Thank you all for your concern.
I was released 10:30 p.m. with Malaya Makati reporter Azchel Hachero, my blog trainee Jerome Layug, and more than 20 other journalists who were brought to Camp Bagong Diwa to be processed.
Some were finger-printed and told to undergo drug test. Our lawyers were not allowed to enter the camp. It’s a good thing the Abs-cBN assisted us. We were told to just give nothing more than our name and information on our ID.
Treating us like common criminals was simply condemnable.
From Malaya:
The Philippine Press Institute condemns the arbitrary arrest of members of the media who covered the standoff at the Manila Peninsula.
We see clear danger in the government’s seemingly hasty interpretation that the coverage and reporting of the standoff threatens national security as this may be the only ground that government may use in rounding up those who stayed inside the hotel.
We will continue to fight for press freedom under any kind of threat.
The fact that media were asked to leave but refused cannot justify the arrest. Media exposed themselves to the harm by the forces of the state and chose to do their duty. In the same manner, those who were outside the hotel but were not arrested were similarly performing their duties.
We find it a lame excuse that the arrest had to be made because there was intelligence information that the ranks of legitimate media have been infiltrated. The very simple thing to do was to have asked who they work for and check their respective agencies or companies.
We object to this undisguised martial law practice.
The National Union of Journalists of the Philippines (NUJP), urged the PNP to stop treating journalists who covered the Magdalo uprising as enemies of the state.
Jose Torres Jr., NUJP chairman, condemned “in the strongest terms” the rounding up of journalists and the confiscation of video footage of the standoff.
“We denounce the overkill that led to the tying of the hands of members of ABS-CBN’s technical team and reporters in what looked like a virtual arrest. The explanation by police officials and Defense Secretary Gilbert Teodoro that the move was made to prevent the escape of Magdalo troops does not wash,” he said.
He said the technical team had superiors who could have been asked to verify their identities.
“While we concede the PNP’s right to conduct a thorough investigation of a crime – and we do not dispute that the takeover of the Peninsula was a crime – the police ought to follow legal procedures. Invitations to questioning should be differentiated from coercion; journalists have the option to accept the invitation and, certainly, should be accorded the basic right to counsel,” he said.
He said while the authorities have the right to demand a halt to coverage that could jeopardize the lives of state security forces, “any move for redress should pass through normal channels, involving management of television stations and not lowly ground staff.”
He said the live footage of the Pen standoff showed that the media did not block authorities from doing their tasks nor did they show any bias for Trillanes and his group. He said the rebels actually complained about media’s alleged bias for government.
“It is regrettable that a day that would have given the government a clear-cut political victory would be marred by knee-jerk reactions of the authorities. This government claims it is protecting democracy. It should realize that media is a prime component of the democracy it purports to serve,” he added.
Related story: ABS-CBN eyes suit; PNP readies countersuit
Thanks God. Mabuti at hindi ka pinag-initan ng mga alipores ni Esperon at Gloria.
ate Ellen thank God youre ok and wala naman nangyaring masama sa inyo….regarding sa nangyari kanina masyadong over kill ang ginawa ng AFP and PNP, then now may curfew pa, then what’s next martial law?
What a relief! Have a good rest Ma’m Ellen.
Ay, salamat at walang nangyaring masama sa ‘yo Ellen! Ingat lagi! God bless!
Helen, you are one hell of a brave lady – take a good rest.
Folks, we are not playing a game of chess so why do we try to take the rook when we should be taking the Queen? -Checkmate!
Trillanes and Lim asked which side are you? Gloria or pagbabago…Mam Ellen is for pagbabago while the rest or majority of filipinos are for Gloria (?)…nakakalungkot pero
these two gentlemen have already shown their bravery at ginawa na nila lahat para sa pagbabago.
I hope that the next president will release and grant amnesty for them…sa ngayon nakakaawa na talaga he won the election pero di man lang nakapaglingkod ng maayos.
Napakaikli naman ng negotation nila samantalang pag may hostage drama ang tagal ng usapan pero in the case of Manila Pen ibang klase ang bilis kahit na may civilian sige banat.
Hay, salamat naman Ellen nakalabas ka na. Alam mo bang yung ginagamit pamposas na nylon cable tie e pantali ng electrical wires yun? Kung mapahigpit iyon ay pwedeng malaslas ang pulso mo at pumutok ang blood vessels mo. Buti na lang matapang ka talaga, hindi ka natalian.
Nagulat ako paguwi ko sa bahay (galing Ayala) ikaw yung nasa news ng GMA!
All of us should conform to the standard of modesty even for a while inorder to reassure others that we have the right dose of one thing Trillanes is longing for….SANITY. The media is just a part of a collateral damage between Trillanes group’s fight for power. I strongly condemn the prosecution of the media if its main reason is to suppress truth, but media as well has to know where to draw lines between what is genuine and what is crap.
Buhay na naman yung tirador na si Sir Raul O. Gonzales, (si Billy the Kid o Bili da kidney) pinag-aaralan daw kung pwedeng gamitin yung anti-terror law. Si Puno naman nagbabalak kasuhan ang media for obstruction. Naku! Yung curfew nga niya di namin pinapansin dito. Ginawa ko, inilabas ko yung magic sing at TV, nagpabili ako ng alak saka nilasing ko lahat ng istambay, sa kalye!Hehehe!
Nang may pumaradang mobile sa tapat, nagsigawan ang mga lasing, “Yan ang mga humuli kay Trillanes!” at sabay-sabay na nagsitayo. Sa takot nung mga nasa mobile, sumagot ng “kakampi pala tayo!” sabay sibat.
Ayun, nagkalat ngayon ang mga lasing sa kalye namin, pero sinong huhuli dito?
Curfew daw! Bwahahaha!
duren: “…media as well has to know where to draw lines between what is genuine and what is crap.”
We can see that.
Ellen, Di kita narinig sa radyo nung ma-interview ka sa DZMM, pero this confirm one thing, pang tri-media ka na!
Wow! Ellen pinabilib mo ako.Hindi lang one hand salute,kundi dalawa pa! Ang tapang mo.Keep it up.Although naiinis ako dahil walang mga civilian na sumuporta.Natutuwa ako sa iyo na talaga palang hangang sa dulo ng walang hanngang ang paninindigan mo.
Ellen, is it true, nakatakas na naman si Capt. Nic Faeldon? Nakita ko kahapon katabi siya ni AT4. Iniinterview ngayon si Gen. Avelino Razon, hindi ma-confirm kung na-account na si Faeldon.
For all opposition, instead of going for rebellion should dedicate their time in gathering evidences to prove their claims and allegations….starting from 2003 elections up until now. If they have any single prima facie evidence that can prove GMA has committed these crimes, they do not need to stress their voice and call people to march….I will be in front of the line.
“Although naiinis ako dahil walang mga civilian na sumuporta” – pareng cocoy.
It is not true that majority of the people has gone deaf, we have been listening intently all this time, its just that people has gone smart and are now capable of telling who is insane and who is not. Hitherto all the opposition have not proven anything yet, maybe they are afraid to seek for they know there is nothing there all along…..
ELLEN:Thank GOD.Ingat.These are cruel times.Evil men.Pray for you and the rest of the brave journalists.
Ellen, good you were released!
Ibon mang may layang lumipad
Kulungin mo at umiiyak
Bayan pa kayang sakdal dilag
Ang di magnasang makaalpas!
Pilipinas kong minumutya
Pugad ng luha ko’t dalita
Aking adhika,
Makita kang sakdal laya!
duren: …”It is not true that majority of the people has gone deaf, we have been listening intently all this time, its just that people has gone smart and are now capable of telling who is insane and who is not. Hitherto all the opposition have not proven anything yet, maybe they are afraid to seek for they know there is nothing there all along…..” (Highlight mine)
Tama na, duren.
Bilib tayo kay Ellen, blogging and reporting (Malaya) in real-time!
Ellen, Lt. Pontejos and Sgt. Bose had been recaptured in the clearing ops.
But Capt. Faeldon is confirmed to have escaped again!
duren: do you think Ellen is not fighting for justice and the truth? Are you? Malungkot isipin na sa mga ginagawa ni Ellen ay mayroon pang nagdududa..a doubting Thomas! Come Holy Spirit…help!
Masakit isipin na pagdudahan pa ang motives ni Ellen..pero the truth will set her free…
Good, Tongue. I just got home. (I stayed in the office because of the curfew) I still have to sleep. Thank you all for your concern.
But it’s good to know that Lt. Pontejos (he was the one who finished a telecommunication technology course at the UP’s open university. When he attended the commencement exercises last year, he was heavily guarded) and Sgt Bose are alive.
Hi Ellen, I’ve been praying for you since I saw you last nite on TV. Isog gid ang antiquenos!
From Sen.Aquilino Pimentel Jr:
Although a cherished right of the people, freedom of the press is different from other liberties of the people in that it is both individual and institutional. It applies not just to a single person’s right to publish ideas, but also to the right of print and broadcast media to express political views and to cover and publish news. A free press is, therefore, one of the foundations of a democratic society, and as Walter Lippmann, the 20th-century American columnist, wrote, “A free press is not a privilege, but an organic necessity in a great society.” Indeed, as society has grown increasingly complex, people rely more and more on newspapers, radio, and television to keep abreast with world news, opinion, and political ideas. One sign of the importance of a free press is that when autocratic forces take over a country, their first act is often to muzzle the press.
It seems Trillanes’ victory in the May 2007 polls made him forget the lasting lessons of the July 2003 mutiny: As the public opinion polls showed soon afterwards, the people sympathized with them and their cause, but vigorously condemned the violent path they had chosen.
duren and dharmadumb…Nobody’s laughing, dont ever think you’ve got the last laugh…there isnt any…the loudest is yet to come.
The CSAFP and Service Commanders were asked to go to Malacanang last night, none of them showed up. Ermita wasnt party to the decisions there. FVR was being reached last night, he refused to take calls. The soldiers in Mindanao are angered with how the people, that is the media as they are civilians first and foremost, that they should protect were treated in that way by the police. And they definitely will not like that their fellow soldiers will be subjected to police custody. Clearly Puno has proven to the President he can fully utilize the PNP, its SAF most especially, against the soldiers who will pose a challenge. The SAF had been talked out on this, but they chose to blindly follow orders. The soldiers will always resent the rationale of orders coming from no more than a campaign strategist in the person of Puno. And Puno is all that the President has now and yes Norberto Gonzales whose idea by the way, is to assemble all loyal cabinet members and congressman to malacanang to show force, how weak. Only Ermita can call the Generals to the Palace. In Oakwood and in February 2006, you can see the full control of the military then, they were calling the shots and holding press conferences, and no less than the CSAFP was talking. Yesterday, the AFP was reduced to a pool of spokesman to handle the questions…this as the generals are trying to get their men together and have a firm hold of them again, truly its time for AFP to redeem the pride of the institution, after all its not this government that soldiers will fight for, its the people…the country.
to duren and dharmadumb, you can fall with your government, the soldiers will rise up again for this country.
This armed undertaking had failure written all over it. It had the DNA of the ineptly executed Oakwood mutiny and the inadequately prepared-for standoff. The idea that a commander-in-chief can be forced out of office by taking over a secluded building in Makati was ridiculous in 2003; it is only pathetic now.
He cynically put people in harm’s way, exploited the reporters and cameramen who covered him as his own protective shield, deliberately harmed the country’s image — and for what? To prove to the nation that his alternative to the “ruthlessness” of the Arroyo presidency was his own brand of incompetence.
“This was a publicity stunt,” says Benito Lim, a political analyst and professor at the Ateneo de Manila University. “It doesn’t seem to have been particularly well-planned and there also does not seem to have been a great deal of support from the masses or from the military.”
The problem, Lim believes, is that while Arroyo’s approval ratings are dismal, there are few legitimate opposition figures set to replace her. “I don’t even think the opposition want Arroyo to fall, not really,” he says, noting that most would prefer to wait for a legitimate transfer of power in coming elections scheduled for 2010. “If Arroyo went now, it would be very inconvenient for them. There is no obvious replacement for her.”
Earlier, comrades and friends of the two soldiers were in the dark as to their fate. Some reports have it that they were held captive and tortured to deliver a scripted “confession” prepared by you-know-who.
Madulas pa rin si Faeldon. Parang si Palos!
Hindi ko maintindihan yung mga taong nagdedepensa kay Bulilit dito… yung mga kabinete at congressman at governors at iba pa … naiintindihan ko yan… dahil bayad sila…
yung iba, ewan ko… practically, ninanakawan na sila at dinuduraan sa mukha ng rehimeng Arroyo, nakatingala pa rin at nakangiti…
But I just saw Bibeth Orteza on TV. Together with Fr. Reyas, Guingona and his daughter, Argee Guevarra, and the other civilians being herded to Camp Crame. Ditto the Magdalo soldiers.
Most people don’t know it, but it is true what terracotta says. “…definitely will not like that their fellow soldiers will be subjected to police custody.” In almost all cases, they avoid touching each other. It is an insult to the military that their comrades are treated like common, petty criminals, retrained by nylon cable ties, and pants down to their knees.
Those who say this situation has reached its end are merely hoping for it. The chain of command has been broken. Fence-sitting generals are feeling their way through this and no one is vocal about commitment.
That never happens when there is absolute confidence in their superiors, behind a solid organization.
Ellen,
Sorry to say this but I believe Lim and Trillanes were out of their mind to do something impromptu like this — of course, from afar there is a tendency to see their action as useless.
A kind of knee jerk reaction of this sort is bound to fail when fighting Gloria, especially when it’s the military doing it. The military is expected at the very least to compe up with a plan. Even Gloria’s coup d’état against Estrada took a year to develop. I’m not saying they should take a year but what can 20 soldiers do except to hold a press conference?
A failed move is bound to make Gloria more cautious and the military is more worse for it. Gen Lim disappoints me a bit.
I agree with you AdB.
Ana: Trillanes is not a strategist.
“Technically that is not an arrest(i.e.,the mass arrest of the journalists). That is a processing,” Interior and Local Government Secretary Ronaldo Puno said.
Hahahah! “That is a processing,” Interior and Local Government Secretary Ronaldo Puno said.”
Who does Puno think he is, Goebbels?
piping dilat,
Nasasarapan siguro silang higupin ang mabaho at nakakadiring na laway na masahol pa ang kamandag, sa lason ng dahongpalay. Kapara ba nung naaabutan lang ng konti, kesehodang ipagbili ang anak nilang dalaga sa mga manyak na hukluban.
Kung ganyan na ang kinapuntahan ng prinsipyong “edukado” dito sa Pilipinas: pera kontra sa prinsipyo, benepisyo kontra sa sakripisyo, ganansiya kontra sa serbisyo, aba e anong dahilan pa para maging edukado?
Nasaan na ang dignidad, ang pagiging disente at pagiging matuwid? Tapos mananawagan ng pagkakaisa?
-Tongue in, anew.
International press which is important too whether we like it or not in the scheme of things, i.e., to help build pressure against her, are instead “giving” Gloria thumbs up for quashing the would be rebels; 1 point less against the well meaning members of the military and 2 points for Gloria.
This doesn’t augur well for those who want to move in the near future to topple her for her sins.
Ellen,
What happened to the two missing Magdalos? Media here has reported two casualties due to the one-sided firing done by Esperon’s no yagbols troop.
Ingat!
Over here, Anna, the opinion is one against the Dorobo and two for the rebels, because over here people do not have good opinion of military gunning their own people.
Ang bilis kumilos ng publicity agency ni Pandak ha? Bloggers here should counter it as a matter of fact.
Patalsikin na, NOW na!
Yuko,
Re: “Over here, Anna, the opinion is one against the Dorobo and two for the rebels, because over here people do not have good opinion of military gunning their own people.”
Maybe so, but the bottom line is that Gloria didn’t need any additional point at all anywhere on the globe.
Lim’s and Trillanes’ move defeated their purpose because of obvious lack of planning. Fighting Gloria entails a bit more of planning. They were lucky that Esperon didn’t have the balls either to shoot them down.
In that sense, Esperon proved a bit more wily — had he shot and killed Lim and Trillanes, things might have been different as in widespread military rebellion.
Sinabi mo pa. I’ve been saying the same things in this blog and other pinoy egroups for a long, long time. From afar, one gets a real good view of the Philippines and the state it is presently in which lamentably is being used by despondent Filipinos as a great excuse for leaving, never to set foot on the Philippines again.
Para kang lumabas sa kobeta after getting used to the smell of shit there, and then going back only to realize how filthy and bad its smell is. Mahirap kasing maamoy ang kaparehong kabantutan sa totoo lang.
Kawawang bansa!
I’ve viewed most of the news clips at the Pen Hotel, please tell me where were the 70% of Manila public that repeatedly say they want this evil woman out – full of excuses blaming Gen.Lim & Sen.Trillanes when they were not supported when it mattered most – too late to do it today!
Anna,
This is what Razon says:
“The documents lays out the plan of the group on what they intend to do, who are the personalities who would do it. It states there that there are four groups involved in this activity,” he said.
He said the PNP is now going after four groups but whose personalities were identified only through codenames such as “Tirador,” “Regulasyon,” “Alabata,” “Jojit,” “Gambit” and “Sniper.”
Bonifacio Day rallies are ongoing in 3 sites and a march to Malacañang is planned later in the day.
If we were to believe the PNP, who have mastered “agriculture” skills in evidence gathering, there IS a plan.
Dagdag doon sa military brutality na hindi nakikita ng mga bulag. Ito ang isa sa mga ipinaglalaban nina Trillanes FYI. Hindi dapat na pinupuri si Assperon:
—– Original Message —–
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 10:53 AM
Subject: Photos/Text: Evacuation of lumad communities in Surigao del Sur
Residents of Lumad communities in Diatagon, Lianga and San Agustin in Surigao del Sur have fled their homes since November 1 due to massive military operations, Nov. 22, 2007
For photos and text, please visit:
http://www.arkibongbayan. org
Arkibong Bayan Web Team
Ahh, but Tongue…indeed if we could only believe the PNP “who have mastered “agriculture” skills in evidence gathering,” then by all means, Sonny Razon might be right after all that there was a plan.
I’ve always been all for Gen Lim getting in there fighting — and I sincerely hope that he did have a plan.
tama ang hinala ko sa ugali nitong si trillanes.
aba, ay gagawin na namang hostages ang mga tao sa peninsula. ay mantakin mo na isinara ang mga pinto at ayaw palabasin ang mga tao.
“The fact that media were asked to leave but refused cannot justify the arrest.”
In America, the press were told to leave the Waco compound (and moved to a safe distance to cover reporting) and they complied before the FBI made their siege. I don’t understand why the Filipino press insist on staying right in the middle of military operation and still expect to be accorded special treatment.
Even in normal police procedure, one can be arrested for obstruction (refusal to heed duly constituted authorities). The law only provides that a person cannot be jailed more than 3 days without proper charge. In fact, the Philippine authorities arrested everybody on actual scene and promptly released the press people after processing in less than 24 hours. There is hardly any press freedom issue when press can do whatever it wanted to do.
My take is from a the perspective of a segment of the military, no matter how minute, doing something in order to OBTAIN THEIR OBJECTIVE, i.e., MILITARY RESULT!
As far as I’m concerned, this is a given: Gloria is a baddie who must not be underestimated.
That was exactly what Lim and Trillanes were willing to take–die if necessary—but someone told them to think of others who may get in between, and they were forced to give up.
I actually translated the part where Trillanes and Lim were told to stop by one of their companions, but it was not included in the flash news because they were mere speculations and the news flash had to contain only those that were visible to the eye!
No need to follow any military rule here as a matter for as Senator Pimentel has stated, the acts of the military were unconstitutional!!!
Trillanes and Lim apparently were being practical in showing what it is like when there is no rule of law, and surely, they have succeeded in doing that.
nasaan kaya ang mga presidentiables? ah, siguro ayaw nilang uguyin ang bangka at maghihintay na lang ng 2010.
loren, ping, noli, manny, nasaan kayo?
…as a matter of fact…
Guevarra, in a phone interview, said aside from them Dr. Francisco Nemenzo, former University of the Philippines president, and columnist Herman Tui Laurel were also among those apprehended.
He decried police brutality as he claimed police officials, including Gen. Geary Barias, National Capital Region Police Office chief, hit Trillanes.
“Sen. Trillanes was manhandled last night. He was taken in. He was hit by a fist blow to his chest. He was elbowed,” Guevarra said.
Quotes on The Peninsula Incident:
Erap : “I have high respects for Senator Trillanes, but I must denounce this recent episode that has once again tarnished the reputation of the Philippines.”
US Embassy : “The United States and the Philippines are long time democratic allies, and the US Embassy wishes to take this opportunity to reiterate our government’s support to the rule of law, constitutional order and the government of the Philippines”
Archbishop Rosales : “What all long to see is humble, honest, inspiring and compassionate leadership among public servants who are completely disposed to unity.”
Bishop Tobias: “I want the people to go with what is right. If you think that the two soldiers, General Lim and Senator Trillanes have done the right thing then support them.”
“Running Priest” Fr. Robert Reyes : “You can choose to watch and say that this is just one of those things or you can pray. But I will insist to ask people to act. If you want change then this is the time.”
Speaker De Venecia : “We must cleanse government and society and restore the nation from what our highly respected Church leaders have described as a state of moral bankruptcy.”
Senate President Villar : “I will call for a caucus to discuss [the legality] of the curfew.”
Sen. Pimentel : “The Gloria Macapagal Arroyo administration is using the methods of martial law without declaring it. Our freedoms are being subverted not by direct action but by subterfuge. Let us all remember that the price of liberty is vigilance!”
Donald Dee : “Trillanes took an oath to defend the Constitution but he is clearly out to destabilize the government … He has violated his office as a senator.”
Jose Almonte : “These things are unnecessary if only the government is doing its job. The soul of the nation is what at stake here. Ang kaluluwa ng bansa pagtulungan nang bansa na mabuo iyon.”
ABS-CBN reporter Noel Alamar : “Iyong reklamo iyong basta na lamang pinosasan, hindi man lang sinabi sa amin kung ano’ng charges. Di ba iyong usual naman sa police iyong you have the right to remain silent, iyong Miranda doctrine, wala iyon. Basta dinala kami sa isang holding area, iyong makalabas lamang ng lobby ng Peninsula tapos pinosasan na kami sinakay na kami sa bus.”
Sec. Puno : “Technically that is not an arrest. That is a processing”
Gen. Razon : “The documents lays out the plan of the group on what they intend to do, who are the personalities who would do it. It states there that there are four groups involved in this activity. The PNP is now going after four groups but whose personalities were identified only through codenames such as “Tirador,” “Regulasyon,” “Alabata,” “Jojit,” “Gambit” and “Sniper.” ”
Gen. Esperon : “We want to assure you that the chain of command of the Armed Forces is intact and all the movements that are happening are authorized … but we encourage everyone that whenever you see troops, please report to us.”
Gen. Danilo Lim : “Now is the time for the withdrawal of support. We are joining our people in the removal of an illegitimate President … Units are joining from Mindanao to northern Luzon.”
Sen. Trillanes : “It’s tantamount to treason if I don’t do anything. There is no loss here. We just did what had to be done. If there is a loser, it’s going to be the Filipino nation because … Gloria is still in power and she will be there even beyond 2010. Like all evil regimes, there is an end to it.”
Gloria Arroyo : “We have repeatedly proved to the world the stability of our democratic institutions and the strength of this government. Our strong Republic depends on a strong economy which the whole nation desires.”
Mang Kardo, tinapa vendor : “Kung akala nila tapos na ito, sige magdiwang sila!”
Yuko,
No need to fight with me because I’m one of those against Gloria.
Re your “That was exactly what Lim and Trillanes were willing to take–die if necessary—but someone told them to think of others who may get in between, and they were forced to give up.”
That’s precisely what I meant by seeming absence of planning.
Any military officer worth his salt would have taken this in highly in consideration even before making a move. I go by the result. Road to hell is paved with good intentions.
dOdOng, korek ka dyan sa press freedom.
No client of Peninsula was hurt, and it is a fact. By 3 PM, all the guests were evacuated properly. Puede ba, kung walang alam, tumahimik na lang!
Sinong may sabing sinara ni Trillanes ang pinto ng Peninsula? Hey, walang pinto ang pinaka-lobby ng hotel. Nakapasok nga iyong tangke.
Please, huwag nang magpasa pa ng mga wrong information here. Hindi naman mangmang ang mga bloggers dito. We can see with our own eyes lalo na kung may mga available na video clips na hindi nagawang pigilan ni Dorobo na ipasara ng tuluyan ang transmission dahil alam niyang masisira siya! But there apparently was an attempt at some news blackout.
Ugas kamay na naman si Dorobo! Demonya nga!
Patalsikin na, NOW na!
Re: “Erap : “I have high respects for Senator Trillanes, but I must denounce this recent episode that has once again tarnished the reputation of the Philippines.”
I have long given up on Erap; what he says matter little to me although it may matter a lot to those who still believe in him.
Ang nag-utos na ilipat na ang mga naka-billet sa Peninsula ay mismong PNP at AFP dahil nga lulusubin na nila ang hotel by 3 pm. Ang linaw-linaw ng announcement sa totoo lang. Puede ba, tigilan na ang pagpapasa ng mga wrong info. Rely na lang tayo sa factual accounts ni Ellen. Nakakasuya pa iyong mga speculations lang lalo na tapos na ang episode kahapon.
I’d rather look forward to a new and bigger one! Sabi nga, “Daig ng matiyaga ang masipag!”
Patalsikin na, NOW na!
Anna: I have long given up on Erap; what he says matter little to me although it may matter a lot to those who still believe in him.
*****
You bet. Nagpapapel pa laos naman na!
Patalsikin na, NOW na!
The only one from Tongue’s list who said something sensible there pertaining to liberty or freedom was Sen Pimentel.
I’ve long believed that the Philippines is virtually under authoritarian rule.
trilanes planning: take civilians as hostages (why on earth a hotel?)
nawawala pala si Capt.Faeldon…ang lupit naman nito.
Is he Alive?
Loren : “Blah blah.”
Ping : “Blah blah blah!”
Noli : “Blah blah?”
Manny : “Blah.”
Urat : “Aha! Nakikisawsaw na naman kayo! Tumahimik na lang kayo! Wala talagang kwenta ang mga politiko!”
Ellen,
Here was my initial take based on the news I read even before I posted a comment here:
Contrary to what on line news have been reporting even those by The Times, The Independent or by the BBC, I don’t believe this military incident was an attempted coup d’état — it lacked the most important ingredient: planning. It may be a ‘coup’ alright which in French means “a move” but couldn’t be a military coup d’état.
The incident was, from all first-hand accounts, i.e., Ellen Tordesillas, other blogs and news items, was an impromptu “withdrawal of support”, a method for the nation’s aggrieved military elements to call for a press conference to denounce the corruption in Arroyo’s govt.
If you examine the events closely, there is no doubt in my mind that it cannot be equated to a coup d’état; apart from lack of planning, a couple of ingredients that would make it a coup d’etat are missing, i.e., takeover of important installations, eg., broadcast station, airport, or govt offices, as well as absence of potential designated ‘battle orbits.’
This incident was merely one of those non-violent “withdrawals of support,” quite unique to the Philippines which was started by Gen Angelo Reyes when he helped Gloria Arroyo topple ex-Pres Estrada and stamped with a legal imprimatur by ex-Chief Justice Hilario Davide (now enjoying a high profile social life in NY as Arroyo’s ambassador to the UN). Reyes, then chief of staff of the nation’s armed forces has since become one of the most important hig-power official in Arroyo’s government.
Point is how can they plan their operation inside the jail? Kaniya-kaniya na lang balak sa totoo lang. Dapat nakisayaw na iyong mga gustong ibagsak si Dorobo. Kaso, iyong mga nasa labas ng Manila, hindi na makapasok to join them. Pagdating noong mga nakapuslit sa Makati, tapos na ang drama!
Ngayon kakasuhan daw si Trillanes and strip him of his position as Senator without due process. Puede na sigurong isingit si Koko Pimentel kung sakali!!!
Tongue, pakimura na lang!
Patalsikin na, NOW na!
Is it a coup, mutiny, putsch, situation, or what?
• Coup d’état or simply coup: A sudden and decisive action in politics, especially one resulting in a change of government illegally or by force. The term is French and literally means “stroke concerning the state” (coup, hit, and état, state).
• Putsch: A plotted revolt or attempt to overthrow a government especially one that depends upon suddenness and speed. The Swiss German word literally means violent blow, clash or shock. It was introduced in the sense of a “coup” to refer to Swiss popular uprisings in the 1830s, especially the Zurich revolt of September 1839.
• Mutiny: Concerted disobedience or seditious action by persons in military or naval service, or by sailors on commercial vessels. Mutiny may range from a combined refusal to obey orders to active revolt or going over to the enemy on the part of two or more persons. In the Armed Forces it is considered one of the gravest crimes against military law.
• Rebellion: Open, organized, and armed resistance to one’s government or ruler. In the most general sense, a refusal to accept authority and may include a range of action and behaviors from civil disobedience to a violent organized attempt to destroy established authority. Those who participate in rebellions are known as “rebels”
DinaPinoy,
This is where your assessment is overtaken by your wild imagination: “trilanes planning: take civilians as hostages”
Taking someone or people hostage is accompanied by violence by the hostage taker but if we are to re-read first hand reports, not once nor was there ever an attempt by Trillanes to use violence on the civilians who were with him.
Let’s be a bit more circumspect. You are allowed to hate the man if that’s the way you feel but saying that his planning was to take civilians as hostages seems way out of line.
“Technically that is not an arrest(i.e.,mass arrests and handcuffing of journalists covering the Trillanes story). That is a processing,” Interior and Local Government Secretary Ronaldo Puno said.
“Oh Mortal Man, is there nothing you cannot be made to believe?Josef Goebbel, Minister of Popular Enlightenment and Propaganda
Tongue,
To me they it was a move to attract attention to the ever corrupt Gloria govt through the press. Nothing to do with coup d’état.
As in a game of chess, Trillanes and Lim made a wrong move and they were checkmated.
Ah but Florry, the chess tournament has just begun… they might have lost half a point but one can never tell who will end up being the tourney winner!
Lim and Trillanes should have known better about asspweron! Wasn’t asspweron the one who went gungho in chopping the heads of Lim and Querubin in the February 2006 supposedly aborted “coup”? Senga in his earlier pronouncements sent Lim home and Querubin as well. Meaning Senga did not think that the actions of Lim and Querubin were not worth issuing out a 1017 decree. Asspweron was quick in blocking all the routes of the supporters to their cause when there was a stand-off in Fort Bonifacio. How can their supporters, who may be mostly from the B and C class ever make it to the posh Makati hotel? Most of these people can only move if mobilized.
I do not personally think that the actions of Lim and Trillianes to surrender was defeatish. They took into account the lives of innocent people. I am also a believer that although there was tear gas and tanks and all the heavily armed soldiers, if the fight would have errupted, that there will be a lot of these uniformed men who will have to decide which side to go and at that point, Lim and Trillianes would certainly have a following from these uniformed men.
What did Lim and Trillianes lose anyway? They are both incarcerated with no hope of a fair trial anyway. In staging this Manila Pen incident, they reminded the people that we have to get rid of this regime. If it is a boxing match, this is just another round amongst many more rounds. They certainly have done more than their part, how about doing ours instead of blaming Trillianes and Lim for a failed movement. To me, they are our modern day heroes who stood up against the odds. These rebel soldiers may yet come back for another round. They are just recuperating from an almost knock out punch! The knock out punch to the tiyanak may not have come from this duo but it certainly woke up our senses that we have a tyrant sitting on the throne! Never mind if peoples’ lives are lost and properties are destroyed as long as these tyrants are in power. This was what they were prepared to do yesterday, to kill and destroy!
adebrux,
ok, baguhin natin.
trillanes planning: always have human shields.
DinaPinoy,
If that’s how you take it, who can stop you?
Nite folks, am off… gotta hit the sack.
adebrux,
tama, walang makakapigil sa mga tao na mag-isip kung ano talaga si trillanes. ibinoto na nga siya ng tao. akala siguro niya, 11 milyon ang darating. sa palagay ko, sa ginawa nila, lalo lamang naguluhan ang mga tao. sana, pinag-patuloy na lang niya ang pagka senador niya.
This was most definitely a low point in Philippine history. The Filipino people are really the losers, there was already a chance to get rid of the biggest bitch in the whole world, and they didn’t take it, punyeta talaga, maybe they really do deserve what they’re going to get from the Demon Queen by the Dead River, malas nga lang pati ako masasama dahil sa katangahan at kaduwagan ng mga kababayan ko. And I would most gladly torture to death all these pro-GMA posters on thix board, after all mahilig naman ata sila sa paghihirap di ba, eh di tuluyan na lang nila ang mga sarili nila to put them out of my misery damnit!
To The American Ambassador Kristy Kenny,
The people should respect the law but if the law does respect the people. If I were you advice President Bush to stop supporting that corrupt, liar, murderer Gloria Arroyo. Stop sending those old Armor Tanks because Gloria will just use it to suppress the Filipinos. How do you like that Democracy is dead in the Philippines, because of this one unscrupulous woman. If you don’t protect her I bet Philippines will be a nice place to be an Ambassador. Why are you beholding to that corrupt pretender to the office of the President of the Philippines.
Tanong ng mga kakilala ko sa media dito, bakit daw mahilig si Trillanes na mag-coup sa hotel sa mga hotel sa Makati. Any special reason? Curious sila.
Patalsikin na, NOW na!
Thank God you’re safe and out, Ellen.
Marcos with all his faults looks like an angel compared to gloria’s henchmen….and the soldiers manning the tanks at EDSA then were cherubims as they didn’t touch civilians who lined the streets to stop them.
Seems to me, nothing can stop gloria and her cabal of murderers from taking the post she grabbed.
But for every season, there is always an end.
The same way we put a period for each sentence,
Glue’s is near and we all know it.
It is just a matter of time.
Her end will be much awaited.
Glue, SOBRA KA NA!
TAMA NA!
ALIS DYAN!
PSB:
Malinaw naman ang statement ni Trillanes. Maluha-luha nga siya na halong inis din siguro sa kakuparan ng mga pilipino to join him and Gen. Lim, but wait, kung nandoon din siguro tayo and just relied on the ABS-CBN radio, maguguluhan din siguro tayo at hindi mag-iingay di tulad ng ginagawa natin sa blog ni Ellen. Lintik ang attempt to block the news. Taragis iyong taga-embassy, sa akin pa nakikitsismis!
Sinabi naman ni Trillanes na ang pakay nila is to show that this regime is evil, handang ipaubos ang mga pilipino basta huwag lang matanggal si Dorobo, at ipasok sa ulo ng lahat na kailangan nang bumaba ito. Iyong unang pakay, natupad sa palagay ko. Iyong tungkol sa kung pumasok sa tuktok ng LAHAT ng mga pilipino, I doubt, lalo na doon sa ginawang parang mga pataygutom na kung walang padulas hindi gagalaw! Yuck di ba?
Anyway, tuloy ang laban. Iyong mga nasa ibang bansa, kundi kayo makamartsa with your fee, OK ngarud kahit martsa with your fingers. To hell with the Dorobo’s brigaders!!!
Patalsikin na, NOW na!
On the other hand why mount a coup attempt without any concrete plan and with just a handful of supporters.It just doesn’t make sense.This is not a “hit or miss” thing. If the reason behind the action is to test the patience and support of the public, then the people failed them again. People power is passe. And besides, people already learned their lessons from the past. Thereafter, those who position themselves on the seat of power do the same things as the present corrupt occupant all over again and they will be again left in the cold as always hungry, penniless and jobless. But to really mount a successful power grab, it will be all exclusive military operation and no civilian component, but with Assperon on the AFP helm a proven lapdog and ass licker, we really needed a miracle if not we are stuck with corrupt and bogus gloria until 2010 and beyond.
…with your feet….
The time will come!
The end is near for the corrupt of this country!
Ang nangyari dahil walang suportang dumating ng nagmartsa na sina Trillanes ay pinulitika na.Kung sinuportahan ni Binay si Trillanes,text lang ni Jojo ay mapuno ng tiga makati ang kalsada ora mismo.Palagay ko naman ay hindi nila gagawin ng grupo ni Trillanes iyon kung walang plano.Ang nakapagtataka ay iyong mga MP escort nila ay bumaligtad.Hindi kaya alam ni misis ito para madiin na sina gen.lim at trillanes?
Kung wala namang alam si misis,kaya naman siguro walang suportang dumating dahil kung nagtagumpay si Trillanes siya ang bagong bida sa masa.Baka Lim-Trillanes sa 2010,kaya ayaw nina Villar,Roxas,Gordon,Lacson at Loren dahil mahirap na nilang itumba sina Lim at Trillanes.Parang Ramon Magsaysay is my Guy and We Say Mabuhay!Tirahin ni Lim pailalim,linis naman si Trillanes.Ngayon nawalan na silang spoiler sa 2010 dahil talagang ipapakalburo na sina Lim at Trillanes.Mahinog man uli si Trillanes ay magbibilang na siya ng barya sa alkansya dahil milyones ang danyos perwesio ang babayaran niya sa hotel na sinira ng mga alipores ni Barias.Kaya sabi ni gen patola “They don’t call me Barias for nothing Trillanes,now you know the importance of baryas”.Kawawang Trillanes at Lim,magpapatayo sila ng hotel.
Anna: Ah but Florry, the chess tournament has just begun….
I hope you are right Anna and that their will be more “games” to be played and hopefully in another venue if possible right inside the home turf of the opponent and will end in her being checkmated.
the chess tournament has just begun…
Puro begun na lang ba?panahon pa ni Yamashita iyan,ah! begun ng begun wala namang ending.Kailan pa?nandoon na kahapon ang pagkakataon,hindi pinalagahan at begun na naman.
May bumabanggit pa duon sa kabilang thread ng C P P
Comrade Paciano Procopio
haaaaayyy buhaaaay, daig ng nagmumumog ang mga bagong gising
Isusuko lang pala ni Trillanes ang panininidigan niya ay nandamay pa.Sayang ang puwesto para kay Koko Pimentel ng dahil sa kanya.Binabawi ko na ang kandila Sonny Boy katulad ng pagbawi ko kay cayote gringo.
confirmed “Faeldon, ‘more’ Magdalo officers still missing
http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/storypage.aspx?StoryId=100928
Razon said they were also “accounting” the Magdalo officers’ military security escorts. He said the security escorts have become sympathetic to the Magdalo’s cause and joined the uprising on Thursday.
The police’s conclusion belied Armed Forces Chief of Staff Gen. Hermogenes Esperon Jr.’s statement that the security escorts, seen marching along with the renegade soldiers, were only following orders to secure the rebels.
Ellen,
Saw Sen. Trillanes and Gen. Lim on TV (CNN) at the O Hare airport lobby while waiting for my plane back home. Nabigla ako sa bilis ng pangyayari.
Buti at pinalaya ka and others….
Magbabasa muna ako…
I think its too early to talk about defeat when this may very well signal the beginning of something bigger. AdeBrux is right. The tournament has begun. Remember, Capt. Faeldon and some others are still out.
The Monday morning quarterbacking should take into consideration that Gen. Lim is a great strategist. He has said that this is the beginning, not the end. I would take his word for it.
maganda yang ginagawa natin cocoy, nalalaman natin ang kahinaan ng isang “Pilipino”
Pilipino daw ang mga lumusob sa Hotel sa Makati kahapon?
bumenta na ang mga ideyang ‘extremism’, wala lang sigurong maisip at mailagay na front page sa dyaryo o headline sa balita.
may naghalibawa pa ng WACO,Texas sa kabilang thread.
ay sus! napaglumaan na yan sa larangan ng post-modernism.
pati paba naman sa paghahalintulad ay kolonyal ang kaisipan?
mas maganda pa na isipin na lang ang kokolonyal, 💡
Sa Vietnam, maganda ang naituro nila sa larangan ng paglilinis ng mga kolonyal na kaisipan.
At hindi ito tinapos sa 24-Oras lamang.
Ask the French, Japanese and the Americans.
esprit de corp malayan race
“Apostol said the Philippine National Police (PNP), which sent an armored personnel carrier crashing into the hotel lobby, bears no responsibility because it was implementing a court order.
He was referring to the arrest order issued by a Makati court against Trillanes for contempt, when he and Brig. Gen. Danilo Lim walked out and proceeded to The Peninsula Manila.
“The police had to ram the APC into the hotel because it was serving an arrest order.”GMA News
***Serving an arrest order ;Philippine -style!
Anong susunod na kabanata? 1.There is a possibility that martial law will be declared in the future but will be short lived. 2. Continuation of corrupt practices. 3. The poor would become poorer, the middle class will become poor.The rich will become richer.The filipinos will laugh at their problems. 4.Senator Trillanes and Lim shall suffer,but the Lord will save them. 5. The wicked will not reign forever. 6. Gloria will not become Prime minister for life.7. Esperon will do a Musharraf. 8. Miriam Defensor will become the next Philippine President, She will restore mental hospital.
Mga kapwa ko pinoy! im enjoying reading all your blogs. natutuwa ako dahil may mga pilipino parin na totoong nagmamahal sa bayan na nakikita ang ginawa nila trillanes at lim ay hindi destabilization kundi SOUNDING THE ALARM! pra sa iba pa nating mga kababayan na nagtutulog tulugan.mahirap gisingin ang taong gisinga na. nakakalungkot naman pag may nababasa ka na, naturingang mga pilipino at kitang kita na lantaran na silang niloloko ng gobyerno,naghahanap ba ng ebidensya.at nakukuha pang papurihan ang mga ginawa ng PNP sa kanilang kapangahasan.alam ninyo, kung madali lang sa aming mga OFW na makarating dyan nung nananawagan sila sen.trillanes at gen.lim malamang napuno at umapaw ng OFW ang makati.kaya lang hindi nmin magawa bec.of the distance.pero naniniwala ako na hindi lang OFW ang pilipino sa pinas.marami dyan, gising na gising pero nagtutulog tulugan.we also condemned violence,ang panawagan ni trillanes at lim ay hindi pra gumawa ng violenteng hakbang kundi pag isahin ang iisang hinaing ng taong bayan.tama si yuko pag malayo ka sa bansa mo don mo mkikita ang tunay na estado ng ating bayan.don mo makikita na nakaka awa pla ang pilipinas lalong lalo na pag ito’y patuloy na pamumunuan ni Pang(g)ulong GMA.
I recommend watching the youtube interview of Alcuaz at the Inquirer site to clear up doubts on what Trillanes and Lim did yesterday. Maganda ang sinabi niya.
Tuloy ang laban hanggang matanggal ang kapit ni Dorobo sa upuan niya ngayon. Kunyari pa raw hindi naantig. Ang kapal!!!
Patalsikin na, NOW na!
Acer:
Let the creep declare Martial Law. Diyan siya tuluyang iiwan ng mga kano because it is something that the Americans will not tolerate even for the sake of palabas!!! Right now, the creep can claim that the Philippines is a demo-crazy to her heart’s desire. Wala namang naniniwala sa totoo lang.
Sabi ni Mr. Alcuaz, tuloy ang laban hanggang matanggal si Dorobo! Yehey!
Patalsikin na, NOW na!
there is a big difference between idealism and career
one is a person who barks the word of “president”
and the other usually waits for his/her payslip before she/he sings infront of karaoke.
One thing sure, na-tactic-ahan sila Trillanes, et al kasi talaga namang spark of the moment act ang nangyari. Iyong mga gustong sumali sa protest nila, naipit o hindi nakapasok to show support kaya ganoon na lang ang ginawang media blackout between 1 pm hanggang 3 pm nang magbigay kuno ng ultimatum ang military. Taragis puro si Apostol ang ini-interview sa mga radio. Laki siguro ng padulas!
Pero sabi nga ni Mr. Alcuaz, hindi dapat mawalan ng loob ang mga supporters ng Oust GMA movements sa Pilipinas and overseas. At least, mamo-monitor nila kung gaano na ngayon kalakas ang movement nila saka sila puputok ng husto. Hopefully, talagang all-Filipino movement na lang iyan at walang covert operations ng CIA, etc. na pinagsasabong ang mga pilipino.
Patalsikin na, NOW na!
Ano ba ang pinagkaiba ng Mendiola massacre 1987 at itong paninira ng mga pribadong ari-arian sa hotel sa Makati 2007?
Sa mga nangyari kahapon, tanong ko lang, May pag-asa pa ba ang ating bansa? Hanggang kailan ba dapat kaming mga taga-baryo, na umasa sa mga pagbabagong ninanais ng bawat Pilipino?
Ka Ellen, kahanga-hanga ang inyong tapang, subalit kahit anong tapang ng bawat isa sa atin ay walang halaga at lakas kung di magkakaisa ang bawat Pilipino. Ang salot sa bansa ay ang mga Politiko kabilang na ang mga magagaling nating abogado na gumagamit sa batas upang higit na maproteksyonan ang kani-kanila mga interes. (atorni Pundido at atorni Laosano) Kung titingnan nating ang hinaing ni Trillanes ay sya ring hinaing ng bawat Pilipino. Tuldukan na ang mga pangaabusong mga nasa pamahalaan. Ang Broadband, Cyber Ed, Transco at kung ano-ano pang mga eskandalo ay patuloy na namamayagpag sapagkat ang batas na kanilang ginawa ay syang sandata upang pangalagaan ang gutom na pagnanasa sa kayaman ng bansa. (kung mayron man)
MAY PAG-ASA PA BA? o hintaying na lang natin tuluyang malugmok ang ating bansa. MAY PAG-ASA PA BA? o hayaang nating patuloy na manaig ang ganid na interes ng mga politiko at iba pang mga taong ganid sa lahat ng bagay. MAY PAG-ASA PA BA? na maialis ng salot sa malakanyang?
KAY ELLEN, MAY PAG-ASA PA BA?
May mga nagtatanong bakit daw ang hilig nila sen.trillanes sa mga mamahaling hotel nagpupunta as thier refuge? kahapon naging maingat parin ang PNP sa knilang operation kasi baka may mga elitistang tao doon ang matamaan at mamatay.takot lang nilang bombahin ng reklamo ng mga elite group kung may namatay dong foreigner or mayayamang tao.pero subukan po ninyong papuntahin sila sen.tri at gen.lim sa squatter area panigurado pupulbusin ng militar ang lugar na yon.hindi nila panghihinayangang maka patay don ksi iisipin nila mga squatters lang un.wla silang magiging problema don.bayaran lang ng gobyerno ung mga namatayan.ayos na!ganyan ang katangian ng ating gobyerno.
“President Arroyo on Friday said the six-hour standoff between police and a group, led by Sen. Antonio Trillanes IV and Brig. Gen. Danilo Lim, at the Manila Peninsula Hotel in Makati City was not an act of heroism.
“What happened yesterday (Thursday) was not an act of heroes. It was plain defiance of the rule of law—from the walkout in the courtroom to the forced entry into a prestigious hotel,” the President said.
The pronouncement of the President coincided with the celebration of National Heroes Day.”ABS-CBN News On-Line
Gloria:Are these Acts of a Hero?
Credibility Gap: No previous president appears to have squandered the public’s trust more than Gloria has. After being installed as President after a popular “People Power” uprising in 2001, Gloria has gained a reputation for deviousness in her many political decisions. People consider her untrustworthy as evidenced by her plummeting public trust ratings.
Presidential Misconduct: The “Hello Garci” tapes clearly indicated her intervention in the election process to ensure her “victory” versus the popular FPJ. The recent bribery attempts of Governors and Congressmen demonstrate the brazen use of “cash power” in the highest corridors of power.
Abuse of Presidential Power: History may ultimately hold Gloria in the greatest contempt for expanding the powers of the presidency (like a Marcos’ cheap copycat). Her EO No.464 is a deliberate derogation of the legislative power to investigate. The extra-judicial killings remain unabated under her administration.
Litany of Scandals: Since the start of the GMA administration in January 2001, it has been one scandal after another…. the National Power Corp. (Napocor) -CPK-Kalayaan rehabilitation project , the race horse importation fiasco,the overpriced Diosdado Macapagal Boulevard exposé, misuse of the fertilizer funds, the Philippine Amusement and Gaming Corp. scandals,the jueteng scandals and many more. And now the ZTE-NBN scandal(“Buck off!”).
“…Gen. Lim is a great strategist”
Are you serious? Call him great if the stand-off is still on, millions flocked to Manila Pen, and gloria stepped down today.
But since those conditions did not happen…..
Kung sa mga tulad ni Gen Lim at trillanes pa kayo aasa, eh talagang gloria till 2010.
Ewan ko ba sa inyo, bakit di gawing over-all leader si Satur Ocampo in the oust-gloria movement? Or si Teddy Casiño?
Of course, to Gloria, it was not an act of heroism. But what right does she have to brand everyone wanting her to step down as rebels, terrorists, etc.
E siya, ano siya? Malinaw naman na criminal as a matter of fact as defined by the laws she has violated. Pati nga Constitution binastos niya!
Puede ba, Patalsikin na, NOW na?!!!
It is frustrating only a few number showed up and gave support to the initiative of Sen Trillanes and BGen Lim despite of the fact the right and opportune time is already at hand, but still our people let it slip away for another time. They seemed not really fed up yet of the piling scandal and anomalies perpetrated by gloria arroyo and her cabal and ready to suffer for another more years until they find it there is no more way out to escape the “charm” of the ever deceiving bogus president.
There were many times others said we should be positive. Does it include believing gloria arroyo will relinquish malakanyang and her bogus presidency after her cheated term in 2010?
hihimatayin ako at matutuyuan ng men’s!
If now isn’t the right time to show solidarity and act as one and fight to reclaim our trampled rights, WHEN?
Careful kayo sa pag-o-open ng mga links kung pula ang pangalan ng blogger lalo na kung hindi kakilala o kay iyong usual na papalit-palit ng pangalan pagkatapos na ma-ban. I found out na may kakabit na threat (cookies). Linis lang namang ng PC ang kailangan.
Just a reminder.
Ang Malakanyang ay pinakukutaan ng mga sindikato!
Kung anu man ang inilalabas nilang pahayag ay isang panggogoyo.
Bakit pinakikinggan pa yan?
Many people who criticize Trillanes and Lim(whether pro- or anti-Arroyo) do so because they lost. These people are probably the same bunch who will praise them to high heavens if ever, as a result of their actions, they succeeded in taking over Malacanang. As far as that aspect (i.e. losing or winning) is concerned, i’d react in the same way. That’s the Balimbing culture for you.
While Trillanes (and Lim) should be criticized for their Andres Bonifacio style rashness, i salute what they stand for and the fact that they took action on our behalf. That’s more than can be said for the vast majority who would have enjoyed the fruits of their victory. I just hope they’d pay more attention to the execution aspect next time.
Ellen,
Sorry to hear what happened, I just got back from a business trip in New York. You are one tough cookie, for you a full hand salute, to the other group, a double middle finger salute.
“but media as well has to know where to draw lines between what is genuine and what is crap.”
duren, there are two kinds of media in the philippine press. one is the paid media releasing only the byuti and pogi points of the bogus gloria and her cabal and the other is the likes of ellen who report the first hand news.
which one you like?
Magno:
Psycho-war ang ginawa. Siguro naman familiar ka diyan. Ang lakas ng amp ng putok na akala mo talagang may bakbakan na. Masarap marinig ang reaction noong mga nasa loob when the military was staging their acts na may pagulong-gulong pa iyong mga binayarang sundalo (overtime fees daw malaki!) at mga pulis tapos sinabayan pa ng isang katutak na mga humvees. Kahit sino matatakot diyan kahit siguro sundalo maliban na lang siguro kung pinalaki silang walang takot sa kamatayan.
Nakakalungkot pero hindi dahilan para mawalan ng pag-asa sabi ng isang kaibigan kong pilipino dito na ngitngit na ngitngit din. Hangga’t may lumalaban daw, huwag mawawalan ng pag-asa. Tama si Mr. Alcuaz, hindi matatahimik ang rehimen ni Dorobo hangga’t di siya bumaba kahit patayin nila lahat ang mga lumalabang mga pilipino!
Patalsikin na, NOW na!
Ellen all i can say is that Gen. Lim drove the final nail in his coffin. Sana hinintay na lang nya ang 2 years na prescription doon sa unang kaso nila para technically absuelto na kung hindi ma arraigned. Maybe there’s a grand plan still to come, ewan. Pero kung titingnan mo naman sa kabilang view ito ay parang Trojan Horse. The event itself will be a catalyst to bring in the forces closer to the objective then boom! Right now everything is still fluid, ang mga opisyalis pwedeng mag-deny ng involvement tapos 11th hour consolidate. Mass action or protest will be the cover kaya ang AFP/PNP ay ganun na lang mag bantay na walang mag converge upang bumuo ng critical mass.Sabi nga ni Gringo noon the best way to be invisible is to be visible. Kaya the very same forces you call to insulate will be the same forces to deliver the blow. If I’m wrong and based on popular belief na spontaneous event lang ito out of the magdalo’s frustration sa sistema tapos nag snow ball effect capping the Pen press con, well itong si trillanes and company ay masisi ko. Tulad ng mga comments earlier, they are not tacticians much less of a strategist.They disappoint me and if that’s the way they plan an operation, naku between west point and pma grads, matapang pa yata ang cafgu doon sa field kapagka nag harass ang npa ay nakakalaban pa ng sabayan maski garand lang ang dala.Thanks.
Mrivera:
I share your opinion 100%.
People cannot expect a planned time and place the people concerned must be ready to take the initiative whenever it arises. Lets face the Truth, both Gen.Lim & Sen.Trillanes were let down by the so called 70% of Manila population who say they want this woman out. They missed their chance, so let them suffer further. But don’t blame these two brave men.
I heard a woman being interviewed on television say “It was overkill”, of course it was because it was a government in panic mode.
wwnl,
right! it was an overkill. the way the blind, deaf and mute soldiers and police destroyed the hotel’s doors and shooting all around as evidenced by the scattered damaged furnishings inside and out.
a clear evidence of a regime in panic!
“a clear PROOF of a regime in panic!”
Arroyo Clark visit off over bad weather, not failed siege
Helen, takot rin ba siya na ma-RM?
Pupunta ba siya ng NZ?
“naku between west point and pma grads, matapang pa yata ang cafgu doon sa field kapagka nag harass ang npa ay nakakalaban pa ng sabayan maski garand lang ang dala”
i agree. parang yung mga sumisigaw ng ‘patalsikin si gloria’ sa blog na ito – nasa comfort overseas. mas matatapang yung mga nandito at sinisigaw yun, lalo na kung sinisigaw katabi nina trillanes at gen. lim!
Guys have u heard the news over GMA7? ten army trucks loaded with soldiers fr.the military camp in Nueva Ecija arrived at camp crame(Esperon).Malacanang put fire truck,barbed wire & container van in front of malacanang palace (GMA).PNP deploy 1000 additional police officer in metro manila (Razon). akala ko ba everything is under government control na! e bakit over acting prin yata ang ating pangulo,AFP & PNP.ano pa ba ang kinatatakutan ng mga ito. nakakulong na nga ang dalawang bayani. cguro nkaka amoy na sila na meron ng mga unit sa loob ng AFP na hindi na panig sa knila. ang kapulisan, wag na nting intindihin yan, wla talaga tyong maasahan sa mga yaan.konting padulas lang sa mga yan mag iiba na ang prinsipyo ng mga yan. Sa mga natitira pang mga matitino at nagmamahal sa bayang mga sundalo sa AFP nananawagan kami sa inyo ang taong bayan hindi pra gumawa ng dahas kundi makiisa kayo pra sa kapakanan ng nakakararami at hindi ng iilan laman. Umaasa kami sa Ating Dios pangalawa sa inyo na tutulong pra maging maasyos ang ating bansa.
Sabi nga ni Gen. Lim, “The die is cast.” May kasunod pa iyan pihado. Just wait and see kung ayaw pa ng marami na kumilos na. Naghihintay pang magutom nang husto!
Matagal ng gutom ang mga tao at nasanay na sila,kaya mahirap ng umasa na may kasunod pang mangyayari,Sina Trillanes at Lim ay masuwerte sila kung masisilayan pa sila ng sikat ng araw sa bartolina.sabihin pa ninyong may pag-asa pa dahil ang akala ninyo ay nakatakas si Capt.Faeldon.Sana nga ganon ang nagyari sa kanya na nakatakas siya.Pero mahirap paniwalaan na makatakas sa ganoong situation saan naman siya lulusot doon?Palagay ko ay mawawala na ng parang bula si Faeldon.Sino pa ang aasahan sa militar na mag-alsa muli? Sina Querubin at Gen.Miranda?Baka isang battalyon na ang mga military police na magbabatay doon,o baka pinaghiwa-hiwalay na ang mga iyon at wala na silang kumyonikasyon sa stockade nila.Baka nga poposasan na ang mga iyon sa tuwing may kangaroo hearing sila at sa tuwing ilalabas sila,o baka sa tuwing pupunta sa kubeta ang mga iyon ay may MP na tiga bukas ng zipper nila at ang gagawing dahilan ay security procedure.
Hindi na ako umaasa na maulit pang muli na may mag-aalsa sa military.Iyong mga MP nila Trillanes na kumampi sa kanila ay gagawing silang example ni Esperon para hindi sila pamarisan ng nagbabalak pang magtraydor sa kanya.Baka itinali na sa langaman ang mga iyon ng hubo’t hubad sa mainit na araw na tanghaling tapat.Biruin mong perwesyo ang ginawa nina gen.Lim at Trillanes doon sa mga MP na nahikayat nila.Kawawa na naman ang mga pamilya nila.Kaya hindi ako bilib kina Trillanes at Lim.Susuko lang pala.Si Ninoy hindi sundalo ay tinangap niya ang kanyang kapalaran dahil sa kanyang paninindigan.Ang mga magigiting na sundalo ay nanaisin pa nilang mamatay kesa susuko sa kaaway,kaya maraming sundalo ang namatay sa Vietnam dahil sila mismo sa platton ay nagbabarilan na, kung nagipit na sila, kesa sa susuko pa sila.Ngayon ano ang sasabihin ni Trillanes para manghikayat muli,sa palagay n’yo ba ay may mahikayat pa siya.He is a shame in history next to Honasan.
As Gen Lim said, “the die is cast.”
It’s not over.
It is always easy to criticize the moves of Trillanes and Lim… in hindsight! The people gloating over the failed uprising(?) … had done so after the fact… that is the reason why they are now taunting the rest of the anti-establishment in this forum… hindi ganyan ang tono nila at the height of the incident… kasi hindi pa nila alam kung ano ang mangyayari… nagkaroon na lang ng lakas nang loob umalipusta kina Trillanes at Lim dahil nakalusot na naman si bulilit…
Of course, you would expect the US to declare support for the current administration ( at 5pm… again after the fact )… what do these stupid people expect the US to say? … remember that most of the information on corruptions of the GMA administration discreetly came from the US … that’s how much the US supports GMA…
Also, it will be good for these people to look back in history on what happened to “collaborators” right after the battle is won…
i am sure that they simply think that yesterday incident is the last attempt to change the regime…
but then again, if one has nothing else to lose and everything to gain, why not dare ?
Define overkill?
Camp Cawacawa
Bicutan Siege
The dawn of August 28,1987
“magkamag-anak” ba sina Panfilo at Carmina?
Babangaon kaya ang bangkay ni General Batalla at Colonel Abendan?
Kamusta ka na Sargeant Esguerra?
Mas masarap ang “selective” ice cream.
…samantala
11 killed, 13 wounded in Sulu clashes Last updated 04:51pm Mla time 11/30/2007
“Please, huwag nang magpasa pa ng mga wrong information here. Hindi naman mangmang ang mga bloggers dito.”
MULA SA ISANG NEWS ITEM:
Coup leaders allowed guests at the hotel to leave after initially denying them the chance to go. The group of about 30 soldiers and their supporters barricaded themselves in a second-floor conference room from where they broadcast live their demands on national television. Arroyo appeared on television shortly afterwards to assure people she was in control and commanded the army’s loyalty.
“Sen. Miriam Defensor-Santiago Friday filed an urgent resolution asking punitive action against Trillanes for leading the power grab Thursday at the Manila Peninsula Hotel in Makati.”GMA NEWS
For once,I agree with Lady Miriam.Senator Trillanes is not above the law!
BUT,may I ask Senator Miria DefensorSantiago ,How about GLORIA?
“No man (or woman) is above the law and no man is below it; nor do we ask any man’s permission when we ask him to obey it. Theodore Roosevelt”
How could so many scandals of an elected(?) president and her cadre remain unexplained, unchallenged, and unpunished? When? Probably never.
We’re not talking mistakes, here. We’re not talking poor judgment or failed policies. We’re not talking politics as usual, with its underhanded array of pork and perks. But we are talking about very serious violations of the public trust, and very possibly the law, perpetrated by the elected(?) leader of this nation and her handlers.
Even more amazingly, we are talking about the shameful reality that not a single one of these offenses has been investigated by a truly independent, non-political, neutral commission, armed with subpoena powers and adequate funding, and answerable ONLY to the people of Philippines. Not a single one.
What ever happened to the investigation of:
* The National Power Corp. (Napocor) -CPK-Kalayaan rehabilitation project.
* The race horse importation fiasco.
* The overpriced Diosdado Macapagal Boulevard exposé.
* Misuse of the fertilizer funds,
* The Philippine Amusement and Gaming Corp. scandals.
* The jueteng scandals.
* the ZTE-NBN scandal(“Buck off!”).
* The Bribery of Governors and Congressmen in Malacanang.
* The MOTHER of ALL SCANDALS :THE HELLO GARCI Mega Scandal that influenced the last Presidential elections.
* The Extra-Judicial Killings of Activists as reported by the United Nations special raporteur on human rights.
* And many more…
What’s left to be said? Not very much. Gloria Pidal has had a free pass to do as she pleased since 2001.She and her political operators have not been held accountable for any crime against the people of this country. Gloria is above the law.Why?
politics is really not easy.trillanes and lim called for a withdrawal of support, what they got in this blog is withdrawal of support for them from some.i hope that those who withdrew suppport for trillanes and company will not give support to gma or that they actually are supporters within their hearts.for me no amount of mistake from gma’s opposition will be enough for gma to gain my support no matter how small that may be compare to others.things that happen in pinas for better or for worse is the leader’s responsibility.that trillanes and lim gambled is understandable considering the situation they are in.being voted in office and not allowed to do the duties associated with the position is enough to disorient the best of people.
CVJ says,
While Trillanes (and Lim) should be criticized for their Andres Bonifacio style rashness, i salute what they stand for and the fact that they took action on our behalf. That’s more than can be said for the vast majority who would have enjoyed the fruits of their victory. I just hope they’d pay more attention to the execution aspect next time.
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Amen.
I’m not a bit disappointed with the ‘failure’ of Gen. Lim, Sen. Trillanes, et al. While politicians, young and old, are waiting for 2010, these “rebels” did the best they could to effect change in this ‘hindi-malunok’ leadership of Gloria.
Kung hindi kikilos ngayon, kailan pa? Mas bilib ako sa inyo ngayon mga tunay na kawal ng bansa.
Nice take, norpil.
good you are back and welcome chi.a lot of people missed you here.
ass-tiris,
alam mo, pamilyar sa akin ang mga bagsak ng pananalita mo lalo’t higit ang mga pasarkastiko mong pagbibitiw ng mapaklang panlalait sa mga kontra sa ninang mong ‘ika mo ay nagpapaganda ng eeeeeeeeeeeeekkonomiya ng bansang kahit dulo ng balahibo sa kuyukot naming mga pobre ay hindi maramdaman bagkus ay para kaming lalong sinasakal sa paghihigpit ng sinturon, hindi sa baywang kundi sa leeg na upang ang dating isang basong tubig ay dalawa o tatlong patak ang lalagukin at ang pagkain ay kalahating sakol na lamang ang pagkakasyahing lululunin.
maganda nga ang takbo ng eeeeeeeeeeeekkonomiyang ipinagmamalaki ng makapal ang mukhang si gloria subalit ito ay ninanamnam lamang at tinatamasa ng mga katulad n’yong ayaw at hindi gustong idilat ang mga mata sa katotohanan. masaya kayo habang ang mga nagdarahop ninyong kababayan ay nakikipag-agawan sa mga aso’t pusa sa mga tirang pagkaing kinakalkal sa basurahan habang ang mga ganid na alipores ng ganid ding si gloria ay nagpapakabundat sa kabusugan dulot ng paldo paldong salaping mula sa kabang bayan!
dakila ang mga katulad ninyo subalit nakakatakot kapag dumami pa ang inyong lahi!
ikaw na nga siguro ‘yung hindi dito hindi doon na taong binabanggit ko.
kahit itanong mo kay anthony scalia!
Ang sa akin lang, ay dapat ay malaman na nila Trillanes at ating magigiting na sundalo na hindi na pwede ang ‘withdrawal of support’ lang. Ang dapat ay isang planado at matatag na PAKIKIPAGLABAN! Gloria and her cabals are instruments of the devil kaya dapat na mas mabangis din ang pagtutunggali. Mahirap mang tanggapin, ngunit sa palagay ko ay dapat na gawing pakikipaglaban ay samahan ng dahas. It should really be an armed rebellion headed by the true soldiers of the Filipino people. Yung tipong may laban talaga at talagang PALABAN ang dating, Patay kung patay! And they should not siege a hotel…but MALACAñANG!!! That is my opinion.
Pansin nyo ba na PNP na lang ang hawak ni Gloria? Takot siyang gamitin ang grupo ng AFP dahil di sila sigurado kung kakampi pa nila. PNP vs. AFP forces! Ang the AFP military does not agree that the PNP mishandle their comrades just like that. Kung darating ang oras na magkaroon ng lababan, kanino tayo kakampi? The Good Forces, of course!
A lot has been said but after sifting through the details, I would say, something big will happen soon. And I like the possible scenario.
It seems that the True Soldiers of the People will indeed make good of their Oath to defend the People and the State.
They really have reason to panic.
Have a pleasant weekend everyone.
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Congratulations, Sen. Trillanes and B/Gen Danny Lim!
Thank you very much for giving us hope.
ang bawat isa ay may karapatan sa kanyang opinyon. subalit ang paglait at pagmaliit sa ginawang pagsuko nina AT4 at bgen lim ay para na ring paglait kay ellen na siyang naroon, nakakaalam at nakaranas ng tunay na nangyari gayundinsa naging desisyon ng dalawa.
chi, tagal mong nawala.
bakasyon grande?
Somebody said that now Glo has the perfect excuse for martial law.
If she calls out the military after declaring martial law, sino ang mag-re-responde? Ang marines? Parang niregaluhan niya si General Miranda and Colonel Querubin. Are we sure the marines will not spring out their leaders?
If she calls out the shock troops – the Scout Rangers, are we sure the rangers will not spring out Danny Lim?
So what will you have? Martial rule enforced by the PNP? Kaya ba ng PNP ang mga kawal? Ano ang combat experience ng PNP? Mang-gulpi ng squatter sa demolition?
So think before you gloat. Were they trying to force her hand?
atty,
dahan dahan naman. masakit ang tama doon sa mga nagmamagaling na wala namang alam tungkol sa ipinangangalandakan.
mas maganda nga kung magdeklara ng martial law si gloria. every soldier will have an excuse to shoot yagbol-less officers like esPWEron and his ilk.
baka ito nga ang hinihintay nila!
Apparently, I am right. Indirectly, Bosworth is short of criticizing the unano. Even he now says Filipinos should solve their domestic problems among themselves. I just watched him being interviewed on BBC. America has too much problems of its own to be bothered with other problems right now that do not at all have any bearing on them.
In short, makikialam lang ang mga kanuto if their interests in the Philippines will be adversely affected. Otherwise, no dice. Kaya iyong ungas, trying hard to elevate Philippine problems as something that Americans likewise should worry about. Sabi nga ng mother kong kana (Ilocana! :-P), anong pakialam niya sa problema ng mga pilipino. Wala namang may problema sa mga kamag-anak niya sa Ilocos. Worry lang niya kung nalibing na ang pinsan niya!
Parang go-signal ang sinabi ni Bosworth. Puede nang ibagsak si Gloria. Huwag nang hintayin ang mga kano! Punong-puno na sila sa mga kabulastugan ng dugong asong nakaupo!!!
Sa mga rangu-gu, naaalala pa ba ninyo ang 1989 coup ni Gringo? Where a brother (Biazon side, I believe) did not know that he shot and killed his brother (Gringo side)?
The news stories then said naka-chinelas nga lang si Biazon and white socks, when he directed operations against Gringo in Camp Aguinaldo.
Kung magputukan man, can Esperon do a Biazon? May yag-balls ba si Esperon kapag naharap kay General Miranda or Colonel Querubin? Kaya ba nilang ipagtanggol ang babae sa Pasig, at ang baboy?
Police v. Scout Ranger? Parang Mike Tyson v. Rene Requiestas yan.
BTW, it’s my first time seeing the blog host “in person” at an interview with ANC’s Primenews.
Iba talaga gumalaw at magsalita ang tutoong tao.
Relax na relax lang.
Magno,
I saw additional footages today. Maraming pumuntang supporters. Problema, hindi makapasok tapos tinakot ng barilan na naka-amplify pa.
Parang talagang may nagbarilan kaya nga I’m waiting for the narration of Ellen on what happened inside nang nagpapaputok iyong mga walang yagbols na mga sangganong inarkila yata at binihisan ng uniporme ng sundalo. Hindi ipinapakita sa TV lalo na kung katulad dito sa Japan na pam-flash news lang at limited ang oras at pinipili lang ang ipinapakita sa TV pero tindi ng ginawang assault doon sa hotel ng mga sanggano.
Nakakahiya!!! Kahawig iyong WACO incident nang lusubin ng FBI ang isang fanatiko. Na-condemn iyon sa totoo lang.
Buti na lang may follow rallies itong araw na ito sa Pilipinas. Nakita ng mga taga-ibang bansa ang unpopularity ni Dorobo.
Kaya, tuloy ang laban. Huwag kayong makikinig doon sa mga pinadulasan!!!
…may follow up rallies….
“Dissent without action is consent,” Lim told the nation. He could be right, but even if we were to take him at his word, we still need to ask: Is “action” necessarily defined in terms of violence? That way lies mass suicide. – PDI, EDITORIAL “Suicide,” 30 Nov. 2007
Well, I sure would like to see a list of instances wherein gang-rapists have been stopped on their rampaging tracks with “a civilized dialogue?”
I am not that old to know first-hand about the Japanese occupation in WWII, but how big the difference is there really between the Japanese Imperial forces invading the Philippines, and Mrs. Gloria Arroyo crawling up to Malacanang under the voice of “Garci” and by the guns under the belt of Mr. Hermogenes “Espie” Esperon?
Mrs. Gloria Macapagal Arroyo buttressed by the mercenaries under Mr. Esperon and of course the brown-bags happy-gangs, thanks to the overflowing ZTE and NBN deal of the century, have exhibited beyond doubt that any action taken against her – rallies, editorials, blogs, impeachment attempts, very inept coup attempts – will not budge. Are we then to accept that the alternatives left for us are: “‘mass surrender” of everything we believe to be right and true, let Mrs. Arroyo and Mr. Jose Pidal do their worst, this time, with Erap Estrada in his new supporting role? Or, do something together so disgruntled soldiers and discarded vice presidents need not encourage us to commit “mass suicide?” Like, go on massive migration so GMA and her generals would look like jerks, kakalog kalog in a country that more than 75% of the people have kakalog-kalog na sikmura and those who are not starving, eh kakalog-kalog naman ang utak at magapok na paninindigan?
“Peacefully” survive without a shred of dignity? Or…?
Digressing – am not even a good chess player, but I believe sacrificing a rook or a night so the troops can move freely to surround the “tiny queen” is as good as any move for a checkmate?
Iyong mga reklamador na wala namang ginagawa even in their own realms, puede ba tumahimik na lang? OK, hindi sila nagtagumpay na matanggal si Pandak ngayon, but admit it, may nangyari—the die was cast!!!
Ngayon, taumbayan na ang magpatuloy ng ginawa nina Trillanes at Gen. Lim. Sabi ng ni Bosworth, problema ng Pilipinas iyan, pilipino ang dapat na maglutas!!! Sira na si Unano kaya hindi iyan makaka-declare ng Martial Law. Diyan siya babanatan ng US no doubt.
Manila Bay Watch: Another ‘coup’ in Manila but not a coup d’état
Schumey has a good analysis of the standoff in his blog http://www.schumey.blogspot.com/ and I think he is right. Indeed, the Lim-Trillanes venture could be a trial balloon test.
In the same vein, I believe the curfew in Manila is also a trial baloon test for the Arroyo govt.
Each side is testing the other and see how far they could go.
Esperon of course has the upper hand here — he’s got Gloria by his side and the materiel.
Filipinos all over the world should lambast the govt for imposing curfew in Manila even if only to build pressure against the bogus president and to keep prancing Esperon on his tiny lil toes.
Ellen, you have once more shown the stern stuff you are made of, heartfelt congratulations!
DinaPinoy: Indeed you are true to your name..hindi na pinoy? Kano ka na ba? Malungkot isipin pero I guess..it is possible in this free world…
To the goriest of all in this world…Hell to the Chief! Isugba sa impierno ang mga kalag ninyo!
Senator Trillanes and Gen. Danny Lim: May your tribe increase..We salute you and we pray for you. Ang sabi nga: more things are wrought by prayers than this world dream of. The impossible dream as some here said..yes, impossible it may seem.. but there are those who still believe and dream of this impossible dream..and this is the quest to follow the star no matter how hopeless, no matter
how far…keep on going..why should gloria be glorified?
Here is another song..to think about..a song that I suppose Sen. Trillanes and Gen. Lim keep in their hearts…”I will be true, for there are those who trusts me..I will be pure for there are those who care..I will be brave for there are those who dare..I will be strong for I know my weakness..”
I learned this song..(though I forgot many lines) many moons ago, noong bata ba si Sabel..pero kailangan natin sa isat isa ang maalaala ang sinasabi dito..Our prayers are for you both..
I salute Sen Trillanes, gen Lim and the rest of magdalo group!!!!! kahit ano pa ang sabihin ng iba against them, para sakin mas lalo lang ako naging proud sa kanila, hindi katulad ng mga pulitikong yan na puro lang salita wala namang binatbat, dahil pangsariling interest lang naman nila ang iniisip nila.
Rose,
Di ko nga matanggap na yung mga taong maka-Gloria ay tunay na Pilipino pa. Bulag at bingi na yata sila sa tunay na kalagayan ng bansang Pilipinas. The acts of Gloria are only for her and her cabals interests and not really for the country. Gusto lang nila talaga pagsamatalahan ang bayang Pilipinas. And some people are knowingly or unknowingly being fooled by these crooks. Pilipinas, nasadlak ka nga sa dusa! We need more people of the likes of Trillanes and Danny Lim to save our beloved country!
Luz: malungkot talaga..I guess their love and feelings for the Philippines ends when the filling of their pockets begins…
gilbertyaptan: “Ma isog gid ang Antiquenos”..taga Antique ka ano? You speak like one..wara ti talawit sa mga Antiqueno…that I know..
Chi: welcome back..looking forward to meeting you..
“Sen. Trillanes was manhandled last night. He was taken in. He was hit by a fist blow to his chest. He was elbowed”
Most police videos abroad will show a suspect pinned down on the ground with 2 or 3 police officers on top of the suspect. It is not even called police brutality.
Fist blow and elbow equals brutality? That is an exaggeration.
“We need more people of the likes of Trillanes and Danny Lim to save our beloved country!”
On the contrary, the country needs a leader who can respect the constitution and avoid extrajudicial means of removing a president. There is 2010 presidential election which is not that far. The masses are fed up with removing the president by force even if that president has tainted the 2004 election. The silent majority didn’t want military solution anymore. The military always get what they wanted in the process.
I feel for Trillanes and Lim and the rest. The crowd they expected didn’t or couln’t come. I saw it in both their faces. The look of sadness, of having been somehow left alone to fight what should have been the people’s fight.
Sure, maybe there was a lack of more refined planning and preparation and coordination. But what they accomplished was to further project to the whole country and the world the many humongous crimes of this administration. Even if only for that, they deserve our gratitude.
This is not the end. The problem festers.
Who was that police official who was pulling Senator Trillanes by the front of his pants while moving towards the bus? Trillanes was already cuffed behind and with two men already holding his arms back. Why did that police official still have to drag Trillanes by his belt towards the bus? Like it was intended to humiliate the senator… make him look like a common criminal.
That scene was hard to take. It won’t sit well with the 11 million who voted for him. And that includes his supporters inside the military.
11/30/07
The Filipinos, can talk, lament, cry from what happened in Makati, but if the people do not have the means to fight back Gloria Arroyo and Assperson with the same bullets, armored tanks, holicopter plane, it will always be a one sided scenario in the theatre. Who is going to fight for the oppressed Pinoys? Ramos, Enrile, Mariam Defensor Santiago? They are mostly after their pockets. To protect Gloria after all her misgivings is criminal itself. Maybe, for those people who live abroad should approach their Congressmen relentlessly to stop this insane Gloria otherwise no more armored tanks and helicopter from the U.S.
“police official still have to drag Trillanes by his belt towards the bus? Like it was intended to humiliate the senator… make him look like a common criminal.”
Trillanes sworn as senator under oath to follow the constitution. And yet he violated the constitution by advocating removal of president by extrajudicial means. He betrayed the vote of the people who elected him into office to abide by the constitution. A thief under common law is common criminal. A senator who violated the highest law of the land is treason.
Dandaw said, “The Filipinos, can talk, lament, cry from what happened in Makati, but if the people do not have the means to fight back Gloria Arroyo and Assperson with the same bullets, armored tanks, holicopter plane, it will always be a one sided scenario in the theatre. Who is going to fight for the oppressed Pinoys? Ramos, Enrile, Mariam Defensor Santiago?”
The constitution is very clear as to the answer. We, the people is the answer. On 2010, we have the right to choose the next president and certainly it will not be Gloria Macapagal Arroyo. That being the case, the people have to vote wisely and concentrate on the right candidate so corrupt presidents are not repeated again and again.
Many times, we fool ourselves believing in the sanctity of instruments (e.g., consitution, laws) and institutions (judiciary, police). But our leaders can always break these with impunity. Voting leaders in (or out) may be an answer, but definitely it’s NOT a guarantee.
Take Gloria’s (bogus) presidency as a test case. I don’t think she got the people’s votes, or mandate. In 2010, my vote may be wasted again if she or another cheat does a “Hello Garci.” I’d rather take Gloria out now than wait for 3 years to exercise my power to vote.
“Voting leaders in (or out) may be an answer, but definitely it’s NOT a guarantee. ”
That is correct. The guarantee is the active constituents that put the congressmen who can (1) change the law or rules, (2) impeach the president, (3) alter the form of government, (4) approve the budget, or (5) change any of its institution (judiciary). The constituents can, at any time recall their congressmen (conniving with the Palace) as provided in the local government code. The base of Arroyo’s power now is congress which can kill any impeachment. A strong congress (not bought by pork barrel) is the badly needed insurance against a corrupt president.
hawaiianguy on, “Take Gloria’s (bogus) presidency as a test case. I don’t think she got the people’s votes, or mandate”
In that case, you are against the Comelec, the Supreme Court and all the international governments that recognized the President of the Republic of Philippines.
Against the comelec, absolutely yes. The SC is slowly eroding, that began during Davide’s time. Hope it can still recover and stand against Gloria’s bogus regime. For the international governments, I don’t care if they recognize Gloria or not. They have their own business.
The chain of command works if you have a legitimate president. Gloria arroyo was not elected by the people.She was intalled in her position now by cheating. Esperon is one of those who cheated for her.
They were the ones who bastardized the constitution.
Hi Ellen,
You do your “beat” very well.
Halong and God bless.
“international governments that recognized the President of the Republic of Philippines” is not quiet telling the truth is it, the UN has just reported that as far as human rights are concerned Arroyo, mr arseperon and their rotten corrupt lying administration are morally bankrupt.
Is the UM internationally enough for you?
UN internationally enough – sorry
With over 30 huge scams under Arroyo’s watch nobody, just nobody can successfully defend her administration, they are an absolute disgrace, all of them bar none.
hindi naman masamang tao ang grupo nila Trillanes kong wala bang ibang tao doon di tapos na si Gloria niyo. kong inisip niyang mang hostage ng mga tao sa pen hindi sana sila sumuko. kasama nila ang dalawang bishop, guingona, mga media sa loob ng pen… kayong maka arroyo darating ang araw bibitayin ng patiwarik yang amo niyo at duduraan ng dumadaang mga tao na pinahirapan at inapi niya.
BTW, Ellen, anong ginawa ng mga nasa loob when the military started firing at them in full battle gear and war tanks (humvees)? Iyong sound kasi parang nagbarilan e.
ellen, thanks God for coming out safe and sound after all the overkill had been committed by the gloria alipores.
Rose, that’s exactly what Trillanes said before he was whisked away. Now, it is up to the Filipinos to protect him from the likes of Brenda Santiago who is initiating removal of Trillanes from the Senate even before they honor the votes of those who voted for him by depriving him of his right represent even just the 11M Filipinos who voted for him.
Nasaan na iyong 11M na bumoto sa kaniya?
…right to represent…
Idol Sen. Trillanes at Gen. Lim saludo po ako sa inyong katapangan upang pangunahan at ipahayag sa mga mamayanan ang inyong mga saloobin at ganoon din sa inyong mga kasamahan. Dahil doon nabuksan ang aking natutulog na kaisipan na dapat ay ipahayag o ipaglaban ang hinanakit sa kinakaukulan o namumuno sa bayang Pilipinas.
Tama na po, Gutom na po kami sa sobrang kahirapan sa Pilipinas. “UMALIS NA KAYO SA PWESTO PEKENG PANGULO NG PILIPINAS UPANG MAGKAISA NA ANG SAMBAYANANG PILIPINO.”
No man (or woman) is above the law and no man is below it; nor do we ask any man’s permission when we ask him to obey it. Theodore Roosevelt
How could so many scandals of an elected(?) president and her cadre remain unexplained, unchallenged, and unpunished? When? Probably never.
Come to think of it, but all these showing off by the military is probably just a cover up of the real state of the AFP with a lot many of the soldiers in fact now starting to wake up from their deep slumber, and reason I guess for the plan to hire new recruits according to my source in the government. But at the rate they are going, baka mapugutan na silang lahat ng ulo. Buti na lang nga iyong isang namumugot ng ulo, nasabugan na ng bomba!
Mabuhay ka Trillanes, Gen. Lim, et al! Pihadong nanginginig na ang tumbong ni Dorobo at mga galamay niya. Tignan mo naman ang paranoia!
Patalsikin na, NOW na!
HG: For the international governments, I don’t care if they recognize Gloria or not. They have their own business.
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It is more than just a business, HG. As what a Japanese parliamentarian told us when we approached her to recommend to the Japanese government to stop recognizing the present Philippine government and stop aids to the Philippines, recognizing or not recognizing the Philippine government in fact depends on the Filipino people. Japan will stop recognizing the GMA government if the Filipinos themselves are able to prove without any doubt that it is illegal/illegitimate.
Meanwhile, all they can do is try to sanction an embargo if the present dispensation proves to be corrupt and cannot be trusted with such funds as the ODA, especially if Filipinos can prove that they are being used to oppress and even kill Filipino dissidents.
Logical? You bet, it is.
Trillanes and Lim’s actions is going to be classified as treason since it didn’t succeed…had it succeeded , it will be called a revolution; they wil be heroes and GMA and her cohorts wil be villains! But since, as of this time, GMA is still at helm, expect Trillanes and Lim to be painted as villians… being pelted by insults and ridicules by GMA’s well entrenched political and military allies…
In the same manner, GMA’s action behind Erap’s back before 2001 is technically treason but since they succeeded in toppling Erap, then it is not treason anymore…
That is the reality… The world is not fair to everyone… The only thing certain will always be existence of victors and vanguished. News and, later on, history will always be written in the point of view of the victors…
However, there will people who will believe that it is far better dying standing up than living kneeling down and the venue for a peaceful transition is no longer there…
Treason? Bakit legal ba si Gloria? The two men did not betray their country and people. In fact, they did what they did was right for country and people. Sedition, baka pa! But then, after the idiot is gone, then, they can have the chance to redeem their name.
The reality is Gloria is still there enjoying robbing and thieving from the Filipinos. Now, it is up to them to boot her out. Filipinos do not have to be saddled with this crook and her minions!
On your mark, get set, now ready?……
Patalsikin na, NOW na!
…their names!….
Why the defeatist attitude? I cannot understand this.
Tuloy ang laban dapat! Pag may humirit laban dito, ibig sabihin brigada ng unano iyan!!!
Patalsikin na, NOW na!
Yuko…
As I mentioned, there will always be victors and vanguished… and also think of it this way; A man is a terrorist to some but is a freedom fighter to another … it simply depends on who is at helm…
Do you know the former Prime Minister of Israel , Menachem Begin, used to blow up hotels, killing innocent civilians… when they were fighting for an independent Jewish nation in British ruled Palestine in the early part of the 20th century?
GMA ought to know that desperation begets violent actions… Filipinos have no record of killing sitting presidents… yet… tick… tock… tick… tock…
I wonder if those police officers who dragged and pulled Senator Trillanes in the manner they did would have handled the likes of Senator Enrile in similar fashion in a similar situation.
aside from sen trillanes, former vp guingona, gen lim, and the makati pen 50 saludo ako sa inyo. kayo na may prinsipiyo at may pinaninindigan para sa bayan.
at sa iyo rin ellen saludo ako sa iyo. may matatag kang paninindigan. marunong lumaban sa tamang paglaban. idol kita ellen ( napanuod ko ‘yong interview mo 24 horas ng hindi ka pumayag na mapusasan}.
PD: A man is a terrorist to some but is a freedom fighter to another …
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Yup, I know. As they say, “To the victor belongs the spoils,”but the truth is there is no victory gained yet, even by either side. Kaya nga paranoid ang dating ng mga tuta ni Dorobo.
But let us not be sidetracked by publicity by the corrupt administration now calling Trillanes and Lim as terrorists. To 11M Filipinos, at least, Trillanes is a hero.
Still, the case is not treason, but more seditious in nature if it can be proven that they were armed and fought hard with the sangganos of the PNP/AFP. Lumalabas lang silang ulol!
I’m actually not impressed, for over here, we have a better way of apprehending criminals. The more elitist Japanese police in fact did not do the same barbaric acts that we witnessed on TV when the military backed police forced a humvee inside Peninsula Hotel or riddling the hotel with gunshots to frighten even those outside of the hotel when they apprehended the members of Aum, the terrorist organization responsible for instance for the Sarin attack at the Tokyo Metro over ten years ago. Sabi nga, dito may finesse.
For me, what is more realistic is that Gloria Dorobo is a criminal! It should be inculcated in every decent Filipino’s mind.
Here’s a good quote, “In war, whichever side may call itself the victor, there are no winners, but all are losers.”… Neville Chamberlain.
tikbalang,
Wag mo naman solohin dahil dito sa barangay namin idol din namin sina SENATOR Sonny Trillanes at GENERAL Danny Lim.
As for your example, PD, mali yata because Begin was fighting a foreign invader. No comparison! Mas OK pa kung iyong example mo si Mandela who was fighting his own government for an injustice against the natives of his country, himself included.
The Philippines no doubt is going through the same revolution. It should not be curtailed but encouraged as a matter of fact.
I like those words—the die has been cast! Indeed it has!
Patalsikin na, NOW na! Let us remember that right or wrong, Trillanes, Lim, et al are fighting for a cause for the good of the Philippines and the Filipinos! Mabuhay silang lahat!
…The Philippines no doubt is going through the same revolution/transition.
PD:
OK lang naman kung si Gloria Dorobo lang naman ang maglalagay ng tag sa kanilang terrorists, etc. sila. Mas di hamak namang marangal sila!!! Right?
Patalsikin na, NOW na.
“…….practically, ninanakawan na sila at dinuduraan sa mukha ng rehimeng Arroyo, nakatingala pa rin at nakangiti…”
piping dilat,
dahan dahan. may ilan ditong nasasagasaan. sila ‘yung ang ipinaglalaban daw ay ang mapatalsik si gloria arrovo subalit sumisingasing sa pagkadismaya kapag nabigo ang sino mang magtangka at lalaitin pa ang mga dakdak lang alam at mga walang kuwentang oposisyon kay gloria.
sila ‘yung mga mahilig sumabit sa sasakyan ng mga umabot sa pinis layn.
in gloria arrovos’ administration, anyone who go against its morally bankrupt policy is outrightly condemned and called destabilizer while shielding its cabal from attending any senate hearings about its strings of scandals.
this is the law of equality in gloria’s and her puppets’ terms!
Norpil, you said: “politics is really not easy.trillanes and lim called for a withdrawal of support, what they got in this blog is withdrawal of support for them from some.”
Please speak for yourself,my admiration for Gen.Lim and Sen. Trillanes has increased a hundredfold.
My comments iyong from “Ditto….”
Magno,
Damang-dama ko ang hinaing mo. OK ka p’re. Iyan ang tunay kaya madali mo ring mahalata ang mga peke. Ipagpatuloy mo. E ano ba kung marching with fingers lang ang marami sa atin dito basta against doon sa kriminal na magnanakaw na taratitat na kampon pa ni Satanas!
Patalsikin na, NOW na!
Si Gloria Dorobo, walang paki kahit na sinong mamatay basta huwag lang siyang matanggal sa ninakaw niyang upuan. Sa totoo lang, may na-accomplish ang ginawa nina Trillanes at Lim. Lahat ng mga kasama ko sa TV in fact, alam na ngayon na something is wrong with Gloria’s government. Na-mention nga sa programa iyong mga scandals na nirereklamo ng mga pilipino. That is accomplishment enough, I think. Dapat nang ibisto ang ungas lalo na doon sa mga bansang inuutangan niya ng mga nanakawin niya para ibulsa at ihati doon sa mga kapwa niya mandarambong!!!
Mabuhay kayo Senator Trillanes, General Lim, et al! Konting tiis lang. Basta ba huwag kayong patayin. Siguro naman walang maniniwalang kaya kayo binaril dahil tatakas kayo kung sakali by what you did, going with the crooks peacefully back to your cells.
Dapat bantayan ng mga lawyers’ association kung binugbog sila between Thursday and the days to come. Police brutality in fact can be grounds for dismissal of cases….over here in fact. Ewan ko sa Pilipinas!
HI Yuko,
My point in giving out those examples is that the very same actions like blowing up a hotel, suicide bombings, etc… can always be looked upon from either side…
Also it is the gov’t that classifies the actions of Trillanes et. al. as treason… since as far as they are concerned, this administration is “legitimate” . They control the media ( at least most of it )… control the military ( ? ) , police and judiciary… so Trillanes et al are the villains… but for the rest of us… they definitely are not the villains… that is just what I am saying…
Mrivera,
There are two kinds of people that are criticizing Trillanes et al… One of that is the group that is really embraced GMA’s words and deeds as the salvation of the nation and gloats at what happened in Manila Pen… the other group is composed of anti-GMA who simply are frustrated that she was not ousted by that move… so their criticism is more of a result of demoralization on their part more than anything else…
Both groups probably believed that the Manila Pen incident is the end of it all… and their reactions are understandable…
piping dilat,
okey, dismayado sila dahil hindi napatalsik si gloria sa pagkakataong iyon, subalit sapat na ba’yun upang laitin nila ng ganun na lamang sina AT4 at bgen lim?
mahirap kasi ‘yung mga mere spectators na ang attitude ay wait and see pero wala namang naiaambag sa anumang pagkilos upang mabago ang bulok na sistema ng mang-aagaw, huwad at pinakaganid na napaupo sa malakanyang, si gloria dorobo!
sasabihan na duwag ‘yung dalawa at walang kuwenta ang mga ngumangakngak dito samantalang sila na umuusok ang bumbunan na inis ay nagkakamot lamang ng tiyan at naghihimas ng kilikili habang nananawagan ng suporta sina AT4 at bgen lim.
maam ellen,its good you are safe now.praise God there’s no bloodshed during the standoff.
Naiintindihan ko ang point mo, PD. Kaya medyo iba sa concept ko kasi iba ang orientation ko base na rin sa family background, upbringing at saka religion ko. Hindi kasi puedeng maging tama ang mali. Si Begin nagpaputok ng hotel sabi mo pero ang kalaban ay mga dayuhang sumakop ng bansa ng mga ninuno niya kahit na sa totoo lang ay taga-Poland siya na Hudyo. Si Sonny naman ay ipinaglalaban ang katwiran laban sa pekeng administration, at kahit na ano pang sabihin ni Dorobo at mga alipores niya alam nating lahat na dapat ay ikinukulong ang mga katulad niya.
Problema kasi sa Pilipinas, sabi nga ni Alan Paguia, ay wala nang “Rule of Law” na nakakatuwa namang binabaliktad ni Dorobo ang ibig sabihin to suit and fit her evil aspirations na lamentably nakakaya pang i-tolerate ng maraming pilipino na sila din naman ang nahihirapan. Para sa akin, iyan ang kaululan lalo na na hindi pa magkaisa ng diwa! Yuck!
Diyan nakalalamang ang mga hapon sa mga pilipino. Dito kasi hindi pangsarili ang iniisip kundi ang kapakanan ng nakakarami, at suwerte din siguro kami kasi at least may hiya at delikadeza ang karamihan sa mga napupuwesto sa gobyerno namin gaya halimbawa ni Abe na kusangloob na bumaba kahit na maraming supporter niya ang gustong manatili siya sa puwesto niya. Hindi nakayanan ng pobre ang batikos sa kaniya at sa hindi magandang naging reputation ng administration niya at siya ay bumaba kahit na sa totoo lang ay hindi kasingbigat ng mga criticism ng media namin sa kaniya kumpara sa mga batikos kay unano ng Philippine media lalo na iyong mga hindi tumatanggap ng suhol mula sa kaniya.
Iyan PD ang tunay.
Ang sinasabi mo, PD, ay kapareho noong sinasabi ni Erap na “Weder, weder lang, P’re!” At saka siguro, pakapalan ng mukha, di ba?
…kaya lang iba sa concept ko…
…ang mga katulad ni Gloria Dorobo na nagnakaw ng mga boto!..
Sinong may sabing duwag si Trillanes at General Lim? Mas duwag iyong mga nagsasabing duwag sila. At least, sila nag-try na ipakita ang tapang nila, pero ano nga naman ang ilalaban nila na tangke na ang lumusob sa kanila. Mantakin mo iyong mga media corps na masasalanta kung nagkataon.
Point ay bakit washing off hands pa iyong iba? OK, hindi sila kasama. E bakit hindi sila sumama? Mukhang pati iyong dapat na kasama, sa bandang huli, umurong pa. Kaya siguro mangiyak-ngiyak si Sonny! Kawaiso!
At saka kundi ba namang gunggong pati iyong mga pulis, bakit tinatanong kung ABB iyong mga peryodista? Susmaryosep!
Yuko,
I genuinely believe that anyone may accuse Gen Lim and Sen Trillanes of anything under the sun if that someone so wishes but I think that that someone could hardly accuse them of cowardice.
d0d0ng Says:
December 1st, 2007 at 1:18 am
“Sen. Trillanes was manhandled last night. He was taken in. He was hit by a fist blow to his chest. He was elbowed”
Most police videos abroad will show a suspect pinned down on the ground with 2 or 3 police officers on top of the suspect. It is not even called police brutality.
Fist blow and elbow equals brutality? That is an exaggeration.
**if it is necessary, then physical attack (fist blow and throwing an elbow) may be considered police brutality. baka yung nakikita mong ipinadadapa e yung mga nagpahabol or yung pumapalaga. actually buti nga na ginawa ng mga bopols na police iyon cos that will certainly cause outrage. dapat i-loop nila ang video kung paano kinaladkad ng pulis sina sen trillanes at gen lim. at sana ulit-uliting rin itong pagbanggit ng panununtok ng pulis.**
ellen,
kilala mo ba itong si dean amado valdez? at bakit siya broadcaster ng abs-cbn/dzmm? bastos siya ha. abs-cbn should get rid of the guy. his interview of biazon just showed how stupid and rude he is. neil ocampo is another idiot but that’s a different story altogether.
Hi Yuko…
You seem to admire the qualities of the japanese… i wouldn’t blame you… they really attained that spirit of a homogenous society…
However, you might like to know that the japanese attained such a homogenous society from centuries of in-fighting and bloody civil wars… whoever is in power eliminated all those who does not conform… kaya nga naging homogenous sila.. he-he-he…
By the way, during the Sarin attack of Tokyo… I was there… good thing that I always avoided rush hours and was out of the subway and in the building 30 minutes before it happened…
By the way, for those of you who thinks that there are rules of engagements being followed by the authorities… think again… the link below will is the radio recording of a brave man who tried to voice out his grievances against the gov’t and died in the process… his death throes were clearly broadcasted in the airwaves… and of course as usual, the case against those who gave the shoot to kill order never prospered… such is justice in this country…
http://www.angelfire.com/dragon2/redeye0/
PD：You seem to admire the qualities of the japanese… i wouldn’t blame you… they really attained that spirit of a homogenous society…
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It isn’t just a matter of admiration, PD. It is more because I know what is good in this country where as a Japanese nationalI am part of its so-called “homogenous society” even when in fact there are a lot many of us here with foreign blood, too.
Having been born and reared in the Philippines, I can fairly say I know both countries, and I write what is good in Japan kasi baka naman may mapulot ang mga pinoy. Sabi nga, “Manggagaya rin lang hindi pa iyong mga matino ang gayahin.”
Problem is that some people are just simply being deliberately malicious and intend to mar the discussion here, for there is actually nothing wrong with having varied and conflicting opinions for let’s face it, no two persons can really be alike. Even twins have their differences as a matter of fact.
Kaya nga lang, may talagang nanadyang manggulo! Nangyayari tuloy, parang usapang bata na walang sense ang usapan.
But I like “arguing” with you. Ipagpatuloy mo. I like being intellectually stirred, sabi nga. Hindi ako nababaduy!
BTW, those who were affected by the Sarin are now getting compensation from the government. Still, I prefer to be free of it. May side effect and one of my friends, who was on the train, has this chronic manifestation of it. Iyong perang tinatanggap niya, nagagamit niya sa pagpapagamot kasi hindi pa naman recognized iyong isang petition yata nila for the Health Ministry to provide free medication for their ailment.
At least, over here, you know the government will not dare cheat you! Taragis sa Pilipinas, iyong pension ng tatay ko, nakurakot na. Tapos iyong tiyo kong sundalo noong WWII na nag-retire noong 60’s, 900 pesos lang daw ang pension. Buti na lang, may pension din sa Tate! Tawag diyan, manggagatso(?)!!
Iyong civil wars na sinasabi mo, PD, iyon ay trend noong panahon na iyon. Ganoon din naman sa Europe as a matter of fact. Maganda nga lang may emperador na tinitingala kahit na noong kung sinong manalo sa away-away ng mga daimyo noong unang panahon.
I’m familiar with the story as a matter of fact lalo na noong tungkol sa Taira clan lalo na noong malaman kong ang Japanese ancestors ko ay part ng clan na iyon. Japanese family name namin sa totoo lang ay “Waki” from somewhere in Toyama Prefecture. I’m still researching on my roots. Inggit nga ako sa Mister ko kasi iyong family niya may genealogical record dating back to 752 A. D.
Iyong sa mother ko na-trace ko up to 1762 kasi may lahi siyang British. Na-meet ko rin ang mga kapareho niyang apelyido sa Lancaster, England. May kahawig pa nga ng maternal grandfather ko.
Kaya maganda iyong programa ng simbahan namin kasi iyong mga member ng simbahan namin, marami na ring naghahanap ng records nila. Meron good compilation sa Utah that our church obtained during the Marcos regime on a joint project with the National Archives/Library. Kaya kung gusto talagang malaman ang totoo tungkol sa claim ng mga burot, madaling malaman. Tiyaga nga lang ang kailangan.
Noong ngang kini-question ang nationality ni FPJ, PD, I suggested that they contact the LDS record depository in Utah because I knew about records dating back to the 18th century kept at the National Archives were microfilmed by the LDS Church. Kaya nga sila nakakuha ng ebidensiya at napahiya ang mga inutusan ng mag-asawang mandarambong para sirain ang dangal at puri ng pamilya ng tatay niya. Mas matindi ang ebidensiyang nakuha kaya hindi makahirit iyong nameke ng record daw ni Fernando Poe Sr. at biglang nawala kasama pa yata iyong computer na inuwi sa sariling bahay niya! Tindi, di ba? Pero nakasuhan ba? Hindi! Inilibing na lang sa limot! Yuck!
“However, you might like to know that the japanese attained such a homogenous society from centuries of in-fighting and bloody civil wars… whoever is in power eliminated all those who does not conform… kaya nga naging homogenous sila.. he-he-he…” — Piping Dilat
Maybe that’s why the Philippines is still in such a state of shit, it’s because Filipinos haven’t learned to fight for their rights?
Piping Dilat,
Doesn’t mean I disagree with you — on the contrary I agree entirely. Before Europe attained the level of democracy it is enjoying now, mamber nations fought, shed blood, caused havoc and the deaths of tens of millions of Europeans.
Millions sacrificed their lives to achieve the level of democracy we in Europe enjoy today.
The Philippines doesn’t know it’s born in terms of the level of democracy western nations enjoy today.
“kahit itanong mo kay anthony scalia!”
who? i know (not personally) a scalia, but his first name is antonin, and he is a justice of the US Supreme Court.
Pero conservative si justice antonin scalia, so baka kung tinanong ko sa kanya iyung tinanong mo, e baka you will get the answer you are looking for.
this is just me, but i think ex-pinoys have no business commenting on whats happening here. they have abandoned their country already. leave Pinoy affairs to Pinoys. where were/are you when your country needs/needed you the most?
if you have nothing to give more than shouting ‘patalsikin na now na’ eh it is for your own good to do other things. the country is not in short supply of people shouting ‘patalsikin na now na’
With respect to the Manila Pen standoff incident, the bottom line is to realize that, ” Success has many fathers… but Failure is usually an orphan. ” Then one can understand the various comments given by some bloggers here… might be a good saying to live by…
it is good ellen is not as3, otherwise expinoys whatever he meant by that will not have business commenting here.
Si Miriam Defensor Santiago ang naka-nipendabad ng pelikula ni General Abat noong December 2005.
Iba talaga ang impluwensya ng PBB sa mga Pinoy.