Sa kanyang presscon noong Lunes tungkol sa kanyang pagtalon sa Liberal Party, sinabi niya na kaya daw siya bumaligtad dahil ang sambayanang Pilipino ay hindi makalimutan ang kurakutan ng adminsitrasyung Arroyo at hindi na sila papayag mangyari yun.
Sabi niya ang unang problema daw ni Gilbert Teodoro, Jr , ang kandidato para presidenet ng administrasyon ay ang pagkadikit kay Gloria Arroyo.
Ang pagbabago daw ay mangyayari sa administrasyon ni Noynoy Aquino at Mar Roxas. Kaya daw siya nag-resign bilang permanent representative sa United Nations noong Abril 1.
Alam pala niyang ang kurakutan nina Arroyo, bakit tumahimik siya at nagsipsip sa pekeng presidente? Bakit ngayon buwan lang siya nag-resign?
Siyempre, masarap yata sa New York, tumatanggap ng $20,000 a month, libre lahat.
Alam pala niyang matindi ang kurakutan nina Arroyo, bakit hindi niya hindi ibinulgar noon. Ngayon ba ibubulgar niya?
Naintindihan ko na hindi maaring sumuporta si Davide kay Teodoro na siyang namuno ng impeachment sa kanya noong 2003. Nakalusot siya noon dahil kinampihan siya ng Supreme Court ngunit hindi naman nasagot ang isyu na graft and corruption sa Judicial Development Fund.
Walang delicadeza talaga itong si Davide. Linagay niya bilang vice-chairman ng Bids and Awards committee at vice-chairman ng committee on Halls of Justice ang isa niyang anak na si Joseph Bryan Hillary. Ang anak magrerekomenda sa tatay tungkol sa mga kontrata sa gobyerno. Yan ba gawain ng disenteng tao?
Nang nilalakad pa niya ang pagiging chief justice , lumapit siya sa negosyanteng si Lucio Tan na may maraming kasong nakabinbin sa Supreme Court para irekomenda siya kay Pangulong Estrada. Yan ba gawain ng disenteng tao?
Alam namin natin lahat, kung gaano kalaki ang papel niya sa pang-aagaw ni Gloria Arroyo ng pagka pangulo kay Estrada.
Hindi bakante ang posisyun ng presidente ngunit nagbigay siya ng oath of office kay Arroyo, hindi bilang “acting president” na siyang napagkasunduan ng mga justices kungdi bilang presidente. Siyempre kasama niya ang mga miyembro ng “civil society” na ngayon ay malaki ang papel sa kampanya ni Aquino.
Iyan ang dahilan kung bakit nagkaloko-loko ang bayan.
Labag sa batas ang pagka-appoint sa kanya bilang permanent representative sa United Nations dahil lampas na siya sa 70 taong gulang (71 siya noong 2007) na siyang itinakda sa batas na retirement ng mga political ambassadors. Hindi rin siya dumaan sa Commission on Appointments.
Kinampihan niya si Arroyo sa lahat na mga forum sa New York. Ngayon sasabihin niya “the people cannot forget and tolerate graft and corruption” ng administrasyong Arroyo?
Ang laking ipokrito!
I heartily agree with you. Too bad that still many Filipinos think he is a decent guy. What would it take for us to recognize opportunists and remove them from our midst?
He should just have slipped quietly into anonymity. But I guess he still saw an opening (his son’s candidacy) to perpetuate his ilk. Sometimes I think we are indeed a CURSED people.
Common decency, like common sense is not so common here. We never learn. Wattalife!
Re: “the people cannot forget and tolerate graft and corruption” ng administrasyong Arroyo?
Hilario Davide is a typical super balimbing. Why he tolerated to receive $20,000.00 allowance per month as CA unconfirmed U.N. ambassador? He is a part of corrupt Arroyo regime.
Hi Ellen!
Am just taking a breather (just got back home to drop luggage – but will be driving long distance again tomorrow for a few days) so thought I should find out what’s going on at Ellenville and by gum, I am gobsmacked.
Putanginang Davide yan! Hindi lang oportunista and WALANG HIYANG Hilario Davide na iyan, hyporcrite and corrupt of the cheapest porcine variety ang anakngputang Davide na yan.
Dapat mamatay na ang putanginang hayop na yan!
Davide, you are the scum of the earth, a shithead of the lowest variety — you not only violated, committed the highest crime of treason, sold your country to the highest bidder, you also are taking every Filipino for idiots.
Who the shit do you think you are? You should be hanged, drawn and quartered — you and your entire corrupt retinue in the Supreme Court, you shithead!
How dare you insult us the Filipino people! How dare you show your face to the Filipino people! Hilario Davide, I spit on your face you double-dealing, two-timing, treacherous, treasonous, ex-Chief Injustice of the Supreme Court.
You and your son and your daughter who have pilfered and perhaps, still pilfering the SC coffers, ought to be tarred and feathered, then hanged, drawn and quartered!
I hope Hilario Davide never comes around here — if he does, I’ll do my best to get invited to wherever he is invited and will make a point of highlighting this criminal’s hypocricy by spitting at his face for everyone to see!
Davide, you are the biggest criminal there is when you violated the Constitution and when you treacherously, treasonously swore in that fucking midget — you, who should have fought tooth and nail for the Rule of Law to prevail were the first to violate it.
May you and your family die a rotten death!
Ang pagbabago daw ay mangyayari sa administrasyon ni Noynoy Aquino at Mar Roxas.
Ellen,
Did Aguino and Roxas accept the shithead into the LP fold?
Re: Alam pala niyang ang kurakutan nina Arroyo, bakit tumahimik siya at nagsipsip sa pekeng presidente? Bakit ngayon buwan lang siya nag-resign?
Kasi ia-appoint muli sya ni Noynoy as permanent rep to the UN.
Tuloy ang ligaya ni Davide!
Wow Anna! I truly agree with you 100%! Noynoy and LP needs to reconsider having Davide in their fold. This is the one person they should drop.
Of course Noynoy Aquino welcomed Davide with open arms. Why would he reject him?
Here’s Noynoy’s views on Gloria Arroyo’s men jumping her sinking ship:
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/inquirerheadlines/nation/view/20100414-264162/Arroyos-economic-guru-leaving-her-for-Aquino
Here’s Inquirer’s report on Davide’s defection to LP:
CEBU CITY—The man who went to EDSA nine years ago to administer the oath of office to then Vice President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo, thus making her president on the spot, is now turning his back on her.
Saying the public “can never forget” the corruption in the present administration, former Supreme Court Chief Justice Hilario Davide Jr. Tuesday endorsed presidential candidate Sen. Benigno “Noynoy” Aquino III so the country would have a shot “at real change.”
Davide, who was wearing a Liberal Party campaign shirt, said he was actively campaigning for Aquino and his running-mate, Sen. Manuel “Mar” Roxas II, because “this is the best time for our country really to have real change.”
“That change can only be accomplished through the leadership of Noynoy and Mar … That is exactly the reason why I had to tender my resignation as the Philippines’ ambassador and permanent representative to the UN effective April 1,” Davide said.
He said his term would have ended on June 30. “But I just had to come [home] to be able to enlighten our people on the need to choose the best. So, here I am, campaigning hard, knowing that a victory will be sure for Noynoy and Mar and the entire LP,” he added.
Read the full report here:
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/inquirerheadlines/nation/view/20100414-264146/Davide-hits-graft-in-govt-backs-Aquino
Tinanggihan ang Magdalo na lumalaban sa korap Gloria, but open arms with Davide na nagputong ng korona sa reyna ng korapsyon. Talaga naman!
Thanks, Ellen.
Chi, excellent point!!!!
I simply am gobsmacked.
I would like Aquino and/or Roxas to tell us why they accepted Constitutional violater, treacherous and treasonous Davide with open arms yet said “No way, José!” to the Magdalo Group which, as you rightly say, fought corrupt queen Gloria tooth and nail!
Unless Aquino-Roxas or members of their political wham bang thank you Ma’am political gang can explain convincingly their reason for turning their back and rejecting the young officers’ group (yes, they rejected Trillanes and company), I’m won’t to believe that their values are fucking upside down.
They are opening their fucking arms to every frigging shithead, value-less, morally corrupt Malacanang crony jumping from Gloria’s wretched ship, so tell me what goddamn change are they espousing today? Change of frigging boat? What kind of goddamn change is that and what kind of goddamn change are Aquino and Roxas espousing (spewing is more like it)?
Oh yeah, while I’m at it, here’s a left hand middle finger salute to Davide and his new friends! iy&_ç-(_)à&ççè_mk;m!alà(ço(jkntwxiuy!
but I will still vote for Noynoy and Mar, to include most in their LP Senatorial line-up. Villaroyo land grab issues far outweigh many issues hounding the LP campaign.
For the moment, I’ve got only one LP senatoriable in my short list.
Hang on, is Alex Lacson with LP? If so, that makes two of them from LP in my list. (My list is so goddamn short — that’s because there are so few good men/women up for national election today.)
Biggest defect, problem, shortcoming, etc., etc. of all our professional politicos today — and I mean 99% of them — is that they are MORAL COWARDS!
The junior officers who didn’t quite make it to the gates of Malacanang many years ago (and who could have rid us of these of all those professional political con artists cum shitheads) from whose ranks, some are fighting for their rightful seats in govt are the only ones who possess this very rare commodity: MORAL COURAGE!
Oh yeah, while I’m at it, here’s a left hand middle finger salute to Davide and his new friends! iy&_ç-(_)à&ççè_mk;m!alà(ço(jkntwxiuy! -Anna
Let’s show ’em that our left middle toes also salute them, hahahaha!!!
Some FUCKS (este, facts, pala) about HILARIO DAVIDE in Wikipedia:
“Hilario Davide is the recipient of many awards. In 2002, he was conferred the Ramon Magsaysay Award for Government Service—a singular honor that is the Asian equivalent of the Nobel Prize. He was recognized for his life of principled citizenship and his profound service to democracy and the rule of law in the Philippines (REALLY ?).
He also sought legislative investigations of graft and corruption in government and reported violations of human rights and was conferred 13 honorary degrees in doctoral in law and humanities”.
Fucking shit, I almost puked reading these lies, I mean, accolades. These certainly doesn’t do the man justice.
This is one more proof that whatever/whoever Gloria touches turns into crap. Gibo should take a hint.
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“…tell us why they accepted Constitutional violater” = AnnaDeBrux
Because they (Noynoy et. al) were all part of the power grab, almost everyone in Noynoy’s camp were part of EDSA 2. They too were constitutional violators. Remember??? 😛
Concerning Hello Garci:
In a July 2005 report, it was reported that “Tarlac Rep. Benigno ‘Noynoy’ Aquino III disappointed his colleagues in the House when he voted on Thursday night against the playing of the audio tape, although an overwhelming majority had voted yes.”
http://www.tribuneonline.org/commentary/20100409com5.html
So now tell me, who among the candidates running for the top 2 national post this coming election isn’t part of EDSA 2?
Villar
Gibo
Gordon
Legarda
Jamby
Bro. Eddie
Bayani
Binay
Mar Roxas
Noynoy
Sayang na Sayang, siya ay isang pinuno, malaking haligi ng Kights of Rizal ( sa bansa at buong mundo ), suma-ma din ang loob ko sa kanya, dahil malayo sa isang Rizalistang adhikain ang kanyang mga bungang-nagawa sa bansa, walng iba ang sisihin ang nakaraang panahon ( edsa-2 ) sa halip na tanawin ang pag-asa ng Bayan ( kabataan ). Davide means dividing the nation into worse ( I think he is not plus in the LP. Maybe,he has no choice, a lesser evil decision ). Nag-pagamit sya sa malawakang conspiracy ( Church-CBCP, Military active-retired,reformist society, at almost 90% sectors na kayang bayaran, at linlangin, sa panahong edsa-2. Siguro naman guma-gawa sya ng libro or aklat, tungkol sa kanyang mga FAILURES !!!Mga basahin ng bagong tubo o henerasyon sa 22th century…Baka naman wala na syang
choice o tatakbuhan ng masilo ng malawakang, conspiracy noon ng mga Arroyo and co.( dahil isang Taon pa lamang si ERAP, pinagplanuhan na, pinagbigyan lamang. Mahirap, kasi sa mga naka-pag-aral-“professionals” ang sumalodo sa isang drop-outs from school, na sya ding nangyari ki FPJ ( lalo na mga henaral,PMA-yers, iba pa ).
Anne, re #15. yes, Alex Lacson is with LP. He’s a good man.
Hilario Davide, Joey Salceda, Neptali Gonzales Jr, etc… all PaLaKa stalwarts privy to real condition of their party jumping ships to join Noynoy’s campaign, this is the undeniable proof that PaLaKa is now a broken and fallen party, PaLaKa partymates concede that Noynoy and Mar will surely win the election ….. next party to suffer desertion will be NP ….. LP gets stronger while PaLaKa disintegrate and NP gets weaker everyday as election gets nearer…
gma is now a lameduck president, after ordering her allies to “make gibo win”, PaLaKa stalwarts start deserting gibo and joining LP
Mike,
Binay did not join Edsa 2 even though he was very close to Cory.
Agree with Anne regarding LP senators–few good choices; I am looking at Danny Lim.
leaving a corrupt leader is the right thing to do ……. and instead of accepting the millions offered by villaroyo for them to join NP, salceda, davide and gonzales wisely chose to join Noynoy
hindi ba ang hinahanap natin ay pagbabago sa ating bayan? nagbabago na nga ang mga ito..nagbabago ng partido..are they not entitled to change their parties? malay natin tunay na pagbabago ang gagawin nila..conversion of hearts.. malay natin ito na ang kanilang tunay na pagsisi at pagbabago..give them a break..and a chance to really change and work for a better political system..a better life for the many Filipinos…
which is why i read your blog, ellen, just because I get to know some un-press releases here. having had a short career in writing press releases, i know that there are career “monsters” paying big-time just to stay mabango in the eyes of the reading public. of course, word of mouth, comes handy too. But Davide (I do recall he has been abetting the arroyos eversince) should be un-masked!
malay natin ito na ang kanilang tunay na pagsisi at pagbabago..give them a break..and a chance to really change and work for a better political system..a better life for the many Filipinos… — rose
In that case, and following that premise, Erap should be elected and given a chance to serve the remainder of his unfinished term.
In my view, Davide should be sent to jail to serve as a reminder to all learned men of the law, particularly at the level of the Supreme Court, who propose and to break the Rule of Law and insist on violating the Constitution that they cannot go about life, continue insulting the intelligence of the people, as if nothing happened.
For Davide to warrant forgiveness for hijacking the Constitution, he must first show true remorse in prison!
Hijacking is a crime. Hijacking the Constitution by one who was supposed to be chief magistrate of the law should be punishable by death.
Unless the country’s citizens start to demand retribution of these legal warlords and Constitutional hijackers, there will be no change in Pinas — and as we all know, no change means no progress.
if I am not mistaken Erap has not resigned pero pinagmadali nila at nag oath taking na si putot…hindi ba ito ang sinabi ni Enrile? hindi pa inanounce na ni Fatboy na nagresign na si Erap kaya dali dali nilang pinasumpa si putot?babaero si Erap at lasenggo pero hindi naman ata siya korap hindi naman siya nagnakaw, did he? womanizer,,yes but nagnakaw? corrupt? Ellen, you wrote a book on him..there were no charges filed sa kanya…at the time..yes he was found guilty (by Gloria?)..if people would vote again for him this time ..he is entitled to be given a chance..restitution…mas grabe pa ang prostitution na ginawa ni Gloria (hindi nga siya ng lalaki per se pero binastos niya ang constitution at batas ng bansa) compared to Gloria..Santo si Erap! compared to Gloria santo si FVR..compared to Gloria kaunti ang ninakaw ni Marcos..walang makatalo kay putot she is small but terrible!
hindi ako for Erap but between Gloria and Erap I will vote for Erap million times over…oo nga pala ang sabi nila bobo si Erap…oo nga pala na kickout siya sa Ateneo..pero hindi siya nagnakaw..hindi sa galing sa mahirap at hindi siya yumaman,,,pero his heart is for the poor…kung one to one na maglaban si Erap at si Gloria ngayon..sino sa palagay ninyo ang piliin ng masa?
sino sa palagay ninyo ang piliin ng masa?
Si Erap!
Iniisip ko na nga e…kung hindi ako magbablanko, hehehe!
GAME OVER FOR GIBO AND GMA…………
tinatanong nyo bakit sya tinanggap ng LP? e “GOOD” daw sila e….
grabe…obvious na obvious ang kaipokritohan talaga ng mga tao dyan sa tabi-tabi
Many of us believe that wrongs aren’t wrong if it’s done by nice people like ourselves. ~Author Unknown
HILARIO DAVIDE JR. ikaw ang nag administer ng oath taking ni GMA at nagpasasa kayo sa kapangyarihan for long 9 years hangggang naging special envoy to U.N.receiving a $20,000/month salary or more. Ngayon pababa na si ate Glo baka gusto mo uli siyang samahan sa kanyang pagbagsak hanggang sa kulungan at huwag ka ng umastang tiga liberal para lang maghugas kamay dahil boung sambayanan ay saksi sa pekeng EDSA dos na ikaw DAVIDE ay isa sa mga nanguna para mailuklok si Arroyo na ngayo’y tinatakwil mo na, magsama kayo.
Hindi ba ang hinahanap natin ay pagbabago sa ating bayan? – Rose
Para sa akin dahilan sa ito ang mapayapang paaran para sa pagbabago, ang makiisa sa eleksyon at bumoto, ito ang dapat gawin di ba? Bigyan ng pagkakataon ang eleksyon. If that is the case, then consider the following candidates in my list for Senatorial position for everyone comment. I consider them non-trapo and moderate with progressive leanings (with exception), pwede rin sabihan na represented ang ibat-ibang sektor at experience.
LP Sonia Roco
LP Gen Danilo Lim
LP Neric Acosta
LP Martin Bautista
LP Alex lacson
LP Yasmin Busrao-Lim
LP TG Guingona III
NP Bong Bong Marcos
NP Satur Ocampo
NP Susan Ople
PMP Juan Ponce Enrile
Any comment about my list? Its important that I know.
Sana next election separate na ang election for President and VP, and Senate/Congress para naman mabigyan pansin ang mga kandidato sa senado/kongresso upang masala ang kanilang paninindigan at pagkatao.
When it comes to P/VP, my choice is Noynoy and Mar sunod si Erap and Binay. If villaroyo and loren sinta will get really close to be on top, I have no option but to vote for better alternative who can beat them. kaya importante rin sa akin ang opinyon ng susunod na survey, kung meron pa.
“…salceda, davide and gonzales wisely chose to join Noynoy”. -Christian
Some may consider it a “wise” move, but that doesn’t make those three idiots and opportunist better persons. In fact, by accepting these 3 rats, the LP has is becoming more like the NP. Imbes na sila Davide ang mahawaan ng “GOOD” dahil sumali sila sa panig nila Noynoy na “GOOD” daw ay nadungisan ang kanilang hanay dahil sa tatlong bugok.
It’s not surprising na natutuwa pa na tanggapin ni noynoy at mar roxas iyang walanghiyang davide na ‘yan, pare-pareho lang kasi sila. Sana mabasa ng mga botante ang facebook ng isang taga capiz, ang dami nyang sinulat tungkol sa mga masasamang pinag gagawa ni judy at mar roxas sa capiz for many years now. Grabe pag hindi pala sinusunod ng mga politicians sa capiz ang gusto ni judy at mar roxas, lagot ka, hindi kalang pagalitan, paalisin ka pa. Huwag nalang iboto iyang mga old names politicians.
Noynoy and Mar of LP needs to be really careful about personalities they accept in their fold, especially those who represents “KATIWALIAN” kowtowing with the corrupt pandak regimes…30 days before election, they can lose votes!
@ olan, I wish no Filipino will ever vote for marcos name anymore but it’s your choice and I know they still have many followers in ilocos. Kawawang Pilipinas.
April 1 – Fools day
April 1 – The same day Davide resigned as permanent representative (daw)sa UN whose appointment was was not even temporary but as casual making the administration the laughing stock of the www.
It could be recalled that to accommodate DVD, the acting permanent president, the lucky bitch, unceremoniously kicked out a career diplomat, Amb. Baja.
Napamura din ako nang mabasa ko itong taytol sa itaas.
Tangingang Davide na ‘yan, hindi lang oportunista kundi numero unong sigurista. Alam kasi niyang malaki ang pananagutan niya sa bayan sa pag-administer ng oath taking ni hija de putang gloria noong agawin ang malakanyang kaya sa pagtatapos ng termino ang katulad niyang anay sa lipunan ay humahanap siya ng panibagong makakapitan.
Anak nang letseng chief justice pa naman!
‘Yung pamilya niya’t mga kamag-anak, may sikmura ba sila at natanggap nilang kainin ang galing sa pinagwalanghiyaan ng walanghiyang Davideng ‘yan?
Lintek! Pagkatapos sa Korteng Sobrena ay sa UN naman itinalaga at sumahod ng ISAMG MILYONG PISO bawat buwan? Sa gitna ng paghihirap nina Juana at Juan?
O, ‘yung mga tagapagtanggol ni gloria, ano’ng masasabi ninyo?
Mga peste kayo. Kayo rin ang dahilan kung bakit naghihirap kayo. Idinamay n’yo pa kami.
Sa pagtatapos ng inagaw at ninakaw na termino ng inyong idolong ang ipinagmamalaki ay minaster at dinoktor na degree, yumaman din ba kayo?
Kung minsan, ‘yang pagmamarunong ay nagbubunga din ng kapalpakang mas masahol pa sa katangahan!
Sa pagkapit nitong Davide sa LP, dapat itong pakaisiping mabuti ni Noynoy dahil baka sa halip na ipanalo niya ang panguluhan sa Mayo ay para siyang kumuha ng de doseng pakong ibinaon niya sa kanyang ulo.
Esep esep, Noy!
Ms. Ellen if you don’t mind..tired of media spin and I don’t get answers that make sense. if not let me know.
celia.casa thanks for your comment. I was hoping comment about bong2 as a person and as a Governor before. If he is just, not the past although it’s important to address many issues hounding the Marcoses, especially those human rights cases. In my view, our own government and judiciary drop the ball, that’s why the injustice and I don’t think it’s bong2 fault it happen. I was hoping he has his father intelligence and learned from the mistake of their legacy to make a difference this time around.
Sa pagkapit nitong Davide sa LP, dapat itong pakaisiping mabuti ni Noynoy dahil baka sa halip na ipanalo niya ang panguluhan sa Mayo ay para siyang kumuha ng de doseng pakong ibinaon niya sa kanyang ulo.
Esep esep, Noy! – MPrivera
Agree with you! Dapat kalampagin ang LP. Di ata tama na tanggapin nila si Davide?
Davide is thinking Man…thinking about the future of his children and grandchildren and he knew pretty well that sticking with a “sinking ship” will also expose his own participation in the Piracy that brought that ship crew into Power..time to jump ship and plan that other adventure…He was once the Top Legal Mind in the country..he is always one step ahead of his enemies, that is what he thought, but knowing not that sometimes,even the smartest of them all bound to TRIP.
WOW! So much hate kay former CJ Davide, isa sa mga pinakakamuhiang Pinoy ng mga Erap supporters.
Ako, okay lang na tinanggap sa LP sina Davide, Gonzales at kahit na si Salceda. REalidad sa politika na malaking bagay na may suporta sa local government unit sa pag deliver ng boto. Kailangan ng LP ang boto kaya okay lang, kesa naman magmalinis nga ng LP, tanggihan ang mga dating maka GMA tapos walang boto o magprotect ng boto nila sa local level. Sa ganitong election, may realidad na mahirap iwasan.
it is not surprising that davide went to a suppose to be winning horse, judging from his track record. aquino or the lp on the other hand, to many should not have accepted him since they were adamant to accept the magdalos if not actually rejecting. the only logical explanation is that now it seems that aquino and co is not so sure of winning as at the start. but politics is not always addition, in this case they may lose more supporters than gain.
maiinit mga ulo ng mga tao ngayon dito ah… sadyang nakakapanginig laman ang mga leader ng bayan na magnanakaw, oportunista at sakim sa kapangyarihan at salapi…
ngunit sa situasyon ngayon… walang problema sakin kahit sinong Poncio Pilato, Hudas, Barabas o Hestas ang umanib sa LP… iboboto ko si Noynoy at Mar dahil sa 2 rason na inaasahan kong gagawin ng mag parter na ito:
1. Ipakulong si Gloria Arroyo kahit anong mangyari.
2. Tuparin ni Noynoy ang pangakong “Hindi ako/kami magnanakaw”!
Kung iyang 2 panagako na yan ay hindi natupad… ibang usapan na yan!
Ito talaga si Ma’am Ellen, komo si Noynoy ang sinusuportahan ni Dating SC Chief Justice Davide ay sabihin na kaagad na Super Oportunista.
What if si Villar ang sinusuportahan ni Davide? Are you going to praise him high and heaven?
chi – April 15, 2010 2:10 am
Tinanggihan ang Magdalo na lumalaban sa korap Gloria, but open arms with Davide na nagputong ng korona sa reyna ng korapsyon. Talaga naman!
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Chi, matagal na naming gustong malinawan sa issue na “tinanggihan ng LP ang Magdalo”
Please see the last portion of this thread:
http://www.ellentordesillas.com/?p=10418
Kailangang maging malinaw ito dahil nagkakaron ng maling impormasyon at paniniwala sa ganitong issue…
salamat!
Di ba sabi ni Noynoy na may taga admin na lilipat sa kanila next week at magugulat tayo. hindi kaya si GMA na yon. Hope so.
Dakdak ng dakdak na naman kayo rito, wala naman kayong magagawa kung puro lang kayo dakdak ng dakdak. Isipin nating lahat habang mga politiko pa rin ang nagpapatakbo ng bansa walang tunay na pagbabago. Sana hindi lang dakdak ang ginagawa natin dito, simulan natin sa ating mga sarili, piliin natin ang mga taong, UNA SA LAHAT, ALAM NATING HINDI MAGNANAKAW SA KABAN NG BAYAN, PANGALAWA, KUNG MABIBIGO MULI ANG POLITICAL EXERCISE NA ITO, simulan natin ang madugong pagbabago. Patayin, lipulin ang mga ganid na politiko, kamag-anak man o kaibigan. Dugo nating mga Pilipino ang tunay na lilinis sa ating bayan. Mabuhay tayong lahat. Si Davide ang halimbawa ng pasibol pa lang na politiko na uportunista na.
Relax mga kaibigan. . .parang bago kayo sa politika sa Pinas. . .Ganun talaga yan. . . habng papalapitg ang eleksyon, politicians will always gravitate to the parties perceived to have the edge come crunch time. . .that’s survival instinct, otherwise maiiwan ka sa pansitan. . . ang mag tumitira kay Aquino, normal na lang na punahin nila yung mga pagkakamali kuno. But of course! Kailan ba may ginawang tama ito para sa kanila? Kita mo ang mga kaibigan natin dito na maka Erap. Di na masyadong lumulutang kasi di na pinag-uusapan si Erap. May balita nga ako na baka mag give way na lang si Erap at suportahan na lang ang isang kandidato e. Pag nangyari yun, naku maraming mauunang mas mabaliw dito kaysa sa pinagbibintangan nilang wacko kuno na si Noy. . . .hehehehhehe
Tingin ko yan talaga ang “nature of the beast that is politics.” Ang paglipat-lipat sa iba-ibang partido, ang batuhan ng putik. Syempre, nandyan pa rin ang pera, last-minute ditching of partymates at karahasan, pati patayan. Sana lamang ay mabawasan ang mga ito. Ganyan din naman ang kalakaran ng pulitika kahit sa ibang parte ng mundo.
Sa palagay ko, Ellen, meron typo error sa artikulo sa itaas.
Kung inyong mamarapatin, hindi kaya’t nagkamali kayo ng pag type na imbes ‘super opurtunista’ ang bansag kay Chief Injustice Davide——diyata’t mas malapit sa katotohanan at higit na makulay ang katagang Super Kriminal?
Super krimen ang ginawa ng Davide Court ang pagdeklara na walang pagkakautang ng ad valorem tax ang Fortune Tobacco ni Lucio Tan sa Kaban ng Bayan, taliwas sa inspeksyon ng BIR na mahigit sa Bilyones ang utang nito.
Super krimen ang naging papel ni Davide sa kudeta laban kay Erap—-may pananagutan seryoso ito sa batas at sa taong bayan.
Kung welcome with open arms ang ganitong klaseng kriminal sa kampo ni Noynoy, ganitong uri din ba ng kriminalidad ang maasahan ng tao sa isang Noynoy administration?
Sa mga defenders ng status quo, ano ‘kamo, wala nga bang problema ang sistema?
#54 perl,
If you have a konek to Noy2, tanungin ninyo siya ng deretso o kahit si kuya Mar, saksi sya. If you read Ellen’s responses to that specific questions in previous loops, yun na.
Like Anna, I’d like the top LP bets to explain this issue themselves, or kahit na si Frank Drilon o Butch Abad, para hindi peke ang report. 🙂
The only candidate I can connect “change” with is the Noynoy-Mar tandem. In my opinion, Noynoy rejected the Magdalo group because the Magdalo group is already against Arroyo and therefore will have no effect on Arroyo. Unlike Davide and the others who defected or will defect to Aquino for they can be excellent witnesses against Arroyo’s corruptions.
Hindi bale na sumapi si Davide sa LP ngayon, talagang ganyan, politics is addition, daw. But, kung manalo si Noynoy, sana hindi siya mabigyan ng importansya sa kanyang administration, pati na rin ang iba na dating kadikit ng mga Pidals.
Pareng Henry,
Nandito pa ako … Erap pa rin ako. Gaya ng sabi ko matalo man oks lang basta’t walang dayaan. Gusto ko mang tirahin ang bata mo pero hindi ko magawa dahil baka matalo nga at manalo ang aso ni Glorya. Nabanggit ko rin dati kung bakit ayaw ko dito sa taong ito dahil na rin sa mga lumalabas na isyu sa kanya ngayon. Sa totoo naman talaga wala tayong mahihita sa kanya kaso nga lang siya na lang ang pag-asa na mabura ang pangalang Glorya sa atin. Kaya oks lang … lol
After dividing the spoils and bleeding the national coffers bone dry, the predators are now on the hunt for greener pastures. Kaibigang Lurker says, “yan talaga ang “nature of the beast that is politics”. I would rather say, “that is the nature of THE beasts in politics”.
In the Philippines, politics is a matter of (personal monetary) convenience. Meaning, there are no permanent enemies nor friends in politics for as long their goals (of stealing) are achieved. Kung nasaan ang pera, doon ang mga buwitre na kagaya ni Davide. It is not public service that they seek. Are you kidding ? They are now moving their asses to be yet in a more strategic position to be nearer Fort Knox. Maniwala kayo na they share the same visions as the man they want to support. ULOL !!! Because our politicians suffer from a debilitating disease called, “NO CREDIBILITY”, the only vision I can think of that they envision they share with the candidate they want to support is their long-term vision to steal yet again and then live and let live.
Do not believe for a moment that these fucking headhunters are running for positions to serve and be called public servants. No sir !!! Once elected, guess who will be the servants ?
Olan: bakit kasama si Enrile?…ok siya dati pero ngayon hindi ba Yuchengco age na siya?..o kaya gaya ni siraulo na naging Sec. of Justice?at this stage of his life hindi ba ba siya ulianin? don’t we need new blood..younger generation sa senate? si Susan Ople ba ay anak ni Blas Ople? re: Bongbong: ok siya..I hope he has his father’s brain and not his mother’s kaartihan…pero I am almost sure Ilocos and Leyte will support his candidacy..
Celia: taga Capiz ka ba? kasi iba ang narinig ko tungkol sa kanilang ginagawa na pagtulong sa Roxas City..marami dito sa East Coast ay taga Capiz..as a matter of fact mayroon silang Capizeno Club..and many of them have good words about the Roxas family..low profile lang daw sila sa pagtulong sa kasimanwa nila..I am just wondering kung taga Capiz ka and being one you know more inside stories…of course depending on what side of the fence you are..pero ang totoo ay totoo…hindi ba?
Someone mentioned above that Erap might withdraw to support another candidate. Problem is, if Erap really withdraws, the beneficiary would be Villaroyo and not the one he’s gonna endorse. Remember that Erap and Villar has the same support group which is the masa or class d an e. The masa who’s for Erap now might or should I say, will probably shift their support to Villar.
And if Erap does withdraw, he won’t support Villar and might go for Gibo or Noynoy. But I doubt if he will withdraw from the race.
O.T.
I like this, please click and read. Nanginginig na siguro si Gloria dito sa sinabi ni Thompson. 😛
http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/04/15/10/washington-concerned-failure-philippine-elections%E2%80%94ex-us-official
‘Obama doesn’t like Arroyo’
Thompson said US President Obama does not like President Arroyo.
“I think he (Obama) doesn’t like her (Arroyo),” he candidly told The Rundown. “(His dislike is) not personal. I think he knows what she’s been up to.”
Ayaw ni Obama ang pandak. Pero si Gloria ang gusto ay isang matangkad. hehhheh. Tingnan mo iyang photo op nila sa nuclear summit ay parang duwende si Gloria.
Nakita ko nga yang interview na yan sa “Rundown”. Sana lang totoo lahat ng sinabi ni Thompson.
eversince philippine election is different from other countries, due to dirty politicking, sanay na ako dyan, sana lahat tayo masanay na at piliin na lang ang KARAPATDAPAT na MAUPONG PRESIDENTE.
Kenny’s failure
The Obama administration has been taken by surprise by the failure-of-elections scenarios because the former US Ambassador to the Philippines Kristie Kenney painted an overly optimistic picture of the country under President Arroyo, said Thompson. (from abs/cbn link #68)
Kenny was/is Gloria’s bff, there’s no surprise why she’d hide the true state of Pinas from any foreign leader, particularly from her own USA. Ayaw na ngang umalis sa Pinas, masyadong nasiyahan at nalimutan ang kanyang trabaho bilang US ambassador.
After more than a year, Obama now listens? Ganyan kawalang kwenta ang Pinas sa mata ng Amerika. Napilitan lang ang Uncle Sam na pansinin ang Pinas dahil sa interes nila sa Mindanao.
Hmmm..meron ng warning si d’Glue from Uncle Sam. OK lang kay unana yan, basta kahit fake ang smile ni Pareng Barak sa kanya ay parang totoo rin sa camera. 🙂
Magulo sa SEAsia ngayon. 23 na ang namamatay sa riots sa Thailand at ngayon nasa commercial district na sila ng Bangkok. Sa Indonesia, 3 na rin ang namamatay sa riots. Siguradong pag nagkadayaan na naman, matinding riots din yan sa Pinas.
Mahihirapang maka-recover ang SEA sa ganyang sitwasyon, pwede pang pamugaran ng bagong rebeldeng mga grupo na lalong magpapasakit ng ulo ni Uncle Sam. Kundi naman ay sasamantalahin ng mga aktibong grupo gaya ng JI, ASG, RSG para makapaghasik ng lagim.
pagnakita natin siya sa labas ng Filipinas,puede natin siyang batuhin ng tai o ihi.kung may baon kayong bagoong,yon na lang,ibuhos sa kanyang ulo.
Tedanz at Erapians, klik ninyo ito. http://www.abante-tonite.com/issue/apr1610/news_story6.htm
Noynoy-Erap magkaribal sa Metro
(Bernard Taguinod)
Pumasok na sa eksena si dating Pangulong Joseph ‘Erap’ Estrada nang maitalang pangalawa kay Liberal Party presidential bet Sen. Benigno ‘Noynoy’ Aquino sa isang survey na isinagawa sa pampanguluhan sa Metro Manila.
Ito ay base sa resulta ng isang internal survey ng ‘Magdalo Group’ na nasa pag-iingat ni Magdalo leader at Sen. Antonio Trillanes IV.
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Oopps, base sa buong storya ay mukhang Noynoy-Erap ang laban, hindi Villarroyo.
Matagal ko nang sinasabi na si Villar ang tuunan ng batikos ng mga erapians at ng makahabol si Erap kay Noynoy. Kung totoo ang survey na ito ay dapat ilabas ni Senator Trillanes, sabay laglag kay Villarroyo na rin.
Idagdag ko na nga para hindi na maghintay si Tedanz.
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Lumalabas sa resulta na nakakuha si Aquino ng 35.6 porsyentong suporta sa Metro Manila at 33 porsyento naman si Erap, habang malayo sa ikatlo at ikaapat na puwesto sina Nacionalista Party (NP) standard bearer, Sen. Manny Villar at administration candidate, Gilbert ‘Gibo’ Teodoro na may 16.8 porsyento at 5.9 porsyento, ayon sa pagkakasunod.
“Sa kabila parang lahat tinatanggap. Sa amin talaga, parang bago namin kausapin may analysis na ginagawa ito ba makakatulong o hindi, ito ba makakasama o hindi [In the other camp, it looks like they accept everyone. In our party, before we talk to those who want to join us, we analyze whether this person can help us or not, whether this person will be good for the party or not],” he said. -Noynoy http://www.inquirer.net
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O kaya pala tinanggihan niya ang Magdalo, sa analysis ng LP ay walang kwenta ang grupong ito sa kanilang partido at hindi makakatulong sa kanila.
This is bull!
Pareng Tedanz:
Ganito lang yan Pare. The enemy(Erap) of my enemy(Villaroyo) is my friend. Kaya friends tayo! lol
Tedanz and Balweg:
Been ruminating for some time on the track record of the candidates; all of them have at least twelve years of government service.
Sama na ako sa inyo. I will go for the man I derided in 1998, in favor of Salonga.
Sumusulat ako ng entry para ilagay sa blog ko na once very six months lang nagkaka-entry) kung bakit ako’y para kay Erap.
Henry90/Perl at iba pang self righteousL
Excuse me! Buhay pa kami dito! Tulad ng marami sa masang Pilipino na tahimik lamang ngayon sapagka’t ayaw laitin ng mayayaban na mga yellow army na tulad ninyo, andito pa rin kami. Baka magulat na lang kayo sa mismong araw ng eleksyon at kikilos na ang masa para iluklok ang taong malapit sa kanilang puso! Erap ang karamihan sa masa pero tahimik lang di gaya ng mga mayayabang na civil society dahilang lamang kayo sa survey ngayon.
At isa pa, diba’t may kayo ang may kagagawan kung bakit nagkaroon ng isang Gloria Arroyo sa Malacanang?
Si Noynoy at Villar ay kapwa may sala sa pagkakalagay kay Gloria sa Malacanang. Sabihin niyo muna sa akin kung ito ay hindi totoo bago ako maniwala sa mga pinagsasabi ninyo.
Sige nga atty. sax, i-link mo lang dito ha?
Less than a month before the election, the truth and reality is – It is either Villarroyo or Aquino and that Villarroyo will do everything in their power, and at all cost, just to win. Me magagawa ba tayo kung nagkadayaan na. Wala, wala at wala.
Ang tunay na laban ay sa dayaan!
Ang idol mo ang may pinaka malaking kasalanan! Kung lumaban sana sya at di nabahag ang buntot, di sana nakaupo si Gloria ngayon. Kaso lang sa pelikula lang pala ang bakbakan nya na ubusan ang lahi. Ganun pag bobo ka kasi. At least, sa lahi ng mga Aquino kesehodang patayin pa(Ninoy) at kudetahin ng katakot-takot(Cory), di umatras sa laban. Sige, hirit pa!
Dito kayo magugulat ngayon …. si Erap ang mananalo ….. landslide. Promise …..
@#65 Hi Rose, yes taga Capiz gid ako. I really wish you can read the facebook of Roxas Capiz, yes that’s his name and someone called Capiz Citizen posted a very long story about the underhand activities of judy and mar roxas in capiz. I think this guy is their allies why he knows everything and he just want to tell the truth. Naku lagot itong mama na ito pag nabasa ng mga roxases ang posts nya sigurado ipa delete iyan.
Kag huo may kilala ako nga kahibalo man sang inside stories.
Celia, thanks for the info…abi ko anay mahamot ang ngaran sang mga Roxas sa Capiz..kag isa sila sang mga bugal sang mga Capizenos..hindi ako taga Capiz but I am proud to be from Panay kung may magdaug na taga Panay..maliit pa ako I saw and met his grandfather, Pres. Manuel Acuna Roxas..he was a good friend of my grandmother’s brother, who became his Press Secretary…Mas kahawig ni Mar Roxas ang lolo niya kaysa kay Gerry na tatay niya…between Loren, Loren Sinta (who is from Antique, and I am from Antique) I would vote for Manuel Araneta Roxas, who I think will do more good for the entire country and not just Panay..but this is a personal opinion..kung hindi man tumutulong si Judy Araneta sa Capiz, I can understand, hindi naman siya tagaroon..pero ngayon puedeng maging next Vice President ang anak niya, and there will be six years for her to do good not only for Capiz but for the entire country…Come to think of it Loren has not done anything worth mentioning for Antique either..kung mayroon man siyang ginawa..perhaps Ellen can answer that…after all she did a news coverage for Loren when she visited Antique…I am pretty positive that something good will happen in the Phil. pagbugtaw ko sa May 11.. but then I am a cockeyed optimist…”a dream is a wish my heart makes” ang sabi nga sa kanta…
Tama si Andres, andito pa kami! Nananahimik lang at pinapanood ang mga batuhan ng LP ni Nyoynyoy at NP ni MoneyV na pareho namang nagkukunwaring mga oposisyon at maka-masa. Matalo man si Erap ay pihadong ipaglalaban ng mga mahihirap sa balota. Sa listahan ni Mike sa itaas ng mga EDSA 2 participants eh magising naman kayo. Maloloko na naman tayo ng grupo ng mga see-evil societies.
Ang mga kapartido at mga Cabinet members ni Gloria ay pinaghahatian ng LP at NP. Aquinorroyo at Villarroyo! Ang mga hunyango! Nag-iiba lang ng mga kulay sa panlabas pero mga elitista at pahirap sa bayan!
Pero may usapang nangyayari between Gibo and Erap. Malamang na si Gibo ang umatras at tutulong na lang sa kandidatura ni Erap. Malamang na ipwesto na lang siya sa isang Cabinet post pag si Erap ang nanalo. Magandang pangyayari ito kung nagkataon dahil matalino naman si Gibo at malaking pakinabang sa Gabinete.
Henry90:”At least, sa lahi ng mga Aquino kesehodang patayin pa(Ninoy) at kudetahin ng katakot-takot(Cory), di umatras sa laban. Sige, hirit pa!:”
Kaya pala ipinatira ni Cory sa mga bataan niya yung mga magsasaka ng Hacienda Luisita dahil nirarally siya at hinihingi ang parte nila sa CARP na ayaw ibigay ng mga Aquino. Remember Hacienda Luisita Massacre!!!!!
Why only NOW nag Resign si Davide e 2 months na lang pala sya sa UN na pa aga lang ang Uwi
At Ano corruption at evidence nya? ilabas na nya lahat para hindi general yon statement. Mag FILE sya nga KASO.
Bakit nga ba sya Tinangap ni Noynoy e hindi naman sya candidate
Hindi na baling pumatay huwag lang mapaalis sa pwesto. Hindi ganyan si Erap. Ayaw niyang may dadanak na dugo. And that for me is NOBLE!
Oh? Same propaganda line ng NP dahil kay Satur at Liza Maza Teka, Di ba Erap ka? Teka, ibig sabihin, magkakampi si Erap at Villaroyo? lol
Ka Noli, baka kasi maungkat yung mga kaso niya(Davide) at makasama sa kakasuhan pa. Nasa unahan kasi sa rating si Nyoynyoy eh dahil sa akala nila ay siya na ang mananalo kaya duon sila nag-susumiksik.
Ang alam ko ay fact ang Hacienda Luisita Massacre at hindi isang issue ng propaganda.
Gasgas na paliwanag na yan. Ayaw dumanak ng dugo. Ang taong di guilty sa pinaparatang sa kanya, lalaban ng patayan yan. Napakadali lang idisperse yung mga nasa EDSA 2 noon. Tubig lang sa estero ang ibobomba mo, takbuhan na mga yun. Walang mamamatay doon. Kamo, dahil mahina ang kukote, di makaintindi ng tamang strategy. Hinayaan pa dumami tao dun, hayun, naiwan na syang mag isa sa pansitan. Presidente ka, nasa iyo ang lahatng kapangyarihan ng gobyerno, di mo alam ang nangyayari? At gusto mo pang umulit? C’mon! Baka mas masahol pa kay Gloria ang pumalit pag nanalo ka uli at kudetahin na naman. Siempre, NOBLE
Siempre, NOBLE, ayaw dumanak ang dugo. Paano? Bababa na naman? Naku, paano pag si Loren ang nanalong Bise? Patay! Si Angara ang de facto President? lol
Henry90, Mas mabuti na yun kesa naman magkaroon ng Mendiola Massacre at Hacienda Luisita Massacre. Buti at wala kang kamag-anak na nabiktima duon sa mga Massacre na yun.
Yang mga taong Opportunista na kamukha nila DAVIDE, SALCEDA, GONZALES, etc…ay dapat mawala sa sistema ng ating politika. Dapat ipabatid sa kanila ang kakapalan ng mukha at kawalang hiyaan nila…Ngayong tinanggap nila Noynoy sa Partido nila ang mga ganyang tao..tiyak magpapatuloy pa ang lahi ng mga ahas na yan…Sa tingin ko sa pananaw ng LP ang ibig sabihin ng GOOD and EVIL ay pareho lang….
Ang alam ko ay fact ang Hacienda Luisita Massacre at hindi isang issue ng propaganda.
– luzviminda
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If you ask me, they deserved it. If you are facing the wrong end of the law, stop, and obey, do not listen to the communist agitators. Alam nila kung anong pinasok nila, handa silang mamatay, so there…that issue is finished…obey the law or perish…kung may mga kamag-anak ka dun, buti nga.
LVM:
Bakit, ikaw ba meron? Kilala mo ba kung sino nag udyok sa mga naging biktima doon? Pakitanong kay Satur. . . lol
si Satur Ocampo, ang tindi ng political ads laban kay Noynoy Aquino, naka focus sa Mendiola at Hacienda Luisita Massacre… kung talgang para sa kabutihan ng mga magsasaka ang layuning ng kanyang political ads… bakit hindi niya isinama ang sagad sa butong land grabbing case ni Villarroyo o kahit ang fertilizer scam man lang ni Joc joc Bolante.. madumi din maglaro ang komunistang ito…
matanggal nga si Satur sa listahan ko pagkasenador…
Why would you campaign hard for some who are sure victors?
Perl:
Nasabi ko na sa isang thread, the number 1 rule in psyops is to SOW intrigue or to create a climate of doubt. The operator knows that making people believe in what you are trying to convey is not necessary. Making them doubtful is enough. Halata namang pilit na pilit ang pag-uugnay kay Noynoy sa Luisita at sa Mendiola. Akala ko ba sabi nang mga di bilib sa kanya e, wala itong ALAM? O di wala nga. Anong kinalaman ny dun sa massacre? Si LIm nga na Ground commander mismo sa Mendiola e abswelto sa kaso. Alam ng mga kalaban yan. Kahit isampa pa sa korte, di uubra yan. dinismiss na nga sa Ombudsman e. Pero kung gusto talaga nila, isampa sa korte, para malaman kung sino nagsasabi ng totoo. Si Tyo Paeng Mariano lang ata testigo nila sa Luisita e kasama na mga taga KMP na alam mo na kung kanino kabilang, sa CPP-NPA. They can deny all they want, pero bistado na mga yan. Panis na na issue, pilit lang nirerecycle. Wala kasi masilip kundi, kalbo, autistic, killer atbp. At sabi nila matalino sila? Kaya pala di umaangat numero nila e. lol
henry, mukhang kailangan mo na alalay ah… lol
ayoko na sanang bumanat ulit laban kay erap dahil para skin okay lang naman manalo sya ulit huwag lang si villarroyo… ang problema lang kasi pag nahila pababa si Noynoy… si villarroyo ang nakikinabang…
Bilib na ako sa mga evil society, talagang sobra ang yayabang kung magsalita dahil lamang sila. Baka magulat na lang kayo kung sino ang tunay na mananalo.
luzviminda – April 16, 2010 7:35 am
Ang mga kapartido at mga Cabinet members ni Gloria ay pinaghahatian ng LP at NP. Aquinorroyo at Villarroyo! Ang mga hunyango! Nag-iiba lang ng mga kulay sa panlabas pero mga elitista at pahirap sa bayan!
Pero may usapang nangyayari between Gibo and Erap. Malamang na si Gibo ang umatras at tutulong na lang sa kandidatura ni Erap. Malamang na ipwesto na lang siya sa isang Cabinet post pag si Erap ang nanalo. Magandang pangyayari ito kung nagkataon dahil matalino naman si Gibo at malaking pakinabang sa Gabinete.
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hahaha o pano yan, pwde na din tawagin… Estradarroyo? Macaperap? any suggestion? lol
eto ang mas masahol… makikipagsabwatan sa nagpatalsik sa kanya sa malacanan….
Gaya ni Davide, pare-pareho lang kayong may kasalanan kung bakit nailagay si Gloria sa Malacanang. Ngayon ang lakas pa ng loob niyo magpresinta ng kandidato na kahit sarili niyang ina ayaw siya patakbuhin. Ibig sabihin may rason si Cory kung bakit ayaw niya.
Tanungin mo si Erap kung bakit sya napatalsik na wala syang kaalam-alam. Lagi kasing lasing at puyat e. Doon pa natutulog yun sa BRP ANG PANGULO pag may babanatang starlet. Tanungin nyo pa si Alma Concepcion. . .O si Annabelle Rama. . .yan ang supplier ni Erap ng starlets. . .kaya hayun laging puyat si Erapski. . .tindi ng libido. . .tsk. . .laging tulog. . .hayun, nang magising, naubos na mga kakampi. . .hehehehe
kung naging mabuting pangulo sa joseph estrada, wala sanang EDSA 2.. at wala din naupong President Arroyo.. kung si Ping Lacson ang sinuportahan ni pareng Erap mo noong 2004… wala sanang nadaya at namatay na FPJ… kugn iisipin, malaki ang naging kasalanan ni erap kung bakit tayo nagka letse letse… malaki ang naging impluwensya ng mga desisyun ni erap sa nagiging takbo ng ating bansa… kaya lang karamihan sa mga desisyun nya… palpak!
ideally sa mata ng pangkaraniwang tao… ang korap na lider… hindi dapat magtagal o dapat patalsikin sa pwesto… si pareng erap, gagawa na kalokohan… at hindi naman pala marunong magtago… kaya ayun napatalsik! tapos sisihin nyo civil society…
para tayong nagtatalo kung ano nauna, manok ba o itlog!
Pareng Henry,
Aminin mo na lang na wala ka talagang gusto sa mga Presidentiables ngayon … at si Noynoy lang talaga ang akala mo na puputol sa mga abusadong naka-upo ngayon sa Malakanyang. Ayaw mo rin kay Erap dahil sa nangyari na nga at lalong ayaw mo kay Villar at Gibo dahil nga kay Glorya.
Sa totoo lang pare wala naman talagang kuwenta yang si Noynoy … ano na ba ang nagawa niyang tao na iyan para maging Pangulo? Dati alalay lang siya ng kanyang inang si Cory at di ba ang namimili pa ng kanyang damit ay yang kapatid niyang si Kris.
Tama si Erap … sayang si Gibo. Tama siya Pare.
Sa atin lang ay gusto lang natin ng malaking pagbabago at sa akala mo si Noynoy lang ang pakapagbabago. Hindi kita masisi diyan at mukhang liyamado na nga kayo.
Pero hindi pa rin kayo nakakasiguro.
Tama si Ellen ….
At kung aksidente mang si Noynoy ang mananalo …. kahit ano pa siya … oks lang sa akin …. dahil sa ang gusto ko rin ay mawala ang mga Arroyo … wala ka na talagang mapagpilian pa.
Mga kaibigan, Naniniwala ako na nagkamali ang civil society (kasama ang big business, simbahan at elite) sa pagtulong na palayasin si Erap. Kaya lang, he (Erap) made it sooo easy for that to happen. Remember Laarni and the Boracay mansion, midnight cabinet, pagtungga na mamahaling Petreus, atbp.
Kasi ang nangyari ay napalibutan sya ng mga kagaya nila Ronnie Zamora, Angara, at kung sinu-sino pa. Naka “cordon sanitaire” kaya hindi niya nalaman ang tunay na damdamin ng sambayan. Naging arogante kasi akala nya porke presidente, nasa kanya ang lahat ng poder.
Totoo namang sa corruption, mani-mani lang ang sinabing nakuha nya. Si FVR nga, mas malaki pa (AFP modernization lang, bilyones na). Si GMA ngayon ang pinakagahaman kaya’t bangkarote na tayo.
That said, does Erap still deserve a 2nd chance? Sa tingin ko hindi na. Ano ba ang pagkapresidente? Para ba itong eskwela na pagka bumagsak ka o hindi naipagpatuloy ang pag-aaral, babalik ka upang tapusin ang kurso (o termino, sa kaso ni Erap)?
I think it really boils down to a question of character. We must elect our leaders on the basis of character. Of course all of them have skeletons in their closet. Sino ba ang wala? Lahat din sila ay may kanya-kanyang personal agenda; sino ba ang wala?
Kung ikukumpara mo naman si Erap sa mga Aquino …. yong sa mga Aquino ay hit and run kaya na-hit si Ninoy at tumakbo ang salarin …. si Erap Adre talagang sa labanan siya napadpad …. kaya nga lang sumuko ang mga General niya gaya ni Reyes …. kaya sumuko siya. Magka-iba ang istorya Pare at huwag mong ikumpara.
Hindi pala sumuko ang mga Generals niya …. hinudas siya.
At hindi si Erap ang nagpa-upo kay Glorya kundi si Davide na ngayon kakampi na ni Noynoy.
It’s no surprise that Davide now joins the camp of Aquino. As an ultimate opportunist he sees when opportunity comes knocking at the door and that will never ever be missed by an expert in the business of opportunism like him.
Gloria, his erstwhile benefactor’s ship is sinking and so he turns his sight to Noynoy, and the later was only too happy and gladly singing hallelujah with both arms wide open to embrace him and the others.
I guess Noynoy is in a “meltdown” and he doesn’t understand what he is preaching about the good and evil thing. He ‘s just using it to mask his weakness and incompetence.
Gusto ko pa naman maparusahan itong si Davide. Paano ngayon kung manalo si Aquino?
Kung walang conspirators, power grabbers, law and constitution violators, walang EDSA 2.
In a democratic form of government, transfer of power is done through elections. The mandate emanates from the people and nobody else, not through a power-grab not from a cardinal, not from an ex-president, not from the military nor from a group who called themselves civil society that as if they are the only civilized people and everybody else are uncivilized in this part of the world. But as we all know that’s what happened. They violated the sacred law of the land and thwarted the will of the majority. They then crowned their favourite notwithstanding the lack of mandate from the people and from whom they expected too much. It turned out that what they forced on the people is a monster.
Fast forward to the present, candidates Villar and Noynoy are pointing their fingers and accusing each other as the secret candidate of Gloria. Supporters of these two may not admit, but the reality is both of them are Gloria’s boys. They were Gloria’s boys before and so are now. Gloria is not that stupid to not cover all the bases. Just look how her palaka members jump and divide themselves into both camps. They are just setting the table.
Shame on these two; they are trying hard to pull the wool over the eyes of the electorate by presenting themselves as the true opposition. Between them you can not see any difference; they are both user and opportunists and they both have the face of Gloria imprinted on their faces. At kung si Villar ay may C5 si Noynoy naman ay may SCTEX.
Ang pagkakaiba lang nila, si Villar laging nakasara ang bibig, si Noynoy laging nakanganga; si Villar deretso maglakad, si Noynoy parang lasing.
The only true opposition is Erap, the victim of elite conspiracy and who deserves to complete his elected term as president.
More than any other, Davide deserves condemnation for his jumping ship.. for the following reasons:
1. He once held the highest Justice position in the land, yet joined and tolerated the corruption of Gloria and her ilk with nary a peep.
2. He allowed himself to be appointed to the UN by Gloria without the approval of the Commission on Appointments.. an in-your-face spit on the Commission.
2. He joined Noynoy’s bandwagon only a few weeks before elections when the trend was clear that Noynoy was clearly in the lead.
Too late to make amends, Mr. Davide. The whole nation sees you now as an opportunist of the most vulgar kind.
So now Adel Tamano wants an end to the NP, LP mudslinging..which they started. Ahaa..after they were caught with their hands in the cookie jar with that fake psychiatric report on Noynoy.
It seems they’ve realized their various personal attacks just aren’t working. So now Tamano says they will just focus on their platform.
Believe it?
The only true opposition is Erap, the victim of elite conspiracy and who deserves to complete his elected term as president. – florry
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You’ve got to be kidding, where are you from, Uranus? Erap is a convicted criminal, there are other cases ie BW, etc. that weren’t even mentioned and he can’t say he was framed as it was a high profile case, he had the best lawyers money can buy…and he asked for pardon, which is requires an admission of guilt. Even if he says he just accepted pardon, which is unlikely true, logically, there must be an admission of guilt and show of remorse before you are given one…
Jug:
Assuming the truth of your assertion, ano naman ang connection ng jueteng corruption and affinity to Gloria?
Court decisions are credible in a country where the judicial system is not corrupted. Ninoy Aquino was also convicted di ba? Is that conviction credible?
Of course that is different, because Marcos was evil. And Gloria is not?
“si Villar deretso maglakad, si Noynoy parang lasing.
Si Erap naman parang penguin”. . . .lol
All these conspiracy theories about the elite kicking out Erap are only half-truths. Did you ever hear him admit to any shenanigans or wrongdoing while he was in office? Jueteng lang naman daw ang kaso ni Erap. Bobo kasi kaya jueteng ang inuna. Pero kuwidaw ka. Kung di siya nasipa e baka kung ano pa ang natutunan. Nabuking na nga ang insider trading di ba? Di nila ko pwedeng bolahin Pareng Tedanz. Nasabi ko na. Galing ako PSG. Hanggang ngayon, may kasamahan pa rin ako na nasa PSG pa rin. Matatawa ka na lang sa kinukwento nila kung paano gawing motel ni Erap ang Presidential yacht. Mahjong at inuman with matching starlets as pulutan courtesy of Annabelle Rama. Kaya pala katakot-takot na proyekto sa DOTC ang nakorner nitong dalaherang nanay ni Ruffing. . .Mabait kung sa mabait pero wala sa isip ni Erap ang katungkulan nya bilang Panggulo. Pinabayaan nya lang sina Angara at Ronnie Zamora na magpatakbo ng Pinas. I guess he could never comprehend the enormity of his responsibilities. He thought he was still acting before the cameras. He brought his disgraceful downfall upon himself that no self-respecting military officer, save those tasked to protect him, chose to remain in the chain of command. Conspiracy? Maybe. Is he blameless? Hmmmmmm. . . .
Nang nilalakad pa niya ang pagiging chief justice , lumapit siya sa negosyanteng si Lucio Tan na may maraming kasong nakabinbin sa Supreme Court para irekomenda siya kay Pangulong Estrada. Yan ba gawain ng disenteng tao?
Ayun, balik pa din kay Erap and sisi… member ba si Lucio Tan ng Judicial Bar Council?
teka, teka, ano tawag dito? Kaibigan.Inc? Kasosyo.Inc? tsk tsk tsk!!!
Walang kaibi-kaibigan, walang kumpa-kumpare, di ba sabi ni Erap? Except, Pareng Lucio? lol
juggernaut, maybe you don’t know na dapat nuon pang 1967 nadistribute yung hacienda sa mga magsasaka. Nakamatayan na nga nung mga ninuno nitong mga na-massacre na magsasaka. Matagal ng pinapakinabangan ng pamilya ni Noynoy ang lupain na data ay yung mga magsasaka na ang nagmamay-ari. At ngayon ay balak ng ibenta at gawing commercial area.
GREEDINESS is what this Noynoy Cojuangco’s family has. Ito rin ang posibleng pinag-ugatan ng away ng mga Cojuanco siblings. The order is for them to distribute the land to the farmers since 1967. Si Ninoy Aquino ang unang administrator nito. Ang tagal na nilang pinakinabangan yung lupa with the help of the Central Bank during that time. The farmers can put up their own Cooperative to run the operations of the land. They can hire Agricultural experts as consultants kapag na-establish na yung Kooperatiba nila. Hindi naman kailangan kanya-kanyang pagsasaka. They can do it collectively. Parang lipat lang ng ownwership. Hindi naman bobo yung mga farmers para hindi nila mapalago o mapatakbo ang Hacienda. They have the capabilities in the first place. Ang paghawak at pagkolekta ng kita ang part ng pamilya Kuha-ko, este Cojuangco.
Read this link:
http://www.gmanews.tv/story/181877/hacienda-luisitas-past-haunts-noynoys-future
perl,
Remember na iniiwanan na sa ere gg grupo ni Gloria si Gibo dahil nga hindi ito talaga ang kanilang manok. Nararamdaman yan ng ng grupo ni Gibo. Ang mga kongressman lang ang pinopondohan ni Gloria dahil yun ang mapakikinabangan niya kung gusto niyang maging Prime Minister o Speaker of the House. Even the mayors at governors at pinababayaan ni Gloria. Gibo is not originally part of Lakas-kampi, remember?
“Tanungin nyo pa si Alma Concepcion. . .O si Annabelle Rama. . .yan ang supplier ni Erap ng starlets. . .kaya hayun laging puyat si Erapski. . .tindi ng libido. . .tsk. . .laging tulog. . .hayun, nang magising, naubos na mga kakampi. . .hehehehe”
Henry90,
No wonder, madali ka palang maniwala sa mga TSiSmis! Hindi naman siguro kailangan pang suplayan si Erap ng mga artista din, no? Mag-isip ka nga!
Asus. Daling sabihin. Kay villar nga nilalandgrab na lang ang mga sinasakang lupa at ginagawang subdivision. Wag masyadong magpapaniwala sa mga investigative reports na yan na ang iniinterview ay mga taga KMP lang ni Tyo Paeng Mariano. Bakit di masagot ni Satur yung problema ng mga taga Norzagaray? Dahil ba sa tumatakbo sya sa NP? Wag na si Erap kasi di nyo naman talaga aaminin na libog itik yang si Erap kaya pati masa na mahal na mhal nya kuno e dinudugasan nya pa through Jueteng at ito ang ginagamit nya pambili ng lupa at bahay nya para sa mga kabit nya. Akala nyo ba gagastos ng sariling pera yan para sa mga bisyo nya? Pera ng masa nya yan. . . . Maka masa pala ha. . . Minasa kayo sa harena tuloy. . . tsk
LVM:
Di tsismis yan. Yung dating opisina ko katabi ng presidential yacht. . .halos gabi-gabi kami binubulabog ng convoy ni Erap pag pumapasok sa compound yan. Dati kong mga tauhan nagbabantay dun. . .All u have to do is ask. . .gets mo? Mag isip ka rin. . .
Para namang di kapanipaniwala yung GABI-GABI ang pag-gu-goodtime ni Erap dyan sa Presidential Yacht! Sorry pare hindi ako ganun kadaling mapaniwala ng Tsismis. Totoong mahilig uminom si Erap. Huwag nang magtaka sa ugaling showbiz ni Erap. Ikaw din naman siguro kung sinasabi mong PDG ka ay marami ding gudtimes! Tulad din ng ibang sundalo kapag freetime na.
LVM:
Oo naman.. . kaso nga lang di ako presidente na mas may importanteng responsibilidad. . .ok lang kung di mo maintindihan sinasabi ko. . . . 🙂
Ang alam ko ayon sa mga statistics comparing different performance of the past presidents, eh si ERAP ang may pinakamagandang showing even in the short period of his presidency, inspite of the panay goodtime na sinasabi mo. That proves na hindi niya pinababayaan ang responsibilidad niya bilang presidente. Somewhere in this blog in the past showed that stats.
Daling gawin yang mga stats. NSO is a govt office. Puede mo bang salungatin ang presidente mo? Ang tanong, how much was the conversion rate of the peso vis-a-vis the dollar when Erap left office? Personal knowledge yung mga sinasabi ko bout Erap. Di ako nagbubuhat ng sariling upuan kaibigan. I’m no ordinary footsoldier, so alam ko mga pinag-uusapan ng mga top brass kahit papaano. . . .
Well, at least mas magaling si Noynoy sa Nanay niya:
– working with the devil in the name of peace and reconciliation only happened after she was sworn into office, while;
– Noynoy is doing it much earlier…
… before he was even elected.
Jug
I am not from any other planet, anyway that’s your favorite line everytime you disagree with anybody and that makes me suspicious that maybe you are the one who is from outer space.
Erap’s coviction is political. That’s a fact. The only people who disagrees are those Erap-bashers-haters dahil hindi nila kayang tanggapin na ang isang drop=out ang mamumuno sa kanila. A very elitist attitude.
Gloria is the most hated president in this planet. She made a mockery of justice and almost all the courts and justices were under her thumb. Hawak niya sa leeg lahat yan. Bago pa man napatalsik si Erap, planado na ang lahat at tapos na ang conviction. Guilty na siya as charged. Yong mga hearing ay moro-moro na lang to make it appear credible and to make it formal. Maybe you are not on earth when Chavit was asked to demonstrate his accusation that he carried a 130 million pesos in a suitcase for Erap and it was proven that he will need several boxes and that he alone can not carry that amount. Doon pa lang bagsak na si Chavit. Baka wala ka rin dito sa mundo noong iappoint ni Gloria yong mga justices na nagconvict kay Erap. for your information, nandoon na sila sa SC bilang regalo nila sa pagsunod sa gusto niya.
Erap was even asked to leave the country but he chose to stay to fight for justice even as he knew that he will not get a fair trial under the Evil Gloria. That’s a kind of man, willing to face against all odds to prove who he is, not like Noynoy who always sweep all accusations against him under the rug, or just deny it and say it’s fake.
Erap has all the experience in administration. Noynoy has nothing.In his twelve years in Congress and Senate, kahit isang bill walang naipasa. Mabuti pa si Lito Lapid na pinagtatawanan naka-isa. Luging-lugi ang Pilipinas at ang mga tao sa ibinabayad at sa pork barrel niya. Mabuti nga at hindi siya nangitlog sa kaniynag upuan, o kaya kung may itlog doon ng manok siguro napisa na at naging sisiw at lumaki at nagkaroon na ng maraming maraming mga apo.
So is that the kind of president you envision to lead this country?
Noynoy said that scoundrels are jumping and being accepted at Villar’s camp.
Maybe Noynoy needs a review of events in this country in the not so distant past and he will find out who is the “most” scoundrel of all.
It’s Davide, stupid!
Pareng Henry, tutoo ba yung mga excapade ni Pareng Erap sa Presidetial yacht? Kaya pala nalamog ang dalawang tuhod niya. 😛
“Ang tanong, how much was the conversion rate of the peso vis-a-vis the dollar when Erap left office?”
Wala namang silbi yang dollar conversion rate sa kumakalam na sikmura ng mahihirap dahil wala naman silang mga dollars at investments. At sabi mo nga pwede ring paglaruan ang mga numero. Gawain ko rin iyan sa bangko. Pang-araw-araw na pangkain at pangangailangan lang ay ubra na. Yung epekto sa buhay ng mahihirap ang mas importante. Mas mura ba ang kuryente mo ngayon kesa nuong panahon ni Erap na hindi pa pirmado ang EPIRA Law? Iyang hindi pagpirma ni Erap sa EPIRA ang isang dahilan ng pagpondo ng mga Oligarch sa EDSA2. Ang iyong water bills mas mura ba ngayon? Ang Bigas? Tuition fees? Kung si Nyonyoy ang manalo may magbabago kaya, ganung dikit siya sa mga Lopez at isa ring sa mga oligarch.
Hindi pwedeng gawing guage ang palitan ng piso sa US dollar para sabihing maganda ang takbo ng ekonomiya ng bansa. Masarap lang pakinggan kapag lumalakas (kuno) ang ating piso. Pero maraming factors yan kung bakit nga lumalakas. Bumabagsak naman talaga ang halaga ng US$ vis a vis other foreign currency. Ito ang matindi, umuutang ang gobyerno ngayon sa labas imbes na sa local institutions. Local banks are now awash with money, ang dami nilang naka imbak na salapi kung kaya’t mapapansin mo na maraming text tayong natatanggap na “
“YOU NEED CASH?”
Ngek, naputol… 😛
Another reason why the peso is stronger nowadays is because of the remittances from our kababayans working overseas. Our export products are not doing very well kaya walang masyadong epekto.
Henry90,
Are you a professional soldier?
Ang problema lang kung lumalakas ang piso natin, ibig sabihin mas kakaunti ang napapalit ng ating mga OFW ang US$ nila sa piso. Ganoon din ang mga exporters natin, mas maliit ang kanilang kita. Ang tuwang tuwa ay ang mga importers at mga biyahero na mahilig mag shopping sa ibang basa. 🙁
Yan nga ang masaklap, maraming mga kababayan natin ay “napipilitang” mangibang-bansa para lang may-ikabuhay. Human exports! Dollar remittance is a big factor sa xxchange rate.
MIke:”Pareng Henry, tutoo ba yung mga excapade ni Pareng Erap sa Presidetial yacht? Kaya pala nalamog ang dalawang tuhod niya.”
Mike,
Papano naman si Nyoynyoy? Parang lamog na rin ang tuhod kung maglakad. LOL!
Baka tutoo rin yung tsismis na malimit sa isang famous lightstreet si Nyoynyoy. Para ring si Mike Defensor.
Hindi ako tsismoso ha. Kaya nga baka lang eh. Dahil gumegewang na rin si Nyoynyoy maglakad. Di hamak na bata siya kay Erap.
luzviminda:
Ang stats ng World Bank ay hindi biased. Kitang-kita doon na higit na mabuti ang stats ni Erap kaysa kay Glue.
LVM, hindi lang sa tuhod makikita sa isang lalaki kung mahilig sa girls. Ang isang dapat tignan ay kung numinipis ang poet. 😛
Mike,
Hindi naman siguro pati sa numinipis na buhok! LOL!
#90 Rose
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Mike:
I dunno if u still remember that Vic-Vic Villavicencio(Triple-V Express, Oil, etc) had the Ang Pangulo refurbished at no cost kuno to the government? You see, Erap, who like Villar, was never a ‘mahirap’, had impeccable taste for the good life, wine, women and good food. Every weekend, walang paltos yan, he and his cronies would closet themselves aboard the yacht and splurge on mahjong, high stakes poker, wine and of course, starlets. Alam mo kung ilan ang VIP suites dun? 20 ata. . .Di nga naman mapapansin kung doon sila magkakalat di ba? Secure ang compound papasok sa barko at guarded ng PSG. No paparazzi. . .Di na kailangan itanong yan. . .Erap’s appetite for sex is legendary. . .sabi nga nya e, open book na yun. Ano ang kapalit ng pagpapagawa ni VVV ng yate na walang gastos kuno ang gobyerno? Libre rin ang pagpapaihi nya ng crudo para sa negosyo nya. Kitam? Weder-weder lang daw yan, sabi nya. . .hehehehe. . .
ilang tulog nalang sino kaya ang mananalo? hindi si Noynoy; hindi si Gibo; baka si erap ..but kahit sino pa sa kanila si putot pa rin ang magwawagi..Money Bills will talk and she will take…makakatulog pa kaya si putot? hindi kaya kinakabahan? si FatBoy naman alalayan baka sa nerbyos ay matodas!
si Imelda pala kandidato as congresswoman and most likely will win…si putot naman ay magwawagi as congresswoman of Pampanga..it will be exciting for the tongressmen to watch the two..I wonder if the men will be able to work…
Si Noynoy my EMPHYSEMA
The health of a presidential candidate is of utmost importance and a valid election issue. Pansin nyo ba na kinakapos ng paghinga si Noynoy kapag nagsasalita. Obserbahan nyo mabuti. Kita nyo ba na gasping for air si Noynoy kapag dalawan or tatlong mahabang sentences ang kanyang binigkas?
Emphysema my dear meron siya sure ako.
rose, malamang puro “Mano po Ninang” ang marurunig mo sa mga hinayupak na tongressman pagnagkataon…
romyman,
tignan natin kung sino sa dalawa ang maunang mamatay:
ang matandang binatang mahilig manigarilyo
o ang mas matandang 20 taon ang agwat sa nanuna na babaero na at mahilig pang uminom…
Bobong, re #50.
Basahin mo ng husto ang aking article. Kung anong isyu ang aking itinalakay: ang kaipokrituhan ni Davide.
Sinasabi ko na ng ilang beses, wala akong kandidato sa mga presidentiable ngayon.
Pare-pareho lang yan sila, ke kay Villar o kay Aquino.
Kahit saan lumipat si Davide ngayon,that does not matter. The issue is his opportunism, jumping a sinking ship and his hypocrisy. Talking about Gloria Arroyo’s corruption when he enjoyed and benefitted from serving and defending her the fullest until three weeks ago.
The harm that Davide did to the Filipino people, legitimizing Arroyo’s power grab is unforgivable.
We are better off without Erap, he was an embarassment to us all – a big joke. Even in forums he embarrasses himself, its a shame he doesn’t know it, what an idiot.
…and there are worst opportunists than Davide…have we forgotten Villar all of a sudden?
If we get a president who’s worst deed is smoking 2 packs a day, I don’t mind – its good for my business…and employs a lot of people, pays a lot of taxes – how about you LVM, how much have you contributed to the country measurably? Bullshit doesn’t count, we need cash.
Sang-ayon ako sa inyo na impokrito o oportunista si Davide… pero magbalik tanaw tayo noong EDSA 2… noong napuno ng tao ang EDSA na sumisigaw na mag-resign si Erap, ng magresign ang halos lahat ng kanyang cabinet member… magwidraw ng support and pamunuan ng AFP at PNP… at higit sa lahat… umalis mismo si Joseph Estrada sa Malacanan… sa tingin nyo, sa ganyang sitwasyon…. ano ba dapat sa tingin nyo ang naging aksyon ng Chief Justice o Korte Suprema noong panahong ‘yon?
There are so many people who’s only contribution to the welfare of this country is talk, talk, talk, do something real for a change people! Put your money where your mouth is!
You take a stand, whether its good or bad, its a matter of perspective, Davide made his. Some of us will disagree with him, nevertheless, compared to the perenial fence sitters and unconscious opportunists (neutral now, take a stand with the winner later) or pretending to be unconscious (not admitting to any stand overtly now) – he is a much bigger man. If he got rewarded for it, he’s one of the lucky ones, unlike Jun Lozada, too bad for him, he’s saddled with so many cases while Jocjoc Bolante gets to run for office.
Then we have these military adventurists, who after professing integrity, etc, etc, are in bed with someone who has no respect for the law and makes taking undue advantage an art form – maybe after seeing Trillanes getting all those millions, they want to taste the good life too?
There are no heroes in this game, there are only people who dare to push their agendas to the fore, unlike us, who just watch and blab…
sax,
No need to assume, how can you pardon someone who is innocent? Pardon is given to the guilty (but there are prequisites like show of remorse, etc, etc).
…of course, there’s Love means never having to say you’re sorry…
Then again, there are so many convicted leaders who turned out to be paragons of leadership and vision, Mandela, etc, etc…but who would honestly say that Erap belongs to his class? si LVM lang siguro…
So henry90, you were with the PSG then. Kung nagpasyang manatili si Erap, handa ka bang utusan ang mga tao mo na paluin ng truncheon yung mga nag-EDSA 2? Or even mow them down like Deng Xiao Ping’s soldiers did in Tiananmen Square?
Na-transfer ka ba earlier? Where were you during EDSA 2? With Angie Reyes? Or with Rene Saguisag?
…but enough about Erap, its not about him now. Even if he’s everything we say he is, we at least owe him this opportunity to get some closure. Its not even about Arroyo anymore as she is on her way out, its about Villar, although he’s almost sure to win (I don’t believe in surveys too much) because of his seemingly overwhelming war chest and ability to buy all kinds of political assets…left, right, center, convoluted, etc.
…its about doing whatever is possible to stop him…even if we know what the outcome already is…
If we can forgive the Marcoses, Davide is small potatoes…
Its a bit absurd going all out against Davide and keep mum about Villar, Trillanes, and the Magdalo…if we are to shed light, let it shine on everything…or not at all…
Ano man ang aksyon perl, should not have included fabricating evidence by way of Angara(pal)’s diary.
Davide should have obeyed the Constitution, which was to swear Arroyo in as Acting President. Then he could have proceeded with the impeachment, since that is the only way to remove a president.
goody: In my comment above, it is my personal opinion..and what I was told and thought of the Roxas family..who and what they are as written in that face book, I am not the least bit interested…true or false man…kaya sorry nalang if I don’t want to know more from that face book…thanks anyway!
back on davide: wasn’t he a former supreme court judge..kanina sa EWTN sabi ni Fr. Pavone, Right to Life Priest…”supreme court judges or all judges in all levels should not be politicians ” they are to arbitrate and interpret the laws legislated and executed by the President..politicians they should not be…sana ganoon sa atin…
SnV:
I wasn’t with PSG anymore during Erap’s time. James Bond ako nun. Nevertheless, please be informed that it is not the job of PSG, unless u are feigning ignorance, to disperse mobs in rallies. Physical security of Malacanang and personal security of the Prez and his immediate family are its mandate. . .
“noong napuno ng tao ang EDSA na sumisigaw na mag-resign si Erap”
kailan napuno ang EDSA ng EDSA2? andoon ka ba, di nga umabot hanggang SEC ang tao sa EDSA2 sasabihin mo napuno.
the SC in principle said constructive resignation is the ground that was used to seat Gloria Kapal Muks Arroyo as President. Such an animal was never contemplated in the 1973 Cory constitution.
The people of True EDSA stormed the palace, but the Marcoses had already left. The PSG would have had to make a choice had the Marcoses not left early enough.
Malamang. . .and it would not have been nice. . .the PSG Special Reaction Unit during our time and until now, is the only unit armed with the latest military hardware. It’s personnel composition is a cross-section of the AFP’s elite units. . .
Henry, of course I know. Open book nga eh. LOL
romyman, masyodo ka naman literal.. okay, sige sabihin na nating hindi puno ng tao ang EDSA noong EDSA2 pero sabihin nating madaming taong nagrarally sa EDSA…
pero naman… kugn alam ni Erap na tama sya, wala syang kasalanan at malaking kalokohan ang pagpapatalsik sa kanya… kung talgang para sa bayan ang pinaglalaban nya at para sa mas nakakarami nating kababayan… bakit hindi nya ipinaglaban ang kanyang karapatan bilagn presidente… magkaron man lamang sya ng tapang na idisperse ang mga tao sa EDSA…
ang problema, sya mismo.. hindi nya kayang ipagtanggol ang sarili nya… isinuko nya ang kanyang pagka presidente… pano… dahil guilty!
agree ako kay henry… kesehodang umatras si Angelo Reyes… dapat nilang ipagtanggol ang pagkapresidente ni Erap…
okay sax, mali nga si davide. Sabi nga ni Ellen:
Hindi bakante ang posisyun ng presidente ngunit nagbigay siya ng oath of office kay Arroyo, hindi bilang “acting president” na siyang napagkasunduan ng mga justices kungdi bilang presidente.
Kung sakali matuloy ang impeachment at maabswelto si Erap… 2 lang tingin ko pagpipilian niya:
1. Manitili sya sa pwesto at idisperse ang mga tao sa EDSA na posibleng pagdanak ng dugo
2. Magresign
ang tanong kaya bang gawin ni Erap yung #1? Malamang sa pagresign din ang punta at kay gloria din ang bagsak!
haha… ngayon ko lang nabasa to:
henry90 – April 17, 2010 10:41 am
SnV:
I wasn’t with PSG anymore during Erap’s time. James Bond ako nun.
okay, rephrase:
kesehodang umatras si Angelo Reyes… dapat nilang(loyal AFP/PNP kay Erap) ipagtanggol ang pagkapresidente ni Erap…
attorney sax sa rule of evidence ba ang diary ni Angara ay isang hearsay evidence?
furthermore sa jurisprudence ba ang intent has the same value as the actual act itself.
regards attorney sax.
perl Erap is not my candidate he he nice try but you miss the point. I’d prefer Dick Gordon for president. Gus2 ko rin si Villar but I am having second thought.
Kay Noynoy, he is one of the least qualified and capable. He is neither a leader that inspires or a manager that directs.
Don’t forget he voted against the playing of the Garci Tapes in Congress. His principle is the principle of convinience.
yon lang po.
kakatawa talaga si professional heckler
http://professionalheckler.wordpress.com/
Lahat ng mga reptiles ay nakaroon na ng pakpak upang lumipad sa ibang paritdo upang ipagpatuloy ang paglapastangan sa ating bansa.Si Davide ay isa lamang na hungyango,dahil fix income ang 20g na green washington leaves ay mukahang napakaliit lamang kumpara sa pinagpapasaan ng mga katulad niyang hungyango,talking about billions of pesos deal using influences and connections,kaya nakaisip ng bagong paraan,take pot shot on noynoy camp baka sakaling may ibigay pagnanalo si YELLOW LAWAY,dahil kasama naman niyang niyari si maboteng Erap palabasin sa pinto ng palasyo,sa constructive resignation,kaya eto sinasabing destructive pala ang kanilang ginawa.gusto ng pagbabago,nakakatawa he-hehe.
romyman,
I admit that Noynoy’s performance is questionable… but it doesn;t mean hindi nya kayang magperform as president… I prefer him because I believe he is not corrupt.. mayaman ang bansang pilipinas sa human and natural resources… alam ng buong mundo yan… kailngan lang lang natin magkaron ng presidente na hindi magnanakaw…
Ang gagawin lang nman ng Presidente ay magdesisyon… at desisyon na hindi papasukan ng sariling interest o kasakiman… yan ang tingin ko na kayang gawin ni Noynoy na hindi kayang gawin ng karamihan sa kasalukuyang presidentiables… good attitude.. yan ang priority ko sa ngayon na mayroon si Noynoy…
kung paggawa lang naman ng programa sa gobyerno ang paguusapan.. kayang gawing ng mga cabinet members at adviser yan… syempre, kung hindi corrupt ang presidente… that cabinet members will follow..
I also prefer Noynoy because of Mar Roxas and Jovito Salonga…
Walang problema kay Dick Gordon… pero kailngan nyang umangat sa survery 😀
Don’t forget he voted against the playing of the Garci Tapes in Congress. His principle is the principle of convinience.- romyman
Eto pa pala, hindi bat nagbago naman ang stand nya after a few months kasama ni Cory? Hindi nga ni-released ni Gloria ang pork barrel nya eh…
pero gusto ko pang malaman kung ano ang eksaktong rason ni Noynoy sa isyung ito… kung may alam kang link na sagot nya paki post… salamat!
Basta ang dapat iboto ay someone na kabaliktaran ni Glueria whose lying, cheating and thieving is well known and documented.
Vil-liar is obviously a liar. Cheat he did to grab the land of the poor farmers and somehow a thief for thieving raking in govt funds, like obtaining loan and defaulted on it.
While in Noynoy, is there any lying, cheating and thieving issues about him? Hacienda Luisita is not his sole and direct liability as he is just a coowner, just like Gibo is.
Gordon and the rest can be above par, but they are not leading in the contention. A vote for any of them will just make Villar chances better. If you hate Villarroyo, just vote for Noynoy.
@ perl
Precisely, he vacillated !! Is that the sign of a principled man, I don’t think so.
Bakit kailangan pa ni Cory to make a stand against GMA bago sumunod si Noynoy, can’t he think for himself?
romyman:
Ang diary ni Angara(pal) is hearsay twice removed from the source. Nadinig niya (kuno) kay Erap, at nabasa ng reporter at isinulat sa diaryo. Yun ang nabasa ng Supreme Court, yung double hearsay.
Mabuti nga kung hearsay, but the evidence was not even introduced.
Ang sabi ni Justice Cuevas noon sa amin, ang hukuman ay parang weighing scale; naghihintay lang na lagyan ng pabigat sa bawat panig, at babagsak sa kaliwa o kanan, depende sa bigat. Walang weighing scale na kumukuha ng pabigat, naghihintay lang. Ganyan din dapat ang hukuman.
Yung intent, tama ka, walang bisa yon. Tulad ng sabi ng kabataan, “ligaw tingin halik (more graphic word is actually used)hangin. Kaya kung intent lang, sa criminal law, walang crimen. Sa contrata naman, ang pag-ayon ay nakikita sa paglagda sa contrata, o pagbayad o pagtutupad ng contrata. Kung ang batas ay humihingi ng lagda, tulad sa pagbenta ng lupa, hindi puwedeng dada lang.
perl:
Maaaring tumahimik ang tao kung ang CJ ay hindi pumanig. Magkakaroon ng moral force ang pagtanggol sa opisina (Erap or other person).
Kahit hindi mangyari ang sabi ko sa itaas, at mangyari yung sabi mong kay Gloria rin, hindi sana nasira ang pagsunod sa batas, at ang paglipat ng poder ay naaayon sa Saligang Batas.
Yan din ang pananaw ko sa Bush v. Gore. Maaaring panalo din sa bilang si Bush, pero hindi sana nasira ang Saligang Batas ng mga Kano. After all, ano ang pagmamadali? Nakaupo pa naman si Clinton noon, dahil hindi pa tapos ang term niya.
Nagkaroon din sana ng moral force ang pagkapangulo ni Glue kung ayon sa batas. Nagmamadali sila, dahil alam nilang marami sa crowd ay mga miron lang, at maaaring hindi na ganoon karami kung mahinahong paglilitis sa impeachment ang ginawa.
henry90:
Kanino naman sumama ang boss ng iyong James Bond unit? Kay Angie Reyes? O kay Rene Saguisag? O nagsampay bakod tulad ng puna mo sa ibang botante rito?
Ang kasalanan ni Davide sa Pinas at kapinuyan ay ginawa niyang PERMANENT acting president ang tangnang prutas ng EDSA Gloria daw! Meaning, he legitimized the power grab
Mahirap ba yang intindihin?!
Pwede namang itino ni Davide ang panunumpa ni Gloria a! Dapat nagdesisyun siya/SC na ACTING lang ang putanginang Gloria at iniutos na tapusin ang impeachment ni Erap para may closure. Bwisit!!!!! Hindi e, minaniobra nila lahat ng para kay Gloria kaya nagkalintik-lintik ang Pinas! Tapos ayan at Davide went home to the warm embrace of Noynoy. So disappointing….
Maka-exit nga at sama muna ako kay Tongue….
Kasi naman pati impeachment ay niluto. Nakatanggap ako ng text na buksan man o hindi buksan ang 2nd envelope, mag wo-walk out ang prosekusyon.
Perl #185:”ang problema, sya mismo.. hindi nya kayang ipagtanggol ang sarili nya… isinuko nya ang kanyang pagka presidente… pano… dahil guilty!#
Hindi nga ba at hinarap niya ang impeachment even with the Kangaroo court. Where the ‘controversial envelop’ showed that it is the account of Dichaves. Asan ba kayo? Di ba sinabi niyang hindi siya nag-resign! Thereby making Gloria’s presidency illegal. Mahihirap ng EDSA3 ang nagtanggol sa ating Konstitusyon at nagbuwis ng buhay. Ang magagaling at nagpapalokong mga kababayan…watching over the fence! Kaya ganito ngayon ang sitwasyon natin!
perl#193:”Eto pa pala, hindi bat nagbago naman ang stand nya after a few months kasama ni Cory? Hindi nga ni-released ni Gloria ang pork barrel nya eh…”
Nagbago ng stand si Noynoy, after ng ipa-utos ni Gloria na ipatupad ang resolusyon ng korte na IBIGAY na sa magsasaka yung lupain ng Hacienda Luisita na dapat ay 1967 pa napasakamay nila. Duon na lang kinalaban ni Noynoy si Gloria. Pero sa totoo lang ay pareho sila ng pakpak. At nananatili hanggang ngayon.
We have this monster called Gloria Arroyo because of Davide.
Sax:
For all the nasty things being said about the military here, pag bumaligtad ang mga major service commanders at ang CS, game over na yan. That’s what happened in EDSA 2. Ayaw ni Angie sumama dahil kumpare nga sya ni Erap. Pero wala na syang magawa. Siya na lang naiwan. Iyon ang mali ni Erap. Di nya kasangga mga major service commanders nya. Umasa lang kay Angie na di rin maganda reputation sa mga sundalo.
At any rate, let Aquino deal with his demons later on. No candidate in the homestretch, unless his naive, will want to antagonize would be supporters with huge political backing in their local turf. Ganun din yan ng EDSA 1. Focus on one enemy only. That’s Gloria. Kung gusto nyo talaga ng walang gulo sa eleksyon, demand for a two-party system. Kung ngayon pa tayo magsisisihan sa mga nagtatalonang palaka na yan, ay malabo na. Ilang linggo na lang, botohan na. Pag namaintain ni Aquino ang hatak nya na 38%, maglulupasy na yang iba diyan. . .
#138 – Henry90: “Yung dating opisina ko katabi ng presidential yacht. . .halos gabi-gabi KAMI binubulabog ng convoy ni Erap pag pumapasok sa compound yan”
#180 – Sax: “So henry90, you were with the PSG then”.
#187- Henry90: “I WASN’T with PSG ANYMORE during Erap’s time. James Bond ako nun”
Wow! Henry, so you have a free nightly access in your former office even though you were not with the PSG anymore? You were such a lucky guy to be accorded with that privilege. Maybe you were that kind of someone special.
Ang perhuwesyo nga lang ay GABI-GABI kayong binubulabog ni Erap and his gang.
Ayaw ni Angie sumama dahil kumpare nga sya ni Erap. Pero wala na syang magawa. Siya na lang naiwan.
Henry,
Must disagree with you completely.
It was Angie with whom the Arroyos had been talking for almost a year prior to the coup d’état.
The major service commanders did not, I repeat, did not initiate the talks.
For your information, Benjie Defensor and Wong were the last to know. Benjie, up to the last minute in the morning of 20 January was having a heated argument with Angie Reyes.
(1) At the beginning Benjie didn’t want to stage the coup d’état but when it was evident that Angie was determined and that the Army was in on it already, he challenged Angie and said, “Then I propose that we call for immediate election!” (i.e., to know who will replace Erap.)
(2) Wong then decided the die was cast and so agreed to the coup d’état.
It is wrong to think or to believe that “Ayaw ni Angie sumama dahil kumpare nga sya ni Erap!” or that “Siya na lang naiwan.”
Absolutely not the case. You may believe me or not but I can guarantee you that this is NOT a second hand info.
(If you don’t believe me, then read the personal interview given by Mike Arroyo to the Graphic. This appreared in the Graphic — Ellen has it in her archieves but can’t retrieve the linked version.)
NEWS FLASH: MILITARY COUP TOPPLES PHILIPPINE PRESIDENT
Mike Arroyo, in his own words.
THIS is a season of remembering those exhilarating days in January last year when Joseph Estrada, accused of betraying the trust of the Filipino people who elected him president, was ousted three years and five months short of his term.
Believing in giving credit to where credit is due, we are reprinting here again excerpts of the interview with Mike Arroyo by the eminent Nick Joaquin on his role in the ouster of Estrada, which paved the way for his wife’s takeover of the presidency. The interview appeared in the March 5, 2001 issue of Philippine Graphic.
“She had really left the Cabinet at the right moment: the timing was perfect. If she had tarried a moment longer, she would have been too late for EDSA: she would have made it there as an opportunist. And as for the ill-feeling in Metro Manila, we tackled that by going back to the door-to-door campaign: she went from barangay to barangay explaining her motives, outlining her program. And it worked. Then came the impeachment trial, and from there, tuloy-tuloy na.
“There was a time honestly, when I felt I erred in advising her to resign from the Cabinet. The masa in Manila apparently wanted her to stick it out with Erap. And when she started attacking him, everything fell on us – grabe!- everything! But I told myself: it’s now or never; if we lose here we’re totally destroyed and it’s goodbye to her political career – but if we win here, she becomes President! So we really fought.
“We got all those Erap tapes from Ramon Jacinto and distributed them all over. We bought one million and a half million copies of Pinoy Times to give away so the public could read about the Erap mansions and bank accounts.
“And when EDSA happened, we texted everybody to go running there. EDSA, EDSA: everybody converge on EDSA! Panalo kung panalo. Patay kung patay! Jinggoy had already announced what they would do to us if they won.
“Chavit Singson had Plan B involving elements of the military to strike the first blow. They would kindle the spark by withdrawing from the government, and one by one others would follow: Class ’71 would also withdraw, then Class ’72, and so forth. But General de Villa warned that the timing had to be precise because one untimely move against the government and the military would automatically defend it. The move must be made at what De Villa called a ‘defining moment.’
“You see, General De Villa had his Plan A, which was better than ours, because his was focused on the Chief of Staff and the Service Commanders. At past one o’clock p.m. January 20, Chief of Staff Angelo Reyes defected but we knew that already the night before, when negotiations had lasted until the small hours. By past 2 a.m. we knew Reyes had been convinced to join. His only condition was: Show us a million people on EDSA so it will b easier to bring in the service commanders.
“And they asked when the crowd was thickest; we told them: from three to five in the afternoon. So they agreed to come to EDSA at around that time. But while hiding in their safehouse, they got reports that General Calimlim could not be located and their first thought was: “He’s out looking for us!” So they decided to rush to EDSA right away. When they got there, why there too at the Shrine was Calimlim! He had been looking for them all right, but join to join them, not to arrest them!
“Our group there was a back-up strike force. In fact, it was our group that won over to our side the PNP first. If Panfilo Lacson had resisted, he and his men would have been repelled: there would have been bloodshed, but not on EDSA. In every place where Erap loyalists had a force, we had a counter-force to face it, with orders to shoot. And not only in Metro Manila. Carillo had already been sent to the provinces; and in Nueva Ecija, for instance, we had Rabosa. This was a fight to the finish. That’s why those five days that Erap was demanding were so important. He was counting on counter-coups and baliktaran.
“I was negotiating with Pardo up to three o’clock in the morning: niloloko lang pala kami. But I told him point-blank: “If by six o’clock this morning you haven’t given us the resignation letter, we will storm the gates of Malacañang!’ But they insisted on more talk: with De Villa up front, and my back channel debate with Pardo, which even became a three-way contest, with Buboy Virata pitching in.
“But the threat to march to Malacañang was for real. And so was the danger of bloodshed. I wasn’t telling Gloria everything: I didn’t want her alarmed. So she didn’t know about the orders to shoot.” #
Angie Reyes, had been in on it for quite some time… He said so himself (can’t find the Inquirer article anymore but Randy David commented on it himself.)
(Randy David commented about it in his Inquirer Column 14 May 2006 (but can’t find it anymore either. However, here’s my blog commens about David’s article Randy David writes on Gen Angie Reyes’ 11th hour decision )
In his PDI column of May 14, 2006 “Public Lives”, Professor Randy David, of the University of the Philippines dissected the 11th hour “explanations” of General Angelo T Reyes (Ret) CSAFP and why he organized a military mutiny that toppled a duly elected president of the Republic of the Philippines in 2001 in favor of then sitting Vice-President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo.
Randy David admitted that he himself “was jolted by the appearance of the military at the Edsa Shrine.” He averred that “it set a dangerous precedent.”
The good professor also pointed out certain “simplistic” manner with which General Reyes tried to justify the whys and the wherefores of his act in January 2001 which David admitted he simply glossed over when they were first published by the PDI in March 2001, under the title “The 11th Hour Decision.”
Now, I don’t want to dissect the reasons for Professor Randy David’s checking into or questioning Reyes’ “plea” some five years later. I am more concerned with asking the right questions which are answerable even by an ordinary PMA plebe or perhaps, why not answer Randy David’s questions myself…
Let’s tackle the points that David outlined in his column:
David says that by way of justification, Reyes declared “We made the decision because it was the only constitutional option left to avert a colossal disaster for the nation.”
Reyes was lying when he said that. He had bamboozled his major service generals into making that decision not because it was the only constitutional option left to whatever disaster he, a military man, saw but he because he had already committed his mutinous support to Madam Gloria Arroyo before that fatidic date. The proof? Madam Arroyo was sitting next door while Reyes was earnestly persuading, negotiating with AFP major service commanders to join him, waiting for Reyes to call her in and for Reyes to present her to the military ensemble as their “new commander-in-chief”.
Although it is easy for Reyes to imply later on that the military generals altogether made a decision, he didn’t specify that he fought it out with the -generals so that they could come to his way of thinking and only after he was able to placate the angry Air Force chief to pipe down. Given his “power of persuasion”, why didn’t he use it instead to defend the Constitution?
In fact, Reyes was being intellectually dishonest when he said that it was the only constitutional option left “to avert a colossal national disaster”. The more honest thing to say was that the generals weren’t convinced till the 11th hour to forsake their commander in chief. A major service commander in that gathering was prepared to fight it out with Lt Gen Espinoza’s band of rebel sources even minutes prior to the military climb on stage at Edsa and this is the truth.
Realistically at that crucial moment in history, the only Constitutional option left for the military to avert Reyes’ dreamed up “colossal disaster” for the nation was to keep the chain of command intact, to stand solid behind the legitimate coommander in chief and to protect the seat of government by defending President Estrada at all cost.
There is nothing in the Constitution that provides for averting a collosal disaster for the nation by a nonsensical “withdrawal of support” to purposely put in place a vice-president in place of a still sitting president. NOWHERE!
According to David, General Reyes also buttressed his reason with the following statement: “My decision was not directed against the government. It was to protect the government against forces ready to take advantage of the situation for their own ends.”
Not directed against the government? But of course, his decision was directed against the government – Estrada’s government. It would have been clearer had he said his decision was not against the State. Just the same, Reyes was simply trying to split hair or to hoodwink people into believing that his intentions were more noble than what they actually were – treacherous, treasonous and self-serving.
His decision was meant to protect the government against sinister forces? Then why didn’t he? According to Lt General Benjamin P Defensor, PAF chief (Ret), they learned that Lt General Edgardo Espinoza had been boasting that he was about to descend to Manila from Quezon province with a couple of Philippine Marines battalions three days before Reyes and his mutinous generals mounted the stage at Edsa. Why didn’t Reyes have Espinoza arrested on the spot? Espinoza’s ramblings were more than just muntinous, they were treasonous. Reyes should have ordered the Espinoza’s arrest illico and had him placed behind military prison bars until a court martial could have been convened to try him until the colossal disaster was averted.
Also, why did he not inform President Joseph Estrada, his commander-in-chief that a military rebellion was in the offing, led no less by a star-ranking officer? This clear act of ommission by the highest ranking commander, chief of staff armed forces of a legitimate president is an act of treachery in itself – there’s no other word for it! Could it be because he himself was playing ball with with Arroyo at that time for the ultimate military nonsense called “withdrawal of support?” Could it be because he had developed cold feet and decided that Espinoza who was being backed to the hilt by Arroyo was proving too tough a nut to crack? Could be it be a confluence of all those reasons that drove a thinking soldier not to think as a military commander at all?
Had Reyes wanted to really avert a colossal disaster, he could have commanded Vice-Admiral David Wong FOIC PN (Ret) to keep the Marines int their barracks. Vice-Admiral Wong was not a lightweight general – he could and would have been able to jump the gun on Lt General Espinoza had the Chief of Staff Armed Forces of the Philippines not played footsie with Gloria Macapagal Arroyo.
Any rational and thinking military commander, especially at Reyes’ level need not be told that when trying “to avert a colossal disaster for the nation”, the commander’s first and foremost duty is to make sure that all components of the military are accounted for and second, to issue a direct order that any officer who attempts to break the chain of command shall be arrested and court martialled.
So why didn’t he do any of the two basic acts required of an honest military commander in time of “crisis”?
Reyes, says Randy David, also had turned down an invitation to meet with Gloria Macapagal Arroyo, then president in waiting on the basis that he couldn’t do something like that “behind the President’s back, then the same thing could happen to Vice President Arroyo should she become chief executive herself one day.”
If Reyes had been honest from the start, he could have reported the “invitation” to his legitimate commander in chief whom he was duty bound to inform since the invitation was clearly a form of threat to the legitimate presidency. The invitation was an obvious attempt to subvert the top commander of the Armed Forces of the Philippines (Reyes hinted as much n his discourse) which didn’t seem only political in nature but had a direct impact on national security. So, what made him re-think his stand when he finally accepted to meet with Arroyo without informing Estrada as to what was being planned against the presidency? What happened to his thinking processes? Had flattering attentions from one section of the political spectrum began to go to his head and numbed his thinking ability to do what was the militarily correct thing to do?
Randy David also noted quite pointedly that Reyes did make contact with “retired General Renato de Villa, one of the closest aides of Vice President Macapagal-Arroyo, to get a picture of the situation from the United Opposition’s point of view.”
Aha! There lies the crux of the matter! The “thinking soldier” who boasts of an A-Star AIM degree in finance, had decided to seize the opportunity of doing his person a great career favor. In one sense, the going was getting tough and since the tough wasn’t going anywhere, he decided that it would be to his personal advantage to jump ship and join the Arroyo clan of conspirators through conduit General Renato de Villa, CSAFP (Ret).
There seems to be no other logical military explanation. Reyes’ motive for not defending the Constitution, not protecting the Republic from its enemies from within and beyond and for wittingly falling prey to the political overtures of Arroyo can only point to his personal career “betterment” – he seized the opportunity to seem, look and feel important in the eyes of the civilians who had been courting him. The temptation to be make history was so great that he lost all sense of nuance. In other words, his personal agrandisement and potentials for a higher, perhaps political, even presidential, carrer option were uppermost in his mind at that particular time. Either that or cowardice consumed his military person.
Therefore, I am convinced that given the foregoing, soldier Reyes was not being quite truthful then and neither is he being truthful today. Had he truly wanted “to avert a colossal disaster” for the nation and had not just seized on an opportunity to make himself a seat of importance in a different presidential setting, he could have made one of three decisions:
1. He, as chief of all the armed forces could have led the military in the performance of their solemn duty to defend the government at all cost against all enemies from within and beyond, arrested the military plotters beginning with Lt General Edgardo Espinoza, Arroyo’s favorite “Espi”.
2. As a military commander, he should have kept his commander in chief informed and advised of the security threats that were hounding his presidency and by extension, the government from day 1 of the brewing trouble, beginning with the “invitation” to meet with Arroyo.
3. At that crucial moment when he was convincing his major service commanders to commit mutiny and install Gloria Macapagal Arrroyo in Malacanang, one of the generals was fighting tit for tat with him and was saying, “Let’s call for a snap election now!”, Reyes could have gone for that suggestion. A snap election might not have been the ideal solution but it would have certainly averted the “colossal disaster” which he quite wittingly forced us to face today – breaching of the Constitution and the thwarting of the Rule of Law including one of the most subversive acts committed on a democratic republic: the military-judicial putsch which re-enforced the illegal Macapagal Arroyo occupancy of the presidency.
The worst thing that Reyes did as a soldier and a military commander is that instead of averting a colossal disaster, he wreaked havoc on the military institution by instituting a tradition of cowardice.
I agree with Randy David that it’s good to be a thinking soldier but what is not good is to be a cowardly soldier!
Angie Reyes, whom I know personally and dealt with personally, was a scum general and a shithead defence secretary … ask his money bag men, the Vacas.
To me, Erap, good or bad was the then legitimately elected and sworn president of the Republic — the military’s duty was to ensure that the Constitution was preserved by thwarting any threat to the Republic from within and from beyond — Erap, lousy and shitty a person he might be was the symbol of that Republic and its democracy (no matter how wobbly it might be), and Reyes and Davide, two of the insitutional sworn officers of the land at the time committed the most attrocious crime against the Republic and the people.
Because of their moral cowardice and their personal vested interest, the country reverted to the Taliban regime like of governance with misrule of law as its guiding doctrine. For that, they should not be forgiven.
They should be hanged for what they’ve done.
They should be hanged for what they’ve done and not idolised!
juggernaut – April 17, 2010 9:35 am
Its a bit absurd going all out against Davide and keep mum about Villar, Trillanes, and the Magdalo…if we are to shed light, let it shine on everything…or not at all…
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jug, absent ka ng pagtulungan namin nina Tongue at Anna si Trillanes when Magdalo endorsed Villar? Go back to that loop and tell me if we kept mum on Villar and Trillanes et al. Dito nga ay wala pa si Tongue….
“jug, absent ka ng pagtulungan namin nina Tongue at Anna si Trillanes” — chi
🙂 kawawa naman si Trillanes
But I’m beginning to believe that Trillanes must have a legitimate reason for his move. (Not saying it’s right or wrong but just an observation…)
Anyway, the fact that “Erap surrendered the presidency without a fight” does not exonerate both Davide and Reyes of their crime against the Constitution and against the Republic or the people.
Kahit saan lumipat si Davide ngayon,that does not matter. The issue is his opportunism, jumping a sinking ship and his hypocrisy. Talking about Gloria Arroyo’s corruption when he enjoyed and benefitted from serving and defending her the fullest until three weeks ago.
The harm that Davide did to the Filipino people, legitimizing Arroyo’s power grab is unforgivable.
Absolutely! And the worst thing, is that this craphead has the gall to face the nation, insult the intelligence of people by talking about Gloria Arroyo’s corruption when he enjoyed and benefitted from serving and defending her the fullest until three weeks ago.
He is shitting everyone about…!!! Putangina niya!
Wow, Anna.Thanks for retrieving those articles.
It’s good to have them on file and remind ourselves what’s the truth when some people try to refurbish it lies with the passage of time.
Anna, Senator Trillanes and I have already talked via FB emails. 🙂
Thanks for the retrieved articles, ayan hindi na sila makakapagsinungaling.
Anna:
I believe you. I said that in the context of Reyes and Erap’s being magkakumpadre. What seemed to us then was the reluctance on his part to launch pre-emptive strikes against Malacanang to resolve the impasse. Remember that he and Calimlim were with Erap until his last moments in Malacanang just to make sure that latter and his family would not be harmed. But I agree that he is a shithead. At least, that was the message he tried to convey in our monitoring of the events. But like u said, there was more than meets the eye. As usual, your sources are better than mine. Hands down. . . 🙂
Florry:
“Wow! Henry, so you have a free nightly access in your former office even though you were not with the PSG anymore? You were such a lucky guy to be accorded with that privilege. Maybe you were that kind of someone special.”
My dear, do u know where PSG headquarters is and where the presidential yacht is docked? They are miles apart. You didn’t even know which unit I was with during that time. If you don’t have any clue, please be careful with your comments. Ang galing na sana ng pasimpleng patama mo eh. Kaso lang sablay. . .try again later pag naitama mo na. . .:-)
Henry,
Naging curious ako kasi ang alam ko ang PSG, sila ang security ng presidente. Ang yacht ay naka-docked sa dagat so, kung saan nandoon ang president, may kasamang PSG security. Ang former office mo pala naka-docked din sa dagat at katabi lang ng Pres yacht kaya gabi-gabi nabubulabog kayo ni Erap, ganoon ba yon?
Let’s rewind the story behind the ouster of Erap in 2001 coup. Hilario Davide’s Supreme Court legitimized the illegal acts of Fat Pig and his co-conspirators.
General Fidel V. Ramos, et al Coups
‘We’ve Just Committed Mutiny’
In the midst of this political fight, a suit was filed on May 16, charging former Chief of Staff Angelo Reyes (now the Defense Secretary), outgoing Army Chief Diomedio Villanueva, retired Gen. Fortunato Abat, and retired Gen. Leo Alvez, with the crime of coup d’état, in regard to the withdrawal of the military’s support for the Commander in Chief, President Joseph Estrada, on Jan. 19, 2001. The law cited is clear: “The crime of coup d’état is a swift attack accompanied by violence, intimidation, threat, strategy or stealth, directed against the duly constituted authorities of the Republic … with or without civilian support or participation, for the purpose of seizing or diminishing state power.”
Certain facts about the coup are undeniable: General Abat, head of a retired military association tied to Ramos, organized support for the coup for nearly a year, as he himself bragged after the fact; and General Reyes, after meeting with Ramos, called the other military chiefs together to declare his intention to desert his allegiance to the constitutional mandate for civilian authority over the military. Despite efforts over the past year to deny that this Ramos coup was in fact a coup, those named in the suit have responded by admitting it, but calling it “justified” because successful!
http://larouchepub.com/other/2002/2921philippines.html
“Maka-exit nga at sama muna ako kay Tongue….” – chi
Hoy, hindi ako ume-exit. Ellentordesillas.com pa rin ang homepage ko. Hindi lang ako nagco-comment. Lurking lang. Wala kasing Wifi hotspot dito sa ospital. At saka ang sarap magbasa ng wala kang panig na dinedepensahan. Hahahaha!
Kaya pasayaw-sayaw lang muna ako habang kumakanta ng “Tan-taran, chu-churut-churut…”
Hahahaha!, pinalalabas lang kita sa lungga.
Mahirap magdepensa ng indefensible, inexcusable and unpardonable behaviours. Yan ang gusto ko sa cyberwarriors, kahit sino pa ay walang sinasantong kandidato, public, or appointed officials basta palpak ang modo.
There can be no, absolutely no justification for the failure of Reyes to defend the Constitution from its violators and niether should there be a justification for the crime of Davide against the people when he aided and abetted the violators of the Constitution to shit on the Rule of Law!
I can’t stress enough the fact that “Erap surrendered the presidency without a fight” does not, can not and should not, exonerate both Davide and Reyes of their crime against the Constitution and against the Republic.
Talagang spot on ka, Chi!
Florry:
Hahahahaha. . . a ship is never docked sa dagat. It is always docked in a port. So do you know which port she usually docks? If you know, there’s your answer. I’ve given you enough clues already that our late instructor sa elicitation class could allow. . . 🙂
I agree with Henry with regard to the nocturnal habits of Erap while he was president (as with the complete overhaul of the BRP Ang Pangulo gratis et amore.
He loved the BRP Ang Pangulo when it was either anchored, or under way (but not making way) and would spend a great deal of time there for varied reasons, good timing with friends and cronies (R&R 🙂 ), conducting checks on and whatever state business with some department heads, etc. In fact a yacht or another ship owned by ex US convict – tax evader Jimenez would make way towards BRP Pangulo and anchor beside her carrying aboard her (the other ship) a mixed bevy of Manila’s young socialites and starlets, etc., trying to entice Erap to join the fun.
It was not unusual for Erap to conduct state business involving the military aboard the BRP Ang Pangulo.
It was aboard the BRP Ang Pangulo when he decided that he would not sack/relieve a major service commander because he had suspected the said commander of having been a “supporter” of JdV.
Now with regard to BW (someone commented on this issue above), my take:
True that Erap and Dante Tan of BW had excellent buddy-buddy relationsip that involved both good time and money-making businesses but it is important to know one of the people who made the most money was Sen Cayetano (father of Alan and Pia Cayetano) in the insider trading schemes of Tan’s IP offering.
As we all know the BW Bingo project was meant to legalise jueteng and of course, the primary reason was to legalise jueteng but as ever, it was a business favour for Tan from Erap.
To be clear, we may accuse BW’s (or Tan’s)of lese majesté or of croynism, accepting presidential largesse or anything else but whatever business endeavours were put up by Tan in that (Bingo) regard cannot be equated with the crime of looting of the state coffers that Macapagal’s cronies have been involved in — not by a long shot, no way.
Dante Tan’s Bingo business (main business of BW at the time) must not be confused with Jaime Dichavez’ involvement as de facto head of the DOTC (poor Jun Rivera) where Dichavez carried life and death influence over state business.
Dang! I should know better… sorry, meant:
He loved the BRP Ang Pangulo when SHE was either anchored, or under way (but not making way)…
Henry,
A couple more questions if you don’t mind.
During Erap’s time you were James Bond. I understand that to be as undercover, or a government agent.
To my almost nil knowledge about the workings of the military, I assumed that maybe you are with the Military intelligence working for the government gathering information and data and always on the look-out for any sign of trouble that will compromise the security of the state.
Coup plotters or power-grabbers in a democratic government are enemies of the state.
My question is: If you are into what you call James Bonding, why did your group never came across on the plot to grab power from the government? That of course is not the job of Erap to always look at his back for putsies because he put his trust in the constitution that guaranteed his elected tenure. From day one of Erap’s presidency, there’s already a plan to grab power by the civil society group. That’s quite a long time until the plotters succeeded but how come the MIS or MIG or CDIG or whatever never learned of the plan.
Was it because of incompetence, ineptness or because the group was into the plan? That thing always puzzles me. Maybe I can get an answer from you.
Easier said than done Florry. . .the success of a power grab is more dependent on the secrecy of its inception as much as its execution. . . we did hear a lot of rumblings from the ranks but the ring leaders were far more too careful in the open so as not to telegraph their punches. Plans were discussed in the inner sanctum of the brass’s residences or in some posh hotels in Ortigas or Makati that our lowly intel operatives would have no way of accessing these rendezvous areas.
Others were downright conspirators. One thing that I’ve learned throughout the whole drama that was the Erap impeachment was that the television was a cruel medium. The vaunted Erap charisma and the battery of ‘de campanilla’ lawyers did not do him any good. I knew personally of so many soldiers who lost faith in him. If u ask me personally, no,I did not shirk from my duty to report what my unit monitored that time and believe me, it was a lot. In fact, I got reassigned to Visayas because of that. Not long after, I bid them all goodbye. I hope that gives you a little insight of my ‘inconsequential’ role in the Erap saga. . . 🙂
Thanks Henry, I appreciate it.
Henry,
From what I know a lot of our soldiers still love and respect President Erap. He was the only commander in chief who ordered an all=out war against the MILF and the muslim bandits. He likewise is the only President who gave one sack of rice per soldier per month. He has a caring heart whatever you say.
Masyado lang clouded ang pag-iisip niyo ni perl. Panay kasamaan ang nakikita at pinag-uusapan ninyong dalawa. Very typical of the civil society. Nobody is perfect, Erap has so many flaws but you have to credit him for the good that he has done naman.
d
It is actually the conspirators who should say sorry to the Filipino people. Ang boto kay Erap ay karapatan ng masa at kayo ang bumastos nito. Ano man si Erap, kahit na siya ang pinakamasama, siya pa rin ang binigyan ng kontrata ng taumbayan na maging Pangulo mula 1998 hanggang 2004.
Sapagka’t ang middle class at mga elitista na gaya ni Henry at Perl ay di matanggap na sila ay naungusan ng isang college dropout at artista, ay di na nakapag intay na mapatalsik ang tunay na halal na Pangulo.
The conspirators personify that bad Filipino trait called the crab mentality. Now we are made to suffer 9 years under Gloria. Ito ay karma sa bayan dahil sa mga taong tulad ninyo.
Dapat matuto kayong rumispeto sa karapatan ng masa.
It is actually the conspirators who should say sorry to the Filipino people. Ang boto kay Erap ay karapatan ng masa at kayo ang bumastos nito. Ano man si Erap, kahit na siya ang pinakamasama, siya pa rin ang binigyan ng kontrata ng taumbayan na maging Pangulo mula 1998 hanggang 2004.
Sapagka’t ang middle class at mga elitista na gaya ni Henry at Perl ay di matanggap na sila ay naungusan ng isang college dropout at artista, ay di na nakapag intay na mapatalsik ang tunay na halal na Pangulo.
The conspirators personify that bad Filipino trait called the crab mentality. Now we are made to suffer 9 years under Gloria. Ito ay karma sa bayan dahil sa mga taong tulad ninyo.
Dapat matuto kayong rumispeto sa karapatan ng masa.
Andres:
Marunong ka naman sigurong magbasa. Basahin mo ang sinagot ko kay Florry. Inspite of all his shortcomings, i did not join the mob at EDSA. I was doing my job. In fact, natapon pa nga ako sa Visayas dahil sa karereport ko sa mga hijo de patola! Matanong nga kita. Have u ever been in a firefight? Have u ever engage the enemies of the state so that ordinary citizens can sleep soundly at night knowing that there are lowly soldiers like me who are willing to risk their lives so u can have all the freedom in this world to criticize anyone u like?
Kung natanggal man yung idol nyo, wag ako ang sisihin mo! Wala akong kinalaman doon. Pero kung gusto mong malamam kung tama lang ba ang nangyari sa kanya, OO tama lang na nasipa siya! Bakit? Kasi niloko nya ang MASA nya na nagtiwala sa kanya. Paano? Nagpakasasa sya sa jueteng, kasama na si Jinggoy, ang sugal na kinababaliwan ng masa nya. Para siyang si Villaroyo. Nagpapanggap na mahirap pero kailanman ay di nakaranas na maghirap. . .
Florry:
You’re welcome. I hope we can have more of these cerebral discussions devoid of sarcasm and off-hand potshots. I admit, I get carried away sometimes, but rest assured, I did not mean to be rude to anyone here who don’t share my opinions. Thank you for your indulgence.
Kung nagpakasasa sa jueteng si Erap, bakit niya gusto itong gawing legal? Mukhang inconsistent ata. Si Alice Reyes na chairman ng Pagcor ang nagsasagawa ng legalization ng jueteng upang ito ay pumasok sa kaban ng bayan. Si Alice Reyes ay walang bahid at di niya ito gagawin kung mgay kalokohan ito.
Isang Chavit Singson, ang nagwala dahil nga mawawala ang jueteng lords na tulad niya kaya ayon nagwala at itinuro si Erap. Naniwala na man ang mga ungas at ginawa pang hero si Chavit Singson. Hero of Edsa Dos! Ayos ka Henry, ang galing ng bayani mo si Chavit. Oo na sundalo ka pero mukhang baluktot ang pag-iisip mo at hindi ako matatakot sa iyo.
Henry,
Bakit kinakailangan mo laging ipagyabang na ikaw ay sundalo dito sa ellenville? Para mangilag ang ibang bloggers sa iyo? At kung matino kang sundalo, nakasama ka ba sa ilang mga pagkilos ng mga kawal na may paninindigan gaya nina Trillanes at Gen. Danny Lim laban sa baluktot na pamamahala ni Gloria Arroyo?
Mukhang si Erap lang ang kaya mong laitin pare ko.
Di nakakasindak ang pagiging sundalo kung ang pinaglalaban namin ay ang aming karapatan at paniniwala.
Andres, I dont think Henry is “nagyayabang”. He is just sharing views from his perspective and that his as one who has served in the military.
Mam Ellen:
Ok lang po yan. Baka may masamang karanasan lang yan si Igan Andres sa military. Baka napalo ng truncheon o nabomba ng mabahong tubig galing sa estero kaya laging galit sa mundo. . . 🙂
“To me, Erap, good or bad was the then legitimately elected and sworn president of the Republic — the military’s duty was to ensure that the Constitution was preserved by thwarting any threat to the Republic from within and from beyond… — Anna
Yes , Erap is not PERFECT. We knew his flaws because his life is an open book. We believe the other presidential candidates are good or better maybe because we don’t know much of their past. But I believe ERAP did his best to for the good of the majority. He followed our Constitution even submitting himself to impeachment. I never recall any incident na magkaroon ng violent dispersal sa mga rally during his presidency dahil he believed in freedom of speech. He always allowed rallyist to express their grievances. It is only during his time na mataas ang respeto sa mga kalupisan. And the welfare of the military/police were met. The impeachment trial was our chance to prove that we are already POLITICALLY MATURED as a country. And we BLEW IT! Marahil dahil sa nasanay na tayo(including the military) na nagagamit ng mga politiko. Maybe we are used with tyrants o ito yung hinahana-hanap ng marami…SO SAD!
Henry90,
Parang hindi mo pa yata sinasagot yung tanong ni Saxnviolins dun sa #180. Interesado din kasi ako sa sagot mo.
Ka Andres,
Ayon ako sa tinuran ni henry90.
Ako’y hindi ibinoto si Erap bilang presidente dahil nakikipaglaro ako sa mga alakdan at talantula dito sa disyerto noong mga panahong iyon bukod pa sa hindi pa malay isagawa ang absentee voting subalit natuwa din ako’t umasam ng pagbabago noong siya ang manalo.
Laking tuwa ko noong ipinapulbos niya ang Camp Abubakar at kubkubin ng mga sundalo ang mga sattelite MILF camps sa paligid nito at itirik at iwagayway sa unang pagkakataon ang bandila ng Pilipinas. Natuwa akong lalo noong bigyan niya ng one cavan of rice allocation ang mga ordinaryong kawal na noong panahon namin ay hindi namin natikman.
Ang ikinadismaya ko lamang kay Erap ay ‘yung sobrang naging tiwala niya sa kanyang mga kaibigan at kumpare katulad nina Atong Ang, Chavit Singson at iba pang naging bahagi ng kanyang midnight cabinet na buong kakapalan ng mga mukhang sinamantala subalit bandang huli ay sila pa ang nagsilbing hudas sa kanyang pagkakatalsik sa Malakanyang.
Hindi katwiran ‘yung ayaw niyang ddumanak ang dugo kaya minabuti niyang tahimik na lamang na lisanin ang palasyo at isuko sa hudas na babae at sa ganid na asawang baboy. Si Erap na rin mismo ang isang dahilan kung bakit naghirap nang husto ang buong sambayanan sa loob ng siyam na taong pagtatampisaw ng mga gahaman sa salapi at kapangyarihan.
‘Yung pagkandidato niya ngayon ay paghuhugas na lamang sa kanyang nadumihang salawal. Sana nga ay manalo uli siya subalit duda ako kung kaya niyang ipakulong ang pinatabang baboy at ang dagang may garapata sa mukha.
MPRivera,
Ang paniwala ko ay hindi isinuko ni ERAP ang presidency kay Gloria, patunay ang impeachment court na pinayagan ng ilang uri ng taong bayan na mababoy ang Konstitusyon. Tulad ng tinuran ko, malamang ay hindi pa handa ang taong bayan sa TUNAY NA DEMOKRASYA! We had our chance to prove our maturity as a nation…and We BLEW IT BIG!
LVM:
Nasagot na po. Andun lang magkakasunod. Nasabi ko na di na ko PSG nung nangyari ang EDSA 2. Nasipa akong papuntang Visayas dahil sa karereport namin sa mga nagbabalak kay Erap.
Henry90,
Sinabi mo nang wala ka na sa PSG nung panahon ni Erap, at hindi trabahong mag-disperse ng rally. Pero kung at that time nga na PSG ka ng Presidente. Kung hindi na-disperse, ang tanong ay kung papalo ka ba ng mga rallyista?
Henry90,
OO o HINDI lang ang sagot!
Sa tingin ko, kaya nilisan ni Erap ang Malacanyang nuong EDSA 2 ay di dahil dadanak ang dugo ng masang Pilipino, kundi dadanak ang dugo niya’t kasamahan niya sa loob ng palasyo. May nakaumang ng mga matataas na kalibre ng mga baril at nakakasa na. Tama ba ang nasagap kong tsismis pareng Henry??? 😛
Kung matatandaan ninyo, si Ping Lacson ay “sumuko” na rin sa sitwasyon noong EDSA 2 at nagsabing “we are withdrawing support from Pres. Erap. May nakaumang ding mga baril at pwedeng kalabitin ang gatilyo kapag di umatras. 🙂
Alam yan ni FG. Siya yata nag plano nun eh. 😉
Kaya nga ba eh. Di pa mature ang mga Pinoy politically kaya tayo ganito. Maybe the Pinoys are not yet ready to have REAL DEMOCRACY!
LVM:
Di mo pa rin nabasa? Sinabi na ngang di trabaho ng PSG ang mang disperse nang nagrarally. Pero kung nandun ako at kakilala kita na ikaw nga si LVM, malamang papaluin kita ng truncheon kasi makulit ka eh. . .hehehhehe
di rin trabaho ni James Bond ang magdisperse. Monitoring for saboteurs and infiltrators trabaho namin. Pero kung insisting ka pa rin, sige na. Papaluin kita pag nandoon ka. . . . . hehehe
Mike:
Mamamatay talaga sila doon sa Malacanang. 81mm mortar lang ipapatak doon sa kanila e para na silang sinangag dun. . . yun ang pinakamahirap nilang kalaban dun. Di nila makikita kung saan nanggaling ang mortar kaya di makaganti PSG ng putok. Pag infantry lang, kakayanin pa kasi may mga tanke rin ang PSG. Pag ginamitan nman ng chopper, may 50 cal din pangontra PSG dun. Sa mortar talaga sila takot kasi maraming pwedeng panggalingan ang putok na di sila makaganti kasi maraming tao nakatira paligid sa Malacanang.
It was Angie with whom the Arroyos had been talking for almost a year prior to the coup d’état.-Anna
Almost a year… malamang hindi lang si Angelo Reyes at Gloria Arroyo ang nagpaplano nito… at hindi naamoy ni Erap at nakagawa man lang ng tamang aksyon… sino may pagkukulang dito bakit naging successful ang kudeta? CSAFP lang ba ang dapat magreport kay erap ng ganitong impormasyon.. ano ginagawa ng mga gabinete? ng PSG? ng ISAFP?
baka nman kasama sa toma at cassino session ni Erap? tsk tsk tsk!
Henry,
Agree… would be difficult for PSG to counter 81mm mortar fire unless there’s some direct vision of where firing is coming from (Btw, did army finally purchase Royal Ordnance mortars?).
But there’s potential defence v 81mm mortars because these mortars can be locked onto very easily by the missiles stationed in Malacanang; obviously to be effective, the PSG must determine where the firing will come from (and that won’t be easy) and besides, I wonder if they’ve [SAMs) been serviced as was recommended several times in the past. (Btw, si ex-boss mo ang bumili niyan.)
Although Malacanang missiles are SAMs, they can be used as SSMs if required or for as long as there’s some heat they can lock on to.
henry90 – April 20, 2010 5:05 am
Sa mortar talaga sila takot kasi maraming pwedeng panggalingan ang putok na di sila makaganti kasi maraming tao nakatira paligid sa Malacanang.
Anak ng putakte… mali pala pwesto ng Malacanang.. alam ng PSG weakness nila… natural na alam din na kalaban yan!
CSAFP lang ba ang dapat magreport kay erap ng ganitong impormasyon.. ano ginagawa ng mga gabinete? ng PSG? ng ISAFP? — perl
Besides CSAFP, any one major service commander could have reported to Erap if (1) that commander had wanted to (2) or if said commander had intel reports linked to subversion plans. ISAFP would have coursed their reports through AFP GHQ channels though unless a member of ISAFP was close to Erap or to PSG chief. Of course, you also have intel services of major service commands (PA, PAF, PN).
In that sense, there’s actually no need to go through DND if reports are vital to Erap’s security. Also, PSG, has its own intel operations (as Henry confirmed), so former PSG chief Calimlim must have known.
The AFP is a very small military organisation so it is easy to believe that subversion plans by some members of the military will remain an eternal well-kept secret.
Example: Angelo Reyes, who, btw, was a “production man” at intel himself during his junior years, wouldn’t have travelled to his rendezvous point with Gloria or with her emissaries on his own.
He would have been accompanied by a driver (military), an aide (military), a coterie of other military stringers, etc. These people may have been quiet/silent but they saw and heard (normal thing) — they are/were not dumb either, so there were people who would have known but weren’t prepared to do anything about it.
Erap trusted his generals so much he probably thought that the parties he gave in their honour in Malacanang (occassions when there were more stars in the palace than in the sky) that he had them “under control”. That’s why I said at one point that he was asleep on the job.
What’s surprising is that there were already snippets of news that or retired generals were stirring trouble, eg., Abat, Alvez (classmate of Calimlim, PSG chief under Erap), etc., before the impeachment exercises and months before the actual “withdrawal of support” yet Erap seemed to have taken these things for granted and so, he was caught flat-footed in January.
Erap’s greatest tactical failing was when Espinoza threatened to come down from Quezon to attack Malacanang on or about the 17th-18thh of January yet Erap failed to assemble his generals to give straightforward orders in his capacity as commander-in-chief thereby losing precious time.
He was probably overwhelmed and was so stressed out by the resignations left right and center by members of his cabinet at that point so could not think straight. Could be the only reason why he did not do something to try to avert the disaster himself.
ooops,
The AFP is a very small military organisation so it is easy to believe that subversion plans by some members of the military will not remain an eternal well-kept secret.
Btw, remember the Magdalo reunions prior to Oakwood? How did those secret meetings end in the news? There was a mole or someone squealed as per news report. That’s probably what precipitated the staging of the Oakwood “mutiny” (which to me was an attempted coup d’état and not just mutiny.) In other words, there’s always one or two in the military who knows and who may not necessarily approve of what’s going on. Problem is passing the info… and what happens to that info.
Luzviminda,
Maaaring tama ka.
Subalit bago magkaroon ng maturity ang taong bayan ay dapat munang manindigan at ipaglaban ng nakaupong presidente ang kanyang mandato. Paano mo susuportahan ang isang lider na nagpupusong mamon sa pagsasabing maraming madadamay gayung kapag nagsasaya sila ng kanyang mga kumpare at kaibigan nang magdamagan ay para bang wala ng bukas na naghihintay?
Kasabihan nga, pinagkatiwalaan ka, patunayan mo kung hanggang saan mo kayang panindigan, tayuan at ipaglaban ang tiwalang ibinigay sa iyo ng taong bayan sapagkat sa iyong pagpapasya nakasalalay ang kanilang kinabukasan.
Huwag nating palaging isisi sa taong bayan ang malaking pananagutang dapat isabalikat ng isang lider maliban na lamang kung nakikita na nga nilang palpak ay patuloy pa nilang susuportahan at aariing walang maaaring pumalit kahit sila ay damay sa paghihirap ng karamihan at nagkakasya lamang sa limos ng kunyari ay mapagkandiling pinuno na kilalang sinungaling, mang-aagaw at magnanakaw katulad ng hudas na babaeng may garapata sa pisngi.
luzviminda – April 17, 2010 11:00 pm
Nagbago ng stand si Noynoy, after ng ipa-utos ni Gloria na ipatupad ang resolusyon ng korte na IBIGAY na sa magsasaka yung lupain ng Hacienda Luisita na dapat ay 1967 pa napasakamay nila. Duon na lang kinalaban ni Noynoy si Gloria. Pero sa totoo lang ay pareho sila ng pakpak. At nananatili hanggang ngayon.
yang pamimigay kuno ng Hacienda Luisita sa magsasaka… kasama lang yan sa panggigipit sa mga Aquino…
kailan pa nagkaron ng malasakit yan si Gloria sa mga magsasaka o sa taong bayan? lahat naman ng desisyon nyang babaeng may garapata sa mukha ay may halong pulitika o personal na interest para maisalba ang kanyang ninakaw na posisyon… madali lang naman pakisamahan yan si Gloria eh kahit galing kang oposisyon… basta pumanig ka sa kaniya,. tapos ang problema mo… ang mahirap ay ang manatiling oposisyon dahil siguradong gagawin ang lahat… makaganti lang sa’yo
hindi bat mas vulnerable ang presidente ng democratic country? So Ramos lang (ata) ang hindi na kudeta.. pano coup plotters…
In my view, it’s always been the generals who had been undermining our Democracy. Erap will not be deposed if not for these people. There’s no Hello Garci, if not for these people, Magdalo and Lim’s group will not be in jail to eternity, until today (except for Lim and few others), if not for these people. Just look at the history of many graft and corruptions involving the generals, especially those former comptrollers from Marcos time to date. Just look at pandak’s government after Hello Garci came out, She become irrelevant with those ex-generals running the show and holding key positions in our government, especially those government controlled corporations in parnetship with her. Many talk about pandak’s crime or disservice to many and yet nobody seems to talk about those ex-generals in her cabinet directly involve in many issues hounding our country, especially issues related to graft, if not, direct thieving of our government coffers. Pandak get the blame, the generals gets the money. I’m not saying pandak is not to blame she is. She’s equally responsible for letting this things happen in the open to include other dealing politicians. She should have resigned from her position long ago instead of prolonging her failed and undermined government. People still talk of possible junta without realizing we are for quite sometime now.
“…….Alam pala niyang ang kurakutan nina Arroyo, bakit tumahimik siya at nagsipsip sa pekeng presidente? Bakit ngayon buwan lang siya nag-resign?…..”
Ilang buwan ba siyang naging ambassador ni gloria sa UN? Kuwentahin ninyo ‘yung suweldo niya kasama na ang allowances na sobrang isang milyong piso kada buwan. Sayang din ‘yun, di ba? Kaya ngayon lang siya nag-resign.
Paano mo susuportahan ang isang lider na nagpupusong mamon sa pagsasabing maraming madadamay gayung kapag nagsasaya sila ng kanyang mga kumpare at kaibigan nang magdamagan ay para bang wala ng bukas na naghihintay?
Hay naku Magno. Paano nga naman? Sabagay, may point ka.
mukhang concession kay davide ni gloria noon yung amabassadorship kasi hinayaan ni gloriang “siraan” ng mga conjuangco si davide.
that said ang kapal ng mukha ni davide na magmalinis pagkatapos niya tanggapin ang appointment niya to the the u.n. na against the rules. tapang ng apog.
tandaan nating nagsimula si davide as a politician. na born-again to a “clean” public servant nung concon at sa comelec. sa supreme court, he tried to appear clean but insiders know he was one of the justices who can be “convinced”. (Digress: you have to give it to arpan, kahit ma-drama siya, he was the only during that time who cannot be “convinced”.)
sa tantya ko, yumaman si davide ng mga 36M pesos in the UN. nice work if you can get it, right? siguro akala niya danyos niya yun sa mga ginawa ng conjuanco sa kanya.
ngayon naman he’s prostituting himself for his son who wants to be governor. jun jun davide is not the sharpest tool in the shed. cebu is between a rock and a hard place.
my fear is that noynoy will treat davide like cory did. i hope noynoy will use and discard the old coot.
Thanks for the answer Henry90, now i can formed an opinion on what kind of a soldier(?) you are.
“Huwag nating palaging isisi sa taong bayan ang malaking pananagutang dapat isabalikat ng isang lider maliban na lamang kung nakikita na nga nilang palpak ay patuloy pa nilang susuportahan at aariing walang maaaring pumalit kahit sila ay damay sa paghihirap ng karamihan at nagkakasya lamang sa limos ng kunyari ay mapagkandiling pinuno na kilalang sinungaling, mang-aagaw at magnanakaw katulad ng hudas na babaeng may garapata sa pisngi.”
MPRivera,
Ang taongbayang sinasabi ko ay yung katulad ng mga taong nagluklok kay Gloria, tulad ng grupo ng EDSA2 at ang mga nagoyo nito. Ang mga naghaharing civil society at mga kapitalista na magpalit man ng presidente ay kayang-kayang mamuhay sa ibang bayan. Hindi nga ba at sa kabila ng mga paggu-goodtime ni ERAP ay maganda ang showing ng kayang administrasyon. Mas maganda ang sitwasyon sa buhay ng mga mamamayan at patuloy pa sana ang paglago ng ekonomiya ng walang pagmamagic sa stats. Hindo sana kinokontrol ng ilang negosyante ang mga basic services na nagpapahirap sa bayan. Eh ano kung mag-gudtime sila kung makakapag-goodtime din naman sana ang mamamayan. Sa sitwasyon natin ngayon ang grupo ng EDSA2 ang nag-gu-goodtime. SO SAD.
LVM:
Yeah right. At alam ko na rin kung anong klase kang mamamayan at dapat lang na disiplinahin. . .lol