Update on the IIRC, Oct. 6,2010:
President Aquino says he will release full Palace-IIRC report on Aug 23 hostage incident only after he marks his 100th day in his office this week.
A friend close to members of the Incident Investigation and Review Committee, that investigated the Aug. 23 tragedy where a dismissed policeman held hostage a busload of tourists from Hongkong resulting in the death of eight of them, called me up Saturday saying the information she got about the recommendation of the presidential panel tasked to review the IIRC recommendations was not good.
If true, that would be a downgrading of the recommendations of IIRC that recommended the filing of administrative and criminal charges against Lim. The IIRC also recommended the filing of administrative charges against Puno and Verzosa and “that a preliminary investigation be conducted by the appropriate government agency for any possible criminal liability.”
I called several sources in Malacañang. Only one replied. He said our fears are “unfounded.”
I fervently hope he is right and that the information my friend got is false. We are closely watching how President Aquino will decide on the IIRC recommendations because it will show us the direction that his administration will take after a disappointing first 100 days.
Meanwhile, Puno is on a PR blitz. There’s a group that calls itself Citizens for Good Governance and Public Accountability saying he is a victim of the jueteng mafia.
A Mark Estreller has sent me a letter giving Puno’s side on the IIRC report, putting the blame solely on Interior Secretary Jesse Robredo. Is this public conditioning for the release of the recommendation of presidential panel?
In the interest of fairness, I’m reproducing Estreller’s letter in toto.
In the light of the release of the IIRC report, as well as the numerous publicized media reports regarding the liable officials and media personnel for the failed Quirino hostage incident, officials like DILG USec. Rico Puno has received a disproportionate share of the blame and negative publicity. In the interest of justice and fairness, we would like to point out these fallacies and shed light on some of these issues:
A. USec. Rico Puno assumed the position of the DILG Secretary as the Chair of the National Peace and Order Council (NPOC) and the national Crisis Management Committee (CMC) in handling the incident.
This is patently false for several reasons.
Per E.O. 309 of 1097, E.O. 320 of 1988, E.O. 773 of 2009, the chair of National Peace and Order Council (NPOC) is the Secretary of the DILG. The NPOC is responsible for activating the national Crisis Management Committee (CMC). Per Memorandum Order 121 of 2000, the chair of the national CMC is the head of the agency or office of primary responsibility; the DILG in this case.
Rico Puno is the Undersecretary for Peace and Order responsible for overseeing the Bureau of Fire Protection (BFP) and the Bureau of Jail Management and Penology (BJMP). The IIRC point out that Puno assumed the role of the DILG Secretary in heading the NPOC and CMC because he was assigned by the President “to oversee the PNP.” This is false however. Even the presumed “supervisory powers” granted to Puno over the PNP “as ordered by the President” does not confer him the power to lead the NPOC and CMC, which the law vests on cabinet level officials. Only the DILG Secretary can chair the NPOC and activate the national CMC if he finds that it is warranted by the situation. Why he did not do so is for him to explain.
B. The level of accountability for the crisis stops with USec. Puno as he was supervising the PNP.
This is again patently false for several reasons.
1. The involvement of foreign nationals, the nature of the hostage situation (e.g. the involvement of the Ombudsman), and the activation of the local POC and CMC is enough to show that this incident was no simple police matter for which the PNP and USec. Puno has sole responsibility. In fact, the involvement of the NPOC and the national CMC might have been warranted already. This decision however did not rest with USec. Puno or the local CMC.
2. The decision to elevate the situation and activate the national CMC falls on the chair of the NPOC: DILG Secretary Robredo. With the incident blaring on national TV, why did he not intervene and kept claiming that he was “kept out of the loop”? How can a mere Undersecretary keep his superior, the head of the agency, a member of Cabinet Cluster E, the chair of the NPOC, and the national CMC from assuming his post and the lawful exercise of his powers?
C. USec. Puno is not qualified to hold the post of Undersecretary for Peace and Order and exercise supervision over the PNP because he does not have law enforcement and hostage rescue training.
This is false and unfair for several reasons.
1. USec Puno is just as qualified as most other past civilian officials who has assumed the portfolio he is currently holding. His knowledge in tactical weapons and combat, his experience as liaison officer for the PNP and AFP when he was serving President Aquino in the legislature, and past managerial experience actually renders him more qualified to the post than most of his civilian critics. Further, his post is administrative in nature. He is surrounded by senior police, fire, and penology officials who can give qualified advice where it is needed.
2. It is fair to ask, how many past DILG Secretaries and Undersecretaries for Peace and Order in the past actually have hostage rescue and negotiation training and credentials? What is the basis in saying that hostage rescue and negotiations training is a required qualification for his post? Where is it written? Is it fair to criticize Puno, who is only 2 months in the post, on this basis?
D. USec. Puno committed gross negligence in entrusting the strategizing for the hostage rescue and negotiation to the local CMC and police officials.
This is false and unfair for several reasons.
1. It is a basic management tenet to consider and defer to experts when the situation calls for expertise that a manager does not possess. USec. Puno has been honest and candid enough to admit that he was not yet trained in hostage rescue and negotiations. He therefore made what seemed to be the best available decision at the time: deferring to the expertise of Manila Mayor Lim, a veteran on law enforcement and a former Philippine Constabulary general; the expertise of MPD Chief Gen. Magtibay and NCRPO Chief Santiago, decades-long veteran police generals; and Col. Yebra, a trained and veteran hostage negotiator who successfully resolved 9 out of the 9 past situations he has handled. Despite the outcome, the decision was made in good faith.
2. The management of the hostage situation was still at the level of the local POC and CMC, since the DILG Secretary has not convened the NPOC and activated the national CMC yet. Per Memorandum Order 121 of 2000, the only official role therefore of Puno as the DILG USec. for Peace and Order is to render assistance to the local “CMC according to their mandates and expertise at all stages of the crisis.” Puno therefore did not have a legally justifiable basis for intervening in the strategy taken by the local CMC. Only the national CMC could have done so.
E. The initial recommendations of the IIRC to file criminal and administrative charges on the 12 officials and media personnel should be taken at face value.
This is false and unfair for several reasons.
1. It should be put on the record that the DILG Secretary and the DOJ Secretary are members of the NPOC and Cabinet Cluster E which comprise the national CMC. These are the highest bodies tasked to respond to peace and order problems and security concerns, with a mandate to take over the local POC and CMC if the situation escalates into a national security concern. The conflict of interest is very clear here. These same officials also comprise the IIRC, thus allowing them to investigate an incident which technicality, should also have been their responsibility. Shouldn’t Sec. Robredo be held liable for not activating the national CMC and leaving the local CMC and the PNP on their own? It should be asked, is he justified in acquitting himself of liability?
Ellen,
Bravo for getting on to this early — that way, if some people in Malacanang get to see your post, they will think twice, hopefully three times and more, before they “downgrade” the recommendations of the only member of Aquino’s govt with balls… DoJ de Lima.
Really happy to be part of Ellenville and to be a member of the fearless investigative journalist in the country!
Give them hell, Ellen! I’m sure Puno is already sweating like a pig at the thought that you won’t let go of him easily!!! And yes, time to take Lim to the slaughterhouse too for criminal neglect!
Down with these clowns.
C’mon Mr Aquino! Shape up for goodness sake. Let go of these jerks. You don’t need them. They will sink your presidency!!!
PNoy keeps on saying the presidential legal panel adopted the IIRC recommendations. Which ones did he not adopt? I hope not the ones mentioned in the article above.
This is another major test for Aquino. As serious as the hostage-taking itself.
If that were really true, Pnoy shouldn’t have formed the IIRC in the first place; he should just have dealt with it himself.
It was a waste of time and effort for the De Lima and the members, as well as an insult to them and an affront to the people.
Please tell me that my following apprehension is not true:
1. That Puno, because he is saying he is a victim of the jueteng, will be cleared from accountability in the hostage fiasco, and because he is clean, will be appointed as DILG Secretary.
2. That Robredo, will be solely blamed on the tragic result of the hostage drama as claimed by Puno, will be fired by PNoy.
3. That DOJ Secretary De Lima, smarting from the decision of PNoy to ignore most of the IIRC’s recommendation, will resign.
If my apprehension turned out to be true, I will tender my irrevocable resignation as a boss of PNoy.
Goes only to show that wang-wang is purely rhetorics and no sound at all. Matuwid na daan is leading us straight to the Road to Perdition.
Pag nangyari nga ang sinasabi nitong #4 (sleepless…)…tiyak madaling makalbo ( tulad ni Pnoy ), ang pasensya ng Tao, na malaon ng nagtitimpi ng kabiguan, at kawalang tiwala sa mga namumuno sa gobyerno..ang mga nagtitimpi ng Kabiguan:
1. Biktima sa Hostage Taking.
2. Biktima ng Jueting at Drugs, etc..
3. Kabiguan ng IIRC, pag-sinabon ng puti, sa Palasyo..
4. Dumadaming krimen sa bansa, sa halip na mabawasan..
5. Kabiguan sa 100-days honeymoon, ng sinyales ng pagbabago.
6. Nawawala-lumalambot na ” Truth Commission “…
7. Uma-alma na, at dumadaming, di naniniwala sa sinabi ni Pnoy na, ” BOSS ” niya ang Pilipino ( boss niya pala si Puno at Verzosa, etc…)..
8. Mga biktimang OFW’s, sa kulungan, halos parang di Tao ang kalagayan o tratuhin…
9. Bumababang $ values, na siyang pag-asa ng mga OFW’s at
kapa-kanan ng kanilang mga pamilya…
10. Pumapalag na CBCP tungkol sa Pro-Life, at Batas sa kalayaan ng ” abortion “…
Ang mga sampo sa itaas ay mga sinyales, na dapat pag-tuonan ng pansin, ng mga ” naka-maskarang bagong pamunuan ng Bansa “…Dapat mag-paka-totoo sila, at di sumabog sa mukha nila ang kanilang sinasabi ( laway )…
It looks like GMA’s PR troubleshooters now work for Pnoy as well.
Palalabasin pang Bayani si Puno niyan.
So after more than two weeks of hard study, the Malacanan review of the IIRC report will finally come out on Wednesday. Quoting from the Philippine Star:
——start quote —–
The President wants an airtight case once indictments are made in connection with the hostage incident on Aug. 23 at the Quirino Grandstand in Manila.
“Most of it (the recommendations) was adopted, but there were also a lot wherein when you get into the actual implementation, it was lacking on the laws that would penalize certain actions or omissions,” the President said.
——end quote——
Notice Aquino’s use of “indictment”. Indictment is charging someone of a criminal offense and serves as a starting point for a trial of the accused in a court of law. But hang on, I can’t see a reason why Puno can be indicted. He did not commit a criminal act, only negligent of his duties. I might be wrong about what Indictment means, or did Aquino mumbled the word out of his ass again?
– sleeplessinmontreal
Nice one. But isn’t the boss the one who fires the subordinate instead?
BTW, is this the same California-based Mark Estreller who comments regularly on Cocoy’s “Politically Incorrect” blog over at Ning network?
So, it was and still is all authority for Puno and Verzosa but without responsibility. Lucky people these two.
The IIRC creation is only for show of Penoy govt. It was only to appease the Hongkong people, not for Filipino consumption. The outcome of the investigation by the IIRC may be believable, but the intention of the creator wasn’t so pure, just remember the laughing face of Penoy. Hindi raw siya makapal, eh ano toh?
this “ego-boosting” and “enhancement” job commissioned by Puno is a typical Filipino attitude. Obviously, the message is EVERYBODY IS AT FAULT EXCEPT ME!!!
Magkano kaya ang kinita ng PR group na binayaran ni Puno. Ang masama malamang kesa hindi sa Kaban ng DILG dinukot ito at hindi sa bulsa ni Puno. Talk of a clean government. Huhuhu haaaay buhay.
Puno and Veroza cleared, Lim neglect of duty only. Tuluyan ng lumiko ang daan ni Noynoy!
If PNoy will not uphold recommendations of the IRRC, de Lima has no choice but to resign. For her to continue serving under a spineless president is useless, she has balls while the big boss has none! Ano, pang-deodorant lang sya?!
Wala bang nakakapansin sa inyo na ang profile ni Puno ay mukha ni Gloria, este kamukha pala?! Male version sya ni putot!
well, thats the way the ball bounces…
a logical way of measuring would be to benchmark against past 100 days performances with parameters, how about comparing with Arroyo’s?
…don’t get too neurotic forcing the realities of government to conform to your expectations guys, bottomline, its our individual successes that counts…government? if its good or bad, at least it should be tolerable…life goes on…nobody got oppressed yet right? no arbitrary incarceration? no missing people? not so bad… 🙂
OFF TOPIC:
Yes, it is true. Cebu Pacific flight attendants are on fire on YouTube. Yesterday when I learned about it, it was already at 3 Million viewers, now they are at 4.5 Million.
Amazing indeed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lqh8e2KYIrU&feature=aso
Mark Estreller is unwittingly, if indirectly, damning PNoy. Go to the heart of the letter: it admits that there was indeed confusion owing to the halving of the DILG, albeit, Estreller is arguing that Robredo was the one confused and not Puno. Of course, Robredo would argue otherwise, but if we go by his appointment with the IIRC, was not PNoy himself absolving Robredo? Yet who halved the DILG on the first place?
In organizations, confusion breeds confusion and profusely at that as it flows down to the ground. The hostage crisis was just a manifestation of all those chaotic arrangements upstairs.
Problem here for PNoy is will he let Lim and Puno take the fall. Lim for one might just rat to the public the real whereabouts of Pnoy all throughout the crisis. Lim surely knows the Aquinos owes him. Puno, in defending himself might sing a tune not in harmony with PNoy’s. This looks like and sinkhole.
observer,
is this true? i’m changing planes, never mind the miles…
re hostage crisis, its a well known fact that in cases like these – the ground commander gets reprimanded (worst case scenario sacked) and the swat team involved goes for retraining…
…why do it differently? its been like this for the longest time? and whats the worst thing that can happen if the IIRC recommendations aren’t followed? as long as the international incident was managed and resolved…
…a lot of noise won’t make a difference anyway…what else is new? deal with it…
This looks like and sinkhole.
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If we survived Gloria Arroyo’s plundering and the Ampatuan massacre (almost forgotten) – this is less than peanuts…not worth getting riled up for anything at all…
re jueteng issue from Cruz…
the retired bishop is off his rockers, the list is trash if you ask me…
…ask him if some church officials are on the take, he’ll say “yes” and when prodded to name them, he’ll say “they are known to us”…
…the government is held accountable, but the catholic church (CBCP) when asked for the same – tells us we can go to hell!
my bet…and i do believe i will win…
the ground commander gets sacked, the swat team goes for retraining…full stop…
…deal with it, thats reality…
I think the most apt charge for all of them is CRIMINAL STUPIDITY!
Hindi na pala talagang maganda na kumuha ng Criminology ngayon di tulad noon.
Pag nagtapos ang isang hunghang sa kursong iyan, kriminal na siya, estupido pa!
You have lousy government officials because people aren’t exactly tough with them. Most of the time they get away with “bloody murder” because people are lenient with them.
If I were lenient with my team, I’d be unceremoniously kicked out by the big boss.
Pinoys should exact professionalism and high level of performance of those serving in govt; there should be no excuse. Until you do that, Pinas would be faced with subststandard governance.
I’d like to read the review of the review.
I met Ed de Mesa (Presidential Legal Adviser) in 1984, and spoke to him many times while he prepared for the bar. On one or two occasions, he was present in our drinking/discussion group. I have never seen any written work of his, and would like to compare his written work with my earlier impression of his intellectual caliber.
We can compare this with the earlier EO’s. Marahil naman ay tapos na ang OJT, and the birth pangs have subsided. Let the events unfold. Then we will know if the President has a good team or a lousy one; and if the President is wise enough to heed the good advice, and discard the bad one.
Which is the good advice, and which the bad one? De Lima or De Mesa? Para sa Pangulo, that is the dilemma, sa ibabaw ng mesa.
Your move Mr. President.
From Romy Solina:
I’ve been following the 23 August hostage case, and the focus of the investigations was the situation itself and how the various government and media agencies contributed to its peaceful settlement.
I find it surprising that very little effort was made to find out why the hostage situation happened in the first place. As far as I am concerned, the root cause of the incident is the way the Ombudsman handled the case of PNP Captain Mendoza. If I understood it, Mendoza had asked for a review of his case several times, but his request had been ignored for several months. There was even an incident during his phone conversation with an Ombudsman official when Mendoza was irate and mentioned having been demanded several thousand pesos for something (the review of his case?). And being a policeman, Mendoza realized, too late, that even if he were reinstated as he demanded he will still be dismissed and even jailed for committing the crime of hostaging.
And yet, the IIRC seems to have nothing to say about the “injustice of delayed justice” committed by the Ombudsman. I am not saying Mendoza is innocent of the “hulidap” charges against him, but the judicial review that was apparently ignored for several months was the proximate reason and cause for his resorting to hostaging foreign tourists.
I am not a lawyer, but I think a number of crimes are being committed because of delayed justice.
Number 9 and 10 of the IIRC recommendations pertain to Ombudsman Gutierrez and Commissioner Gonzales:
The suspense on malakanyang’s review of the IIRC report tastes stale. If the malakanyang review would show improvements on the IIRC report then so far so good. If the review downgrades some or all the IIRC recommendations, then PNoy should fire his DOJ and DILG secretaries who he has designated as IIRC members.
I did not expect PNoy to effect significant reforms or progress in governance and prosecution of his predecessor’s foibles in his first 100 days. All I wanted to see is that he does his job decisively and competently. As it is, PNoy himself has displayed indecisiveness and incompetence. When he admitted responsibility for the the failed Aug23 hostage taking incident, I thought he was being insincere and naive. It appears he was just humoring us, the public.
So far, as I see it he has failed us. But I for one still would like to see him make it. The thing is his style of governance looks wishy-washy. And this does not bode well for the future.
Nagtatanong lang po:
– Wa hapen sa Trot Konsumisyon? Wa balita?
# 29
Puro daldal lang, namaos. That should be called the Throat Commission.
guys, you’re looking at it from a different paradigm – you expect the leader of a country to follow us? how many are we really? are we a strong interest group to start with? what can we offer? no leader in the world will succumb to nagging of a few, and if the president did, he’ll be open to worst criticisms…deciding not to follow the IRRC recommendations is decisive in itself, unpopular with some but still a show of strength…on the contrary, its not wishy washy at all – its in your face “this is what i want so fuck off i’m the president and there’s nothing you losers can do about it!”
…as i said, don’t get too neurotic trying to force other people (especially powerful ones) to conform to your expectations – what did you expect, a pushover?
…if we were an organized, well funded, influential, interest group, it could have been different…we’d be lobbyists…
…so deal with it…chill…
I’m keeping my word. I will give PNoy his first 100 days and come out with my analysis on day 101.
As long as the final word on the IIRC recommendations are not yet published officially, I will give him the benefit of the doubt.
…or you can join Gloria, her congressmen, some bishops, and some people during the threatened civil disobedience later…beat yourselves up! 🙁
rE # 9, Tongue, if my memory serves me right, this is the first time that Mark Estreller wrote me.
I don’t know his background.
I’m not sure if it’s his first time to write you, Ellen. But he’s also commente here on the death of Ted Kennedy (ellentordesillas.com/?p=6877) and I come across his name in some other online topics especially those about Biliran.
Maybe true blu or chi knows him.
Nag-hibernate na ang Truth Commission dahil malamig na ang panahon. Hapi-hapi si Gloria Arroyo at mayroon na siyang kakamping obispos.
Hindi ko kilala, Tongue. I emailed Cocoy nga wala pang reply, busy sa hatid-sundo-luto sa mga anak. 🙂
Ang alam ko, yang Center for Good Governance na yan, isang Google Group (forum) lang yan. No clout whatsoever. Nothing to be worried about. Pasalamat sila nabasa sila dahil kay Ellen.
I checked my email, Mark Estreller has written me several times on various topics: PNP’s Hawaii 5-0, Ivler, etc. I’m sorry.
Re Citizens for Good Governance and Public Accountability, I saw that some papers used their press release .I didn’t.
@juggernaut – October 4, 2010 11:35 pm
You’ve just described the Philippines and why the Philippines and Pinoys are in a rut, why you have generally excecrable living conditions in the country, why you have pathetic and incredibly poor and corrupt governance… it is because people who are expected to think better since they are educated, have access to how things are done elsewhere and who are expected to espouse moral values, say the things you say. Overall, it’s why the country would always be third world, under-developed country and why there are many Filipinos who feel and express shame about their being Filipinos vis a vis the Chinese!!!
Think about it!
# 38
chi:
That is what you call house arrest.
with regards to Puno, President Aquino can keep him as a shooting buddy, but he does not need him in Government..there are many others who can do the job without putting his administration in jeopardy…or he can change his mind and layoff target shooting for a while until he finish sweeping the dirt in the government. that is quite an enormous undertaking.
I wont be surprised if another Puno is behind that PR outfit.
Di ko kilala itong si Mark Estreller personally, All I can say is that he’s a brilliant person. Although I have the same Mark Estreller on my site, I don’t know if he’s the same person . And in respect to his privacy I could not reveal more on his identity. Kaya no comment ako sa pagkatao niya.
Medyo naging abala sa full-time job ko na family driver dito sa bahay lalo na ngayong pasukan na ng mga eskwela,kaya ang odometer ng sasakyan ko ay almost 3,000 miles a month, then may part-time pa ako dito sa bahay na cook,dishwasher,vacuum,washing machine and dryer operator. Pero pag may time ako nagbabasa ako ng mga comment ninyo dito sa Ellenville.
Mainit ang naging talakayan dito from hostaages taking at Jueting pero unti-unti na yatang binabalot ng condom ang issue.
Iyung hostages taking ay trabaho ng kapulisan iyun, they’re trained to handle the situation. Pumalpak kaya umabot sa sisihan.Nagkataon lang na mayroong tinupak at nang hostages na hindi pala handa ang kapulisan na resolbahin. I
Iyun namang Jueting,madali ipahinto iyan kung talagang gusto ng mga Mayor at Gobernador sa kanilang nasasakupan.
Ito namang RH bills, kung gusto nila magplano ng pamilya bakit tinutulan ng simbahan? Hindi naman abortion iyan, ano ang iaabort kung naka condom? Kung nabutas ang condom baka sakaling may abortion after 3 mos.
Susustentuhan ba sila ng simbahan kung maraming anak ang mga mahihirap na pamilya? Mahirap ang magkaanak, maraming gastos, pagbubuntis pa lang ay umpisa na ang gastos sa pre-natal care. Tapos susustentuhan mo iyan hangang sa makatapos sila ng pag-aaral.saka ka lang makahinga ng maluwag kung may mga trabaho na sila at hindi na manghihingi ng pera sa iyo. Kung kakaunti lang kayo sa pamilya,marami kayong kakainin, kung marami kayo sa pamilya kokonti ang ang iyung kakainin. Ako nga tatlo lang itong anak ko ay parang sampung katao na ang gastos ko. Kung naging sampu sila baka hindi na sila makatikim ng Goldilocks at mabilhan ng mga gusto nila.
Kaya nasa may pamilya na iyun kung ano ang pipiliin nila at di na sila saklaw ng simbahan palagay ko kung ano ang plano nila.
Mukhang nakawala ka sandali sa mga alaga mo ha, Cocoy? 🙂
Oo nga Chi, ito babaybayin na naman ang freeway tapos sa ganitong oras gridlock na ngayon.Maswerte kung makakapatakbo ka ng 45mph sa 405. Pag mag side street ka naman bawat dalawang daang metro ay may stoplight,magastos sa gasolina kasi umaandar ang makina ng hindi umuusad.$ 3.15 ang isang gallon.Kung mag hire ka naman ng Family driver,babayaran mo iyan ng more than minimum wage,plus health insurance and workers comp then, times and a half pag may overtime.Buti pa sa Pinas kahit ordinaryong pulis ka lang ay mayroon ka ng maid at houseboy,isang pito lang iyan may pansweldo na sila sa kasambahay nila.
Ordinaryong pulis sa Pinas meron pang number 2, Cocoy. Kaya yata ayaw bumitiw ni Puno as DILG usec for kapulisan dahil ka daming benefits.
Saxnviolins,
Quick question (no time to google now):
What is good faith (or qualified?) immunity and when can it be applied?
You’ve just described the Philippines and why the Philippines and Pinoys are in a rut, why you have generally excecrable living conditions in the country, why you have pathetic and incredibly poor and corrupt governance…
– Anna
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thats because i found out the hard way that its a lot better to work with city hall than to fight it…there are other venues where we can contribute to the betterment of the country without flagellating anyone…small, but otherwise, constant steps…
we are in a rut not because we’ve been remiss in demanding for accountability from our government, as a matter of fact we’ve probably overdone it, administration after administration that we sound like a broken record that most politicians just dismiss as ambient noise…maybe its time to look for more proactive alternatives…ones that constitute more action, more direct intervention, more concrete, and a bit less confrontational…
we are in a rut not just because of government…its more like a family with too many mouths to feed, to send to school, to dress, to provide medicine, nurturing – and there isn’t much to go around as the father is working as a jeepney driver and the mother is washing clothes for a living…where do we get the resources to feed, to clothe, to care for everybody? can the government do this alone?
i don’t think any government in the world does this, except maybe some welfare states?
i remember an experiment with laboratory rats, when given ideal conditions but controlled population vis-a-vis food, water, space, seemed to behave peacefully…but conditions changed rapidly when the population remained unchecked, there came a point when they were biting, fighting, generally killing each other for the resources that suddenly became too scarce…
it is wrong to blame other entities for our lot in life, we have to take responsibility for ourselves, roll up our sleeves, and work together to improve our lot in life…blaming the government for everything will not do any good at all…the reactions that we can control are our own, the criticisms, advise, demands for accountability, etc., that have any possibility of being followed are our own…maybe, if we stopped looking at others to change we started to change ourselves first, individually responsible for individual change, for individual productivity, the results would be different? its worth a try, we haven’t done it before, but we’ve done this going after the government for too many years and we’re still not happy about what we have.
of course, we can see so many difference with developed countries, but look at their history, they are marred by so many challenges before they reached that stage…most of them are old, old, civilizations, to start with…
…if we wanted the shortest route, we could have followed what Singapore did but we cling to democracy like there is no tomorrow…we love our freedom of speech, we love to freely demand accountability from our government, we love our freedom to blame others for our lot in life…
…maybe its time we demand accountability, productivity, justice, generosity, compassion, and excellence – from ourselves this time around?
Jug, you wrote:
“…deciding not to follow the IRRC recommendations is decisive in itself, unpopular with some but still a show of strength…on the contrary, its not wishy washy at all – its in your face “this is what i want so fuck off i’m the president and there’s nothing you losers can do about it!”
I agree with you. The President should just do it, as Nike would advise. Just fuckin do it Mr. President.
As for the consequences, well, that’s when our turn to say, “deal with it, Mr. President, or you can beat yourself up”.
on your comment #50,that’s cool. But GMA fans would be crowing, wouldn’t it be nice if Jug had that frame of mind when our beloved GMA was at the helm. Since when did you change your mind?
And oh by the way, has anyone ever wondered whatever happened to SWS and Pulse Asia?
baycas # 49
A public official performing a discretionary function enjoys qualified immunity in a civil action for damages, provided his or her conduct does not violate clearly established federal statutory or constitutional rights of which a reasonable person would have known. Harlow v. Fitzgerald, 457
U.S. 800, 818 (1982).
The immunity is “immunity from suit rather than a mere defense to liability.”
Mitchell v. Forsyth, 472 U.S. 511, 526 (1985).
Civil yan, not administrative. In other words, puwede pa ring sibakin.
I see what you are developing. If there is no civil liability, there certainly can be no criminal liability.
I think you should offer your services to the officials. I’m sure jueteng money would be a good source of attorney’s fees.
Re on #50
Jug-The Failure of the Government is a failure of entire country and its citizen.
First of all the government is there to protect its people and natural resources for its welfare and consumption. The government is there to implement the laws for its protection, Legislature are there to crafts laws,–It’s our government job to do something for the common goods of the people.
Philippines is one of the worlds richest countries but under all these supplies is a great poverty among all the Filipino people.
The main reason being accepted is that of corruption, lack of trust to country’s people, giving what is ours to others. The government supports or gives the natural resources of the Philippines to the other countries, such as the government allowing other countries to farm on the country’s resources, thus lacking the resources which is to be given to the local workers. Another reason is the lack of local support to the local worker’s of the Philippines, Philippines has the most least payed local laborers, more priority is given to foreign investors and laborers.
Young poor people are growing up without opportunities, information and services they need to reach, Every high school senior wants to go to college. However, not all of them can pursue a college degree because it costs a fortune to pay for college education. It’s not only the tuition students worry about, but also other needs such as books, housing, clothes and everyday expenses. Because of this, poor students doesn’t have nothing to rely in financing their education. and support their needs..Why? The government don’t invest to educate our youth.— politicians are controlling it. Rather than give them money on education financial aids, they took the money for their pork barrel at Pa-skolar na ni Congressman. Then, there is Palakasan system. If they don’t support them on the last election, no chance for their children to be a candidate on the scholarship.
I believe it’s not to late. If Pnoy is sincere na maiahon ang next generation sa kahirapan. The most important step to be taken, in this regard, is revision and revival of youth policy which must be to aspire to create situations whereby youth stand educated, employed and free from drug abuse, frustration, parochialism, sectarianism and other numerous evils which have jolted the foundations of our society like involvement of youth in politics, terrorism and lawlessness. We have to prepare our youth to face the challenges of the time with unshakable courage and youthful confidence.
Pnoy government’s focus remains to enhance infrastructure and skills development among the youths as a tool to fight the shackles of poverty.I believe Pnoy (Sana nga) have an opportunity to turn our very large and very young people into a productive asset. That could contribute significantly to the economic growth and poverty alleviation.
THERE IS STILL HOPE. Hindi sigarilyo,Ha!
Sabi nga nila ang kabataan ay pag-asa ng bayan. Huwag niyo lang babaguhin ang ending ng “Lupang Hinirang”
ricelander,
i changed my frame of mind during the elections, when i decided to support the duly elected president – whoever he is…and when noynoy won, even ellen here said that she didn’t expect much either…the only thing i prayed for and asked was to see my friends released from what i believed was arbitrary detention and be given the chance to get back to the service…yun lang, and i got it…
…i have decided to work with my government for a change, to seek other methods of persuasion to advance my cause (instead of demanding for it)…bottomline, to work with, instead of “work against,” you have to realize that confrontational approaches only beget defensive reactions…but cooperative approaches beget favorable responses…
cocoy,
ever since Noynoy took a position that “corruption” is the root of all evil, i didn’t buy whole caboodle one bit…
i still believe that we are under the mercy of the laws of economics, “supply and demand” even if we look at the country on a per capita basis, there’s still not much to go around…our rate of productivity could not keep up with the needs of an uncontrolled population growth…
…i too believe that there is still hope, but i don’t put much stock on government, i don’t expect our politicians to suddenly have a eureka moment and turn righteous in this generation, and i don’t want to encourage people to wait for the government to provide welfare to the people…we barely have the funds to keep it running without borrowing money…i do not want our youth to waste their time waiting for government aid to come or wait for someone else to help them out…its when we have too much expectations from other people that we get disappointed…
i hope that we will realize that eventually the only ones who can help us is ourselves – and we need to finally pull ourselves with our bootstraps and get out of this very challenging situation we are in…
…i just realized when i went outside that its not all “that bad” its still a beautiful country and the filipinos are still beautiful people (looking foreward to that Cebu Pacific flight)…i remember the song “always look at the bright side of life…”
its probably better if we focus our enegies on something literally constructive, to do something concrete…other than just airing out what we don’ like, what we don’t want…
…why don’t we ask ourselves what we really want and work for it?
Thanks, snv.
Hahaha…naniniguro lang na walang lusot ang mga may sala.
Nabasa ko kasi ang “good faith” sa sulat ni Mark Estreller. Baka gamitin pa ni Puno ang “immunity.” Mahirap na. Kailangang salagin na kaagad baka makaalpas pa!
Sa kaunting alam ko d’yan sa “immunity” mukhang ‘di naman applicable…
Kung itong si Puno eh dapat managot, Pnoy should not keep shielding him. Nakakaduda tuloy kung ano ba talaga ang “utang na loob” ni Pnoy sa kanya at mukhang “sacred cow” ang isang ito!
I’m not convince sa recommendation ng IIRC na ang daming kakasuhan.Una trabaho ng kapulisan iyan.Bakit ang daming Herodes na sangkot.
Sa hostage situation ang kailangan lang diyan ay Team Leader,Primary Negotiator, Secondary Negotiator and Intelligence Officer. Last option iyung Tactical assault. Ang unang may kasalanan diyan ay ang Ombudsman na hindi nila ibinigay ang hiling ng HT. Hindi nila ginamit ang kukute nila during that time in the matter of life and death.
Ewan ko lang kasi karamihang napapanood ko sa TV at Movies in hostage situation– is to give the HT everything he gets by extracting a concession in return.without unduly agitating the HT and triggering a violent confrontation.Walang kasalanan si Col.Yebra diyan. Ginawa niya ang trabaho niya kaso hindi ibinigay ng Ombudsman ang hiling niya,Bakit siya kakasuhan? Bakit kakasuhan si Rico Puno atLim? Mga bystander lang sila. Ang may malaking responsibilidad diya ay ang Ground commander na si Gen.Magtibay.He’s incompetence sa trabaho niya,He let it get out out his hands ang situation. Iyun ang number one na kakasuhan,Ang Ombudsman at iyung deputy na nangingikil ng 150,000. At iyung kapatid ni Mendoza na overacting ang drama,Una pulis siya at alam niya ang kahinatnan ng pagdadrama niya na maging mitsa ng pag alburuto ni Mendoza.
Kaya para sa akin.
Ang kakasuhan diyan:
1) Ombudsman
2) Deputy Ombudsman (kikil)
3)Gen.Magtibay -ang ground commander
4) Famas acting awardee-(the brother of Mendoza)
Sina Puno,Lim,Isko Moreno ay hindi kasali sa papel ng hostages crisis kahit nandoon sila dahil hindi sila police. Baka nandoon lang sila to monitor the situation kaya kahit kasuhan sila ay makakalusot.Mahina lang kasi si Gen,Magtibay na kaya niyang ipagtabuyan ang mga iyan dahil siya ang ground commander at kung ano man ang kapalpakan ulo niya ang gugulong.Hindi nanindigan si Gen.Magtibay na siya ang boss sa scence on that time.
Lusot din si Col.Yebra diyan.Ang argumento niya,ginawa ko ang lahat ng trabaho ko,kaso hindi napagbigyan ang hiling ng HT.galing sa nakakataas sa akin. Anong ikakaso sa kanya?
Recommendation lang naman iyang IIRC.for final review.
Kaya nga ng nagutom si Mayor Lim pumunta na siya sa resto para kumain dahil alam niyang may ground commander na in charged sa situation.Kung sumunod si Magtibay sa kanya para kumain din,kasalanan na ni Magtibay iyun–Dereliction of duty.Iniwanan niya ang responsibilidad niya.
i don’t know your background cocoy but what you just posted is exactly what friends told me before…these guys are seasoned soldiers, sharpshooters, bad asses, been to hell and back types and very good at what they do…not one of them condemns any of the swat team involved no matter how comical it looked like on tv, they say things like this happen, pag minamalas…no matter how prepared you are…of course i was told that the ground commander will take the heat and they’re pretty sure magtibay knows this and has accepted it already…
Jug, must be time to ask for de Lima’s head then, don’t you think, for undermining the President’ government?
I agree with you. The President should just do it, as Nike would advise. Just fuckin do it Mr. President.
As for the consequences, well, that’s when our turn to say, “deal with it, Mr. President, or you can beat yourself up”. -ricelander
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I would like to see how PNoy beats up himself. 🙂
Hindi nanindigan si Gen.Magtibay na siya ang boss sa scence on that time.-Cocoy
Agree! Pero alam mo naman sa Pinas, kahit wala sa PNP kung ang nasa itaas na nakikialam ay mayor, sec, usec, assec…at kung sino-sino pang ‘sick’ na under sa executive ay syang nasusunod. Tingin ko ay natuliro si Gen. Magtibay sa dami ng bossings na nag-uutos habang kumakain at nagmimiron lang sa paligid.
THERE IS STILL HOPE. Hindi sigarilyo,Ha!
Sabi nga nila ang kabataan ay pag-asa ng bayan. Huwag niyo lang babaguhin ang ending ng “Lupang Hinirang” -cocoy
‘coy, sabi ni yuko ay dapat raw palitan yan ng song na “Ako ay Pilipino”. 🙂
O hala, pagbutihin mo ang pagluluto at driving sa mga young ones mo dahil sila ay bahagi ng bukas, balik ka lang ule kapag tinawag ka namin ni Tongue. 🙂
Let me ask it again, just maybe to prod Ma’am Ellen or anybody to go seek their headquarters and interview their people, whatever the hell happened to SWS and Pulse Asia?
If the two survey outfits are just waiting for sometime for Noynoy to recover ratings before they show some signs of life, forget it. Fold up. Show up in 2016.
cocoy – October 5, 2010 2:46 pm
Agree cocoy 101%!!!
Prov. 12:19 Truthful lips endure forever, but a lying tongue lasts only a moment.
“i don’t want to encourage people to wait for the government to provide welfare to the people” – jug
Jug, I’m with you but that’s precisely what Noynoy’s government intends to do, to shower money to the poor (a shade of election gimmick?) that’s why the bloated the budget of DSWD.
Naku marami na naman ang maaalta presyon nito. 😛
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingnews/nation/view/20101006-296315/Aquinos-rating-sky-high-despite-hostage-fallout
Totoo. If I were his staff maalta presyon ako.
Read beyond the headlines. Seventy one percent are satisfied, with eleven percent unimpressed.
Galing siya sa 85 percent, which is a fourteen point drop. Kung sino man ang kanyang Freddie Roach, it is time to take stock.
abs-cbnnews.com/nation/09/09/10/pollster-expects-pnoy%E2%80%99s-rating-drop
Boss. Nabawasan tayo ng points. Kailangang dumami ang suntok na kumo-connect.
Cuidado sa surveys, lalo’t tapos na ang elections. That serves no purpose in helping the President govern. Bush had 90% after 9/11. Pinulot sa 24% dahil lumaki ang ulo, at kabi-kabila ang sablay.
Harry Truman had 28 percent in 1951, around the time of the Korean War. But he has been ranked by historians as in the top five of US Presidents.
Ingat sa flattery. As Machiavelli says:
Malacanang media advisory:
My source PNoy is not willing to punish Puno and Verzosa. His review panel wants to include Robredo among those to be charged if Puno and Verzosa are charged.
Problem is they don’t know how to defend their decision. Naghahanap pa yata ng damage control operators to help them when theyn release their decision.
“Naku marami na naman ang maaalta presyon nito. 😛
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingnews/nation/view/20101006-296315/Aquinos-rating-sky-high-despite-hostage-fallout”
One month after.
Genius.
SWS, one month after? For how much? Oops! One month was your max?
OK I’m kidding.
I thought you folded up, see? It was kind of regular to hear from you, guys, then it kind of stopped, like something snapped and you died of heart attack LOL!
– “He described Puno as his “headhunter” for his security.”
– “He said Puno, an agriculture graduate who sold guns to
the military, trained the members of his mother’s
Presidential Security Group in shooting.”
Hehehehe … marami palang koneksiyon ito. Kaya hindi kataka-takang maging Ninong ng mga weteng lord.
Pareng Henry, alam mo naman na sa amerika … yang mga hostage drama ay walang paki-alam ang Pangulo at maski na mga lokal opisyal …. kapulisan ang may say dito. Dito lang sa atin ang maraming gago at pakialamero na mga opisyal na dapat ipa-ubaya na lang sa kapulisan.
Kaya yang grado ni Pnoy ay oks lang … depende na lang kung anong gagawin niya dito sa desisyon ng IIRC at lalo na sa Jueteng isyu.
Sabi nga ni Among Panlilio …. kung gusto naman talagang itigil ni Pnoy ang Jueteng … isang kumpas lang niya ay tapos. Pero ayaw niya o hindi niya gagawin …. bakit kaya???????? Dahil po kahit hindi niya kailangan ng datung … yang mga alalay niya gaya ni Puno ay naglalaway sa datung. At yan ang katotohanan …. wala rin siyang pinag-iba. Aksiyon ang hinahanap ng mga tao hindi puro dada.
Tedanz:
Mali. Kahit gusto ni PNoy kung ayaw nang mga lokal na namumuno, tigil yan. Ang tanong, gusto ba namang itigil ng mga Mayor o Gobernador? Remember na sa jueteng nila kinukuha yung itinutulong nila sa mga araw-araw na pumipila sa labas ng mga bahay nila nang naghihingi ng abuloy, pagpapagamot at kung ano-ano pa. Hirap no? lol
Sa mga surveys naman. Depende sa issue yan. Kung papalpak ka sa isang issue, expect na babagsak ka sa surveys. Kung maganda ang nagawa mo ngayon, makakabawi ka sa susunod na survey. Ganun lang yan. Kaya yung mga nananalangin na pumalpak si PNoy, do not be too optimistic. Mas marami rin kasi ang nananalangin na di sya pumalpak. Ganyan lang ang buhay. Kimkimin nyo na lang ang sama ng loob nyo ng anim na taon pa. Nakaraos nga kayo ng 9 na taon kay Gloria eh. hehehe. 😛
#74 Ellen
Problem is they don’t know how to defend their decision. Naghahanap pa yata ng damage control operators to help them when theyn release their decision.
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Meron nang sandalan, Ellen, inilabas na ang SWS 71% high approval rating bago prior to PNoy’s announcement of his own recommendations. Tiningnan muna kung hanggang saan pa ang ibaba sa susunod. 🙂
@47: Wassup Pareng Coy! Your blog seem to be Viagra Lounge
nowadays; hehe…well, nice to know you’re alive and kicking!
Just arrived from the bay area, and premium gas (which i use) was 3.45 around san francisco and 3.35 on interstate 5 and hwy 58. You can still crank it up to over 100mph on these two roads, nightime that is…wink wink.
“Kimkimin nyo na lang ang sama ng loob nyo ng anim na taon pa. Nakaraos nga kayo ng 9 na taon kay Gloria eh. hehehe.” — Henry90
Ano pa Adre kundi kimkimin na lang. Mula’t sapul pa naman alam ko na talaga ang mangyayari dito sa rehimeng ito. Buti na lang hindi si Aquino ang ibinoto ko ….. puweeeee!!!!
Pareng Trueblu,
You can break the record driving 100mph at Grapevine.Hehehe!
Me, every mile I drive equals a mile pain due to my cervical disc ruptured.Strong prescription of 500mg pain medication keep me going.I’m trying to avoid the titanium discs which the ortho drs want to implant on my neck.
9 years kayong nagtiis kay Gloria,ngayon kay Pnoy 103 days reklamo pa rin kayo..
Kaya nga nagpapasalamat si Rico Puno kanina sa Win na Win dahil inabot na raw siya ng tatlong araw.Baka bukas tigok na siya kay Laguardia,muntikan na siyang na strike one kanina.
Chi,
Masasarap ang luto ng Pinoy Resto dito,kaya lang ang dami nila dito sa lugar ko.tres singkwenta ang isang tuhog ng pork at chicken barbeque,tapos doon sa kabilang resto 100 meters apart uno singkwenta,parehong Pinoy ang may ari niyan,kaya saan ka mamimili? Di doon na lang sa uno singkwenta,dagdagan mo na lang ng oyster sauce para maging tres singkwenta ang lasa.
Kung pandesal naman uno singkwenta ang isang dosena.Kaya nga tinawag na hot pandesal kasi pag lumamig na gamitan mo na ng chainsaw para malagyan ng mantikilya.
Tama ka riyan Tedanz, iyung hostage scenario ay trabaho ng kapulisan at behind yellow line ang mga pulitiko o sino mang Pontio Pilato. Diyan sa atin ang daming miron at nakikisasaw.
Iyang Jueting nasa kamay ng Gobernador at Mayor iyan kahit gugustuhin man ng Presidenti na ipahinto ay di niya kaya.Saan naman kukuha si Mayor ng pera na ibigay sa pumipila sa kanila nanghihingi ng tulong. Pati pa birthday ng mga anak nila ay hinihingi pa sa mayor. Ang maganda diyan tutal hindi nila mapahinto gawin na lang ng legal at ang Mayor na sa bawat bayan ang operator at sa plaza na lang bolahin.Lahat makikinabang at hindi lang ang indibidual na Jueting lord.Kung gusto ng tao na marami silang tsansa na manalo,lahat ng bayan puntahan nila at tataya,2-5 ang tama dito,tapos doon sa ibang bayan 7-8 at 3-4 sa Kapitolyo 6-9. O di ba maraming Jueting? Iyung pera sa bayan nila napunta.
Hahaha! Oy Cocoy…meron ng katiting na pinoy resto dito sa amin kaya lang ang lumalangoy na dinuguan ay $7.50 isang order. Aba, wala akong pambili kung ganyan, kailangan makibalato muna ako kay Rico E. Puno.
Chi,
Pinipilahan ba iyang resto diyan sa inyo?
Ng unang nagbukas ang Jolibee dito sinubukan namin pumila kahit mahaba,ngayon mas marami na ang silya at mesa kesa tao.
‘coy, experimental lang yata ito. Slow learner din ang owner, hehehe!
Lecheng pandesal ni Cocoy, chine-chainsaw! LOL! Okey lang yung electric breadcutter, o kaya kahit powertool, pero chainsaw? Matindi talaga itong si cocoy. Hahaha.
Naku painkiller daw. If I know, boboto ka lang pabor sa Prop 19. O di ba? Tapos dadalaw ako sa ‘yo pag nanalo, hehehe.
Palagay ko Tongue hindi makakalusot iyang Prop.19 kasi maraming kalaban, tulad Miller,Coors,Johny,Chivas,Napoleon tapos andiyan pa si Philip Morris,iyung cowboy na taga Marlboro country. Baka lalong magkabuhol buhol ang traffic sa freeway dahil marami ng distraction,nagmamaneho ka tapos may biglang pumara sa gitna ng kalsada at magburless,Marami rin ang mag uunahan na lumundag sa mataas na building sa Beverly Hills at magkakarerahan sa grapevine.Iyun nga lang baka maubos ang mga nursing graduate sa Pinas at i-hire sila ng h2 visa dito para gawin EMT at driver ng ambulancia.Magagalit si Mr. Park at Kim kasi lotto ticket na lang at condom ang ibebenta nila sa kanilang liquor store.
Sabagay magagaling ang mga Pilipino dito ng horticulture at agriculture kahit sa masetira lang ang namumunga ang kamatis nila.Tiyak over suplly.Bakit pa pupunta ng Mexico,Ano?
Cocoy on the other hand, dadami ang bibili ng pagkain dahil sa food trip. Lalakas ang kita ng farmers diyan sa mga valleys, ngayon meron pang bagong trabaho para sa upland farmers. Pati sa home growers, cottage industry na rin ito.
Dadayuhin kayo ng mga taga-Washington, Oregon, Arizona, Nevada every weekend kaya tatabo ang turismo diyan.
Pwede ka ring magtayo ng smoking supplies shop para sa mga gadget at gawin mong comedy bar kahit para sa mga Pinoy lang. Siguradong kahit corny ang jokes, hagalpakan ng tawa. hehehe.
“pain due to my cervical disc ruptured.Strong prescription of 500mg pain medication keep me going.I’m trying to avoid the titanium discs which the ortho drs want to implant on my neck.” – cocoy
I was diagnosed (MRI) in 1997 with c2/c3 problems, and the doctor who wanted to operate on me (I declined) had a class action suit filed against him few months later by former patients for surgeries they never needed.
Rarely took naprosyn or motrin, or pain killer tylenoy 500mg, I actually trash them after a year. Was going to give them to Rash Limbo but he ain’t my friend, hehe….
Keep the neck warm constantly especially during autumn and winter.
“Ng unang nagbukas ang Jolibee dito sinubukan namin pumila kahit mahaba,ngayon mas marami na ang silya at mesa kesa tao.” – cocoy
Unsure if there is a jollibee here in the high valley. It was doomed for failure, I mean jollibee. You can’t compete with kfc, burger king, miki d, taco bell, etc…carl junior is even struggling as well as john longsilver. chow king though is popular down in southbay (sd).
“Pwede ka ring magtayo ng smoking supplies shop para sa mga gadget at gawin mong comedy bar kahit para sa mga Pinoy lang. Siguradong kahit corny ang jokes, hagalpakan ng tawa. hehehe.” = tt
Tapos away na naman, ang pag-aawayan; chicks or maybe hen.
Never understood the thought process of idiots who commit a crime because of the opposite sex. Daming babae sa mundo.
There’s a former pba player (callled destroyer daw in Pinas) incarcerated in Nevada for killing his ex-wife’s bf. Divorce na, seloso pa rin; ayan kulong tuloy and he’s being screwed in prison.