not mentioned in the Ochoa-de Mesa report [“The Review of the Review” (TROTR)]:
After he almost finished reading the Ombudsman’s letter, the angry Rolando Mendoza said this to Orlando Yebra:
[“MENDOZA: Ito, sasampulan ko to sir, tabi, magsialis kayo… di ko kailangan yan sir, walang sinasabi yan …ikaw abogado ka… walang nilalaman yan”]
[TRANSLATION: “MENDOZA (addressing Yebra): This one, I’ll make an example of this one, step aside, go away…I don’t need that (letter), sir, that letter has nothing to say…you, you’re a lawyer…there’s nothing in that (letter)!”]
Mendoza, pissed off, asked the negotiators to leave and then fired a “warning” shot (Romeo Salvador even thought it was directed to him.). Clearly, the hostage taker was now hostile and the hope of a peaceful resolution of the conflict was already diminished. Clearly, the negotiation stopped.
What did the officials think and do as their next course of action? Yebra said his last offer of “provisional reinstatement” for Mendoza was still on. Lim said it was a “waiting game.”
But what really transpired in the “kitchen” meeting of the higher-ups including Yebra? I ask this because at “quarter to 7” (as announced by Michael Rogas) Mendoza already saw SWAT teams deploying. That was also the time (or thereabouts) when Lim and Magtibay left for Emerald.
Isko Moreno also recounted: “By that time Mayor Lim has already left the PCP for Emerald Restaurant. Isko Moreno saw Special Forces with sniper rifles come out behind Manila Hotel and decided to leave believing the crisis has now become a police matter.” He was down-trodden during that time.
There are two things authorities can do: (a) Negotiate, or (b) Assault. Considering that the negotiation bogged down, were they already gearing up for an assault even before Rolando started his killing spree?
With the situation going out of hand, what was really the plan of Lim and Magtibay? “Waiting game” when all the while the negotiation was off and the danger to the hostages was already imminent??? Did they just concentrate their discussion on Gregorio Mendoza’s fate?
The TROTR didn’t tackle the issue but the issue on Gregorio Mendoza was highlighted in it. The latter is a ruse…a diversionary tactic to lead everyone astray.
[“Magtibay recalled Lim saying that Gregorio be ‘brought instead to Tondo,’ the police force’s euphemism for summary execution.”
– IIRC report]
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N.B., I’ve already stated the case of Rogas-and-Tulfo tandem as also a possible direct cause of the disaster in previous blog posts.
More quick copy-pastes from TROTR made by Ochoa and de Mesa:
[“It should be noted that Yebra is not even an official, but merely an ad hoc negotiator of the PNP. Being a negotiator is not his primary function, but only an additional function given to him occasionally.”]
So, what was their real plan to safeguard the lives of the hostages when they fielded a guy not suited for the job?
[“Yebra may be faulted for failing to appropriately alert his superiors to be ready to take the necessary action when it appeared that Mendoza had already become more agitated and violent after reading the letter from the Ombudsman considering that Mendoza was shouting and even fired a warning shot.”]
Did Lim or Magtibay ever wonder why there was already a shot fired?
[“Reckless Imprudence consists in voluntarily, but without malice, doing or failing to do an act from which material damage results by reason of inexcusable lack of precaution on the part of the person performing or failing to perform an act, taking into consideration his employment or occupation, degree of intelligence, physical condition and other circumstances regarding persons time and place (Article 365, Revised Penal Code).”]
Reckless imprudence for Rogas and Tulfo would certainly be a test case. However, “the charges might ‘not hold water in court,’ De Mesa said in a press briefing in the Palace.”
Apparently, de Mesa doesn’t believe in forensic psychology and/or psychological autopsy that can be made from the RMN interview audio recordings and correlated with video footage the top TV networks voluntarily aired. Experts must be employed to do this and will very much help in the prosecution of the case. “The things speak for themselves,” pun intended.
It it happened, it happened. Incidents like that happen everywhere even to more advanced countries. Remember one time when students in Russia were held hostages. Russia’s well trained special commando group stormed the school and killed the hostage takers as well as several young students.
Media and the public are usually hot on the latest controversial issues. They forget to ask what happened to the other similar if not more controversial issues of the past. Among them were Alabang Boys, Ivler Aguilar, son of Manila Councilor Bernie Ang who cheated several bank clients (it was only reported by the media for two days before the hostage taking), the DOJ prosecutors who were accused of graft and corruption, etc.
“This was not the first time De Lima was bypassed. Noynoy appointed NBI Director Gadtula without consulting De Lima. NBI is under DOJ.” -2b1ask1-
I’m sorry but this a shallow understanding of the bureaucracy. Bureaus such as the NBI and the BID are Key Budgetary Items in the Department of Justice. Ditto with the AFP under the DND and the PNP under the DILG. As such, these institutions are sometimes the ‘faces of the department’ itself. The Secretary only exercises ministerial supervision over them. The POTP is under no obligation to consult his alter egos in these departments as to who his choices are to head these bureaus. These are positions of trust and confidence according them ‘primus inter pares’ status vis a vis the Secretaries. 🙂
Good point, sir. But it goes back to the basic question of respect and courtesy. As DOJ Sec and superior, De Lima would be happy to know who is the NBI Director that’s reporting to her. But we all know that Gadtula was appointed upon the lobby of one powerful religious group that supported Noynoy.
Enrile to De Lima: Quit or keep quiet
http://www.gmanews.tv/story/203321/enrile-to-de-lima-quit-or-keep-quiet
Senate President Juan Ponce Enrile on Wednesday told Justice Secretary Leila De Lima to quit if she can’t “quietly” solve her supposed policy differences with President Benigno Aquino III.
“Don’t bring your issue before the people… bring it first to your boss, unless you are ready to quit,” Enrile told reporters in an interview on Wednesday.
Agree 101 %!
Why then Senate President Enrile betray Marcos that led to that popular Edsa Revolt? He did not only bring the issue to the people; he orchestrated the ouster of Marcos together with then PC Chief and Vice AFP Chief Ramos.
Because Enrile and Ramos had no choice. Ang pagkakaalam ko nabulilyaso ang kudeta nila a night before EDSA1.. patay sila kapag nahuli sila ni Marcos kaya tumakbo sila kay Cardinal Sin na syang nag tawag ng people power… nagtago ang dalawang unggoy sa mga tao…
matagal ko ng gustong malaman kung totoo to o kwentong barbero lang… could someone please confirm this? 🙂
Statement texted to me:
# 95
Ganon ka rin naman noon Manong.
Enrile in an open forum in UP in 1986:
Student: You served as Defense Minister for two Presidents. How do you compare them?
Enrile: One was a reckless driver. The new one is a student driver.
one last reminder to those who serves at the pleasure of the President…you are in the service with the full trust and confidence of the appointing President..whatever your opinion, your criticism towards your Boss, keep in in Private or in your Person, not even with your family and close associates or even in private conversation (One of PM Harper Ministers made some inappropriate remarks in Private not knowing that it was recorded and accidentally played and was leaked and that was the end of her in cabinet) if you are not ready to quite at the very moment…it is just the norms.
Enrile and Ramos might have no choice. What about Angie Reyes, the first AFP Chief to turn against his commander-in-chief?
This was passed to me by one Benjamin Gerodias:
My nephew, a motorcycle escort from Camp Crame told me that there is one safety measure that would have prevented the tourist bus hijack or it would have not taken place if it was put into place or followed, but because it was not followed, the hijacking took place.
He told me that on that day there were 3 tourist buses in Intramuros. He was escorting one bus, the other bus also had a motorcycle escort. He noticed that the 3rd bus had no escort. I asked him if It is SOP to have an escort He said it should be, but on the other hand, he said it also depends on the travel agency, baka daw nagtipid. My nephew said, Mr. Mendoza was able to enter the bus because it has no escort. If it has an escort, he would think twice because surely, he will be accosted by the escort even if he is on uniform, he added.
Senate President Juan Ponce Enrile on Wednesday told Justice Secretary Leila De Lima to quit if she can’t “quietly” solve her supposed policy differences with President Benigno Aquino III.
“Don’t bring your issue before the people… bring it first to your boss, unless you are ready to quit,” Enrile told reporters in an interview on Wednesday.
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This is DE LIMA’s DILEMMA.
DE LIMA’s DILEMMA…ha, ha…good one.
And if you notice the IRRC Body…it was composed of Five (Lima).
It looks like our President also lied to the IIRC over his claim that he ordered the police to use the SAF. In fact Noynoy made no such order.
There you go folks. We have an amateur President that is also a liar.
I am glad that Magtibay is punished, as he is incompetent. But Aquino’s lie at the expense of the Police force is unacceptable.
A leader that betrays his police force to appear clean.. is apalling. I can’t find a proper word to describe it.
Let’s go over it. No use continuing with the blame game. What we must focus now is to catch those bad guys during Arroyo’s regime and throw them to jail.