by Gerard Naval
Malaya
Cardinal Ricardo Vidal, archbishop of Cebu, has reportedly prohibited priests from celebrating today’s “Mass for Truth” at the University of San Carlos which ZTE star witness Rodolfo “Jun” Lozada is scheduled to attend.
Sr. Estrella Castalone, executive secretary of Association of Major Religious Superiors in the Philippines (AMRSP), in a phone interview, said Judy Adriano, their organizer in Cebu City, told her “that the priests have been prohibited from saying the mass for our group by Cardinal Vidal.”
She said she has yet to confirm it with the Church officials of Cebu. The archdiocese of Cebu could not be reached for comment.
Castalone said in the event that no priest would be available they will instead conduct a truth forum with students and residents of Cebu City.
Aside from the province of Cebu, Vidal’s archdiocese includes the dioceses of Dumaguete (Negros Oriental), Maasin (Southern Leyte), and Tagbilaran and Talibon, both in Bohol.
Vidal had questioned the treatment being accorded to Lozada by bishops, religious groups, local officials and students.
“Why do we have to make him a hero?” he told reporters last week in Cebu.
He added that the Cebuanos are already aware of Lozada’s pronouncements regarding the national broadband deal and that it is not necessary for him to be invited to Cebu.
“Cebuanos are intelligent enough to understand Lozada’s statements and do not need to listen to it one more time,” the prelate said.
Justice Secretary Raul Gonzalez also ordered officials in his home-province of Iloilo where Lozada recently paid a visit to monitor him for any seditious statements. But Lozada received a warm welcome.
Lozada has alleged that the President Arroyo and her husband Mike could be directly or indirectly involved in the anomalous $329 million broadband deal with China’s ZTE Corp.
Lozada has said that despite threats to his life, he accepts invitations as guest speaker in a series of Masses for Truth around campuses in Metro Manila so he can better bring his advocacy for truth to the people.
The “brown envelope” must be mightier than the TRUTH!
It’s Green Envelope (St. Patrick Day).
I remember reading an article about Cardinal Vidal meeting some Malakanyang people or allies sometime last week in Wack-Wack and later this Remonde going to Cebu to explain the government’s side on this so-called political mess.
So this is the Cardinal’s answer to those meetings.
May I ask Cardinal Vidal: How MANY PIECES OF GOLD have you received from Malakanyang?
“Naulaw gyud ko kaayo, Monsignor, kay gibaligya man nimo ang imong PRINCIPIO! IKAW ra ba ang PINUNO sa Simbahang Katoliko! KAULAW ka man, uy!!!
Cardinal Vidal went to Wack-Wack? To play golf? Wack-Wack is Abalos’ Empire.
These priests should remind Filipino Catholics of the pharisees who were enemies to Christ, and were most responsible for having Him crucified.
Hopefully, Lozada and family will not suffer the same fate as that witness who was denied sanctuary in a convent in Guadalupe.
Bet you na walang Spirit ng Panginoon ang mamang iyan. Dinaan lang siguro sa sipsip ang mga promotion ng mga iyan. Kawawa ang mga taong napapailalim sa mga ganyang mga pinuno ng simbahan kuno.
Abalos may have resigned but he may now be the official “briber” of the Pidals!
Nag gogolf din ba ang mga obispo? It is an expensive sport!
I couldn’t even remember which newspaper was it written and I also doubted the article because I had the same question , “why in Wack-Wack” when it is an Abalos country?
It appears that the prince of the Church is under the payroll of the Office of the President thru PCSO and Pagcor. Cardinal Vidal has to protect his sponsor.
Paano, Sister Estrella, pag nagpamisa kasi si Mikey at Datu Arroyo in support of Gloria eh hindi bababa sa fifteen thousand pesos ang binibigay sa bawat pari. Kaya, kita mo, ang dami ng co-celebrants (or concelebrants ba tawag doon?). Malamang may mas malaking tongpats ang obispo o cardinal na bossing noong mga pari. Eh, kayo po, Sister Estrella, banana cue at matabang na pine-apple juice lang yata ang kaya ninyong ibigay. Pwede naman yatang kayo na lang ang magmisa, Sister; wala lang consecration ng host and wine. Allowed po yon, di ba?
How can we respect the CBCP when we know that they are a party to the very decay of our church? If they are indeed receiving donations from illegal sources, they are also a party to the crime committed by these hoodlums giving them the money!
Why will Vidal ban his priests for saying a mass for Lozada? Isn’t Lozada and his guests not entitled to be blessed? Is it only the Evil Bitch and her court entitled to hear masses when they please and where they want? Double standards na naman itong si Vidal. No wonder the youth and most of the citizens do not really respect the so-called Pastoral message. It is a message of hypocricy!
Ms. Sahara, Wack-Wack is now the meeting place of the crooks. Instead of Malacanang, Wack-Wack is now where Arroyo distributes envelopes. There, it’s a lot easier to give excuse such as “Well, we met by accident when I also went to play golf.” “Knowing that I also play golf, he invited me for a few rounds.” As for Cardinal Vidal, he could always reason that he was there to bless the new Burger Stand and the new golf balls. He could even say he was there to offer Mass for the players.
If Lozada is invited by a group of people to speak on what he knows about the ZTE-NBN broadband deal, who are the bishops to give a political opinion about him and about the purpose?
Why are Filipinos allowing themselves to be cowed by some superstition mongering political prelate disquised as apostles of Christ?
This is 16th century Catholicism — nothing to do with modern Catholic faith!
Ipinagkanulo na ng simbahan ang ulo ni Jun Lozada.Ang simbahan ay katulad ni Satanas na kilala bilang dakilang manlilinlang. Ang kanyang relihiyon, ang kanyang pilosopiya, at ang kanyang gawain ay batay sa panlilinlang at kasinungalingan. Ang kanyang layunin ay hadlangan ang gawain ng nagsasabi ng katotohanan sa pamamagitan ng pagliligaw sa atin at sa huli ay upang gawin tayong “kaaba-abang katulad ng kanyang sarili”
Some bishops like cardinals Vidal and Rosales will have to dine in hell with Gloria and Mike Arroyo Pidal soon.
Vidal is spiritually bankrupt as proved by this No Mass for Truth in Cebu. Gosh, for once Cebuanos…assert your rights to hear the truth. Kontrabida na ang image ninyo sa 2004 elections cheating, pati ba naman hangga sa ngayon na naghahanap tayo ng katotohanan sa korapsyon ng mag-asawang demonyo Arroyo?! Maiiwanan kayo niyan sa pansitan!
Paano ka ba naman makikinig ng misa kung ang mga bishops na kaharap mo ay mga korap na tulad ni Vidal at Rosales?!
Politics is the name of the game lalo na sa CATHOLIC church. Padrino system is also a part of it..kahit na sa Roma I think..so being the only Catholic Country in Asia ano pa! This is very true among the Diocesan Priests and in the hierarchy of the Dioceses. Seguro mayroon din..pero sa Religious Order gaya ngJesuits,Franciscans,Benedic-tines, etc. pero they have a vow of poverty. Ang Diocesan priest WALANG
WALA…kahapon sumilip ako sa isang Life of the Spirit Seminar sa dating parish ko where I still teach CCD. I also wanted to meet the new Parochial Vicar who I was told was from Panay..I had to ask where he was yon pala halos sa harap ko lang..at bakit ko hindi nakilala? na ka maong na akala mo si James Dean (dahil matangkad siya) quite tight jeans..at ang laki ng kwintas niyang ginto na ang akala mo si Cardinal Wolsley. Ang sabi ko sa Madre na puti..Gosh Sister I could not believe what I saw..ang sabi ni Sister..Rose he is quite different..
Rose,
Ang mga korap bishops na spokesmen din ng Diocese of Malacanang ay sina: Vidal of Cebu; Gaudy Rosales of Manila; Mla auxiliary bishop Bernardino Cortez; Diosdado Talamayan of Tuguegarao; Juan de Pueblos of Butuan;Ramon Villena of Nueva Viscaya. I forgot that one of Quezon. Kung meron pang iba ay pakidagdag na lang.
Si Soc ay medyo bumabawi, malaking mass for truth ang ginawa sa Bataan last week. Natauhan na yata o ayaw mahuli sa pansitan!
For your info.
Rose, you touched on a sensitive point why priests now look, behave and wear clothes like ordinary men. We can no longer distinguish between a priest and ordinary person today. Some priests wear modern clothes and fancy accessories. If they enter night clubs, you won’t be able to know them. So…why be surprised the growing moral decay among the Catholics? Because those who are supposed to be role models are the ones now worse than the flock they’re shepherding.
to cont: karamihan sa mga Obispo ng Diocese ay naka Limo at de Chauffer..at marami sa kanila ay nag go golf..kasi ang iba na man sa kanila ay dati na naglalaro lalo na ang may kaya..at marami nag reregalo sa kanila..lalo na sa pasko. Kaya marami dito sa parish namin ang hindi nag bibigay sa Arch. Bishop’s appeal..but many help..gaya sa Holy Thurs. (washing of the feet) ang hiling sa amin to bring towels para sa mga shelter homes or places. I give my time and talent but I rarely give extra money..
No wonder I saw on TV lots of luxury vehicles like SUV going in and parking at the CBCP compound when they were having deliberation regarding the CBCP statement they were issuing recently. Those were the vehicles of the Bishops complete with drivers and sometimes bodyguards.
With regards to Cardinal Vidal..he may ban Lozada to talk sa mga simbahan..and the nuns and other priests may have to obey him..pero may iba na mang paraan..why not just have an ecumenical service..with ministers of other religious sects? and the sisters nakasama niya can give niya will give them the Holy Eucharist..hindi kasalanan ang hindi pagsunod sa Obispo on their political beliefs..in matters of faith (which only the Pope could pronounce ito ang sinusunod ng mga obispo at pari, yes kasalanan ang hindi pagsunod) but other than one is free as in bird and may not follow them..itanong na rin nila kung ano ibig sabihin ng mga pari diyan sa “the magestirium” of the church or what is also known as the hierarchy of the church..
One sister commented that they could still go on with “Interfaith” rally or meeting. From purely Catholic now it’s called Interfaith. That can only mean that the Catholic Church has lost people’s respect that Catholics now have to join other religions to express their grievances against the government.
Sana other ministers of other religions..protestants, aglipay etc. if they are also for truth,they should pick up the cause of Lozada for the search for truth where the Catholic church and bishops like Cardinal Vidal refuses to..The search for truth is not the exclusive property and right of the Catholic Church..Truth is a teaching of Jesus thus should also be done by the church..and people should be informed..that is probably why many of us really don’t know the teachings Jesus..selective ang gusto nilang malaman natin..Time is Changing..we need to open our minds..and they need to open the minds of their members..ang pag ipit sa katotohanan ay magiging sanhi ng maraming pagalis sa Catholic Church…Can you blame them?
bitchevil: I was hired and worked as Secretary and receptionis of a churh here in JC. I believe in stewardship being an accountant and I do have the Archdiocese of Newark’s certificate to teach CCD, RCIA and Pastoral associates I voluntered to do these..kaya lang there were certain things that were not kosher so I opened by mouth and told the pastor.. a lady friend of the pastor didn’t like what I was doing sinumbong ako sa pastor na mga kakampi ko daw ang mga ka contra niyang parishioners..kaya I was told not to be friendly to the “trouble makers” as I only work there.. Sa galit ko..I left a note I was not coming back..I am retired so the pay didn’t matter much..tulong ko sa simbahan..I was paid $5/hr as Sec, accountant, etc. so when I left they could not find any one to replace me to do at the price they paid me..they now have three people and paid them more (wala atang libre sa
kano) I still go there but no matter how much they hint that I go back patawawa ako..Priests are also human..gaya I have experienced and saw how they are..I am very vocal in what I think about what they are doing..and they know I went to school..kaya kahit ganyan we maintain a respect for each other kahit na yong naging boss..I look at it this way their hands are the only ones that can consecrate the money and blood of Christ..
Chi: Nagulat din ako sa pagbabago ni Bishop Villegas..but I still am cynical about them..hindi ko siya kasi kilala..Is Vidal a native of Cebu? Hindi there was a rumor na gagawin ni Arroyo na Capital ang Cebu? Ito seguro ang pinagdadasal ni Vidal..kaya ganoon nalang ang paglalangis niya kay Arroyo..Ang masabi ko lang “Father forgive them for they know not what they do!
Pareng Cocoy,
Hindi lang sa lansangan may mga hudas at manlilinlang, mayroon ding hudas sa simbahan na nagkukubling pastor ng mga karnero. Nakakalungkot isipin na mas matuwid pa ang mga iba diyan sa tinatawag nilang itim na karnero kaysa mga pastor na nakasuot ng puting abito na nagpapanggap na alagad ng Diyo. Sa Jeepney man ay may nakasulat, God know Hudas not pay. Sa akin naman, God Knows Hudas not speak for the truth, support those seeking for the truth.
BE and Rose:
Filipino ideology as a distinct Christian identity?
Ang Kristiyanismo ay isa sa mga counter culture at kaisipan na ipinopraganda para mapabagsak ang Roman Empire.
Ang Filipino identity ay isa sa mga proponent ng American Empire. Pakitanong ito sa Fil-Amerasians at kung ano ang ibig sabihin ng Lil’ Brown Brothers?
Kaya nga inilabas ang multo ng islamo-pasismo na nag-anyong Abu Sayaf at Jemaah Islamiya para hanapin ng kapinuyan ang salvation nito sa Filipinism.
Alam naman natin kung sino ang mga founding fathers ng Republika ng Pilipinas at Las Islas Filipinas.
Hwag ka magtaka Rose, na ang ibig palang sabihin ng MINSUPALA Republic ay , MINDANAO-SUGBU-PALAWAN.
Parang noong panahon ng gyerang sibil sa Amerika. North versus South.
Na ang tinatahak na labanan ay ang Unionist versus Confederacy army.
Palagay mo sino ang panalo?
I forgot to ask..do they do Ecumenical Services sa atin? The priests who were banned from saying mass in Cebu are those from the Diocese of Cebu..sakop iyan ni Cardinal Vidal..but then courtesy could demand other priests to respect the wishes of Card. Vidal kaya it is best to just stay away..kasi sa Ecumenical Service if organized by non catholics inviting the catholics to break bread with them..hindi na seguro sakop ito ng authority ni Card Vidal..Mas maganda lalo if Lozada will go to Cebu and let him talk to non catholic sects..para makita ng lahat kung gaano ka lupit si Vidal sa katotohanan..the truth will set us free…
sa galit ko sa pag ban ni Rosales ang daming mali sa na type ko..
1) the hands of the priests are the only one that can consecrate body and blood of Jesus Christ..
2) hindi ba may rumor that Arroyo will make Cebu the Capital of the Phil?
kasi sa akin..kung ayaw ni Vidal na mag misa sa simbahan niya di huwag..hayaan na lang magdasal sa simbahan ng Protestante, Aglipay, o kaya sa Auditorium at mag Benediction nalang..Now I understand why Aglipay did what he did..Sa Antique maraming mga Aglipay..
bakit di pa rin ako makapag comment?
Ay salamat, nakapasok na rin!
Mas mabuti nga na interfaith na lang, wala ng catholic church sa Pinas kesa sa niloloko lang ng mga obispong nabanggit ko sa itaas ang mga followers ng simbahan at makasama sa kanila sa impierno.
Rose, ang side ng lola ko (father side)ay Aglipayan. Ang sa lolo naman ay devout Catholics. Ang nakakatuwa, kapag nagmimisa iyong monsignor kung pinsan ay napupuno ng Aglipayan na kamag-anakan namin ang simbahang katoliko dahil ang nanay niya ay Aglipay. Interfaith kami e. heheh!
CEBU CITY, Philippines – To answer speculations of a secret meeting in Wack-Wack, Mandaluyong, Cebu Archbishop Ricardo Cardinal Vidal confirmed yesterday that he did meet with the First Couple early this month.
Only that it wasn’t a secret meeting at all. Rather, the prelate described it as a “friendly visit.”
In his column, Manuel L. Quezon III wrote last Thursday in the Philippine Daily Inquirer that President Arroyo and her husband Mike met “secretly” with the cardinal in Wack-Wack.
No wonder, nawakwak ang tuktok ni Vidal!
To answer speculations of a secret meeting in Wack-Wack, Mandaluyong, Cebu Archbishop Ricardo Cardinal Vidal confirmed yesterday that he did meet with the First Couple early this month.
Have you ever thought why these EDSAs and any movement led by these hypocrites despite their show of piety have never succeeded in bringing about real change for a better Philippines? Lalo lang nalulubog ang Pilipinas!
On the other hand, it may turn to be a blessing in disguise not to have these priests perform any ritual that may be offensive to other people of other faith who may want to listen to the truth that Lozada has been revealing in his speeches. Kung talagang maka-Dios iyong mga pari, they may just as well defy the seemingly possessed Catholic cardinal.
“14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.” (Matthew 15:14, Luke 6:39)
Glad I left that church a long, long time ago!
If the Catholics start to leave the church, CBCP and the Bishops have no one to blame but themselves!
Hindi rin nakakapagtaka kung bakit mas tumagal ang existence ng Byzantine Empire(Constantinopole-present day Turkey) nang mahati ang imperyong Romano ng Kanluran at Silangan.
Nakakalungkot talaga and nangyayari Catholic church. Sa dami-dami na ng kasalanan ang nagyayari sa ating paligid, lalo na sa gobyerno natin,lalo pang pinapalala ng mga taong simbahan dahil sa hindi na yata alam ng mga namumuno dito kung ano ba talaga ang tama at mali. Kung ano ang totoo at ano ang kasinungalingan. Sa paninindigan ngayon ng simbahan, mukhang ang kasalanan ay depende kung sino ang gumagawa nito! Nakawala na talaga ng respeto-talaga bang sila ay naniniwala sa kanilang tinuturo? Nagtatanong na talaga ako, bilang isang katoliko!
I know Cebuanos “are intelligent.” The fact is, they have always been a balliwick of the opposition since time immemorial.
GMA won by a landslide in Cebu in the last elections.
Until this day, Region VII, Cebu especially, is considered her bailiwick.
Cebuanos “are intelligent” indeed. =(
Patawarin ka (Vidal) sana ng Dios! Cardinal ka sanang naturingan, pero ibenenta mo na ang katotohanan sa 30 perasong pilak! (milyong peso) Paano mo kaya iju-justify sa panginoon ang iyong paninindigan sa katotohanan? Totoo ba ang talaga iyong paniniwala? Maraming tanong ang nasa isip ngayon ng mga katoliko!
Senshi, are you saying that with sarcasm? Or you are saying that to defend the Evil Bitch!
I wonder if Cardinal Vidal teaches what is written in our catechism: how do we commit sins? there s a sin of commission (ang ating ginawa) there is a sin of omission (ang ating hindi ginawa na dapat nating gawin) and there is a sin of scandal ( ang ating ginagawa na nagbibigay ng sala sa ating kapwa)..ang turo sa atin ng madre o pari lalo na during Holy Week..ay sa tuwing tayo ay nagkakasala sa Dios ipinapako natin si Hesucristo..bahala kana Lord sa mga obispos at cardinals namin sa Phil..forgive them Lord for they seem not to know, understand or care of what they are doing. What kind of catholic church do we now have in the Phil. Sayang at wala silang paki..
aitanong ko lang..hindi ba sa Cebu ang unang misa na idinaos sa atin? Seguro kung taga Cebu ako at nabasa ang mga sinusulat kung ito..candidate ako for ex comunication..
Off topic: Mayor Lim is not shielding his son from the drug charges. I wish the Evil Bitch can do the same to the Fatso-not shielding hiom from all his anomalous dealings!
Mukha atang maraming Hudas na lumalabas sa atin..and they come in different shapes and size: Si San Miguel..ibinenta ang katotohanan sa Senate; si goria ibinenta ang rights ng Pilipinas sa China; at ngayon kung baga sa real estate, ang exclusive listing ng Simbahan sa Cebu is with Card. Vidal..
Rose:
Papaano naman kaya kung ganito “…AFP binenta ni Major General Hermogenes Esperon na taga Norte”.
Malamang magagalit ang mga taga Norte nyan, eh samantalang taga Pangasinan ang Heneral?
Vidal na lang ng Cebu ang itatawag ko ki Vidal, kasi nakakahiya naman sa salitang “Cardinal”! Papano kaya siya naging Cardinal eh, hindi alam kung ano ang kasalanan at ano ang hindi, ano ang katotohanan at sinungaling, namimili kung sino ang gumagawa ng kasalanan, abswelto na kung mayaman at makapangyarihan! At sa walang maibigay na pera, tumahimik na lang, “kasi masakit ang katotohanan”.
Eh papaano na lang kung Rosales?
Pulis?
Red Cross o Spokesman na walang “S“?
Don’t you know that the catholic friars are the one that ordered the Spanish authorities to execute our national hero, Jose Rizal, by firing squad?
Rizal wrote two novels, Noli Me Tangere and El Filibusterismo, which described how ruthless and corrupt those prelates were and still is today.
When Rizal wants to marry Josephine Bracken the friars wants him to sign a ‘retraction'(retraction of his writings concerning catholic church’s malfeasance) but he refused. Also, up to the last minute before his execution the friars offered him freedom but only if he will sign the ‘retraction’. Rizal refused that’s why he was SHOT!
The catholic church lied about the retraction signed by Rizal and could not produced the documents. They are like the Arroyos who could not produced all the original contracts that they dealth with from NBN, Northrail, Southrail, CyberEd, Spratly, etc…
The Catholic Church ordered the Spanish authorities to give Rizal death sentence
xman, hindi naman lahat ng clergymen sa ating bansa ay panig sa kadiliman. Sa Roman Catholic Church ayan si vidal ng cebu, sus maryosep ikaw ba naman ang makasama ng duwendeng itim duon sa Vatican para magdala ng regalo kay Papa, aba’y syempre mabango sa kanya itong si gloria. Matagal na akong naaalibadbaran sa karakter niyang si vidal, walanghiya talaga tingin ko sa taong iyan na nagkukubli lang sa suot niyang abito. Pssst! vidal cardinal ni gloria, when you die you’ll be eaten by the same worms and maggots that consumes us all!
Roman Catholic church officials like vidal and rosales are pushing a number of faithfuls to question the morality of our church. I guess the CBCP should also start cleaning up their ranks of these corrupts false holymen. It’s timely because of the Holy Week, whip them and nail them on the cross.
The more reason that Gloria be kicked out while the country is still able to hobble up. She and her Fatso are the worst nightmare of every Filipino. The tentacles of her corruption knows no bounds. Every institution in the country has been under her thumb.
Before during the good old days corrupting the church was unthinkable. It has been considered as the guardian of truth and honesty but Gloria discovered its weakness and with no sweat she was able to put them under her spell. Now they are exposed as guardians and protectors of the corrupts and evils in our society. That’s why they are acting against their own teachings and what they call the gospel of God. Devils in disguise?
florry, the Catholic Church don’t need to be corrupted by anyone or even by that dwarf. The Catholic Church had been corrupt since the time of Jose P. Rizal and even before that and in fact since the birth of Catholic Church. I know it may hurt you but look at the history of the Church, it is all there.
sa kasalukuyang pamahalaan, ISANG NAPAKALAKING KASALANAN ang paghahanap ng katarungan at katotohanan at pakikipaglaban sa katiwalian na siyang SINUSUPIL din ng mga piling alagad ng simbahang ALAM NA ALAM naman kung sino ang ugat at punogn dahilan subalit hindi nila gustong matanggal dahil wala daw mas karapat dapat na pumalit.
ano ba ‘yan?
i agree xman. I’m a catholic but I know its dirty history. My being a catholic is more nominal than anything else. Dati hindi lang ako masaya bilang katoliko, ngayon ikinahihiya ko pa mga lider nito. Kung naniniwala lang sana ako sa relihiyon, lilipat na ko…
Nelbar,
Kung walang l-substitute na lang natin ang H as in Haatchi
Rosales–RoHaleH
Pulis–PuliH
Red Cross–Red CroHH (parang tunog croc)
Spokesman–HpokeHman (masamang pakinggan ang tunog)
What? Can Vidal really do that? Can he prevent the SVD priests from saying mass in USC? Honestly, if the society of venereal diseased will kowtow to Vidal its a big disappointment and I will stop supporting the alumni association. USC has gone to the dogs already if they bow down to this cardinal’s shenanigans.
Jug:
Yes, Vidal can really stop the priests from celebrating Mass t because he is the head of the diocese and these priests are under his jurisdiction.
Anyway, they can have a Bible Service instead of a Holy Mass if Vidal really enforces his STUPID command!
Definitely juggernaut! Being the head of the diocese, all the priests are obligated to obey him. That makes Vidal’s sin against truth graver. Let him face the Lord with it!
so the catholic church is similar now to a military, those under must follow those above without question. what will then be the punishment for those who do not follow orders? maybe incarceration?
Cebu Archbishop Ricardo Cardinal Vidal has not issued a verbal statement preventing priests under him from celebrating a Mass for Senate star witness Rodolfo “Jun” Lozada Jr., his spokesman said Monday.
Sino kaya nag sisinungaling sa kanila? Di na nakapagtataka na maraming katoliko ang nagpapaconvert sa ibang relihiyon.
Norpil that is how it is in the church. Religion yan eh, they have a vow of obedience. Those who do not follow, they have some kind of punishment, like retreat or anything like prayers. That is why, malaki ang pananagutan ng leader sa kaniyang creator!
Floating Priest hehehehehe. ang pgakakaalam ko ang mga pari pag di sila parish priest ay nakadepende sola sa pag ifficiate ng mass. Kya pag di sila sumunod sa utos ng nakatataas maaring di sila bigyan ng slot para magmisa. bottom line wala silang kita.
correction: sila not sola, officiate instead of ififciate.. pardon my typing people
pinagbawalan na din daw ang mga kaparian sa Camarines Sur na magmisa para sa katotohanan. Iniutos ni Obispo Leonardo Legazpi na hwag daw ituloy ng mga pari sa kanyang nasasakupan ang misa para sa katotohan sa Marso 24. May iba pa bang katoliko dito? ano ba ang maaaari nating gawin hinggil dito? nabubwisit na talaga ko sa mga bayarang obispo na ‘to!
Malamang nabayaran ni Dato Arroyo ‘tong si Legazpi. iboykot kaya natin ang mga misa? ay! matagal na nga pala akong di pumupunta sa mga misa… hehe..
Kung pwede lang iboykot ang simbahang katoliko eh. siguro unang puwedeng gawin ay lumabas ng sinbahan pagkanagsesermon ang pari at huwang magbigay sa offertory.
Confirmed ba yan paramasarap? Saan galing ang balita mo?
“Monsignor Archilles Dacay dared priests to come out and prove that the Cebu archbishop prevented them from leading a Mass for Lozada.”
Takot lang ng mga pari na lumantad! ikaw kaya mawalang ng parish u kaya mawalan ng slot para magmisa? Di siyempre manahimik ka na lang. Walang pinag kaiba sa mga tao ni Evil Bitch di ba?
Kaya mahirap kumampi sa mali, nagpapatong-patong ang kasalanan. Magtatakip, magsisinungaling, mag ju-justify, at masisinungaling uli…walang katapusan! People of God kuno, stick with the truth gaya ng itinuturo niyo, para kayo igalang at paniwalalaan!
confirmed satotoolang. naka post na sa GMA website.
pwede yatang gawin yun ah! yung mga paring ayaw manindigan para sa katotohanan pag magse-sermon na,lalabas tayo ng simbahan. tsaka hwag na din tayong magbigay sa offertory, sayang lang binibigay natin.
This Vidal, Legazpi, and all the other buyshops and priests who are lying and allowing themselves to be used by the ultimate evil is really alarming. It’s like the anti-Christ herself is here, destroying even Catholicism in this country. Because of Vidal’s doing, many Filipino Catholics are now questioning their chosen religion. ( but not their faith )Maybe this is just the time for cleansing, not just politically but also for the corrupt religious leaders as well. Kung ang ordinaryong tao ay nagnakaw ng piso, ang katumbas niyan sa isang pari ay a thousandfold, 1 peso becomes 1,000 pesos. But for a Cardinal, it becomes a millionfold. So kahit piso lang ang nakuha ni Vidal kila Gloria, iyon ay 1 million pesos na. ( Sa piso lang yun ha! ) Magkano kaya ang totoong halaga? Nakakatakot na ito, even the very foundation of Catholicism in the Philippines,that is looking up to our religious leaders for truth and guidance has been destroyed. It would even break my faith in the sacrament of confession, as I now know that I am confessing my sins to someone who could be a greater sinner.
This is a sad day for the Philippine Catholics. Ngayon hindi na ako nagdududa na money can buy everything in the Philippines. Dasal ko na lang, i-spare yung mga pari na naninindigan pa rin sa katotohanan. Sa mga nabulag na ng milyones ni Pidal, bahala na kayo sa pagharap niyo sa Panginoon. Sana mapatawad kayo! Parang gusto kong maniwala na nai-insecure ang mga kaparian kay Lozada, kasi mas kapani-paniwala na siya kaysa kay Vidal, Rosales et al.
Nag-impisa na kasi ang Holy Week eh. Kaya may NAGKANULO na! Di ba yung mga saserdote ang utak sa sa pagkakanulo kay Kristo. Parang ganun din ang nangyayari. Malakas ang ‘Archdioscese of Malakanyang’. Dapat ay tatagan ni Jun Lozada ang loob niya dahil malakas ang pwersa ng kadiliman na kanyang nilalabanan. Samahan nati si Jun Lozada tulad ng mga tapat na apostoles at di tulad ni Judas na naghudas!
Uniffors has an amusing account of the Cardinal Vidal order on Lozada. Click here.
Ang hindi ko matanggap dito sa ginagawa nitong mga obispong ito ang kanilang pagiging ipokrito. Nung panahon ni Marcos, ni Estrada, elections, ginamit nila ang pulpito kasi moral daw ang pinag-uusapan. Eh, ngayon, di na ba moral ang issue? Ano pala tawag sa pagnananakaw at pasisinungaling? Wala, talagang going to the dogs na ating simbahan! Holy week pa naman ngayon, saka naman nasukob na ng kasamaan ang simbahan! Dios na maawain, iligtas mo kami dito sa mga kampon ni…!
Alam niyo kasi, sa totohanan lang, ang maga obispong ito ay di alam ang pinagdadaanan ng mga kababayan nating naghihirap, kasi, palagi silang nasa aircon nilang opisina, masarap na silid tulugan, palasyong tahanan, masasarap na pagkain, at buong araw na pinagsisilbihan.Totoong buhay hari! Kaya hindi nila dinidibdib ang korapsyon sa gobyerno kasi di naman sila apektado.At mas madali kung kaibigan nila ang power kasi, madaling humingi ng donasyon. Kaya nga ba, money is the root of all evil. Pasintabi po dun sa mga totoong alagad ng Dios, yung kakampi ng mga mahihirap, kakampi ng katotohanan.
Corruption is a tree, whose branches are Of an immeasurable length: they spread Ev’rywhere; and the dew that drops from thence Hath infected some chairs and stools of authority. from Francis Beaumont and John Fletcher
satotoolang Says:
March 17th, 2008 at 7:52 pm
This is a sad day for the Philippine Catholics.
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Very sad, indeed!
Even right here in this blog, we can see Catholics getting frustrated with Catholic Church. For those who are long disappointed with the Catholic teachings and practices made worse by the corrupt church leaders, they might have already left the church or are seriously thinking of leaving the church. For the moderate Catholics, it won’t be difficult for them to join other religions these days. Bad for Catholic Church while good for the other Christian groups like Jesus is Lord, Iglesia Ni Cristo, Latter Day Saints, Jehova’s and other Born Again Christian groups. El Shaddai, although still strong with her membership, is reported also losing many of its members who are disappointed with Mike Velarde’s politicking (and corruption too). Also, El Shaddai is also a Catholic Charismatic group; no different.
It has reached a point that it’s like living in a house on fire. They gotta get out soon or they be burned to death.
jug: sa wakas nag salita ka on this issue..akala ko kamaganak ka ni Card. Vidal kaya tahimik ka..noong namention ang SVD I wondered what your stand is..
..sa limited knowledge ko…ang mga diocesan priest na sakop ng Archdiocese ni Vidal they have to obey..(I just don’t know if under pains of mortal sins..) but with the others they will obey as a matter of courtesy kasi siya ang head of the church in that area..courtesy lang..ang mga pari at madre na kasama ni Lozada sa kanyang tour..I don’t think they are bound to follow him in this particular case…
bitchevil: I believe in the authority of the church in matters of faith and morals..I believe in the hierarchy of the church in this matter..I, however, question certain things that the bishops, priests. etc. do in their teachings and in their conduct…but they are as human as we are. Ang sabi nga..by virtue of our baptism we are all evangelizers…there are many changes and I think it is important that they particularly should be aware of the changes…because we depend on them to teach us the latest..I wonder if they do this..
Obedience to the church hierarchy and leadership is a mark of a true Christian. The Bible also teaches the Christians to submit and unite with the Apostles who take care of the brethren. But such should not be blind obedience. The INC and other cultist groups are being criticized for blind obedience to their leaders. But speaking of the Catholic Church, since when does the church speaks with one voice and as one? Since when does the leaders practice what they preach? From the Pope down to the ordinary priests, it’s surrounded by disobedience, division and grave abuse of authority.
uy! bagong raket ito ah….mabuti pa para magkapera tayo, magbenta tayo ng tickets sa Lozada concert he he he. talo pa nya ang backstreet boys kung maglibot….tatakbo kayang senador yan pagdating ng eleksyon? and then what? mangyayari sa kanya ang nangyari kina teddy casino, satur ocampo, beltran et al….mga yumamang pulitiko dahil sa pang-uuto sa kapwa na sila’y handang mamatay para sa bayan (he he, aarestuhin lang yung batasan 5 e sa saya pa ng mismong institusyong kinukundena nila tumira at nagtago – hwag lang mahuli ng mamang pulis bwa ha ha ha – ganyan ba ang matapang?)
Lozada doesn’t need to do that. People will come to see his concert. But your boss in Malacanang needs to spend lots of money to pay people for attending her shows. Who won’t go if it’s free with pay. They attend her show and leave with cash in their hands courtesy of Medy Poblador.
bitchdevil: You are right..in matters of faith and dogma we are bound to obey the hierarchy of the church..but in matters of their political opinions and pronouncements..we are not bound..under pain of mortal sins..meaning that we cannot receive the Holy Eucharist which is very important to us Catholics…I don’t think this hierarchy of the church is taught in catechism sa atin..kasi ang importante lang kasi sa atin..baptism, communion, confirmation (hindi pa nga sa buong Filipinas kasi kulang sa obispo) and when we die..thus we have that joke na karamihan ay pumapasok lang sa loob ng simbahan..sa kanyang binyag at pag siya ay namatay?
Xman
Religion is a business and the Catholic Church with its scaling organization is not only the biggest but the most efficient and most profitable. I never said that they are clean or untainted. I am not ignorant of history and I know that scandals are prevalent inside the organization, ranging from homosexuality, pedophiles, etc, but NOT stealing other people’s money or accepting bribe money from a bogus president in exchange for their support to remain in her stolen power. Oh yeah, our issue here is the Philippine Catholic Church, and how Gloria made it look so easy in turning them into a bunch of hypocrites.
To borrow a popular line, Gloria has gone to where someone had never gone before, is still an under statement of the evilness of Gloria. Who among all the previous Philippine presidents had the gall of Gloria, inviting bishops for dinner and distributing brown bags full of money and even if pressure is not actually exerted, these bishops are not stupid or idiots to not understand the message being relayed to them. And where do you think those money came from if not from the treasury, and those are people’s money. Bribing these bishops for their support, is squaring them against the people who are out there seeking the truth and her ouster. Now is the time for the evil bitch to collect their dues and so its payback time for them. The feeble effort of these bishops to show that they are pro-truth and pro-people is insulting the intelligence of the people. Their “underwear” in different colors are showing.
Now, if not for Gloria’s corrupting of these bishops by way of allowances and all the bribes, which side of the fence will these bishops be?
The main reason why these leaders like Vidal don’t want to say Mass to Lozada because they complain he’s making political speeches during Mass. Well, isn’t Arroyo doing the same thing whenever she attends Mass? Let’s go back some years…wasn’t Cory Aquino doing the same thing to Marcos?
Burado na sa kamalayan ko yang dalawang obispo na pro-corruption – Sina Archbishop Gaudencio Cardinal Forsales at Archbishop Ricardo Cardinal Pidal.
Dalawang prinsipe ng simbahan Katolika ang hawak ni Gloria kaya malakas ang bulong sa itaas. Tumatanda silang paurong.
florry, during the ‘Inquisition’ the Catholic Church stole the money and property of the living and of the dead. The Holy Bible even describe the Catholic Church as a ‘Great Harlot’, a prostitute. This might be hard for you to take but thats what is written in the Holy Writ.
I will give you a link which is well documented and well researched:
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Roman%20Catholicism/a_woman_rides_the_beast.htm
right you are xman. florry-hwag mong hayaang diktahan ng tradisyon at mga haka haka, sabi sabi ang iyong pag iisip. di komo’t napapaligiran ka ng mga madre at pari e tama na yung ginagawa mo. malaki itong kahunghangan. katotohanan? satinginmo ba e katotohanan ang hinahanap ni lozada? nananawagan siya ng pagbaba ni gma – at ito ay isang political na kahilingan – nasaan ang katotohanan doon? mas bibilib ako kay lozada kung dadalhin nya sa korte ang mga alegasyon nya. yun nga lang – can he prove all of his allegations sa court of law?
Read “A woman rides the beast” by Dave Hunt
HG,I discourage posting here kilometric articles from other publications. Just provide a link.
oh ok. thanks for the reminder ellen. indeed it was kilometric 🙂
The Roman Chaotic…Catholic is too politicized now. High time we abolish it from the Filipino culture. Anyway, our present practices are off from its teachings. Its teachings are off tangentwith the bible.
kayo talaga, oo!
bakit ba lagi ninyong pinag-iinitan si gloria? lahat naman ay ginagawa niya upang maiayos ang bansa, di ba? hindi nga lamang malaman kung bakit ang daming kontra sa kanyang mga programa gayong subsob ulo na nga ‘yung tao at halos wala ng tulog at pahinga sa pag-iisip kung paano matutugunan ang karaingan ng mga maralitang kanyang pinangakuan ng pagbabago at maiahon sila sa paghihikahos.
tapat siya sa kanyang mga sinasabi at naniniwala akong hindi niya hangad na magkaganito ang ating bansa, watak watak. sino ba namang pangulo ang hindi naghangad na maiangat at pamumuhay ng kanyang mga kababayan? sino bang pangulo ang matitiis na mangibayong dagat ang alam niyang matatalino at masisipag na manggagawa? ang mapalungi ang kababaihang dapat ay nasa kanilang mga tahanan at kumakalinga sa kanilang mga mahal sa buhay? masakit sa kanyang kalooban ang ituring na mga busabos ang kanyang mahal na mga kababayan lalo’t ang pagkutya ay galing sa mga taga ibang bansa.
hindi niya ninais na ipadukot, pahirapan at ipapatay ang mga inaakala niyang balakid sa kanyang pamamahala partikular yaong mga kritikong walang habas ang pagbatikos sa kanyang pamunuan.
hindi rin niya ginusto na kampihan siya ng mga obispo dahil nais lamang niyang makatulong sa pag-aabot ng paldong sobre at mga karton ng nudols at lata ng sardinas para kanilang mga parokya. gayundin, kusang loob na pagtatanggol sa kanya ang ginagawa ng mga naritong binulag ng kanyang mahika.
nahihirapan ang kanyang kalooban sa mga kaganapang ito mula ng siya ay mapaluklok sa puwesto. gusto niyang pagsilbihan ng buong katapatan ang sambayanang pilipino KUNG HINDI NGA LAMANG NANGINGIBABAW ANG PAGKAUHAW NIYA SA KAPANGYARIHAN AT PAGIGING GANID SA SALAPI GAYUNDIN ANG TAKOT NA KAPAG HINDI NIYA IBINIGAY ANG MGA KAGUSTUHAN NG KANYANG KINASANGKAPAN SA SAPILITANG PAG-UPO SA MALAKANYANG AY SIYA ANG PAGBALINGAN NG KANYANG PINAGKAKAUTANGAN NG LOOB!
kaya tulungan natin siyang tapusin na ang kanyang kalbaryo. bigtihin na natin at tadtarin ng pinong pino!
gloria, SALOT sa bayan, lumayas ka na d’yan! tsupiiiiii!
xman,
I don’t care about your inquisition. What I care about are the issues about Philippine Catholic Church, Philippine bishops and of course gloria’s crime family and their cabal of thieves. If you know how to read between the lines, you may know that I am not defending the church, in fact I am fully critical on them. And if you have nothing to say except going back to how many hundred years ago, maybe you just shut up. You are not making any sense.
HG,
Your broken record has been playing non-stop. Where and what court do you want me to file my complaints, in Mikes’s court, gloria’s court or a kangaroo court.
And by the way, did you hear the latest addition as associate in the SC appointed by the evil bitch gloria? Another guy whose balls are in the palm of gloria, and you want me to go to court? Kayo na lang ni xman.
He wants you to file it in Victoria’s Court in Pasig City. Let’s call him XXXman…Triple X Man.
Appy, Lozada to bring his cases to court? You must be kidding! Hindi pa nai-file yung kaso, “case sloved” na! Lozada is guilty, guilty, guilty!
Coorection: “case closed”!
parasabayan, hindi case solved, kundi case shelved 🙂
Hindi ba noong araw..”Early Church” the community of Christians meet sa mga bahay, bahay? Having mass in the cathedral is no different than having mass sa auditorium, sa stadium or sa labas..
Happy: What was that book you recommend: The Woman is a Beast? She must be!
Nakakalungkot nguni’t nagbalik nanaman ang panahon ng mga prayle gaya ni Padre Damaso. Tulad ng panahon ng mga kastila na kung saan ang mga prayle ang kakampi ng imperyalistang Espana at minamaliit at inaalipusta nila ang mga indyo.
Ganun din ang nangyayari ngayon, pinagtatakpan ng ilang obispo ang rehimen ni Gloria Arroyo at ng kanyang pamilya, habang patuloy silang nagbibingi-bingihan sa sigaw ng sambayanan.
History repeats itself because no one was listening the first time.
CBCP = Corrupt Bishops for Corrupt President
History did not actually repeat itself. The scandals and corruption exist within the Catholic Church since the beginning until these days. Vatican is like a Mafia. In fact, Vatican is closely identified with the Italian Mafia and even the Nazis in World War Two.
I can understand what the Nueva Caceres prelate says is why he is depriving the Lozada meeting a mass if not for the evident hypocrisy in the way such order is given. It would have been valid if we actually do not know the real reason why the Catholic cardinal, who should have been moved by the Spirit of truth, not the criminal perpetrating these crimes that the criminal at the palace by the murky river has been guilty of, gave such order.
It is actually too late for them prelates to be changing policies now. Officiating a mass in any Filipino gathering at home or abroad dominated by Catholics has been an accepted tradition as a matter of fact.
Truth is a simple prayer said with a contrite and humble heart is enough to invoke the Spirit of God to dwell in such meetings as the ones being arranged by the nuns and priests protecting Lozada so that everyone is informed of the truth that justice may prevail eventually. There is actually no need for the mass especially when the meetings are attended likewise by non-Catholics, who cannot partake of the Catholic wafers even when the Sacrament is freely given to all those “willing to take upon them the name of Jesus Christ, and always remember him and keep his commandments which he has given them; that they may always have his Spirit to be with them.”