Update: Mike Arroyo, misspelled name in BI Departure card; De Lima apologized for wrong info to public
By Ashzel Hachero
Malaya
Former president and now Pampanga Rep. Gloria Arroyo is undergoing therapy due to loss of voice following cervical spine surgery last week at the St. Luke’s Medical Center in Taguig City.
GMA leaves hospital
ABS-CBN
Doctors said Arroyo has been told to rest at her house for a month. She also was told to rest her voice. Doctors said there are no complications from her cervical spine surgery. However, she lost her voice after her vocal cords got swollen after she started to receive visitors last Wednesday.
“Her vocal chords were swollen and until now are swollen not because of complication in the surgery but they were strained because of use of cellphones,” Cervantes said.
Mayor Jerry Pelayo of Candaba, Pampanga, a close Arroyo ally, Arroyo is prohibited from talking, reading newspapers and watching television.
Patients sometimes lose their voice following cervical spine surgery because the operation involves the neck and throat area.
St. Luke’s did not issue a medical bulletin yesterday.
Pelayo said Arroyo’s blood pressure has stabilized.
If all goes well, Arroyo might be released this week, Pelayo said.
Doctors had expressed concern about Arroyo’s unstable blood pressure after the surgery Friday last week, although one of her attending physicians said it was caused more by stress associated with the surgery as well as external factors.
Last Sunday, Arroyo was transferred to a regular room at the hospital after she spent two days at the hospital’s intensive care unit.
The operation called anterior cervical decompression and fusion involved removing the pinched nerve endings to arrest the weakness in her limbs and putting titanium plates on the neck to correct the alignment.
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Mike took chartered plane to HK?
By Evangeline de Vera
Justice Secretary Leila de Lima yesterday said that the Bureau of Immigration has no record that former First Gentleman Jose Miguel “Mike” Arroyo left the country or took a commercial flight.
“He must have chartered a plane. If there is no record of that, that means he is not out of the country,” she said.
De Lima said she is still waiting for the report of the Civil Aviation Authority of the Philippines whether Arroyo flew to Hong Kong on a chartered flight.
Reports said Arroyo is in Hong Kong for check up on his aortic aneurysm, a life threatening ailment. Arroyo was supposed to have waited for his wife, former president and Pampanga Rep. Gloria Arroyo, to recover from cervical spine surgery before undergoing a check up.
But he apparently decided otherwise last Sunday.
Arroyo went under the knife for aortic aneurysm in April 9, 2007.
Arroyo was formally placed yesterday under the BI watch list after he was tagged in the controversial sale of two light helicopters to the PNP in 2009.
The 60-day watch list order was issued by De Lima following the request of the Senate Blue Ribbon Committee through its chair Teofisto “TG” Guingona III.
Businessman Archibald Po said that the former presidential spouse purchased five helicopters from him to be used in the 2004 presidential campaign of his wife, Gloria Arroyo.
The R44 Raven I choppers were then sold as brand-new to the PNP in 2009 for P105-million through Manila Aerospace Trading Corp.
Senate minority leader Alan Peter Cayetano expressed fears that Arroyo would again evade Blue Ribbon investigations on the light police helicopters scam.
“I expect him to go on a tago-nang-tago mode or TNT mode but sooner or later kailangan nilang harapin ito,” Cayetano said.
Cayetano stressed that Arroyo could not always hide behind his supposed health condition to evade the Senate probe.
He also dismissed statements by Arroyo’s lawyers that there is no paper trail linking the former First Gentleman to the helicopter scam.
“Huwag sana tayo gawing tanga ng mga lawyers ni FG by saying just because walang paper trail, walang pirma, ergo, he’s innocent. If they want to attack the credibility or they want to attack the testimony, that’s up to them,” Cayetano said. – With Regina Bengco and JP Lopez
Senator: How did leave for HK without passing thru immigration?
FG: Ask nyo si Sen. Lacson. Ginaya ko lang style niya.
😛
Dumaan kay Garci sa Mindanao kaya walang record. Akala ni Lacson ay siya lang ang may alam ng ganoon ah…. Tuso ang mga Arroyo’s.
Nawalan daw ng boses si Gloria tapos kunwari pupunta rin sa abroad para magpagamot kuno. Tatakas ang pamilya ng isa-isa. Dapat ilagay na sila kaagad s hold departure order.
GUILTY!
_http://www.gmanews.tv/story/228485/nation/arroyo-leaves-hospital-to-go-straight-to-quezon-city-house
Doctors ordered Arroyo to rest for at least one month, and limited visits to her.
In Friday morning a medical bulletin, Arroyo’s physician Dr. Juliet Cervantes said her team is advising Mrs. Arroyo to also take complete voice rest.
“The operation was successful. But right now, she has a hoarse voice, maybe because she kept on talking over the phone for long hours. May konteng swelling,” Cervantes said.
“Just let her rest first for one month,” Cervantes added.
But another doctor in the team clarified that the hoarse voice has nothing to do with the operation on the spine
sabi ng mga doctor, dapat daw ipahinga ang boses ng atleast 1 week… pambihira naman… ilan libong call center agents ba meron ang pilipinas na literal na walang pahinga sa pagsasalita sa loob ng 8 hanggang 12 oras na trabaho halos araw-araw, stress dahil sa mga nangaaway na callers at graveyard shift? sila ba nagkakasakit ng ganyan at kailngan ipahinga ang boses ng isang linggo, bawal magbasa ng balita o manood man lang ng tv. nakakaduda naman.. mukhang ngayon pa lang, pinaghahanda na tayo ng mga doctor ni arroyo na magkakasakit ulit sya makalipas ang ilang linggo o buwan…
Pareho na sila ni Erap, may titanium sa katawan. Kay Erap nasa tuhod, kay Gloria nasa batok. 😛
Sobrang gamit daw sa cellphone? Baka sa kakatawag kay Garci na wag pumiyok.
“Cervical spine injury” – Can you help me with this one?
I knew since grade school that “cervical spine” refers to the spine near/attached to the cervix. Why is it now in the neck?
Gasnun ba talaga kapunggok si Putot nagpang-abot na yung batok at balakang?
“Bawal magsalita” – do I understand right that she cannot appear in any investigation?
Baka naman yung voice box ang inoperahan para mawala yung vocal signature niya made more famous by “Hellow Garshi?”
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As to De Lima’s concluding that FG is still in the country, she better avoid repeating that mistake she made in Lacson’s case. Mike was already filmed in a hotel lobby in Hong Kong.
Ellen, the suicide of the DBP lawyer had something to do with the questionable loans extended to FG friend Bobby Ongpin’s companies in order that Ongpin may purchase Philex stock owned by whom? DBP!
I already opined here several times my suspicions regarding Ongpin’s Ashmore and his fronting for the greedy couple who are apparently laundering their loot locally after being closely watched abroad. Down the line, all the investments fall into the laps of only two cronies – Danding and Manny Pangilinan. Notice the practice of overpriced buying/selling of stocks (even choppers!) These shrewd businessmen wouldn’t expose themselves to risk unless there is a fat profit to make.
Those with financial savvy may read ithere.
#8. Gasnun ba talaga kapunggok si Putot nagpang-abot na yung batok at balakang?
Tongue, ano ba yun! Bwahahahaha! 🙂 🙂 🙂
Bad or(Good) Health have been not kind to the Arroyos lately and that quite unfortunate since they have all the wealth and good times to keep in shape..and to quote Miguel that his kind of illness has only 5 % of survival and 5 years of expected life span left…Had he not think that the alleged money he had taken from the government fund could or may had saved at least one other of his Fellow Filipino Life who never had a chance to undergo procedure that he and his family can afford to undergo at the country Premier Hospital and at Foreign Health Care Facility everytime he is in legal trouble at Home? Is his own Life ever more precious than any of the other Filipino? A child? who never had a chance for the lack of fund stolen? Mike A, to me and millions of your fellow country men, you can go Now…
#10. Dapat si Bobby Ongpin ang nagpatiwarik, ang duwag naman ng DBP lawyer. Kung nagbulgar sya nan uso ngayon e di sana lalabas pa sya na patriot. 🙂
And perhaps I will shed a tear or two of Joy…
chi, nasaan ba yung cervix, nasa batok?
Kanta na lang ako. Doctor, doctor will she die? Yes, my darling, by and by.
I can’t for the life of me imagine how someone could get swollen vocal chords because of using the cellphone. I’m a heavy cellphone user myself that I need to bring extra power supply everyday but I never got hoarse voice swollen vocal chords, its downright impossible – unless you scream on the phone a lot, hmmmmm.
Nataranta yun immigration officer kasi Jose Pidal ang pangalan na ginagamit ni Mike Arroyo sa mga bank account at Archibald Po naman ang ginamit niya dun sa mga helicopter. Nagulat nga ang mga tao dun sa NAIA nung sumigaw yun immigration officer na “Will the real Mike Arroyo please stand up!”
Dun naman sa surgery at vocal chords ni Gloria. May ilang hinala kung bakit siya nagpa surgery:
1. Nagpareconstructive surgery siya ng lalamunan para makapag-duet siya kay Nora Aunor;
2. Para pag-ikinumpara ang boses niya dun sa boses ng babae sa Garci tapes eh si Nora Aunor ang sisihin.
3. Para maka-iwas sa interview
4. Para pagtakpan na yun surgery na ginawa sa kanya ay para naman matigil ulit yun leak sa silicon implants niya.
5. Para naman maiba ang usapan tungkol sa kanya.
6. Wala lang, feel lang niya.
A friend of mine has the most nasty joke, he says Gloria’s condition is some sort of “arthritis of the neck” caused by excessive fellatio.
To those in the dark, Philex is the Phils’ oldest mine. Used to be owned by the Americans. It’s head was Henry Brimo then later formerly Atlas Mining’s Walter Brown took over and surprise of surprises, teamed up with staunch Arroyo supporters/cronies Razon and Aboitiz and cornered many gov’t auctions including the crown jewel that is TRANSCO and explo contracts in Spratlys. Brown is too old to learn new ropes especially in energy and petro so coffee shop stories abound that he merely fronts for the Arroyo’s plundered loot.
Ongpin, also another suspected washing machine of FG, all of a sudden was a major player in both energy and oil – like Philex. Ongpin got a DBP loan to purchase Philex stocks at P12, DBP sold its 50M Philex stocks at the same price. But what do you know, Pangilinan’s First Pacific bought all of it including those remaining with DBP (50M shares more) and all of Ongpin’s at P21 per share. Ongpin (or whoever he is fronting for, if any) made mega bucks on the deal financed by the seller, DBP. Pangilinan’s First Pacific now owns Philex.
Tubong lugaw, pero kung sumablay, pera ng bangko galing sa pondo ng taumbayan ang yari!
jug, din naman hoarse voice daw. Mali lang pagka-transcribe.
HORSE voice daw. Boses kabayo.
jug at 16…that surprise me too since from 6 pm to 8 am evening and weekends talk time on cells over in North America unlimited or Free of Charge or included in the plan and that is the time when almost everyone will yak yak on their cells in just about 300 hundred of more different languages and all in clear voices…the Doctors are also getting corrupted with all these lies. they should also be audited for their Taxes if they pay the right amount…
Whoa, and they hanged Erap because of BW Resources, these guys are giants in this field of expertise! Its pretty clear some rules were broken, will they get away with it?
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In its rule book for banks, BSP said that, regardless of transaction amount, banks should not engage in suspicious transactions. These occur when client is not properly identified; the amount involved is not commensurate with the business or financial capacity of the client, and when there is any circumstance relating to the transaction which is observed to deviate from the profile of the client and/or the client’s past transactions with the covered institution.
Meantime, the Anti-Graft and Corrupt Practices Act holds public officers criminally liable for “causing any undue injury to any party… or giving any private party any unwarranted benefits, advantage or preference in the discharge of his official administrative… functions.” The board members and top executives of DBP, being a state-owned bank, are political appointees.
http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/business/05/25/11/dbp-ongpin-philex-controversial-deals-detailed
Tubong lugaw, pero kung sumablay, pera ng bangko galing sa pondo ng taumbayan ang yari!
– tt
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Susmaryosep! buti na lang hindi sumablay kung hindi “economic sabotage” pangdagdag sa mga kaso ng mga to. At kung masyadong malaki ang damage saan kangkungan kaya tayo pupulutin?
Naman. Yan ang utak wangwang talaga!
Yikes! Hindi pala ganun kasimple dinaanan ni Gloria. Check out cervical spine surgery, be sure you’re not eating anything while viewing the video. Not for the faint hearted.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktW4E3yaD9M
#15. Tongue, ikaw na rin ang nagsabi na hybrid si Putot kaya di nakakataka na ang kanyang cervix ay nasa batok nga! Hahaha!
#17. Hahahahahahahahahaha!!! 🙂 🙂 🙂
Ang sarap tumawa sa ikot-pwet ngayon ng mag-asawang Pidal!
Ang dasal ni Reyna Elena (hindi pa dumadaan dito kaya unahan ko na): “GLORIA, may a penis grow on your vocal chord.”
Comment naman nung isang friend: “That’s a permanent deep throat!”
Mga salbahe! Hahahahaha!!!
Sa himig ng sulat na ito na umiikot ngayon sa internet at latest news na nakalabas na ng hospital si GMA, parang wala siyang seryosong sakit na kailangang operahan. Mukhang kutsabahan na namang nangyayari katulad ng pagkawala ng boses para hindi mapwersang mag-testify:
Dear Dr. Cervantez, sa tgal tagal ko na po na Physical therapist dyan sa pinas at dto sa NY at sa dami na din na na- handle ko na cases na Cervical Spondylosis wala akong maalala na na- paralyze dahil dyan, napakarami na matatanda sa rural areas na may ganyan na walang access sa Rehabilitation pero khit alang treatment di na paparalyze hanggang silay mamatay sa katandaan, ang kanilang nararamdaman… lang ay mejo masakit/ngalay/hirap igalaw ang batok/leeg at may papamanhid sa kaliwa o kanang braso at kamay depende sa lugar na naipit. Ang isa pa pong punto at alam ko na alam nio na di yan Emergency!, yan po ay isang halimbawa ng “degenerative ds. of the spine” so dahan dahan po ang ang processo nyan, Si GLORIA po sa tingin ko sa kanyang kalusugan na base sa aking napapanood sa TV ay di kinakailangan ng Surgery, Conservative treatment lang po ang kailangan nia tulad ng Hot packs, Cervical Traction, Calliet neck exercises at turuan ng Proper body/neck mechanics sa pag-uwi nia sa bahay yon lng po
okay na, pra ma ka attend po cia ng mga hearings sa senado at sa korte, Kapag po ni surgery nio cia mahabang processo pa po yan kase meron pang pre and post surgery rehab pa yon, tatagal pong sobra, alam ko po Dra na alam nio ang aking sinasabi kahit na alam ko na di kayo Physiatrist (rehab dr.). Kaya sana po maging tapat kayo sa inyong sinumpaang Propesyon at di masilaw sa Pera na galing sa Naghihirap na Masang PILIPINO! Di po mga (expletive word deleted) ang mga Pilipino Dra. Cervantez at wag po natin silang lukuhin! Katotohanan lng po! from: GREGORY ANDERSON – a Physical Therapist in the Philippines and now in NYC
Update in Mike Arroyo’s HK trip:
The DOJ chief said upon second look, it was discovered that the former First Gentleman’s surname, Arroyo, was spelled as “Aroyo” in his immigration departure record.
It resulted in Arroyo’s name failing to surface in a subsequent search of bureau records.
“[I] Just verified from BI that indeed FG (Arroyo) went through the immigration counter,” de Lima said.
She also said sorry to Arroyo.
“I humbly apologize in behalf of BI for apparently giving me an erroneous info and/or for committing certain lapses. In any case, I still want to know from BI the true cause for the wrong info,” she said in a text message to ABS-CBN News
http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/08/05/11/de-lima-sorry-arroyo-blooper
Pupuwede bang pa-autopsy itong mag-asawang ito kung totoo nga lahat itong mga medical procedures na ginawa sa kanila. Mukhang kasapakat itong mga Doktor o itong St. Lukes na mismo ng mga magnanakaw … kita niyo pati si Jok-Jok dati ganun din.
Dapat usigin sila kahit ano pa ang mga dahilan nila …. sasamahan sila ng kanilang Doktorang si Cervantes … di ba puwede?.
Kung si Mubarak nga nakahiga at siguro naka-suwero pa sa kama at kasama yang mga Doktor niya habang nililitis ang kabuhungan niya ….. sana ganun din ang gawin. Malaki talaga ang kasalanang nagawa itong mag-asawang Arroyo at alam nilang wala na silang lusot kaya gumagawa ng paraan para hindi sila makasuhan.
Sana naman ganun din itong Gobyernong ito … dapat gumawa rin sila ng paraan para masakote itong mag-asawang ito. Kagaya na lang nung bistado na sila dito sa fertilizer scam dahil kay Ms. Esperat … anong ginawa …… e di binusalan ng bala ang bibig … sana ganun din ang gawin nila dito sa mag-asawang mandarambong …. wag naman yong busalan ng bala ang kanilang mga bibig … kundi kahit pa ano ang dahilan kagaya ng mga ginagawa nila ngayon na mga rason na kaysa may sakit sila … ituloy pa rin ang panghuhusga. Walang awa … awa …. nagkasala sila …. managot sila.
@Jug, #24:
Langyang video yan. Muntik akong masuka. 🙁
Mispelled ‘Aroyo’… sinadya yan! Sino ang nabayaran sa BI?! More than 10 years na nasa news ang Arroyo na double r…nagkamali pa. Naman!
@Jug, #16:
Kwentong kutsero: Kaya namaos si Gloria, kakasigaw at pakiusap daw kay Garci na wag umamin na sila nga yung nagusap sa “Hello Garci” tapes. 😛
Baka meron perang bumara sa cervical spine ni Gloria kaya naging delikado raw ang operasyon. 🙂
Bakit pag involved itong mga Ongpin, merong nagsu-suicide?
Si JVO (Jimmy V. Ongpin) na secretary (of Finance) pa noon ni Cory ay siya mismo ang nagsuicide sa kotse. Walang gustong magsalita sa tunay na dahilan. Kahit ang anak niyang si Apa Ongpin na sikat pa noon, nanahimik lang. Ngayong si Bobby Ongpin naman ang involved, abugado ng DBP ang nagsuicide.
Parehong mining companies pa ang nasa istorya. Yung kay JVO, Benguet Mining (siya ang Pres o Chairman noon bago sumama sa Council of Trent) ngayon kay Bobby, Philex Mining naman.
dapat pa imbestigahan un doktor sa st luke ng mga association ng doktor,, kung un kay hayden kho.. ininbestigahan nila .. ito mas importante..
conspiracy un nangyayari between arryos and st luke doctor..
tangalin ng licensya..
Bakit pag involved itong mga Ongpin, merong nagsu-suicide?
– tt
Tanong nga ni Sax sa ibang thread “suicide or suicided?”
sige kayo, pag nabuwisit yan si ate glo, magpapaayos ng mukha, etc. ala “before and after belo” – kasingganda na yan ng bagong prime minister ng Thailand. sigh, wala ba tayong ganito?
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/36777/thai-lawmakers-vote-yingluck-shinawatra-as-premier
jug, to secure a loan of P510M dapat merong assets more than P1B as collateral. Yan ang safe practice at rule of thumb sa financing. Itong kumpanya ni Ongpin, walang pera. Meron lang silang pang-downpayment worth 20% approved agad ang loan.
Ang matindi nito, ginamit yung pera para bumili ng 50M stocks ng Philex na hawak noon ng DBP. Tumubo naman daw, from P5.06 per naging P12.75 ang benta. Kaso mo, nung binili ni MVP yung Philex, P21 na.
P5.06/share = acquisition cost of 109M Philex shares by DBP
P12.75 = selling price of 50M shares by DBP to Ongpin
P21 = Premium price of MVP for all stock holdings of Ongpin and remaining DBP
P510M = amount of loan by Ongpin
Compute:
P5.06 x 109M shares = P551,540,000 (DBP’s acquisition of Philex shares.)
P12.75 x 50M shares = P637,500,000 (sold to Ongpin)
P637,500,000 – P551,540,000 = P85,960,000 (Profit of DBP)
Ang galing diba?
Less than a month later Binenta ni Ongpin yung bagong bili niyang stocks sa DBP pati yung dati niyang hawak na 22M shares kay Manny Pangilinan @P21 per share. Umangkas na ang DBP tuluyan nang ibinenta pati yung 59M shares na natitira.
P21 x 59M shares = P1,239,000,000 (benta ng natitirang DBP shares)
In total, P637,500,000 + P1,239,000,000 = P1,876,500,000 ang benta ng stocks na binili lang ng P551,40,000. Wow! Halos nagtriple ang pera ng DBP sa Philex investment.
Ang galing!
Mali.
Kung hindi sila nagbenta kay Ongpin at dumirekta kay Pangilinan, P2.289B dapat ang total na benta nila. Hindi P1.8765B lang
Kanino kayang bulsa nagpunta yung P412.5M na nabalewala? Bakit pumayag ang DBP na igisa sila sa sariling mantika? Hindi ba amoy mantikang-BABOY yan?
tt,
Ang galing naman nyan, making money using other people’s money! Hindi nga naman daw ninakaw?
Maybe somebody fancies himself as a Gordon Gecko?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8y6DJAeolo&NR=1
Then again in the end he went to jail.
Ang puhunan laway ng baboy.
Hindi pa nadulas itong walanghiyang P$& T * e na ito. Ang tagal talaga ng buhay ng mga mangdurugas.
Marami pang satsat yang si Cayetano. Bakit hindi niya rin ilabas ang mga kahong kahong ebidensya niya tungkol sa bank account ni Fat Gentleman sa Germany? Where are they now? Yan ang sagutin mo Mr Moon Face.
@no.40 thanks tt for being here.
#40…saludo ako sa iyo tongue,u’ve been a very good resource person here.That is why i’m so obsessed to see this fat guy thrown in a prison cell together with all his accomplices,if we can’t do it now,i don’t think we can have another chance.
Ang masamang damo mahirap talagang mamatay. Samahan pa ng maraming pera. Mahirap talagang mamatay dahil nariyan ang mga doktor na kaya munang bumuhay ng malapit ng mamatay. Pero ang mga doktor din ang sanhi kung bakit may mga tao na namamatay kahit hindi pa oras na mamatay. Kung bakit ko ito nasabi dahil may mga pasyente na dahil hindi tinanggap ng hospital dahil walang pera ay namamatay na lang. Madaming beses ng nangyari ang ganun. Kasi may mga hospital talaga na pera muna bago mag gamot sa pasyente.
Why isn’t there any senate hearing in aid of legislation regarding the DBP issue? Clearly there are loopholes in the system that were taken advantage of? Kung manghihiram sa latest sona, may butas dito na nilusutan?
Yung Hayden Kho scandals nga pinapak nila bakit hindo ba importante to?
Seems familiar. Will this happen to us?
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the super-rich will make more, much much more, and the rest of you will scramble for the crumbs that are left.
Everyone must work! Mom, Dad, the teenagers in the house! Dad, you work a second job! Kids, here’s your latch-key! Your parents might be home in time to put you to bed.
50 million of you must go without health insurance! And health insurance companies: you go ahead and decide who you want to help – or not.
Unions are evil! You will not belong to a union! You do not need an advocate! Shut up and get back to work! No, you can’t leave now, we’re not done. Your kids can make their own dinner.
You want to go to college? No problem – just sign here and be in hock to a bank for the next 20 years!
What’s “a raise”? Get back to work and shut up!
http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/6919-the-day-the-middle-class-died
The U.S. is one big cautionary tale of what will become of us of we allow the big corporations conniving with politicians conniving with government conniving with media will do to the middle class in their greed for more.
after all, her deep weakness is her throat; may kinalaman ba dyan ang pagkain dati ng caviar, escargot, at mamahaling wine?
slight error in computations:
P5.06 x 109M shares = P551,540,000 (DBP’s acquisition of Philex shares.)
P12.75 x 50M shares = P637,500,000 (sold to Ongpin)
P637,500,000 – P551,540,000 = P85,960,000 (Profit of DBP)
The P551,540,000 represent the 109M shares. DBP sold 50M shares to Ongpin not the full 109M shares.
It should be:
P637,500,000 – P253,000,000 (5.06 x 50M shares) = P384,500,00 is the profit of DBP.
Stock markets all over the world are rig with the exception of maybe Germany. Germany’s regulations are very rigid that’s why US Wall Street rejected Germany’s model of stock market because their (US) market makers will end up eating bananas instead of being able to steal people’s money.
It just shows that FG has inside information on that particular stock, Philex shares, but it is hard to prove in court unless someone will blow the whistle.
Ang nakakainis dito kay taba e wala syang sariling perang tinaya o nakaw nyang perang na tinaya. Ang pagkaintindi ko ay 100% margin ang pagbili ni taba ng stock through Ongpin.