From the Inquirer:
A “missing” key witness in the national broadband network (NBN) controversy surfaced early Thursday morning and detailed his recollections on the now-nullified government contract with China’s ZTE Corp. in a televised press conference.
Seated with bishops and nuns at the La Salle Greenhills gym in Mandaluyong City, in Metro Manila, starting at 2:30 a.m., Rodolfo Noel Lozada Jr. narrated chronically his experiences in the preparations of the NBN project with China’s ZTE Corp., including a direct threat made by the now-resigned elections chairman Benjamin Abalos and the apparent involvement of First Gentleman Jose Miguel Arroyo.
Reading from a prepared text, Lozada said his involvement in the NBN project began when Romulo Neri, the secretary of economic planning at the time, introduced him to Abalos at the Wack-Wack Golf and Country Club in October 2006. he said also present were ZTE vice president Yu Yong, ZTE director Fan Yang along with certain Philippine officials and another NBN project proponent, Jose “Joey” de Venecia III.
He said the National Economic and Development Authority, which Neri headed at the time and had him as a project consultant, received its first copy of the ZTE proposal sometime in November 2006.
He said the first item he noticed that the financial projections were based on data from the Abante Tonite tabloid on how much the government was spending on telecommunications.
He said he found it funny that the financials were based on data from a tabloid, and that he subsequently told ZTE representatives to improve their project presentation
Lozada also said he encouraged Joey de Venecia, son and namesake of the erstwhile House Speaker, as representative of NBN project proponent Amsterdam Holdings Inc., to pursue his project development.
He said Neri told him to reconcile ZTE’s and Joey’s proposals. He said that as Abalos’ “objective” was to get a loan for the project, he proposed that De Venecia III be the main proponent — as the project was to be done on a build-operate-transfer (BOT) arrangement — and Abalos be the supplier.
Trouble starts
Lozada said “I guess the trouble started when Abalos wanted to protect” his $130-million “commission.” He said he told Abalos the amount was too big — “Sabi ko, bubukol po ito.” [“It’s going to show.”]
He said Joey de Venecia’s “reaction was ballistic.” He said the project cost was $262 million, and so there was the question of where De Venecia could get Abalos’ $130 million.
He said he told them “’bahala na kayo diyan,’ that’s your problem.”
He also said the Chinese were alarmed, because “advances had already been given to Abalos.”
Lozada said Abalos then “started considering doing the project on his own.”
“I told him that Neri said — because GMA [President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo] had told him — that the project was to be done on a BOT arrangement.
Lozada also recalled a phone call Abalos had with First Gentleman Arroyo in which he heard Abalos say, “Kung ganyan kayo kausap, kalimutan na lang ang lahat ng usapan natin.” [“If that’s the way you make deals, forget everything we have agreed on.”]
Lozada narrated an early-December 2006 meeting in which First Gentleman Arroyo told Abalos, “Pare, okay na kami ni Joey.” [“Buddy, Joey and I are okay now.”]
He also said the ZTE representatives were “demanding from Abalos,” and wanted an “a la NorthRail agreement.” He said he did not know what that meant.
Abalos’ threat
Lozada said that on Jan. 18, 2007 — “the day I quit the project” — Abalos called him up and asked, “Alam ba ni Neri ang ginagawa mo? … Alam mo ba na malapit ako sa military?” [“Does Neri know what you are doing? … Do you know that I am close to the military?”]
He said Abalos then started cussing. “… Mga hayop kayo, tinatraydor ‘nyo ako [you are double-crossing me].”
He said Abalos told him, “Huwag ka magpapakita sa akin sa Wack-Wack o ipapapatay kita.” [“Don’t let me see you at Wack-Wack or I will have you killed.”]
Abalos was president of the Wack-Wack club at the time.
Lozada said at the press conference, “I don’t think this project is worth risking my life for.”
Lozada went on to recall that on Feb. 7, 2007, and executive order was issued by the Office of the President assigning the NBN project to the Department of Transportation and Communications with a project cost of $329 million.
“When the project started, the project cost was $262 million,” he said. “When it was approved, the project cost was already $329 million … I am not imputing anything.”
He said the matter showed what he called “dysfunctional government procurement.” He said it was “systemic… about how we procure projects.”
Lozada emphasized, “I don’t want to speak along party lines. I don’t want this to be taken as something partisan.”
Lozada tearfully finished reading from the prepared text: “Ang salitang Pilipino ay hindi lang tungkol sa isang pamilya. Ang salitang Pilipino ay tungkol sa isang bansa. … And sometimes it is worth taking a risk para sa ating bansa.” [“The word Filipino is not about a family. The word Filipino is about a country. …And sometimes it worth taking a risk for our country.”]
Resignation
Lozada said at the press conference that he was resigning as president of the government-owned Philippine Forest Corp.
At the start of the press conference, Lozada read an opening statement, “Maraming katanungan ang taong bayan tungkol sa proyektong ito [ZTE-NBN]. Mabigat sa aking damdamin at isipan itong gagawin ko… para magkaliwanag na ang isipan ng bayan tungkol dito. …Walang malisya kanino man.”
[“There are many questions in the mind of the public about this project [ZTE-NBN]. It is with a heavy heart and mind that I will do this … to give light to the public’s mind about this. … This is without malice toward anyone.”]
Lozada also said his apparent disappearance upon his arrival at the Manila international airport Tuesday afternoon was a result of “just miscommunication between the groups that were supposed to pick me up.”
He said “we had a good drive around the city” and took the Luzon South Expressway, and went to Calamba City in Laguna province. He said he was later “brought back to my family.”
At the end of the press conference, Lozada said, “I want to be out of this situation. Believe me I do not want any other Filipino to be in my situation right now.
He also said, “I don’t want to go to the Senate. I don’t want to go there and be part of a political exercise … I may not be able to lie. I’m not a good liar. …The decision was to send me out of the country … I might say something that they would not like …the people who are concerned… ‘yung mga masasaktan ‘pag naipit si FG’ [First Gentleman].”
Lozada’s safety
Senator Alan Cayetano, chairman of the Senate “blue ribbon” public accountability committee that is investigating the ZTE-NBN deal, said in a radio interview Thursday morning that they would ensure Lozada’s safety and security after the clergy agreed to turn him over to the custody of the Senate sergeant at arms.
Cayetano said they would consider Lozada’s physical and mental condition before scheduling a resumption of the Senate hearing on the ZTE-NBN deal.
Lozada earlier said he had been under undue stress since he left for Hong Kong and upon his arrival Tuesday and was already very tired over the ordeal.
As of this posting, a convoy of some 20 vehicles of the clergy and media people was proceeding to the Senate.
Let’s hope that Senate’s Blue Ribbon committee will call hearing anytime of the day. I think Rodolfo Lozada is ready to reveal what he knows in the $329 M NBN-ZTE scam.
Ellen,
What do you think? Do you suppose this will get anywhere?
I cannot understand why key witnesses cannot be interviewed privately and their affidavits obtained so as not to endanger their lives especially from an abusive police and a Department of Injustice even just so the Philippine Senate will not look as useless as it is now with a criminal calling herself “president” at the helm. I also cannot help boiling inside when I see the idiot smirking in her pictures that she must be having a heyday doing as she watches the fiasco the Senators are doing as they allow the idiot to abuse and ran away with all the loots from the treasury, majority of which are even loans that this and future generations of Filipinos will have to bear to pay with their sweat and tears.
Tama na, sobra na!
Point is who are the members of this Blue Ribbon Committee. Why, Uncle Johnnie himself is even bragging that his wife can get through the appointment to the Vatican with or without the blessing of the Commission on Appointments because of these useless members of the Senate and Congress, the latter especially with a crook now proclaimed as its Speaker. Wala talagang itulak kabigin.
Palabasin na si Senator Trillanes. Siya na lang ang pag-asa ng mga pilipino! And next time, please, no more surrender! That is, if the majority of Filipinos are ready and determined to kick out Gloria Dorobo and her cohorts. Please maawa naman kayo sa bayan sinilangan!
Re: Lozada also recalled a phone call Abalos had with First Gentleman Arroyo in which he heard Abalos say, “Kung ganyan kayo kausap, kalimutan na lang ang lahat ng usapan natin.” [“If that’s the way you make deals, forget everything we have agreed on.”]
Was it Abalos threatening FG or somebody else? Was he blackmailing the Arroyos with his knowledge of the Hello Garci or the incoming elections? If it were the latter, he was not even successful, save for Tita Migz!
Mga garapal! Talamak! Dukimal!
I have a very simple, call it naive observation…once the nuns appear in headlines (be it on pictures or with statements) something momentous happens. I just notice Lozada had nuns surrounding him in the Inquirer.
Ellen,
Is it possible for you to ask Lozada to share his documents with those of other whistle blowers? I have started compiling some over at http://among.reklamo.ph ? Thanks, and may their tribe increase…
i still think that this ZTE broadband deal can be done with very little cost to the government. they can do it themselves using existing government facilities. unless of course, we have lazy, incompetent people in our government
Making comments based on the press conference is not fair enough because I would be lying if I say that I came out satisfied with everything that was said. I would rather wait for the senate investigation, but one thing that caught my attention though was he’s kind of “soft” on the other side (FG’s) and put Abalos on the lead role as if he has all the power and arrogance to make and break a deal. Remember that this about a government project and contract, and Abalos is not the government. Another re-escape-goat in the making? Something’s going on as a result of the kidnapping? Just being conscious. But as I said better wait for the Senate’s.
florry, I had the same thought – a scenario where Abalos takes the blame then GMA with a pardon in the end.
Malacañang undertakes damage control. Presscon w/ Bunye, Razon and Atienza ongoing.
Ermita must be secretly rejoicing after this latest booboo by Puno’s PNP.
NAIINIP NA AKO! SANA MAPALITAN NA SI GORIA (AS IN GORY). AT SANA RIN MAPALAYA NA ANG AKING IDOLS NA MGA NASA TANAY AT CAMP AGUINALDO. AS IN INIP NA INIP NA AKO. KAYA NGA ALL CAPS ITONG POST KO SA PAGKAINIP.
Hi Snoopy…
Ouch! Wag mo naman lahatin sana ang lahat ng nasa gobyerno. nasasaktan ako. he he he. biktima din ako ng inefficency ng gobyerno. Anyway, totoo naman yon. Hiling ko nga na sana malipol na mga bulok sa gobyerno. No wonder kaya madami nakakapagtiyaga sa government kasi yong mga matataas ang pwesto ginagawa nila na Family Business.
The Senate is asking the DOROBO to do a Nixon style of resignation. Of course DOROBO will not go down. Kailangang kaladkarin siya! Hindi siya makuha sa santong dasalan, bueno kunin natin sa santong paspasan!!!Malapit na bruhang DOROBO!
Let the collapse of this regime begin…
Kita nýo nagtuturuan ang PNP pati na ang airport officials kung sino talaga ang nagtago kay Lozada. Paano iyong SPO2 eh nakapasok sa VIP area at nailabas si Lozada, obvious naman sino ba siya para mag eskort, conspiracy talaga yan, sabi ni Sen. Cayetano?
Niloloko lang tayo ng mga iyan, buti na lamang mayroon tayong taga-Media na sumusubaybay sa pangyayaring ito.
Re: “…as the project was to be done on a build-operate-transfer (BOT) arrangement — and Abalos be the supplier.”
Abalos was still Comelec gang chief at the time, completely illegal to enter into business govt at the time.
This Abalos is really magnanakaw. Of course, he has passed the mantel of thieving to his son, what a family of thieves. In fact what FAMILIES of thieves we’ve got in the Philippines.
These people ought to be lined up and SHOT!
“Ang salitang Pilipino ay hindi lang tungkol sa isang pamilya. Ang salitang Pilipino ay tungkol sa isang bansa. … And sometimes it is worth taking a risk para sa ating bansa.” –Jun Lozada
Is there anybody else willing to take the risk for the country?
Now,the senate has Lozada let the game begin.Ano kaya ang kulay ng damit ni Senadorang Sisa at ano na naman kaya ang drama niya, no one can predict if she’ll go ballistics. Ang sabi ni Sisa kay Jose na kapag daw idinawit ang kanyang seniora ay kakasuhan siya ni Maldita sa ombudsman.Sige kasuhan na ang dalawa.Si Jose ay mapardonan kaagad dahil mahigit na siyang 70,si senyorang Gloria matagal siyang maglalabandera sa kulungan dahil wala pa siyang 70 paglabas ng donya ay gulay na nakapako sa wheelchair ang kanya esposo dahil sa atake de corazon,si Jose ay makakapunta pa sila ni manay Gina sa Hongkong for honeymoon at baka sakaling magkaroon pa silang another junior.
Tungaw talaga! Ayun may nahuli sa Senate na NBI agent kuno para imonitor si Lozada o kaya’y patayin kapag nailusot ang baril,sa tingin ko sa gungong na iyun ay galing ng mental,binihisan binigyan ng expired na ID at permit to carry para gaguhin ang senado.NBI ba iyun kasing taas lang ni pandak ang pagkakaalam ko ay may height requirement para makapasok ng agent, iyun ay malnourished pa at lampas ang laylayan ng long sleeve shirt niya sa kanyang daliri.Aba palpak na naman ang modus operandi nila,magpadala sila ng good looking at macho ang dating hindi iyung mga nagtitinda ng balut sa kalye.
Under shabu ang director sa script na iyun si Palito ang ginawang bida at ang kontrabida ay si Fernando.
Juan de la Cruz is crazy about tele/korea/latinovelas etc. The nuns on the run is new. It’s a new sight a fresh one. – a guy surrounded by nuns…very interesting and good media exposure. This show is another example of the manipulation of Filipino masa’s mind…drama…some twists today…who knows what’s gonna happen tomorrow…and like all shows, they will crave for the next episode of all these drama in the headlines…that’s it. Unconsciously the Filipino masa is already comfortable being spectators of all these demoCRAZY-display of events in the country…TVs nowadays only have garbage. There should be change in content. Back to basics…Patriotic messages should fill all these archipelago’s environment…so that the Filipino masa will learn to love this country back again…and the real fight against tyranny will begin…and this country will rise back from the ashes…otherwise, the filipino will continue to become the subject of mockery…a dense specimen among nations.
Appy Gilmore, nagpalit ka naman ng pangalan. Before the nation can be positive, the ills of the nation have to be first surgically taken out! The DOROBOS will have to go first then we can move on. Try another leader and if that does not work try another leader until we can pick someone who can really truly lead the nation to progress.
We are already a mockery because we allow ourselves to be raped and killed by the same leaders we elected! Ops, not even legitimately elected!
Hmm…too bad it seems little to no one’s interested in hearing this in a court of law to try to determine the truth. I guess people have given up on such?
I suggest that now is the time to do both simultaneously. Aside from just trying new leaders, we should start the long-overdue damage control of cleansing, rescuing and renewing the Filipino masa mind from its current corrupted state. The viruses “BAHALA NA”, “ISANG KAIN ISANG TUKA” and others with similar heuristic flags have been feasting on our minds since the Spanish times. The next generation of Filipinos deserve to have a breakthrough. Patriotic content in radio, TV, print and internet, etc. should start dominating the day to day scene of the ordinary Filipino. Our minds, our goals, our entire system was already corrupt the moment we were born…If these media moguls have a heart towards the ordinary Filipino and the country, they should start filling the airwaves with no nonsense content, that’s one good legacy they can give to the Filipino children of tomorrow. We are supposed to be a great people full of talents…a nation with infinite natural resources…
Ang galing ni Punong magbaliktad. Sabi niya kailangan daw i-probe din ang mga madre kung bakit biglang nandoon si Lozada. At ang sabi pa niya, natutulog daw si Lozada sa mga madre habang linalamok daw ang mga sundalo sa labas ng La Salle. Ang galing talagang magpalusot itong si Puno. Paanong nakatulog si Lozada eh iniikot-ikot nga siya! Kitang kita naman na kulang na kulang sa tulog yung tao.
too hot in the kitchen for Lozada
one thing that makes me smile with uneasiness is how Lozada claims that he is doing this expose for the filipino people…
really now – di kaya naipit na siya kaya ganyan ang mga pahayag nya?
QUESTION : while the NBN proposal was at its infancy – why didnt he back out? he cannot claim that there is no money involved for everyone – government projects dont work that way. up front – alam na how much is supposed to go to whom…
i have no doubt Lozada also stood to earn substantially from the deal – AND HE KNOWS IT. but when things started to go south, Lozada suddenly realized that he has become a liability to the powers that be. kaya nag lie low na siya.
The opposition is in search for another “STAR” witness – with the same integrity as PCI Bank official like Clarissa Ocampo.
Sad to say LOZADA IS NO CLARISSA OCAMPO. he is a “commissioner / lobbyist” who got caught in the crossfire and is now being tapped by the opposition in its move to instigate chaos.
Appy Gilmore, you were not listening to what Lozada was saying. Immediately when he learned that FG and Abalaos wanted to make a hefty comission from the deal, he stopped transacting with the mafiosos. I do not think Lozada knows that this deal will blow up in humungos proportions!
I believe that Joey and Lozada are credible people! I would believe these duo but NOT THE DOROBOS and their MAFIA gang! Puro pa sinungaling! They said the PNP had no hand in the abduction. So, siguro yung nakaabitong madre ang nagpunta sa tarmac at kinuha si Lozada. Is that what you are trying to say Appy Gilmore?
How do you know that Lozada is no Clarissa Ocampo? You just heard his general statement and now you have already pre-judged him?
The end of Gloria’s Evil regime could be right around the corner. It will difficult though, because she & her lapdogs will put up a fight, but the end is coming sooner than later.
Ang galing talaga ng balasubas na unano. Pinapa-imbestigahan pa kung sino daw ang nagpa-dukot kay Lozada. Gues who will do the investiagting?
Dyaraaan – Si Raul(o) Gonzales ng DOJ. O, saan ka pa.
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingnews/nation/view/20080207-117388/Arroyo-orders-DoJ-to-find-culprits-in-NBN-deal
Hopefully, Chabeli, this is the beginning of the end. With Lozada there now trying to save his hide by asking the priests and nuns to protect him and provide him sanctuary, and crying foul, let’s pray that the Filipinos will be able to finally prove they have a case against the Fat Guy and his wife, et al after more than 7 years of trying to evade prosecution even by assigning people they can hold by the neck in positions and departments most responsible for locking up people like them in jail.
Golly, papaano nga naman pipiyak si Lozada, ang dami na palang tinanggap na threat ang tao! At iyong inaasahang magpo-provide ng protection, e sila mismo ang mga kidnapper! Unbelievable! Kinuwento ko sa mga kausap kong pulis ng Keishicho ang story ni Lozada, napatanga na lang sila! Akala nila noong una, nagbibiro lang ako.
All the more reason why we should be vigilant, and not allow these crooks to go on with their illegal activities. Yup, Rose, Elvira, Chi, at iba pa, tuloy ang dasal! Saka na muna ang sinasabing santong paspasan. Mas matindi ang “Vengeance is mine” ng Panginoon. Tignan natin kung kaya ni Fat Guy na magmura na naman sa Congress as he did before when Alan Cayetano was accusing him. Ano nga ba ang kaso niya noon? Sa dami, hindi ko na tuloy matandaan at mabilang ang atraso ng ungas sa mga taumbayan.
Panahon na para sibakin na ang mga walanghiya. Meanwhile, abatan na hindi makakatakas ang mga walanghiya at makalusot kasama na iyong kening buri mo ring si Abalos.
Funny, pumalpak ang strategy nila kay Lozada kesa iba siguro ang mamang ito di tulad ni Garcillano, who must have been told to cool it off likewise in London. (Makes me wonder now who their contact there is that is willing to give refuge and sanctuary to people they would not like to squeal on them. Si Prince Andrew kaya?) Same pattern, same tactic. Ngayon lang yata mapapaso.
Iyong matabang mama naman hindi na Tate ang takbo kundi Europe via Hong Kong or Singapore din. Arestuhin na iyan.
PSB:
Tama ka. Lozada is not the culprit here. Natakot lang iyong tao dahil ang daming threat na tinanggap. Di siya katulad ni Joey who has his father to at least protect him. Kaya nga doon na sa mga pari at madre tumakbo but kwidaw siya. Baka magaya siya doon sa witness ni Ping Lacson na ipinagtabuyan ng mga pari nang takutin ng mga pulis at military na pasasabugin ang kumbento nila kundi siya ilalabas o palalayasin doon. Hopefully, hindi mangyayari iyan kay Lozada.
Sinabi mo pa. Let’s stick to the facts that this guy is willing to sing a song now, not the speculation of someone planted by Luli and company to spy on the bloggers here. Malinaw naman at logical ang sinasabi niya kung bakit he did not volunteer to be a witness. Trabaho nga lang siya, at kung maiiwasan ay ayaw niya ng monkey business, e kaso hindi lang monkey at babboons ang kausap niya kundi mga buwaya, bayawak at baboy pa!
Hindi niya kasalanan kung bakit siya umiwas na mag-testify. May threat na siya noon pa, and he was willing to take any protection for him and his family as what we know now he was forced to take as concession from the very same bunch of goons who wanted him to keep his silence especially against the Fatso, huwag na si Abalos.
Don’t get me wrong. I am not giving the same consideration to Garcillano even when they were put on the same boat maybe to London. Malaking kaibahan ni Lozada.
Si Lozada did not agree to be part of the dirty deal, apparently. Si Garci, siya pa ang nagtrabaho as a matter of fact. Still, the fact that Lozada kept silent about a crime committed by the criminals, in fact, and waited until he found himself in deep shit, over where I am, what he did could constitute and be considered a criminal offense as in concealing or albeit help conceal a crime, voluntarily and otherwise.
Now, let’s see what kind of documents with Lozada’s signature Gloria’s boyfriends will produce to protect her from being prosecuted and locked up in jail for the rest of her life together with her husband, et al. Abangan ang susunod na kabanata! Sabi nga sa ingles, “To be continued.”
Sa totoo lang maraming ganyan na kaso. I have interpreted for people who have been involved in very serious crimes in Japan. Takot silang mabalikan kaya kundi sila tanungin ng pulis, hindi sila kikibo. Common iyan sa mga pilipino lalo na because of these goons in the police na imbes na mag-encourage sila na magsabi ng totoo ang mga tao, sila mismo ang nanakot para iyong mga patron nila hindi mapahamak. And this is one reason I guess why a lot of these people who can afford to get active policemen as their bodyguards, and why they are free to do all kinds of criminal offenses and not getting arrested and made legally responsible for their crimes. Sinabi ninyo pa, palpak ang sistema. Noong araw pa naman, pangit na ang reputation ng mga pulis ng Pilipinas. Lalo pa ngayon, no doubt!
Nasa kultura na ng mga pilipino kasi matagal kasing naging alipin ang madaling takutin. Ang isa pang na-develop na kultura ay iyong mahilig magturuan. In-encourage ng mga kastila iyan sa totoo lang.
In fact, iyong mga unang ginamit nilang magtraydor at magsuplong ng mga kapwa nila mga pilipino ay iyong mga taga Macabebe na naging dahilan ng salitang “dugong-aso” in reference to the people there na nang lumaon ay sakop na ang buong probinsiya ng Pampanga. Kaya kahit hindi naman katulad nina Gloria Dorobo, lahat na tuloy ng mga kapampangan, ang bansag tuloy “mga dugong-aso.”
At least, buti nga ngayon, nagkaroon na ng lakas ng loob na magsalita sa Lozada. Masarap malaman ang reaction ng mga intsik, iyong tunay, hindi iyong mga publicity stunt nina Gloria Dorobo at Fatso Pidal.
Lozada was made to sign a security request after the fact.
The affidavits regarding the stink in Glorietta were made after the fact; after the academe (UP professors) questioned, if it was methane, why was there no stink?
Typical yan, they fabricate evidence after the fact. Pati yung diary ni Angara about constructive resignation was made after the fact.
Nalibing na ang mga namatay sa Glorietta. Nalibing na rin ang issue. Nasaan ang pinu74ng in4ng FBI and Aussie report?
Mkikipagpustahan ako…
BUKAS OR TONIGHT CGURADONG MY SASABOG NA NAMAN ALA-GLORIETTA AND BATASAN…. para matabunan na naman ang Senate Hearing and people would not watch how Lozada will state all the facts..
OR.. my malaking balitang mangyayari.. like “FAELDON CAUGHT” or “FAELDON FILLED”, etc, etc..
For once, I invoke my right to personally believe that Lozada is telling the truth when he said he’s doing it for the Filipino people.
Re: Lozada being a “commissioner / lobbyist”, do you have first hand knowledge of proofs to this claim?
I cannot vouch for Lozada’s integrity because I don’t know the person. I am convinced that he is no saint, maybe even up to the point where he can even tolerate dirty deals up to a certain level. Kaya lang, baka hindi na abot ng level of tolerance niya ang US$130M for Abalos alone.
As to whose pronouncements are closer to the truth: Lozada vs Razon, et. al – even a moron would have enough logical faculty to judge.
“parasabayan Says:
Appy Gilmore, you were not listening to what Lozada was saying. Immediately when he learned that FG and Abalaos wanted to make a hefty comission from the deal, he stopped transacting with the mafiosos. I do not think Lozada knows that this deal will blow up in humungos proportions!
I believe that Joey and Lozada are credible people!”
ang ganyang kalaking deal siguradong madaming sasawsaw. common sense. hindi tanga so Lozada. he was involved because someone trusted him enough to let him “in”. of course lahat ng “in” may cut (in whatever amount, cguradong meron yan).
Joey? credible? NATALO KASI SIYA KAYA NGAWA NG NGAWA YAN. kung natuloy ang deal tahimik yan. saka di be BAWAL SA KANIYA ang ma involve in any govt project kais govt official tatay nya? yan ba nag CREDIBLE? hellloooooo
“parasabayan Says:
I would believe these duo but NOT THE DOROBOS and their MAFIA gang! Puro pa sinungaling! They said the PNP had no hand in the abduction. So, siguro yung nakaabitong madre ang nagpunta sa tarmac at kinuha si Lozada. Is that what you are trying to say Appy Gilmore?
How do you know that Lozada is no Clarissa Ocampo? You just heard his general statement and now you have already pre-judged him?”
a lie is a matter or perspective. i dont believe priests and nuns are beyond reproach either – or the opposition is not beyond using the veil of the church to lend credence for their lust for power (and of course the money that comes along with it).
Lozada is no Clarissa Ocampo because it took him one whole year to come out. He knew full well what was going down. He even stayed in government all this while. That is why.
Dont be blinded by Cayetano’s crusade – their family made oodles of money from Belle and BW shares – so that shows you where he’s coming from….
think think think….
Ako din Ka Enchong, I would not like to judge Lozada for what he did and did not. Malinaw naman na sinabi niyang natakot siya because of the threat from the top via Abalos. Kaya umiwas na lang ang tao, and with his present experience, bakit magtataka pa kuno iyong mga planted ni Gloria Dorobo dito. Typical reaction from people who have not known courage as a matter of fact. Maraming ganyan sa totoo lang lalo na kung may pinoprotektahang personal interests as in the case of Lozada–iyong business niya. Golly, sa Pilipinas pa!
This reminds me for instance of the two Japanese killed in Cebu last year kasi ayaw magbayad ng tong doon sa mga kingpin doon. Binaril using guns produced in Danao.
Ang laking issue iyan dito ngayon. I can’t blame Lozada entirely for what he did not do then, but hopefully will do now—SPILL THE BEANS!!! Time for Filipinos to see more of the likes of Joey de Venecia who must be his mother’s son!!!
Let’s all give Lozada the needed boost and courage to face the Senate and tell all. He is not the culprit. He is a witness that needs protection not from the hoodlums in the Philippine police but from the courageous and corruption fed up Filipino citizenry. Tulungan natin siyang maging matapang and prove that he is doing this spilling of the beans now for his country and people.
Tama na, sobra na. Sipain na, now na!
Sinabi mo pa, Ka Enchong, gago lang ang maniniwala kay Razon, et al. Bistado na ang mga kalibre nila. Believe you me, marami na akong na-meet na mga hardened criminal sa trabaho ko bilang interpreter/translator sa pulis, hukuman, etc. dito cum paralegal dito sa Japan. Sa totoo lang, mas gusto kong maging prosecutor kesa maging defense lawyer ng mga kriminal.
Wow, nakapasok ako in my real name! Hindi ako na-akismet. I guess, it is because I am useless a wireless hook-up!
OK na rin yung natakot si Lozada. Sa takot ay nagkarun ng bayag at merong naibunyag! Si Romy Neri, nang matakot ay tuluyang umurong ang bayag at naglulumuhod pa hangga ngayon kay Gloria at Mike Pidal para hindi s’ya i-tour ng PNP (Panakot ni Pidal)hanggang Laguna!
Lozada is but an unfortunate pawn in a power play between two evils….
why? does anyone think the opposition as saints? that their own hands are REALLY clean?
the issue here is not the truth, this is a power struggle, pure and simple and people are not NAIVE enough to think otherwise
Lozada, ZTE, Abalos, et al are all tools of the trade – or Pawns if you will.
Aling Yuko,
Sinikap ko pong papaniwalain ang sarili ko sa mga sinasabi ni Razon. Pinilit ko ring magtanga-tangahan, kaya lang, kahit yata tunay na tanga mahihirapang paniwalaan ang mga pinagsasasabi ni Razon, e. Kahit po siguro gago, hindi maniniwala.
Kinuha daw si Lozada dahil may credible threat. Nung tinanong kung saan nanggagaling ang threat, “I don’t know” ang sagot. Paano naging credible yun?
CATCH US IF YOU CAN
The PIDAL COUPLE
Narrator:Pinoys are a people with short memories.They easily forget Scandals!Headline stories last only for several weeks.Then our people will forgive and Forget.
Here they come again, mmmm-mm-mm
Catch us if you can, mmmm-mm-mm
Time to get a move on, mmmm-mm-mm
We will yell with all of our might
Catch us if you can
Catch us if you can
Catch us if you can
No, they’re not saints either. Kaya lang, who’s expected to have cleaner hands? Who’s expected to be the lesser evil, if not the greater angel?
Metaphorically, the opposition is already a demon, kaya nga opposition e. Ang masaklap, those in power are proving to be a lot more devilish than the demonic opposition.
Personally, I think, the current issue had transcended politics and power play. It has gone beyond mere graft and corruption. The BIG issue now has a lot to do with how much we value our own personal life and liberty.
Let PNP get away with this and we will never know who, when and where the next victim will be.
happy gilmore, I understand your cynicism. Who would not be cynical with the way things are in our country? GMA was supposed to save and work for the people and here she is, with her whole family at that, involved in graft and corruption, to say the least.
JDV is just as bad, and now claims to champion good government.
Lozada, however, may be an exception. He is a small fry, with much to loose(his life and that of his family), and if Neri corroborates Lozadas testimony, in addition to Jdv3, this case may get somewhere.
For now, we can only hope that the truth comes out and those guilty punished to the full extent of the law.
K. E.: Kinuha daw si Lozada dahil may credible threat. Nung tinanong kung saan nanggagaling ang threat, “I don’t know” ang sagot.
*****
Wow, sinabi talaga ni Razon iyan? Ganoon din ba kagunggong ang taong iyan? Diniktahan para maging gunggong? Pero siguro naman mahal ang bayad kaya kahit na mawalan ng dangal at magmukhang ulol, OK ngarud pa rin siya. Diyos mahabagin naman, naman!
I hope hindi naman ginawa kay Lozada iyong katulad ng ginawa doon sa pelikulang “Rendition” na kinidnap iyong American-Eqyptian para paaminin ng hindi naman niya ginagawa.
Pero iyong hindi ka patulugin after a long trip from London, abaw mahirap iyon a. Naranasan ko nang mag-travel via the South route to London. Inabot kami ng 36 hours, kulang sa tulog kulang pa sa paligo. At least, ako dinaldal lang ng foster mother ko, pero iyong hindi mo alam kung saan ka dadalhin tapos sasabihan ka ng kung magsasabi ka ng totoo, malilintikan ka tapos hindi ka pa patutulugin, pagod na ang katawan, pagod pa ang utak, etc. Abaw, dapat sa mga hayup na iyan, sibakin na talaga at batikosin na ng lahat lalo na ng media.
Bakit walang umaangal na bar association sa mga ganyan injusties. Enough is enough!
Every time there’s a huge scandal and there are new witnesses, we hear people say the evil GMA regime is about to fall. But as we all know, she manages to stay in power. Nasaan ang problema at diperensiya kung bakit ano man mangyari ay nandiyan pa rin ang babeng buwaya sa Palasyo? Habang tumatagal, di ko maintindihan kung bakit nandiyan pa siya. Perhaps she’s really that good in anticipating things. Magaling din sa cover up at damage control. O baka naman talagang puro dada lang ang mga tao. Lacson is calling for snap election. Alan Cayatano is demanding GMA’s resignation or at least leave of absence. Narinig na natin iyan noon pa. Pero matigas pa rin ang gaga. So, how do we kick this evil woman out of the Palace? Our discussion these days should no longer be about ZTE deal or any other thing. Pag-usapan na lang natin kung paano mawala sa mundo itong si GMA.
truth – some say the truth is the voice of all the people (yes, without exception). so it all boils down to a numbers game (ironically – the same game the congress plays)
while it is true that there are those vehemently and loudly opposed to the system we have now, under this administration, their numbers do not speak for all of the silent majority. when the majority is no longer silent – then there is action…
take the two successful Edsa’s, the majority moved – but towards what end? what was achieved? is this the price we pay for freedom? more graft? more corruption? political unrest? power play?
it is in my opinion that the majority has learned from the Edsa’s. the way to go is not the way of the mob mentality. the way to go is through our institutions – the executive, the legislative and the judiciary (however graft ridden the first two branches may be)….
we must be a nation of laws if we are to succeed as a nation and mature as a people.
that is why the opposition, try as they might – have failed. we are tired of corrupt politicians brandishing the weapon of “truth” which is used to advance their self interests.
we are tired of being used by big business as pawns in expanding their empires.
we are tired of the church instilling in us that being poor means being closer to God.
we are tired of all this hipocrisy.
so what do we do?
we improve our own lives, we focus on things that are productive, things that will put food on the table and send the children to good schools.
let the gods of Power and Politics battle it out on their own time and on their own money. they are like cuttlefish in close quarters- eventually they will kill each other.
Nothing was achieved in the first two Edsas because they removed two duly elected Presidents. They violated the constitution. It was Mob Rule not People Power. This time, people are justified in removing this evil GMA. But while it was not too difficult in the two past Edsas, we’re find it extremely hard to do it this time to this evil woman who doesn’t deserve to stay in Malacanang even a second. So, what seems to be the problem? Let’s now focus our attention into looking for the best and effective way to remove this GMA. If it’s necessary to kill her…then KILL her !
talaga? nothing was achieved by the two edsas? hwag mag bulag bulagan BROWNBERRY – we LEARNED that MOB RULE DOESNT WORK. that is what we achieved. that is why the opposition fails.
anung kaya nila? a few rallies here and there where 80% of the attendees are paid for.
Hey folks ang ganda ng araw ko ngayon with fresh breeze of winds, first time in my life to see and met a KING (dugong bughaw) somewhere around today kaya medyo nabawasan ang stress sa mga tit for tat issues sa Pinas.
Kgg. Happy Gilmore, sa palagay mo eh ano kaya ang maganda nating gawin about this potical turmoil sa ating Bansa. Marami na tayong kababayan ang buryong at inis-talo na kung papaano reresolbahin ang mga problema na kinahaharap ng ating gobyerno.
If you have good advice or idea to share eh batuhan mo naman kami para mapag-usapan at mapag-aralan ito kung maging effective ba para sa lahat.
Ang daming ideas kaya nagpipingkian ang diwa ng bawat isa to resolve ALL these problems? I know na you have your own idea at baka epektibo ito, tell us at ng mapag-usapan OK.
political not potical, ok HG!
RE: We are tired of all this hipocrisy. So what do we do?
Kgg. Happy Gilmore, I like your thread, bakit kamo it’s a challenge sa ating lahat na nagmamahal sa Inang Bayang Pinas.
Since I accepted the Lord as my personal saviour eh happy ako to face any trials in life, kaya kung magtagumpay tayo so we are blessed Pinoy!
Do you want to know or whoever wanted to know the secret being a happy human being, i’m always free to share this secret of happy life at magkakaroon tayo ng kapayapaan sa buhay.
Kaya ang gulo ng Pinas eh masyadong maliligalig ang Pinoy, ang gusto eh ang lahat maging leader o maluklok sa kapangyarihan kahit na ang kapalit eh buhay ng kanyang kapwa.
Dapat naman pagkaminsan eh maging good listener tayo at unawain yong nagsasalita, mahirap kasi yong WRONG DOINGs eh sasang-ayunan pa MALI na nga. Ang ibig sabihin kunsintidor kaya di umunlad ang Pinas?
“we improve our own lives, we focus on things that are productive, things that will put food on the table and send the children to good schools.”
This is a fair statement. To achieve this, however, requires active participation of the citizenry with its government, working together in harmony. There must be law and order. All citizens including those elected by the people must obey the law, and the law must apply equally to all.
Mob rule? What mob and who/what did this mob rule? GMA with her mercenary army are in power! Are those who demonstrate against the administrations abuses the ones you call a mob? The demonstrators who are beaten, encarcirated, kidnapped, hounded and murdered by the PNP, and Esperons army the mob you you refer to?
The mob I know about are the ones in the palace by the Pasig river. The MAFIA of Pasig. The MOB!
Ka Isagani kmuzta Pre!
I agree with you! Walang maloloko kung walang magpapalokong Pinoy?
Dapat magkaroon ng rebolusyon ng pagbabago sa pag-iisip ng lahat
continuation! Ka Isagani: Iyang mga nagpapahirap sa ating Bayan eh sa totoo lang ang Masang Pinoy din ang nagluklok sa kanila.
Kaya dapat ang masermunan muna eh ang mga Kababayan natin na bumoto sa mga pasaway nating pulitiko, ang hirap sa kanila ang daming daing sa buhay pero ibinibenta naman ang boto.
Sang-ayon sa aking pag-aaral eh iba ang antas ng national politics compare sa local level? Kita mo majority ng mga Congressman eh Kampi-Lakas-CMD, di ba ito ang sandigan ni GMA para manatili sa EK. Dito kumukuha ng lakas si GMA kaya walang magagawa ang Senado dahil controlado ng pro-GMA ito.
Pwedeng ibalik natin sa taong-Bayan ang sisi dahil sila ang nagluklok sa mga Congressman na yan? Ito ang totoong scenario na bulag ang karamihan Pinoy sa tunang na nangyayari sa bayan.
Pakasisihin man si GMA eh ano ang magagawa natin sapagka’t nandiyan ang mga balimbing na Tongresman. Ang pag-asa nalamang ng mga di nagsiboto sa mga Tongresman na ito eh ang militar/kapulisan, kaya lang suntok sa buwan pa pero libre naman ang mangarap di ba.
Balweg, ayaw ko nang patulan itong bata ni Esperon dito. Kahit papaano’y pampadagdag sa malayang discussion ng mga topic. I might just shoot him in the head when I see him.
Re: The mob I know about are the ones in the palace by the Pasig river. The MAFIA of Pasig. The MOB!
Tumpak! Arroyo mobster government: Mafia big boss Jose Pidal and his gang in connivance with usurper Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo. Under the disgraced Arroyo regime, it appears that kidnapping, force disappearances, intimidation, fraud, deceit and bribery are SOP’s for political survival.
Kgg. BB, ang ligaya ko today kasi nga ngayon lang ako nakameet ng Hari kaya memorable experience!
Well, relax ka lang at bayaan mo i’m here to patch up your concerns kay Happy Gilmore, wika nga a negative constractive criticism is healthy if we will apply it in a right persfective, so i do hope na magmeet ang inyong mensahe to enlighten us and become a healthy foods sa ating pag-uusap.
Dapat nothing personal kasi eh ang aim lang natin to discuss any unresolve issues at nawa ang makabubuti sa ating Bayan at sa mga nakakapamasyal sa Ellenville.
perspective not persfective kgg. BB!
Ka DKG,
Sa Tagalog eh kapit-tuko ang mga iyan sa kapangyarihan! Sa mundo ng pulitika, walang permanent friends di ba.
Ang saklap ng ginawa nila kay JDV, sa likod tinarakan tulad ng ginawa nila kay Erap. If you ask me personally, noon pa man eh wala na talaga akong tiwala sa mga iyan, but still some of them eh okay naman.
Grabe talaga ang laro ng pulitika sa atin, ang bilis magpalit ng kulay parang hunyango madikit lang sa puno eh nag-iba na ang kulay, ganyan sila!
Hudasan Republic ang kahulugan ng Pidalism Government.Pero ito ang mas masaklap,walang ginawa ang mga bataan ni Esperon ng nagtayo ng runway ang Tsina sa Spratly,pinanood lang,naubusan ng gasolina ang barko ng Philippine Navy para harangin sila at ang pambili ng octane fuel ng eroplano ay pinambili ng champagne ni koronel sa strip bar kaya grounded ang widowmaker fighter jets ng Air Force.Ngayon nagrereklamo si senadorang Sisa bakit daw naitayo ni singkit ang landingan.Ulol,wala kasi silang ginawa, magprotesta man ang gobyerno natin hindi na maririnig dahil tinangalan na ng battery ang hearing aid ni Kabisi.
Baka may padulas galing sa Formosa. Alam mo naman ang mga aso ni Assperon subasab sa pera. Kaya sila nagbulag-bulagan na lang o natutulog sa pansitan.
atty36252 Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 8:46 pm
“The affidavits regarding the stink in Glorietta were made after the fact; after the academe (UP professors) questioned, if it was methane, why was there no stink?
Typical yan, they fabricate evidence after the fact. Pati yung diary ni Angara about constructive resignation was made after the fact.
Nalibing na ang mga namatay sa Glorietta. Nalibing na rin ang issue. Nasaan ang pinu74ng in4ng FBI and Aussie report?”
Lest it be forgotten, please add the Super Ferry 14 accident to your list. Refer to http://www.among.reklamo.ph/sf14.htm
Ellen: Thanks for the assist.
Pareng Diego;
That’s what I called a weak government.Hindi kayang ipagtangol ang teritoryo natin,inaasahan siguro nila na ang kano ang haharang.
Putris ka cocoy, ang aga-aga kakabagan na ako sa kakatawa. “hearing air ni Kabisi”! Bwahahaha!
Nabulol si TonGuE-tWisTeD, “hearing aid” pala!
Pati kay Happy Gilmore, natatawa rin ako. Bawal daw si Joey magnegosyo sa gobyerno dahil opisyal ang TATAY niya!
E si Abalos, puwede?
at least now the discussions here is beginning to become a true forum for change…
my two cents on how to progress..
we start with ourselves, we become aware and follow the law in our own capacities.
for example – i never throw any garbage out of the car. i have a trash can inside. if everyone does this, then we can save billions in flood control and flood damage costs.
i do not jaywalk. – if everyone does this, we can save millions daily in fuel saved from smooth traffic flows.
i do not violate traffic laws when i drive – if everyone does this we can save millions in fuel and lost productivity due to traffic from unruly drivers.
i hope people here can see my point.
if all of us follows the law to the letter – then those in government will do so likewise because they know that they will be in trouble since we are a people of laws and that no one is above it.
isnt this way better than that himagsikan sh_t where the tormentors of today will only be replaced by new tormentors?
happy gilmore: Salamat sa mga suggestions.. I am truly happy at bakit ka mo:
..I never throw any garbage out of the car…sa tanang buhay ko hindi ko ginawa yon..kasi wala akong kotse..
..I do not jaywalk..I don’t do this either particularly sa Sibalom, Antique kasi wala kaming pedestrian lane sa kalye..
..I do not violate traffic laws when I drive..hindi ko rin ginagawa ito..kasi hindi ako marunong mag drive..I don’t have a car..
…I did see your points..I am a good citizen..and a good Filipino.. hindi ba? happy .give more suggetions..salamat sa iyo nakilala ko “Ako ay Pilipino”.
dear rose,
i apologize if my humble examples are not applicable in your case, but am happy that you see the point….there is an old russian saying :
do not be a black crow amongst white ones, else you will be pecked to death…
if we, as a people obey the laws and uphold our institutions, then our leaders will have no choice but be white crows like us, lest they be pecked to death.
malala at talamak na talaga ang corruption ng first family…control nila si abalos nuong eleksyon, buti na lang at nakalusot si trillianes sa pandaraya…ang dami siguradong bumoto kay trillianes nuon, sa dami ng boto, hindi na lang madaya ni abalos…corrupt din pala ang hayop na si abalos…eto at ang house speaker na pumalit, na si nograles, ay corrupt din at tuta pa ng administrasyon…kailan kaya lalaya ang mahal kong Pilipinas sa mga corrupt na politician na eto…
happy gilmore: re “if we the people…” it is quite clear that our leaders particularly in the executive, judicial, and legislative do not obey the laws and uphold our institutions, while we the people do..but they get away with it because…they have the money a lot of it to buy votes and justice..thus malabo ang pangyayari..it is all in the money..
do note lose hope Kgg. Rose
what is in order for the Phils is a Social Change. there will come a time where the people in the phils are politically and socially mature enough to produce leaders with good governance.
it might not happen within our lifetimes – it may even take generations – but we will get there one way or the other.