Reuters’ quote of Aquino was “We might be requesting overflights on that.”
The report said Aquino was referring to U.S. P3C Orion spy planes. “We don’t have aircraft with those capabilities,” Reuters further quoted Aquino.
The blunder was shocking enough. Imagine the chief executive of the land announcing a major national security plan that would cede Philippine sovereignty to the United States!
But the tragedy is that Aquino does not even know that he committed a blunder.
In an ambush interview yesterday, he put the blame on the reporter even as he stood firm on his plan. He was asked if there has been a request for the spy planes that he mentioned in the Reuters interview.
His reply: “ Alam mo nagkamali ‘yung nag-interview sa akin ‘nung isang araw. Pumasok siya, naniniwala siya may request na tayong ganoon e, ano. So hindi ko maintindihan, if you will go through the transcript of the interview, sabi ko: ‘We might.’ ‘Yung doon e bigla na lang nagkaroon na ng request or nagkaroon na ng overflights which wasn’t what I stated. So, i-correct lang natin, ‘yung America is a treaty ally. Meron tayong kakulangan, meron silang kapasidad. Kung saka-sakaling kukulangin ‘yung ating kapasidad, palagay ko pwede naman tayong lumapit sa kanila para madagdagan ‘yung tinatawag na situational awareness natin lalo na dito sa West Philippine Sea.”
(The one who interviewed me the other day made a mistake. When he came in, he believed that we have already made a request. I didn’t understand. If you go through the transcript of the interview, I said: ‘We might.’ Then it came out that we made a request or there were overflights which wasn’t what I stated. So let’s correct that. America is our treaty ally. We are inadequate. They have the capacity. In case we are inadequate, I suppose we can approach them to beef up what we call situational awareness in the West Philippine Sea .)
There was a follow up question to confirm that no request has been made.
Earlier, in response to China’s advice for the Philippine not to issue provocative statements in reaction to Aquino’s Reuters interview, Presidential Communications Development and Strategic Planning Office Secretary Ricky Carandang clarified “”The President said that that was one of the options.”
It’s dismaying and alarming that Aquino and his men don’t realize the tragedy of his announced plan.
It doesn’t matter whether a request has been made or not. What is worrisome is that the President is planning to give up Philippine sovereignty.
In the first place, does understand what “sovereignty” is?
Maybe it would help to remind him this number one item in the Declaration of Principles and State Policies of the Constitution: “The Philippines is a democratic and republican state. Sovereignty resides in the people and all government authority emanates from them.”
Sovereignty is one of the four elements of state. The other three are people, territory, and government.
Sovereignty is the supreme power of a State to command and enforce obedience.
You may have a territory and people but if you cannot enforce obedience , you are not a State.
The dispute with China over Scarborough Shoal and the Spratlys islands is not only a territorial issuebut also of sovereignty.
Aquino’s solution of asking the United States to do the monitoring through their spy planes over those disputed islands is tantamount to ceding sovereignty over to the United States. That’s treason.
Just consider this: US spy planes that would be operating over South China ((if Aquino’s request is granted) would be under the command of the United States Armed Forces. The US will never allow their military operations to be under another country’s command. What would happen to Philippine sovereignty then?
A reporter who asked not to be named was able to interview a senior American diplomat and he shared with me his notes. He said The US diplomat told him, “There has been no request for overflights from the Philippines.” Although the diplomat said,”The Philippines is our oldest and closest ally in Asia any request received is normally approved.”
However, the US official said,“US forces do not lend out our aircraft nor comment where or when or why they fly when over international airspace.”
I hope President Aquino knows and understands this US military and diplomatic policy.
Biazon has a different opinion:
Biazon: US spy planes can fly over West Phl Sea
By Alexis Romero
A lawmaker and former military chief on Wednesday backed President Aquino’s plan to ask the United States (US) to deploy spy planes in the West Philippine Sea (South China Sea), saying this is part of an agreement between allied countries.
Muntinlupa City Rep. Rodolfo Biazon said the Philippines and the US have agreed to cooperate on security matters under the Mutual Defense Treaty.
“This decision (of the president to tap US spy planes) has a basis. One basis is the existence of protocol among allies and friendly nations on exchanges of information to include intelligence reports,” Biazon told reporters in Camp Aguinaldo.
“On top of that, we can invoke the provisions of the Mutual Defense Treaty so I think the president has made correct pronouncements and it has basis,” he added.
http://www.philstar.com/nation/article.aspx?articleid=824032
Ang basa ko sa article, Ms. Ellen ay ang paghingi ng tulong sa america sa pamamagitan ng pagrequest ng overflight ay equivalent sa pagsuko ng sovereignty ng Pilipinas sa america. Kung iyan nga ng tinutumbok ng article, I do not agree.
Kung ako nga si Pnoy, hindi lang eroplano ang irerquest ko sa mga kano, isama na ang barko, lantsa at submarino. Tanggap ko kasi na hindi naman natin talaga kayang makipagsabayan sa China sa pag position sa West Philippine Sea. Kaysa naman siguro na pairalin ang pride na laban natin ito, kami lang at walang makikialam na ibang bansa pero pagdating naman sa bakbakan, ilalampaso lang tayo ng China.
Sa palagay ko hindi naman pagsuko ng sovereignty ang paghingi ng tulong sa mga kano. Kung hihimayin ang joint exploration agreement sa spratlys na nangyari sa term ni GMA, duon naman talagang binigay na ni GMA ang West Philippine Sea sa CHina.
Kung talagang pagsuko sa mga kano ng sovereignty ang ginawa ni Pnoy sa paghingi ng tulong, I do not mean to be disrespectful, tatanggapin naman kaya ito ng mga kano.
Ellen,
Sori pero hindi ko masundan ang logic. How do we lose sovereignty by asking an ally and treaty partner for help against a major military/economic power that is encroaching on our territory?
Mutual defense treaty, di ba?
Article II
“In order more effectively to achieve the objective of this Treaty, the Parties separately and jointly by self-help and mutual aid will maintain and develop their individual and collective capacity to resist armed attack.”
Parang diyan pumapasok ang overflights na posibleng i-request ng presidente sa mga Kano. Walang surrender of sovereignty ang magtulungan sa ilalim ng MDT.
I also disagree that Aquino made a blunder. We have not nor will not ceed the fight for our territory to the Americans by asking for their assistance.
It is because we are fighting for our territory that we asked an ally for their equipments and expertise.
The fight remains ours, whatever the spy planes produce or uncovers, it is still for us to act upon.
I think we are also forgetting the fight or proposal has a psych warfare involved. Once the Chinese know the Americans are indeed willing to help, magrereklamo ang mga Chinese on a bigger stage – the international stage of which would be involving more parties China has less allies with.
Let me put two scenarios here:
The US decides to go for military activity over sovereign territories without informing or being asked by the PH government. They’ve done that (example the capture and death of Osama Bin Laden) and for all we know they are doing the spy mission already (remember, there were two Subs that recently docked in Subic). Do we lose sovereignty on this one: YES. Because for a split second, Foreign forces acted in our territory without our consent.
The PH formally ask for US expertise in watching our the specific territorial dispute. Again, i believe it psych war versus anything (as well a reminder that big brother got our back) and that its very formal (thus pushing the stage to an international one, one that China has less allies to rely on). Do we lose the same on this? NO. In fact we strengthen our claim.
There was a question about who directs any spy plane (be it P3-Orions or UAVs. Obviously its the Americans who own those. But if the mission was requested for a specific function, the scope and permission should be indicated by the requesting party. The actual work is managed by the Americans but of course with our permission.
The report of which or what we do with it is ours to decide on.
Iba na kung America bring your carriers and destroy any Chinese vessels. I don’t think Aquino or the Americans is that far out nor is considering that. Nor does China want that to happen.
Tama lang yung ginagawa ni Aquino, to show China, we can’t be pushed or be bribed via a golf tournament and that we have allies and we know China has its weaknesses.
Article II, section 8, of the Constitution of the Philippines is the cornerstone of Philippine policy with regard to nuclear weapons within Philippine territory. This constitutional provision states:
“The Philippines, consistent with the national interest, adopts and pursues a policy of freedom from nuclear weapons in its territory.”
We’ve been accepting nuclear submarines in Subic contrary to our Constitution and to our signed treaties, the Non-proliferation of Nuclear Weapons for example, and we are turning a blind eye to all these.
Our desperate moves are clear indications that the same Shotgun Constitution has reached its cul-de-sac, it’s dead end. We should now be moving to write a new one.
As to the sovereignty issue, we know all along that the GIs in Basilan and Sulu have been reported to be fighting side-by-side with our own soldiers vs the Abu Sayyaf.
Further, the permanent “temporary facilities” in Zamboanga is another constitutional issue which we have been ignoring as if it didn’t exist.
Our ratification of the Non-Aligned Treaty one one hand while we are partners with the Americans shows our international image as hypocritical.
We also have completed all internal requirements to become a State party to the South-East Asia Nuclear Weapon-Free-Zone Treaty and deposited our instrument of ratification in 2001 with Thailand, the depository of the Treaty. Few months before this, we deposited our instrument of ratification for the Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty.
Internationally, we are officially known to be advocates of anti-nuclear sentiments we even sought the advisory opinion of the International Court of Justice on the “Legality of the Threat or Use of Nuclear Weapons” we even sponsored a draft resolution in the UN General Assembly specifically to followup this effort.
Since the adoption of the 1986 Noynoy’s Mama Constitution, we have tied our hands against seeking out the nuclear option for energy use, mothballing the BNPP and banning it altogether…but…today we continue to allow nuclear weapons in our territory despite all our official diplomatic policy and implementing acts.
Slip of the TonGuE:
Our ratification of the Non-Aligned Treaty on one hand
It is China that is violating the Sovereignity of the Philippines by ignoring the Phl calls for voice of reasons. And the Mutual Defense Treaty is being invoked by the President asking an ally to come for the aid. And if the Flyover of the spy planes is within the MDT provisions, then the US should commit themselves. It is also for their Interest to protect the sea lanes for the world commerce from China encroachment.
And I also believe that it was the us who did the asking for Pnoy permission for the spy plane flyover, otherwise Pnoy would have not done it and get embarrassed for being dismissed by the Pentagon
In Aquino’s interview with Reuters, it is the Americans who will do the overflights. We are not going to be the one who will operate the U.S. P3C Orion spy plane. We won’t be buying that.
You ask the Americans to patrol your territory? That is surrendering your sovereignty.
Now, if you want to buy equipment fromthe Americans, iba yun. That’s the problem nga. Because Aquino seems confused about buying of equipment and the overflights.
Let’s not be confused:
Improving our capability by modernizing out military hardware with the help of the U.S. is different from asking the U.S to be the one to do the job for us. The latter is not modernization of armed forces.
In Balikatan exercises, the terms of reference are carefully worded that the American armed forces are training the Filipinos even if they are out in the field. That they are just behind the Filipino soldiers during patrol exercises.
Even if we know that realities in the ground that they do the fighting, the point is they are careful about sovereignty issue here. The Constitution is celar about not allowing foreign combat troops operate in Philippine territory.
Aquino said he might ask the United States to do overflights. That means it is the United States that will operate in what the Philippines is its territory. Allowing a foreign military to operate in your country and do the job for you is ceding your territory.
Let’s not confuse Aquino’s plan to request for US spy planes to do oveflights in Spratlys with military modernization.
In the modernization of Philippine Armed Forces, we buy the equipment from foreign countries, most of the time the United States, and we operate the equipment. That’s not what Aquino said in the Reuters interview.
The Reuters report quoted Aquino as saying:
If you read the article carefully, even the title of the article, I gave the allowance that Aquino might not really have thought very well what he told Reuters.
I think the moral of the story here is for PNoy to be a little bit discerning in discussing foreign policy and national security matters publicly.
So Biazon thinks the request for overflights, in the event they are made, is in accordance with the Mutual Defense Treaty?
Let us see.
The article talks about “armed attack” which is defined in Article V as:
Armed attack on the island territory. Note, “armed attack” and “island”.
Are the Chinese attacking? How can they attack rocks? Besides, I thought the Gregorio del Pilar (maybe the ship is as old as Goyong.) withdrew because the Chinese vessel is not grey (navy).
Also, the shoal, at least according to wikipedia, is a mere collection of rocks, which are submerged at high tide.
The Treaty (UNCLOS) which we invoke to assert sovereignty, defines island as follows:
It says land; as in lupa, soil. Not to-bats.
So there is no attack, and no island. There is no basis to invoke the mutual defense treaty.
I think the Philippine government must heed its own advice to the Chinese. Be careful with your words.
Okay. Tapos na ang batas. Let us go to Biazon’s expertise – the military.
Is not the conduct of spying for a purpose or objective? You spy on the enemy, to attack. An example is the Mossad spying to gather info on the Egyptian air force prior to the six day war.
Or, the CIA spying to get info for the assassination of Osama bin Laden.
But, considering that this Noy fellow has already disavowed armed conflict, and says he will undertake the diplomatic route, what is the purpose of asking the Ams to send spy planes? And why send spy planes when the satellites can give info on where those lumbering ships are?
Ginagaya ba niya si Inay, and the persuasion flights against Gringo? Baka nga naman pagbigyan. Sige na nga. Make the request. Isama na rin yang bondying na yan, para makapag-joyride. Baka bigyan pa yan ng joystick, katulad sa Cupertino.
I meant Cupertino California, when he visited Apple Computers. Not that other Cupertino.
# 14
Agreed. Article II talks about capacity building, not a response to some perceived encroachment.
There is a world of a difference between capacity building and response. Asking the US to fly their planes is asking the US to respond with their capacity. It is not a request to help the Philippines build capacity.
Let the ones in the driver’s seat drive, too many backseat drivers makes for a tough ride.
If you want to drive get yourself chosen to be the driver, otherwise just shut up and enjoy the ride.
too may kiao kiao sheeeesh
Why do we need the spy planes? We already know they are there.
I can just imagine the Americans cringing while reading President Aquino’s interview with Reuters.
The US, even as it tries to contain China, is working on good relations with the economic and military giant. And here’s our President disclosing that he plans to bring in the U.S. to spy on China for the Philippines.
The American senior diplomat is right:However, the US official said,“US forces do not lend out our aircraft nor comment where or when or why they fly when over international airspace.”
That is consistent with their Neither Confirm Nor Deny policy.
Yes, President Aquino should learn that.
President Aquino should learn to be a little more discreet when it comes to foreign relations matters.
I don’t see the merit of telegraphing your plans to the Chinese on how you will fight them.
🙂
Dapat baguhin niya ang terminology niya so in order not to ruffle feelings. Ang blunder niya is that he used sensitive and confrontational terms, eg., overflights, spy planes or whatever, at a time when we are quarreling with China.
To my mind, if those were the terms PNoy used and I were China, I would take it as PNoy trying to stir a fight between the US and myself. PNoy must try to avoid using tricky military terms like “spy”, “overflights”, in the situation we are in. “Help monitor our waters” is military but not offensive… not confrontational yet implies the same idea of espionage hahahah…
Anyway, in my humble viez, despite the clumsy wording pronounced in public, the terms he used do not imply cession of sovereignty of those waters to the United States. Again, to my mind request for logistic assistance — because the fact is he is requesting for logistic assistance, is not ceding sovereignty.
uy ang daming typos… sorry 🙁
Hi Tongue!
If I may put in my penny’s worth re “We’ve been accepting nuclear submarines in Subic contrary to our Constitution and to our signed treaties, the Non-proliferation of Nuclear Weapons for example, and we are turning a blind eye to all these.” …
Technically, in my view, allowing nuclear subs (SSN) into our waters may not be deemed unconstitutional for as long as they do not carry nuclear weapons. If RP allows a US nuclear sub to show up, then it is legal.
SSNs (submarine nuclear) as a rule, DO NOT carry nuclear weapons, but even if for the sake of argument, they were carrying some, to avoid complications, US naval authoritis will neither deny or confirm that an SSN (submarine nuclear) was carrying a nuclear weapon so there is no way of knowing whether an SSN is carrying nuclear weapons or not.
However, an SSBN (submarine balistic nuclear) is another kettle of fish and WILL BE carrying nuclear weapons and as a rule, if an SSBN shows up in foreign waters, it will be an act of war.
SSBNs NEVER make visits to foreign ports nor show up in foreign waters because the whole principle of SSBNs (the ones that are carrying nuclear weapons) is that they must not be detected — THEY HIDE. I doubt very much that the subs we have allowed to call on our ports are SSBN. Just very very unlikely.
Hence, the president will not be violating any Constitutional provision even if he allows many SSN class of subs, eg., USS Louisville, to come and visit the Philippines simply because SSNs DO NOT, as a rule, carry nuclear weapons.
SSNs, the ones we see in our waters, may carry Tomahawks but Tomahawks on SSNs today are not nuclear missiles, they are high precision guided missiles but are not nuclear missiles.
You are right, my little admiral, the subs may not be carrying nuclear weapons, but technically an exploding nuclear power generator after getting hit by an enemy torpedo has the same environmental effects.
What I’m really saying is, the 1987 “Pikot” Constitution (pikot as in shotgun marriage where we were made to choose between a badly written constitution and maintaining a status quo of a “revolutionary” government) is very much anti-nuke it regards anything nuclear as something evil. And we complement that constitutional declaration with constant diplomatic push.
BTW, nice to see you here, Anna. I was just reading your usual intelligent comments on a long thread on Ellen’s FB wall.
Isang gabi, nagpasama and Dalaga papuntang bayan sa kaibigan ng Tatay niya dahil inaabangang siya ng isang masugid at bastos na manliligaw. Nakabalik nang bahay na matiwasay ang Dalaga pero nakita nyang nakaabang sa madilim na parte ng kalsada yung manliligaw.
Walang masamang nangyari sa Dalaga dahil sinabayan siya sa paglalakad ng kaibigan ng Tatay niya. Ni hindi siya nagpahawak sa kamay o nasaling ang kanyang katawan nang sila ay naglalakad.
Kung ihahambing natin sa isang State o Estado yung Dalaga, eto ang mga posibleng bahagi nito:
– Sovereignty: Pagkatao
– People : Mukha
– Territory: Katawan
– Government: Pag-iisip
Masisira ba ang pagkatao ng isang Dalaga kung maisip niyang magpasama sa isang kaibigan para siya ay protektahan pero hindi niya ipasasaling ang kanyang mukha at katawan?
# 31 duane,,,,,kamuntik na akong malunod. Ang lalim ng example mo. Pinahanga mo ako. you remind me my Pilipino subject teacher sa Ramon Magsaysay H.S. near UST. ganyang-ganyan siya magsalita at mag explain kung papaano namin maiintindihan ang kanyang pinupuntuhan.
I Think, PNoy admin knows what is right, and what is bad to the country, He has all the “Think Tankers”, to include Cong. Rudy Biazon..and others, the International Brains..di nya ipapahamak ang kanyang 6-years of transformation sa bansa….Careful lang sya sa mga Technical-wary words, that could mean to other people-readers are ugly..Also, he should be consistent in his promises to make a difference..Mahirap ang ” bungang Hinog-at ka-akit-akit, at kapansin-pansin” sa mata ng Tao, dahil sya ang tampulan ng tukso, at paghanga..Kaya nga His “think Tankers” should always be aware of whatever the President PNoy should talk or says..His “tongue” is as credible as his advisers, staffs or the closest Secretary, right hand..
To protect “properties” of the Philippines is normal, in whatever ways it should be, and the asking of help from friendly powerful Nations, especially when the country is weak, the Military Power.Tulad din ito sa dalawang matalik na magkaibigan, mula pagkabata at sa pagtanda, kapag may ka-apihan,sa isa’t-isa. Mayroon ng “developed bonding”, na di nawawala, sa matagal na panahong pagsasama, lalo sa pagdadamayan, kung may Nang-aaping dambuhala, sa isang katulad ng CHina, dapat lang laging buhay ang pagtutulungan o “concern” sa bawat isa sa kanila…..my food for thoughts and analysis…
@Vic #9, Agree – Its our neighbor China who we are having a confrontation with. They are the ones testing this sovereignty question.
@Al #22/#23, To bring the fight (not literal barilan) to the international stage, of which China has less figurative armaments.
@Duane nicely said.
@Ma’am Ellen #10, if the American invoice us with a bill for services rendered (intelligence gathering), would that appease your worry that we did not waived our sovereignty?
Very Good Analysis from ms Ellen
Very Good Analysis from ms Ellen
Very Good Analysis from ms Ellen
Congratulations po sa inyo Ms. Ellen!
Hello Tongue Mon Général! 😉
Thank you… good to see you here too. How are you? Been actually dropping by regularly but not leaving comments — haven’t memorised my blasted password and have to go looking for it so can’t log easily and chit chat with everyone that I give up logging in 🙂 🙂 🙂 .
Nice analogy Duane (no.31)…
Ellen, Maybe PNoy got peeved after reading your column — he’s apparently ordered everyone to keep their mouths shut 🙂 which is well and good.
Anne, I don’t know about him reading my column. I don’t think so.
Yes, “well and good.” It’s a welcome directive and it should apply, first and foremost, to him.
It’s common sense. In a conflict, you don’t announce your moves which he and other officials have been doing.
security issues should not be discussed in public.
ngayon lang, sa tanang buhay ko ako nakabasa ng ganitong tahasang pag-amin ng isang pangulo ng kawalang kakayahang ipagtanggol ng sariling sandatahang lakas ang soberenya ng bansa.
kunsabagay ay naging tapat la’ang siya sa pagsasabi ng katotohanan SUBALIT sa maling nagtanong sa kanya.
mababasa ng buong mundo KUNG gaano ka-pobre ang ating bansa.
babalik na naman tayo sa nakaraan at sisisihin ang nangako ng SAMPUNG milyong kasinungalingan!
gustong gusto ni chijap na manghimasok at kamakamin ng china ang alinmang bahagi ng bansa AT galit na galit siya kapag humihingi ng tulong ang pilipinas sa US.
bakit kaya?
……at KAMKAMIN ng china……
@mprivera huh? please re-read what i posted. baligtad ata yung sinasabi mo tungkol sa akin.
di ba meron tayong reversed terminologies?
pyschology for one.
di ba?
wait and let’s see.
wait and let’s see?
uy, parang artsee.
In my understanding psywar lang ni pnoy yan….. pang asar na rin sa nakakaasar na mga tsekwa. Papayag ba ang mga kano na magpatrolya ang Air force nila para sa atin? Sana nilubos na niya ang pamimikon, samahan na rin ng FA18, nuclear submarine at destroyers na siyang babantay sa west Philippine sea, OA ba?
@mprivera wala sa post ko yung mga baligtad na sinasabi mo. i call it as i see it.
please don’t drag others to your ridiculous “reverse terminologies.”
P3 Orions are surveillance aircrafts, not spy planes.
@#27: SSBN’s never tied up on Pinas base piers, even SSN’s due to our bases incapability of transferring shore power to sub power and vice versa.
SSBN’s/SSN’s are known to make visits to Singapore and Australia, so I’m not sure where this idea of them giant whales showing up on foreign waters will “cause war” is coming from.
This is where Tongue Twisted’s expertise comes into play, by lobbying PAKYAW’S congress to enhance, make it modern so to speak, that base in Mindanao wherein Trident Subs can dock someday.
@45: Naku, pinikon mo si Chijap, inamin tuloy who he really is. Folks, lantad na….wink!
@49 tru blue
To your question “where in the world I knew about it?” My answer: From my husband who happens to be RN SSBN cdr (ret.)
Ang again to be clear, quoting said ret. SSBN cdr: The whole principle of SSBNs (the ones that are carrying nuclear weapons) is that they must not be detected — THEY HIDE.
So, I doubt very much that the subs we have allowed to call on our ports are SSBN. USS Louisville, the sub that showed up in our waters recently (in June I believe) is SSN (not SSBN).
Re your “SSBN’s/SSN’s are known to make visits to Singapore and Australia”: Please name me one SSBN that’s been seen in Singapore or in Australia. (Not speaking here of SSN.)
That said, back in the mid-70s up to early 80s, the US purposely ordered SSBNs to show up in the waters of Korea and showed up more than 30 times — unprecedented! But this was done on purpose, i.e., to saber rattle v NoKor (as you know Sokor is friendly country)
Let me re-qualify what I said so we are in the clear, for an SSBN to show up or be seen in friendly countries is already an unprecedented move; for an SSBN showing up in foreign waters of not very friendly countries can or WILL BE CONSIDERED/CONSTRUED AS AN ACT OF WAR.
Would love to discuss these things with you but need to do a bit of work. Ciao all!
It is not asking for military assistance under the mutual defense treaty ang pagkakamali ni PeNoy KUNDI ‘yung pag-amin niya sa Reuters ng kakulangan ng kakayahan ng Pilipinas upang matugunan ang seguridad na pangangailangan sa harap ng lantarang pangangamkam ng China sa maliwanag na sakop ng bansa.
Being the head (wala na nga la’ang cover) of the state, ‘yung mismong pinuno pa ang unang naging security breach.
susmaryopes!
tapos, ‘yung pagkakadulas na iyon ay hindi pa daw isang kamalian sabi nu’ng espiya ng mga kalaban.
hindi na kailangan ang spy planes na ‘yan. dapat ay ‘yung drone (unmanned aerial vehicles) na la’ang at kayang kaya ‘yung paliparin ni noynoy dahil eksperto siya sa video game console at parang naglalaro la’ang siya niyon.
@tru blue, need attention much?
its confusing how you said i “reveal” something when i’ve always been clear all along.
its such a pity that two stooges have to conspire just to promote a ridicule.
Superlike #55.
You hit it right, MPR!
@mprivera, di ka ba naglalaro ng PS3/Xbox/Wii? If you do play using those console, then you or anyone else is as qualified as Aquino to man a UAV, following your logic.
That is if you or our nation can afford one.
The point is that we do not have an UAV or surveillance plane because we can’t afford one. No shame in admitting we are poor.
Its really unfortunate you have to resort to ridicule someone just to prove a point. Shows much about your character.
To your question “where in the world I knew about it?” My answer: From my husband who happens to be RN SSBN cdr (ret.)
He’s a good sub cdr, he didn’t tell you everything then. These stealth subs’ movement are still classified but draws lots of attention only when the populace knew HE is in town.
Been to Bremerton, Washington three times the last five years and SSBN’s are homeported there at Kitsap Base. The Nevada, Pennsylvania, Kentucky, and Jackson to name just a few, one way or another made a port call visits to Singapore, Australia. In these ports they get to receive their mails/packages, and to load up on food supplies, the crew have to eat somehow and they have to make these shore visits, otherwise, the winos onboard will have an uprising.
Have a few friends of Noypi descent who served onboard these tridents.
“constant change of avatar?”
Are you nuts? I have no avatar. Never placed one in. Nor have i ever been in the ricelander blog.
I recommend you seek professional psychiatric help tru blue.
i never play or played console nor any of toys you maybe referring to.
i used to fire real gun/s.
and, yes. i really do have a character. 8 carats pa nga, eh.
heheheh.
i just loved you are now sharp and not as shallow as you were before as artsee, bitchevil and other handles you posed before.
galing mong magdisguise!
anyway, babay muna.
dami ko pang trabaho. ayan at tumatawag na ang amo ko. pinagtitimpla ako ng gatas ng anak niya. maglilinis pa ako ng palikuran/paliguan at paliliguan ko pa ang mga alagang pusa at aso nila pati na ‘yung maamong sawa.
Premature ejaculation by Teodoro Locsin, Jr.
Honasan aptly described U.S. spy plane overflights as “essentially a police function in a trilateral situation where there is no parity of forces”.
But to assign the police function is to concede what neither party is prepared to give: sovereignty to the U.S. The strongest aspect of sovereignty is the police function. Indeed, in a trilateral situation where there is no parity of forces, a third party stands in for one of the two and makes it a bilateral confrontation between China and the U.S. which the U.S. is loathe to do….
The President must be more careful with his statements than China need be with its own. He trivializes the MDT that way. And we do not want a premature ejaculation that will prevent a satisfying consummation.
Finally, a spy plane overflight is supposed to be a secret and a secret should not be told to Reuters.
The President has learned his lesson. He announced that from now on, anything to do with the South China Sea dispute will be kept under wraps until everything is good and ready. It will be a surprise package.
First, never announce a secret. It invites curiosity and counter-espionage. Second, never surprise a giant within reach of his long arms. And third, announcing a surprise may invite a preemptive attack from China.
Keep well.
http://anc.abs-cbnnews.com/blogs/363/teditorial-premature-ejaculation/
How Malacañang is making it so easy for Beijing
By Benjamin Pimentel
For one thing Team Noynoy forgot was this: You don’t rush into a fight in which you are clearly outmatched. And you don’t let your macho-posturing give adversary an opportunity to become even stronger.
For, sad to say, that’s what Team Noynoy has been doing.
http://globalnation.inquirer.net/43626/how-malacanang-is-making-it-so-easy-for-beijing
Please lang ha. Ayaw ko nang nag-aaway, We discuss issues here to help in our understanding of matters that affect us and our country. We should respect each other’s opinion. Walang insultuhan.
Balak humingi ang Pangulo ng tulong sa Kano.
The same Kano na sumuporta sa MOA-AD.
Wake up. Tama na ang nintendo.
Re # 59 “In these ports they get to receive their mails/packages, and to load up on food supplies, the crew have to eat somehow and they have to make these shore visits, otherwise, the winos onboard will have an uprising.”
🙂
SSBNs do not, I repeat, DO NOT show up in foreign ports, not even in ‘friendly’ countries to “receive their mails/packages” and/or “to load up on food supplies.”
SSBNs (submarines ballistic nuclear as opposed to SSNs which are submarines nuclear but do not carry nuclear weapons) are loaded with enough food supplies that will last them for the entire duration of their operation.
If, for the sake of argument, SSBN is about to “run out of” food supplies, food will be strictly and severely rationed until SSBN goes back to home port. IF, say, food finally ran out — which is unthinkable — SSBN would head back to home base but would not, I repeat, would not show up in some foreign port to re-stock.
With regard to mail, SSBNs DO NOT receive personal mail for the duration of their operation. If operation lasts 3 full months, crew will have no contact with “outside world.” (I did not write to my husband when he was on operation — absolutely no point. He would not receive it; or even if I did he would receive it home base when he returned by which time, he would be 15 minutes to the house anyway.)
For information, NO COUNTRY with nuclear deterrence submarines (SSBNs) will show up in a foreign port carrying full nuclear load — the risk is much too great. And certainly NOT TO PICK UP PERSONAL mail or to load on food supplies. An SSBN cdr that does this sort of thing will be immediately relieved and will never, ever, ever command an SSBN again, and not even command an SSN again.
The whole point of SSBNs is deterrence — they are “dogs of war” that will and can hit anytime without being detected, hence, MUST NOT BE DETECTED; showing up in ports friendly or simply just foreign ports opens them to detection. Unthinkable! As for SSBNs that show up in ports, they may have been converted to SSNs or SSGNs (something that the US does frequently), before purposely showing up in a friendly port, in other words, their nuclear armamments having been removed beforehand.
The only reason for an SSBN to show up in a foreign port or in non-neutral waters is if rules of engagement dictate it, i.e., it will be to saber rattle, which will be very very very rare (just like what the US did off SoKor back in the late 70s, heihgt of Cold War). Otherwise, must not and cannot be sighted.
Today, SSBN crew may “receive personal electronic mail” via sattelite but even if they do, recipient WILL NOT BE ALLOWED to transmit, i.e., reply. Transmission will open them to detection.
I hope this has sort of helped you understand a bit about submarine culture and certainly about subs ballistic nuclear — a totally different kettle of fish. Good luck!
OK, must go back to work a bit… last day at Farnborough. ; -)
@#65: I don’t you’re right in your explanation. You are just absolutely correct. There were actually four SSBN’s converted to SSGN’s which was news to me since I haven’t interested with the silent service even though I was assigned to two submarine bases in my 20 years of active service, three years at Pearl Harbor, and my last four years at Naval Base Mare Island Vallejo. As fresh air sailors as those bubbleheads call us, I personally had very little interactions with them all through those years. They were just different breed of pricks (wink) who think they are god’s chosen people as far as the military service was concerned, that without their silent presence, the war is not winnable, or any war for that matter.
tru blue,
behaves, ha?
if not, bubuhusan kita ng maraming tubig para hindi ka na tru. half half ka na lang. o kaya, labnaw na.
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sige, magbubunot pa ako ng damo at magdidilig sa hardin ng aking mahal na amo.