by Wendell Vigilia
Malaya
The chairman of the House committee on foreign affairs said yesterday China’s opposition to the bill defining the Philippines’ boundaries prevented the chamber from approving the measure despite the deadline set by the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Seas (UNCLOS).
Rep. Antonio Cuenco (Lakas, Cebu) said Beijing expressed its objection to House Bill 3216 in a “note” to the Philippine embassy in Beijing last December.
“China is shocked by and gravely concerned with this negative development. We request the clarification from the Philippine side,” said the two-page letter which was faxed to Cuenco’s office by Ambassador Sonia Brady.
The unsigned note reiterated that China “has undisputable sovereignty over Nansha islands (Kalayaan Group of Islands) including Scarborough Shoal and its adjacent waters.”
It said the passage of the bill, despite the Philippines’ signing of the Declaration of Conduct of Parties in South China Sea, “will not be conducive to the stability in the SCS and will also disturb China-Philippine cooperation in the area, exerting negative impact on the healthy development of our bilateral relations.”
It also noted that the bill’s approval would not sit well with China amid the forging of the Joint Marine Seismic Undertaking (JMSU) in the area which critics said could be the basis to charge President Arroyo with treason.
Under HB 3216, the Philippines’ archipelagic baseline would include the Kalayaan Island Group and the Scarborough Shoal which are also being claimed by other countries aside from China.
The Philippines has until May 2009 to inform UNCLOS of the extent of its archipelagic boundary.
Cuenco, however, said that while the letter does not have an official attribution, he does not doubt the authenticity of the document. “But if you talk of legal and technical terms, this is just a scrap of paper,” he said.
He also disclosed that the Chinese charge d’affaires also expressed his country’s opposition to the bill when he met with him last January.
“It’s their way of expressing dissent,” Cuenco said. “In diplomatic lingo, galit sila.”
Cuenco said he would ask the plenary to postpone the passage of the measure on third and final reading until the session’s resumption after the Lenten break.
“We need a cooling off period,” he said, noting that his committee has already decided to ask the plenary to allow further amendments to the measure.
Cuenco’s panel has also decided to cancel its scheduled inquiry into the JMSU today, saying they failed to inform the members three days beforehand as mandated by the rules.
Rep. Roilo Golez (Ind., Parañaque), the principal sponsor of the investigation, said the panel’s backtracking smacks of Malacañang influence.
“Very clear na may intervention from the executive especially on the part of the Department of Foreign Affairs,” he said.
They said the DFA does not want the House version because this would antagonize the Chinese who have been providing loans to the Philippines. China is one of the claimants in the Spratlys.
Nothing to hide
Executive Secretary Eduardo Ermita said documents on the JMSU would be made public during the congressional hearings on the Spratlys issue.
“There is nothing hide about the JMSU. This JMSU is a scientific undertaking, not exploration,” Ermita said.
He said the Palace legal team is leaving it to the Department of Energy and the Philippine National Oil Company to recommend to President Arroyo whether the JMSU should be extended beyond June 30, when the agreement expires.
Ermita also said officials of Chinese Communist Party officials are not here because of the controversies surrounding the Spratlys and the Chinese loans, including the national broadband deal. “The Chinese government wants to have a feel of the situation.”
Reports said the officials led by Liu Hongcai, vice minister of the Communist Party of China International Department, wanted to be apprised of the progress of the investigations and gave the assurance that diplomatic ties would not be strained by such commercial transactions. – With Regina Bengco
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Spratlys deal part of China’s policy of “shelving disputes”.
I don’t know much about the Philippines boundaries and territorial waters of the Philippines, however if the Philippines is in the right, China can go pound cake. It’s time to show that majority of the Pilipinos are not just push over, or Pilipinos don’t just roll over because someone is pissed.
There should be no fuss about the boundaries if only RP was firm in her position ever since. And what has China got to do with RP’s territories? China has no business in such matter considering that she’s located far from RP’s territory.
It happens under corrupt GMA regime. China (PRC) is interfering Philippine internal affairs. No thanks to $8 billion loan. The Chinese is flexing its muscle on Gloria Arroyo’s rubber stamp Congress. Definitely, Lakas-Kampi will bow out China’s demand. Pera-pera lang ang mga iyan.
Logically and operationally, so-called seismic study is integral to the exploration project. Or, that’s how a preparatory (or feasibility) study appears to be in this scheme of development projects.
I’ve seen dozens of such projects in the Philippines under the auspices of UN bodies and banks (ADB, WB), where all these studies form part of the whole configuration. One can’t separate the initial study, however it may be called, from the other essential aspects of the project. They are all part of it. The seismic study is similar to a feasibility or baseline study required to proceed to the next stage.
Calling it as just a “scientific study” unrelated to the “commercialization” of the project is pure non-sense, from a technical point of view. Ermita, Gonzales and all those guys around Gloria defending the Spratly deal don’t know what they are talking about (or if they do, they delibertely mislead the public.)
We are a mix of sorry loser from the very beginning of Philippine history. We have brilliant educated citizens from the time of Rizal and they never gave a hoot to our real properties. We only know of the 7000 islands. We only chanced upon the Spratlys when Admiral Cloma on a fishng fleet set foot on it to get water and claimed it for himself. The islands are already the usual rewatering points while in the area. When the squatering instinct of the government set in for dubious reasons bright minds initiated claims on Sabah and Spratlys. Naturally, China and the coloniser of Malaysia were much older than us and they know more of their ancient patrimony. And of course they got muscles in the right places. My advise to all is to correct first our squatering culture of the Lina type at home before nosing at the far distant shores.
If it was purely a seismic study and well within the Philippine territory, WE DO NOT NEED CHINA to do it for us. Our local exploration firms have seismic equipment for that purpose. Last January, Serafica’s Burgundy Global Exploration (which I suspect is a crony or Greedy Group-dummy) has just bought one for only $86M. Such amount is peanuts to PNOC, or any gov’t agency seriously considering a seismic survey.
Kaya nga kutob ko, pagkatapos nitong Holy Week ay may naisulat na naman na script mga kampon ng kadilimin at si lucky bitch.
Now, if we are really bent on trying the might of China and the other 4 claimants, lets do it now to measure the mettle
of Esperon and Glory and her administration. Lets pass the bill. Thats the only way all of us can benefit n the bounty. Otherwise, only a few is raking in the booty.
During the interfaith rally, this should be protested, too. Filipinos should not be subjected to two masters.
That is, that Filipinos should not be dictated upon by the USA and now China, who must think that with the Philippines incurring such big debts in billion dollars not just millions, it now has full rights and privileges to meddle in Philippine affairs just like what the Americans do.
Kawawang Pilipinas!
After all the bukolan and patongan (tongpats)involving Chinese monetary lending and projects in the country, China will always get what it wants with the Philippine goverment. This includes Congress’s inability to pass the bill defining our archipelagic bounndary that may strengthen our claim with the Spratlys. With all these loans coming from China we could not help but cater to their own demands. This is akin to a family where they owe a large sum of money from a rich man, since they could not pay him the rich man claims a virgin daughter as a payment. This happens because of evil, bitchness, and greed.
Sabi nga ng uncle kong hapon, pag tumanggap ng limos, kailangang handa rin magpadura ng plema mula sa nagbibigay ng limos.
This is one wisdom that I have learned to abide and live by—not being a parasite, because I cannot allow myself to be humiliated the way the dorobo does now for her own personal gains that spell doom for her country and people.
Tama Na, Sobra Na, Kilos Na! Gising Na! Nagtatanga-tangahan pa ba?
Tama ka diyan grizzy. Kapag ang tumatanggap ng limos ay wala ng karangalan pa, halang sa bituka, mangungulimbat at kurakot, duraan man sila ng plema sa mukha nakangiti at nakatawa pa rin sa harap ng publko. Nakakahiya!
mukha atang whatever China wants Gloria gives..nabenta na nga seguro ni Gloria ang Pilipinas sa China..Just a thought..many Made in China goods flood many countries..and there are a number of Filipinos all over the world..ano kaya kung hindi tayo bibili ng Made in China products..mura nga ang producto nila but if we Filipinos won’t buy may effecto rin seguro..anong say ninyo?..At isa pa may mga food products sila na toxic hindi ba?
Rose: mahirap yan. di naman kasalanan ng China na nababayaran si Gloria at ang kanyang administrayon. Naibugaw na ang ating lupain pati kasarinlian natin. as usual, kibit-balikat lang ang mga Filipino… haayyyy buhay!
As reported on Malaya, March 12, 2008–Review of pact seen as academic
Golez quoted an article of China’s People’s Daily Online which reported on Nov. 20, 2005 that the China Oilfield Services Limited (COSL) had already completed the seismic data acquisition through its exploration ship codenamed Nanshai 502.
If the Chinese exploration vessel did not find oil in Kalayaan Islands they will not go against the House Bill 3216. Evidently, they found oil.
PSM:
Hindi kasalanan ng mga intsik kung umutang ng umutang si Dorobo kasi tutubo naman sila. Ang masama ay lumalakas ang loob ng mga intsik na magdikta na ngayon kung ano at hindi dapat ng mga opisyal sa Congress, etc. lalo na iyong mino-monitor ng Chinese Embassy na mga kurakot at kinukurakot ni Gloria Dorobo gaya ni Nograles.
BTW, ang pangit pala ng mukha ng Nograles na iyan. Yuck ang mukha, nakakasuka!
Malakas na talaga loob nyan grizzy, dinagdagan lang ni Gloria yung buo ng loob nila. Ang laking bansa nyan, abkit naman di magmamatapang yan, kaya lang ngayon parang wala nang diplomatic considerations kasi alam nilang bayaran si Gloria at alam nila ang mga kinumisyon ni Gloriang proyekto kaya buong-buo na loob nila.
nung isang araw andito si Nograles. ewan ko lang kung sino mas pangit, sya o si Leo San Miguel. sayang din yun. aktibista dati yung si Nograles. until makakita ng pera sa pulitika.
Napakalaking problema para kay GMA itong utang sa China, Spratly, and territorial baselines. Hindi talagang papayag ang mga intsik na lokohin mo sa pera at hindi nila ma-exploit ang Spratly. Ang Sambayanan Pilipino ay walang ibinigay na approval dito, so GMA’s problema talaga. Kung magkagulo malaman kung ano ang gagawin ni Esperon & company. Malapit na ang pag-distancia ng mga tuta at alipores sa Palasyo. Ang kaba ni GMA lampas na sa dibdib baka abot na sa nunal. Sooner or later maipit ka.
Kung walang oil na nadiskubre sa Spratly’s bakit umaalma ang China?
Panay ang meeting ng senado at ng congressmen sa mga Instik lately. I wonder why!
Parasabayan, kahit na walang oil na nadiskubre sa Spratlys, aalma pa rin ang China. Alam mo kung bakit? Teritoryo nila yon e, as far as they are concerned.
jerz, member ka na rin ba ng Mike A. brigade o Mike C., as in Mic Chinoy?
“Rose: mahirap yan. di naman kasalanan ng China na nababayaran si Gloria at ang kanyang administrayon. Naibugaw na ang ating lupain pati kasarinlian natin. as usual, kibit-balikat lang ang mga Filipino… haayyyy buhay!” – parasamasarap
Katumpakan ang iyong tinuran, hindi lamang ang gutom-sa-sikmura ang suliranin ng mga Pilipino, mas malala ang nararanasan natin sangayon, ito ay yaong kasalatan sa “ispirito ng pagiging tunay at ganap na Pilipino”, mayaman ang bansang Pilipinas sa likas-yaman at sa tao’ng-yaman subalit ito’y ginagahasa ng mga iilang ganid na Pilipino.
Dito masusukat ang dignidad at soberenya ng kabansaan, kaya’t dapat na tukuyin muna ang lawak ng teritoryo at pagtibayin ang House Bill 3216. Ang direktang pakiki-alam ng Tsina, sa kanilang di-pormal na kasulatan sa pagtutol sa HB 3216 ay pagyurak sa ating kasarinlan at nagpapakita ng kawalan-ng respeto. Hindi nga makaka-ahon sa kahirapan ang Pilipinas, kung patuloy na mananaig ang “kulturang kataksilan” ng mga mamamayang Pilipino.
Kasalanan man o di-kasalanan ng bansang Tsina, sa kanilang pakikipag-kutsaba kay Gloria, nararapat na tutulan ang anumang uri ng imperyalismo, partikular sa kasalukuyang lantarang pakiki-alam ng Imperyalistang Tsina sa ating kabansaan. Karagdagan nito’y, maging mapagbantay sa ikinikilos ng US sa rehiyong MINSUPALA, sa kanilang di-awtorisadong pagpasok at pagbisita sa kampo ng MILF. Ito’y maaring maging totoo o hindi, may kaugnayan at kinalaman ang bawat pagkilos ng dalawang imperyalistang bansang US at Tsina, sa usapin ng Spratly at para sa kani-kanilang istratehiyang tanggulang pangrehiyong-politikal.
Ibigay ang Para sa Diyos, Ibigay ang Para sa Bayan!
God Bless po sa inyong lahat!
nelbar, di po ako member ng kahit na anong brigade.
Huwag mo akong po-in, hindi ako matanda.
Nanghihingi ka pa rin ba ng Allowance sa magulang mo?
Parasabayan, kahit na walang oil na nadiskubre sa Spratlys, aalma pa rin ang China. Alam mo kung bakit? Teritoryo nila yon e, as far as they are concerned. – jerz
Ka Jerz,
Suma-iyo ang kapayapaan!
Maraming salamat po, sa iyong tinuran, na matatas ang inyong kabatiran sa lawak ng teritoryo ng bansang Tsina. Iyan po, ang paksang magbibigay-linaw, “kung nasaan na nga ba tayo bilang mga mamamayan ng Pilipinas?”. Mabuti pa ang bansang Tsina, batid nila ang lawak ng kanilang teritoryo, kaya’t may yabang silang magsabi nang “akin iyan, huwag mong kunin!” at direktang naki-alam sa ating kabansaan. Samantala, dito sa bansa natin, sa mahal kong/nating Inang Bayang Pilipinas, ay ganiri’t ganito ang aktitud – “ang kay Maria ay sa akin, ang kay Pedro ay sa akin, ang kay Juan ay sa akin, ang PILIPINAS ay “FOR SALE”!
Tignan at damahin mo, ang 10M OFW ay hindi produktong pang-eksport, ang 10M OFW na nagkalat sa iba-ibat panig ng daigdig ay nagsisilbing mga SUGO ng ating bansang Pilipinas, subalit ito’y nagdudulot ng laksa-laksang “social cost” sa ating kabansaan at negatibong epekto sa ating kultura’t pamilya.
Ibigay ang Para sa Diyos, Ibigay ang Para sa Bayan
Minsan po.
Joke lang. Di na po ako humihingi ng allowance sa magulang. Ang “po” po ay paggalang kahit sa di nakatatanda.
I don’t get your point, petite. Sorry.
naging teritoryo daw ng tsina ang spratly’s nitong panahon na lamang ni gloria.
paano nga, eh TINGI TINGI nang naibenta!
‘anlapit na niyan sa palawan. sandali lang gapangin hanggang sa umabot na sa buong kabisayaan pakalat magkabila sa luzon at mindanao!
I think noon pa inaangkin ng Tsina ang Spratlys. Ang pagkakaalam ko po, di lang Tsina ang umaangkin dito – pati na rin ang mga bansang Vietnam, Taiwan, Malaysia, at Brunei, bukod sa atin.
Jerz, why will China enter into an agreement with the Philippines to explore the Spratlys for oil if the Spratlys is theirs. Plain common sense lang ito! China’s agreement with the Philippines and Vietnam acknowleges us as one of the owners of the territory. Only the boundaries will have to be determined.
PSB:
May alam ka ba na perang papel na lapad at mukha ni Temüjin ang nakalagay dito?
Parasabayan, may reply ka pala dito.
China’s agreement with the Philippines and Vietnam only shows that China can’t claim the whole of the Spratlys because the other claimant countries won’t give up their claims on their parts of the Spratlys that easily. So, instead of having clashes with these countries, like the ones they had with Vietnam in Sinh Cow, China entered into an agreement with two of these claimant countries (The Philippines and Vietnam) to have this Joint Marine Seismic Undertaking (JMSU). This agreement, as de Venecia said it, “was designed to turn an area of potential conflict into a zone of peace and development.”
walang pakialam ang beijing sa panloob na pagkilos ng pilipinas lalo na itong pagsasagawa ng pinal na hangganan ng kanyang soberenya, kahit alin pang bansang umaangkin ng pinag-aagawang teritoryo.
kung meron silang reklamo, sa united nations sila pumunta.
noong panahon ni makoy ay walang lumutang na nakikipag-agawan sa spratly’s. NGAYON lamang sa administrasyong PEKE ng babaing sinungaling, bilang kulateral na ang labas ay sangla’y bili dahil sa mga utang sa bansang insik.
hudas ka talaga, gloria!
the letter is a threat but unsigned. the chinese must have learned from esperon technique.pinoys must think of their sovereignty without consideration to other countries. i don’t believe china is thinking of peace in the area, they are thinking of exploiting the area as soon as possible because of their own needs.whereas pinas is led by people more concern of their personal needs, china’s leaders are more concerned of their country’s needs.
Kung ang Pilipinas ipinagkanulo ng mga galamay ni Gloria Macapagal Arroyo, ano na lang ang ASEAN sa relasyon nito sa People’s Republic of China?
inilulublob ni gloria ang mga dukha sa mas malalim na kumunoy ng pagkaalipin.
tingi tingi kung ibenta niya sa pormang pangungutang ang bawat bahagi ng pilipinas at bago matapos ang kanyang termino sa 2010 ay wala ng matitira sa atin kundi ang muta sa ating mga mata dahil sa matagal na pagkatulog mula pa noong 2001!
Wag naman sanang isuko ang claim ng Pilipinas sa Kalayaan Island Group and Scarborough Shoal.
Medyo iba take ko sa isyu ng Spratlys. Sa akin, ok lang ang multinational cooperation to determine if their are substantial oil and gas reserves, and possibly cooperate further in terms of exploration. May model na naman yan e — yung North Seas oil rigs. Ok din sa akin yan para win-win ang lahat ng claimants nang Spratlys kesa mauwi pa sa shooting war na wala rin naman tayong kalaban-laban.
What sickens me is the non-disclosure and confidentiality terms nung agreement. May tinatago ba? Another thing that really irked me is the carrot-and-stick approach of the Chinese in dangling our access to loans from their banks to fund projects like NBN – salo agad ang gobyerno natin kasi napakahina nang accountability and audit measures ng mga Chinese-funded projects di tulad ng sa US, Japan, EU.
Pansinin nyo, lahat ng mga repressive regimes, especially in Africa (like Sudan), ang bumubuhay sa mga government projects e China. Kasi di makakalusot sa US or EU ang mga “tong-pats” at “bukol”, especially after the enforcement of the Patriot Act, Sarbarnes-Oaxley Act, etc. after 9/11.
Tama ka diyan sandanista, alam ng mga kapatid nating Intsik (PRC)ang kahinaan ng “repressive regimes” ang lagay. Lagay din ang ginamit ng diyablo para tuksohin si Kristo. Lagay din ang ginagamit ng gobierno para akitin at patahimikin ang mga religious leaders. Bilanggo tayo ng mapanukil na sistema dahil sa lagay. Ang kalagayan ng ating bansa na siyang naghihirap ay maiuugnay din ng malaking bahagi sa lagay. Kaya hindi mapatay-patay ang lagayan system at corruption ay dahil sa lagay. Ang pamahalaan na umiinog sa sestima ng lagayan ay isang salot ng bayan, sa lagayan na ito nagmumula ng bukolan,tongpats,at hakutan ng pondo ng bayan. Panahon na para gibain ang bahay ng anay na sumisira sa ating buhay at kinabukasan ng ating mga anak.
I dont see anythng wrong once the Philippines is forfeted by the China loans. There will be more chinese around and that will improve our race. Imagine my dark Ilocano descendants will soon have fairer skin. No need anymore for that Block n White. They will be better off with the abacus to count their yuans. Our big noses will devolve to the smaller ones.
“Wag naman sanang isuko ang claim ng Pilipinas sa Kalayaan Island Group and Scarborough Shoal.”
kay gloria mo iyan sabihin.
what pinas should have done is just to proclaim its sovereignty over the islands instead of signing dubious cooperation with others much stronger than us.
Jerz on, “aalma pa rin ang China. Alam mo kung bakit? Teritoryo nila yon”.
Jerz, please read the history on the Spratly islands and who are the MAJOR occupants so you can have better understanding why Vietnam and military power China choose the route of joint cooperation with the Philippines. It is very clear that Philippines has the advantage based on possession and close proximity of military support.
Philippines is occupying 7 islands and 3 reefs.
Vietnam occupies 6 islands, 17 reefs and 3 banks.
Malaysia has 1 artificial island and 5 reefs.
Taiwan has 1 island and 1 reef.
China has 8 reefs.
In Wikipedia, Philippines has some features “virtually occupied” as features very close to to Philippine occupied features about 14 km distance that includes North Reef, Sandy Cay, Loita Nan and Loita Cay. Features east of 116E meridian are largely controlled by the Philippines being 161 km from Palawan. Both Vietnam and China knew that Philippines has airfield and naval base in the west coast of Palawan.
The strategic importance of Spratly islands lies on its oil reserves which is the 4TH LARGEST OIL RESERVE BED IN THE WORLD. It has 17.7 billion tons of oil compared to 13 billion tons held by Kuwait.
The other strategic importance of Spratly islands is that it is as one of the world’s most productive areas for commercial fishing. China predicted it holds about 1 trillion dollars in combined fishing, oil and gas resources.
In practice, Philippine Navy and Airforce have exerted undeniable control on east of 116E meridian. Non-Filipino fishermen are tolerated in this region, provided that they comply with Philippine laws. As always, chinese fishermen are arrested in these areas for illegal fishing.
To Jerz and those who think that JMSU (signed by Arroyo government and protected by confidentiality clause) is not a sellout, please consider the article wrote by Barry Wain, a researcher of in the Institute for Southeast Asian Studies in Singapore, wrote an article in the January-February 2008 issue of the Hong-Kong-based Far Eastern Economic Review.
“The Philippines … has made breathtaking concessions in agreeing to the area for study, including parts of its own continental shelf not even claimed by China and Vietnam.”
“Regarding the area of exploration he stated:
[The area] thrusts into the Spratlys and abuts Malampaya, a Philippine producing gas field. About one-sixth of the entire area, closest to the Philippine coastline, is outside the claims by China and Vietnam.”
In effect JMSU placed Malampaya, a Philippine producing gas field which is originally outside the claims by China and Vietnam, under control of the other 2 countries contrary to Constitution.
Napaka-influential talaga ang komisyon ng Tsina.
Barry Wain, an Australian who is the diplomatic correspondent for Asian Wall Street Journal has uncovered in greater extent the sellout of exclusive Philippine territory, 1/6 of entire area covered by JMSU.
It is not coincidence that after signing the JMSU, China committed USD$2 billion a year in loans to Arroyo government.
In addition, congressmen have delayed passage of the bill (which now China heavily protested and Palace supported China’s position) setting the Philippines archipelagic baselines to meet the May 2009 deadline.
Lutong Macau. Ahay!
Tama hindi nga kasalanan ng China..But they now will know it is not only GMA who has the say..we are now aware of what is going on..thus before they make a contract they should be also sensitive to the feelings of the people hindi lang basta bira at si Gloria lang…it is just to make them aware that the entire country does not belong to Gloria’s mines..So they may know..hindi tanga ang Filipino..we are now vigilant and we will watch..particularly ang mga kabataan for them to have a better future…kaya nga ba dapat yong Sec. of Higher Education ang tawag kay Neri..should do his job to promote a good Education for the young..kaya lang bakit ba hindi ba siya magsabi nang kanyang nalalaman? Malaki talaga ang pagmamahal niya kay GMA- it is tragic!
Hindi kasalanan ng China iyong kurakot ni Fatso, Abalos, et kasi maliit man o malaki ang commission ng mga ungas, babayaran naman ng mga pilipino ang inutang at ang commission na nakuha ng mga ganid.
Meanwhile, China can provide he missing link. Sila ang kausap ng mga swapang, and all they are expected to do is provide the investigators the necessary information who they talked to and gave or suggested to be given big commission. Dapat gumaya sila sa mga kano na kapag naipit nagtatapat.
Like when ex-Prime Minister Tanaka of Japan got involved in the Lockheed bribery scandal to facilitate the importation of Air buses to ANA. Executives of Lockheed came over when they were summoned, and the hearing schedule at the Diet was adjusted according to when they could attend the session. Bakit hindi ipilit iyan sa mga intsik na hindi dapat payagang nagdidikta sa mga pilipino. Komo ba malaki na ang utang ng mga pilipino sa mga intsik, hindi sila puedeng magsalita o magreklamo? Aba, abuso iyan! 愚笨!
Grizzy: Mahirap ipatupad sa Red China ang katulad na ginawa nang Lockheed Martin sa Japan. As I have mentioned in another blog, di pa ganun ka-mature ang accountability and transparency sa Red Chinese. You have to take into consideration that it is still a one-party system, kaya sanay sila na laging nasusunod without a fiscalizing opposition. Masaklap man tanggapin na parang nababoy tayo, pero that is the current geo-political environment in our region — sila ang siga ngayon.
Ang issue lang talaga e ang tendency ng GMA administration to commit to an agreement with China because it opened a wide door for “tong-pats”. Tila di na na-consider ang strategic positioning natin in relation to our neighbors. Ang criteria is simply to get a project funded in haste without due diligence and scenario planning if it is really to our best national interest.
At habang nahehele tayong lahat sa NBN/ZTE at Spratlys issues, bantayan ninyo ang Clark. May balita ako na dito nagsisimulang gumapang na naman ang mga galamay ni FG starting late last year (2007) kasi maraming nakapilang projects dito, at gustong madaliin ng mga brigada ni FG at nalalapit na ang 2010. Double time sila sa pag “facilitate” ng funding from Chinese firms and the Chinese government kasi they have considered the possibility na di aabot nang 2010 si GMA.
M’Ellen, tip ko sa iyo — magpasaliksik ka o ipasilip mo sa mga sources mo ang mga napakatahimik na mga back door negotiations and facilitation ngayon ng FG gang sa Clark. Baka masalisihan na naman kasi tayo.
That is, that Filipinos should not be dictated upon by the USA and now China, who must think that with the Philippines incurring such big debts in billion dollars not just millions, it now has full rights and privileges to meddle in Philippine affairs just like what the Americans do.
Kawawang Pilipinas!
grizzy I notice that you are always ranting against the U.S.
I dont know what you personally have against them.I also notice that you always say things like: here in Japan…etc etc..blah blah blah…now my question is: if China declares war on the Philippines, who do you think can and will help us filipinos? Masaya ka lang diyan sa Japan at wala ka namang magawa kundi manggatong.
I have seen you say that
It is a given that a huge oil reserve sits somewhere around Spratlys. What is unknown is where exactly is it concentrated at.
Judging by China’s actions, there is reason to believe it lies well within the Phil’s exclusive zone. Mañalac knows as much. He was declared a hero in Thailand when he discovered Thailand’s first oil field.
When the greedy group got wind of Mañalac’s scheme, he had to be stopped. No, he didn’t resign, he was pressured. They take over from where he left and are soon to make the biggest jackpot they ever made out of Gloria’s seven years in power.
We cannot allow this to happen. Send these thieves to jail, now!
Dodong,
I have come across often alien fishermen apprehended at the Sulu sea, or right at the Tubataha Reef but of course thats still east of Longitude 116E. Have not heard any apprehensions at the Spratlys. We have an airfield right at Pagasa at Kalayaan but jets cant land there. Toratora could if we still have it around.
We lost one of the islands to the Vietnamese when the marines waded to the next island a stone throw away to celebrate another marine’s birthday with bottles of bilogs. We just lost another reef to the Chinese not so long ago. They built an island on stilts. What Philippine miracle could stop any intruder to our Spratlys claim?
Dodong,
Have not heard of apprehensions of chinese fishermen at the area, only at the Tubataha Reef inside SULU sea but of course that is still east of Longintude 116E. We have an airfield at Pagasa right there at the Kalayaan but not for jets. Toratoras perhaps if we still have them around. We lost an island when the marines all waded to the other island just a stone throw away to celebrate a birthday with bottles of bilogs. We lost also a reef when the chinese built an island on stilts there not so long ago. What Philippine miracle would stop any intruders from our claims? Pero bayad na sa tongpats.
I am listening to a radio broadcast regarding territorial claims between China and the Philippines, and it makes me angry listening to claims that these territories are owned by the Philippine government but not the Filipino people. Thus, according to the idiot, Mr. Wetness who apparently does not understand that a democratic government is a government OF, FOR and BY the people, they have no right to know the details of the deals being entered into by the dorobo with the Chinese. and that only those friendly with the dorobo will be allowed to be shown the documents of these deals.
In other words, walang karapatan ang mga pilipino magreklamo! Susmaryosep! Saan batas nakasulat ang pinagsasabi ni Wetness Apostol. Dapat humirit na iyon gmga batikang abogado ng IBP dito sa ginagawang panggagago ng gobyerno ng magnanakaw na ito.
are pinoys losers in war and in peace? or only the leaders who are corrupt and dishonest.indeed countries that tried colonising pinas succeeded.now in time of peace our leaders may even give away the greatest hope of upgrading the livelihood of pinoys because of fear of antagonising a giant neighbor.if there is a single case worth dying for, this is it.but i for one don’t believe the chinese are willing to go to war yet. it is still a long way to bringing up the oil if there is any,but we must have a leader who is steadfast and not going in zig zag like the one we have today.otherwise we are also peacetime losers.
Ingat kasi baka i-invoke ng mga intsik iyong ancient claim na fiefdom ng China ang Luzon. May historical basis ito as a matter of fact. Hindi pa nababagabag ang mga bobo sa Congress, etc. Basta may envelope na delivered by Medi Perencia! E ano ba kung putulin ng China ang diplomatic ties sa Pilipinas? Dati namang wala sa totoo lang. Noong buksan n Imelda di ba pinintasan pa nga siya? Mas kailangan nga ng intsik ang Pilipinas sa totoo lang kundi lang nga ginawang pulubi, etc. ni Gloria Utangera ang mga pilipino. Kitang-kita namang walang pakinabang ang ginagawa ng ungas kundi pagbebenta sa sarili niyang bansa. Treason sabi nga!
There’s some basis to say that China could invoke some of RP’s northern islands in and around Luzon belong to them. Since RP is composed of several islands; these could be those scattered around after being separated from China thousands of years ago. China being among the oldest civilization like Egypt could make a claim that many parts of Asia once belonged to them.
Lima Hong had been trading in Pangasinan
Others traded regularly in Cebu long long time ago.
Those were the days when we were not yet the Philippines but part and parcel of China situated in the chinese lake that is the South China Sea.