Yesterday, Pulse Asia released its latest survey conducted March 21- 28 which showed Liberal Party’s Benigno “Noynoy” Aquino III (35 percent) maintaining his 12 point lead over Nacionalista Party’s Manuel Villar (27 percent).
Partido ng Masang Pilipino’s Joseph Estrada was third with 18 percent followed by Lakas-Kampi-CMD’s Gilbert Teodoro with 7 percent. The rest of the presidential candidates got two percent or less.
But there’s another survey I got last Sunday which showed a different standing of the presidential candidates.
The survey firm, Campaigns and Images Group, and its research arm, “Tools and Strategy, Philippines” are new to me. Their analyst is Aniceto “Abbey” Canturias.
An Internet search shows Canturias is no stranger in market research. In 1991, he, along with newspaper publishers and editors, formed the Campaigns & Image Group. Through his PR management, Canturias worked in the successful vice presidential bid of Sen. Joseph Estrada in 1992. He also was Visayas Bureau chief of The Manila Times from October 1999 to March 2001 and editor in chief of The Freeman Mindanao from August 1995 until September 1999.
CIG’s survey, which is given to Philippine and foreign clients, is much more detailed. Their base is 2,550 respondents. They have focused surveys on different age groups and economic sector.
The result of their survey, conducted April 1 to 4, on the most likely winner in the May 10 elections has Villar, Aquino, Teodoro in the top, in that order.
CIG explained that the “irreconcilable differences” between their findings and that of Social Weather Stations and Pulse Asia “stemmed from statistical samples that are obtained in the National Capital Region and used as a random base for nationwide analysis.”
Click below on the details of the survey:
CIG April 1-5, by Age Brackets;
CIG, April 1-5, by Economic Sector;
CIG, April 1-5, by Campaign Efficiency;
CIG, April 1-5 SWOT Analysis
From their research CIG said they have established that “Communication strategy, messaging, and choice of media (TV and radio) win heart and minds. This observation means that: Voter response is tied to issues they hold important in their lives; audiences relate themselves to the life and experience of candidates; candidate who has leadership capability, management experience and integrity; who is perceived to be transparent, and who presents a better platform, gets higher preference; the more ads aired, the deeper messages sink in.
They also said, “Organization (logistics) wins campaigns.”
They said “Preferences change over time in the run up to balloting; creating and sustaining perceptions of being ‘winnable’ are inadequate; and vote conversion drivers hold the key to victory.”
On Villar, CIG said, TV’s top spender “has begun surging forward for the finish line 35 days into May 10, 2010 election day.
His advantages include: a stream of nine gubernatorial defections from the ruling Lakas party; alliances with 110 congressional candidates nationwide, including 45 from the administration party; strong cooperation initiatives with two major progressive, left-leaning groups.
“Although under strain from allegations he was not the poor guy his TV ads impressed upon the public mind, he has gained a formidable ascendancy—challenged and hard-pressed on top of positive gains in the last three months from a TV and radio mileage that runs with a prime-time exposure of more than 96 minutes per day on major networks. As intensive TV advertising and word-of-mouth campaigns raise public awareness on the senator’s ascendancy and platform, the top-of-mind shares of Villar has begun to pay off into vote conversions,” CIG said.
CIG also said the 60-year old Villar by far is the most prepared presidential aspirant—logistically and functionally. His central staff oversees well-coordinated, efficient, well-financed teams that touched base with NGOs, communities, corporations, and influential families across 51 million voters nationwide. Men and women on the ground use person-to-person, person-to-companies, person-to-groups, and person-to-organizations to present his platform and solicit support.
“ Altogether his candidacy is expected to rake in 31% of the national vote,” CIG said.
On Aquino, CIG said his slide from his high ratings late last year “had been largely attributed to widespread perception by the public about his lack of management experience and leadership capability, on the one hand, and dependence on the legacy of his parents (former president Corazon Aquino and Benigno Aquino), on the other.
Despite the slide in his acceptability ratings, he remained popular though in the National Capital Region and townships around Metro Manila where voters are known to support candidates perceived to be the “genuine opposition.”
CIG said “ the Aquino campaign, mobilized only late in October 2009, has been hamstrung by a weak organization and inadequate funds. It has gained little from the defections that struck the ruling party Lakas toward the end of March 2010 and is getting less lift from cash-strapped allies in 81 provinces of the country where the Liberal Party fielded “token” candidates. “
“The outpouring of respect and sense of loss (that was felt nationwide during the funeral procession for his mother emerged) has soon died out; it cannot sustain the emotional hype upon which his presidential draft was set,” the survey group said.
CIG, which caters to the business community, said, the good-versus-evil messaging Aquino had used against opponents, has apparently produced a strong adverse reaction.
“Voters in the industrial sector had expected him to avoid mudslinging and present a decent, high-level, platform-oriented campaign. For most of them he sounded ‘vindictive’ and crying out for revenge for the scorn President Arroyo has had shown against his mother,” CIG said.
On Teodoro, CIG said, “As the predominantly Roman Catholic nation went into the Lent holidays, it was already certain for Teodoro that the party has been weakened by kinks in leadership and organizational structures. Advisers feared that the party may lose the capability to undertake an effective campaign and to promote his candidacy. He was to beat the clock in rousing the public’s passion for him and sustain that passion and interest at a financial cost only Mrs. Arroyo can fully provide. His decision to step down from the chair triggered a wake of resignations from other party bigwigs and more defections to the opposition Nacionalista Party.
Whether he will be able to recover quickly remains a subject of speculation, CIG said adding that his consolation is that “his initiatives in university and college professors and students had paid huge electoral premiums.”
As to the former president, CIG said, “As election day nears, Estrada finds himself losing grasp of the finances and organization he needed for yet another forceful comeback to the Philippine presidency.”
Ang ipinagtataka ko lng,bakit tuwing lalamang ng malaki si Noynoy kay Villar may lumalabas ding ibang survey na papabor kay Villar(Ed Malay survey)pero nung halos statistical tie silang dalawa wala namang ibang survey na lumalabas?
Ellen, hindi gumagana ang links sa survey details.
Di na dapat pag-takahan ang nag-su-sulputang ” sobre- Surveys “, na bago ang mga panagalan..Pangkalma iyan ng kanilang minimithi ( na manalo ). Nasa sa kanila ang Milyong salapi, at mga tusong utak ( Think tankers ” na bayaran ),katulad nina , Pacman, Marcos, Arroyo, Villar, Wowowee, Singson, magbigay na lamang sila ng tig-mimilyon sa ‘bayarang surveyors, di lito na naman ang mga “undecide voters” ( ito ang kanilang targets ) hindi yong captured objectives-electorates, na pabor kina NOYNOY-ROXAS, LP. .This is logic…bantayan na lang ng mabuti ang Comolect sa prosiso, dahil isa pa din ito, na may naka-laang bilyon, pati na yata pma ’78..baka maulit ang assperon-Hello-garci era..Sa pagiging panguluhan ( Villar ),or bilang isang pangulo lamang sila, makababawi ng mga ginastos na bilyong salapi, sa kompanya…POLITICS is a billionaires business…dahil businessman si Villar…NONOY is just using politics as a vehicle or medium to transport and restore democracy that had been restored by Cory, and tampered-distorted by the present regime, GMA admin.This my analysis..
ellen, kakatuwa naman itong cig. masyadong efficient. nagsagawa ng nation wide (kuno) survey ng April 1-5 tapos kinabukasan me resulta na, malalalim pa ang analysis. isa lamang ang masasabi ko. bago ginawa ang survey (kung totoo mang me survey) tapos na ang analysis at lahat ng report na ipalalabas. super good ang cig para maprocess lahat ng kinalap nila na datos ng wala pang 24 oras. basura lang ito. walang kwenta di dapat bigyan importansya
Hmmm, newspaper publishers and editors kamo ang namumuno nito? Ilan na ba of their ilk ang nabayaran na ni Villaroyo? Mga intangibles ang pinagsasasabi, kesyo radio, TV at print advertisements. Ganoon na ba kababaw ang Pinoy na magpapadala sa walang truth in advertising ploy nila?
Would this be the basis of the “Lutong Gloria?” As in “Hello Garci” Part II? Huwag naman, at gusto ko nang umuwi para maka-contribute ako sa nation building. Pero kung mga buwaya pa rin ang maghahari diyan, huwag na lang!
Isagani, okay naman dito sa akin ang links.I checked it.
From Marlon Carpo:
Can’t you see the writing in the wall? Granting that the survey you are referring to put Villar to be the next president, you mean to say that the other surveys which shows Aquino is leading are the aberration and not the survey you are referring to? Come on, whether the survey you quoted is correct, there is what they call median and average in statistics, in which if you combine all the surveys, including the one you received (im wondering why the papers did not published it immediately J), it will still put Aquino to be the leading candidate.
Marlon, I don’t look at writings on the wall.
As a journalist, I gather all information that are relevant to the issue.
I made a background check on this group and nothing indicated they are bad characters.
Now, these are what they got. If it doesn’t jibe with what you have or you want it to be. Then, ignore it.
Believe in what you want to believe.
CIG, I was told, does the survey for business clients. Mostly foreign investors.
I learned about them so I wrote them and they sent me their survey. I asked permission to use it for publication and they gave me the permission.
I don’t know why others didn’t get it. That’s not my basis in assessing infromation I got.
Madali palang mambola ng foreign investors sa NasPi. The survey is long on descriptions, and tenuous in the math. It admits that the agricultural sector employs 32%, but its survey took only 14% from that sector.
The industrial sector employs 13%, but the survey has 30% from the industrial sector.
Apparently, only the employed were interviewed. How about the unemployed? How many are they?
There are also those who are not looking for work – retired, full-time mom, etc. They are not included in either the employed or unemployed. They are not part of the labor force. How many are those?
Naglagay pa ng ubiquitous SWOT (strengths, weaknesses, opportunities and threats) analysis, a staple of MBA types, that is lots of garbage. You don’t need a masters to do this. This is dressed up haka-haka, which Mang Andoy my kutsero, and Pedrong Barbero can easily dish out.
Baduy na baduy ako diyan sa SWOT na yan when I was in school. (I only did the MBA on a scholarship to see Spain. They could have awarded me a scholarship in vulcanizing for all I care).
the truth is , CIG can be bought and its survey results manipulated , therefore it is better to IGNORE AND DISREGARD CIG , and just consider credible survey firms like SWS and Pulse Asia. CIG was part of the dirty tricks of dirty politicians like villaroyo and Giba. Its another proof of the gross insincerity and treachery of villaroyo and Giba.
The CIG survey was not intended for public consumption. It was intended for some special clients as their guide and was published only in this blog thru their permission. Taking that into account, this survey is more reliable than the others, because it’s not intended to create a public impression for the leading candidate. Unlike the others that the aim is too obvious that they are trying line up the people to a bandwagon.
Their analysis on Noynoy is right on the money: “had been largely attributed to widespread perception by the public about his lack of management experience and leadership capability, on the one hand, and dependence on the legacy of his parents (former president Corazon Aquino and Benigno Aquino), on the other.
They said it all and there’s nothing left to say.
Hahahahaha
Growing ascendancies? Ano yan? Businessmen actually buy this?
Formidable ascendancy na naman. Somebody get this guy a thesaurus.
Top-of-mind shares. Nagpapa-cute ka ba?
well. it all boils down to one thing… anumang survey ang mangyari, wala pa ring kakayahan si Noynoy to be the highest executive of the country… sa survey lang siya nananalo pero it will never be converted to actual votes…
i like CIG’s analysis… totoo namang walang kaayusan sa grupo ni Noynoy… paano magiging maayos yun kung kahit presidential candidate nila, wala rin sa ayos…
congrats ellen! 🙂
I read their SWOT Analysis.
This new survey is clearly obviously a Villar-sponsored survey. Look at the language used. Subtle but not that subtle for a trained eye. Obviously crafted to justify Villar’s lead and Nonoy’s slide in their survey results.
The usual desperate attempt to plant seeds of doubt regarding the results of the more reliable SWS and Pulse Asia surveys.
Mr. Villaroyo, sir. Tama na yan. Stop the deceit, the lies and the manipulation already.
Infected po ba ng virus ang Ellenvile, parang may mali sa pc ko.
Big business is a hard-nosed lot. They won’t fall for this ploy..if the ploy is also meant to extract campaign contributions from them.
Baduy na baduy ako diyan sa SWOT na yan when I was in school. (I only did the MBA on a scholarship to see Spain. They could have awarded me a scholarship in vulcanizing for all I care). -atty sax
Hehehe!!!
Uso pa sa CIG ang SWOT, ang baduy nga!
Ellen,
The links download Word readable documents. You must have MS Word or compatible software to open the documents.
In any case, the CIG survey and their use of SWOT seems(at least to me) more of a propaganda as may be apparent in their summary(SWOT Analysis.)
off topic: sana mai publish din ang tungkol sa mahiwagang ballot secrecy folder, php380 ang halaga ng kada isang folder na aprobado ng comelect en banc. dr arwin serrano ang talaga bayani kasi ibinulgar agad niya kahit mapanganib ang ginawa niya hindi katulad ni jun lozada kung kelan lang kakatayin na saka lang kumanta. sana maraming pinoy ang kapareho ni dr. serrano na di alintana ang panganib sa buhay para sa kapakanan ng nakakarami.
Gloria to Lakas: “Make Gibo win!”
No problem if she has two candidates. So henceforth, anti-Gloria campaigners’ slogan will be:
“Anybody but Gibo and Villar.”
As long as gloria is still alive, bale wala ‘yang mga survey na ‘yan. Kahit maka 100.99% pa si Noynoy o si Irap. Talo pa rin sila sa midnight operations ng mga galamay ng babaeng hudas!
Hellow, Garci? Ang dagdag! Ang dagdag!
Ala’y dapat nang matapos ang mga kawalanghiyaang ganire na sumibol, yumabong at namunga ng hitik sa ilalim ng pinakasalaulang administrasyong namayagpag sa kasaysayan ng pulitika sa buong mundo.
Tama nga naman ireng aking kabayan kapag ang kupal na si Jocjoc ay ibinoto ng mga taga Capiz.
Ating basahin:
Nalibre na, kandidato pa
http://www.abante.com.ph/issue/apr0710/op_am.htm
In my view, portions CIG report is meant to portray Villar as someone leading and better than the others, and with choice of words and presentation diminished or malign other presidential aspirants with emphasis on Noynoy by discounting his stand on good governance, his ability to maintain his base of support considering that he has been leading in surveys even with funding limitations. One noticeable twisting of fact is on Gibo’s unfunded campaign and yet the report implies he is second only to Villar when it comes to funds/pledges. In addition, the heading attributed to each candidates, at first glance, says it all as well.
With this report followed by a commentary from paid journalist, or an announcement from a group, is like conditioning psyche of unsuspecting voters to focus their perspective towards Villar and at the same time discredit the label of him being an Arroyo candidate by implying Gibo is well funded, being an administration candidate. Looks like in preparation to counter the Villaroyo tag, which many believe is true!
Billions for TV and radio ads is not enough to tire and brainwash the people to submission. It only show they have no regard to the people well being and will manipulate just to get votes. Other candidates have not been this brazen just to get votes, even others who are lagging in surveys.
Gloria to Lakas: “Make Gibo win!”
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Sala sa init, sala sa lamig talga sitwasyon ni Bigo. Hindi maganda para kay Gibo ang ganitong pahayag galing kay Gloria… pag hindi nman nagpahayag si Gloria ng ganito, lumalabas na si Villar naman ang sinusuportahan…
Hay, Gibo.. sayang ang talino… hindi ginamit.. Bobo! Bigo!
ellen
pls take a careful look at the age bracket segment survey.. table 1 18 to 28.. table 2 to 4 is a subsegment of table 1.. right??
but look at the undecided closely for april 1 to 5.. table 1 (april 1 to 5) is 7%.. look at the average undecided of table 2 to 4.. they are supposed to be near 7%.. they are not..instead they are 40 to 45%.. look a athe 29 to51.. undecided is 75 to 80%… then for 52 age up .. only 2%…. i have spent hours trying to add it up.. doesnt add up..
im not trying to insinuate anything.. just that the numbers doesnt add up..
unless my eyes are fooling me… table 1 shud add up to table 2 to 4 but it dosnt.. unless they encoded it wrong..
age 29 to 51– why the very high undecided voters 75% and up while 52 up is 98% decided??
can any guys check this out
Ellen,
Iba nga ang sampling nila sa sws at sa pulse. Pero hindi kaya tinatamaan o sakop din sa sample ng sws at pulse ang base na ginamit ng grupong ito?
Kung sabagay, pwede natin sigurong tignan ang survey na ito na parang isang malaking focus group. Kumbaga nirefine pa nila yun mga age at economic groups. So ang tema ng kanilang survey ay mahahalintulad siguro natin doon sa tinatawag na rider questions na commissioned ng mga kandidato. Ang mga rider questions ay ang ginagamit ng mga campaign strategists kasi yun ang nagbibigay linaw doon sa mga gross numbers na for public consumption. (May bayad ang mga rider questions at for clients’ eyes only ang mga yan.)
Ngayon, ano ang personal na opinyon mo tungkol sa survey na ito? Napansin ko kasi na ipinapaabot mo sa iyong mga readers ang survey ng walang komento mula sa iyo. Gusto ko sanang malaman ang pananaw mo.
manuelbuencamino,
Nadale nyo Sir, napansin ko lang din na sa mga past posting dito mukhang nadala ng MAGDALO syndrome and we all know kung sino ang manok nila…yan ay pananaw ko lang naman
Ano ang pagkakaiba ng MAGDALO kay Loren Legarda, Satur Ocampo at Liza Maza?
Well, it just goes to show that whatever their results are, it’s still not a sure win for any candidate. Di natin pwde i-dismiss ung results, but di rin nman natin pwdeng gawin basis agad. Maganda nman ung pag-conduct nila ng surveys, and di natin maikakaila, may point din sila sa deliberation ng kanilang results. Sa mga nagtatanong bkit kasunod ito sa SWS/PULSE results, kasi po hlos pareparehas po ang bracket-ing ng dates nila… At nun una po, ayaw nila i-release ito into public kaya di natin nababalitaan. I think it was back in February, when those non-political commissioners just gave permission to release the results to the public. Dun sa mga negative at against sa results, di nman po nila pinagpipilitan ung results sa inyo, kaya “be cool”, baka atakehin kayo sa puso niyan e. Peace..!
Manuel, matagal ko nang sinabi, sino man ang mananalo sa eleksyon, basta malinis lang at talagang kagustuhan ng taumbayan okay lang sa akin. Bilang manunulat kung sino man ang nasa kapangyarihan, babantayan namin at ipa-alam ang kanilang ginagawa.
I have said it before I will not vote for Villar nor will I vote for Noynoy, Erap or Gibo.
I’m thinking of leaving the presidency blank.
The CIG survey presents one view that is different from what we get from other survey firms, SWS and Pulse Asia. I take all things into consideration because I’m not in a position to talk to the 50 million voters and get their views.
jpax,
Ang tanong ko kay Ellen ay walang intrigang kasama. Gusto ko lang malaman ang pananaw niya doon sa survey at sa grupong gumawa noon. Wala kasi akong alam tungkol sa kanila. Bilang isang magaling na investigative reporter sana maipakilala niya sa atin itong grupong ito at bilang isang kilalang kolumnista ay sana magbigay siya mg opinyon tungkol sa grupo at sa kanilang survey. Yun lang.
Sa pagkakilala ko kay Ellen hindi naman siya magkukunwari kung meron siyang tinutulungan na kandidato. Maganda nga na siya’y isa sa mga mga iilan peryodista na sumusubaybay sa trial ng magdalo. Kung wala siya eh hindi na natin malalaman kung ano ang ginagawang katarantaduhan ng military commission.
The matter of weakness in Aquino’s organization is valid. Manuel, you should know that. You are close to the LP campaign.
Rather than malign people who tell them the weakness of Aquino’s campaign, his supporters should work to address that issue.
@Ellen: Yes, we know that. Marami lang sobrang mag-react at pati yata kayo gusto rin i-character assasinate. Mas gusto po namin na all-sides katulad nito ay mababasa po namin, at kami po ang bahalang mag-isip ng para sa amin. Wala pong mali sa sinulat niyo, bagkus binibigyan niyo po kami ng magandang balanse sa pamamagitan ng walang bias na pamamahayag na very rampant nowadays… Mabuhay po Kayo..!
Jpax, hindi ko alam kung ano ang sakrispisyo na ginawa mo laban sa diktaturang Marcos. I don’t know if that would match the trials that Satur went through.
Hindi ko rin alam kung ano ang ginawa mo para labanan si Gloria Arroyo. Alam ko ang laki ng sakripisyo na ginawa ng mga Magdalo.
Kung magkaiba man kami o tayo ng desisyon sa ibang bagay, that does not detract from the fact that they dared make a stand against Arroyo’s abusive government.
@Ellen: I mean rampant po ang bias na pamamahayag at kaunti lamang ang katulad niyo.. Maraming journalist ngayon ang nagsisilbing “political technicians”… Salamat po sa pagiging fair at hindi bias.. Mabuhay po Kayo..!
This CIG survey analysis doesn’t sound like it was written by a professional survey firm. It sounds amateurish.
It goes way way beyond just stating the facts. It interprets too much. It extrapolates too much. And insinuates too much from the data they apparently “manufactured”.
Totoo yan alitaptap. But that is not something readable from the numbers in the survey.
Seems to me the numbers were used to justify editorializing, and making conclusions/generalizations like Villar “formidable ascendancy”, “top-of-mind share”, and “voter conversion”, as well as Noynoy’s lack or organization, and Gibo’s pull on the youth.
No self -respecting statistician will read that much quantitative inference from the data gathered. The data can only tell you which age groups and economic groups favor or reject you, to indicate where you should exert more effort. What effort will be effective on the group, whether slogans, platform, or plain vote-buying cannot be revealed by the data.
This guy’s claim to fame is his working on Erap’s VP campaign. Selling Erap in his prime (fifteen years ago) is not an achievement. Not selling Erap is.
Mam Ellen, wala po akong naging sakripisyo sa panahon ni Marcos sapagkat ako’y musmos pa lamang ng mga araw na yaon, hindi ko din po minamaliit ang naging sakripisyo ni Satur Ocampo ako po ay nagkokomento lamang sa mga kasalukuyang pangyayari base sa mga naging stand nila noon kumpara sa ngaun.
Maaaring wala din po akong naging sakripisyo para labanan si GMA unlike ng MAGDALO na alam nyo at alam din ng mga nakakaraming pilipino isa na po ako sa mga tumingala sa kanila sa kanilang paglaban kay GMA , ang mga komento ko po ay base sa mga kasalukuyang pangyayari base sa kanilang naging stand sa nakaraan.
Mukhang ang puntirya ng lahat ay sa maralita, from Erap para sa mahirap, to Villar galing sa mahirap, to Noynoy’s ibibigay ang Hacienda Luisita (haven’t heard from Gibo).
Ang tanong ko, ano ang nagawa nila para sa mahirap? Pare-pareho silang matagal nang naglilingkod sa pamahalaan. Ang track record sa “poverty alleviation” (naku big words na naman) ang dapat ungkatin.
Surveys taken from different data will yield different results. Pulse Asia although taken from bigger samples now, is random and also consistent with its previous methodology and is quite consistent with its result. while the other maybe its first reports and has to follow up with the same data gathering to prove its consistency. But in my own experience quite many reputable survey firms missed the actual preference of voters in actual polling results. And that is one of the great surprises of Elections, assuming it is free and vibrant.
kaya siguro ang puntirya ng lahat ay ang mahihirap ay dahil sa madali silang maluko dahil na rin sa wala silang means na mag research pa tungkol sa mga kandidato.
Norpil, ang boto ay sa mga mahihirap. Class D and E (the poorest groups) comprise almost 50 per cent of the population.
Jpax, hindi ko alam kung alam mo ang buong kwento kung bakit si Villar ang inendorso ng Magdalo.
Kung hindi, siguro dahan-dahan lang sa paghusga ng tao.
At sino ang gusto mong dapat inendorso nila? Kung si Noynoy Aquino ang gusto mo, tanungin mo si Noynoy kung tanggap niya ang Magdalo at kung gusto niya kasama sa pagserbisyo sa taumbayan?
Trying so very hard itong CIG. Sabagay ay hindi naman para sa mahihirap ang puntirya ng survey na ito dahil wala namang maiintindihan ang kumakalam ang sikmura sa presentation/dissertation nito. Big words, sabi nga ni atty sax. They meant nothing to many of us pinoy.
At sino ang gusto mong dapat inendorso nila? Kung si Noynoy Aquino ang gusto mo, tanungin mo si Noynoy kung tanggap niya ang Magdalo at kung gusto niya kasama sa pagserbisyo sa taumbayan? – Ellen
Ayun na!
Nakakatuwa po iyung SWOT-Analysis kay Manny Villar. Parang introduction para sa guest speaker. Hehehe.
At sino ang gusto mong dapat inendorso nila? Kung si Noynoy Aquino ang gusto mo, tanungin mo si Noynoy kung tanggap niya ang Magdalo at kung gusto niya kasama sa pagserbisyo sa taumbayan? – Ellen
Huh? Ang ibig ba nitong sabihin ay si Villar lang ang tumanggap sa Magdalo bilang kasama sa pagseserbisyo sa taumbayan, at ayaw dito sina Noynoy, Erap, Gibo, Dick Gordon, Eddie Villanueva, JC delos Reyes, at Jamby Madrigal? What, pati si Vetallano Acosta ay hindi rin pumayag? Yun ba yun?
And if that were the case, bakit kaya ang National Chairman ng Samahang Magdalo, si Gen Danilo Lim, ay sa partido ni Noynoy sumama at hindi sa gusto silang makasama na si Manny Villar? Bakit? Bakit? Bakit?
it is an individual choice…not because the majority of the members endorsed Villar, it would mean that the whole group are for it…hayaan na lang sila…total it is your individual vote that would count..
@ Rose
I wish it were that easy. Kaya lang, it involves the National Chairman opting to join and support someone na “hindi gustong makasama ang Magdalo sa pagseserbisyo sa taumbayan”, as I seem to grasp from Ellen’s statement.
Wonderful ‘di ba?
Pero kung kayo ay isang grupo, and dapat sana ay lahat kayo ay nagkaisa kung sino ang susuportahan. Palagay ko naman ay nagtipon at nag diskusyon ang Magdalo upang bumalangkas ng mga guidelines kung sino ang aani ng kanilang boto. Siyempre, hindi naman lahat ang sasang-ayon; kaya lang yung mas marami sana ang mananaig at huwag na lang mag-endorso sa publiko ng iba yung mga Magdalo na hindi sang-ayon sa napagkasunduan. Para makitang may “block vote” sila. Kuro-kuro ko lang naman ito, pasensya na.
Maiba lang:
Eto palang si Nestor Mata ng Malaya ay Khembot Boys din pala. Nakakatuwa .. si Banayo rin ng Malaya ay tira ng tira kay Villar at yong isa naman kay Villar …… magsuntukan na lang kaya sila!!!! heheheheeheheheeh … Tanong sino sa kanila ang kumita???????
Napabilis yata yong kamay ko …. sasabihin ko sana “si Banayo rin ng Malaya ay tira ng tira kay Villar at yong isa naman kay Aquino …… “
Lurker, buo ang Magdalo sa kanilang sinusuportahang kandidato.
http://magdalo.org/2009/10/25/magdalo-para-sa-pagbabago-party/
Kapinoyan, Magdalo’s party chairman is Sen. Antonio Trillanes III, not Brig. Gen. Danilo Lim.
But they are supporting Gen. Lim together with Col. Ariel Querubin in the senatorial bid of the two.
Ellen, please enlighten me on why the Magdalos went for Villar.
Did they really want to? Was Villar their first choice? Or were they just following the wishes of their leader? Who is that leader?
Were they rejected by the party of Noynoy? Why? Who specifically did not want them in the party? Were there demands made on the LP that the LP could not or could no longer give? Some slots perhaps for senatorial positions?
What really is the story behind this?
Lumabas na ang unang barako sa kanyang marangyang kural. Ito ay matapos lumamig muli ang isyu tungkol sa pagbibitiw ni Gibo bilang chairman ng partidong BaKLa (Bagong Kampi-Lakas) na dating PaLaKa. Nagpaospital ng pinutukan ng lintek na ‘yun upang makaiwas sa media dahil siya ang promotor ng pagtatalunan ng mga kokak sa dagat ng basura.
Kasi ba naman, alam nilang mag-asawa na si Gibo ay hindi tunay na kanila. Sampid lamang kumbaga galing sa ibang bakurang hindi din nila talos kung hanggang kailang at saan ang suporta sa kanila. Doon na lamang sila sa nagpupumilit na dating mahirap sapagkat iisa ang kanilang puhunan sa pagpapalawak ng balwarte – ang panloloko at pagsisinungaling kasama na ang pag-iwas at pagtakas kapag sumasabit sa hindi nila inaasahang kapalpakan.
Iisa nga ang kulay nila. Kulay hmmmmmmp, baho!
Ellen,
Tulad ng lahat ng campaign organizations meron kanya-kanyang strengths at weaknesses. Tignan mo ang pag-amin ni Villarroyo sa kakulangan niya bilang pagpapaliwanag niya kung bakit bumaba ang rating niya sa bagong pulse survey. Ganoon din ang kampanya ni Gibo, nakikita natin na nagkawawatak-watak ang koalisyon ng Palaka.
Tulad ng lahat ng ibang campaign organizations, ang grupo ni Noynoy ay patuloy na inaayos ang kanilang organisasyon.
Ganyan talaga ang kampanya – magulo, madaming sumasali, madaming gustong tumulong galing sa iba-ibang grupo na madalas ay magkasalungat sa maraming ibang bagay. Nagkasasama-sama lang sila sa pagsuporta sa kandidatong pinaniniwalaan nila. Maliban doon madalas walang ibang common ground ang mga suporter ng isang kandidato. May mga kanya-kanyang pangarap at interes kasi kaya ganoon. Pero okey lang yun kasi ganyan ang demokrasya at ang isang organisasyong demokratiko.
Sa katotohanan lang ang ayaw kong makitang manalo ay si Villar, Erap, Gibo, Gordon, at Acosta.
Para kay Noynoy ako pero kung ang mananalo ay si Perlas, Jamby, Villanueva, o si JC okey na din yun kesa doon sa mga nabanggit kong ayaw ko.
Hindi ko na kailan ipaliwanag pa kung bakit di sila nararapat paupuin bilang presidente kasi ang kanilang mga track record at alyansa ay sapat na paliwanag na.
Phil,
VERA Files has a news item on that:
Detained Senator Antonio Trillanes IV said the Magdalo group’s support of Nacionalista Party’s Manuel Villar came after Liberal Party Benigno Aquino Jr. spurned them.
Responding to a Facebook query why the reformist group of young military officers endorsed Villar, Trillanes said, “The group reached out to the Noynoy camp and, sadly, after weeks of waiting, they said they cannot guarantee that we would be able to serve in their administration.”
Click here (VERA Files) for the full report.
Tedanz, Lito Banayo is in the Aquino campaign organization while Nestor mata is the father of Jan Mata, who is one of the media officers of Villar.
Makapag-pigil hininga ang kahihinatnan ng halalan sa Mayo! Kaya lang maraming tulog pa!
“Tedanz, Lito Banayo is in the Aquino campaign organization while Nestor mata is the father of Jan Mata, who is one of the media officers of Villar.” – Ellen
Very obvious naman diba? 🙂
“I’m thinking of leaving the presidency blank.” – Ellen
Me too. Still can’t see who’s really deserving to be the president among the candidates. But wait, come to think of it, maybe the country would be better off without any president at all. Ang matitira lang ay yung senate and house of representatives plus the SC. Cabinet positions will be nominated and voted by both chambers as a whole. The real problem is we depend too much on one person, the president and he has too much power, and controls the country’s purse.. Pag matino at magaling, swerte natin ang kaso palaging bugok ang nananalo. Hehehe antok na yata ako, magulo na ang utak. 😛
Trouble rocks LP camp
Team Chiz, ‘toxic’ to Mar group, eased out (www.inquirer.net)
Kinakabahan ba si Kuya Mar na pumusisyon si Chiz sa pampanguluhan by 2016 o dahil lang hindi siya kundi si Binay ang endorsed VP ni Chiz.
As to my readings, Chiz’s commitment was only with Noynoy and did not include Mar Roxas.
“Villaroyo” or just plain “Arroyo?”
Doubt in Manny Villar’s leadership (especially the moral and ethical qualities of a leader) may have been the cause of his descent in the surveys. His hunger (or lust) for the Presidency is apparent in his campaign.
A glimpse of what he said in the past may somehow explain the NEED for him to become President. Manny, who likes looking back in the past, answered this when he was asked in August 1995:
(Emphasis mine.)
…and Manny also admitted Re: Mix of business and politics, July 2008:
Moreover…
To a “doubting Thomas” like I am, I believe he’ll continue to mix business and politics knowing for a fact he very well knows how to woo the common man (the “mahihirap” majority) to submission.
However, this reading (between Manny’s lines) will happen with a President Manuel B. Villar, Jr. without regardto the MORAL and ETHICAL issues that were, are, and will be involved during his incumbency.
Mix of business and politics. No morals, no ethics. Villarroyo?
No. He’s also an “Arroyo,” no doubt!
Lito Banayo is one of the most brilliant , wise, outstandng, good and courageous journalist of the Phil. , like Conrado De Quiroz, Billy Esposo, etc… Mabuhay to them ! May their tribe increase ! They were not blinded by the shine of gold, nor intimadated by guns or goons ! They chose Truth against lies, integrity against money, good against evil.
Re the support of the Magdalo for Villar, Isn’t it selfish on their part that their support should have a promise of government positions. They don’t have the monopoly of being the group that has the best interests of the country in their agenda, there are other ways of serving the people than having the guarantee of picking strategic positions in the next government.
On Baycas2’s Comment (#69):
Makes one’s spine tremble. Villar as President will be more dangerous than Gloria.
And there’s that deceitful mind again. He insinuates in his ads that he will not engage in business while in politics. But that statement above belies it.
Definitely an immoral and an unprincipled mind.
srcitizen2000 – April 7, 2010 6:04 am
ellen, kakatuwa naman itong cig. masyadong efficient. nagsagawa ng nation wide (kuno) survey ng April 1-5 tapos kinabukasan me resulta na, malalalim pa ang analysis. isa lamang ang masasabi ko. bago ginawa ang survey (kung totoo mang me survey) tapos na ang analysis at lahat ng report na ipalalabas. super good ang cig para maprocess lahat ng kinalap nila na datos ng wala pang 24 oras. basura lang ito. walang kwenta di dapat bigyan importansya
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nice one srcitizen2000! sa obserbasyon mong ito… hindi ko na kailngan tignan pa ang detalye ng survey results ng CIG (Campaigns & Image ni Gloria).. hahaha, ang tindi ng technical analysis nila pero palpak ang petsa! hirap talga maging duktor!
@ Bonifacio
Magdalo is as magulo as their choice. Now they seem to have one chairman, then another, depending on every contingency. http://www.samahangmagdalo.org/site/?page_id=68
Very amusing.
@ Ellen
Were they really spurned, or did not just get an immediate answer from Noynoy’s camp and they are merely exploiting this as an excuse for readily endorsing Villar? And who could have rejected these motherhood conditions? It was then rather early for endorsement, pero bakit ba para silang atat-na-atat sa pag-eendorso kay Villar? Come on, may iba pang kumikinang na kadahilanan.
Btw, were they also spurned by the other candidates?
Re: Trillanes-Villar connect – please read the comments thread, esp. Tongue’s, in Ms. Ellen’s:
“Villar, Honasan, Trillanes, Lim at a Wedding”
posted June 21, 2009 @ 12:21am
and
“Sen. Trillanes’ Position on Ethics Case of Sen. Manny Villar”
posted February 1, 2010 @ 1:37pm
Read this at Ricky Carandang’s twitter:
“Everyone has their own reasons for making their choices. Don’t assume everyone else is not capable of making a correct choice.”
“Hell hath no fury like a (wo)man scorned.”
Kaya naman pala nagalit at binasted ni Noynoy ang Magdalo dahil una nilang love si Chiz at hindi siya, nagselos siya kaya bilang revenge, binasted niya sila.
“I admire Ronald Holmes, president and managing fellow of Pulse Asia, another major polling agency, for being candid and cautioning the public against taking surveys as gospel truth.”
http://www.manilatimes.net/index.php/opinion/14777-polling-firms-face-acid-test-in-may-poll
Ellen – April 8, 2010 12:44 am
Phil,
VERA Files has a news item on that:
Detained Senator Antonio Trillanes IV said the Magdalo group’s support of Nacionalista Party’s Manuel Villar came after Liberal Party Benigno Aquino Jr. spurned them.
Responding to a Facebook query why the reformist group of young military officers endorsed Villar, Trillanes said, “The group reached out to the Noynoy camp and, sadly, after weeks of waiting, they said they cannot guarantee that we would be able to serve in their administration.”
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I believe on trillanes’ reason because Noynoy can easily deny it if this isn’t true. Maliwang pa sa sikat ng araw, ayaw lang ng Noynoy’s camp na magbigay ng pangako sa sinuman kapalit ng kanilang suporta sa halalan… Noynoy made a good stand.. ito dapat gawin ng lahat ng kandidatong gusto talgang paglingkuran ang bayan… kugn gagamitin pa din ng susunod presidente ang “utang na loob” system.. hindi na talga tayo makakabangon sa kangkungan…
nagtanong ako sa “old thread” kugn bakit sa tingin ng iba naging mayabang ang LP… ito na marahil ang kasagutan… sorry, but I dont think it is “kayabangan”…
hindi ko masisi ang mga Magdalo, tingin ko, kailngan lang nila maniguro na nasa panig nila ang susunod na administration… mahirap ata manatili sa loob ng kulungan…
the words “spurned” and others used “rejected” and “busted” on this case… hindi ata tama…
There were other options for the Magdalo if the LP camp could not guarantee that they could serve under a Noy-Mar administration.
But the Villar option is what they chose. And for that alone, I am inclined to think there is something wrong with their values.
But then, of course, I don’t know the whole inside story.
Kapinoyan, kung ang kumikinang ang kanilang interest, di si Noynoy na sana ang kanilang inindorso.
I’m speaking from a verified information. Hindi ko alam where you are basing your allegations.
Christian, re # 70. I’ve removed my name from your comment. Please don’t include me in that list.
I’m not in their league. I ‘m not in Noynoy Aquino’s advisory group.
Just a short comment on the CIG report…I know that when you write a report for CEOs and businessmen or any group that is ultra-busy (they’re not academs who have the luxury of reading tomes), you make sure your writings are simple and direct to the point. There is such a thing as writing to be understood in one reading. This one is clearly like a marketing format—it is to visually impress.
On Nyoynyoy’s rejection of Magdalo:
Ellen:”The group reached out to the Noynoy camp and, sadly, after weeks of waiting, they said they cannot guarantee that we would be able to serve in their administration.””
Ellen,
Tulad ng paniwala ko, na ang mga taong nakapaligid at nagpapagalaw kay Noynoy ay hindi pwedeng matanggap ang grupong Magdalo dahil ang Magdalo ay ‘straight at righteous’, at makakasagabal sa mga balakin ng partidong Liberal. At isa pa ay andun pa rin ang galit at trauma ng mga Aquino sa mga sundalong hindi kanila.
Ups, sorry, the quotation above is not Ellen’s but from Vera Files.
Ellen, since you claim to possess verified information na kung sa kumikinang ang interes ng Magdalo sa pagpili ng kandidato ng grupo ay dapat si Noynoy ang pinili nila, I am soooooo surprised you never wrote at length about this. To me, and I’d like to venture even to your many, many readers, this is a very important piece of information. Don’t you think we too ought to know this?
Do you mean merong kumikinang na inialok sa kanila ang LP kapalit ng kanilang suporta?
kapinoyan,
may mga miyembro ng magdalo ang tumatakbo pagka mayor o kongresista… baka nandito ang problema…
kagaya na lang sa Taguig… tumatakbo si Layug pagka kongresista pero kalaban si Freddie Tinga na taga LP… Papayag ba si Layug na umatras sa laban at suportahan si Tinga? Pipiliin ba na suportahan ng LP si Layug kesa kay Tinga? ito ang nakikita kong malaking problema… pwde mo din silipin ang ibang kandidato ng magdalo kung san partido at kung may kalabang taga LP…
May incosistent eh…
Dito may offer ang LP na hind tinanggap ng Magdalo:
Kapinoyan, kung ang kumikinang ang kanilang interest, di si Noynoy na sana ang kanilang inindorso.
Dito naman may demand ang Magdalo na hindi maibigay ng LP:
Responding to a Facebook query why the reformist group of young military officers endorsed Villar, Trillanes said, “The group reached out to the Noynoy camp and, sadly, after weeks of waiting, they said they cannot guarantee that we would be able to serve in their administration.”
@ perl
Tama ka. May inconsistency. But what I find most incongruent and too paradoxical is Magdalo’s endorsement of Villar with those of its advocacies. They are like oil and water, darkness and light, black and white, el nino and la nina, good and evil.
And I see no imperative for Magdalo to make that endorsement at all, and so hurriedly at that!
Sana Ellen would tell us kung ano yung kumikinang impliedly dangled by Noynoy but which did not interest Magdalo.
More than a full day and no additional post here. Maybe everyone is yet awaiting further enlightenment from Ellen? And hoping too, that one is forthcoming before this thread is closed.