by Tetch Torres
Inquirer
The Department of Justice (DoJ) has approved the filing of a rebellion case against Senator Antonio Trillanes and 35 other civilian and military officers over the siege at the Manila Peninsula Hotel in Makati City last week.
In a 10-page resolution, the four-man panel of prosecutors, led by
Senior State Prosecutor Emmanuel Velasco, said that aside from Trillanes, the violation of Article 134 of the Revised Penal Code for Rebellion has been filed against former vice-president Teofisto Guingona Jr., Brigadier General Danilo Lim, Bishop Julio Labayen, Reverend Father Robert Reyes, Captain Gary Alejano, Captain Segundino Orfiano Jr., Lieutenant Senior Grades Manuel Cabochan and James Layug, Lieutenant Junior Grade Arturo Pascua Jr., 1st Lieutenant Eugene Peralta;
Lieutenant Andy Torrato, 1st Lieutenant Billy Pasua, 1st Lieutenant
Jonel Sangalan, ENS Armand Pontejos, lawyers J.V. Bautista and Yassir Gonzales, CPL Clecarde Dahan, Private First Class Juanito Jilbury, PFC Emmanuel Tirador;
PFC German Linde, Antonio Trillanes III, Myrna Buendia,
Dominador Rull Jr., Romeo Solis, Roel Gadon, Rommel Loreto, Julian
Advincula, Francisco Bosi;
Leodor Dela Cruz, Sonny Madarang, Elizabeth Siguion-Reyna, Francisco Penaflor, and several John and Jane Does.
On the other hand, lawyer El Cid Fajardo, Herman Laurel, Leonido Toledo Jr., Evangeline Mendoza, Jose Albert, Eduardo Castro, Ferdinand Sandoval, Julio Ancheta, Stella Guingona, Maamor Lanto, Romeo Dacles, Ryan Custodio, Edgardo Viana, a certain Tulalay and Ray Linaac were released for further preliminary investigation.
Another preliminary investigation will also be conducted against
Captain Nicanor Faeldon who escaped during the siege.
The complaint will be filed before the Makati City regional trial court.
Other members of the government panel are State Prosecutors Philip dela Cruz and Aristotle Reyes and Prosecuting Attorney II Alvin Navarro.
That is to be expected… akala ko nga noong una, e, “economic sabotage” ang ikakaso sa kanila…
papogi lang yang filing of charges. kina trillanes at gen. lim, baka merong merit. but as for the rest of the accused, including fr. reyes and guingona, may lusot sila. its difficult to prove that they conspired with trillanes and gen. lim.
kawawa naman ang magiging trial prosecutor.
What can I say but my condolence and sincere sympathy to all sane and decent Filipinos who have been praying to be free of the criminal who has been the cause of it all?
May the creep and her minions rot in hell! Pero sabi nga, may katapusan din ang lahat! There is light at the end of the tunnel! Tiyaga nga lang ang kailangan!
I remember that slogan on top of the former FEATI school along Echaque–Look up, young men, Never Give Up!!!
Oops, hindi na nga pala young men sina Guingona at Nemenzo, et al! For them, I say, “Hangga’t may buhay, may pag-asa!” Hero sila pag pinatay sila ni Dorobo!
“The light at the end of the tunnel can also be a train coming in your direction…” – the pessimist
“The light at the end of the tunnel can also be a train coming in your direction” This was proven in the movie Day Light…kaso ang tagal nilang nahanap yung light kaya may mga namatay sa grupo nila… a deja vu sa bansa natin.
I was just thinking if this is a part of a bigger scenario for and/or against GMA’s government.
I know this is out of the topic but the interview of REX ROBLES makes on think.
ELLEN – Can you have that discussion on your blog?
Thank you.
I heard the wife of Col. Querubin for the first time on radio as I am tuned in via Internet to the radios in Manila. She was talking of the inhumane treatments they have been receiving from the crooks in the AFP.
What a nerve indeed! They should not be talking and claiming about implementing the rule of law if these idiots would not even know what it is all about!
Something is definitely wrong, but where can Filipinos go to lodge their complaints? Their own representatives cannot even help them with majority beholden to the criminal who has been given full control and privilege even to deprive provinces with officials deemed not friendly to the criminal of their right to ask for fundings for provincial needs.
Sino bang mga gunggong ang gumawa ng batas ng Pilipinas giving a criminal full control even of the Philippine treasury. Ang bobo naman!
Gago din ano, sinusubukan lang daw kung gaano kalakas ang media laban sa autoridad daw. Wow! Bali-baligtad ang mga katwiran! Dios mahabagin!
On the other hand, these blunders by the PNP, AFP, etc. are proving to be a blessing in disguise.
Once again the Bible proves, “But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty” Hallelujah!
The above verse is found in 1 Cor. 1: 27
hehe. pwede pa ba kasuhan ang mga kinasuhan na? parang wala rin lang nagbago sa kondisyon nina Trillanes at Lim.
okey rin. parang double jeopardy lang.
There is double jeopardy if you are charged twice for the same offense – same incident. Ibang incidente ito sa Oakwood.
Of course, for practical effect, parang walang nangyari, dahil nakakulong na rin lang naman si Trillanes. He had nothing to lose.
Did he gain something? Yan ang subject ng mainit na debate sa mga ibang thread.
I think, it’s possible.
It wouldn’t be a case of double jeopardy because the cases, which may be violations of the same law, are separate events. Kung rebellion, siguro magiging two counts of rebellion ‘yan.
What I don’t get is Aling Miriam’s resolution calling for Senator Trillanes’ suspension or expulsion.
Senator Trillanes’, even before the Manila Pen standoff, had been effectively (if not technically) suspended.
If she insists on having him expelled for his acts and pronouncements last Thursday, shouldn’t she be expelled first on account of her acts and pronouncements on May 1, 2001?
In fairness, if there is such a thing, “what is good for the goose is also good for the gander”, I suppose. Rebellion charges should be also applied to group of corrupt shameless: Madam Whore Gloria Arroyo, Hubby Arroyo, Fidel Ramos, Cory Aquino, treasonous Angelo Reyes, and others. It was well documented with very strong evidences in tapes and witnesses, these group of shameles corrupt people, in 2001, plotted, planned, rebelled, and overthrow a legitimate govt. What whore Gloria did and cronies of her were far worse thann Trillanes, Lim and the others. If any should be charged with rebellion it’s whore Gloria and the rest of the corrupt shameless that help her to the whore house (formerly Malacanang Palace), were brown bags given out in order to seduce the 190 congressmen, governors and mayors to perform an oral act in congress, in which they did. Surely, the 2001 rebellion by Madam Whore Gloria and company has been shoved under the rug, only because the institution is owned by the whore Gloria. Hence, the only way to demand whore Gloria’s accountability to such rebellion is to the people, no less than “one million warm bodies” march to the whore house and demand that whore Gloria, as a start, to answer for the crimes against the people and the rule of law. In addition, lets the people be vigilant and have a public trial in Luneta (forget the congress -nothing but an empty building), bring back Hello Garci, Assperon and others to stand for people’s trial to answer on the charges of election cheating in 2004. As they say, if you want something done right, you got to do it yourself, and the people must do it. Can’t rely on the judicial, they’re nothing but pawns of Madam Whore Gloria Arroyo.
Madam Whore Gloria Arroyo is the biggest problem which is why we’re having of these rebellion. She should be accountable, but she’s getting away which is why all the frustration. Also, Whore Gloria got all the resources at her disposal to feed the hungry wolves that has been surrounding her so she can stay illegally in the whore house. As records will show, we can forget Congress and the other corrupt branch of govt (Judicial) they’re far worse than whore Gloria’s administration, because they’re supposedly educated and can distinguish the right from wrong. Yet, they choice to be on the side of evil, in exchange to Madam Whore Gloria’s brown bags. So, what’s should be done to make Whore Gloria accountable? We all know the answer, no less than “One Million Warm Bodies”, to clog the arteries leading to the Whore House (formerly Malacanang Palace).
mga panaghoy sa malayong humihibik ng kalinga
ang paos na pagsigaw sa hapding tila humihiwa
bahaw na mga tinig sa pagdurusang di matingkala
tumatagos sa kalamna’t pumupunit sa abang diwa
ngunit naroon ang naising sa pagkaalipin ay lumaya.
nakatali man ang mga kamay ang mga paa’y pinipigil
ng tanikalang hanggang leeg sa paghinga’y sumisikil
ang rehas na humaharang sa maalab na damdamin
ng pagkamit ng kalayaang ilang taon nang sinisikil
ay hindi sumasapat upang igupo ang layunin.
ang katulad ng kalayaan ay isang ubod layang ibon
sa papawirin na sa kanya’y itinalaga nitong Poon
upang kanyang liliparan sa magdamag at maghapon
doon ay magagawa niyang lahat ang kanyang layon
na wala kahit isang may karapatang sa kanya ay sumukol.
hulihin mo at ikulong ipagkait ang sa kanya’y laan
igapos mo ang mga paa’t mga pakpak niya ay talian
kuyumin mo sa iyong palad ang pagaspas n’ya ay pigilan
di ba’t siya’y mag-aalpas karapatan niya’y ipaglalaban
at hindi siya papayag na ang hangarin mo’y mangibabaw.
gayundin ay dumakot ka ng buhangin at kipilin
buong higpit na sa ‘yong palad tila taong sasakalin
hindi ba’t sa bawat siwang ng daliri mo’y hahanapin
ang kalayaang sa kanya ay pinipilit mong alisin
ang tao pa kayang kaytagal na’ng katarunga’y nais kamtin?
Toney,
Nick Joaquin’s account of the interview he had with Mike Arroyo after EDSA Dos would be a good evidence.
Hindi raw pwedeng sampahan ng kaso si Aling Gloria because of “presidential” immunity. I wonder if lawyers can explore the possibility of suing “private citizen” Mike Arroyo, Angelo Reyes and Fidel Ramos for rebellion, just like they’re charging civilians involved in the Manila Pen standoff.
I may be too naive to believe that Aling Cory did nothing beyond her rights, as a citizen, to express her sentiments then. I don’t think she had knowledge of the plot so cunningly crafted and so arrogantly disclosed by Mike Arroyo and his coohorts, including Aling Gloria.
atty36252: Ano sa palagay mo?
matanong lang ellen. merong bang photos ng mga journalists in handcuffs? can you post it in your blog kung meron?
Why I called Malacanang Palace a Whore House of Madam Whore Gloria Arroyo? Because, after the seduction of the 190 congressmen, governors and mayors with crispy new P1000 in brown bags by non other, Madam Whore Gloria Arroyo, what else would you call Malacanang Palace. Malacanang is now being used to seduce the corrupt officials to do evil work for Madam Whore Gloria Arroyo, that’s why. It’s dirty place to be without moral values. Disgusting!
Ka Magno,
Muli mong binubuhay ang pagmamahal ko sa larangan ng panulaan! Sundan mo ang kawing na ito upang sulyapan ang isang tulang naglalaman ng saloobin kong halos kaayon ng saloobin mo:
http://melviado.blogspot.com/2004/10/pagtatahip.html
“Sino bang mga gunggong ang gumawa ng batas ng Pilipinas giving a criminal full control even of the Philippine treasury.” – Yuko
Well, as what Mr. Kaimo of the defunct http://www.pldt.com website declares; “Welcome to the Philippines! The Band Aid Capital of the World ( meaning lahat ng mga solution sa problema pangtagpi lang )… Where all laws are mere suggestions!”
Ka Enchong, people as a group must demand that Madam Whore Gloria Arroyo must also answer to rebellion charges. Whore Gloria is not above the law, she must be accountable. We can forget the rule of law and the constitution as it’s written, in Gloria’s enchanted kingdom there is no such thing as the rule of law, only Whore Gloria’s law are being now recognized by the wolves of whore Gloria. Play the game as Madam Whore Gloria would play it, it’s the only way can be played in the present Philippines atmosphere. Be smarter than the whore Gloria. Everything is possible!
oo nga d b pwedeng idemanda yung baboy n asawa ni GMA private citizen lang un d b?
paanong madedemanda ‘yung baboy eh nagtatago sa likod ng piggy immunity.
“Will Trillanes be expelled from the Senate?
Section 97 of the Rules of the Senate state: “Upon the recommendation of the Committee on Ethics and Privileges, the Senate may punish any Member for disorderly behavior and, with the concurrence of two-thirds (2/3) of the entire membership, suspend or expel a Member. A penalty of suspension shall not exceed sixty (60) calendar days.”
How I Expect Senators to vote on the Proposed Expulsion of Senator Trillanes from the Senate:
YES:
1) Angara,Ed
2) Arroyo,Joker
3) Defensor-Santiago ,Miriam
4) Enrile,Juan Ponce
5) Gordon ,Dick
6) Honasan,Gringgo
7) Lapid,Lito
8) Revilla,Bong
9) Zubiri,Mike
No:
1) Aquino,Noynoy
2) Biazon,Rodolfo
3) Escudero,Chiz
4) Lacson,Ping
5) Madrigal,Jamby
6) Pangilinan,Kiko
7) Pimentel,Aquilino
8) Roxas,Mar
It depends:
1) Manny Villar (depends where the political wind blows)
2) Estrada,Jinggoy( depends on Erap,who depends on GMA)
3) Cayetano,Allan Peter (depends on Manny V.)
4) Cayetano,Pia(depends on Allan Peter)
5) Legarda,Loren (depends on Ed)
Note:There are 23 Senators in the 14th Congress.Senator Trillanes obviously cannot vote.Need 15 “Yes”votes to expel Senator Trillanes!
“Hints” from Manny Villar:
The Senate president said some senators were sore at Trillanes for what he did. Di lahat na senador gusto tumulong. May nagalit sa ginawa niya (Not all senators want to help him. Some are still sore at him for what he did).”
“Mahirap ang kalagayan niya. Kami ay handa umalalay, pero wala kaming choice dito, di namin pwede saklawan (He is in a tight fix. But as much as we want to help him, we cannot claim custody of him at this time),” he said.
I am sorry to dash your hopes out guys… but GMA is one step ahead of you… by making even the Supreme Court ( that infamous Davide court )a party to her deeds, what chance would the charges prosper?
Remember, how they handled the Erap case? Now way in hell will the court find him innocent, because no matter how flimsy the evidence against Erap were, finding him innocent, will make them accountable for treason for removing him in 2001. So they have to give a guilty verdict… but to avoid the revolt of the masses, presidential pardon was given. That was a master stroke! It solved several problems for GMA… Also, GMA didn’t pardon Erap out of compassion, she did it to set a precedent … for her in the future… in case it is her turn to be charged with plunder… in the end, pansarili pa rin ang motibo nang lahat…
You have seen how GMA manipulated the system to avoid impeachments… were those moves legal? But why was she able to get away with it? Does the rule of law has anything to do with this?
I have no illusions about the current situation;
1. GMA will not step down peacefully. One has to drag her down.
2. GMA needs to be in power beyond 2010… otherwise, it will be a day of reckoning for her and her family… for all those actions committed…
3. People Power is a myth! People Power 1 and People Power 2 will not succeed had the military didn’t act. It is the military that topples gov’t not people power. Maybe that is why it seemed that Trillanes and Lim are basically calling their comrade in arms rather than the people per se…
4. Nobody was killed outright in Manila Pen because the world was watching… not because the authorities care about the lives of the people in there… Kung walang cameras doon, sigurado ubos lahat ang nasa loob…
Agree, K E, that there is sufficient basis to charge the people you mentioned; and the charge will stick.
Kaya lang, last touch si Sec Raul of the DOJ. He can overturn any finding of probable cause, just like what he did with the charges against Gringo.
Are they safe? Well, hanggang 2010 yes. After June 30, 2010, it’s anybody’s guess.
“Kung walang cameras doon, sigurado ubos lahat ang nasa loob…”
kaya nga SWAK ang halos lahat na ipinadala doon. me pagulong gulong pang ginawang syuting ng pelokola.
napakagagaling umarte dahil alam nilang ilan lamang ang mga armado sa loob at madami pang sibilyang kasama.
parang napakatatapang na salbeyds lamang ang mga alama gawin sa mga nahuhulking kalaban.
matatapang sa mga walang kalaban laban!
mga buset!
nung nanood ako last thursday ng nangyayari s makati I didn’t see any military n pinadala ni GMA puro PNP siguro natatakot syang lumipat ng kampo mga military tapos north and south expressway naglagay sila ng checkpoint para walang sumama kay trillanes sa tingin ko kulang lang talaga s communication kaya d nagprevail si Senator Trillanes dahil after that daming nagrarally nung death anniversary ni Bonifacio sayang talaga kung properly informed ung mga tao I know nasa kulungan n si GMA saka ung asawa nyang baboy
kakanta muna ako, natutunan ko ito sa butt e-vote
alagang-alaga namin si tagpiasong mapayat, asong di-ligo
sardinas ang ulam, laging nasa kalye…
and the beat goes on…
TOP TEN REASONS WHY TRILLANES AND COMPANY PACKED UP:
1) Not even his mother joined them
2) Oakwood had a better lobby
3) CNN was not there to cover it
4) The hotel had run out of ice cubes
5) The APC’s were parked in the lobby and not the parking lot
6) Trillanes realized being teargassed was not part of his mandate as senator.
7) Guingona thought it was an anti-erap, or pro-erap pardon rally, whatever…
8) Surrender was better than the company of Father Robert Reyes.
9) Trillanes noticed people were crying not because of the tear gas but because of him
10) Even GMA was beginning to look better the longer they stayed
TOP TEN REASONS WHY THEY SHOULD HAVE GONE TO VICTORIA COURT INSTEAD:
1) They were only gonna stay for a ‘short time’ anyway
2) Bishop Labayen and Fr. Robert Reyes could have heard confessions
3) They could have wet the towels in the jacuzzi to combat tear gas
4) There are no wedding receptions in Victoria Court. Only honeymoons.
5) It always has more people than Manila Pen
6) The APC won’t know which garage to park
7) The ceiling mirrors would have thrown off the raiding party.
8) ABS-CBN could have done an episode of XXX and The Buzz while covering the coup
9) ‘What happens in Victoria Court stays in Victoria court’
10) It’s a good place to get screwed
Amazing that the Navy, usually known to be the “Silent Service” is at the forefront of the combat against this bogus president…
Go NAVY go!
Brownberry: saan ang Victoria Court? Sa Hongkong?
piping dilat: the end of the hell coud also be “Satanas Court!”
BTW successful daw ang Simbang Gabi sa St. Patrick’s cathedral NYC. It was led by no less than Hilario Davide..in thanksgiving for the “long reign of Gloria”. Malamig kasi kaya na natulog na lang ako…ang dami dami kasi ng simbang gabi celebrations…At Holy Face Monastery in Clifton, Fr. Bernard, OSB the superior of the place asked me..”Rosemary, are you coming?” when I was told that it starts Dec. 16 at 4:30 am, I could not answer a yes..
K.E., according to the news, Trillanes, et al are being charged with rebellion. So, double jeopardy! In short, natatanga na ang mga kumag! 😛
Magno: “Kung walang cameras doon, sigurado ubos lahat ang nasa loob…”
kaya nga SWAK ang halos lahat na ipinadala doon. me pagulong gulong pang ginawang syuting ng pelokola.
*****
Sabi ko na nga sa inyo, parang “Combat” ang nangyari. At saka ang linaw-linaw naman ng mga suot—military uniform kaya sinong may sabing hindi mga sundalo ang ipinadala doon. Kung may pulis man, iyon ang nakahalang sa mga nag-usyoso doon na riot squad daw. Sinong niloloko ng mga ungas?
Kaya nga sabi ko bakit under ng military ang police sa Pilipinas? Noong araw naman iyong Manila’s Finest, Makati Police, etc. pulis lang talaga. Iyon ngang mga dating pulis na kakilala namin na ngayon ay nasa Tate na, nagugulat at napapakamot na lang ng ulo!
Hindi mo nabanggit, Magno, iyong parang recorded na shooting. Iyon pala one-sided lang ang barilan may kasama pang tangke. Sobrang over-acting talaga ni Pandak.
Dapat ngayon sila mag-Thaksin. Iyong mga Thai nag-coup nang magpunta si Thaksin sa London!
I think, it’s possible.
It wouldn’t be a case of double jeopardy because the cases, which may be violations of the same law, are separate events. Kung rebellion, siguro magiging two counts of rebellion ‘yan.–Ka Enchong.
Pareng Ka Enchong;
Tamang-tamang ang pagiling mo ng kaping barako.Husto sa timpla.Of course! Hindi magiging double jeopardy.Two counts of rebellion in two separate incidents.Ngayon pag guilty sila sa dalawang charges at mahatulan sila ng firing squad,ang mangyayari ay babarilin sila tapos babangunin uli at isasalang na naman sa firing squad.It doesn’t matter now,kung sampung rebellion case pa ang isasamapa sa kanila,huwag lang silang sumalang sa firing squad.Malaki ang chances nila na mamuhay muli ng normal dahil pagdating nila ng 70 years old ay pardonado na sila kahit sampung beses pa ng bitay ang hatol sa kanila.Ang problema nina Trillanes and company ay ang civil cases na isasampa sa kanila ng PEN.Umabot na raw ng 25 million ang nagastos sa repair.Mamumulubi sila.Someone has to pay.The PEN management doesn’t care where the money come from as long as the can get reimbursement for all the damages.I think the court will make Trillanes and his group pay for the table napkins,renovation,broken glasses including the emotional trauma of the bartenter.But, if they have a law in the Philippines of chapter 7,8,9,10 and paragraph 12(b)-Joc-Joc Bolante.They can file bankcruptcy.Katulad ng ginagawa ng mga pinoy turista dito na mahilig magkaskas ng plastik sa Boracay at mamili ng mga mamahaling gamit,pag-uwi nila ng America,the first thing they do,They call Atty;Agaton to file necessary papers in court.Kaya yumaman si Attorni sa mga bankcruptcy cases.
Rebellion charges kina Trillanes, ha?
Charged Gloria first, siya ang ang promotor and number one guilty of rebellion.
Iyong Raul Gonzales, hindi pa namatay. Bakit ba binibigyan ng power ang ungas na iyan na takutin pati mga judges ng court kung hindi susunod sa utos ni Unano e hindi naman siya confirmed. Dapat kini-question iyan sa Senate. Bakit hindi iyan ang idakdak ni Brenda (Brain Damaged) Santiago? Inutil!
Bagay, sabi nga “Onli in da Pilipins!” Kung sabagay pangalawa pa lang itong attempt na i-unseat si Dorobo. Third time around baka tuloy na! Kaya takot na takot iyong mga inutusan niya. Pati siya, for sure dahil ang daming bugs sa mata niya. Ang pangit tuloy!
Balak pa naman yatang umalembong kay Andrew, who BTW is a bachelor as he is divorced from his ex-wife Sarah. Mataba rin pero mas payat kesa kay Fatso. 😛
rose Says:
December 4th, 2007 at 12:22 am
Brownberry: saan ang Victoria Court? Sa Hongkong?
Ans. It’s in Pasig. But, please don’t ask me if I’ve ever been there.
Yuko: sino ang aalembong? ang ina? o yong anak? or by one and take one?
Brownberry: Thanks for the info. No, I will not ask you..but were you there? sa Manila Pen ang ibig kong sabihin…
sina gloria’t esperon ay mga buhay na halimbawa
ng mga taong ganid, sa kapangyariha’y sugapa
lahat ay gagawin makamtan lamang ang nasa
manatili sa poder na bunga ng daya
sapagkat natatakot sa singil ng madla.
mga wala silang puso, kaluluwa at damdamin
ang nasa isip lamang nila’y matupad ang mithiin
sa anumang paraan sila’y di papipigil
mawasak man ang lipunan, ‘daming buhay ma’y makitil
mangibabaw lamang ang buktot nilang hangarin.
mabuti pa ang kawayan abutin ma’y anong tayog
sa ihip ng hangi’y buong pakumbabang yumuyukod
parang may isip siyang sa lupa’y yayapos
hahalik at darapang may pagsukong lubos
sa kabatirang ito ang sa kanya ay humubog.
gayundin ang dahong umusbong sa duklay
natatapos din ang silbi’t pakikilaro sa araw
isinusuko ang sarili’t napipigtas sa tangkay
bumabagsak sa lupang kanyang pinagmulan
natutuyong ganap pinapanawan ng kulay!
Thanks, atty!
Rebellion nga pala is a crime against the state- the state being represented by the government, which, in turn, is made up of people whom the complaint is supposed to be against. Ang gulo!
Really becomes complicated and difficult when you have a government that not only fails to represent the ideals of the state, but, more so, even thwarts its will.
In the meantime, we can only hope and pray that moves to facilitate Aling Gloria’s stay in power beyond June 30, 2010 do not succeed.
Rose,
Most likely iyong parang “buy one take one” and that is kung talagang hayok iyong nataehan sa ulo gaya ni Andrew!
Feeling royalty na si Piglet sa totoo lang. Mantakin mo namang pinalaki na ilusyonadong mga magulang na tinatawag yatang “princess.” Walang pinag-iba doon sa isang tiya kong taga-Pangasinan na may tupak din na ang tawag sa mga anak na babae ay “Princess” din samantalang ang alam namin ang mga magulang ay cook lang sa isang hacienda sa Pangasinan. Medyo nakaangat nga lang nang mapangasawa ng isa sa tiyo ko.
The crime of rebellion requires rising publicly AND taking arms against the government.
Who had the arms? The guards of Trillanes. Esperon says the guards did not join Trillanes. Sinisiguro lang daw na hindi makatakas. So the act of the guards cannot be imputed on Trillanes; they did not have a conspiracy. There was, therefore, no taking of arms on the part of Trillanes.
Mukhang kulang sa elements.
Maybe kaya kailangan ng raw footage from ABS-CBN, dahil walang ebidensya. Kung walang arms, di unruly demonstration lang yun, hindi rebellion. Baka naghahanap ng sandali, where Trillanes held a 45 or something.
This is going to be a good fight. I know Theodore Te. Mahusay yan. Huwag lang magkaroon ng manufacturing katulad ng Glorietta.
Atty36252,
Hindi ka ba nagtataka na palagi na lang may naiiwang incriminating evidence detailing the entire plans and the people involve ang mga Magdalo sa hotels? Last time may diskette pa nga… ganoon kaya kaburara ang mga Magdalo, o talagang may diploma sa Agriculture ( sa pagtatanim ) ang PNP natin? Dati sachet lang marijuana o shabu ang itinatanim, ngayon dokumento na…
Eto line-lecture-an pa tayo sa science of septic tank explosion… at inference and deduction… ( “kung walang bomb fragments, walang bomba….therefore septic tank yun na nahaluan ng diesel” )
At least nag-iimprove yung skills ng PNP natin, di ba?
Sinong kinakausap ni Esperon nang sinabi niya ito? Kundi ba naman inutil inamin na walang armas sina Trillanes at siniguro na ng mga guwardiya na hindi makakatakas. So, why then did they attack and tried to siege the hotel with a full battle geared battalion? Para manakot? Stupid!
No, Rose. I wasn’t there at Manila Pen but I was monitoring it. Did you notice no one from among the top AFP brass come out in the open to declare their support for GMA? It was only Esperon. Actually, naghihintay lang ang mga ibang Generals. Kung nagtagumpay sina Trillanes, lalabas ang mga Generals para ipakita ang kanilang suporta sa grupo…prelude to GMA’s inevitable downfall. But as usual, there was a very powerful foreign hand that prevented it again.
a good leader is a good follower. . how can you lead the country when you are showing disrespect to our judiciary system (walk out of court)
kung di ka believe sa kanila then you should not have attended the hearing. Your breaking the glass door so you could enter peninsuLA.
your breaking the glass so you could open the door and force yourself in is – tresspassing and you are like a thief.
Trillanes, you dont have the potential of a good leader because you are leading us nowhere.
“a good leader is a good follower. . how can you lead the country when you are showing disrespect to our judiciary system ” – makabayan
GMA administration also disrespected the system by stonewalling the investigations like the ZTE and the Malacanang bribery scandals… or by holding the families of key witnesses hostages to the Hello Garci or Jose Pidal scandals…. is she a good leader ?
“Trillanes, you dont have the potential of a good leader because you are leading us nowhere. ” -makabayan
And where is GMA leading us to?
piping dilat,
Makabayan said “Trillanes, you don’t have the potential of a good leader because you are leading us nowhere. ”
please limit your comment on trillanes. makabayan isn’t talking about GMA
between trillanes and GMA, hay naku, si GMA na lang
‘ika nga “better the devil you know than the devil you don’t”
di pa proven si trillanes. hindi, wait, proven na pala. proven stupid, arrogant, deluded, self-righteous, too full of hubris and of himself, and a future Musharraf
bro, delikado yang “anyone-but-GMA” attitude. lalo na kung walang better alternative
“What Trillanes did may have been wrong but sometimes it is necessary to create situations that focus attention on continuing cases of grave injustice and a growing culture of impunity – LtGen Farolan.”
Makikisabat ako, with your kind indulgence, ASIII.
While I may agree that the anyone-but-GMA attitude is dangerous, believing that there is no better alternative to Aling Gloria is even more dangerous. I cannot accept the implication that Aling Gloria is simply the best there is.
Our fault has always been that in searching for an alternative, our main requirement is that he must be rabidly anti-GMA. I say, this is a flaw because this mindset limits our field of choices to those in the opposition when we cannot totally rule out the possibility of STILL having even a few souls who can lead us better while coming from non-opposition, non-political pools.
“please limit your comment on trillanes. makabayan isn’t talking about GMA ” -ASIII
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When one talks of issues… one will find out if his stand makes sense if it survives the counter arguments thrown in… you don’t win by putting limits on counter arguments… simply put… if your stand doesn’t survive the arguments, you might as well throw it out… that’s how you find out if you are on the “right” side of the issues in forums like these…
“between trillanes and GMA, hay naku, si GMA na lang
‘ika nga “better the devil you know than the devil you don’t” …. bro, delikado yang “anyone-but-GMA” attitude. lalo na kung walang better alternative ” – ASIII
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That is the standard “panakot” ni GMA noong 2004 campaign against FPJ… and of course, kinuha si Noli as VP dahil alam nya na Noli does not have the capability to upstage her…Ginagawang panakot yan nang mga kaalyado nya sa mga gustong magpatalsik sa kanya… “Sino ang ipapalit nyo kay GMA? Si Noli? Gusto nyo sya mamuno sa Pinas? ”
Ibig mong sabihin, GMA is irreplacable in spite of the 90M Filipinos in this country? Unbelievable!
Ang masasabi ko naman dyan e… Kay Trillanes na ako… baka sakaling gumawa nang matino… kay GMA, walang pag-asang gumawa nang matino yan! It will be more of the same…
Ka Enchong,
“Makikisabat ako, with your kind indulgence, ASIII.”
Please. Go ahead.
“While I may agree that the anyone-but-GMA attitude is dangerous, believing that there is no better alternative to Aling Gloria is even more dangerous. I cannot accept the implication that Aling Gloria is simply the best there is”
No, gloria is not the best there is per se. gloria is the best there is because there is no one else around who has the competence and integrity. its like winning a tournament in which she is the only contestant. ‘best’ by default
kaya nga i quoted “better the devil you know than the devil you don’t”. no one in the opposition has earned the right to replace her.
this view is no longer new – the opposition cannot offer a credible alternative to gloria. gloria is still seated, not because she’s the best, but because of the incompetence of the opposition
“Our fault has always been that in searching for an alternative, our main requirement is that he must be rabidly anti-GMA.”
di ako kasama sa ‘our’ ha? 🙂 by the way, what you said is a wise saying. i hope the opposition can heed it
“I say, this is a flaw because this mindset limits our field of choices to those in the opposition when we cannot totally rule out the possibility of STILL having even a few souls who can lead us better while coming from non-opposition, non-political pools.”
well-taken. a good idea. the next move is to tap these possible ‘choices’.
you got some problems – the opposition will never allow gloria’s successor to come from outside their ranks. so you may have found the best alternative, but if the opposition will not endorse him, wala din.
pero pwede ding the ‘non-opposition opposition’ could find this best alternative, and help him be the much-needed and awaited representative of the ‘Third Force’ – the true alternative not just to gloria but also to the incompetent opposition! ako okay sa akin yan.
but until that time comes, ill cast my lot with gloria
“When one talks of issues… one will find out if his stand makes sense if it survives the counter arguments thrown in… you don’t win by putting limits on counter arguments… simply put… if your stand doesn’t survive the arguments, you might as well throw it out… that’s how you find out if you are on the “right” side of the issues in forums like these…”
tama naman yang sinasabi mo. pero makabayan was seeking a limited discussion of the narrow issue of the leadership of trillanes. not a general discussion of gloria and trillanes.
“Ibig mong sabihin, GMA is irreplacable in spite of the 90M Filipinos in this country? Unbelievable!”
Talagang unbelievable! at least until 2010. aber, sino ang ipapalit mo? kahit ang opposition di magkasundo kung sino.
“Ang masasabi ko naman dyan e… Kay Trillanes na ako… baka sakaling gumawa nang matino…”
what?!!!!? gagawa ng matino? after two attempts? pwede yang comment mo imemdiately after the oakwood incident. akala ko rin icha-channel ni trillanes sa lawmaking ang kanyang idealism, kaya binoto ko sya! pero ano ang ginawa nya? kagaguhan!
“kay GMA, walang pag-asang gumawa nang matino yan! It will be more of the same…”
sorry to say, but you don’t have the big picture. parang kay marcos. yes he is a corrupt dictator, but he also did a few beneficial things for the country. his corruption was not negated by these few beneficial things.
“what?!!!!? gagawa ng matino? after two attempts? ” -ASIII
You were talking about Trillanes… but the same things were done by Gloria… albeit in a different manner… GMA planned to usurped Erap a year and a half before 2001… and stole the 2004 election from FPJ… she was not able to function as an able leader not because of the opposition ( watak watak nga sila, sabi mo )but because she was pre-occupied of trying to legitimize her power grabs…
Teka ano ba talaga ang opposition sa yo? Mahina o malakas?
Make up your mind… they cannot be both!
“sorry to say, but you don’t have the big picture. parang kay marcos. yes he is a corrupt dictator, but he also did a few beneficial things for the country. his corruption was not negated by these few beneficial things. ” -ASIII
Sorry, remind me again of the “beneficial” things that GMA did for us… so that hindi naman ako lumabas na walang utang na loob….
alin kaya sa mga ginawa ni gloria at trillanes ang may epekto sa ekonomiya?
pagkakaalam ko, nung 2001, buti na lang naagapan ni gloria, muntik nang maging argentina ang pilipinas – di makabayad ng utang
nung 2003 Oakwood mutiny, umurong paatras ang mga gains ng economy for the past years
ngayon, di pa alam kung magkano ang economic damage ng kagaguhan ni trillanes. sana wala. lumalakas pa rin ang piso kontra dolyar
“Sorry, remind me again of the “beneficial” things that GMA did for us… so that hindi naman ako lumabas na walang utang na loob…”
cge, since you asked for it, you’ll get it. pero pag naghahanap ka ng dole-out, libreng pagkain, libreng pabahay, libre lahat, madi-disappoint ka. kung ganyan ang batayan mo, eh talagang walang benepisyo sa iyo si gloria
heto na, ibibigay ko na, some of the ‘benefits’:
1. unti-unti nang nagiging business friendly ang Pilipinas. marami pa ring dapat i-address, gaya ng high power rates, infrastructure. pero dumadami na ang namumuhunan dito, nabibigyan ng trabaho ang mga unemployed.
gloria’s government are always on the lookout for more effective economic policies. may mga palpak pa rin, pero nandun na ang direction
2. unti-unti na ring dumadami ang turista dito. 3 million in 2008 ang target, the biggest in history. ‘ika nga ni Sen Gordon, tourism means jobs. oo marami paring dapat i-address, like inadequate airports and hotels (more sa private sector iyan).
you might want to know – di maisa-batas ang Tourism Act na magbibigay sana ng incentives sa mga gustong mamuhunan sa tourism dito, like pagtayo and operate ng hotels and resorts. dahil ang inaatupag ng Senado ay investigations ‘in aid of legislation’. same situation with the cheaper medicines bill.
3. maraming programa ngayon para sa mga magsasaka throughout the country
i already expect a Bolante response. i dont deny the Bolante incident, but likewise don’t deny improvements in the lives of farmers across the country. yes kulang pa, pero the direction is there. you see it as half empty, i see it as half full
4. binabaan na ni Noli De Castro ang interest sa utang sa pabahay
5. nahinto ang kagaguhan nina trillanes, giving a semblance of political stability, which makes the country suitable and safe for business, thereby attracting more foreign direct investors that will create the jobs for the unemployed
take note, you wanted me to list the ‘beneficial things’. I already expect you will enumerate a litany of gloria’s supposed sins. i never said anything that she has clean hands. i will not even go to the point of saying that one should negate the other, or compensate for the other.
paki-usap ko lang, since beneficial things ang pinag-uusapan natin, limit your criticisms to the economic/business aspect
dont worry, wala naman tayong utang na loob kay gloria sa mga ‘beneficial things’ na ito. kasi ginagawa lang naman nya ang trabaho nya na pagandahin ang ekonomiya