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Justifying the Activation of the Bataan Nuclear Power Plant: More Official Abuse of Scientific Data by Dr. Kevin Rodolfo
No distinct evidence of geological structures like fault and fractures are identified BNPP -Geologist
Mark Cojuangco was quoted by Kyodo News as saying, “The design for BNPP is more earthquake resistant than Fukushima. What I’m telling you is that the Bataan plant is a better power plant (design) than Fukushima, although we really need to look at Fukushima as a benchmark.”
Kimi, who has filed a bill to determine the BNPP’s “operability”, acknowledged public sentiments in the light of what is happening in Fukushima. “Pursuing the bill needs to wait,” she said.
The Cojuangco couple should take a look at the findings of the study conducted by the University of the Philippines led by its National Institute of Geological Sciences.
The BNPP was a project by the Marcos government energy department as a solution to the country’s energy problems. It was stopped by the Cory Aquino administration.
I have covered the BNPP way back in the 80’s and there were allegations that showed it was sitting on an earthquake fault but Dr. Carlos Arcilla, director of the National Institute of Geological Sciences (NIGS) at the University of the Philippines, belies that.
Nevertheless BNPP proponents then assured the public that the plant was built to withstand high intensity earthquakes. That was what the Japanese also did in all their nuclear plants including Fukushima Daiichi because it is known that Japan, like the Philippines, is in the so-called “Pacific Ring of Fire”, an area where large numbers of earthquakes and volcanic eruptions occur in the basin of the Pacific Ocean. And look at what is happening now.
Worse than being in an earthquake fault, a recent UP study showed BNPP is “on the volcano”, Mahar Lagmay, one of the scientists that participated in the study, said.
The volcano is Mt. Natib and the BNPP is on its slope, Lagmay said.
There’s a lot of scientific jargon in the study but it’s conclusion is clear enough. It says according to the guidelines of the International Atomic Energy Agency, “… when evidence shows the existence of capable faults within 1 km of the nuclear facility, another site must be considered.”
The study said, “Such is the case for the BNPP where capable faults associated with the Lubao Fault were identified within 1 km of the nuclear power plant.”
Here’s excerpts from the study’s conclusion;” Natib is considered a capable volcano based on evidence of an active hydrothermal system with a magmatic signature and a calculated 1 x 10-4 – 2 x 10-4 per year with 95% confidence interval probability of a future volcanic eruption with VEI 6-7.
“Given that Natib is considered a capable volcano the impacts of volcanic hazards to the site were assessed based on the draft guidelines provided by the IAEA.
“ Among the hazards identified, lava flows and pyroclastic density currents are within the screening distance value (SDV), the maximum distance from the source to the site at which the volcanic phenomenon could be a hazard. Out of all the volcanic phenomena, the occurrence of PDCs and opening of new vents proximal to the NPP do not have any engineering solutions. Lava flow and lahar hazards, however, can be addressed by engineering design.
“ Faults were mapped in southwest Natib with one seen in Napot Point cutting through an indurated lahar outcrop up to the ground surface. Using the second criterion of the IAEA guidelines for seismic hazards, these tectonic structures in Napot Point are evaluated as capable faults because they show a structural relationship with the Lubao Fault, which is considered active based on truncated recent fluvio-deltaic sediments and paleo sea-level reconstruction from a peat layer recording as much as 3.5 m movement over the past 1,500 a BP.”
The study said “Although the work on Natib Volcano is still in progress, enough data has been gathered, sufficient for use as one of the scientific bases for the decision of the Philippine government to recommission or not, the mothballed Bataan Nuclear facility and general hazards preparedness by communities on the slopes of the volcano.”
Aside from NIST, UP’s Marine Science Institute and National Institute for Science and Mathematics Education Development also participated in the study.
Mas matindi itong BNPP sa HR bills. Lahat ng mapalapit diyan ay di na kailangang gumamit ng condom.
Sino ba itong si Mark Cojuangco? kamaganak ba ni Pnoy? Are they experts on these matters…sana…
Noong di pa active ang mga fault lines at yung issue ng bulkan na iyan ay di pa dapat talaga katakutan, eh itinigil ang operation ng BNPP. Siyempre gusto na naman ng mga big oil companies na maging dependent tayo sa kanila.
Ngayong ang mga plates ay gumagalaw na (kahit magkaiba ang plate ng Pinas at Japan) hindi na siya dapat buksan.
Ang mangyayari, kapag tuluyang magkagulo sa Middle East (dahil sa mga anarchist na mahilig sa divide and conquer para sa langis at political influence and power), magkaroon ng oil embargo (huwag naman sana). Kasi kung mangyari iyon ano ang gagamitin ng Pinas para sa enerhiya?
Pwede ng gamitin ang basura. Hindi ba sa payatas, nakagamit sila ng plantsa dahil may enerhiya silang nakuha mula sa tambak ng basura? Ang kailangan lang naman ay pagtuunan ng pansin ng mga kinauukulan yung mga pwedeng kunan ng alternatibong enerhiya.
Iyan ay kung hindi sila papa-uto sa mga kapitalistang linta na mga sugapa at gahaman.
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Hindi na rin kasi sila kumikita mula sa mga brilyante kaya nagpapalawig na sila ng kanilang imperyo para kumita naman sila mula sa langis.
From retired diplomat Hermie Cruz:
“I think the proponents of nuclear power , as well as the critics, are way off in the on-going debate on nuclear power.
“The problems in Japan now is because the Japanese prepared worst case scenarios for only one catastrophe happening at one time i.e. and earthquake of high magnitude. However, they got hit with a one-two punch from mother nature. They got a powerful earthquake which was followed by a tsunami.
“This one-two punch is a scenario that could happen in the Philippines. But we could argue further, that in our case
we should actually prepare for a one-two-three punch scenario. There is a strong earthquake followed by a tsunami.
“And then, unfortunately we got an Ondoy 2. The high floodwaters put out the fire in the nuclear reactor. But the flood spread radioactive waste far and wide to 20% of our land area.
“That is why we should consign to the dustbins of history any proposal to revive the nuclear power option for our country. Sen. Serge Osmena stated that we allow air travel although there is always a risk of a plane crash. However, the worst scenario in an airplane crash even if it involves the Airbus 380, will be 700 casualties, the maximum seating capacity of this plane.
“In a nuclear meltdown specially with a multiple disaster filing on top of each other, like the one-two-three punch from mother nature I indicated above, the catastrophe will be so widespread that only the most avid gambler will dare take the nuclear option.”
The site selection study undertaken prior to building the BNPP was a tedious and expensive process. I should know, we sold the plant. I am not sure about this, but some company bigshots have mentioned that one of the top considerations in the choice of Bataan was because it was accessible to both major US military bases outside of the US – Clark and Subic.
There are several explanations that come to mind.
First, spent fuel storage facilities may be transparently located and monitored – instead of our usual doubts that the US has buried these somewhere deep within the bases. This would be to our advantage.
Second, security of the plant could be enhanced with the US on passive patrol and on active alert should intel reveal possible external hostility or local terrorist attack on the country.
Third, that Subic may expand to house another fleet aside from the 7th Fleet which may then include a nuclear-powered aircraft carrier and several nuclear subs.
The US Bases part of the equation, unfortunately, is no longer a factor.
Hermie Cruz is too focused at the trees he didn’t see the jungle.
“UP study: BNPP is on a volcano” – Ellen’s blog entry.
Archipelagos like the Philippines are produced by upward tectonic(?) push of the earth crust by underground volcanoes. It is not far fetched that the whole Philippines is sitting on a huge volcano.
The earth, by the way, is one big ball-shaped volcano.
Japan did not design their nuclear facilities against HAARP attack. Is there an engineering design that can withstand HAARP?
HAARP Data Says Japan Quake was Induced:
http://www.exohuman.com/wordpress/2011/03/haarp-japan-quake-induced/
ang isyu lang naman dyan e ganito, ano ba ang mas mahalaga? mas mababang presyo ng kuryente o buhay ng tao?
proponents can justify all they want pero kahit sandamakmak na over engineering pa yan para sa isang worst case scenario, you cannot dismiss the inherent unpredictability of nature’s wrath. kahit walang fault dyan sa BNPP site, remember that the Kobe quake was generated by a previously undetected fault. at walang patay na bulkan nor can we predict when it will erupt again. kahit pa sabihing may sapat na oras para i-shutdown ang nuclear plant, malamang wala ring magiging saysay yan oras na daanan ng lava o lahar flow yan.
mabuti sana kung sa oras na magkaproblema ang BNPP ay may kakayahan ang lahat ng apektadong Pilipino na umalis ng bansa kung kailangan mang lumikas. ang kaso, ang mga mayayaman lang tulad nina mark cojuangco ang pwedeng makaalis ng ganun.
sa wari ko, kung di lang talaga sa sobrang kagahaman ng mga nasa poder sa buong mundo, malamang nakahanap na tayo ng paraan para i-harness ang pinaka-abundant na resource sa planeta – ang tubig.
prolema nga sa earthquake ay ang prediction kaya ang mga structures ay design sa lakas ayon sa richter scale. structures naman ay designed for a certain lifetime at kung di na economical o outmoded na ay ang design ay pinapalitan na.kung bakit inihinto ang bataan di ko alam, kung bakit inumpisahan ay di ko rin alam.dapat sana kung inumpisahan ay tapusin at ng magamit man lang. 20 years na sanang nagagamit iyan at maaaring sulit na.ngayon panibagong gastos. sino ang magsasabing mahirap ang pinas kung ang lakas magtapon ng pera..dapat din sana pag aralan nila ang sustainable energies tulad ng solar at wind. materiales sa solar energy ay nasa pinas at ang araw ay matagal pa bago maubos.
I don’t how safe is safe, but even without and Earthquake and Tsunami this could happen…and this plant with 8 nuclear Reactors is only 35 kms from where I live and right on the shore of the Lake…well, the risk is always there…
Pickering nuclear plant ‘leaked radioactive water’
MONTREAL (AFP) – Thousands of liters of radioactive water have been released into Lake Ontario as a result of an accident at a Canadian nuclear power plant, according to authorities.
“The event was a low level regulatory event with only negligible effect to the environment and no public health implications,” Ontario Power said in a statement on Wednesday.
The power company, which is owned by the Ontario provincial government, said 73,000 liters (19,280 gallons) of radioactive water was released into Lake Ontario from the Pickering Nuclear Station.
The Pickering nuclear power station, one of five in Canada, is located 35 kilometers (22 miles) east of Toronto, the country’s largest city with 2.6 million inhabitants.
The company blamed the leak on a faulty pump seal and said it was stopped as soon as it was discovered.
“From a regulatory perspective, this is a very low-level event. There is no impact to quality of drinking water,” the power company said.
The Canadian commission on nuclear safety also said the risk to the environment and human health was “negligible.”
The incident occurred against the backdrop of a nuclear crisis in Japan that has prompted debate in many countries about the safety of nuclear power plants.
tongue is right, the earth’s core is more like the inside of a gigantic volcano, the mother of all volcanoes to be exact.
if its time to go, its time to go.
sai, gaya ng komento ko kay Hermie Cruz, nakatutok lang ang iba sa Nuclear at mabilis na magbigay ng hindi pinag-aralang hatol na delikado ito sa buhay ng tao.
Masama kumpara saan?
Dito sa blog ni Ellen at maging sa Facebbok, ilang beses kong inulit na kahit i-multiply ng isang libong beses ang napruwebahang namatay sa aksidente sa civilian nuclear power plants (34 sa sunog sa Chernobyl, wala pa sa Three-mile Island, wala pa sa Daiichi), hindi ito aabot sa 1/10th of one percent na namatay sa pagmimina ng coal pa lamang.
Sa China pa lamang, may average na mahigit isang libo ang namamatay taun-taon sa pagkuha ng coal na kadalasa’y galing sa pagsabog ng methane. Hindi na natin bibilangin pa ang namamatay sa kanser, emphysema, COPD, at TB sa polusyong galing sa coal power plant na bumubuga ng nakamamatay na sulphur, lead, nitrogen oxides, atbp.
Ganyan din ang epektong galing sa mga thermal power plant na pinatatakbo ng maruming bunker fuel o maging ng diesel.
Ako ay isang aktibong environmentalist at di gaya ng karamihan sa mga pekeng environmentalists, ang nuclear power para sa akin ay isang “green” source of energy kung ang pagbabatayan ay ang dami ng tao na pinatay ng bawat uri ng power plant. Hindi man pinakasafe gaya ng hydro, wind o solar, ang nuclear pa lamang sa ngayon ang naabot ng isip ng mga siyentipiko, katulong ng mga ekonomista at manufacturing engineers ang pinakamataas na uri ng “energy converter” ayon sa teknikal na kakayahan at episyenteng halaga.
Bakit energy converter? Kasi ang energy ay hindi kailanman kayang gawin ng tao o makina man. Ang energy ay maari lamang i-convert mula sa isang anyo patungo sa iba gaya ng solar-to-heat-to-electrical, mechanical-to-electrical, sound-to-electrical, vice-versa, etc.
Ang bawat planta sa buong mundo, para maging economically-viable at competitively-priced, kailangang maibenta lamang sa halagang $0.06 kada Kilowatt. Yan ang dahilan kung bakit hindi maging malawak ang pag-gamit ng solar generator na kasalukuyang nagkakahalaga ng $10.00 per watt. Ang isang energy-independent na bahay na may tamang laki ay gagastos mula kalahati hanggang isang milyon para lamang yan sa solar equipment, di pa natin kinukuwenta ang maintenance at halaga ng real property space na pagtatayuan ng solar collectors natin. Ang payback period para sa ganyang investment ay aabutin ng 60 years kung walang rebate ang gobyerno.
Huwag muna tayong mangarap ngayon ng mga alternative sources gaya ng tidal, maging ng Tesla coil na pang comicbooks pa rin hanggang ngayon dahil hindi yan kailanman papayagan ng sinumang gobyerno na kasalukuyang tumatamasa ng malaking taxes sa mga hydrocarbon fuels gaya ng oil o coal.
At gaya ng huli kong komento tungkol sa radiation, lahat halos ng kinakain ng tao ay may radiation, at ang level na na-detect mula sa gatas ng baka matapos ang aksidente sa Three-Mile Island ay 1/75th lamang ng radiation na nakukuha natin sa pagkain ng isang saging.
Maging matalino sana tayo sa pagkilatis sa propagandang hindi naman suportado ng siyensiya.
#16, Agreed Igan Tongue, walang lesson na natutuhan ang mga Hapones at iba pang mga bansa na patuloy na gumagamit ng nuclear power.
Ngayon e sila mismo ang direct victims ng kanilang nuclear power, kaya walang unang pagsisi kundi laging nasa huli. Nawa ang mga nagsusulong na itayo ang Nuclear plant sa Bataan e magsitigil na, di na baling back to sulo or kandila tayong lahat kaysa naman mangamatay tayong lahat sa dulot ng toxic waste at nakakalason usok nito.
Huwag maging ambisyoso ang ilang mga hardheaded nating Kababayan…NO TO NUCLEAR PLANT?
Ha? Saan ka nag-agree?
tama, paganahin na yang BNPP… para yumaman na ang bansang pilipinas.. tapos kapag lumindol, nagkatsunami o pumutok ang bulkan at naglabas ng masamang radiation ang planta… kumalat sa hangin, bukirin at dagat… madami na tayong perang pambayad sa pagpaayos ng masisira sa kalikasan at kabuhayan… ayosh!
Nialalakad lang namin buhat sa bahay ang BNPP, ayoko nga! Sabi ng tatay ko at matatanda ay dormant ang bulkang Mt. Natib na laruan nila noong araw. Madalas daw nilang nakikita na umuusok ang bulkan kaya nagtaka sila na dyan inilagay ni Marcos ang power plant (dahil ba sa malapit sa China Sea?).
Pinsan ko ay lumaban ng mayor sa partido ni Cojuanco, sinumpa sya lahat ng kamag-anak dahil sa issue ng power plant. Pinulot sa kangkungan at hangga ngayon ay walang ka-bati maliban sa ilan-ilang kapatid.
Bulok na ang BNPP sa loob at labas nagbabayad pa tayo ng utang at interes na napakalaki araw-araw. Kung ilalagay ni Conjuangco na malapit sa bahay niya ang power plant, payag ako, at least nakakasiguro na hindi nakaupo sa bulkan ang power plant.
E-mothball na lang iyang BNPP. Yung Napocor ng lang sa Bani, Masinloc nagdudulot na ng salot sa kapaligiran doon sa amin marami na ang nagkakasakit ng cancer. Lahat ng namamatay sa amin ngayon puro cancer. Dati TB lang ngayon kung ano-anong cancer. Pati manga di na namumunga naging impotence na.
“The design for BNPP is more earthquake resistant than Fukushima. What I’m telling you is that the Bataan plant is a better power plant (design) than Fukushima, although we really need to look at Fukushima as a benchmark.”
Nangu-ulol itong si Mark! Paano nya nalaman e hindi itinuloy ang BNPP? Gusto nya magka-alaman, ilipat nya sa kanyang propert at paandarin!
Japan knows it is sitting on earthquake plates kaya pinagbuti nilang maigi ang palat ng kanilang power plants, para sabihin ng gago na Mark na BNPP is better designed than Fukushima is pambobobo sa pinoy.
Question: Is Mark Cojuangco an experienced nuclear engineer? If not, just shut up! Politics has no business putting people’s lives in jeopardy!
#21. cocoy, pati mangga sa inyo nagka-cancer na, hahaha!
are the japanese even blaming anyone for the nuclear power plant issues?
yan ang problema dito sa atin, kasi hindi natin naiintidihan ang isang bagay matatakot tayo, at lahat tatakutin natin. hindi scientific mag isip ang mga pinoy, superstitious. huwag matakot sa nuclear power, huwag maging makitid ang mga isip.
Oo nga Chi, dati-dati kapag panahon ng manga mga tao sa amin di nila alam kung saan nila gagastusin ang napagbilhan nila,kung pumusta sa sabong daig pa ang mga merchant marines.
Ngayon wala ng masyadong bunga, iyung kinalabaw na manga naging kambing na, mas malaki pa yata ang bunga ng santol.
Prinotesta nila iyang pagpapatayo doon ng panahon ni Tabako, kaso walang nagawa ang mga taga roon kasi iyung may mga ari ng lupa nasilaw sa maraming milyones kada hectarya.Iyung sa amin lang sa duhok ang di nila nabili kasi 80M lang ang offer.
Pati punong bayabas at madre kakaw ay binibilang nila sa lupa, 50T ang isang puno na babayaran liban pa sa halaga ng lupa. Sino ang hindi masisilaw sa offer nila, masubukang mamuhay ng milyonario ang katwiran nila noon. Ngayon todas na yata kasi lahat ng mga nagbenta doon ay bumili ng bagong sasakyan at naguha na ng maids. Mga Milyonrio kasi. Ngayon nasan na sila. Poor na rin ang iba na hindi marunong humawak ng pera.Dumami ang beeer house doon at imported pa ang mga GRO. Laging puno at nagbabasagan sila ng mukha pag inagaw ang mga ka tibol nila.
Sabagay maganda ang nangyari doon ngayon kasi marami ang nagtayo ng mga private beaches pag summer puno ang mga itinayong cottage. 3,000 a night pag may aircon. May gate entrance na pag pasok sa beach kahit mamasyal lang sa tabing dagat, pero malinis kasi tabi mo linisin mo at marami ang mga nagtayuang karenderia sa tabi tabi ng Napocor para sa mga Emplyado doon. Utang muna ang tsibug at bayaran pag sahod. Marami na ring ang umasenso doon na nag papauap ng room sa mga employee galing sa ibang lugar.
—– WARNING!!! WEST COAST HAARP ATTACK IS NEXT ——
Yong nangyari sa Japan ay parang test run lang kung ano ang mangyayari sa US. Ang susunod na puntirya ng HAARP attack ay yong San Francisco area, may nuclear plants diyan na di kalayuan.
Kung ako sa inyo na nasa Cali ay mag imbak na kayo ng pagkain, tubig, gasolina, at iba pang kailangan nyo. Kung kaya ninyong umalis ng California agad ay mas mabuti.
Dapat bombahin na ng Russia o China yang HAARP na yan.
Kung ako ang may ari ng bahay sa California ay ipagbibili ko agad dahil siguradong baba na naman ang presyo ng bahay jan pagkatapos mangyari ang HAARP attack jan.
lahat gusto magkaroon ng trabaho dito sa pinas, paano? we need to jumpstart manufacturing and other industies but the cost of power is nipping this in the bud, operating costs are high, sinong makaka afford magbigay ng increase sa mga trabahante? its either we go nuclear, properly, or we continue sending our people abroad because we are not that productive locally. is there any other choice? solutions ang kailangan not superstition and unfounded fears and fear mongering. we need to look at empirical data not irresponsible conclusions, scientific study not hearsay.
if anyone can offer viable alternatives to power in the short term and long term lets have it!
Maiksing komento sa ilang implikasyon na mangyayari kapag nangyari na ang HAARP attack sa west coast ng US:
1. Kung ang average price ng gasolina sa US ay $4, pag nangyari na ang attack ay hindi malayong tumaas agad ang gasolina sa $6 o $7 per gallon dahil wala na yong nuclear energy, umaasa na lang sa gasolina lahat.
2. Bankrupt na ang California ngayon baka mapilitan ng mag file ng bankruptcy sa korte ang California. Ano ang ibig sabihin non?
Kapag nag file ng Bankruptcy ang State ay katulad yan ng individual bankruptcy filing na tinatawag na Chapter 11 sa US. Kapag nag file ka ay lahat ng liability mo ay dissolved o lalabas na wala ka ng utang. Yang pension funds ay utang o liability ng State. Kaya kung mag file ng Bankruptcy ay wala na silang utang sa pension funds meaning? hindi na sila obligado na magbayad ng pension sa mga taong dating tumatanggap ng pension na galing sa State.
Yong lahat ng umaasa na pension na galing sa State ay cut-off agad, kasama na rin doon ang county at city o municipal pensions ay cut-off din. Kung ang tinatawag na pension na CCI ay galing sa state ay siguradong cut-off din yon agad. Ang hindi pa maka cut-off sa ngayon ay yong pension na galing sa federal katulad ng SS pension.
3. Ang presyo ng pagkain ay tataas at ganoon din ang mga gamit katulad ng mga damit at iba pa.
4. Lalong maraming private companies ang maba bankrupt at lalong maraming tao ang mawawalang ng trabaho. Hindi lang sa California kundi sa buong US. Ang taxes na tinatanggap ng Counties at Cities ay liliit din kaya bankrupt din sila. Kapag nag file ng bankruptcy ang private companies ang pag kaalam ko jan ay cut-off din yon pension funds ng mga dating tauhan nila.
@33: ALL ifS! Conspiracy theories! Any idiot can say whay you’re saying but they’re IFS.
HAARP is not even talked about in the three big networks, let alone cable news. Another IFS.
@32: didn’t we had one poster here before gloating that electricity can be harnessed and free to everyone in Pinas? Forgot his name.
Isn’t it ironic that the late Cory stopped BNPP when it was the nuclear aircraft carrier Enterprise came to her rescue upon request, with it’s fighter planes who scared those who attempted coup on her.
Years if not decades of complacency gets distorted by mother nature. Panic sets in. Accidents happen, Pinas can be inundated by tsunami tomorrow and get wiped out, and some people might even say “good riddance”.
Dick Nixon never complained about Nuclear Plant San Onofre knowing it’s nearby his hometown of San Clemente in California. So was Reagan, Diablo Canyon Nuclear Plant is closeby his hometown of Santa Barbara.
Nuclear energy is clean, and if you’re opposed to it; have your electricy shut down if it’s coming from these two plants (those californians).
Going back to the Nuclear Aircraft Carrier Enterprise, it’s ending a 50 years or so nuclear service for the US military soon with no known accidents and deaths from it’s eight reactors. Been a pleasure to have served onboard the big E.
Kimi Cojuangco used to be a mayor of one town in Pangasinan. How on earth she became a congresswoman for Tarlac? Another only in da pilipins adage?
Next thing you know you will be posting in this blog from a FEMA camp.
Radiation in Tokyo Same as Eating 1.5 Bananas
Lucky bananas:
http://modernmarketingjapan.blogspot.com/2011/03/radiation-in-tokyo-same-as-eating-15.html
18. TonGuE-tWisTeD – March 24, 2011 1:34 am
RE: #18, Ha? Saan ka nag-agree? Naku hayan na ang epekto ng Daiichi nuclear power mukhang inabot ka na Igan Tongue hehehe.
Agree ako sa iyong thread #18 about sa maayos mong explanation about the danger ng alternative nuclear power siyang isinulong ng mga vested interest na Pinoy na buhayin ang BNPP or yaong foreign countries na magkaroon sila ng nuclear power to help them na makatipid sa gastusin sa pagkunsumo ng elektrisidad.
Delikado pala in the long run ang epekto ng nuclear power toxic gas sa kalusugan ng tao at maging ang tubig o pagkain na siya dapat ikabubuhay ng madlang people.
RE: Kimi Cojuangco used to be a mayor of one town in Pangasinan. How on earth she became a congresswoman for Tarlac? Another only in da pilipins adage? ~tru blue
Maka-sabat na po, even na out of tune ang question mo Igan? Simple lamang ang rason, before the election syiempre nagtayo or may existing house yan sa Tarlac although prior na naging Mayor siya sa isang town sa Pangasinan.
Sure na nagchange yan ng residency at doon nag register sa Tarlac kaya nakapagfile ng candidacy at pinalad na manalo.
Pinoy politics nga naman…kaya korek ka sa iyong sapantaha na onli in d’Pinas kasi nga naging career na sa karamihang pulitiko ang pagkakitaan ang paglilingkod-bulsa…instant millionaire kaagad.
Yon lang!
RE: 14#, I don’t how safe is safe, but even without and Earthquake and Tsunami this could happen…and this plant with 8 nuclear Reactors is only 35 kms from where I live and right on the shore of the Lake…well, the risk is always there… ~vic
Beware Ka Vic, kasi nga po e ang lapit nýo sa nabanggit na nuclear reactors so alam naman natin in the long run ang epekto nito e saka pa lamang mafeel ng sinumang kinauukulan.
Ang toxic emmission ng gases or any form of toxic materials na ginagamit dito e kahit papaano e mayroon emmission na pwedeng humalo sa hangin or water na kung saan nakapwesto ang power plant na yan.
Sa ngayon, Oks lang wala pa kayong nararamdaman and later or sooner di natin hawak ang epekto ng radiation nito. Yaon ngang paggamit na cell phone e base sa pag-aaral e may risk daw sa kalusugan ng mga users, ito pang nuclear reactors na halos malapit lang sa pamayanan ng tao.
Hope na hangga’t di pa huli ang lahat e try your best to find another place to live e ka nga away from nuclear reactors para safe ang buong pamilya mo di ba.
# 33
Among government entities, only a municipality may file for bankruptcy.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/usc_sec_11_00000109—-000-.html
§ 109. Who may be a debtor
subsection (c)
Chapter 11 bankruptcy is a reorganization, or a debt-rescheduling. It is not liquidation. Under a reorganization, some assets are sold, so that some debts may be immediately paid. The debtor will submit a repayment plan to be approved by the judge, for the remainder.
An example is Borders bookstore, or Kmart. Some stores were sold, to provide liquid assets. But the company is not dissolved. Debts are rescheduled, not discharged, as in the case of Chapter 7.
Sa New York, three of five Borders bookstore were closed, and their assets sold. Diyan masarap mamili. Bargain lahat, puwera lang yung magandang kahera.
Kung nasa tabi pala ng bulkan ang BNPP di iconvert nalang ng geothermal ang source ng energiya.
Palagay ko Balweg, ikaw ang naapektuhan ng kakakain ng saging. Si Cocoy na mismo ang nagsasabing marami sa kanila ang nagkaka-cancer dahil sa power plant sa Masinloc.
Ano’ng planta ba ang nasa Masinloc? Nuclear ba? COAL PLANT yun! Sa Fukushima, papayag ba ang mga Hapon na singhutin ang kemikal na nakakakanser? Ang mga Hapon mataas ang mga pinag-aralan, alam nilang mas safe sila sa nuclear kesa sa COAL. Di tulad dito, tsismis lang ng mga leftist, canceled agad ni Cory yung BNPP. Di ginamitan ng utak ang desisyon, kundi ng emosyon.
Matagal pang panahon ang gugugulin para mataos kung ang mga magkakakanser doon sa Fukushima (kung meron man) ay galing sa Daiichi plant. Kung sa 3-Mile island, halos 40 years nang nangyari, ni isang kaso ng kanser na direktang resulta, wala!
Nag-iingat lang ang gobyerno ng Japan para walang bulilyaso sa darating na panahon pero hindi ibig sabihin na mamamatay na silang lahat doon.
Sinagot ko yung tanong ni sai sa itaas, ano raw ba ang mahalaga, presyo ng kuryente o buhay ng tao? Siyempre buhay. Ikaw , gusto mo bang magkakanser, gaya ng sabi ni Cocoy, meron sa paligid ng Masinloc Coal Plant? Baka gusto mong itanong kay Ellen kung anong pakiramdam ng naging biktima nito.
Kaya naman ang paliwanag ko ay comparison ng mga namatay sa coal plant versus nuclear plant.
So far 34 ang direktang namatay sa meltdown sa Chernobyl, lahat sila mga bumberong lumaban sa apoy. Sa 3-Mile – zero. Sa Fukushima – zero pa rin.
Sa COAL, milyong tao na ang namamatay at nagkasakit/nagkakasakit.
Kung papipiliin ka sa dalawa lang, saan mo gustong tumira, sa tabi ng Coal Plant o sa tabi ng Nuclear Plant?
Well, if you consider that in our Province there are 18 nuclear reactors generating about half of the Province electricity requirement of 26000 mW and as I posted, 8 of them just kms and in the area of the most popolous metropolitan of the whole country and they were there for more than 40 years in operation already…(two of them will be decommission in 2012) and so far, there is no evidence that it causes significant increase in rate of cancer incidence…my close friend and relative who worked in the plant as power engineer, contracted Lung Cancer but it was for excessive smoking, not from radiation for more 30 years of working in the plant…and the government is building two more power plants as it scrapped the planned windmill project…there is always the risk, but in a worst case scenario, it is not anyworse than any disaster that occurs naturally every now and then..otherwise we all be packing and move to nuclear free places, like newfoundland or alta (it also is construction its own nuclear plant)well, there is no place where it is free of nuclear power plant anyway…
And the very good thing about these Nuclear Generators are since that last power outage, that hit the Northeast way back some years ago, this power source is almost fail safe..we have very rare power interruption since then and the rate is still one the cheapest…average rate of 7 cents perkWh can only be possible with Nuclear power..try that with other power source..
Sa coal, magkakasakit ka sa normal na operasyon nito. Sa nuclear magkakasakit ka lang kung merong aksidente.
Sa tatlong aksidenteng nangyari – 3-Mile, Chernobyl, Fukushima – natukoy na na ang salarin ay ang pagkawala ng power sa mga computer, sensors, actuators, monitors kaya di nila alam ang nangyayari sa loob ng reactor.
Sa 3-Mile at Chernobyl, nasa kalagitnaan sila ng simulation tests kung saan sinadyang patayin nila ang power sa mga recording/measuring gadgets. Magkakasunod na human error ang tuluyang sumira sa dalawang planta.
Sa Fukushima, nag-automatic shutdown ang planta nung lumindol kaya nawalan ng power. Merong sanang standby generators na magsu-spply ng power para sa cooldown sequence kaso pati iyon ay sinira ng tsunami.
Di lang double redundancy o triple redundancy ang solusyon, marami pa. Noong idesign ang Daiichi, hindi nakonsidera ang malakas na tsunaming maaaring sumunod sa lindol.
Ngayon, mas marami nang natuto kaya isa yang konsiderasyong siguradong ipatutupad ng IAEA sa design, construction, at retrofit ng mga bago at lumang planta.
Gaya ng marami dito, hindi ako naniniwalang safe pa ang BNPP sa kasalukuyang kundisyon. Maari lamang yang paganahin kung gagastusang muli para masusing irepair o rehab kung kinakailangan. Isa akong masugi na naniniwala sa Murphy’s Law: lahat ng maaring sumablay, sasablay. Mapapayapa lamang ang isang tekniko kung lahat ng sablay ay maitutuwid o maaalis.
Huwag maging sarado ang utak sa paniniwalang wala namang matibay na basehan sa siyensiya o experience.
Sabi nga ni juggernaut, superstitious tayo. Natatakot sa bagay na tsismis lang ng kung sinu-sino.
Kung ganyan ang ating pamantayan, di ako magugulat na isang araw may sarili nang simbahan ang mga Pinoy at ang diyos ay si Boy Abunda.
trublue,
inggit ako sa yo. Nung bata pa ako ay pangarap kong makasakay diyan sa Enterprise, matapos kong makita ang higanteng Kittyhawk sa Subic noon. Ngayon ay ang USS Ronald Reagan na yata ang pinaka- sa lahat ng ACs pero hindi ito makakalapit man lang dito sa Pinas dahil pinagbawal ng Cory Constitution.
#45 saxnviolin, you are right, only municipalities can file bankruptcy among government entities.
States like California don’t need or required to file bankruptcy due to: “sovereign immunity, as protected by the 11th Amendment, which means they can’t be sued. In other words, they don’t need any protection from angry creditors who would take them to court for failing to pay their debts.”
http://www.slate.com/id/2246915/
I should have said Chapter 7 instead of Chapter 11. You are right about that too.
It is my bad, thanks for the correction.
vic,
Thanks for the enlightenment. Just goes to show the unfounded paranoia (or plain ignorance) of many as it pertains to the real “green” sources of energy.
I don’t know if the Walden North Plant is in your province but I’m proud to say that I supervised the manufacture of the relay and control panels costing several millions of C$ that were supposed to be installed there. I was actually preparing for the Canada trip when our Canadian partner backed out of our IPP deal to build a 300-600MW combined-cycle thermal plant in Bauang, La Union in 1992. Legal suits soon followed and we scrapped both deals altogether. The panels were held hostage in our warehouse.
Suffice it to say, our Pinoy engineers are capable of designing, manufacturing, installing and operating complex electrical equipment using world-class standards (in Walden North’s case, Canada’s CSA and US’ IEEE/NEMA standards).
It’s disheartening to read self-flagellating comments about our assumed incompetence and that everything Pinoy-made is suspiciously inferior. We’ve never really outgrown our colonial mentality over 400 years. Doubly saddening when you read them from compatriots supposed to be living in modern first world countries.
From an interview of PBS Newshour:
xman: radiation is equivalent to 1.5 bananas? ang mga unggoy mahilig kumain ng bananas..ang ibig sabihin ba nito ay radiant sila? gaya ng unggoy mahilig ako kumain ng saging but hindi sagging ang kutis ko…radiant..kaya seguro.
Are we concerned only about today and ourselves and not the future of the whole planet and the future generations?
A peek on MIT report on “The future of nuclear energy”(2003):
rose, hindi talaga banana radiation ang punto doon…
rose, check my comment #16 and Ellen’s post on the Fukushima tragedy.
Fukushima Engineer Says He Helped Cover Up Flaw at Dai-Ichi Reactor No. 4
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-03-23/fukushima-engineer-says-he-covered-up-flaw-at-shut-reactor.html
Dr. Carlos Arcilla, Director of UP-NIGS: “No active fault at BNPP”
xman, (#60)
the fact that Reactor No. 4 had been operating continuously since 1974 further bolsters built-in safety considerations of nuclear reactor parts that are intrinsically overspecified and overdesigned in order to withstand even the most careless manufacturing processes.
Not really nice of him to say that now, although it makes good material for The Twilight Zone.
Japan’s deadly game of nuclear roulette
http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/fl20040523x2.html
BTW, trublue, the eight reactors propelling and powering Enterprise were supplied by the same company that supplied BNPP – Westinghouse Electric – was never involved in a nuclear accident.
Three-Mile was by Babcock and Wilcox, Fukushima by General Electric. Chernobyl was Ukranian/Russian.
If a magnitude 8.9 and a tsunami hit the Philippines, compared to what happened in Japan; there will be more deaths, injuries and destruction to infrastructure. The whole economy will be on a stand still and food and water supplies will be contaminated not with radiation but with all sorts of germs and bacteria causing diseases. Wala pa tayong nuclear plant sa lagay na yan ha. 😛
# 65
And may I add, lahat ng poste ng meralco tumba lahat. 😛
Any alternative energy source in the short and long term? We already have them: hydro electric plants,geothermal plants, mini-hydro in
rivers, windmills from Denmark,Dendrology (firewood as source of power) coal fired thermnal plants,so far;
The problem with most highly politicized like us is the reaction and suspicion we get if we are pushing something with conviction. We get suspected of selfish benefits we can derived from our advocacies.
As if we stand to benefit from the positions we take. This has already happpened in the corruption of NGOs which became government
instruments of cover ups.
If we believe what we say about us. about our capacity to withstand serious calamities,
Having a few nuclear plant will be of no consequence.
I am amazed at the nonchalance and indifference I observed in the deaths every year caused by typhoons, floods, landlides, fires, etc.
Almost one hundred million. We need lots lots of energy for civilized living.
OT.
Dito tayo dapat matuto sa mga Japanese. Calling DPWH!!!
Japan fixed this quake-damaged road in just six days
http://jalopnik.com/#!5785281/japan-fixed-this-quake+damaged-road-in-just-six-days
“The problem with most highly politicized like us is the reaction and suspicion we get if we are pushing something with conviction. We get suspected of selfish benefits we can derived from our advocacies. As if we stand to benefit from the positions we take.” – humus
Exactly. You provide people with a better alternative and in return, you become suspect for your motives.
Such a selfish mindset has no place in the Globalized Neighborhood. In-the-box thinking limits their choice to mere preservation the status quo and no serious attempt to modernize and stay abreast with the rest of the economic giants by playing the major league.
But no, we are contented in our own little barangay intramurals and will not dare take the necessary risks everybody else around us is taking. Here, mavericks are frowned upon, innovators are criticized, and inventors (like Dingle and his water-fueled car) are treated as lunatics. Those who are strong-willed enough to jumpstart their projects are suddenly barred by locals whose “not-in-my-backyard” approach to every technological breakthrough soon loses the appetite for providing solutions.
We are not lacking in human intelligence when it comes to technology-based products and processes, almost all top research institutions worldwide have Pinoys among their cream. It’s just that people will believe the likes of a Sharon Cuneta, the local parish priest, or the corrupt mayor over a MIT-trained technocrat who talks textbook jargon and possesses no charisma at all. Mining is bad. Nuclear is bad. GMO is bad. Stem-cell harvesting is bad. Yeah, everything new is bad. But these are the very same people clamoring for CHANGE.
Add a sprinkle of superstition here and there and the project is forever doomed. Never mind the economic benefits and the long term outlook for a more sustainable human-friendly planet for generations to come. What is important to them is the here and now.
Now, who is the real selfish one?
thanks tongue for noticing my 2 par postings.
they are supposed to be positive. the first about what we already started and can improve.
the second is an encouragement to trail blazers.
The key word is UNDAUNTED, yes, we should be, thats hos we should take on real life.
After all that’s been said about this subject matter, may I suggest that all those who want to have a nuclear plant should transfer their abode within a 10 km area of the plant.
God, we can’t even run our Bicol Express and MRT/LRT trains. Nuclear plant pa kaya. We can’t even put order and safety in that one stretch of a historical highway that is EDSA.
Unless this country shows a high level of discipline and integrity and rejects shortcuts and corruption, nuclear facilities are too risky.
I am tempted to say for free or reasonable house and lot price I will transfer outside the fence of BNPP. I will even work and be
housed in the plant site. But that’s not the point. To be dauntless and undaunted against these daunting (play with words only)
pros and cons about nuclear energy, indicates soundness of the views of the citizenry.
Oh Yes I am for a few nuclear plants, three at the least provided, the projects are not going to enrich some criminal politicians
and business men among us, which did not happen in countries with sucessful and long time safe nuclear plants.
who dares, wins.
Humus, please so something about your margins so your comment won’t look like they are poems.
Thanks.
Because of our geographic location and being in the same archipelago where there is too much tectonic and volcanic activities, the hazards outwiegh the benefits. If we were in a zone where we need a lot of fuel to warm us (like countries with winter) or cool us (desert countries with so much heat) then we should seriously think about a nuclear plant. But we are so blessed with good overall temperature. We too have alternative sources of energy. We just have to harness these. Too risky to open this plant when it is too close to a volcano that is much larger that Mt Pinatubo.
And too close to a known fault!
Why don’t we just jointly explore the oil rich Spratly’s so we would have our own oil source? Brunei is very close to us and is very oil rich. Maybe we have so much oil around us too we just have not explored these.
Ang daming taong takot sa radiation leak; pati Tokyo, takot sa emissions ng Fukushima.
How much radiation can leak from a nuclear plant anyway? Is it any bigger than nuclear weapons? I’m sure the doomsayers will say no.
When the bombs were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, did it affect Osaka? Osaka is about the same distance from Hiroshima as Fukushima is from Tokyo. We’re talking weapons grade radiation here, which immediately killed 70,000 to 80,000 people.
The impact of the bomb was felt within a 10 km radius from Hiroshima. Ganyan din ang Chernobyl, limited to 30 km ang radius of impact. Here is a comparison of Chernobyl versus other nuclear accidents, and Hiroshima:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_compared_to_other_radioactivity_releases
Ang suwerte naman ng mga oilmen. Just when Bam was suggesting discussing nuclear power for electricity, nangyari yang tsunami. And the gullible Americans, nagsipagbilihan ng gamot sa California. How gullible are they? Nakaapekto ba sa California ang Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Ngayon takot sila sa munting probable radiation?
Sabagay, yan ding mga Kanong yan ang naniniwala kay Sarah Palin, and the claim that Bam’s health care law would institute “death panels” for grandma. Whatever the merits of the health care law, fantastic masyado yang death panels. Yang mga Kanong yan din ang naniniwalang hindi Kano si Obama; that includes my La Salle educated former Navy man cousin.
Talaga nga naman. Kapag nauna ang puso sa utak, hahamakin ang lahat, huwag lang mabitawan ang prejudice. Patawad sa pangit ng paraphrasing Ka Balagtas.
Talk about gullibility; nakuryente si Carmen Pedrosa. She wrote an article quoting the Mosquito Press (blog ng taga Pe-yups).
http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?publicationSubCategoryId=64&articleId=669903
http://mosquitopress.net/post/3854901510/harvard-study-finds-that-filipinos-are-the-worlds-most
Nasaan na ang first principle of journalism, the search for the truth, or the checking of facts?
Basahin niyo yung article ni Pedrosa. Maybe it is I who am gullible. Baka satire din yung kanya.
Sax and Tongue, I am not opposed to nuclear energy kaya nga lang itong isang ipinatayo na ito, masyadong malapit sa known fault and a large volcano. Yung ngang eruption ng Mt Pinatubo nakarating ang ashes sa New York eh. Eh kung mag-erupt itong isang malaking volcano na malapit sa existing nuclear plant na ito, hindi lang double kundi triple tragedy: earthquake, tsunami and volcano explosion. If we are trying to use this existing structure na ito na hindi masyadong napagaralan ang sitedelikado. We might as well build a better one, may be more expensive but in a safer area. All the data we have on these tectonic, volcanic and geologic mapping were all started only 30 years or so ago. This Marcos built nuclear plant was erected just about that time. Therefore, the site was not really studied well yet when it was erected. This is just my concern. Nagtitipid tayo but the repurcussions on the lives and properties may outweigh the benefit we can get by utilizing this existing plant. Kung hindi ninanakaw ang pera ng kaban ng bayan in the past 25 or more years, kahit na siguro tatlong nuclear plant, we can easily build. Ang issue ay palaging pera but the real issue is really the misused resources.
Why wont Pnoy have the site and the structure re-evaluated not by our own scientists and technical men but those who have worked on installing the most nuclear plants in the world and are capable to maintain them. I wont depend on a UP or MIT or any top shot scientist ( Although we had produced a lot of good ones working for NASA and the like)if they had no exposure to the actual operation of one nuclear plant. I will consult with the ones who built the US, Russia and Japanese nuclear plants. If they say the current nuclear plant built by Marcos is safe and sound with a few retrofit works, I will believe them. Marami na tayong nasayang na oras sa haka haka natin. Pay a professional to tell us what to do. I am not belittling our capabilities to assess the risk factor. Wala lang tayo talagang actual experiences to run even just ONE nuclear plant.
There are things that first world countries can do because they have the resources and MATURITY to handle the offshoot of whatever negative impact it may have on their citizens and properties. Tayo, walang wala. Walang resources wala pang maturity. And most of our decision makers are not really those I would say are “trustworthy”. Karamihan sa mga nasa pwesto eh one way or the other got involved in corruption and wrong doing one way or the other.
When I mentioned “MIT-Trained technocrat” I meant Massachusetts Institute of Technology not Mapua. Pasintabi sa mga Mapuans, who worked with us on the Bataan Nuclear Plant.
Hindi hakahaka yung akin PSB, this is first-hand experience speaking to you (limited to documentation, though). If the BNPP files have not been taken from my custody, I assure you, you would have known first hand the details of ALL pre-construction studies. We paid American and Japanese engineers and scientists in millions of dollars precisely to come up with the best site for the complex. If I remember right, it was the USS Engineers, Inc. that spearheaded the study. And if you think that study was final, you’re wrong again.
Politics had little to do with the plant, maybe the overprice and some issues with the US bases and that’s it. It was purely a technical/scientific affair. Hands-off ang politiko diyan.
If you believe all the negative propaganda about BNPP. Westinghouse would have gone out of business thirty years ago. They have sold almost all their other businesses to the Germans, Swedes, and Australians and retained ONLY their nuclear plant division (now owned by Toshiba)which still builds plants, some very similar to ours, to this day. South Korea for one, is pursuing 12 more nuclear plants, one going online every year starting 2013.
C’mon, do you think they would risk losing all these nuclear business worth Billions by doing haphazard construction in Bataan, if we were to believe the critics? Just to make sure the job was credible (owing to our colonial mentality) we had to pay dearly for more “white” supervisors just to make sure “everyone saw” that they were with us every step of the way. And we blame that on Marcos.
BTW, Aside from the Nuclear Division, Westinghouse has also retained their cartoon franchise business (Under CBS corp.)- Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles – among others. I’m not sure if these are still accurate, as we’ve given up Westinghouse after the sale to Siemens, ABB, EmWest, etc and we began representing G.E. & Eaton starting Y2K.
#81 snv:
“Ang daming taong takot sa radiation leak; pati Tokyo, takot sa emissions ng Fukushima.”
Nag e evacuate na ngayon ang Tokyo. Ang pagkaintindi ko ay hindi lang Tokyo kundi ang buong Japan.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Weao6HS9SI&feature=player_embedded
#81 snv:
“How much radiation can leak from a nuclear plant anyway? Is it any bigger than nuclear weapons? I’m sure the doomsayers will say no.”
“The impact of the bomb was felt within a 10 km radius from Hiroshima. Ganyan din ang Chernobyl, limited to 30 km ang radius of impact. Here is a comparison of Chernobyl versus other nuclear accidents, and Hiroshima…”
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So, volatile radioactive elements are already being lofted into the jet stream and spread across continents. What’s different here is that the quantities are much larger than they were at Chernobyl, thus, the dangers are far greater. According to the same group of scientists “the Fukushima plant has around 1760 tonnes of fresh and used nuclear fuel on site” (while) “the Chernobyl reactor had only 180 tonnes.”
Spent fuel rods from each unit of the Fukushima plant are releasing the equivalent of 92,000 nuclear bombs,…
Each unit has 400 assemblies of spent fuel rods, with 60 spent fuel rod for each assembly. Each individual rod holds 72 pounds uranium, as opposed to a 20-pound uranium payload for a nuclear bomb.
This radiation from 4 units time 92,000 nuclear bombs is now being released into the troposphere, and traveling at below 300 feet altitude over Japan and the western United States.
Yang health care program ni Obama at citizenship issue at talakayin ko pagdumating ang tamang blog topic dahil hahaba lang.
Hala, umabot na raw ang radiation sa Pinas. Evacuate na kayo! Mamamatay na tayong lahat.
TT: Pinas Nuclear experts will never get a chance to show their mettle in this particular field. Sikat lang ang noypi in areas like singing, acting, and of course graft and corruption.
Just came back from a weeklong vacation in Honolulu, and anti-nuclear activists seemed to have the upper hand when the issue of building a nuclear plant was again raised and doomed by the Japan crisis.
Wifey grew up in Honolulu in the 60’s, and it’s waters/beaches are still beautiful as ever. Do I blame the majority who opposes a nuclear plant in the state? Simply no, because of the horrible photos of the damaged nuclear plants they’ve seen in Japan and destroyed their good ways of lives. These horrific scenes are always in the back of most hawaiian citizens and don’t want a part of that, damaging their beautiful state.
But wait! Some of these anti-nuclear energy freaks must be reminded that only 13 miles away is Pearl Harbor and Submarine Base Hawaii; where a few SSBN’s are homeported. These subs are quietly sitting there; quietly go out for several months and return after their patrols – no accidents whatsoever or leaks, and Hawaii is still pretty.
I’d like, in my lifetime, to see mother earth ran out of oil completely…now what?