I admired her for standing her ground with the recommendations of the Incident Investigation Review Committee even as President Aquino did not adopt them to protect persons close to him.
But I am disturbed by De Lima’s eagerly executing the assignment Gloria Arroyo had given to the Department of Justice which was to make sure that Sen. Panfilo “Ping” Lacson is put behind bars. It’s implementation was not carried out when Lacson went underground towards the end of her term.
What crime has Lacson committed against the Filipino people that he should be behind bars? None.
But Lacson has exposed various government anomalies involving Arroyo and her husband Mike . While in power, the Arroyos were able to stall investigation of the scams which were leading to them.
The Arroyos are sidelined from power now but their network is still intact. That is true at the Department of Justice. One still remembers how agents of the National Bureau of Investigation, which is under the DOJ, gloated over the prospect of seeing Lacson in jail.
President Aquino’s detached style of governance allows the secretaries to freedom to run his or her department the way they want it. De Lima should understand that Aquino won running under the platform of “Change”. If the people wanted a continuation of Gloria Arroyo, they would have voted for Gibo Teodoro, who said he would continue many of Arroyo’s policies and programs.
What is happening now at the DOJ is, instead of De Lima revamping the department and instituting reforms, getting rid of the corrupt prosecutors and employees, she is the one that is being swallowed by the rotten system.
De Lima would like us to believe that she is helpless because there was already a warrant of arrest issued. That is pathetic. Couldn’t she see that the process that led to the issuance of that warrant of arrest was suspect?
That warrant of arrest was issued by a judge, who was immediately promoted by Arroyo, based on the affidavit of Mancao who said in a radio interview while he was in the U.S. that he was contacted by the them chief of the Intelligence Service of the Armed Forces of the Philippines, Brig. Gen. Romeo Prestoza and promised him financial security including relocation to Singapore.
Lacson asked for a re-investigation hoping that under this administration, the truth would come out.
But no, de Lima wants to arrest Lacson and was even reported to be open to increasing the bounty for the senator’s head to P2 million.Fortunately, Interior Secretary Jesse Robredo did not go for it.
That would have been ridiculous. Anti-crime crusader Teresita Ang See said even notorious criminals Ali Adas and Zosimo Lawson, implicated in a string of kidnappings and killings including that of Coca-Cola executive Betty Sy, had only P1 million for their heads. What crime has Lacson done to the country?
Lacson is implicated in the alleged murder of PR man Bubby Dacer and his driver Emmanuel Corbito. Lacson has denied any hand in it.
If indeed Dacer and Corbito were murdered (bodies were not recovered), the real culprit must be out there relaxing while de Lima is pursuing Lacson. Gloria Arroyo and husband Mike must also be laughing.
The Department of Justice under Sec. De Lima should focus the crimes committed by Jose Pidal Mafia. She should not wait for the impotent Truth Commission to gather evidences against Gloria Arroyo, et al. Why the judge relied on Mancao’s polluted affidavit? Pera-pera lang iyan.
I think we should give De Lima the benefit of the doubt. Her position at DOJ is a tough one. Under her department are NBI, BID, BJM. The work of prosecution is not an easy task.
De Lima came from HRC. Her background demands that she prosecutes the guilty and makes sure justice is served. She has the unfortunate job of arresting Lacson due to public pressure. Any DOJ Secretary would be in similar dilemma today. She’s no worse than the former DOJ Sec. Raul Gonzalez who was actually the one on order of Malacanang to make life difficult for Lacson. The blame should not be entirely on De Lima today but on those who were responsible for accusing Lacson in a crime he claims he was innocent of. De Lima is just doing her job. She’s the poorest cabinet member for nothing. Her records at HRC prove what kind of a person she is. I think we should wait for further development before making judgment.
# 1
I agree. It could even be a tactic to divert attention from going after Gloria. Gloria’s tons of crimes and cases are nothing to Lacson’s. Pnoy must make good his promise to go after Gloria.
eh kung ang mga Pidal din naman ang nasa attention ng DOJ eh may reklamo din naman na may pa blogs pa! eh si Lacson, mula 1995 pa may issue ng murder…. bilangin ninyo ilang taon bago nagkaroon ng arrest warrant para ky Ping Lacson, at ilang administrasyon bago siya tinawag ng fugitive???? ganun din ang mga PIDAL!! ehhehehe
May napapansin ako kay De Lima. Bakit laging nakakunot ang kanyang noo? Mukhang problematic talaga. Pansinin din niyo si Pnoy…nakakunot din ang noon. As I said, mahirap ang trabaho sa DOJ. Nandoon pa rin ang DOJ Mafia. Sa mga basurang iniwan ni Gonzalez, baka abutin sa next administration ang paglinis dito.
# 4
Partly correct. 1995 was about the Kuratong Baleleng which was dismissed for the nth time. Tutoo man o hindi, tapos na iyan. Ang main witness na si De los Reyes ay matagal nang nasa Canada.
Bago ang election, halos lahat ng candidates ay nangakong hahabulin si Gloria except of course si Teodoro. Pero kung anong ingay noon sa kampanya, ngayon naman katahimik sa pagsigaw na ikulong si Gloria. Not only that, malaking budget ang ibinigay sa kanya ng Congress sa Pampanga district niya. I’m sure that if Pnoy wanted to block this huge budget, he could easily do this. Kung bakit pinayagan ito sa kabila ng pag-ipit ni Gloria sa opposition noon sa kanilang pork barrel is a million dollar question.
thats what people always does when luck just dont stick with them or does not favor to the people they like… they’l find ways, seek someone to blame and bring up what they see is bias…
I never want the Pidals when they were still in power, same as i believe that Sen. Lacson should face the accusations against him as he was a seasoned warrior sharpened by his Alma Mater, the PMA..
again, i agree with Ms. Ellen’s thought from her previous blog which was posted sometime in 2007…”flight is a sign of guilt.”
http://www.ellentordesillas.com/?p=1618
to reiterate, lacson should set the example and face the law no matter how skewed and perverted the judicial system is. those military officers and soldiers suffered incarceration in their fight for their convictions. he can do no less.
@Marz
kahit anong sabihin or isulat natin dito, mumurahin pa rin tayo…hehhehe.. may isa pa nagsabi na “Only fools and shitheads will trust the word of a justice system as corrupt as the Philippines”….hahhahaha!
sabi ko nga, paano naman kung ma acquit pa si Sen. Lacson? gnun pa rin ba paniwala nila? nakakatawa sobra, sinabayan pa ako ng malupit na mura! hhehehhehe
Dapat may massive clean-up sa DOJ fiscal’s office bago nila sabihing may equal justice for all. Ang alam nila sa *probable cause* ay pera o bayong. Sec. De Lima , nasaan ang pagbabago?
Allow me to make my position very clear. Here comes DOJ and the government looking for Lacson who is just one of the many cases where the accused are nowhere to be found and are hiding abroad, nothing is done to a certified criminal who continues to roam around the country and abroad. I’m referring to Chavit Singson who was accused of several murders like that of the Auditor Chan and ambush on the Rafanan family. And instead of working for his constituents in Ilocos Sur, this guy is working for Pacman.
Kaya hanggang walang nangyayari kay Singson, tigilan na natin ang paghanap kay Lacson. Kung ang kriminal lantad na lantad di ginagalaw, bakit pa ang isang akusado na ayaw munang magpakita for any reason he may have.
#11
Only in the Philippines!
#9 martinsampaga:
filipinos (or ex-filipinos) who chose to reside abroad permanently and have acquired foreign tastes are quick and harsh to condemn a system and culture in which they really have lost contact with.
@8 Isagani
nung early 1990’s nung nakatakas si convicted killer Rolito Go at inatas ang PACC sa pamumuno ni Ping Lacson na hanapin si Rolito Go. Natatandaan ko pa na sinabi niya sa isang interview na ” sa mga nagtatago at lumalaban sa batas,we will not hesitate to use our firearms as mandated by the constitution as your law enforcers,mabuti pa sumuko na kayo”. Year 2000, naging head ng PNP si General Lacson, bumango ang pangalang ng PNP at lahat ng kidnappings lahat resolved.Sa panahon na yun,nasa top sya sa SWS survey bilang possibleng maging senador sa 2001 election, tinanong sya ng paulit-ulit at lubos na kinulit sa tanong na “kayo po ba ay tatakbo pagka senator general sir?” sagot niya paulit ulit din, may isang sagot na natatandaan ko pa ” look into my eyes, seriously i hate politics and i will never put myself in an environment i really hate, kasunod sa sabi ay “no”….2001, tumakbo at nanalo…
ngayon, 2010.. bago mag election, sabi nya ang tanging administrasyon na papaniwalaan niya ay ang Aquino Administration laman, mtapos maupo si pnoy, ayun nagtatago pa rin… Papaniwalaan pa ba natin ang taong ganyan?
# 7
“Flight is a sign of guilt”. What if Lacson did not fly out of the country and he was actually here all this time? And what about those who did not fly but commute by train, land or sea? (joke only).
# 10
Halos lahat ng dako ng ating mga ahensiya ay may tinatawag na sindikato o Mafia. Be it at Comelec, BID, BIR, DOJ. How can you fight such groups that continue to control these agencies since the very beginning? Tulad na lang sa Comelec, pinaikutan ang matandang Melo ng sindikato. May nangyari ba sa mga corruption diyan? Tahimik dahil tapos na ang election. Then, mag-iingay na naman tayo sa next election habang ang mga kawatan ay gagawa na naman ng pera.
DOJ is one sensitive department where it could mean freedom or conviction for an accused. Money changed hands even right inside the DOJ Sec.’s office. Di ba nangyari ito sa panahon ni Gonzalez? What happened? Nada. And those prosecutors who were accused of taking bribes in that Alabang Boys case have not heard about. Are they still with DOJ?
# 14
Tutoo ang mga sinabi mo. Wala tayong magagawa because Lacson was also eaten by the dirty system of our politics. Maaaring sa umpisa ay talagang ayaw niya sa politics tapos nagbago ang isip. In a way, his election to the Senate and work as a Senator helped us a lot in discovering anomalies in the government especially during the time of Gloria. If only for this, I think we should thank Lacson.
It’s an undisputed fact that PNP was much better under Lacson’s leadership. Look at today, we still see those big belly cops. Huwag na lang tayo lumayo, etong mukhang Bentong na si PO2 Mendoza napakalaki ang tiyan. Kung si Lacson ang PNP Chief, uubra ba ang baboy na iyan?
Siguro promoted sila. Kung may sindikato di may kumikita. At the end of the day, happy silang lahat.
# 13
I agree. Ang mga maiingay iyon pang mga nasa abroad na matagal nang hindi nakakauwi ng Pilipinas o bihirang umuwi. They mostly relay on online news, local papers, TFC. Tapos kung magbigay ng comments akala mo alam lahat ang pangyayari sa Pilipinas.
# 17
Exactly. Either they get transferred or promoted. Now, how can we solve the problem if right inside these agencies and departments are a bunch of rotten eggs?
What we need is strong political will and hand. This is why sometimes I find Martial Law to be a good solution. Marcos was doing okay in his Martial Law in the beginning. Naalala ko pa na pumila ang mga tao. Walang kotong. Sunod lahat. Until the same old rotten system came in led by Imelda whose family made a killing all those many years.
@ #16 Marz
i agree with you… nung PNP chief si Sen. Lacson eh talagang belib ako sa husay niya na linisin ang sistema ng kapolisan at maresolba ang lumalaganap na kriminalidad,ganun din nung siya ay naging senador nung ma-ihayag nya at nagpresenta ng mga kababoyan ng administrayon ni Pidal…. Ganun pa man, andun pa rin ang duda ko sa kanyang malalim na interest… Nung 2004, nung tumakbo sya bilang pangulo at nung 2008 na pag dawit ky Erap sa kaso ng Dacer-Corbito..
The Justice system in the country maybe defective, but it is the only one it got and under which the Senator is subject to…He had a warrant for his arrest, I believe and until that warrant is squashed, he is a fugitive in the eyes of the law…he can defend himself just like any accused before the courts of the land…And Secretary de Lima, could be criticised whichever decision she’ll arrived, but only the results of that decision will bear her out. so let the wheels of justice rolls, maybe slow,and let us not look at the personalities of those involved…justice is blind in the truest sense.
# 20
Tutoong maraming inconsistencies si Lacson. Pero anong malay natin na may pinoprotektahan lang siyang isang malaking tao o malalaking tao.
Lacson has wide experience in intelligence work. We should not interpret his action or actions as they are. Psy-war, strategies, and other acts ordinary people find hard to understand could just be legitimate ploy applied by Lacson not necessarily to deceive the authorities and public but for his own good.
# 21
Well said. Let the wheel of justice rolls in other countries but not in the Philippines. Here, we have trouble rolling it.
The stupid rumor saying DILG Robredo protecting Lacson does not make sense to me. There’s no record showing Robredo was indebted to Lacson before and today. Robredo has been Naga Mayor for many years. The only favor Lacson has which I can think of is giving votes to Lacson in his previous election bids. Robredo is also Tsinoy and if he’s bias to Lacson like many Tsinoys, that’s normal. But to say that Robredo is protecting Lacson is very hard to accept.
#22
regardless of how it is perceive by everyone, whether he is persecuted or either prosecuted…He should still face it, kung talagang may pinaglalaban sya na talagang inocente sya…
For as a person like Sen. Lacson who has wide background of military intelligence,no doubt he can out-maneuver everyone running after him..Kung talagang pinag initan sya ni Pidal at politicaly motivated yung kaso niya, eh humarap nalang siya at maumpishan para matapos na ang lahat in a time…
Lilitaw din iyan. Naghahanap lang ng tiyempo. I agree that he should now appear. He can be under the custody of the Senate. I’m sure Enrile will help him.
Again, bakit atat na atat tayo kay Lacson samantalang maraming kriminal diyan na lumalaga pa rin tulad ni Singson? May nangyari ba kay Garci na natalo sa election? Lahat yata sa mga bata ni Gloria ay malaya pa rin ngayon. Kung di dahil sa laki ng krimen at tulong ng media, kahit na ang mga Ampatuan ay nakalusot din sana.
Kung ako ang masusunod, unahin ang mga Pidal. Kung ako naman si Lacson, iyan ang condition na ibibigay ko. Ikulong muna nila si Gloria bago siya susuko. Kung ganyan ang hamon niya, tignan natin kung gaano lalong magkakagulo.
#26.
Ganun din ako… gaya ng sabi ko, matatagalan pa pag si Pidal ay makulong, kita nga naman natin nung pumunta at humarap sa DOJ kamakailan lang, bigatin pa ang abogado nag represent sa kanya, sa pangalan ni Attorney Estelito Mendoza… balita ko, wala pang talo ang abogado na iyan, pati mga supreme court chief justices dinig ko “sir” daw ang tawag sa kanya….heheheh
saganigatmaitan – December 6, 2010 1:29 am
to reiterate, lacson should set the example and face the law no matter how skewed and perverted the judicial system is. those military officers and soldiers suffered incarceration in their fight for their convictions. he can do no less.
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I agree!! And Ping Lacson can not say that he does have good lawyers or that he does not have money to pay for the good lawyers.
Where there is smoke, there is fire. Kung innocent si Ping, then bakit siya nagtatago?
# 27
Kapag may pera ka, kukuha ka ng abogado na magaling gumapang tulad nina Mendoza at Fortun. Sabi nga ni Lucio Tan sa kanyang kaso ng kanyang kapatid na si Mariano di marunong kumuha ng abogado ang kapatid kaya nahihirapan sa kaso. Hawak ni Mendoza si Tan, Danding at karamihan na cronies ni Marcos na hanggang ngayon ay wala pang nakukulong kahit isa. Si Ombudsman Gutierrez na lang marunong din. Kinuha niya ang dating DOJ Sec at SC Justice na si Serafin Cuevas. Tumayo lang sa SC si Cuevas at magsalita tahimik na ang mga SC Justices. Subukan tanungin at gisain ng mga Kongresista sa Congress si Cuevas at walang boto sila sa INK sa susunod na election.
That’s what I mean when we say in this country, justice favors the rich and influential. Tanong ko uli kay Vic na nasa Canada yata: How does wheel of justice roll in the Philippines?
# 28
Lacson sure has the ability and means to hire the best lawyers. Subukan niya kunin si Atty. Fortun at baka maging pulubi si Lacson bilang araw. Sa pagtanggap na lang ng kaso ni Ampatuan at hindi pa bayad, mga P10M daw ang ibinigay kay Fortun. Sinong abogadong hihindi. Siguro mga tulad lang ni Atty. Harry Roque. Also, Lacson has connection everywhere. Pababayaan ba naman siya ng mga kapwa Senador niya maliban na lang siyempre ang kampo ni Villar na tinira niya. Lacson still has connection at PNP and his mistah at PMA. Kaya lumitaw ka na Ping !
I wonder why in the Philippines circumstantial evidences are sufficient to issue a warrant for a major crime just as what happened to Senator Lacson. How do we protect innocent people accused of a crime by other persons without the support of forensic or authenticated documents? The judge who issued the warrant was promoted to the Court of Appeals before GMA term expires. Same with the case of Hubert Webb. He suffered 15 years and still languishing behind bars even with the presence of official and authenticated documents issued by the the US government supporting his claim he was in the US during the commitment of the crime. In the case of Lacson, the warrant was issued based on the statement of Mancao disputed by the 2 persons he mentioned as present when he heard the order of the killings and a statement of then Senator Roxas that he was with Lacson outside of the country at the date mentioned. Filipinos deserved better justice and better executor of justice.
#29
kaya nga laging ko sinasabi,mahihirapan silang ipakulong ang mga Pidal, kung makulong man, eh talagang Martial Law!
Abogado palang ng mga pidal na ayun sa mga chismis sa dyaryo, eh may halagang 50 million pesos…Again, kung makadinig ka pa sa balita ayun ky dzrh anchor na si Deo Macalma, ang tawag pa ng mga bigating justices ng supreme court ky Attorney Estelito Mendoza, eh sir…dyan palang talo na tayo…
Balik tayo sa issue tungkol ky sa pagtatago ni senator ping, humarap na sya… Gaya nga rin naman ng mga nakulong na personalidad at pinagbintangan(tulad nalang ni Ninoy Aquino) eh kelangan niyang sumagot sa mga bintang ng harapan, tulad na rin sa magiting nating senator Antonio Trillanes, na sa wakas oras nalang at mga ilang debate siguro, eh makakalaya na rin…
“I think we should give De Lima the benefit of the doubt. Her position at DOJ is a tough one. Under her department are NBI, BID, BJM. The work of prosecution is not an easy task.”—————->marz – December 6, 2010 1:09 am
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Nobody’s job is as hard or as easy as it looks. It is all about handling pressure bearing in mind full accountability THE people and not to the politicians and padrinos who may sway her legal decisions otherwise. If De Lima cannot handle that kind of pressure, then she must resign and save what decency is left of her fucking ass.
#39 marz
nung panahon ng kainitan ng kuratung baleleng rub-out, si Atty. Fortun ang kanyang lawyer. At ky Spo2 delos reyes naman, ay yung kasama ni Sen. Ping ngayon sa senado, si Sen. Pangilinan…
#32
yes, you are right…Sec. De Lima has been pressure ever since she commence her undertaking as the country’s top prosecutor,adding up from the August 23 incident, hiding of ping lacson and mostly the case of Ampatuan massacre..
“If indeed Dacer and Corbito were murdered (bodies were not recovered), the real culprit must be out there relaxing while de Lima is pursuing Lacson. Gloria Arroyo and husband Mike must also be laughing.”
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diba tapos na ang DNA testing nung mga na recover na mga skeletal remains na natagpuan sa Cavite diba? at na confirmed na ky Dacer at Corbito ang mga natagpuan….
IF gloria and mike can be laughing at Sen. Ping’s situation, the last laugh would be for us….again, matagal nga lang pero darating din.
What really boggles the mind is the haste with which the DoJ has in its deperate attempt to capture Ping of his being “allegedly” the point-man in the Dacer-Corbito double murder case. I mean ASSUMING he is indeed involved under his watch “then ” as the PNP chief, this is just a case of two (still missing) men whose facial bones are yet to be established as identical to those of a cow’s.
For the same line of reasoning, here are Gloria, her pet (I mean, husband), and their merry band of many thieves under whose watch, lots of journalists were either killed, kidnapped (and probably “salvaged”, too), some missing (remember Jonas Burgos ??), and still some of whom were massacred, raped, and robbed together with unknown innocent civilians in a Massacre allegedly perpetrated by the Ampatuans who everybody knows are being coddled by no less that the fucking midget herself, Gloria Arroyo.
So kung parehas lang ang labanan why not arrest Gloria and her cohorts and start the ball of justice rolling, if at all, any ?
But then, De lima wouldn’t, would she ? The Truth Commission was conveniently started as she could always aver that no arrest can be made (of Gloria) until the final outcome (if any) of the Truth Commissions’s findings (if any). And so conveniently for Lacson, since there is no Truth Commission to analyze his guilt, dapat arestuhin agad siya, and then throw him to jail for years while his case will go on long and tedious process of being studied.
De Lima’s dilemma ?? You be the judge…
We have a new thread! I just want to post in this new thread my reply to TonGuE-tWisTeD in the thread with related to the current topic.
@TonGuE-tWisTeD
Disgusted ka pala kay Lacson at kay Noynoy.
Kay Gloria?
Huh? My anger against Gloria and her ilk dated further back in 2001, and I have used up the all the spittle I can direct at her. What’s the use of speaking out against her if other people here can do the job. Besides, it’s a different personality now occupying the place she vacated. What matters is the present. Of course Gloria should face justice as everyone else.
Besides, I am not like some of you folks that seem to be too politicized to forget what this country stands for.
@Ellen,
What do you think De Lima can do with Lacson’s case?
De Lima’s hands are tied. She cannot do anything about it anymore, as Senator Enrile observed.
I was wrong to assume that Noynoy can interfere with Lacson’s case via the DOJ. The executive department cannot stop the on-going prosecution.
I have read that Senator Enrile can ask the Senate to be in custody of Lacson in case he shows up?
#38
gusto nga daw nila ikulong na rin… lahat naman siguro tayo gusto diba? may batas na kasi, kahit pa sabihin ninyong bias or mabagal kelangan igalang…. paulit-ulit na sinasabi ng administrayong Pnoy na parang sirang DVD,makakaasa sila ng patas na pagtrato, basta ang kailangan lang eh humarap…. eh sa sitwasyon ni Sen. Ping, sya pa nangdidikta habang nagtatago, at sabi naman ng iba persecuted si Ping!
Kita mo nga naman natin si Captain Faeldon, sabi nga niya wala syang kasalanan at bilang tapat alagad at tagapagtanggol ng bayan, sya ay sumuko at handang humarap sa mga akusa sa kanila…ganyan dapat si Sen. Ping!
Di kaya taktika ng mga Pidalista na sabwat si De Lima para maiba ang atensiyon ng media at ang mga madlang pipol sa Tororot Komisyon ni Penoy. Pati si Enrile nakikialam na din dito sa kaso ni Lacson. Di ba niyo napapansin na ang mga galamay ni Glorya iisa ang takbo ng utak nila … isalba ang reyna ng mga kurap.
Kawawang Lacson na sa dinami dami ng eksposey niya laban sa mag-asawang Arroyo at dito sa C5 ni Villar at ang pagtira niya kay Erap …… ngayon siya etong naiipit …..
#42
dati naman syang opisyales ng pambansang pulisya na nagsanay sa primyadong military school sa Pinas…
kung wala syang kasalan, eh harapin niya at huwag magtago na parang sniper… Ang mga Magdalo nga eh patong patong na mga kaso ang sa kanila,karamihan naman sa kanila eh nakulong sa administrasyon ni Pidal, at yung iba naman ay sumuko nung nagkaroon na ng bagong Administrasyon…
@Ellen,
Ayos ang buto-buto ni Lacson dahil siya ang nag-expose sa pagnanakaw ni Gloria? Do I read this right?
@martinsampaga #41,
Siguro kung mag expose naman si Ampatuan laban kay Gloria, they would call for Ampatuans’ acquittal.
#45
hahahhaha.. naku! ewan…parang pa-awaan system kumbaga tulad nung ky Chavit… nung binulgar niya yung jueteng payola scandal na sangkot si erap. Sabi niya kung makukulong sya eh isama daw din nila si Erap, eh nung nakulong na si Erap, binigyan din naman ni Pidal ng clemency si Chavit..ganun din!
# 37
Nagpahinga lang ako ng kaunti ang dami na palang mga nag-react sa bagong thread na ito. Medyo mabili ang paksang Lacson at De Lima. Sa susunod, mungkahi kong gawin titulo ang “De Lima’s Dilemma”.
NFA Rice, it’s true others are attacking Gloria here so you need not do the job. But what we find it obvious are your consistent defense of Gloria. Even though you don’t refer her by name, your comments more than show it. At any rate, we’re free to comment, pro or anti Gloria.
# 45
We’ll never know. In the end, the Ampatuans might implicate Gloria. They threatened to do this at the height of the massacre investigation. Gloria immediately sent Dureza to calm down the Ampatuans.
#47
pabalik balik lang naman, tayo-tayo lang din naman ang sumusulat dito….sa Philstar.com talaga, marami…iba-iba ang mga tao..hehehhe
@marz,
Kung mag-akusa ka sa akin, simpleng ebidensya ang hinahanap ko. This is a blog, you are free to dig into my last posts and paste them here as your evidence.
# 36
Very good point. I absolutely agree. Dacer’s case was just among the many unsolved crimes under the Arroyo government. Why single out this case just because the suspect happens to be Lacson? To be fair, they should also solve the murders of journalists and innocent civilians. And I reiterate the case and cases of Chavit Singson who remains to roam freely despite being involved directly or indirectly in so many crimes in the past.
Corazon Aquino was one of Gloria’s ilk. Remember 2001 people.
# 50
I have read all your posts and conclude that you’re a Gloria apologist and defender. And I’m free to give my opinion about you.
@marz,
Meaning wala ka pa ring ebidensya, and of course people are free in their delusions.
# 52
This time, I agree. It was only after their quarrel at the height of the Hyatt 10 withdrawal from GMA administration that the Cory forces started to attack Gloria. Yet, people have short memory that Cory was among those who conspired to oust Erap and install Gloria in the Palace.
My Malacanang source said it all began when Cory visited Gloria at the Palace to ask the latter to resign. They had an argument and Gloria yelled at Cory. Dahil binastos si Cory, siyempre nagalit ang buong pamilyang Aquino at Civil Society. Wasn’t Kris the number one supporter and endorser of Gloria together with that showbiz gay host Boy Abunda? Naging number one critic ni Gloria si Kris noong huli. Ang partner na lover boy naman ni Abunda na-promote sa PCSO. Avid Noynoy supported Ogie Alcasid’s father was also recently given a juicy government post. As usual, pay back time. Walang pinagkaiba si Noynoy sa mga nakaraang Presidente kung ganoon.
Lacson’s stubbornness is very consistent. History shows that he never flip-flopped and always stood by his principles in what he believed in. His statement that only death is the only option if worse comes to worst is in direct contrast with DOJ’s decision. One would think that there’s a psy-war going on between him and the DOJ. And how far this psy-war will go on and what it brings on depends on who will blink first.
On his troubles, Lacson can not entirely lay the blame on someone else but have to share the blame himself. He should not be in such trouble if he did not, one way or another helped his tormentor win the presidency during the 2004 presidential election. His decision to run for the presidency in that election despite an almost nil chance to win, gave more than enough elbow room for Gloria and conspirators to embark in the most brazen cheating in Philippine elections history. His entry in that election effectively wiped out more than 3 million opposition votes for FPJ. Gloria by any means will not win against FPJ in a contest without him. There’s even a rumour at that time that he was paid a big amount to run and frustrate the chances of FPJ. That may not be true and maybe it’s because of his stubbornness and his principles, but its all water under the bridge now. That was yesterday and already a history, the thing is today and nobody can make any decision but himself.
I just hope for the best for him. Undoubtedly he “was” a presidential material and he was a shining star during his first term as a senator, unfortunately, it dimmed when he made a wrong move in 2004. If ever he attempts one more time for the presidency, he will be having a hard time wooing all those FPJ and Erap fans into his corner. But as the saying goes, only fools don’t change their minds. He only has to work harder.
Sayang naman kung mawawala siya politika at hindi maging presidente.
# 56
Very good point too. Lacson has missed his chance on the presidency. He blew it. I don’t think he deliberately and stubbornly insisted on running as President in 2004 hurting FPJ’s chance. It could be the other way around. It could have been FPJ hurting Lacson. For one thing, Lacson was the first to declare his interest for the presidency much earlier. For some reasons, FPJ suddenly popped up from nowhere. There were those traitors who betrayed the two from both camps. Let me also point out that INK had a share to blame for supporting Gloria. It was true that INK gave ultimatum to FPJ and Lacson to decide who would be Pres or Vice but the two refused to unite. So, INK made good her promise and supported Gloria. If we try to point fingers, marami talaga ang tatamaan. But I’m a believer of destiny. Hindi para sa dalawa. At kung minsan, kahit leader ay galing sa kampo ni Satanas.
# 35
No sir. Raquel Fortun said the remains were Dacer and Corbito’s before the DNA results came out.
When the DNA testing was done, it said the bones tested negative for human DNA. The report also said one of the bones was animal skull.
Bakit konti ang buto? Dalawang oras lang na nagsunog, simula 8 pm to 10 pm, according to witness Dilloy, who saw the alleged strangulation of Dacer and Corbito, and helped to gather stray wood and rubber tires to burn the bodies.
Anong sabi ng Supreme Court sa kaso ni Diosdado Allado?
Ang buto, sa crematoria, para maging pulbos, idinadaan sa makinang parang blender.
Yung ngang lechon baboy hilaw pa kung dalawang oras lang ang luto.
You mean to tell me, sa dalawang oras na sunog naging pulbos ang dalawang tao?
Yan ang tignan nila, hindi ang mga imbentong testimony. “Witnesses lie, lawyers lie, even judges lie. But the physical evidence never lies”.
Hindi akin yan. Hindi ako Mariano del Castillo. That is a quote from a book called “The Evidence Never Lies”.
So now tell me? Is there probable cause?
The injustice is not only to Lacson, but to all the policemen in jail because of this fabricated murder.
Sax, lagi kong sinusubay-bayan ang opinion mo. Magaling ka sa legal and technical. Based on facts ang mga comments mo.
Matagal at mahirap maubos sa sunog ang mga buto. Assuming those bones were not from Dacer and Corbito, where are their bodies? Kung minsan tuloy gusto kong magbiro uli na baka double suicide and nangyari. The two shot and killed one another. Or they might have been abducted by aliens from outer space.
Si Tabako ang tanungin niyo, kung saan nagbabakasyon si Dacer? Or kung saan dinale ng mga bata ni Tabako sila Dacer.
But Dacer and Corbito did not die in Buena Lejos, Indang, Cavite.
And try to get in touch with Father Baldostamon, who is now in Norway. Baka iwas trouble din ang pari, kaya nasa Norway. I wouldn’t put it above Almonte to waste a priest.
# 62
This angle about Tabako has always been talked about in silence. If you know a bit of this background, I’m sure Lacson, Erap and the authorities also know and even more. But why are they not even mentioning Tabako? Are they so afraid of Tabako? O talagang malinis itong magtrabaho?
ah ok…hindi ako abogado, pero kung talagang totoo na wala talagang kasalanan si Ping, eh bakit ayaw pa rin niya lumantad? yun lang naman eh…. si Sen. trillanes, nakulong naman sya at patuloy pa rin naman ginagampanan ang kanyang pagiging senator sa loob ng kulungan…Yun lang naman eh, makipag tulungan…
eh heto na, napunta na ky tabako…eh ang suspect nga eh dinawit nga ay si Erap..hahhahahha
Another worth analyzing is Mancao, Dumlao and the rest of the operatives were under the command of Lacson. How could Lacson not know about Tabako’s involvement? O baka naman kasabwat ni Lacson si Tabako at pinahiram niya ang mga bata niya kay Tabako na trabahuin ang plano? Lalong tumatagal, lalong mahirap. I bet you this case will go down in history as another Ninoy murder case.
# 65
Si Sax ang bumanggit tungkol kay Tabako at sang-ayon din ako sa anggulong ito. Let’s not limit our discussion, analysis and investigation with Lacson. Pardon me but I have the feeling that you tend to pin down only Lacson and not look at all angles.
marz@29
everywhere the wheels of justice roll at different speeds. having the resources to hire the best legal minds is one’s privilege, but it does not mean to be a ticket to acquittal but most often a guarantee that the accused will get the best defense possible…also there are very expensive lawyers that do accept legal aid funded dependants, but most will, on a matter of principles. most notorious criminals we have here have the best lawyers on legal aid fund and majority of the time the juries don’t get overwhelmed by the antiques and techniques of these lawyers and returned verdicts based on evidence heard….
as for the absence of body of supposed victim, our courts already in the case of Elizabeth Bain (her body was never found) against his ex-boyfriend who was convicted of her murder. he was imprisoned for few years and on appeal he was granted a Retrial and during the Start of the Trial the crown prosecutors withdraw the charges for some undiscovered evidence that will give doubt to the case…the Family of the victims still strongly believes that it was her boyfriend who murdered her…the reason for withdrawal of the case during the re-trial has nothing to do with the absence of the victim’s body..it was already established that she was murdered, but when in doubt, acquit…(during that time, Paul Bernardo, the notorious serial rapist and murderer was on the rampage and was already convicted during the Bain’s case, but the police did not considered him in any of their investigation and in jailhouse interviews, Paul Bernardo would not deny or admit that he might had done it. he is already sentenced to die in prison…without parole…as a dangerous offender.
Tulad na lang sa Ninoy assassination, lahat ng bintang at attention kay Marcos at Marcos lang. Pobreng Apo eh may sakit sa panahong iyon. Pati nga siya nagulat sa nangyari. The real mastermind or masterminds are very much alive today. No closure yet. Maybe not in this generation. But we’re consoled by the fact that even the Americans do not know the real mastermind of JFK’s assassination.
I don’t give a hoot what his motives are. Itong thread na ito, pati yung kabila, wala nang ginawa kundi pag-usapan ang personalities. Si Ping ganito, si De Lima ganoon.
Ang trabaho ng prosecutor ay tignan ang ebidensya; at timbangin ang ebidensya – oral vs. physical. Mabait man si Ping, demonyo man, has no bearing on the weighing of the evidence.
At hindi mo kailangang maging abogado para malamang ang baboy may dugo pa kung tatlong oras lang a sunog. Sa gayong paraan din, mahirap maniwala na sial Dacer ay naging pulbos sa dalawang oras na sunog.
Note that all the allegations are about motive – Ping’s, Erap’s, (naiirita si Bigote). That is because motive is so easy to fabricate. And if you paint a person as evil, it riles up the public, and in their anger, it is easy to convince them that someone killed somebody. This is also a type of trial by publicity.
# 68
Thanks Vic for your comment. I agree that wheel of justice has different speeds. Never mind if the speed is the slowest as long as it rolls. The problem here is that it’s not even rolling at all.
Thanks to today’s modern technology, the so called DNA, and other investigation tools that law enforcers now can easily find out the truth behind a crime. We could just imagine decades ago when investigations were depended upon the skills of the investigators. As a result, many innocent accused were put to jails and died without retrial. And many guilty ones were allowed to go free and died without admitting they committed the crimes.
# 70
I cannot agree with you more, Sax. Sa palitan ng kuro-kuro dito; hindi lang dito kahit na sa iba’t ibang forums, puro personalidad ang pinagbabasehan. As if it a good man cannot commit a crime while a bad man can commit it. That’s why there’s so called crime of passion. How many times do we hear of family members getting killed not because the killers are bad but they love the victims very much. How many times do we hear of mercy killing when one cannot bear seeing his loved one suffer in extreme pain so he’s killed?
Note, hinahanap na ang pumatay, wala pang pruwebang may namatay. In fact, ang ebidensya ay walang namatay.
Kapag prosecutor ka, kung kulang ang ebidensya, huwag magpakulong.
Kung imbestigador ka, kapag kulang ang ebidensya, maghanap ka pa; and don’t rule out anybody, pati mga magulang (Jon Benet Ramsey case) at asawa (Ted Failon).
In this case, parang tamad ang NBI, nakuntento na sa weak theory of the case, with the flimsiest of evidence.
Napuna niyo ba na ang mga non-bailable offense ang mahina ang ebidensya? At karamihan sa non-bailable offense ipinilit para lang maging non-bailable? Trillanes, and rebellion (sedition lang yan, as I posted earlier). Danny Lim, and mutiny (wala namang disobedience). Lt Raymundo – disrespect to a superior officer daw (the Glue), eh civilian naman si Glue. The President, a civilian, is the Commander-in-Chief, to fulfill the Constitutional mandate of civilian authority over the military.
Maliwanag na ang prosecution ay malimit na gawing persecution arm ng gobyerno.
@ 68..that is one reason why our government and the public demanded the abolition of the death penalty by hanging, because once you condemmed a convict to hang, and found later that he was innocent, (for example, Mr. Marshall who was declared innocent after 11 years in jail when the real murderer was turned by his own daughter, Marshall, so drunk that he believe he was the murderer)you can not just recall him back from the dead and offer him apology and usually an average of $1 million compensation a year of incarceration…and lately through the expert testimonies of a pathologist of the famous sick kids hospital, many guardians and parents who were convicted of murdering children were reviewed and found out to be innocents..one by one their cases were reviewed and an inquiry later get a confession and the suspicion of incompetence on the part of the forensic pathologist…each were tendered the government apologies and monetary compensations. and the province had to bring experts from several countries to review the cases.
# 73
Correct ka na naman, Sax. Hindi ako abogado pero alam ko kung paanong magawang may kasalanan ang isang walang kasalanan and vice versa. Tulad na lang ang mga Pulis. Usually for a fee or if you’re influential, they would file a case against you full of loopholes that would be questioned in court. Kadalasan sa technical reason. Kaya ayun, case dismissed due to lack of evidence or technicality. Puwede din hindi sumipot sa hearing ang mga police para hindi mag-testigo. Puwedeng mag-retract ng statement ang isang testigo often due to bribery or threat. Iyan ang nangyayari ngayon sa Ampatuan case.
# 74
Death penalty is another very sensitive and debatable issue. There are pros and cons. When an innocent gets convicted and suffers in jail for many years for a crime he has not committed, the most he could recover was monetary damages. Even if the compensation is huge, he can no longer bring back the lost time. More than physical, he would continue to suffer psychologically for the rest of his life. On the other hand, one who has committed a heinous crime must die. In the Philippines, the worst criminal as long as he has the money could live comfortably in cell. Criminals like Jalosjos is one good example. The Ampatuans who killed so many people must die. Hanging them over and over again is not even enough to pay for their crimes.
# 76 that issue of treatment of well to do convicts is not very hard to address, but hanging an innocent man will be forever in the conscience of the nation…we almost hang a teenage boy for the violent rape and murder of his neighbour and classmate…luckily he got a reprieved because of his age and later found out Innocent…then the question keep bothering the public, what if? of course the debate on abolition was not that smooth…it was also as divisive and bitter as most important issue, like legalizing abortion, same sex marriage and now still on appeal by the government (the matrix won her case in court for getting acquitted for prortitution related crimes)the legalizing of prostitution, not just decriminilizing. but as we move forward every issue must be addressed and it maybe a bitter taste on some, a desision has to be made.
Ngayon mainit ang usapang Lacson, lumabas na naman uli sa lungga itong si Mary Rosebud Ong. “Shoot to kill” order daw ang dapat kay Lacson. Muli na naman binibintang kay Lacson ang pagpatay sa kanyang dating nobyong si Campos.
# 77
In any issue, the church always gets into the picture. One reason why death penalty is a very debatable issue is because of the church’s objection. Yet, it’s the church that executed and killed thousands of people during the early years. I’m referring to the “Great Inquisition”.
You cited some examples from your Canada’s experiences. I think Canada’s justice and court system are not perfect just like the others. This reminds me of that Chinese disguised as an old man case in Vancouver. Nothing is heard of this.
ilagay nyo sarili nyo sa katuyaan ni Lacson. Bukod sa mga testimonya nila Oximoso (driver ni Lacson) at Aquino, may malakas na ebidensya na nagpapatunay na hindi totoo ang storya ni Mancao. Reinvestigation lang nman ang kanyang hiling, hindi ang pag dismiss sa kaso… ngayon, kung ang simpleng reimbestigasyon… hindi nila maibigay sa kabila ng malakas na ebidisya ni Lacson… paano magtitiwalang yung tao na makakamit nya ang hustisya sa pagsuko o habang nakakulong… natural lang naman na gamitin muna nya lahat ng natitirang paraan na kanyang nalalaman…
tulad na ng sabi ko sa kabilang thread… malaki ang epekto ng pangigipit na ito kay Lacson sa truth commission o kaso laban sa putanginang Arroyo…. lahat ng kaso na iimbestigahan ng TC ay si lacson ang nagexpose sa senado… sya halos lahat ang nangalap ng mga ebidensya… sa kanya lahat lumapit at nagtiwala halos lahat ng testigo… ngayon kung napakulong nila si Lacson… ano na mangyayari sa mga ebidensyang ito? lalabas pa ba? ano iisipin ng mga gustong tumistigo? magsasalita pa ba? ito ang komplikasyon sa pagpapakulong nila kay Lacson… lalo pa kung naniniwala ang mga testigo na inosente si lacson sa dacer-corbito case
at ano naman ang epekto ng pagpapakulong nila kay Lacson kay PNoy? halos lahat ng bumoto sa kanya ay umaasong makasuhan si Gloria pati na ang kanyang mga aso… ayon na din sa kanynag pangako… at darating ang panahon pagbabayaran nila ang kawalanghiyaang ginawa nila sa bayan… kapag hindi nagtagumpay ang TC… pano makkamit ang pangakong ito? siguradong magagalit at hindi na maniniwala ang mga tao kay PNoy? ngayon sa susunod na election pang panguluhan, Roxas VS Binay? sino mananalo?
I agree with sax, lets look at the evidence.
Personally, I wouldn’t have voted for Aquino if not for Lacson…all of us here will probably agree we knew more about Lacson even before the elections…
The president should also look at it at a tactical stand point, is he allows Lacson to come back (by whatever means, he’s the president after all), and sic Gloria et al with him, I’m pretty sure he can better gain his moorings – the best defense is offense…
Let Lacson be and set Trillanes free!
sadyang napakalaki ng mga taong kinalaban ni Lacson… para syang si berdardo carpio na naiipit sa hindi lang 2 malalaking bundok… kahit napakalas ng ebidensya na nagsasabing sya ay inosente… mukhang malabo na mapagbigyan ang kanyang hiling na reimbestigasyon at diretso sa kalaboso…
sino-sino ba ang mga bundok na ito:
unang-una si Gloria Arroyo at kanyang mga buwayang alagad… 9 na taon nyang binulgar ang mga korapsyon at kawalanghiyaan nito… syempre gagawin lahat ni Arroyo ang lahat para makaganti. Kaya tayo galit na galit kay Gloria dahil sa mga expose na ginawa ni Lacson… at sa kasalukuyang administrasyon… nakasuhan na ba ang mga arroyo? hindi pa… so sino ang ang may lakas ng loob na kasuhan ng napakarami ang mga arroyo… hindi bat si Lacson lang?
pangalawa si Erap… malinaw sa mga affidavit nila Mancao at aquino na si bigote ang nagutos para ipapatay si Delta (Dacer)… kung mapapatunayang hindi si lacson ang mastermind sa krimen… ang tanong sino?
pangatlo si Villar…
alam naman natin lahat kung ano ang kinatalo ni Villar… ang c5 at taga… sino ba ang isa sa nagpasabog nito… hindi bat si Lacson… marmi talgang galit kay Lacson…
pangapat si Ramos…
may theory na si Ramos ang utak ng pagkawala ni Dacer? ano naman ang motibo ni Ramos para idiin si Lacson? naniniwla akong si Ramos ang may pinakamalakas na impluwensya sa pilipinas… maging kay Arroyo man… kaya may posibilidad din na sa tulong ng impluwenya ni Ramos… kaya nitong manipulahin ang desisyon ng mga korte sa pilipinas… so ano kinalaman nyan sa kaso ni Lacson? si lacson lang naman ang halos(almost) nagtagumpay na kalabanin ang korapsyon sa ating bansa.. hindi bat si Ramos ay numero-unong korapt? hindi nila hahayaang sa hinaharap… na may kagaya ni Lacson na lalabas para lumaban sa korapsyon…
Good news from Enrile:
I can get Lacson off the hook–Enrile
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingnews/nation/view/20101206-307326/I-can-get-Lacson-off-the-hookEnrile
By Gil C. Cabacungan Jr.
Philippine Daily Inquirer
First Posted 09:38:00 12/06/2010
kala ko talgang pagtutulong-tulangan na talga si Ping.. buti kahit papano, may kakampi..
Ano ang kinatatakot ni Lacson sa Hukuman?
Ano ba ang ebidensya laban kay Lacson? Di ba yong ginawang Mancao affidavit three years ago pa ata noong nasa Florida jail sya. Bakit ngayon lang lumabas yong contra Mancao affidavit na sinasabi ng Lacson camp?
Palagay na nating convicted si Lacson dahil pro gloria yong mga justices. Protected sya ni Noynoy, ano ang kinatatakot nya? Kayang kaya syang e pardon ni Noy.
Magangdang yong labanan ay sa korte para makita natin ang mga ebidensya kung totoo talaga yong mga akusa o hindi para matapos na.
who’s afraid of Lacson?
Not just the obvious names Arroyo/Villar, etc., there are still unnamed generals (and ex), corrupt public officials, businessmen with shady dealings with the government, police/military personnel moonlighting with holdup/kidnap for ransom groups (include the ex)…
…what we see here is a deck of cards stacked up against him by people who successfully coopted the judiciary. These people are experts at making the illegal appear legal, “technically speaking.” People who can bend the law to their will – but can they also bend the people’s will?
Gloria ruled with impunity, then again, even now she’s still calling the shots.
How can we believe in a justice system that favors someone who has money and influence? Until we see Gloria behind bars, we will never see real justice here.
#89
Sabi nga ni Sax, ang ebidensiya ang pag-usapan hindi ang personalidad. Hindi iyon dahil kampi natin si ito at iyon. At hindi natin pinagtutulungan si Lacson. Karamihan dito isa lang naman ang hiling sa kanya, lumitaw na siya. Tutal payag naman ang Senado na i-custody siya.
There’s one thing that bothers me; that is, his implication of Erap. If Erap has something to do with it, then it’s indeed very serious. Tulad ng karamihan, galit na galit ako kay Chavit Singson. Pero minsan na niyang sinabi na kamuntik na siyang itumba sa daan sa isang simpleng traffic violation at naniniwala siyang pakana ni Erap ito. Iyon ang dahilan kung bakit niya binulgar si Erap. Inunahan lang niya si Erap. Erap used to be with shady characters too like the Asistios. Salbahe din si Erap noong kabataan niya. Ganyan din si FPJ. Nagpapaputok ng .45 baril niya tuwing nalalasing. Pero wala pa akong nababalitaan na may pinatay si Erap di gaya ni Singson. There’s a saying it takes a thief to know another thief. Si Erap ay babaero, tomador at sugarol pero hindi ako naniniwalang mamamatay tao. Ewan ko lang si Lacson. Sa background niya sa military at pulis lalo na’t bihasa siya sa intelligence operations, hindi kataka-taka na iyan ang bintang sa kanya ng mga tao at kaaway niya. Kung ako ang tatanungin niyo, tutoong sangkot ang mga tauhan niya sa Kuratong Baleleng rubout. Komo mga tauhan niya ang gumawa, di siyempre sabit siya. But before you misinterpret what I said, I want to make it clear that I’m not totally against eliminating these bad guys. Magalit na sa akin ang mga abogado at human rights activists pero kung minsan kasi dapat bawasan ang mga walanghiyang iyan sa ating lipunan. Street justice is sometimes more effective.
#91
Like what I earlier said, Lacson could set a condition for coming out that Gloria should be charged and jailed first. Let’s see what happens.
Marami na ang pinagdaanan ni Lacson. Nandiyan ang mga kuwento tungkol sa kanya nang bago pa lang siyang graduate sa PMA. Good or bad, I think Lacson shared both. After all, tao din naman siya tulad nating lahat. The fact that he was once working for MISG under then Col. Abadilla makes me say that he has lots of background and experience in eliminating people; not necessarily he himself but giving out orders. Ganyan ang trabaho sa intelligence unit. Wala tayong magagawa. Kung hindi kaya ng sikmura mo sa ganyang trabaho, don’t be assigned in such a unit. Dapat sa traffic ka na lang. Kaya hindi na bago kay Lacson ang ganyan mga pangyayari. Minsan na rin nasangkot ang mga tauhan niya sa pag-atake sa isang grupo ng mga kaanib ng INK sa tapat mismo ng kanilang kapilya sa QC habang paalis sa pagsamba. Napagkamalan lang sila. Pinagbabaril at hinabol hanggang sa loob ng New Era General Hospital at kahit doon ay tinakot ang mga doctor at nurses. Nakarating sa pamunuan ng INK ang insidente at agad na nagpadala ng sariling security force ang INK dala ang malalakas na armas (INK has her own private army). The hospital was surrounded and if not for the timely arrival of an unidentified General, Lacson’s men would have been killed right there. The following day, Erap, then Executive Secretary Zamora, Wycoco went to see Ka Erdie to personally apologize. Nakulong ang mga abusadong tauhan ni Lacson na noo’y directly supervised by Mancao, Dumlao, Aquino. Kulong lahat ang involved. Where was Lacson at that time. Lumipad bigla sa Tate para palabasin na wala siya sa Pilipinas nang nangyari ang insidente.
Baka naman kaya ayaw ni Lacson ang labanan sa korte dahil kapag nagka labasan na ng ebidensya ay lalabas pala na ang mastermind ay si FVR. Di lalo ng naloko, siguradong hindi makalalabas ng buhay si Lacson sa jail nya….hahahhahahaha
Yung ngang lechon baboy hilaw pa kung dalawang oras lang ang luto.–Sax..
Ang litson, tayatay lang ang pagluto,lalo na kung tuhugin ng kawayan at iikot-ikot sa baga,mayroon pang punas punas iyan ng tubig gamit dahon ng saging para malutong ang balat kung ilitson mo naman sa oven ay mataas na ang 400 degree.Saka inaalis ang dugo.
Buhusan mo nga kaya ng isang drum na gasolina iyan,pati buto sunog.Iyun nga nagliyab na kotse ilang minuto lang tustado ang driver sa loob beyond recognition.
Ano si Lacson baliw at basta na lang susuko?Hindi susuko iyan kasi mabuburo ang tumbong niya sa kulungan.Una masahol pa sa usad ng pagong kung bistahin ang kaso sa korte. Hearing ngayon,tapos next hearing sa isang taon na naman,mabuti kung matuloy pa. Naantala kasi sumakit ang tiyan ng judge at hindi siya makatae. kung isang daan pang wetnesses (Aha) ang ipeprensenta,direct and cross examination,aabutin na naman ng isang taon. Isang siglo bago magkaroon ng desisyon ang korte sa kaso niya. Pardonado na siya kung ma convict man siya kasi mahigit na siyang 70.
Kaya iyung nagsasabi bakit di na lang sumuko si Lacson kung wala siyang kasalan.
Hindi gagaya kay Lacson kay Trillanes,mas marami pa siyang magagawa kung laya siya kesa maghimas siya ng rehas at maghintay ng bista.
Hindi ba puwedeng gumawa ng special arrangement si De Lima o sino pa man para matapos agad ang kaso.
What did you mean by special arrangement? Sa maboteng usapan at cashunduan?
Sorry but whether Lacson likes it or not he must come out. Puwede bang lagi na lang siya nagtatago? Shall he wait for the next administration when he’s not sure if the next President would be friendly to him? Come on. Alam ng taga NBI kung nasaan siya. Kasi ang NBI agents ang mga bodyguards niya.
Parang yong kay Erap na special court. Inabot din ng anim na taon yong kaso na yon.
# 95
Recently, a relative passed away and she was cremated. Sunog lahat pero natira ang mga buto. This runs counter to your claim that the bones can easily be burned. That’s the reason why after thousands of years, we still can find skeletons and bones of those who died. Ewan ko ba…medyo mahirap pag-usapan kapag lechon na. Ngayon pa lang gutom na ako hindi pa Araw ng Pasko.
# 99
Special court para sa ilan pero Kangaroo court naman sa iba. Depende kung saan kampo at sino ang nagsasalita.
Reinvestigation lang naman ang gusto ni Lacson ewan ko ba kung bakit hindi siya mapagbigyan. Sa nangyaring hostage killing sa Luneta, iyan din ang hiling sana ni Mendoza na i-review uli ang kaso niya. Kapag hindi maresolba itong problema ni Lacson, baka mabalitaan na lang natin na nag-hostage siya ng tourist bus.
Doon sa Sandigan Bayan ni Erap ay lumabas lahat ng ebidensya sa parte ni Erap at ebidensya na galing sa kalaban nya.
Kitang kita naman sa ebidensya na nag labasan kung totoo ba ang charges kay Erap o hindi? Kung tama ba ang verdict ng Court o hindi.
Ngayon sa kaso ni Lacson, ano ang problema nya? Ke guilty sya o hindi ay kayang kaya syang e pardon ni Noynoy.
Puwera na lang kung ang lumabas na ebidensya ay si Tabako pala ang mastermind ay siguradong patay si Lacson.
Parang yong kay Erap na special court. Inabot din ng anim na taon yong kaso na yon.
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True. Although I wasn’t altogether happy with Erap, in hindsight it looks like we just played into someone’s trap. He shouldn’t have been treated that way, and I’m not so sure that the basis for his conviction was substantial enough…pero nakakulong na siya…he faced his accusers squarely, believing in our justice system – but look how it ended? What transpired was mob rule and trial by publicity…unfortunately I was one of those who agreed with it – and that was really stupid of me…
Even the Ampatuan witnesses who died did not trust the DOJ, imagine?
It appears someone is still pulling the strings here, and not even the most powerful man in the country (the president) can do anything about it. Who the hell can?
I don’t know if I just have tunnel vision or worst…but right from the start i believed that unless Aquino had Lacson and Trillanes as his big guns, nothing substantially good will come out of his 6 years…unless its a holdover position also…these guys can do a lot better than the so called friends and allies he has surrounding him now…
he needs people who can take the fight to the enemy so he can get out of this defensive, paralyzed, constantly off balance, explaining himself, position…mere rhetorics will not hack it in the long run…he’s got to take a strong position somewhere along the road, its either he defines his administration or someone else will…
Kumg Jury system sama ang judicial process mas okey pa kasi sa oras na sinimulan dingin ang kaso tuloy-tuloy iyan hangang matapos at magkaroon ng verdict. 12 Jurors ang mag decide kung guilty or not,hindi ang judge kaya kailangan magaling ang mga lawyers bith side kasi kukumbinsihin nila ang jurors at hindi ang judge.Kailangan magroon ng 12 guilty verdict,kung sakali man isa sa juror ang not guilty at hindi na nila siya makumbinse na baguhin ang desisyun niya magkakaroon ng “Hung Jury,” either laya na ang akusado or panibagong hearing na naman kung may maipakitang bagong matibay na ebidenya ang proscecuting team.
Iyan ang kabutihan ng Jury System. Sa atin si Judge ang mag desisyon, kung nataon ka sa bias na judge magdasal ka na lang ng maraming “Hail Mary”.
# 104
Did Erap benefit from jueteng? Yes. Did Erap receive bribes? Most likely even if he used these for some laudable projects such as the Muslim Youth. Did Erap commit plunder? Yes and No. But his enemies used this because it’s not bailable. Mere graft and corruption could be bailable. After several attempts to convince him to formally state that he resigned once and for all; to fly out of the country, he refused. Plunder was filed against him. But that was during the early years of Arroyo’s illegitimate government. It was a do or die thing for Gloria and her conspirators to convict Erap or else his ouster would not be complete.
But this time, it’s the new Noynoy administration that has no grudge against Lacson. Lacson even supported Noynoy last election. If it’s another administration, let’s say Villar, then Lacson has all the reasons to fear injustice. Si Noynoy naman ang nakaupo eh bakit hindi pa siya lumitaw? Worst scenario is he would be placed in a safe comfortable cell most probably at NBI complete with bed and air conditioner. Then, he would be released after a few days. Kung si Erap nagawang makulong ng maraming taon, ano naman ang ilang araw na pahinga sa loob ng NBI na hawak ng dati niyang tauhan na si Gatdula.
Ang kawawa iyung mga mahihirap na akusado, nasanay na silang matulog ng nakatayo ng sampung taon dahil wala silang abugado na magtatangol sa kanila. Kung public defender naman ang abugado nila, magaling lang ang mga abugado sa bargaining kaya considered gulity na sila kahit walang kasalanan.
@ Marz, usad pagong nga ang korte sa atin kaya ayaw sumuko ni Lacson.Buti sana kung sa pagsuko niya kinabukasan umpisahan ng dingin ang kaso niya. Maraming magreklamo kasi bibigyan siya ng special priveledge na antimano hearing na. Pano na iyuang mga iba na naghintay ng sampung taon na umaasam na mabistahan na ang kaso nila?
Mabuti sana kung maksama ni Lacson si ni Andal Ampatuan sa kulungan, mayroon pagpraktisan si Lacson ng punching bag.
Kumpletos rekados ang thread naito. Pros and cons, rule of evidence, etc. But after all have been said and done, the bottomline is in the hands of Noynoy. He is the president and has “excellent and bright” legal minds as legal advisers and at his disposal; maybe they can find a way to a compromise that is both acceptable to the parties. This thing has been wasting too much time and has to be settled ASAP, so that they can concentrate on more important cases like the Ampatuans but most especially on the crimes of Gloria and her pig.
DOJ’s priority is somewhat twisted but expected.
Lacson is being accused of masterminding the murder of two (2) persons. The Ampatuans are not just mere suspects but the real killers of more than 50 people. Just by looking at the picture and numbers, one would know what case should be more urgent. But what is being done is “selective prioritization”.
That being the case it’s not hard to understand but to expect why the Lacson case is the priority. It’s all about the Gloria connection. Lacson is a mortal enemy of Gloria and her pig, the Ampatuans are Gloria’s cronies, and the DOJ chief was one time Gloria’s right winger, and Noynoy as the president, wether he has no balls to roll the dice and decide which way to go, to the straight or the crooked path, or he is a player himself in this charade.
This is Philippine justice, a several tier system at work.
@ florry,
Yang kaso ng mga Ampatuan, maswerte kung tapos iyan sa loob ng 20 years.Maganda lang kasi nakakulong ang akusado.
Can the DOJ or Courts do a Trial In Absentia on Sen. Lacson’s case? If so, why wait for Sen Lacson to surface. Let the case be heard, and Sen. Lacson be represnted by his counsel. Then, perhaps the truth could come out, and I think ex-president Fidel V. Ramos’ name would surface as well. Maybe…just maybe, in the final outcome, it would show that FVR has the most to gain in the disappearance of Messrs. Dacer and Corbito.
The inclusion of Sen. Lacson as primary suspect in this case is fabricated, sponsored by Gloria and Mike Arroyo, to the delight of Fidel V. Ramos.
De Lima finds herself in a dilemma. But I call it a serious case of misplaced priorities.
Deep down in my gut, I have this uneasy feeling.. that if the DOJ pursues and succeeds in locating and arresting Lacson before Gloria and her ilk are brought to justice, chaos will ensue. The tide will turn and Noynoy won’t know what hit him.
Galing kay Erik Marasigan:
Natumbok po ninyo, ang kaso ni Sir Ping ay isang napakalaking “kawalang-hustisya.”
Sana po ay makapag-isip isip ng maayos ang ating butihing DOJ Secretary at mapagbigyan niya ang kahilingan ni Sir Ping. Sana po ay ito na ang matanggap na Christmas gift ng kaisa-isang public servant na inidolo ko.
Trial in absentia is possible only after the accused had been arraigned and waived his right to participate in the trial. Dapat may personal appearance. Isa din yan sa problema ng motion for reinvestigation by the defense. The court can not act on the motion without the accused having submitted himself to the jurisdiction of the court. The motion for reinvestigation is not addressed to the DOJ but to the court since the information is already filed there. DOJ can only give Lacson some favor if it does not object to the motion for reinvestigation. Ang problema, the court has not yet acquired jurisdiction over the person of the accused.
Okay. Tignan niyo ang
People v. Alexio Lupango G.R. No. L-32633 November 12, 1981,
“The charred body of the victim Mrs. Teresa Vda. de Iglesia was recovered from the burned house and autopsied..”; and the remains were intact enough for the medico-legal to determine that the cause of death was fracture of the skull, prior to burning.
Bahay na yang nasunog, nakita pa ang bangkay, at nasuri pang nabagok ang ulo bago masunog.
So tell me again about the two-hour fire that pulverized to ashes the bodies of Dacer and Corbito.
May testimonya pa na sinasabing utos daw ni Glenn Dumlao, kila Dilloy, “gawing pulbos” ang dalawa.
Pulido na sana yung script, pero ayaw makisama ng physical evidence.
Puwede nang mahatulan yung mga iba, dahil nag-rest na ang prosecution. Aywan ko kung tapos na ang defense. Puwede namang hiwalay na trial yung kay Lacson.
Pero ayaw hatulan ang iba, dahil walang ebidensya. Meantime, dahil non-bailable, ikulong muna si Lacson, tapos papalo tayo ng usual lawyerly postponements, tulad ng kaso nila Danny Lim. Kulong si Lacson, hagalpak ng tawa yung baboy sa golf course.
Teka muna.
The Regional Trial Court of Manila is trying the case?
Jurisdiction is retained by the regional trial court where the offense was committed. The offense charged is “double murder” (sic) [two counts of murder – you cannot kill a man twice.] The murder was alleged to have taken place in Cavite, not Manila.
True, the abduction might have taken place Manila, but the charge is murder, not abduction.
Bakit? Hindi ba friendly ang judge sa Cavite?
Kapag walang jurisdiction, all proceedings are null and void. And questions of jurisdiction may be raised any time, even on appeal (after judgment).
#117. Thanks Toting. Sa tingin ko mas maraming nalalaman at kinalaman si FVR.
marz – December 6, 2010 11:23 am
#89
Sabi nga ni Sax, ang ebidensiya ang pag-usapan hindi ang personalidad. Hindi iyon dahil kampi natin si ito at iyon. At hindi natin pinagtutulungan si Lacson. Karamihan dito isa lang naman ang hiling sa kanya, lumitaw na siya. Tutal payag naman ang Senado na i-custody siya.
ako ba si #89? sori hindi kasi gumagana numbering dito sa IE version ko (FYI nga pala elen)…
anyway, nasabi ko yung pinagtutulungan.. hindi para sa mga bloggers ang comment ka na yan.. kundi yung mga lintek na judges, prosecuters, politicians… at yung vacc nakiki sawsaw … pati yung rosebud biglang lumitaw..
nabanggit mo pa na ebidensya… ireview mo nga ulit post mo kasama ng comment mo na yan.. puro personalities ng mga tao sinasabi mo…
yung mga highlights sa testimonya nila mancao, aquino, dumlao.. binabanggit si bigote… huwag mong sabihing hindi mo alam si bigote.. tapos iniisip mo walang kinalaman si Erap…
#111
It’s all about connection. May connection ba si Noynoy kay Gloria? Kung si Villar ang Presidente natin ngayon, puwede pa. All these are mere speculations. It all comes down to the basic question again: If Lacson was not the mastermind, then who? If Marcos was not the mastermind, then who? So on and on. Murder is a crime, a very serious one. We do not dispute that. But so are other crimes…the election cheating, Fertilizer scam, Legacy Plan scam, ZTE deal, etc. These crimes were not committed on only two persons but all Filipinos. And yet, no one has been convicted or at least entirely punished until this day.
Tapos etong Dacer case ang sentro ng usapan at investigation ngayon…
juggernaut – December 6, 2010 12:47 pm
I don’t know if I just have tunnel vision or worst…but right from the start i believed that unless Aquino had Lacson and Trillanes as his big guns, nothing substantially good will come out of his 6 years…unless its a holdover position also…these guys can do a lot better than the so called friends and allies he has surrounding him now..
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Haha! Exactly what I fought for before the elections when they did not accept the ‘simple offer’ of the Magdalo. That was already a past but I still think it’s best if PNoy gives these guys a chance to help him realize his promise of ‘matuwid na daan’ that is currently nagtutuwad na daan.
As to Lacson, I agree with xman at this point: “Puwera na lang kung ang lumabas na ebidensya ay si Tabako pala ang mastermind ay siguradong patay si Lacson.”
#113
Trial in absentia? Not a bad idea. Puwede din kulong in absentia ano…he, he. In any criminal investigation, determining the motive is one of the first things an investigator does. Dacer’s job as a PR man could have stepped on a lot of people’s foot. So, many had motive to eliminate him.
#113. “The inclusion of Sen. Lacson as primary suspect in this case is fabricated, sponsored by Gloria and Mike Arroyo, to the delight of Fidel V. Ramos.”
Yes kapatid, sobrang bigat ang mga kalaban ni Ping! Nakay PNoy ang decision. I wish
(con’t) PNoy would act just in time….
#115
I don’t think it would result to chaos. Erap’s arrest did not even result in chaos. But of course the May 1st tragedy was one. That bloody day was actually masterminded by a few senators loyal to Erap supported by two very powerful and religious groups. Lacson does not have such a following. Siguro isa si Jamby Madrigal ang lalabas sa kalye.
#77 the reason why nothing is heard about the chinese disquised entering Canada is because the case now is before the competent court…the media would not be reporting or the the politicians would not be commenting, otherwise they will be cited for some infractions..for politicians they don’t have the habit of intervening with cases before the courts, or they can kiss the political career goodbye..for the Media it is just an ethical issue…they will be reporting the case during the hearing andt the politicians will be making noise after the case is resolved, usually what is to be done in terms of legislation and policies..
yes you are right, we are not Utopia or any enhanted kingdom, but we have a process and we are governed by the rule of law.
#122
Siyempre hindi ka si #89. Si Perl ka. Mga personalidad nga ang binanggit ko pero mga taong may kinalaman sa kaso at mga halimbawa para lalong maging maganda ang usapan. Ang ibig sabihin ni Atty. Sax at sumang-ayon ako ay hindi porke mabait ang isang tao ay di kayang gumawa ng kasalanan o krimen. Get mo?
To those supporting Lacson and believers of justice, don’t worry because Pnoy won’t abandon Lacson. We should only hope that this case be resolved during Pnoy’s tenure. Siguro naman tapos na iyan sa 2016. Otherwise, baka si Pacquiao ang Presidente natin sa 2016 at pahirapan si Lacson na naman dahil bata iyan ni Villar at Singson.
sorry it was a reply to your comment in # 77 which is also a reply to your own comment…very confusing with these numbering..
but to reteirate my point, once the case especially criminal cases already filed in court and under its jurisdiction, everyone, including the crown prosecutors, the media, and especially the politicians (they don’t comment on cases before the court, unless it is the matter of constitutional issues) are all in the mute mode until the start of the trial, be it by the Judge alone or the by the Judge and the Jury…the accused or dependant can choose to be tried by either for charges of crimes that is punishable for the five years or more…for the crime of murder, it a mandatory to be tried by the jury of your own peers.
#132
The system in your country is different then. Here in the Philippines, everyone especially the media keep talking about the case when it’s already in court. Often times, public and media reactions do influence the judiciary especially if the one commenting on it comes from Malacanang.
Take the case of Hubert Webb. His sister Pinky is in media and with ABS-CBN. Needless to say, the Webbs have lots of friends in the media. That’s why I do not blame Vizconde and his lawyer complaining about media portraying Hubert as innocent even showing the videos to prove that he was in US when the crime was committed. Then NBI Director Mison vehemently disagreed and even said that deep in his heart, he believes that Hubert was guilty and public must not be influenced by the media that’s friendly to the Webbs.
#118. atty sax: May testimonya pa na sinasabing utos daw ni Glenn Dumlao, kila Dilloy, “gawing pulbos” ang dalawa.
Pulido na sana yung script, pero ayaw makisama ng physical evidence.
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Kaya nga nakakapagtaka kung bakit de Lima refuses to see that e brilliant lawyer sya. If her hands are tied up as others here say, it runs counter to her being the ‘toughest gurl’ in town (daw).
Bakit walang media na nagpunta sa crime scene noong April 2001, nang sinabing nakita ang sasakyan ni Dacer? Dahil ba kasali sila sa pagluluto ng opinion ng tao para sa plunder charge ni Erap?
Di ba’t kay Failon, at sa Hong Kong hostage massacre nandoon agad ang abs-cbn? How about the Inquirer? May nagpunta ba? Nakita sanang walang sapat na sunog doon, tulad ng sabi ni Father Baldostamon.
Sinong nagpunta? Ang mga Dacer sisters at ang kanilang hinirang na forensic expert, si Raquel Fortun. Maaaring noong med school, absent yang si Fortun nang dina-dissect ang mga cadaver sa freshman year. I say that, dahil sabi niyang buto daw nila Dacer yung sinabi ni De Ungria na “animal skull”.
Bobo ba yan, o bayad?
Tapos, ang abogado, initially ni Michael Ray Aquino at Mancao, yung bayaw, si Sigfrid Fortun. Talk about telegraphing your punches.
Like #135, atty sax. Absent pala ang media sa crime scene nun, kontrolado ng mastermind ang resulta a!
chi,
til now naman… kontrolado pa din ang media… palaging nasa balita ang kaso na yan… ni hindi man lang pinagusapan ang ebidensya… sabi nga ni Atty sax.. puro motibo, motibo, motibo…
pero may isang interview ang media kay Raquel Fortun.. pustiso yung pinagbasehan nya na nakita sa crime scene.. kay dacer daw yun..
I used to be a non-admirer of Ping Lacson. But that was years ago. What changed my mind about him? When he became senator, he exposed and fought Gloria and Mike Arroyo like no other had done. He needed no big rally with thousands of rallyistas. He was all by his lonesome. Consistent and courageous on the Senate floor. A lone samurai battling the thieving duo of the Dark Palace.
And now he is going to be pursued and arrested? Ahead of Gloria and her ilk? And they expect Ping to trust this justice system loaded with Gloria’s appointees?
Like Tongue said, madali namang magpagawa ng bago, para itanim sa crime scene.
Nagtanim ng sapatos, sabi ng Dacer sisters, hindi daw kay Dacer. Oops, kay Corbito daw, sabi naman ng familya, no, masyadong malaki.
Comedy of errors ang planting of evidence, yet, paniwala pa rin ang madla na patay si Dacer. Okay na, madaling magoyo ang madla. Pero prosecutors and NBI investigators? Hindi nagoyo yan, nabayaran.
>>>>>Murder is a crime, a very serious one. We do not dispute that. But so are other crimes…the election cheating, Fertilizer scam, Legacy Plan scam, ZTE deal, etc. These crimes were not committed on only two persons but all Filipinos. And yet, no one has been convicted or at least entirely punished until this day.
Tapos etong Dacer case ang sentro ng usapan at investigation ngayon…——->marz – December 6, 2010 9:51 pm
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My thoughts exactly, pare ko. LIke I said way-way up earlier on this thread, I was thinking along the lines that perhaps the Truth Commision was created exactly for that purpose. This toothless commission is (I think) really just a delaying tactic commission to buy time for the real criminals in Philippine political history. Ergo, they are, for the moment, UNTOUCHABLES. Worse, perhaps by the time a decision would had been made, Gloria and her marry band of thieves and cutthroats would likely be exonerated as Gloria’s puppies are all in their strategic places of power. Imagine, even DAVIDE is at the helm of the commission. If that is not some form of an oxymoron, I don’t know what to call it ! Come to think of it, is PNoy naively in that caper too ? The commission was his brainchild, wasn’t it ?
I mean we know PNoy promised total transparency as his election battle-cry, but the only transparent image I can see of PNoy is his ever emerging transparent scalp.
I, for one cannot blame Ping for not coming out of the open even with a perceived iota of (some) guilt. With a losing hand and the odds totally against his favor, this gentleman-cavalier would die first before he commits himself at the mercy of the real culprits.
#135
Malaking papel ang media sa lahat ng bagay. They can make and unmake the public perception and opinion. Di ba kasali din ang media sa pagbagsak kay Erap? At may media ba ang nag-cover noon sa May 1st riot? DZEC at Net 25 lang. The giant media networks entered in during the riot when several Erap supporters were arrested. In one video coverage, one ABS-CBN lady reporter was shown grabbing an Erap fan’s T-shirt inside a police station asking him “Erap fan ka ba? Bakit may t-shirt kang ganoon?” I don’t see that reporter anymore today.
You mentioned about Failon’s incident. Kung hindi dahil sa media lalo na ang ABS-CBN, walang lusot si Ted. Mismong si Gabby Lopez ang tumulong sa kanya. Ted was supported by his colleagues. At that time, Korina Sanchez was defending him vigorously. Needless to say, ABS-CBN spent quite an amount in helping Ted just like what it did to its famous talents like Ces Drilon when she was kidnapped. ABS-CBN ang nagbayad ng ransom kay Ces. Now, don’t be surprised if Ted and Ces continue to work at ABS-CBN until they retire. Malaki ang utang nila sa ABS-CBN. Back to Ted, the Police could have mishandled and mistreated him and his family. But this did not erase the fact that Ted could really be guilty. Halos pareho ang kaso niya sa Vizconde. On Ted’s instruction, the house helpers cleaned up the evidences just like what Biong did to Vizconde’s crime scene presumably upon the request of the Webbs. Ted studied law. He should have known better that it was wrong to touch and alter a crime scene until the investigators or SOCO arrived. Pero tapos na iyon. Ligtas na si Ted. Patuloy pa rin nagbibiro at tumatawa sa kanyang programa.
Bakit walang media sa crime scene ni Dacer? Good question.
#139
With today’s advanced technology, we can practically do everything even the impossible. You learned about that Chinese disguised as an old man in illegally entering Vancouver, Canada. Puwedeng ganyan din ang ginawa nina Dacer at Corbito at tahimik na namumuhay sa ibang bansa. Anong malay niyo driver pa rin si Corbito ni Dacer doon. Dacer’s kids and family could only be faking to convince the people that the older Dacer was dead. Funny imagination but it’s possible. And Lacson could also disguise himself. Reports have it that Lacson disguises as he roams around the city and country. Everything is possible through cosmetic magic.
uu sax, may napanood akong ganyan… prison break, hehe… tinanggalan ng pustiso si pedro at nilagay sa patay.. para maipalabas nila na pinatay talga si pedro…
at alam mo bang nagpahayag si De lima na balak nyang kunin ang servisyo ni Raquel Fortun kung kinakailngan daw para sa imbestigasyon sa Aug 23 incident… tumaas talga kilay ko sa pahayag na yan ni de lima…
#140
Based on your line of reasoning and argument which I concur; and if we connect all the pieces, Pnoy could be protecting Gloria and the Pidals after all. Appointing Davide to head the Truth Commission aroused my suspicion. Of all the people who were as qualified and even more, why Davide? Pnoy knew that appointing him would certainly cause suspicion and objection especially from anti-Gloria groups. But Pnoy did not care. Then what? Wala pang nangyayari sa Truth Commission. May special deal kaya between Pnoy and Gloria? Are there things that we and the public do not know?
You know why Pnoy is hands off Lacson’s case, at least Malacanang wants us to believe? Because Pnoy himself does not come out clean. He masterminded the massacre of farmers in Hacienda Luisita. It was reported that he personally led the armed group in shooting the protesting farmers. And the Mendiola Massacre? Then Manila Police Chief Fred Lim ordered the massacre presumably upon the order of Cory. There you go…many unsolved murders and killings and then we’re focusing on two dead people that we’re no even sure are dead.
mabalik nga tayo kay De lima… ano ba mga nagawa nyang nakakabilib noong CHR chairperson pa sya? hindi ko kasi sya nakilala kung hindi pa magkakaron ng Maguindanao Massacre…
#143
Gusto ko ang number na ito. 143 means “I Love You”. Magaling na Forensic Expert si Raquel Fortun. US trained pa nga. Kaya lang kamag-anak ng mga corrupt na abogadong Fortun.
Sira ang credibility ni Raquel. Hirap kasi sa atin kulang sa mga experts kahit na sa Forensic. Kahit SOCO, paano kapani-paniwala ang mga hitsura na tulad ni Gus Abelgas?
#145
In fairness to De Lima, maganda naman ang trabaho niya sa HRC.
Palaban siya at walang kinakatakutan. Unless someone tells me, I don’t think she’s corrupt and has enriched herself. In fact, she’s the poorest cabinet member.
Some people think her hands are tied up. Maybe. She protested a little bit when the recommendation of the Commission to investigate the Luneta hostage killing she headed was contradicted by Pnoy. Right there if it’s a matter of principle, she could have quit. But she decided to stay. That now raises questions about her conviction and integrity. Many good people are eaten by the rotten system of the government and society. Kung hindi nila masikmura, umalis na lang sila. At kung ayaw nilang umalis, maki-ride on na lang.
Ayos talaga ito si perl, Erap bashing pa rin. Lahat na ibintang niyo kay Erap, pero sa tingin ko di naman mamatay tao ang mama. Maging si Bishop Bcpacani nagsabi ng imposible itong pagdawit kay Erap.
Kakaiba ka talaga perl! Masyado kang inggit sa mama dahil nalagpasan ka cguro!
Si Tabako ang may kinalaman diyan sa pagpatay kay Dacer at Corbito. Siya ang unang nag- ingay wala pang isang oras nawawala sina Dacer.
Buti pa sina Marz at Sanx maayos ang reasoning, pero si bestfriend perl? Parang galing sa ibang planeta! Wala ng makitang upakan kundi si Erap nanaman.
#150
si tabako?na naman…. eh sabi nga ng witness ni Sen. Ping na si Glen Dumlao na si erap nga daw ang mastermind…antayin nalang natin kung makorner si Erap, baka sa katagalan bibigay din siya ng pahayag after 12 years na si FVR may kinalaman…hay naku! kawawang juan dela cruz, pinag laro ng malaking puzzle…hehehhehe
hehe… igan andres, tanong mo kay Mancao, Dumlao at Aquino kung sino si Bigote… sinasabi kong dawit si Erap dahil sa affidavit nung tatlo..
huwag kang magalala may naniniwala din akong sa theorya na si tabako talga mastermind pagkawala nila…
may nagtanong sa taas… kung si tabako talga may pakana… bakit hindi sinasabi nila Lacson at Erap?
tingin mo andres?
#150, Andres
Korek, simple aritmitik di ba…at di ito drawing, ang Pangulong Erap ang bosing so di ba ang nangawalanghiya sa kanya upang patalsikin e si Tabako and his goons?
Logic ang isyu, natural na ang kampo ng mga naghudas kay Pres. Erap ang posibleng gumawa ng krimen upang ibintang sa kanyang gobyerno at isa ito na maging alibi upang di siya tantanan ng mga utak-pulbura na walang inisip kundi ibigsak si Erap…di ba nangyari ito bunga ng EDSA DOS.
Onli Pres. Erap sa kasyasayan ng Pinas ang siyang may balls ang guts na bumawi sa 46 MILF camps against the rebels…ngayon sige sa mga kritiko ang tunay na pag-asa ng bayan?
Dapat…magkaroon ng malalimang imbistigasyon sa kasong ito, not onli Lacson and Erap’s camp ang siyang pagtuunan ng pansin kundi ang kampo ni Tabako kasi sila ang trojan horse kaya nagkaletse-letse ang Pinas at pati na ang buhay ng sambayanang Pilipino.
#51, ms
Sabi yon ng witness ika mo…but ang argumento e between sa counter witness stand?
Kaya dito masusukat ang husay at galing ng mga prosecutors at defense teams na hahawak sa kasong ito.
Maliban kung lutong-macao ang laban…kaya normal kay Sen. Lacson na magtago kasi ang daming hoodlums-in-uniform na nakapwesto ngayon.
Nagkapobya na yan ng kuyugin ng tropang Pidalista si Pres. Erap…nilitis ayon sa kawalanghiyaan ng mga hudas at sinungaling.
Puwede tayong magtanggol ng isang tao na hindi umatake sa iba. Eto medyo ang napala ni Perl kaya nag-react sina Andres at Balweg who are obviously Erap supporters. Kasi ba naman Perl, you keep defending Lacson but at the same time pointing finger at Erap. Ayan, lumaki tuloy ang usapan. “Bigote” could be anything and anyone. It all comes down again the motive behind Dacer’s murder. What motive did Erap have in eliminating Dacer? But at this point, I agree that everyone is a suspect.
#154
“Nagkapobya na yan ng kuyugin ng tropang Pidalista si Pres. Erap’
paano naman si Senator Trillanes???? kinuyog din naman ng mga buwaya ng mga Pidal,ayun nakulong…ngayon, nagagampanan pa rin naman ang tungkulin bilang senador habang nasa piitanm, may nangyayari pa nga ng mga hearings maski wala sa senado…
Si Capt. FAeldon, nagtago nung nasa malakanyang pa ang mga Pidal, eh sabi niya lalake naman daw syang haharap pag bago na ang administrasyon, sumuko din matapos maupo si Pnoy… Si Sen. Ping, mula nung nakaraang tanong, pahayag lang ng pahayag na buo niyang haharapin ang mga kaso laban sa kanya, “kung mai-loklok ang Pnoy Administration”.. Ngayon na naman, nangyari na ang kanyang gustong mangyari na manalo si Pnoy at naupo na, eh di pa rin sya nagpapakita at patuloy pa rin nagtatago….
Ngayon ulit, may mga kondisyon na di naman lumabas na dati,bakit daw siya ginaganito eh wala naman daw syang kasalanan???? hay naku….ano naman ba? gusto niya makita makulong ang mga Pidal? buwhahhahahah…
buttomline, pakalalake tayo paminsan minsan..
#151
The Dacer murder was not the first blamed on Erap. Remember that Casino employee who was never found and they too blamed it on Erap? Doon pa rin ako sa legal argument ni Atty. Sax na without physical evidence, mahirap mapatunayan ang kaso. Kung minsan nakakatulong ang circumstantial evidence but this is more for initial finding and investigation. That was exactly the plan of the Ampatuans; to bury all the victims so that they would not be seen. Kaso nabisto sila.
# 156
Pinakamagaling na itanong natin sa isa sa pinakatapat at malapit na kaibigan at tauhan ni Lacson na si Lito Banayo na ngayon ay NFA Administrator. Alam niya ang katotohanan. Kaya lang hindi na yata sumusulat sa diaryo ang mama.
#158
ganun pa rin naman ang masasagot, siyempre ang malapit na magkaibigan eh talagang solid ang kanilang pagkakaintindihan,pagsasamahan at natural ipagtatanggol ang isa’t-isa ng buong tapat…
Pero kung may gusot naman, parang Erap+ jueteng-Chavit=Impeachment…ganun lang yan eh..
As far as I remembered, it was one of the daughter of Dacer who first mentioned Lacson as the possible suspect. She said her father told him that if ever something happened to him, it’s Lacson. Before that, everyone was looking at Erap. If it’s a set-up done by FVR as some were insinuating, then the target was Erap since it’s an open secret that since the start of Erap’s presidency, there was already a plot to oust Erap from Malacanang. The conspirators as we all now know: FVR, Gloria and the “evil” society.
Para matigil na kayo. Ako ang nag advise kay PNoy na gawing mainit na paksa ang paghahanap kunwari kay Lacson. Palabasin lang na ‘purisgido’ ang paghahanap sa kanya. The objective? See the headlines. Walang kalbo, abnoy, Puno at Mislang na pag-uusapan. Ayos ba? 😛
henry, hahaha.. san ka galing? miss kita ah… prang tagal mo atang nawala… alam mo… umaasa pa din ako na drama lang ang mga ito…
Perl:
Smoke and mirrors, if u like. . 🙂
Oo nga Henry buti sumipot ka at idepensa mo ang kakampi mong mayabang at arogante ding si perl! Takot na ako at baka sindakin nanaman tayo ng Ayer na si Henry90, sundalong magiting!
Masyado kasing mayabang itong kibigan mong si perl mukhang mana-mana!
Mike,
Good analysis, very logical. Buti pa ikaw very objective, di tulad ng iba dito na ver evil society kung magsalita.
I may have missed it but has the family of Dacer ever mentioned what they believe is the motive of Ping Lacson for allegedly killing their father and Corbito?
Andres:
Hanggang ngayon ba di ka pa rin marunong makipag debate? Hasain mo pa kasi ng husto yang itak mo. . Teka, ako pala dapat matakot sa yo. Sa kabilang kamay nga pala may hawak kang paltik. . hehehe
Parang mga Kastila noon dumating sa Pilipinas, mga Conquistadores. Ang isang kamay hawak ang Cross at ang kabila naman espada.
Drama lang ang paghanap kay Lacson? Puwede. Kung talagang gustong hanapin, nasa tabi tabi lang. Kapag may darating na NBI agents, tatawagin siya ni NBI Director Gatdula at sasabihin: “Sir, darating na diyan ang mga bata ko.” Siyempre wala silang makitang Lacson doon.
the problem with lacson is that he’s been in hiding since arroyo’s DOJ signalled the move to arrest him.
but here are a few things to consider:
1) find fr. gabriel baldostamon. he’s in sweden right now last time i heard.
2) why would lacson want dacer killed? wala namang ginawa si dacer sa kanya para magalit si ping, kung totoo yung bintang kay lacson.
3) if somebody allegedly ordered lacson to kill dacer, then the prime suspect is erap. but why isnt the DOJ going after the supposed mastermind joseph estrada? he’s still here isnt he?
4) if i were lima, i’d give lacson the assurance that we’d expedite the handling of this case para mas mabilis ma clear yung name ni lacson.
5) if i were lacson, i’d come out of hiding na.
http://www.politicaljunkie.blogspot.com/2010/12/wikileaks-hello-garci-tapes-and-media.html
henry,
wag mo munag sabihin dito alam mo… unless gusto mo na ilabas…hehe… sa ngayon medyo okay na skin yung binigay mong hint… 🙂
O.T.
SC declares Truth Commission unconstitutional:
Those who voted were:
Corona, de Castro, Brion, Velasco, Peralta, Bersamin,del Castillo, Villarama, Perez, Mendoza
@ Phil Cruz, # 166
I think it has something to do with Lacson becoming PNP chief which Dacer opposes.
http://www.asianewsnet.net/home/news.php?sec=1&id=4834
“Our father strongly opposed Senator Lacson’s appointment as chief of the Philippine National Police during the Estrada administration,” the Dacers said.
“This is expressed in one of his letters to then President Estrada,” they added.
They said their father told them a few months before his disappearance on Nov. 24, 2000 that if something happened to him, “there should be no one else to blame but Senator Lacson.” – Dacer’s daughters
#171
“Truth Commission: How the Supreme Court justices voted”
http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/12/07/10/truth-commission-how-supreme-court-justices-voted
Just read about the Truth Commision being unconstitutional. If im not mistaken, their term end this year. What a waste of people’s time, effort and money. it could have been put on better use elsewhere.
Re: SC declares Truth Commission unconstitutional
It was expected from Arroyo’s Supreme Court. What are next alternative venues to investigate Jose Pidal Mafia? Ombudsman ???? De Lima’s Department of Justice??? Gloria Arroyo is safe from prosecution under PNoy’s government.
bullshit. during that time in 2000, i don’t recall that line of reasoning from the dacers or the media re lacson being the “mastermind” of dacer corbito murder, and i’ve been following this case since 2000. it was primarily pinned on erap by the arroyo, edsa dos forces.
The Dacer children are not exactly credible either when their statements from 2000-2001 keep changing and inconsistencies were discovered by moi.
http://www.politicaljunkie.blogspot.com/2008/11/few-things-you-might-find-interesting.html
herman tiu laurel
http://www.politicaljunkie.blogspot.com/2009/03/glad-to-be-of-service-htl.html
To Mike and Johnmarzan,
Thanks for the very enlightening and very interesting links. Whew.. what a story this is. So I guess the best people to shed more light on the Dacer and Corbito case are: Ramos, Almonte and the priest who is now in Sweden.
At any rate, I still believe that the DOJ pursuing and arresting Lacson as a priority is a serious case of misplaced priorities..unless they’re just pretending it is a priority when in fact it really is not. The priority is to put the horde of thieves, murderers, kidnappers and smugglers of the immediate past administration behind bars.
thanks phil, here’s more since some of the links may be dead.
http://www.politicaljunkie.blogspot.com/2009/03/omissions-by-abs-cbn-on-alex-diloyjimmy.html
Like Ellen, I applauded de Lima for her determination to do right by the hostages, was among those who defended her in various forums when she was under attack and still believe that she has enough common sense in her to do things right.
But as most say here… why is she going overboard over this Lacson non-justice business?
I’d really like to know why.
And agree withour reservation with Phil Cruz!
Something is horridly wrong… Sec de Lima’s must re-jug her priorities.
With the plethora of DoJ documents in her possession, sensitive and not, she must have from which to re-jug her priorities, i.e., in order to nail the crooks and the criminals beginning with the Pidal couple and family who thought the world was theirs to abuse and misuse.
Johnmarzan link #179, shows that Lacson is in cahoots with criminals like fvr and gloria. That explains why Lacson keeps on pointing to Estrada instead of FVR. Lacson knows that once all evidences comes out, it will be pointing to FVR.
Lacson is just a patsy, just like in JFK assassination, Oswald was the patsy. Oswald was shot before he was able to talk. Same thing will happen to Lacson, he will be shot before he will be able to talk in the court of law. That’s why Lacson is very afraid.
kaya ayaw lumutang si lacson kasi mas malamang patay na siya hindi pa tapos ang paglilitis dahal sa tagal, yan ang batas sa pinas pinayayaman lang ang mga abogado. kapag ang abogado ay matino ayaw ng mag-praktis ng pagiging abogado dahil hindi naman nasusunod ang batas.
De Lima would be well advised to re-jug her priorities and to know why! This going about dispensing of DoJ powers is tupsy-turvy.
Why is de Lima acting this way? She wants to show the DOJ crew that she is a “team” player. I can not think of anything else. I do not think de Lima can be a “dog” for anybody.