Malacañang also said they will be sending a high-level delegation to Hongkong to meet with Tsang, who had demanded a “full account” of last Monday tragedy.
Hongkong newspapers carried Tsang’s statement saying Monday, he had been trying to contact Aquino “since 4pm ..but all efforts failed.” He said the way the Aquino government handled the hostage situation was “regrettable” and “disappointing.”
Told about Tsang’s statement, Aquino said he did not know about Tsang’s call and that nobody told him about it.
Inquiries about the incident revealed that while the hostage situation was going on, Aquino was closely monitoring it, and he was talking with police authorities constantly. He told his staff that he won’t be taking any calls unless it’s extremely important.
When Tsang called, the one who took the call didn’t know who Donald Tsang is. Following the instruction, the staff member did not pass on the call to Aquino.
Now, Malacañang is going on overdrive to make up to Hongkong and to the People’s Republic of China. Yesterday, Aquino received in Malacañang Chinese Ambassasador Liu Jianchao.
The Chinese Embassy yesterday issued a statement that their foreign minister, Yang Jiechi, was in contact with his Philippine counterpart Foreign Secretary Romulo, over phone last Monday during the hostage crisis.
The statement said “ Minister Yang said that the Chinese Government was deeply shocked by the incident, expressed grave condolences to the victimized Hong Kong compatriots and strongly condemned the atrocity by the hostage-taker against innocent tourists. The Chinese side has urged the Philippine side to launch a thorough investigation, provide detailed report to the Chinese side, exert the utmost to save the injured and properly deal with the aftermath of the incident.”
The Chinese Embassy also said their government had sent a working team to the Philippines to deal with the hostage-taking aftermath.
“ The Chinese side urged the Philippine side to take concrete measures to ensure the safety and security of the Chinese citizens in the Philippines,” the statement said.
If we have to find some consolation about the deplorable and embarrassing incident, it’s the humility of government officials who admitted their shortcomings in last Monday’s botched rescue operations.
Interior Secretary Jesse Robredo said,”I think the police could have done better. I believe there should have been coordinated action there, hindi parang kanya-kanyang galaw. The ground commander should have gathered everyone covering the event and told them that the hostages are the first priority.”
The Philippine National Police has started its post-incident assessment and PNP Spokesman, Sr Supt. Agrimero A Cruz Jr said their initial observations include, among others, 1) poor handling of the hostage negotiation; 2) side issues and events that further agitated the hostage-taker; 3) inadequate capability, skills, equipment and planning of the assault team; 4)improper crowd control, and inadequate training and competence of assault team leader; and 5) non-compliance to media relations procedures in hostage situations.
And yes, media.
The situation, which seemed under control in the first seven hours, took a disturbing and deadly turn when police arrested SPO2 Gregorio Mendoza, brother of hostage taker, former Senior Inspector Rolando Mendoza.
The arrest was ugly and it was covered live by media. It was seen on TV in the bus by Rolando. That scene triggered the grim ending of the hostage crisis.
The root of Monday’s tragedy goes deeper than the frustrations of Sr. Inspector Mendoza. It’s time for a serious re-examination of all the factors that contributed to the misfortune.
“When Tsang called, the one who took the call didn’t know who Donald Tsang is. Following the instruction, the staff member did not pass on the call to Aquino.”
Unbelievable! I know the names Donald Tsang and Donald Trump and who they are!
What, hindi man lang tinanong ng staff kung sino ang nasa kabilang linya? Stupido/a! That staff has no right to answer any phone calls, not even his/her own!
Nine human beings killed due to incompetence, tapos ngayon sila maglalabasan to reason out why nine lives gone for naught!
Now, it needs a MAJOR delegation, rationalization and image enhancers to minimize the damage. Dioskoday!
What the heck is this!
Unbelievable.Relations between two countries (this is China!) will be strained because one ignoramus member of the presidential staff did not know who Donald Tsang is.
Maybe he thought Donald Tsang was a relative of one of the victims.
Unbelievable!
Sana hindi sya scapegoat ha!
This incident is not something that happens every day in our country or any country for that matter, and for the Chinese to rachet it up and politicize it is uncalled for. There are more higher ranking officials Tsang can demand to talk to vice insisting on speaking with the president pronto. It’s not proper protocol. The american ambassador at that time did not demand to talk to the chinese president when a deranged chinese ran amok and killed american tourists during the olympics. This is just muscle flexing by the chinese.
When a lot of human beings lives are in danger, protocol is not necessary. Kahit sino pwedeng dumeretso kay Pontio Pilato!
Kahit masaklap ang nangyari kahapon, naging maayos naman ang pag handle sa situation after ng hostage crisis. Ginagawa naman ng possibleng gawin mula sa PNP hanggang sa Pangulo.
Maayos ang naging usapan sa mga Chinese Embassy officials at sa side ng Pilipinas, nakita na talagang may mga kulang pagdating sa kapulisan. Maging totoo sana na may pagbabagong mangyari.
Pinoy kasi ako kaya i will not be harsh naman dun sa kung sino man ang nakasagot ng telepono. Sa experience ko hindi kaaya kaayang makipagusap ang mga Hongkites. Tipong pag tumawag sa telephone e “Wei, this is Chow. Give me Oblak”
Sa palagay ko naman kung yung tumawag ay maayos na “This is a call from Mr. Tsang, the Chief Executive of Hongkong, and requesting to talk to the President about the hostage crisis” kahit naman siguro Janitor sa Malacanang, ibibigay ang tawag kay Noynoy. Pero kung may proper identification kung sino ang tumatawag at bakit tumatawag at hindi binigay kay Noynoy, dapat ngang ibabad sa Ariel ang taong yun.
kahit na isang buhay lang ang nasa danger hindi kailangan ang protocol. Ilagay ang sarili sa buhay ng mga namatay at sa lider ng bansa na apektado. I think there is no politics involve here, purely human actions and reactions, that’s all…
We will never know what really transpired between the caller and the staff. Moot and academic na yan, image enhancers ang kailangan nila sa Palasyo ngayon.
Being a Pinoy is not a justification for me to not become harsh to whoever was responsible for the damn telephone. Innocent lives were gone just like that, we are talking of the very precious lives.
Chi, protocol is necessary. You really think the chinese president will have time to entertain an envoy or an ambassador about this kind of incidents? Would BO take the calls? I doubt it. Envoys to envoys, ambassadors to ambassadors or counterparts talking to each other are proper decorum. As I’ve stated, the chinese are flexing their muscles as they only perceive the Pinas as a weak nation.
tru blue, you give too much intellect on what just happened, it is what it is….
Breaking protocol is normal.Diplomats have a lot of stories of breaking protocols.
In emergency situations protocols are set aside especially in a life and death situation like what happened last Monday.
The Luneta hostage taking happened on Aug. 23, 2010.
The Maguindanao massacre happened Nove. 23, 2009.
What in the 23rd day of the month that is conducive to massacres?
Many Philippine tragedies also happened in August. Martial was declared Aug. 21,1971. Ninoy Aquino was killed August 21, 1983.
Aug. 23, 2010 is the Luneta hostage tragedy.
And how would you know if what you think/opinion would be the path taken by the chinese president or BO? Hindi yan nangyari, that’s only your opinion or own perception of the correct manner of handling the situation, right?
We survived. We should be wiser and stronger having survived.
I dont buy the story that a presidential staff didnt know who Tsang was. A call coming from the head of the Hong Kong govt. surely was introduced properly by a staffer of Donald Tsang. I dont think Mr. Tsang was the one who dialed the number himself. I’m sure PNoy intentionally avoided that call at that time. Does Malacanang think we are all stupid to believe everything it says?
That’s right, it is what it is. Too often a disgruntled bank customer will demand to see or talk to a manager, not a teller or supervisor. This happens in business establishments as well. What’s the point?
Granted Tsang talked to PNoy, the incident is over. Some hostages were killed as well as the hostage taker. PNoy can only convey his heartfelt sorrow and to ensure a more positive result will materialize in the future. I really can’t see what more Noynoy can do. Binay is silent, he should take charge of this matter from now on.
This incident is only talked about because of media coverage and CNN fed live coverage world-wide, thus all the wild and some truthful commentaries. This is only hostage taking and sure it’s horrible that innocent lives were lost.
Innocent lives are lost regularly in Afghanistan and Pakistan due to CIA-operated Drone attacks. Does BO entertain calls from each countries envoys when other foreign workers such as Japanese, Chinese, French, Filipinos, etc..are accidently killed by some runaway drones? No way.
Chi, I still like to believe you were not born just yesterday in dissecting these issues.
Malacañang also said they will be sending a high-level delegation to Hongkong ……………….
Tsang demanded a full account of the tragedy………………………..Chinese also urged the Philippines to launch a thorough investigatio and to provide detailed report to the chinese.,,,,,,,,,,
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How many times had we heard of news regarding the sorry plights of our female domestic helpers having been dealt with cruelty, torture, work without pay, (at times) killed, and the sorriest plight of all, our women- folk being lured into prostitution in Hong Kong ? Did the Philippine government ever “DEMANDED” the Chinese government a FULL ACCOUNT and INVESTIGATION as to why our women-folk suffered such debilitating humiliation and indignities ? Did the Chinese ever sent a “high-level” delegation to Manila to explain anything at all ?
This incident with the hostage taking can happen anywhere in the world. It may had been handled shabbily but does the Philippine government really have to explain anything ? Natataranta ang Malacanang to get the best minds to go to Hong Kong and appease the Chinese ? Why ? Naduro na naman ang Pilipinas. Like Tru Blue says, it is Chinese muscle flexing no less.
But lest I be misunderstood, I do condemn what happened. I won’t even point my finger to anybody who bungled their jobs. You know who you are. My sincerest and deepest condolences to the next-of-kin of those who perished in this tragedy.
What is there to dissect, tru? Becky, I believe is a DFA expert, also said protocol is not needed in this situation.
But if the dissection is about the lapses, lahat na yata already did that, in fact up to this very second walang nangyayari kundi dissection….
Sana bukas o makalawa ay may mababasa akong may mag presscon at sasabihing:
“I take full responsibility for what happened that resulted in the tragic lost of innocent lives and the mishandling of the hostage taking incident. Therefore, I have submitted my irrevocable resignation to the president.”
“What is there to dissect, tru? Becky, I believe is a DFA expert, also said protocol is not needed in this situation.” – chi
You raised the issue of “anyone puedeng dumeretso ke pontio pilato”, meaning PNoy. I’m trying to sway away your mind it’s not the right thing to do. If we use the terror level color code in this case, this is down the cellar – a green.
Superpower head of states will politely direct your inquiry to his appropriate secretaries.
Becky can always subscribed to the “only in da pilipins” adage. So, in every hostage situations similar as this, dump protocoling in the Pasig River…just a dandy.
Ten things the Philippines bus siege police got wrong
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-11069616
tru, ano ba ang pinag-uusapan dito, ang telepono o terorismo na ginawa mong analogy? We’re not on the same page. Napalayo na ang usapan dahil sa theories and that of what might have taken place…
E hindi nga superpower ang Pinas kaya pati ang telephone operator ay hindi alam ang pagsagot. The situation is real…
Ang kawawa ngayon ay itong anak ni Chavit …. sasabihin nilang … naturingan ka pa namang isang mambabatas pero ano ang ginawa mo? Kung hindi ka kayang ayusin ang Gobyerno niyo … di kami na lang ang aayos sa iyo …. paktay loki na.
Whoever took the phone call should have discerned that the call was from HK/China. May distinct accent yan mga yan. Wala namang common sense yung staff to even ask who was calling.
Biruin mo, nagtitipid tayo sa expenses. If the call would have gotten to Pnoy, we may not need to send an entire delegation to rectify the situation. It is the timeliness.
Para kay Pnoy naman, it would have been his call to make sure that one of his cabinet men or the DFA or whoever is in charge of foreign relations to give HK a call to give them a peace of mind and that things are being done to stay on top of the unfolding tragedy. He is now on his 2nd month of being the leader. He should be more keen. Besides hindi naman siya bagito sa Malacanang. He was there in his 20s. Hindi na siya dapat NAIVE sa mga kasong ganito.
A true leader acts fast. When Russia was on fire, its Prime Minister was out supervising everything from the beginning, not just delegating. Yan ang leader! It is not a wait and see attitude. I expected Pnoy to be more aggressive on his actions on situations like these.
Obama was so criticized for sitting on the recent oil spill. An act that may have eroded his popularity big time.
putsang gis! nasisi na naman si PNoy! wala na siyang magawa na tama! puede ba siyang magresign? o kaya tanggalin?
now that this one is over and the tragic results was there for the whole world to see…many lesson can be learn from this…
firstly, the process to address the grievances from dismissed employees, including police officers and military men and justification of forfeiture of their only income,their pensions and other accrued benefits. this is where the real “ombudsman” could be in the right place.
secondly, an establishment of a trained permanent teams of units that will be authorized to deal with this kind of situation, such as the Police Emergency Task Force and be on the job in moments notice.
and what is needed in a country where everyone is hungry for news, perhaps a mobile news centre where the Media will get a regular briefings from the authorities.
and lastly, please give those men and women of the special unit all the necessary safety equiptment and armour and needed firepower.
and the country’s leader, should always be ready to make that decision if no one can…as PET would tell his interviewer “Just Watch Me”
Panahon na naman ng mga imbistigasyon kaliwat kanan. Exactly as i thought, senate will investigate –AGAIN –. May natatapos bang imbestigasyon iyang senate, at kung mayroon saan napupunta di bah sa WALA –.Naku magtigil na nga sila, yon ngang kay Villar wala ng nangyari, etoh pa kaya?
TOYM awardee pala yong mamang pulis, baka naman valid ang kanyang reklamo. Kung may reklamo nga naman sa ombudsman, saan nga naman siya magrereklamo? Desperate talaga na ang tao kaya foreigners pa kanyang tinarget.
Pakitang tao na lamang iyang sinasabi nilang imbestigasyon, to appease the Chinese. Iimbestigahan ang mga pulis, eh iyong ombudsman, iimbestigahin din kaya? Hindi ba sila ang root ng naging problema ng mamang pulis.
Perhaps Pnoy and his staff did not think the situation was that serious that the head of HK would call him and so they weren’t prepared to know who he was in case he called.
To whoever says Donald Tsang is just an envoy/ambassador/some diplomat, read more current events. Donald Tsang is the head of government. HK will lose its autonomy in favor of China only in 2046.
I dont know Donald Tsang and please dont send any delegation there. It is just a futile exercise. Whats done is done. It will only expose the delegates and the country to shameful criticisms.
Was there a Hostage-HotLine? If someone — a hostage-relative or a HongKong government official wanted up to date information — who did they get to talk to?
“When a lot of human beings lives are in danger, protocol is not necessary. Kahit sino pwedeng dumeretso kay Pontio Pilato!” – chi
First sentence, you agreed with Becky protocol was unnecessary. I’m asking you now, in similar situations in the future, wala pa ring protocol? So in what desperate situations will it be useful? Tanong ko lang.
The second phrase got me going. My response to this was: you can’t just demand to talk to a president or Prime Minister because of a bungled hostage crisis, so I gave you all those analogies. Let me give you another: Do you really believe the governor of North Carolina will take a call from family members in similar situation as this. No.
Sa Pinas ok lang siguro. Ang tawag sa mga politicians nila eh..Ate Vi, Kuya Noy, Kuya Manny, Manong Sab-it, etc…..
to sum up what happened:
yes, incompetence with lack of necessary equipments in such a crisis were present…
bottomline, however, is that media made people plain and simple “usiseros.” and now, these media and “usiseros” are suddenly experts…not realizing that the only expertise they hold is just in blame-throwing…
“To whoever says Donald Tsang is just an envoy/ambassador/some diplomat, read more current events. Donald Tsang is the head of government. HK will lose its autonomy in favor of China only in 2046.” – thelegallyinclined
You are directing this query to me, I suppose. Please highlight a “phrase” or a “quote” that I said Donald Tsang as such.
Did you read his exact title? It’s not Head of Government. Read the first paragraph above of this tread.
BLAME-THROWING
tama, jan magaling ang mga pinoy.
Noong nanalo si Noynoy, isa ba sa priority ng gobyerno ang hostage-taking preparedness? wala sa listahan yan ng mga gusto ninyo. Ang una ninyong gustong mangyari kasuhan si gloria at ang mga arroyo. ngayon nakalimutan na ninyo si gloria?
namputsa, kahit simpleng empleyado mayroong 6 buwan na probationary period sa trabaho para malaman ang takbo sa opisina, pero kung presidente kailangang alam lahat kaagad kung papaano ang gagawin.
25 August 2010
Paumanhin po sa mga bloggers dito sa site na ito.
Sana po itigil na natin ang kaliwa’t kanang na batikos sa ating bansa. Iisa lamang po ang Pilipinas, subalit katulad po ng mga ibang bansa, meron din naman silang pagkukulang.
Ang pagkukulang ng Pilipinas ay isang halimbawa na kailangang nating magutlungan para sa ikakausad ng ating bansa.
Ang ating Mahal na Pilipinas ay binabatikos ng ibat-ibang bansa, ang Hong Kong ay isang syudad lamang ng bansang Tsina. Hindi natin maalis ang pag kondena ng mga mamayan ng Hong Kong sa nangyari.
Subalit, isa lamang po ang aking panawagan, sana po ay huwag naman po sobra ang pag kondena, inamin na ng kapulisan ang aming kamalian, subalit kami naman din po ay humihingi ng pang-unawa, dahil ginawa naman ng aming kapulisan ang lahat.
Nang may nangyari na mas mahigit pa sa hostage sa Maynila, katulad ng pag bomba sa 2 sikat na hotel Mumbai, India Hindi kinastigo ng Pilipinas, ng lumabas ang kalunus lunos na kundisyun ng mga nahuli sa al graib prison sa Iraq, hindi kinastigo ng Pilipinas, marmaing pang katulad ng pam bobomba sa ibat-ibang syudad sa buong mundo.
Ng maraming namatay sa Tiananmen Square sa Bansang Tsina, hindi ito basta basta kinondena ng Pilipians at hindi hiningan ng eksplanasyon.
Ng ang ating mga OFW sa Hong Kong, merong mga napaslang pinagsamantalahan minaltrato at kung anu-anong abusong inabot ito ay hindi basta-basta kinondena at hindi basta basta hiningan ng eksplanasyon. Subalit ang nangyari noong Lunes, 23 ng Agost ay isang insidentend maari nating sabihin na isolated case.
Ang aking panawagan, sa ganitong sitwasyon ay ang ating pagkakaisa, suporta sa bawat isa. May galit at sama ng loob sa pamahalaan ay ating isang tabi na at mag-kaisa sa ikauunlad ng ating bansa, ang kasamaan ng isang Pilipino ay kasamaan na ng lahat ng mamamayang Pilipino.
Unawa at pagkakaisa ang ating ipairal ngayong at magpahnggang kailan man.
Salamat Po.
prans
Lets just wait and see what our president decides to do and support him whatever it is. China and the world will be watching, its not just the president, its how we deal with this as a country, as a people…whether apologizing, or kowtowing, etc., is politically correct or not, whether we like to see our president eat humble pie and kneel in front of the Chinese, its his call…lets allow him to decide, and just support him…
Its how we handle crisis as a people that matters, as team Philippines – lets not show the world how selfish, confused, disunited, and insubordinate we are…in dealing with foreign issues, let us show united front…of course, internally, later, we can have a good debate about it…
Ang dami agad na comments.
I second pranning’s and jug’s posts. SAbi nga ni Ms. Ellen, nagpapakumbaba na ang pamunuan, hindi na masama na suportahan na rin natin ang pamunuan.
Hey guys, its not just Noynoy who can’t be contacted, I just got an email from our China office just now complaining they can’t contact my Makati office phone for days now, even the address – the courier says is wrong…what a coincidence!
this is a by product of a very corrupt and incompetent gma regime, double standard of justice perpetrated by ombudsman Merceditas Gutierrez caused Capt Mendoza to seek justice by committing a greater crime.a crooked and distorted way of addressing a problem. Crooked and distorted is the culture and values of many public servants,notably congress ethics complaint against Rep Bello for telling the truth, while overlooking the shameful and criminal conduct of Rep Ronald Singson. evils still lurks in many dark places in congress, senate , ombudsman office ,PNP, AFP and other gov’t offices. Thank God we have an honest president Noynoy now, otherwise the continued deterioration of values and cultures will lead phil to chaos. P.Noy is not perfect and needs our support.The most important is a president who has integrity and sincerity to serve. Phil is still fortunate we did not have a plunderer and liar like villar as president or a gma clone in the person of Gibo. Decades of corruption left tons of problem for P.Noy to solve. No man is an island. The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. So many distractions are being thrown in P.Noy’s way now, for the sake of greater good its best to help P.Noy succeed.
re: #39
“To whoever says Donald Tsang is just an envoy/ambassador/some diplomat, read more current events. Donald Tsang is the head of government. HK will lose its autonomy in favor of China only in 2046.” – thelegallyinclined
You are directing this query to me, I suppose. Please highlight a “phrase” or a “quote” that I said Donald Tsang as such.
Did you read his exact title? It’s not Head of Government. Read the first paragraph above of this tread.
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You are absolutely wrong, Donald Tsang is the Head of Government.
Sir Donald Tsang Yam-Kuen, GBM, KBE[1] (born 7 October 1944) is the current Chief Executive and President of the Executive Council of the Government of Hong Kong.
>>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Tsang
The Executive Council of Hong Kong (ExCo, traditional Chinese: 行政會議) is a core policy-making organ in the executive branch of the government of Hong Kong.(Article 54 of the Basic Law). In other words, it is the cabinet of the Chief Executive of Hong Kong, who serves as its President.
>>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Council_of_Hong_Kong
The Government of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region of the People’s Republic of China, commonly the Hong Kong Government, is led by the Chief Executive as Head of the Government, who is also the head of the Hong Kong SAR.
>>>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_of_Hong_Kong
Head of government is the chief officer of the executive branch of a government, often presiding over a cabinet.
>>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_of_government
xman,
so your point is? as usual, pointless…good try mikee but no cigar!
as usual another Noynoy cult apologist, mr. yes-man.
These Noynoy cult apologist never blames Noynoy, they always blame someone else.
Blame everyone and everything but never Noynoy.
its called “patriotism: you ought to try it some time…wag puro bili ng bahay sa tate lang 🙂
another shameful scenario for all Filipinos. Dysfunctional police in full view of the world! it’s very clear that equipments, training and skills weren’t really necessary. DILG, PNP, Mayor of Manila didn’t have any common-sense plan at all. I doubt if the heads of these departments even sat down together and exchanged brilliant ideas. They didn’t even know that the bus had radio and TV, if they knew, they should have ordered the media to shut up! My gawd simple common sense!!! The bungled incident was done by stupid PNP personnel who were merely following orders from stupid superiors who didn’t have a common sense game plan. They should all resign! Mahiya naman kayo! For 12 hours the world was watching! No brains pala kayo!
pilipinaskoh…haba,
Ito kasi training nila, tingnan mo…
http://www.facebook.com/?ref=logo#!/photo.php?pid=6884649&id=292744600852&fbid=465508890852
The Philippines made it to Guinness World Records:
The most dysfunctional and retarded government in the world
@jug nakaka 1 million tokens na siguro ang mga ito hindi pa nananalo(na ubos na kinotong nila)! this game needs common sense to win and they don’t have a single byte of that hahaha!
In most countries although its not a treat for national security but even a single citizen or individual who’s life threatened or put in danger in a standoff situations covered by media , the head of state do his/her part to fix the mess. Here in the philippines our president showed up after the damaged has done. After the incident what shook me off was a confirmed report regarding these PNP men who took souvenir pictures right at the site of the crime in front of the tourist bus and all these was published in papers all over the world like Hongkong primarily. Nakakahiya tayo!!!
In most countries although its not a treat for national security but even a single citizen or individual who’s life threatened or put in danger in a standoff situations covered by media , the head of state do his/her part to fix the mess.
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What countries?
The most dysfunctional and retarded government in the world
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What about Haiti? or Somalia? lipat ka na lang kaya dun?
25 August 2010
Ang muli kong panawagan ay ang pagkakaisa ng mga mamamayang Pilipino. Hindi mawawala ang sinasabing “dysfuntional system of governance” sa Pilipinas kung ang lahat na lamang ng kamalian ng mga tao, gobyerno -nakaraang mga administrasyon man o ang kasalukuyang pamahalaan,e wala tayong ptutunguhan, kundi pabagsak lalo sa hukay na tayo rin mga mamayan ang humihila pababa.
Hindi ko sinasabing malinis ang aking pagkatao, dahil sa ako rin naman ay may mga hinanakit at puna sa ating gobyerno, subalit ano ba ang maitutulong natin kung palagi na lang natin hahanapin ang kamalian ng bawat isa lalo na ang ating gobyerno.
Hanapan natin na paraan na mai-ahon ang ating bansa at itigil na natin sana ang paghamak sa atin sarili, at uulitin ko “ang kasiraan ng isang Pilipino ay kasiraan ng buong bansa”, huwag natin hayaan na hamakin ng ibang bansa ang iisang bansa natin, ang PILIPINAS.
Pagkakaisa ang ating kailangan.
prans.
Here we are again, throwing blame at ourselves, putting ourselves down, samantalang there are other countries who have done much worse in calamitous situations like this one. Oo nga there were shortcomings, things could have been handled differently(hindsight is 20/20), but crazy people like this corrupt x-cop are explosive and unpredictable. This terrorist had alrady made up his mind to commit suicide and take as many innocent people with him.
It’s unfortunate about the innocent people who were murdered by this terrorist. It doesn’t really matter if they’re Chinese or not – People are people! And the Chinese officials should get off their high horses. They themselves deal with terrorists as well as militants in their own country and they screw up with that on a regular basis.
good point pranning, its good your comment is contrary to your user name, matino ka pala hindi pranning
What countries? What about Haiti? or Somalia? lipat ka na lang kaya dun? Search for yourself and you will see the factual basis. Im thinking that you are related to the ground commander gunggong
Jug, nag aalburoto at nag mumultiply na naman si artsee..tsk..tsk..
@46: you prefer Head of Government, knock yourself out. I prefer the one on this tread.
There are some instances that the negotiators were arms length away from the hostage taker and during those times, the armalite rifle was not raised. The two negotiators should have dragged the suspect out of the bus or that the snipers on top of the Quirino grandstand should put the suspect out.
Why didn’t they do that? Is it because the suspect is their former colleague? If it were a civilian, most likely, he is already dead in the early hours of the incident.
I may not like Cong. Edcel Lagman for many reaasons one of which is his being a lapdog of Gloria but I agree with him when he said that “heads should roll”.
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingnews/nation/view/20100825-288703/Heads-should-roll-over-hostage-crisissolon
Majority of Noypi commenters around the globe are pointing fingers at PNoy…anak ng hueteng…the man is barely three months in office. Give him a break! The previous regime pocketed what were supposed to be for equipments, accessories, and for the cops’ training.
Some outrageous jerks who seemed to have no clue of the Philippines are spreading the word the gunman was a muslim.
Nex time, maybe noypi media (tv) should broadcast live any beheading of a foreigner hostage to jack up their ratings.
http://www.gmanews.tv/story/199356/jackie-chan-tweets-about-quirino-grandstand-hostage-incident
Jackie Chan tweets about Quirino Grandstand hostage incident
TJ DIMACALI, GMANews.TV
08/25/2010 | 11:49 AM
ground commander and Gen Magtibay have gone on leave pending investigation, this is an act never seen during gma’s regime, kapit tuko lahat mga gov’t officials noon tulad ng dating presidente, ngayon may hiya na at delicadeza tulad ng kasalukuyang pangulo, malaking pagbabago
Jackie Chan, my idol. Very sensible guy if you ask me.
Sorry, there is no such a thing as a training period for a president. Either you have the leadership or none at all. Leadership is a natural trait. Now I am afarid that if there will be bigger problems, I wonder if Pnoy can cope up.
Dapat lang at that crucial period Noynoy should not bother answering any outside calls. Its a mere show of flexing muscles by the Chinese. Does Mr. Tsang really thinks Noynoy was taking a nap at the time monitoring the situation in his dream? He should not have called and save his face.
No doubt the whole event was chaotic. It was unexpected. The rescue plan was ill structured. Looks like a last minute kind of plan. The Pilipino culture is a culture of tolerance and forgiving unless of course when one is provoked. It could have been a peaceful ending.
Of the many reactions here, in my personal opinion, the best is Praning’s. Thank you for your sensible post, Praning.
It does not help to point fingers based on speculations. Sana tignan din natin how we can help aside from posting negative remarks all over lalo na yung mga nasa Facebook – for so many people around the world to read. May delicadeza pa rin sanang natitira kung talagang may pagmamahal sa bayan. Piliin at pag-isipan ang consequences ng mga isusulat. Ang layo ng mararating nito. Walang pinagkaiba sa sinasabi ng marami na “irresponsible media” tayo ring nagcocomment kasama sa naghahasik ng bagay na nababasa ng madla.
JACKIE CHAN!!!! My Idol!! Bukod sa magaling, malawak din ang pang unawa ni IDOL, walang fingerpointing!!
Ka Baycas, salamat sa link. Tutal maiksi lang naman, ireproduce ko na yung post ni IDOL JACKIE.
http://www.gmanews.tv/story/199356/jackie-chan-tweets-about-quirino-grandstand-hostage-incident
“Action movie superstar Jackie Chan provided a voice of reason and extended a hand of friendship to Filipinos over the recent hostage crisis via his verified Twitter account, @EyeOfJackieChan.
Jackie Chan explained that he had just arrived in Hong Kong from South Korea and was shocked to learn of the tragic hostage crisis at the Quirino Grandstand in Manila last August 23 that left eight tourists from Hong Kong dead.
“this kind of things always happen around the world. It happen to hk’s people, the whole hk is talking about it. Its really sad,” the movie star said at around 11:40am (Philippine Time) on August 25, 2010.
“If they killed the guy sooner, they will say why not negotiate first? If they negotiate first, they ask why not kill the guy sooner? So sad,” he added.
In a magnanimous gesture, Jackie Chan extended a hand of friendship to Filipinos:
“HK is a nation built by a lot of different people..don’t worry! We do not hate!” he Tweeted.
“Humans should be united and not kill or hate each other,” he also exhorted”
Hindi kaya si Noynoy din ang binoto ni IDOL JACKIE at hindi nya sinisisi o pinaghahanapan ng butas si Noynoy sa nangyari? Go JACKIE!!
that’s ATTITUDE, that’s why Jacky Chan is very successful in life, he has correct ATTITUDE!
The test of a true leader is in time of crises. This is the time that usually a great leader emerges, stands ten feet tall and takes full control of a situation. Sadly nobody and I mean nobody took charge and the result shows it all.
Noynoy as the president is not obligated to make the negotiations. There are authorities who are supposed to be experts in those situations. So in the first place we can not put the blame on him.
Looking back at reports, he was not seen anywhere and can not be disturbed because he was all the time busy monitoring the situation. So he was monitoring and what did he saw on TV or heard in the radio or what are the reports he is receiving from the ground? Then he must have known that nothing was going anywhere, the situation was so fluid, not under control and nobody is in control. And if nobody is in control in a situation where lives are at stake, somebody, even the president should take the lead and takes control.
The hostage taker was also glued on TV, and Noynoy as the president when he sensed that nothing concrete has been on the table, should have taken the lead, appeared on TV and plead with the hostage taker. He doesn’t even have to leave the palace, just ask the TV station to send a crew and make a direct appeal to the hostage taker and assure him that his case will be looked at, then maybe that will be the “game changer” and we might be seeing a different ending of the crises. He maybe the president and doing so will not debase the honor of his office and he has nothing to loss but everything to gain. What we have here are human beings and saving their lives is paramount.
As the crises came to a grim ending, weak and indecisive leadership, local and national have been exposed. And as usual, just like in the movies when police and authorities arrive at the scene, Noynoy when finally has the time, arrived at the site of his inauguaration the “game is already over”
Noynoy as the president when he sensed that nothing concrete has been on the table, should have taken the lead, appeared on TV and plead with the hostage taker.
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Naloko na, kahit sinong presidente hindi gagawin to.
florry,
If this happened in Chinese soil, ni negotiation wala na, media blackout, patay ang hostage taker kasama and mga collateral damage (hostages) tapos babalitaan na lang tayo…sheeessh
Sorry, there is no such a thing as a training period for a president. Either you have the leadership or none at all. Leadership is a natural trait. Now I am afarid that if there will be bigger problems, I wonder if Pnoy can cope up.
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Nope. You have to be chosen to lead to be a leader…maraming ngang leader kuno, wla namang gusto…
Diagnose first before you prescribe…masyado lang tayong nasanay sa mga pasikat, pa pogi points na politiko kaya gusot natin may bida tayong nakikita palagi…kaya nga may ground commanders who are “trained” to handle these situations, anong gagawin ng presidente dito? magmamagaling? panggulo lang…let the experts handle the issue…hands off muna tayo, hayaan natin yung marurunong ang mag asikaso…
Jug: “Naloko na, kahit sinong presidente hindi gagawin to.”
Hahahahah! That’s true.
“ground commander and Gen Magtibay have gone on leave pending investigation”
Good start!
“And just as inept and incompetent are his communications secretaries who, in trying to repair the damage to Noynoy, went to the extent of claiming that Noynoy was not aware that Tsang was trying to get in touch with him, while another claimed that Noynoy was following the crisis situation in a restaurant near the area where the hostage situation was taking place, together with his officials.”
http://www.tribuneonline.org/commentary/20100826com2.html
Ang kakapal naman ng mukha nitong mga yellow media liars.
“Told about Tsang’s statement, Aquino said he did not know about Tsang’s call and that nobody told him about it.
When Tsang called, the one who took the call didn’t know who Donald Tsang is. Following the instruction, the staff member did not pass on the call to Aquino.”
Wow, that’s an A1 LIE from an A1 source. Trying to do a cover up for their Liar-in-Chief.
So, what is next? You are going to published another liar tools like SWS telling the public that according to their survey it did not really affect their incompentent leader following the hostage crisis and 90% approved the handling of it.
Jug, if we go into international business like tourism, our standards should be at par with the international market.
Stop being a defender for Pnoy. I know he means well but if we keep shielding him from his lapses, tayo rin ang mapupulaan. He is the face of all of us.
I do not agree that he should have gone out and pleaded with Mendoza to release the hostages but he could have made sure that his people who are assigned to do the critical tasks should have employed the best negotiator, best SWAT team and the best equipments. He could do these behind the scenes.
SWS should be brought to court to expose their lies on how they manipulated their surveys.
Kaso mo, not only was Pnoy nowhere to be found, his reaction was delayed. When he showed up tatawatawa pa siya sa kapalpakan ng mga tao niya. Yan tuloy lalong nagagalit ang mga Intsik.
but he could have made sure that his people who are assigned to do the critical tasks should have employed the best negotiator, best SWAT team and the best equipments. He could do these behind the scenes.
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anong ginagawa ng mga generals niya, kaya ba ng pinakamagaling na presidente ng buong mundo na mag train, equip, etc ng swat team sa isang araw lang?
of course I will defend him, he is my president, its my duty…hindi galit ang mga intsik, wala silang sinabi na galit sila…
in fairness to the police, everything was going smoothly until the brother came…
ug, if we go into international business like tourism, our standards should be at par with the international market.
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susmaryosep! Mumbai? did the PM of India apologize to anyone? Bali? 911? nobody can assure anyone of 100% security…kaya may kasabihan – shit happens…
sorry, pero ang turo sa akin, “defend the absent” you should try attending Steven Covey sometime…
xman,
utang na loob, you’re making an idiot out of yourself…bang your head on the wall, pleeeasse!
Yung mga galamay ni putot, nagiingay na naman. Mas magaling daw si putot sa mga ganitong eksena. Heh,heh,heh.For NINE years ni hindi man lang niya natrain ang mga SWAT team. Ni hindi siya nakabili ng gas mask at bullet proof na panangga, helmet atbp.Ginamit ang pera sa mga euro generals. Tigil ka na putot at ang mga alipores mo!
Panoorin nyo ito:
http://hk.dv.nextmedia.com/template/dv_channel/index.php?fuseaction=dv15.player&mode=section&id=4104&range=d&dv_iss=20100825&sort=view&iss_id=20100825&sec_id=4104&art_id=14380438&av_id=14380873&page=1
“Naloko na, kahit sinong presidente hindi gagawin to.”-jug
May I ask bakit hindi gagawin ng sinong president? Bakit mawawala ba ang pagka-presidente kung makikipagusap sa tao? Practicality and common sense work in situations like this. He is the president and when all things fail, his influence and power can make the difference. And can you show me a law or a rule that prohibits a president from talking or negotiating to a hostage taker? And even if there is, there’s always a first time and very reasonable too; to save lives.
As you see, I said that the president is not obligated to make negotiations, but it is incumbent upon him if a situation begs for his input and wants to help in saving lives. Hostage taking is unpredictable but the general conclusion is there will be casualties. With that in mind and seeing that negotiations with the people in charge is going nowhere, it is but proper to inject his ideas. What was he doing all the time? Monitoring the TV screen and just waiting for the inevitable to happen na magkaroon ng magpatayan? Ganoon nga ang nangyari.
You’re too much of an apologist, more than Coloma and Carandang combine. Maybe sometimes you can look at the practical side of things and not blindly defending every move and things that Noynoy touches.
Anyways, what kind of leader do you have in mind?
Jug, we do not mean to gang up on your “president”. Be objective.
Since when did someone ran for President or Prime Minister and one of his job is to be in charge of hostage taking?.? What if this type of incident is on a monthly basis?.? Jug had articulated and I agreed, there are supposed to be experts on this field in every government, it’s unfortunate they’re unprepared. And if Florry or PSB can copy and paste any president or prime minister who took charged of any scenario similiar as this, I’d like to see. I’ve already stated somewhere in this post that even governors of any state in the US don’t get tangled into this scenario sinve he have trained people to do such. Some of you are just amplifying this accident due to the nature of the citizenry of those involved. You folks won’t be mouthing of these rhetorics if those killed were poor co-citizens of ours, let’s be realistic.
Tru Blue, I did not say Pnoy should have stepped into the ring. I said he could have orchestrated the rescue behind the scenes by employing all the “BEST” people for the job and enabled them to do their job.
By the way, I read recently that at the height of the Russian fires, the Prime Minister took a plane and supervised the ground operations to put out the fires. But I did not say Pnoy could have done this too. I only said, he should have “supervised” and “managed” the situation. If he did that, no one can “fault” him for not doing anything.
Hindi nakilala ng tumanggap ng tawag si Donald Tsang…maybe kung sinabi na siya ay si Donald Trump o kaya si Donald Duck ipinasa niya kaagad kay PNoy..
..nangyari na ang nangyari..yes, maraming mali..pero arguing about them now will not help us now…we have to move forward…yes we are a weak country..pero this happened for a reason and for the best reasons (all we can say and pray is “Thy will be done Lord)…and in a moment like this when we are weak we become strong..we will become a better and stronger country because of this…tayo ang pagbabago..God will not abandon us…hindi ba ang sabi ni Jesus…”Do not be Afraid..do not worry…believe in God, believe also in me..” magagawa natin ito…remember ang sabi natin “ako ang simula ng pagbabago”? so let us do it. let us all be united..Isang bansa! Isang Diwa!
Nanduon si Robredo, dahil narinig ko siya sa interview sa TV. Hindi ba under his control ang PNP? Nagmonitor lang siya o nanood lang, wala ganoon lang ginawa niya. Ngayon gusto na isang solon masibak siya,–DAPAT!!!, mukha siyang mahina, sa tingin ko.
I think the DILG chief should submit his resignation (police chief should also do the same) — up to president to accept it or not. Not only could such an action take off some of the heat but it would also show a bit of delicadeza and civility at the very least. The only decent thing to do under the circumstances.
Heads must roll not only at the ground operational level but high up in the hierarchy.
“And if Florry or PSB can copy and paste any president or prime minister who took charged of any scenario similiar as this, I’d like to see”.= tru blue.
Just because there’s no precedent means it’s wrong for a president to take care of business. In my post, I said that the president is NOT obligated to do negotiations, unless he WANTS to, and if in his discretion he can do something to prevent from escalating, especially in this case, where the world is a witness to the incompetence of the police.
What I am saying is his own initiative for the sake of saving lives, hindi yong nakaupo lang na nanood sa TV at parang nagpapalaki ng balls at hinihintay yong climax na patayan, so they said it’s like a movie, baka akala niya pelikula yong napapanood niya, o baka naman nag-panic lang.
In your case if you can do something to avert or to calm down a very serious situation which will result in the loss of lives, and if you know that you can make a difference between life and death, will you not do anything about it? If you just stand there and shake your head, then you are in the same league. You can see it coming and you know it will be horrible yet, will you just sit down there and contented yourself watching, waiting for that inevitable?
Even if there’s a law or a rule banning a president from negotiating, sometimes it’s justified to break a law or rule if the end will result in the satisfaction of everyone. The end justifies the means.
In fact Noynoy will not loss a strand of hair in doing but even gain pogi points by talking to the hostage taker. At least he shows to one and all that after all he is a leader who knows when to rise to the occassion. For once he should have done that to show a quality so much lacking in him.
Now if you can you show me a law or a rule local or international that prohibits a president from talking or negotiating to a hostage taker I’d like to see it too.
Masasakit na salita ang binibitiwan hindi lang ng mga taga-Hong Kong kundi pati na ng taga-ibang bansa.
Lalo sa Hong Kong, paano ka ba naman igagalang ng mga yon? Yung Kongresman natin nahulihan nila ng cocaine, nakakulong doon. Nung isang linggo, kumalat yung video nung napakasagwang torture ng mga pulis. Ngayon naman, hinostage yung mga turista nila ng isa pang pulis, tapos yung nakakahiyang rescue, pinalpak pa ng kapwa pulis din.
Putang ina, kahit siguro ako ang maging Hong Kong Chinese, masahol pa diyan ang aabutin ng mga Pinoy, hindi lang siguro sa internet.
Letse, kaya hindi tayo magising sa katotohanan, hindi natin matanggap ang ating mga kapalpakan, lagi na lang denial. Turo dito, turo doon. Paano natin maaayos ang problema kung sa simula’y hindi natin matanggap na may problema.
Pabayaan nating magdebate ng magdebate. Huwag nating pigilan ang gustong magsalita. Pakinggan ang lahat ng reklamo, kahit pa masakit. Mas malalim ang epekto kung mararanasan ang sakit. Hindi panahon ng pagtitimpi, ang mahalaga lumagay tayo sa tama.
Ang tama ay laging tama, ang mali, mali.
Hindi ako pabor na itigil ang pagkritiko sa gobyerno, sa pulis, sa media, sa lahat ng Pilipino, kahit sa akin. Hindi tayo magma-mature bilang isang lahing may dignidad hangga’t hindi tayo matutong tumanggap ng masasakit na puna.
Ang unang hakbang ng pagbabago ay nagsisimula sa pagtanggap na merong kapalpakan. Walang puwang ngayon ang paghuhugas-kamay.
“If this happened in Chinese soil, ni negotiation wala na, media blackout, patay ang hostage taker kasama and mga collateral damage (hostages) tapos babalitaan na lang tayo…sheeessh” – jug
I didn’t know that you have a sense of humor.
Comparing a communist country to a democratic is comparing apple and orange. We all know that there’s no freedom out there, everything is restricted, more so of the press, but I can’t make myself understand the comparison. It’s not just out of this world, it’s insane.
Anyway, that’s you and I presume you are just making fun….of yourself.
#96-Tongue,
You said it all.
That’s also my philosophy.
When will they ever learn, hear and open their eyes?
Sana nga tuluyan ng mabingi ang mga nagbibingibingihan at mabulag ang mga nagbubulabulagan.
Tama ka Tongue. Puro apologies na lang ba at justifications ng kapalpakan natin ang kaya natin? Granting pumunta sina Binay etc sa HK at China, ano ang magagawa nun? Gagastos lang sila ng pera. Kung yung gastos nila eh ibili na lang ng bullet proof na kagamitan, gas mask at iba pa na magagamit ulit. O kaya, mag-hire ng mga experts na dayuhan para ma-train ang kapulisan, mas effective pa. We need personnel training and equipments and these are none negotiable!
“Letse, kaya hindi tayo magising sa katotohanan, hindi natin matanggap ang ating mga kapalpakan, lagi na lang denial. Turo dito, turo doon. Paano natin maaayos ang problema kung sa simula’y hindi natin matanggap na may problema.”
Nag umpisang lumabas ang kapalpakan ng pulis/militar noong panahon ng martial law. sasabihin ninyo ayan na naman babanatan na naman ay si marcos. martial law ay ‘batas militar’. jan nag umpisang matoto ang mga pulis at militar na umabuso. nakatikin kasi ng power. walang makapalag kasi martial law nga. hanggang ngayon ang istilo ay hindi nagbago. pinalakas pa ni gloria na ginawa niyang kakutsaba. wala ring ginawa ang mga nag-alsa kuno na sina honasan, trillanes at iba pa. nag papogi lang, naging politiko. ayun! ginaya siguro nitong hostage-taker na may plano tumakbo sa barangay elections.
talagang denial ang mga pinoy kahit noon pa:
1. si marcos ay hindi nagnakaw sa bayan. ang yaman niya ay nakuha sa ginto ni yamashita.
2. si erap ay walang kasalanan kahit na pumirma na siya ay si jose vilarde. wala rin siyang boracay mansions.
3. si arroyo ay hindi si jose pidal
ang pagkakamali ni Noynoy ay ang hindi pag kontak kaagad sa China at Hongkong. Alam na nila na foreign nationals ang hostages at ang Pilipinas ang responsable sa mga bisita.
OT:
Joke time muna! Masyadong mainit dito!
Dali! Disarmahan kaagad ang mga SWAT operatives na sinibak. Baka maburyong at mang hostage din sila ng mga intsik! lol
hindi ba si putot at si tabbaboy ay nasa Hongkong? ihostage na lang nila in exchange sa nangyari..si Singson ay ikinulong na nila..sa kanila na ang mga ito…
Yung komento ko ay walang isini-single out kanino man dito. Pansinin mo kasi sa internet, lalo sa social networks, dalawang linya ang pinipilahan ng mga Pinoy: yung isa ay sa pagkikritiko at pagpuna kung saan nagkamali. Hindi man magbigay ng solusyon ay alam mo na kung saan magsisimula ang solusyon. Marami ring nagpapanukala ng solusyon gaano man ka-weird ay mapipino rin sa huli.
Doon sa isang linya ako hindi kumporme, yung pinatatahimik ang mga komento o debate o siraan para raw sa pagkakaisa. Sorry, pero sinimulan kasi yan ni Noynoy o kundi man, yung spokesman niya o kung sinumang herodes yung nagpapatakbo ng Facebook account niya. Alam mo naman kung saan yun nanggagaling, doon sa mga guilty sa kapalpakang ito.
Naiintindihan ko na kailangan rin ng Malakanyang ang buomg suporta ng kapulisan, kung ipinagtatanggol man nila ay nararapat lang. Pero para busalan ang taumbayan at media, nalalaglag lang tayo sa kumunoy na magbabalik sa atin sa panahong naghahari ang kapangyarihan ng nakabaril, sa takutan, na pinagtulungan nating ibasura nitong eleksyon.
Sa ganyang pagmamanipula nahulog si Cory noon, nagwakas lang nung maupo ng isang heneral bilang kapalit niya sa Malakanyang. Nung mawala sila sa poder sa panahon ni Erap, inilaglag si Erap at kasabay noon ang pagtali nila sa leeg ni Gloria.
Ngayong si Noynoy na ang nakaupo, pumupustura na naman ang mga ganitong pwersa, kundi ninyo napapansin, ilang sablay na ang dikit-dikit na nagaganap mula sa bombahan sa Mindanao, raid ng mga kampo at estasyon ng pulis, yung video ng torture na matagal itinago at biglang lumabas nung isang linggo, ngayon naman ay ang kahihiyang ibinunga ng palpak na kapulisan ni hindi pa nakakadalawang buwan ang pangulo.
Hindi mo tuloy masisi yung nagkomento kahapon na merong nagmamanipula ng mga kaganapan na ito. Meron nga ba? Ang isyu ba dito ay kakulangan na naman ng pera at ang mga magkakadikit na pangyayari ay iisa ang itinuturo – kakulangan sa pondo? Ano ang masasabi ng Hawaii-five-O? Sinu-sino nga ba ang posibleng may agenda? Sino’ng gustong sumira kay Noynoy? Sinong may gustong siraan ang Pilipinas? Simpleng paglabas lang ba ng hinanaing ito ni Mendoza o sintomas ng napakabulok na sistema ng hustisya?
Mahirap ang spekulasyon, pero alam nating may mga dahilang malalim, meron ding mababaw. Nararapat pag-usapan at alamin maging yung mga “remote” na isyu, dahil ang pagpa-plano ay hidi lang dapat reactive, kundi pro-active. Hindi pa man nangyayari ang problema alam na ang solusyon. Sa ganyang pag-iisip hinubog ang mga tunay na executives.
Hindi makakatulong kung patatahimikin ang isang sektor habang nangangapa pa ng detalye at mga solusyon. Dito ay dapat tulong-tulong ang lahat.
At walang maghuhugas ng kamay.
Raissa Robles pursues why Donald Tsang was not able to get through to President Aquino. her article:
http://raissarobles.com/2010/08/26/hong-kong-leader-tsangs-phone-calls-stopped-with-president-aquinos-aides/
Tongue has a point here. It really boggles my mind why the police could appear to be incompetent, plus the obvious and ominous absence of someone taking command of the whole situation…I’m pretty sure we have experts here, its downright impossible not to have any…before tongue mentioned it, I already had this nagging doubt that this was “deliberate”, “intentional”, incompetence from some people that the president, the whole country – depends on for expertise on matters such as these…
Ridiculous as it may seem (and xman like), could it be that there’s a conspiracy angle to this? Its eerily strange how circumstances seem to pile up…
I haven’t gone as far as Cory though, but I see similarities with the Erap and Pnoy lately – for one, bothe are populist presidents, both do not owe anything to any interest groups, but there is one major theme that seems to be ominously coming out – both are projected as “incompetent” when we know they are not…but sooner or later, with so many blunders and controversies coming out, capitalizing on their weaknesses like “overly trusting” the police/afp, some major players, etc… are there people in the shadows of the corridors of power pulling the strings?
I didn’t like Erap to start with, but the series of events that happened prior to his abdication eerily stands out (but we don’t of speak them)…as if these we contrived somewhat?
…calling xman (our resident conspiracy theorist), what is your take on this?
Raissa’s source is right. PNoy apologists should take note of the timing. Donald Tsang tried to contact PNoy as early as 4PM and not after the carnage took place.
florry/parasabayan,
we’re just exchanging our own personal views, i don’t mean to offend you…i like our exchanges, sa totoo lang, I don’t talk to much about politics to anyone else in the day job and alternate life…you guys complete me…
…and that includes xman too, or ricelander, or morning grain, or whatever persona he crops up every now and then 🙂
hindi nakarating ang tawag kay pnoy. lumang palusot na yan.
…and as I kept watching Pnoy’s press conference following the incident, i can’t help but have these nagging thoughts that something’s not right…but I didn’t want to admit it…
…I remember my NLP (neurolinguistic programming), there seem to be inconsistencies with Pnoy’s speech versus his body language, its subtle at first, but it gets obvious and almost makes him look funny…theoretically, this normally results due to internal conflict or cognitive dissonance, when your behaviour or action runs counter to your belief system…simply put, its as if he didn’t believe in what he was saying, as if he had something else in his mind, or in his heart even?
…I don’t know if anyone agrees with me on this, but judging by what I see, both Erap and Pnoy rule primarily with their hearts…and being populist presidents, they will not hold on to power if they see they don’t have the mandate of the people (or the appearance of)…the major reason I believe why Erap just left Malacanang…”kung ayaw ng mga tao sa akin, their will be done” so to speak…
…can the same circumstances that lead to Erap’s abdication be replicated?
…I have to give Gloria a thumbs up though, she can really lie through her teeth and keep her poise still…
can the same circumstances that lead to Erap’s abdication be replicated?
Jug, eto kinakabahala ko na sinasabi ko sa mga nakaraang thread… yung mga criticism na akala natin maliit pero pagtumagal, dumami at nangingibabaw sa isip ng taong bayan… hindi malayong bumagsak ang gobyerno ni PNoy… nangyari na yan kay Erap… same pattern… niniwala ang mga taumbayan sa mga paninira na incompetent si Erap…
Sa SONA ni PNoy, ito ang pinkagusto kong linya:
Ngunit huwag nating kalimutan na mayroong mga nagnanasang hindi tayo magtagumpay. Dahil kapag hindi tayo nagtagumpay, makakabalik na naman sila sa kapangyarihan, at sa pagsasamantala sa taumbayan.
ayos lang ang pagbatikos pero maging maingat sana tayo at isipin natin na mas higit kailngan ng gobyerno ang suporta ng mamamayan… sabi nga ni PNoy… “Kayo ang aking lakas”!
bayong – August 26, 2010 11:29 am
hindi nakarating ang tawag kay pnoy. lumang palusot na yan.
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Hindi po yan palusot, confirmed yan ni Ellen:
Told about Tsang’s statement, Aquino said he did not know about Tsang’s call and that nobody told him about it.
Inquiries about the incident revealed that while the hostage situation was going on, Aquino was closely monitoring it, and he was talking with police authorities constantly. He told his staff that he won’t be taking any calls unless it’s extremely important.
When Tsang called, the one who took the call didn’t know who Donald Tsang is. Following the instruction, the staff member did not pass on the call to Aquino.
Malapit si putot sa mga Instik so it is not far fetched that the con artist midget (and her alipores) is exploiting the hostage incident to undermine Pnoy. Kaya nga dapat mapagmatyag si Pnoy. Action speaks louder than words.
When Pnoy won, in my earlier blogs, I could smell the plotters. It took over a year for the fatso and the midget to plot ousting Erap. It is a lot easier for anyone of their kind to oust Pnoy. Kaya dapat talaga ang pagpili ni Pnoy ng mga tao niya ay walang mga recycled from the midget’s domain. But now there are some bad eggs in Pnoys camp. Also, kung talagang gusto ni Pnoy na mahango sa kahirapan ang bansa, he should show that he can conquer all odds. In the next six years, he has to be tough. Any weakness he shows will give an ammunition to those waiting in the wings to boot him out.
parasabayan,
I agree…i hope he reconsiders those recycle people, especially the one bound for DND, DFA, etc., proven snakes in the grass…
RE Romulo, I disagreed with Ellen in the past, but I have no doubt Pnoy will be better off without him now…
Jug, Binay and Romulo are on the way to HK and China.
parasabayan – August 26, 2010 1:32 pm
Malapit si putot sa mga Instik so it is not far fetched that the con artist midget (and her alipores) is exploiting the hostage incident to undermine Pnoy.
read this:
http://www.gmanews.tv/story/199443/intl-group-questions-chinas-restricted-reporting-of-hostage-crisis
@97: On his own volition, he can do whatever he wants as president…but meddling on small scale hostage taking and being in charge as you wanted is not sublime. Granted he went along with your thinking and all was well…would he do it again should there be bank robbers who are holding many hostages inside a bank tomorrow, next month? When will his reign as “hostage negotiator” comes to a halt? He did not ran as president to do this.
You and PSB are obviously on the same wavelenght….I’m not with you guys on this one.
“Jug, Binay and Romulo are on the way to HK and China.” – psb
Akala ko ba, protocol is not needed in this situation. Now, we are being subservient. And the noypi ambassador to China
not enough to appease the chinese?
ellen, nagtanong kanina si Alan Cayetano sa hearing at ang ginagamit na example yung Manila Pen incident. Hindi ko alam kung patay-malisya lang si Cayetano o may patama. Sabi niya, “Doon sa Manila Pen fiasco, hinuli ang media, tinalian, saka dinala sa Bicutan. Bakit dito walang ganoon” (not the exact words). Ang tinatanong niya? Si Leocadio Santiago.
Going by the conspiracy theory, (which to me is still shaky at this time) is it mere coincidence that personalities known to be close to the Arroyo regime are playing important roles in this botched hostage rescue and its aftermath?
From Ombudsman Gutierrez, Class ’78’s Santiago & Magtibay, to the holdovers Romulo and Versoza, this is practically Gloria’s regime in action, is it not?
Malas lang ni Robredo dahil kasali siya diyan sa major actors. Sibakin na lahat yan!
If I were Pnoy, I would move heaven and earth to be surrounded by the likes of Gen Lim, Querubin, Trillanes, Faeldon, etc… at least i will be sure that these guys will not work with him for some ulterior motive and will serve him well without closing their eyes to the possibility that they would object, stop, him from doing the wrong thing whether he likes it or not…
BTW, nagulat ako nung mabasa ko sa ANC marquee na ang pumalit pala kay Magtibay ay si Francisco Villaroman. Kung nalimutan na ninyo, ito yung nag-iiiyak sa Senado. Tama? Kagaya ni Mendoza, isa ring decorated na pulis, Most Outstanding pa (Si Mendoza sa Ten Outstanding lang) pero naiyak siya dahil pinagbibintangan siya ng witness na si Rosebud na umaming si FG Pidal ang may pakana nung paninira kina Sen. Lacson, Gen. Acop, at ang napatay na BF ni Rosebud na si John Campos. Ang bintang sa kanila ay droga at kidnapping.
Mabuti naman at nakabalik na pala si Gen. Villaroman. Dapat na ring hulihin yang si Rosebud sa perjury dahil nandiyan ang ebidensiya, hindi natanggal si Villaroman bukod sa pag-amin niya sa media dahil wala na yung sustento ni FG.
Sidenote: Paano kaya kung noon ay naburyong at hinostage din ni Villaroman si FG at Rosebud saka pinarescue sa MPD?
Example of how to complicate an already complicated situation:
Statement of Secretary Herminio Coloma
Presidential Communications Operations Office
The headline of this story is not correct.
When I was interviewed over ABS-CBN this morning, I did not state nor imply any “doubts (that the) HK chief called (President) Aquino during (the) hostage crisis” last Monday, August 23.
The report quotes me as having said, “Di kapanipaniwala yan dahil ‘accessible’ siya sa lahat ng oras.” (That is unbelievable because the President is accessible all the time).
What I referred to as being unbelievable was the claim published in earlier newspaper reports that President Aquino was “inaccessible” at that time.
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Palace exec doubts HK chief called Aquino during hostage crisis
By Christine O. Avendaño
Philippine Daily Inquirer
Reports that Hong Kong Chief Executive Donald Tsang had called President Benigno Aquino III at the height of Monday’s hostage crisis in Manila were “unbelievable” because the President was “accessible all the time,” a communication official of Malacanang said Thursday.
“Di kapanipaniwala yan ’dahil accessible siya sa lahat ng oras [That is unbelievable because the President is accessible all the time],” Secretary Herminio Coloma, head of the Presidential Communications and Operations Office, told ABS-CBN’s program “Umagang Kay Ganda”.
Coloma was reacting to Tsang’s reported frantic phone calls to Mr. Aquino last Monday and his complaint that he could not reach the Philippine leader.
“If [Tsang] called the office of the President, his call will be received. Even if the President left the Palace for a short while, he could still be reached because his mobile phones are with his aides,” Coloma said.
Palace official said that Mr. Aquino was not aware that Tsang had called him but when he learned about it, he called Hong Kong’s top official on Tuesday to express his government’s deep sorrow for the hostage crisis that ended with the death of eight Hong Kong tourists.
Hostage-taker dismissed Senior Inspector Rolando Mendoza was also killed in the 11-hour standoff.
One sleight of the pen and the substance of the story can be changed (twisted). Goddammit — Coloma should shut up. The press will be feasting, savouring, tasting, digesting and then spewing, puking every goddamn word this administration will say on this fiasco. He should stop talking or should choose his words with great, great care!
“Hindi totoo yan” is open to a lot of interpretations!
in retrospect, anyone can say that if we had done this or that this tragedy wouldn’t had happened…Had Pres. Aquino took that call from Hongkong Tsang, an arrangement could have been made or a “deal” or if the driver of the bus may have not given the wrong infos. or the brother “mandhandling” was not seen by the Hostage-taker or if Mendoza was not dismissed in the first place just like most of the alleged wayward police officers (the biggest of them all the Euro Gens) but it will be too very late now…Canada lost it’s two young students and another one is clinging to his life wounded in that incident while their father also perished inside that bus trying to rush the hostage taker in bit to protect his children.
It is time for reflection and perhaps this incident will result in realization by the whole Filipino nation that only them can help themselves…no amount of criticism,experts and comments from anywhere will be able to help until the whole nation will realize that there is something Wrong and it must be Righted now i can go and drive my little boy to his day camp
jug, mali talaga ang desisyon ng LP leadership na tanggihan ang serbisyong inalok ni Trillanes noon. In fact, korek kami dito ng sabihin naming si Trillanes/Magdalo lang ang matitiwalaan nya na magtanggol sa kanya. E takot sila sa Magdalo dahil baka mag-coup, no foresight sila. Need I say more about LP’s major major mistake of not taking in their wings Trillanes and fellow Magdalo.
#121-tru blue
Where we are is today, not tomorrow or the future. That’s what we are talking about now.
Nobody can predict what’s coming except the One up there and so it’s nonsense to extend the discussion to cover some times and somethings that are still unknown that may or may not happen.
If ever the time comes, that’s the right time to talk again, because there’s always a change in every situation and what happened the other day can not be the exact duplicate of what will happen tomorrow. The police may have learned their lessons from here and they may be better prepared next time and no more need for the commandeering of the president. Who knows, maybe no casualties this time, no one can ever tell. So discussions will be on a different format and level.
And by the way, nobody here said that the president did run to be a hostage negotiator.
Ah florry… the here and now and the speculations with glaring bureaucratic red tapes can not marry. Dami ng patay nagtataguan pa sa telepono, hahaha!
“Where we are is today, not tomorrow or the future. That’s what we are talking about now.” – florry
Nagpalusot pa..tsk…tsk…
Your statement in this very topic we’re discussing is so misguided and you know it….it’s not even an opinion. It’s a fact you can’t come to grips to. Akin to your hatred on this president….and PNoy barely three months in to office most of your comments were nothing but negative. I was not a Noynoy supporter then but to disparage him on almost every issue because of a negative motivating factor is downright worthless.
Corruption, the economy, national security, npa’s and abu sayyaf, and foreign policies will be key issues we can zing him for as we watch his administration unfold.
#133 – tru blue
To repeat, where are we now? We are here today, not bukas or in the future. Now can you show me where’s the palusot in there?
Ngayon sino ba nagpapalusot sa atin. We are talking about the present, about the hostage crises about the role of the authorities and about what could have been and at the snap of your fingers, we are in the future talking about something that is still or may not even happen, about bank robbers holding hostages, etc. You assumed that siuation never changes that it’s stuck in the mud and the solution will still be the same. You even think that after learning hard lessons from what happened, improvements will never be done. That’s not thinking outside the box.
I can see that labeling my statements as misguided or not even an opinion and at the same time change your channel is a sign of desperation that you can not defend your side. Stick to issues and not dance around it or skip it.
As for me I always stick to an issue that I brought up.
Oh, yeah you raise issues about hatred of Noynoy, corruption, economy, key issues, etc which are completely out of the issue that we are discussing in this thread. What makes you brought it up anyway?
So who is channel-hopping or making palusot between us.
“So who is channel-hopping or making palusot between us.”
You are. Read your posts specifically the one you made on August 25 @ 4:02pm. Just everyone else, we were reading all reports coming in as fast as they are reported, and what struck me is your sarcastic knack to predict PNoy and Mendoza’s move and thinking…you should apply as Hostage Negotiator for PNoy or whatever state or country you live. You will certainly do the right thing and save countless lives.
Until such time we see a president or prime minister of any country in the forefront of low level scale hostage taking on the streets or bank….I’ll not sing kumbaya with you.
As i’ve said, even a state governor in the US will not step up to the plate and pretend to be John Wayne. First, there is the Mayor, sherrif, and state attorney general that will be involved; advising the governor and maybe making some inputs here and there only.
Let’s agree to disagree.
“Just like everyone else”
tru blue,
Oh, so it’s me, but I can’t see myself forecasting and talking future hostage-taking in bank robberies, asking again the president’s intervention which are all obviously hypothetical at the present circumstances. I also can’t see myself raising some issues outside the issue. If that’s not channel-hopping I guess you have another name for it.
If you still didn’t get it, what I said was something to this effect, in a given situation where lives are stake, in the president’s OWN VOLITION he can make a direct intervention if he knows that he can avert or control the situation and save lives.
What’s wrong with that? In the first place, I DID NOT say that he ran for office to be a hostage-negotiator. And the more that I DID NOT say that it is the DUTY of the president to be a hostage-negotiator. In fact I said that he is NOT obligated to do it. Can you not see or understand the difference?
If you know that what you do or what you say will save lives, why not do it. He doesn’t have to go at the scene, he can do it at the comfort of his office and out of danger. He will not loss anything he will not reduce his office to a low level, in fact it will be an honor for him, showing a strong and decisive leadership for preventing a bloody murder of innocent lives. Can you imagine a headline; “Phil prez saved the day for HK tourists”
If you know that your people are all palpak, make yourself available. As the president the possibility that he can prevail over that nuts is not a longshot. It’s just the dictate and matter of one’s conscience if how one can just take it sitting down and watch the screen and see helpless people being fired at and killed when in your conscience you know that you can make a difference between their death and survival.
So in a crisis, just because a president doesn’t have that thing in his job description, he doesn’t have to do it. In the meantime if he is thinking about demeaning his office by doing it, he can shelve it at the moment and think of himself as being an ordinary citizen doing a job of saving innocent lives.
In the same way that it’s also not written in the constitution that he is forbidden to do it.
“Can you imagine a headline; “Phil prez saved the day for HK tourists”” – florry
Can you imagine a headline; “Phil prez shot dead by a mad dog hostage taker as he tried to play John Wayne!” Now what?
“If you know that your people are all palpak, make yourself available.” – florry
This is the of kind of statement you make that just make me shake my head. Make yourself available meaning take charge, ganun di ba? Kasi palpak na nga lahat eh. So what triggers your mind to make assessment that he could better than the ones who were supposed to had been trained in that type of situation?
This situation was fast paced…personnel trained forgot their training, and high ranking officials involved were all dazed..can’t come up with coherent ways to alleviate or solve the situation. Firing his cabinets is not the answer as most here are calling for. We are cognizant it was a total failure…and if the second time around the result is identical, then firing all those responsible is the logical thing to do.
Cheers to the weekend.
Tru blue
One last thing, who said that the president has to go to the scene?
You are not listening and frankly it’s embarssing. I said he can do it in the COMFORT OF HIS OFFICE and OUT OF DANGER.
I didn’t realize that you believe that an insane hostage-taker can shot dead the president or whoever on the television screen. If your headline happened to happen, as we often say, only in the Philippines these things happen and it will be a very good feature on You tube and not only a good item for weird news section, but a big headline around the world.
Imagine this headline reported by tru blue:
“Philippine President speaking on TV shot dead by a hostage-taker thru the television screen” I think that’s quite long, so to shorten it:
“PHILIPPINE PRESIDENT SHOT DEAD THRU TELEVISION SCREEN”.
Now that’s really funny, very funny!
You give me something to smile about while I sip my coffee.
good night!
You are right, I did missed the next sentence of your post, so di puedeng barilin si PNoy on TV, impossible and will never happen, Mendoza might even miss PNoy, that would be real dandy. However, I rest my case that it’s still not his job to be in the forefront of this type of small scale incidents. The more we become a laughing barn if the head of state is on the lead. Then again, the country did not earn the label “only in da pilipins” for nothing.
Sige, pahinga ka na.