By Tessa Jamandre
VERA Files
Chinese Vice Premier Li Keqiang has cancelled his official visit to Manila, supposedly set for the first week of September. But the Department of Foreign Affairs clarified the cancellation had nothing to do with the hostage-taking incident that is straining diplomatic relations between the two countries.
Li was supposed to arrive for a three-day visit September 5 to 7. He would have been the first high-level official of any country to visit the two-month-old Aquino government and was hoping to reaffirm his country’s strategic partnership with the Philippines.
In the hierarchy of the Communist Party of China (CPC), Li is set to succeed Wen Jiabao as Premier in the “fifth generation” of the CPC leadership. Premier Wen steps down in 2013.
Click here (VERA Files) for the rest of the story.
hindi natin masisisi ang mga chinese at ibang mga karatig bansa kung pangingilagan ang ating bayan.
Pero ito lang ang masasabi ko sa nakikita kong eksena sa naganap na hostage sa maynila:Puro palpak ang mga naroroon,una ang negotiator na kulang sa kaalaman makipagnegotiate,mga mediamen na walang mga deseplina sa sarili hindi inintindi ang kalalabasan sa pagpapalabas ng live scene sa mga pangyayari,ang mga pulis na tila hindi alam ihandle ang sitwasyon sa paligid,at pinakahuli ang mga SWAT kono na puro palpak din,saka lang sila magsasanay kung nandyan na?! nagbato ng tergas walang mga mask?nagpapaputok ng baril na walang mga spotlight na nakakabit?hindi pinag aralan kung anong klaseng window glass meron ang bus?di lang kulang sa mga gamit kundi kulang sa kaalaman lahat,ngayon lang kasi ang iniisip hindi ang hinaharap na mangyayari.Magsanay kayo ng husto mga bugok!!!
It was a political move. He had to cancel his trip lest he get lynched by his own people.
DFA announced the cancellation? That’s strange? Why not wait for the announcement of Beijing.
Malaya’s statement is so defensive.
Halatang nininerbyus.
The Philippines is bothered and bewildered as a result of major, major faux pas in recent memory.
1. Venus Raj in her “major, major problem” reply that apparently cost her the Miss Universe crown.
2. The government in its major, major fumbling in dealing with the hostage drama that cost the lives of 8 HK tourists.
Sleeplessinmontreal, not winning an international beauty contest title is hardly a major faux pas for the country. Placing 5th in the Miss Universe is a personal triumph of Ms. Raj and maybe a cause of elation to Filipino pageant fans.
Ms. Ellen, pasintabi lang, ang post ba na ito ay patungkol kay Malaya?
Nalulungkot ako sa nangyari sa hostage taking at sa mga hindi magandang kaganapan pagkatapos. Nagpakumbaba na ang mga Pinoy. Pero this one is really disturbing:
http://www.gmanews.tv/story/199565/china-condemns-draping-of-rp-flag-over-hostage-takers-coffin
Naiintindihan naman ang galit ng mga taga Hongkong sa nangyari pero sumosobra naman yata na pati ang gagawin sa lamay ni Mendoza may say sila!!!
Malaya really really committed a major major faux pas! If true na pinadaan sa kanya ang protocol…
Ngayon, Beijing feels na-snub sila ni PNoy dahil in times of emergency, the president didn’t give them the courtesy of discussing the hostage crisis via telephone. Sad sad developments to come. Lintek na telepono kasi yan!
Putragis, and bilis ni Malaya ngayon!
Same thoughts here, Becky.
I also share your sentiments on the flag, Oblak.I think the Chinese is pushing us too hard.
O.T.
OMG, when will the blunders ever stop? Sheeesh!!!
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingnews/metro/view/20100827-289100/Forensic-pathologist-warns-of-more-international-ridicule-of-RP-police
Si Ka Mike naman, nagugulat ka ba sa ganyang balita tungkol sa diskarte ng pulis in “processing the crime scene”? Ka dami nang palpak na napanood sa tv, yung kay padilla, asawa ni Ted Failon, at iba pa. Hindi pa natin sinasama yung safekeeping of evidence.
Ewan ko nga ba sa mga pulis, parang wala talagang training. Kung namamahalan sila sa training, bumili o mag rent na lang sila ng DVD ng CSI: Las Vegas at CSI New York para sa tamang processing ng crime scene!!
Ayayay, may reply pala sa akin si Ms. Ellen.
Napanood ko rin yung eksena na inalis yung bandera sa ataul. Malambot kasi ang puso ko kapag nakakita ang mga naiwan ng namatayan. Totoo na may malaking “crisis” ang dinulot ni Mendoza pero ngayong pati sya yumao, tapos na. Hayaan naman ang mga namatayan mag grieve at magluksa sa paraan na gusto nila.
Baka naman pati yung ilalagay sa lapida ni Mendoza na may reference sa pagiging good father, son and man ay pakikialaman pa.
This time kung si Noynoy ang nagpaalis ng bandera sa ataul ni Mendoza dahil sa pag kondena ng China, dyan ko sya bibigyan ng failing mark!!! Hindi sa hindi maagang pagtawag kay Tsang o late na presscon o mabagal na pagsibak ng officials.
SAbi ko na nga ba…pag nag apologize ang presidente natin, lalo tayong maliitin ng mga intsik na yan…sobra na…
Grabe talaga ang ginawa nitong si Captain Mendoza at lakas ng loob pa na takipan ng Philippine flag ang kabaong niya. Ano bang klaseng mga taong ito?
Walang masama sa pag apologize ni P.Noy sa kay Donald Tsang at sa Mainland China. The more na dapat natin hangaan ang pagka humble ng ating pangulo. Talaga naman tayo ang mali. Ano pa bang argumento dito?
Mr. Fajardo, according to news report it was the family who put the flag. They are the bereaved and let us allow them to grieve as they have lost a loved one too. Some people who do not know Mendoza may not forgive him for what he has done but we have to give the family the chance to grieve the way they want to. I understand it was the mother who refused to remove the flag and she was left wailing when the flag was removed.
If some people had in their heart to condole with the families of the Chinese victims, will it be too much for some Filipinos to pray for the families left by Mendoza.
As a former Marine officer, it pains me to see a Philippine flag utilized improperly, simple as that.
Can’t blame the Chinese for feeling that way. Think about it, if we were in there shoes and that this tragedy happened to us. Malamang madami sa atin ang magaalboroto at maghahamon ng patayan. Remember the Tsip Chao incident? The Jay Leno comment regarding the pull out of our peace keeping force in Iraq? How about the biscuit that was named after us? And several other… Insulto palang yun ha at nagwawala na tayo sa galit. Paano pa kung may namatayan tayong mga kababayan dahil sa katangahan ng inaakala nating mga pulis na magpro-proteksyon sa atin? Give them time to mourn, nilalabas lang nila ang kanilang sama ng loob. Dadating rin ang araw ay maayos na ang lahat.
eddfaji, sinabi na ng NHI, may karapatan si Mendoza. Wala rin raw prohibition sa Flag Law.
Isa pa, patay nila yon, sa loob ng bahay nila, hindi public place. Labas na tayo doon. Kahit balutin nila yun ng Christmas wrapper, wala tayong paki.
Di dapat pakialaman ng gobyerno yung pamilya, lalo na ng ordinaryong tao gaya natin, at mas lalo na ng mga dayuhan.
“Kahit balutin nila yun ng Christmas wrapper, wala tayong paki.” – TT
Salamat tounge!! Okay na okay!!
Si Jinggoy naman, sabi niya ayaw niyang gawing isyu yung pagbato ng kanyang passport sa kanya ng immigration officer ng HK. Ang tanong, kung ayaw niya ng isyu, bakit niya kaagad isinumbong kaagad sa media ang nangyari sa kanya? Ang politiko nga naman. Tsk, tsk… 😛
Re #22. No comment. Amen na lang!!
Wala bang balita sa mga Singsons?
Bukas makalawa ano na naman ang reklamo nila? Bakit tayo ngumingiti? Bakit bukas ang mga sinehan? Bakit tayo nagsasaya? Tangina nila.
Di ko pa lang nakukumpirma, nagpapakain ako kanina ng aso nung maulinigan ko sa TV na binastos si Jinggoy nung batuhin ng passport ng immigration officer ng Hong Kong. Hindi ako siguradong tama yung nadinig ko. Pero kung totoo yan, bastusan na yan. Hindi na dapat palampasin pa yan.
Pag hindi humingi ng dispensa si Donald Tsang makakatikim sila.
Kumpirmado pala yung kay jinggoy. Eto:
http://www.gmanews.tv/video/65440/24oras-jinggoy-estrada-says-his-passport-was-thrown-at-him-at-hk-immigration-office
Tongue, dapat magreklamo muna si Jinggoy o kaya ang gobyerno sa HK bago nila aaksyunan. 😛
Nampucha, balak ko pa namang dumaan ng HK bisitahin ang Hongkenese bff ba hangga ngayon ay mabait sa akin. Baka hindi lang pasaporte ang ibalibag sa aking mukha a! Calling Yuko…dyan na lang ako sa Narita. 🙂
What????? A passport (whose passport) was hurld at a senator of the Republic of the Philippines by a HK immigration officer?
Now, that is pushing things a bit too far. I’m sorry but even if I don’t like Jinggoy Estrada, he is an elected member of the Senate and to hurl a passport (his I suppose) at him is unacceptable.
I’ve been very very cool about things in the direction of the Chinese but if Tongue’s news is right given the circumstances but I’m afraid, while I understand that the Chinese of China and HK have the right to be indignant, they are not and have not always been exactly the repository of moral right!!!!!
Lemme rephrase that:
“I’ve been very very cool about things in the direction of the Chinese but if Tongue’s news is right I’m afraid, we cannot let this thing pass. While I understand that the Chinese of China and HK have the right to be indignant given the circumstances, they must be told that they are not and have not always been exactly the repository of moral right!!!!!”
Kay Jinggoy Estrada, Anna.
I think Jinggoy didn’t use his diplomatic passport. Anyway, it’s still not right for the immigration officer to treat any Filipino that way.
Got this from fellow commenter (and Facebooker) JJ Domingo:
http://ht.ly/2vK2O
My comment:
JJ– I think this post is a welcome respite. You’ve done quite well. We must not be caught flat footed after all, I’m not sure that even after the dust settles, eg., after national apology, self-flagellations, criticisms, bashings, feeling losers, etc., we will not be the butt of regional bullying. In diplomacy, we know how essential it is to know the party in front of you. (wink, wink)
Excerpt from the above post:
To this day, five years after it happened, there is no public record of any Chinese official acknowledging the tourist killings in Tiananmen Square and apologizing to the Madrigals, much less the Filipino people, for the murder of Emmanuel, Regina Mia and Vivian. Not a single expression of regret that the Chinese police failed in their duty to protect the lives of innocent tourists in the very heart of Beijing, in the symbolic center of a state that prides itself most of all for its ability to control and contain disorder. There was a total blackout on the part of the Chinese press, and, according to another news report, government censors quickly blocked many internet sites where Chinese users had begun to post comments about the killing. So we will likely never know what ordinary Chinese citizens had to say about about the incident. Maybe some of them were actually sorry for what happened.
“The closest thing to expressed regret was in fact the final reported action of the killer Wang, who waived his right to appeal the sentence of execution, and got a bullet in the back of his head.
“To add to the horror, it would appear that the Arroyo administration was complicit in the silence. No public statement was ever made by the Philippine government regarding the incident. Unlike in Hongkong, no flags were flown at half-mast in Manila, and no three-minute silence was observed to mark the deaths of the innocent Filipino tourists. No demand has ever been made by any Filipino official for an apology, and for an accounting.
“A full investigation of the Quirino Grandstand killing is ongoing. But what of that other killing, also in August, five years ago in Tiananmen Square?”
Syempre hindi pahuhuli si Kris Aquino, sya rin daw nasamplean ng backlash nang sigawan sya ng kamag anak ng victim nang bumisita sya sa hospital. Hindi talaga pahuhuli si Kris at baka bukas for no reason pumunta na rin yang sa Hongkong para sa sample ng pagbato ng passport then interview sa the Buzz at doon iiyak.
Madam Chi, don’t worry at hindi ka naman siguro maJinggoy sa Hongkong.
Thanks Chi! And I agree Mike.
BTW, asan si Magno? Di yan umaabsent pag ganito topic. May pangmatrikula naman siya kaya dapat lagi siyang pumapasok dito. Di kaya nagbakasyon sa Hong Kong?
Ano ka kuya Oblak, e kung umuuwi ako sa Pinas yung pinoy passport ang gamit ko. The other one is for EU only para hindi ako busisiin din….
Tongue, tinanggalan ng computer ang parengMagno mo kasi daw nahuli na nagbabad sa Ellenville. hahaha!
Seiously, tagal na raw silang walang internet service sa office, text nya kay kaka Emil.
“Isa pa, patay nila yon, sa loob ng bahay nila, hindi public place. Labas na tayo doon. Kahit balutin nila yun ng Christmas wrapper, wala tayong paki.” – TT
Relax lang TT, yang krismas rapper eh made in China, the chinese have the right to prevent it’s usage. Ang daming weaved blankets sa Easter School Weaving department sa Baguio, bili na lang dito…tab is on me.
I’ve said in the beginning, muscle flexing by the chinese.
It should be like this. Parang kantang Imagine ni John Lennon. 🙂
“No country is perfect…just like the people who live in it”
http://www.facebook.com/#!/video/video.php?v=142461919123888
“they must be told that they are not and have not always been exactly the repository of moral right!!!!!”” – adb
They’re commies.
Buti pa ang ibang dayuhan eh nakakaintindi.
By the way, the link I posted on #40, dapat may facebook account kayo. 🙂
Maybe something good will come out from all this drama, if it’s tit for tat that they want.
Ban all importations of made in China products which by the way too inferior or what we call “patakbuhin” that easily broken even by just holding it.
China is not a major trading partner; what are we exporting to them anyway, on the other hand we have been a major importer, the dumping ground of their inferior products that I can’t believe that even a product of China peanut butter bread spread are being brought into the country.
Hong Kong? Commie? Diyos ko po. Mas capitalista pa yan kaysa kay Adam Smith.
#44 Patakbuhin ang Chinese goods.
Tell that to Walmart, which is producing there, as well as other American companies. At least they export to the world. Tayo, we export our people, because we cannot give them jobs at home.
Maghunusdili kayo. After praising Jackie Chan, babanatan niyo ng Pinoy chauvinism. There is nothing to be chauvinistic about. Wala pa tayong great achievement as a people.
Sinong pinagmamalaki ng Pinoy? Si Rizal? He was Chinoy – descendant of Domingo Lam Co. Naging Mercado because they had merchant roots.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Rizal
In twenty years, China will overtake the US. They have had a long history as an ancient civilization, rivaling Egypt and India. Before Christ pa, may empire na sila. Tayo, kung hindi dumating ang mga barbaric Spaniards, hanggang ngayon nakabahag pa tayo, like the other Polynesians.
May pagka-rude talaga ang mga taga HK. I used to travel to HK in the late 70s and mid-80s. Kung magtatanong ka sa kanila at hindi ka Chinese speaking pagtatawanan ka pa nila. So I learned to be-friend bi-lingual citizens. Lalo pa ngayon at komunista na sila!
Mas rude pa sila siguro.
China is taking advantage of the mileage they can get para lumuhod si Pnoy sa kanila katulad ng ginagawa ni bansot sa kanila na kahit na ano ang ipakain sa kanya, sige lang. Meron siguro silang gustong pagawa kay Pnoy at medyo mailap si Pnoy sa kanila so they see this hostage situation as an opportunity to soften him.
Time heals. Ngayon galit sila sa atin. Nagkataon lang na si Jinggoy eh nagpunta sa HK ngayon. Let him go in a year. The tragedy would have been forgotten. Hindi naman natin kagustuhan na may mamatay. We already apologized, ano pa ang gusto nila? Siguro huwag na muna tayong mag-shopping sa HK. One time, I was en-route to India. I met a couple who were going to HK to do their Christmas shopping. Kung ginaganito tayo ng mga yan, i-boycott din natin ang pagpunta sa kanila! Why will we put up with them? Palamigin na muna natin ang mga ulo nila bago tayo mag-pakita sa kanila.
I felt sad with the flag incident. I am pretty sure that the Mendoza family is hurting so much. Siguro, hindi pa nila matanggap na ang isang awardee na police ay magiging villain sa huling sandali ng buhay niya. Para sa akin, dapat pinalampas na lang ang paggamit ng flag. Afterall, before Mendoza did this horrible crime, he was a good cop. Kung sa bagay, out of 10 deeds one does, kung may isang mali, lahat na ng ginawang tama ay walang katuturan. But still, I felt sad that this one last gesture for the dead man eh pinakikialaman pa ng China.
SNV, also, let us not forget na halos lahat ng mga malalaking businesses sa atin ngayon eh pagaari ng mga Chinese.
“Hong Kong? Commie? Diyos ko po. Mas capitalista pa yan kaysa kay Adam Smith” snv
Huh!?! Jewish na pala ang Hongkong.
“In twenty years, China will overtake the US.” – snv
Overtake in what? Japan is smaller than China, experienced two nuclear bombs…yet they’ve been more successful than the Chinese.
“hanggang ngayon nakabahag pa tayo, like the other Polynesians.” – snv
From parts of the cordilleras down south, marami pa ring nagbabahag…and I don’t see anything wrong with that. Ang pinoy nga naman, nag amerkana lang at naka jeans, yabang na!
there is no longer a communist state nowadays as per definition of karl marx and friedrich engels. even cuba which i consider the only true communist state today just announced two major reforms: leasing of land to foreigners for 99 years and allowing its citizens to grow and sell their own vegetables (yahoo news).
if you have been paying attention to the latest news, it was reported that china surpassed japan as the world’s second largest economy last quarter. america still tops the list.
after world war II, japan did not just recover on its own. america poured massive economic and logistical support so japan could rebuild its pre-war infrastructure and industries. america was japan’s overlord for several years after world war II.
No need to tell Walmart. No need to even tell the whole world about it. Everyone knows that “patakbuhin” products of China are all over. Almost all big companies has been outsourcing in China, mainly because the labor is very very cheap, that’s why their products are also cheap, very low in quality. The name of the game is competition and it’s very stiff. The one who sells cheap will always beat the expensive. The market for cheap products is much much bigger than the more expensive. And here lies the success of the Chinese, they have been very wise to take advantage of cornering a bigger share of the pie by going cheapie.
Of course poor Philippines can not even manage to fake a pose against the giant. China is now second economy wise to the US. If it can maintain the growth rate of the econmy, it’s not a wild guess that years from now she will overtake the US.
Nakita ko ang link na ito sa Facebook. Ano rin kaya maramdaman ng mga tsekwa tungkol dito? Nagrally din ba ang mga pinoy para kondenahin ito?
http://houseonahill.net/a-note-from-a-cousin-in-law-about-filipinos-violently-killed-in-beijing-five-years-ago
It’s the power of TV media and selective airings of criminal activities…not much coverage of the Mindanao massacre, brown versus brown.
The two korean-american rescued by Slick Willy in North Korea had more coverage than the black teacher of Massachusetts who was released and escorted yesterday by former president Carter. Race does matter, kaya maraming noypis/naypis who are becoming whites nowadays. Sickos!
“Ban all importations of made in China products…” – florry
Ah, eh… baka walang matira dito sa atin. 😛
“…not much coverage of the Mindanao massacre…” – tru blue
Wala talagang coverage yung sa Maguindanao massacre kasi lahat ng tiga media na massacre din. 🙂
These quotes attributed to US Pres. Lyndon Johnson are applicable to PNoy at this moment in time:
1. A President’s hardest task is not to do what is right, but to know what is right.
2. Being president is like being a jackass in a hailstorm. There’s nothing to do but to stand there and take it.
Like I said earlier, give them time and the issue will die down. This early, some improvements are worth noting.
Jackie Chan’s tweets: “Jackie Chan provided a voice of reason and extended a hand of friendship to Filipinos over the recent hostage crisis via his verified Twitter account, @EyeOfJackieChan.”
South China Morning Post, a popular HK daily in it’s editorial post:
“Hatred toward Filipinos ‘smacks of racism”
Victim thanks PGH doctor:
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/inquirerheadlines/nation/view/20100828-289193/HK-tourist-holds-no-anger-thanks-doctor
South China Morning Post, a popular HK daily in it’s editorial post:
“Hatred toward Filipinos ‘smacks of racism”
http://www.gmanews.tv/story/199419/hatred-toward-filipinos-smacks-of-racism-hk-daily
Here’s another:
“Hong Kong assures RP of friendship, safety of Filipinos”
http://www.gmanews.tv/story/199452/hong-kong-assures-rp-of-friendship-safety-of-filipinos
…after a good night’s sleep things are looking better…we have a plant in China, and as fate would have it I also report to Chinese bosses there, so far, in our email exhanges there was no mention of the incident, its purely business, of course these colleagues are educated in Europe but Chinese nationals nevertheless…
Historically, culturally, commercially, we cannot escape our ties with China…and in this modern international community, there is no room for enmity, wars or the threat of one is more a deterrent than national policy…its not efficient and counterproductive….
I have realized that we musn’t blame anyone, not the media (if we want the truth, no matter how painful), not the police, not our leaders, not our idiotic countrymen who had their pictures taken using the bullet ridden bus as a background, certainly not he Chinese, not even Gloria…these are just one of those tests that measure our resolve to better…and these are lessons we must learn…until our knee jerk reaction to crises will be “what can I do to help?” instead of blame and censure…peace…
“…not much coverage of the Mindanao massacre…” – tru blue
Wala talagang coverage yung sa Maguindanao massacre kasi lahat ng tiga media na massacre din. 🙂
– mike
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Napatawa ako dito, pero pinigilan ko… 🙂
henry, ginamit mo ang “t” word…hala ka,mamalasin ka niyan kay snv 🙂
…who by the way, I surmise is around his/her mid forties, judging by the muppet show character “sax n violins” if I’m not mistaken is a member of Dr. Teeth’s Electric Mayhem Band, along with Janice, Animal, and Sgt. Floyd Pepper… 🙂
And if GMA can totally wash her hands from anything that is happening at present…we must all remember that we are still waiting for her promised Legacy that she said will prove all along that all her critics wrong. Now we are seeing the start of that Legacy she was talking about.
Statement of Sen. Francis Pangilinan on the draping of the flag on the casket of former Police Senior Inspector Rolando mendoza:
Jug:
Bakit? Mase-mase ba aabutin ko sa kanya o kukuryentehin ako? lol
Thumb up for Mr Cuneta’s press release 🙂
“SNV, also, let us not forget na halos lahat ng mga malalaking businesses sa atin ngayon eh pagaari ng mga Chinese.” — PSB
Hindi lang yan Igan, pati Pangulo natin ay may lahing Intsik din.
Just because a country is a democracy or sovereign it also Free to offend another whose citizens just been murdered…No, no Senator Pangilinan, in this world we co-exist with one another. China maybe a one-party state and does not want anyone to interfere in its internal affair, but her citizens is her affair and we have to respect their sensitivity..many a nation went to War for lesser issue than their citizens being murdered…and if China so decides Mr. Pangilinan, maybe you can kiss your Democracy goodbye and may not have to open your mouth in and inappropriate time.
Nice words Senator Pangilinan. One can claim we are a Democracy as easy as you did. However, are we really a Democracy? Unless you can claim that our democratic institutions function independently well free from political influence, especially our Sandiganbayan and our Judiciary as a whole, then probably I will agree with you. Looks like Democratic in form but not substance. Please help make it work.
Noted Me. Pangilinan
Sa China ang mga convicted para bitayin ay hindi muna binibitay. Sila ay kinakatay at kinukuha ang mga laman loob at ipinagbibili sa mga mayayamang tao na may malubhang sakit O karamdaman. Mga kababayan ko, Read The Epoch Times, august 5, 2010 issue. A former member of the Chinese security forces, with highly sensitive information on the state’s practice of organ harvesting from prisoner, is currently stuck in Switzerland and faces deportation to China.Swiss authorities seek to apply assylum to this witness to testify to United Nation to this matter.
Masyado tayong minamaliit ng mga chino, sila itong may nakakapandiring gawi para mag-kamal ng salapi.
Look who’s talking about democracy.
If I don’t know this guy Mr. Noted, what he did in the past, maybe I will be cheering his press release.
Democracy is define by Mr. Noted Pangilinan as the freedom to abet and cover up cheating in elections, to condone cheaters, and remained silent on the undemocratic and corrupt rule of cheaters.
He is one of the authors of the stolen presidency of gloria and so he must share the blame on all the sins of the previous regime.
time of crisis differentiate the man/woman from the child, those who act maturely and responsibly to find peaceful resolution of the crisis for greater good could be called man/woman, while those who take advantage of the situation by inflammatory words, racist remarks and reckless accusations were still mentally a child, many filipinos and HK nationals are acting childishly. Do we allow a criminal act of one person damage peace and good relationship of 92 millions filipinos and 7 million HK nationals? are we wittingly or unwittingly contributing to the deterioration of the situation, or do we want to be part of the solution instead? reckless accusations have been hurled by politicians with selfish motives, it took the great words of jacky Chan, a chinese national to bring sanity amid the confusion.
Agree ako Sychitpin.
I came across Randy David’s article. Marami dito hindi gusto si Randy David lalo na nang hindi tinuloy yung paglaban kay GMA last election. Heto ang parting words nya sa article nya:
“The sooner we stop drawing perverse satisfaction from engaging in national self-laceration by judging ourselves on the basis of a single incident, the easier it will be to change our society.”
heto ang link sa mga gustong basahin ang buong article:
http://opinion.inquirer.net/inquireropinion/columns/view/20100828-289312/Mediated-views
“The sooner we stop drawing perverse satisfaction from engaging in national self-laceration by judging ourselves on the basis of a single incident, the easier it will be to change our society.”—–Randy David
Interesting. One thing, people tend to believe what they see, hear, and read about and most of the time conclude with consideration to their experiences. Our dealing with our government had been very negative lately. People have been pushed to their limits trying to get by under the circumstances. Sometimes, the Government needs to appreciates the limitations of the many they represent, show some respect and promote equality by upholding to the highest level our rights as defined by our Bill of Rights, and really work hard for the better for GOOD GOVERNANCE, the easier it will be to change our society.
It is not enough to ask the people to change. They always do and they do adjust under the circumstances to live and those who can’t perish. The burden of change is burdensome to many and most of the times beyond one’s control. Actions is more for the one who govern simply because they are the ones provided with power to lead.
Exactly!!! I’ve been posting similar thoughts on facebook. I don’t believe in continuing this morbid act of self flagellating ad vitam eternam.
florry – August 29, 2010 8:15 am
Look who’s talking about democracy.
If I don’t know this guy Mr. Noted, what he did in the past, maybe I will be cheering his press release.
Democracy is define by Mr. Noted Pangilinan as the freedom to abet and cover up cheating in elections, to condone cheaters, and remained silent on the undemocratic and corrupt rule of cheaters.
He is one of the authors of the stolen presidency of gloria and so he must share the blame on all the sins of the previous regime.
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Pinatawa ako nitong si Kiko Cuneta, ganun kay Gloria Arroyo na sumulat sa Beijing at HK na sisiguraduhin daw niya na mapaparusahan ang mga may kasalanan sa pagkamatay ng walo sa hostage taking.
Har!Har! Har! Pareho talaga takbo utak ni Goyang at Kiko, hahaha! Magsitigil nga muna ang pagpapapogi ninyo, bwisit!
“The sooner we stop drawing perverse satisfaction from engaging in national self-laceration by judging ourselves on the basis of a single incident, the easier it will be to change our society.”—–Randy David
Exactly!!! I’ve been posting similar thoughts on facebook. I don’t believe in continuing this morbid act of self flagellating ad vitam eternam.—adb
it’s one case too many! and yet there’s no meaningful reform in governance!
chi – “Pinatawa ako nitong si Kiko Cuneta, ganun kay Gloria Arroyo…….”
Mabuti ka pa natawa, ako inis na inis.
Sa tutoo lang nakakalungkot ang pagkamatay ng ilang Chinese sa insidente at nauunawaan natin ang sakit na nadarama ng mga Chinese sa Hong Kong. Kung kailangang humingi ng pasensiya e dapat nating gawin at ipaalam na talagang nalulungkot tayo sa nangyari.
Pero, sana naman, unawain din ng mga Chinese na sa kanilang pagdadalamhati at pagluluksa ay huwag nilang kalimutan na tayong mga Pilipino, gaya nila, ay nasasaktan din sa hindi makatuwirang action o salita na ginagawa ng ilang kapwa Chinese nila.
‘Yung bang mga magagaspang na inakto ng ilan sa kanila e gagawin rin nila kung sa US o Japan nangyari ang hostage taking?
‘Weno kung hindi nakausap ‘yung isang Intsik na tumawag kay Noynoy? Bakit, kung nakausap ba siya e maso-solve ang problema? Kung feeling n’ya binastos siya, pasensiya s’ya dahil hindi siya ang mahalaga nuong mga oras na ‘yon kundi ‘yung mga turista na nasa bus.
Patuloy ang pag-unawa ko sa kalungkutan na nadarama ng mga Chinese ngayon ngunit minamatyagan ko ang mga mali at aroganteng hakbang na ginagawa ng ilan sa kanila patukoy sa ating bansa at sa ating mga Pilipino.
florry, kung hindi ko kukunin sa tawa ang mga pinagsasabi ng mga pulitikong ito ay baka mapunta rin sa boiling point ang dugo ko. 🙂
Randy David is still in denial mode? What a loser.
can you blame for cancelling? malaki ang dakot na baka siya ang susunod na hostage….bakit nga ba hindi nalang si Maldita ang kunin na hostage…wala bang nag offer na reward para gunin si Maldita? sana manalo ako sa lotto…
mura ang mga items na Made in Hongkong (lalo na sa damit) pero mura din ang Made in India or Made in Indonesia..it can not be denied however, that suits tailored in Hongkong are better at mas mura kaysa Made in Italy..hindi na nila Monopoly ang mga bilihin..
“The sooner we stop drawing perverse satisfaction from engaging in national self-laceration by judging ourselves on the basis of a single incident, the easier it will be to change our society.”—–Randy David
Randy David is still in denial mode? What a loser. – Tongue (quoting myself)
Randy says this is a single incident, it’s not. I’m sorry for him if his memory is failing. I’ve quoted everywhere the incidents like the Villaruel assault, the Victory Liner incident, the Ducat bus hijack, now this. Each time the media and the cops played separate roles, instead of playing together as a team.
Self flagellation is not even enough punishment, annihilation, maybe.
In Gloria’s time, there were 90 million cowards, today, there are 90 million idiots.
It’s a damn if you do and damn if you don’t for the Chinese vice-premier. But if I were in his position I would proceed in visiting the country. Aside from the official purpose of the visit, another reason is to have a direct communication with people involved in the hostage-taking incident, especially the president. He also have to convey the sentiments and frustrations of his people about what happened and assure both sides that both countries is hoping that it will get over it eventually. He also need to demonstrate to RP the interest of the Chinese gov’t. to see to it that accountability be identified and redress be had, if necessary.