From Inquirer Online:
by By Lira Dalangin-Fernandez
Convicted president Joseph Estrada is a free man.
President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo granted pardon to the 70-year-old deposed leader following a recommendation by the Department of Justice (DoJ), Press Secretary Ignacio Bunye said in a press conference on national television.
Interior and Local Government Secretary Ronaldo Puno has been instructed to deliver the order to Estrada at 9 a.m. Friday at his rest house in Tanay, Rizal, said Bunye, concurrent executive secretary.
The process of serving the pardon starts when the former president accepts it and would take about three hours to arrange, Bunye said.
As soon as Estrada accepts the pardon, the order would be transmitted by Puno to the Sandiganbayan and once the anti-graft court has formally noted the order of acceptance, it would be returned to Tanay after which Estrada would be released.
Reading from the order signed by the President, Bunye said the pardon was granted after Estrada publicly agreed not to pursue any other elective office.
It is also part of Arroyo’s policy of releasing prisoners who have reached 70 years of age and in recognition of Estrada’s six years in detention, much of it under house arrest, Bunye said.
With the pardon, “Estrada has been restored his civil and political rights,” Bunye read.
But Bunye said the forfeiture decision imposed by the Sandiganbayan anti-graft court remained in force, “including all writs and processes issued by the Sandiganbayan … except for the bank accounts he owned before his tenure as President.”
The President’s order in full:
“Whereas, this Administration has a policy of releasing inmates who have reached the age of seventy (70),
“Whereas, Joseph Ejercito Estrada has been under detention for six and a half years,
“Whereas, Joseph Ejercito Estrada has publicly committed to no longer seek any elective position or office,
“In view hereof and pursuant to the authority conferred upon me by the Constitution, I hereby grant executive clemency to Joseph Ejercito Estrada, convicted by the Sandiganbayan of plunder and imposed a penalty of reclusion perpetua. He is hereby restored to his civil and political rights.
“The forfeitures imposed by the Sandiganbayan remain in force and in full, including all writs and processes issued by the Sandiganbayan in pursuance hereof, except for the bank account(s) he owned before his tenure as President.”
Bunye made no mention of the political pressure being exerted by Estrada supporters for release following his sentence of life imprisonment earlier this year for massive graft.
Bunye said the President’s decision was based on a Department of Justice recommendation, which contained the same reasons given in the “whereas” clause of the order.
Asked what had prompted Arroyo to act swiftly on the recommendation, Bunye said the President found sufficient reasons to grant Estrada pardon.
“The power of the President under the Constitution is absolute once the conditions for the grant of the pardon are there, the principal condition being that the sentence has already become final then that can set into motion the process of granting executive clemency,” Bunye explained.
In granting the pardon, Bunye assured that the President had considered all factors, including those opposing it.
The pardon came amid allegations by some groups that the move was a “political accommodation” to Estrada.
The chief government prosecutor and lawyers who won the plunder case against Estrada also opposed the move by the Palace, saying “the timing is not good” and “too early.”
But Malacañang officials said granting pardon to Estrada was a reconciliatory move that could finally pave the way to unity.
Estrada, who was sentenced to life in prison by the Sandiganbayan anti-graft court on September 12 for plunder, told the anti-graft court on Monday that he was dropping a motion for reconsideration on his verdict and would seek “full, free, and unconditional” pardon from Arroyo.
The President was reportedly elated when she was told of Estrada’s decision.
The Sandiganbayan Tuesday granted Estrada’s motion to waive his right to appeal his conviction. Dropping the appeal makes the court’s decision final and paves the way for the process of initiating a presidential pardon.
With a report from AFP
Magsama na silang dalawa. Inis ako.
Re: “But Malacañang officials said granting pardon to Estrada was a reconciliatory move that could finally pave the way to unity.”
What unity? There can be no unity for as long as Gloria is there!
Ellen,
Ako din! Kaya nga sabi ko, both of them OUT!
Hindi kailangan ng taong bayan ang mga drama nila.
Kung ano-ano pa ang pinagsasabi nitong si Estrada. Hihingi lang pala ng pardon sa mandaraya at magnanakaw. Pinatunayan lang niyang wala siyang pinag-kaiba ni Arroyo. Kung sabagay, mabuti yan at magkasama na sila.
Pakialam ko sa kanilang dalawa, Inis din ako!
Unity? Layas kayong dalawa at nang masimulan ang paglilinis ng bansa!
Layaaaaaaaaaassssss! Putragis kayong dalawa, magsama kayo sa impierno!
Pati na rin si Chavit. Magsama silang tatlo.
Ellen, Anna,
Siguro ay naunsyami si Erap ng walang makitang supporter sa kalsada nung bigyan siya ng guilty verdict ng Sandigannigloria kaya surender na lang s’ya sa bruha. Just a thought.
Really, I believe that this ‘concoction’ of the two dramatistas is good for the country. Their both fading-out from the scene is inevitable. Sabay silang mawawala sa eksena, masaya!
Oo nga, magyakap silang tatlo sa impierno!
So what? Anong pakialam natin? Afterall they deserve each other.
These are all dictated by vested interests.
That’s why i’m betting my hard earned centavo to only one person, and so far he hasn’t done anything to negate that.
I ditto that Sampot, “So what? Anong pakialam natin? Afterall they deserve each other.”
What Erap can do now in fact is turn the table down. If he has not committed a crime, he should not be satisfied with the kind of pardon the criminal has presented him with those conditions to insure that Erap can no longer pose a threat to her ambition to be a queen. Erap should demand a complete dismissal of his case.
Mayroon flaws pa ang pardon na ito as a matter of fact. Clemency is granted only to those who have been sentenced and have served their punishment. Erap has been only in detention not in prison!!! He is in fact still an accused appealing his case, and is not a totally convicted felon yet so why and what is he being pardoned for? Ang bobo naman!!!
Wrong move, Erap. Pero siguro ay OK na lang sa kanila, tutal ay matanda ka na at kailangan mo na ang pahinga.
I don’t believe that Erap nor Gloria will dictate the course of the 2010 elections, both of them are gonners. We already proved that Pinoys can do take the lead in the case of Trillanes. We just have to do it over again!
Ako, alam ko na ang palabas ni unano, kaya nga sabi ko noon pa, “no way!” Mas gusto ko ngang nakakulong si Erap e para lalong dramatic sana. Pero wag-du din pala. Yuck!
i hope this is the last straw …
now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country.
already, jnggoy is ever grateful to Her Excellency President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo for granting pardon sa kanyang “mahal na ama”.
anak ka ng ama mo!!!
magsama kayo parehong magnanakaw!!!
Front page picture (on line) of the Inquirer features Erap who looks like a young bandido — akala ko ba 70 years old na yan e bakit itim pa rin ang buhok at ang bigote?
“magsama kayo parehong magnanakaw!!!”
Iyan ang sinasabi ko na gloria and Erap will cancel each other out. Erap’s seeking forgiveness from Gloria just might be the last straw, i.e., pareho silang ousted once and for all…
Manood muna tayo mga kaibigan. May subplot ang bawat storya.
Madaling sabihing si ganito ganoon ang pumatay (sa isang sine), only to realize, yun palang umiiyak na misis ang may sala.
Malalim itong eksenang ito.
Who knows what’s cooking? Chavit, ingat ka na, Gloria can drop you like a hot kamote and once that happens always remember Erap cell is now vacant looking for a tenant. Gloria now knows where she belongs, and it is not a far fetched idea to think that she will try to spend the last remaining time in office to clean some of the mess she created. Paano kung laban na rin si Glo ngayon kay FVR and Co? Gumaganda na ang plot.
Kung ano man ang napagkasunduan nilang dalawa, di tayo kasama doon. At ni minsan ay di nila iniisip ang kapakanan ng bayan.
Walang makakatulong sa atin kundi tayo lang. Hindi ang mga politiko!
On the other hand, Trillanes does not behave and sounds like a politician as Hudasan wishes him to be.
Completely agree, Sampot.
Pwede tayong magalit at mainis sa mga pangyayari sa pagpardon kay Erap. Pero ang sa akin lang, tutal at nagdusa na rin siya ng anim na taon, naiintindihan ko si Erap lalo na at gusto niyang makasama ang kanyang mahal na ina na bed-ridden at bilang na ang sandali sa mundong ibabaw. I believe that Erap’s GREAT LOVE for his MOTHER made him decide to swallow his pride and ask for pardon. Siguro kung ako rin ang nasa kalagayan niya, ganun din ang gagawin ko. Intindihn natin siya. This does not mean na ititigil na natin ang pagbira kay Gloria. Tuloy pa rin ang laban sa administrasyon ni Demonic Gloria! This does not make demonic Gloria an angel.
Re: On the other hand, Trillanes does not behave and sounds like a politician as Hudasan wishes him to be.
Unfortunately whether Trillianes likes it or not he is already a politician. The only thing he can show the nation and other politician – he is different than the rest for he is an Honest Politician – a real public servant.
Luz,
Re “This does not make demonic Gloria an angel.”
On the contrary, it makes her look satanic…
A sad day for the Justice system in the Philippines.No remorse,no”I’m sorry”,not even one day in jail for the convict!
Iba talaga ang system of justice dito.One for the poor.and one for the Very Powerful!
Jose Velarde and Gloria Pidal,you deserve each other!
We deserve better leaders!
Don’t worry, Equalizer.
The PowerPoor will triumph in the end!
What’s happening to this country???
Last week was the “Big Fart’ excuse.
Today is the edsa 2 “Big Farce” exposed.
Sampot:
Hindi nga kasama ang mga pilipino, pero sila ang collateral damage ng mga deals nitong dalawang evil, lesser and bigger o magkapareho lang. Iyong isa duwag, pero iyong isa tumataga sa likod–in short, traydor, dugong aso!!!
Tuloy ang laban pa rin! This fight is bigger than Erap. No one person should be bigger than the Philippines! Ang laban ay para sa bayan…
Atty. 36252:
Gloria’s long time prayers were finally heard, Erap’s forgiveness for the treason that she did in 2001. Subplot to follow.
“The PowerPoor will triumph in the end!SAMPOT”
Sorry ,I dont agree.The poor can’t afford good lawyers,have no connections,walang malapitan!They will get justice in the next life,not in the Philippines.
I am willing to make a bet:after the convicted plunderer,the convicted child rapist(Cong.RJ)will be next to receive presidential pardon.
Equalizer, be equal in your judgment. If you have an old ailing mother who’s dying, what would you choose? Freedom to be with her in her dying moments or stick to your pride and principle? Inuulit ko, there comes a time in a person when he must choose and decide even if it’s not popular. Akala niyo ba madali para kay Erap ang humingi ng pardon? You’re among those who caused his ouster and now bitching. Let’s move on…
# The Equalizer Says:
October 25th, 2007 at 9:32 pm
What’s happening to this country???
Last week was the “Big Fart’ excuse.
Today is the edsa 2 “Big Farce” exposed.
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Has Pinas reached the bottom yet?!
# Ellen Says:
October 25th, 2007 at 7:54 pm
Magsama na silang dalawa. Inis ako.
—Mainis na kayong lahat kung gusto niyo. What do you want Erap to do? To stay in detention for another 10 years while appealing at the Supreme Court? SC will not reverse its decision since it’s the one that stamped his ouster. Kayo man nasa katayuan ni Erap na malapit nang pumanaw ang ina at sabik na makapiling ang buong pamilya, ano ang gagawin mo kung lahat ng legal options ay sinubukan na? Even if Erap is free, people could still continue to work for the ouster of GMA. Who knows, Erap might be working secretly on her ouster while he’s out. Ganyan lang ang laro sa pulitika at ganyan lang ang buhay. Life has to move on. We don’t blame those crooks like Singson and Ramos to protest vigorously against the pardon but I don’t think all bloggers here share some of your disappointment. Kung inis kayo…di sige kayo na ang magpakulong o maging Presidente!
pechanco:.Erap didnt show remorse,didn’t say a simple “I’m sorry”,didn’t stay even a single day in Muntinlupa for the high crime of Plunder.
If he were a simple,poor man convicted of a serious crime,would Gloria pardon him because he “has an old ailing mother’?
Akala niyo ba madali para kay Erap ang humingi ng pardon?,my foot!
Puwede ba isara na lang natin etong huling kabanata ng buhay ni Erap. Hayaan na natin magpahinga. Marami ng hirap at kahihiyan ang inabot niya. Ang atupagin na lang natin ay etong salot ngayon na dinaranas ng ating Bansa at kung hindi tayo gagalaw lalong mapapahamak pa ang mga taongbayan. Pinatahimik na nila ang mga columnista nagsusulat ng laban sa kanila, mga estudyante at mga ordinaryong tao na inakusahang mga komunista daw kuno at eto ngayon ang mga taong walang kamuwang-muwang. Gusto pa ba nating madagdagan pa ang madadamay? Ang mga perang pinamumudmud nila at kinukurakot gusto pa ba nating dagdagan pa? Mga kababayan hatol na baka ma…uli ang la..at.
Who says we need lawyers?
The enemy of the state has gone beyond the rule of law. Haven’t you realized that yet?
EO464, 1017, forced disappearances, murders, etc. Have we forgotten those already? These are the products of “creative minds” in the employ of evil.
In order to defeat a very creative enemy, we must be more creative.
The line in the sand has been drawn :
The Gloria/Erap crowd(“let’s move on!,Catch us if you can”) versus the People of the Philippines.
God save this county!
I understand Erap if he did it for his ailing mother, but please wag isama naman ang masa as an excuse. He should just say, “my mom’s dying”, period! I’m starting to think that that was the deal they had to make Gloria give pardon. A scripted speech written for Erap.
“I’m starting to think that that was the deal they had to make Gloria give pardon. A scripted speech written for Erap.”
ipaglaban mo: the Villar/jinggoy/cayetano/escudero alignment with adminstration bloc to form the majority of the Senate was part of this deal!
I agree!!!!
Pechanco: So the convicted rapist(jalosjos) can expect to be pardoned bu gloria if he used the same excuse?
Does one has to cry and say out loud “I’m sorry” to show remorse? Sometimes, action speaks louder than words, right? The fact that Erap sought GMA’s pardon was enough. Akala mo ba madali ang humingi ng pardon sa isang bagay na alam mong wala kang kasalanan? If there was or were things Erap was guilty of, it was bribery or extortion but not plunder. Since his case and conviction was more of a political decision than legal, then what’s wrong if Erap finally resolved this politically by seeking pardon from the person who ousted him?
Think about that…
Etnad,
Re: “Hayaan na natin magpahinga. Marami ng hirap at kahihiyan ang inabot niya. ”
Sana kung ganoon lang sana (para magpahinga na siya) but the story of his pardon today cannot end there because the woman who gave him that forgiveness will use that to breach the rule of law more…
Imagine, ngayon, sasabihin niya, examples:
“See, when I was sworn in by Davide in 2001, I became legally the president of this country.”
“Now let’s move on Erap crowd, after all I’ve forgiven your hero, so the least you can do is to be grateful to me now.”
or:
“Now that Erap’s out of the way, we can all forget the past and forget all these foolish accusations against me that the opposition has been hell bent on putting at my doorstep — all these payola scandals, the allegations that my family and I were involved in the ZTE deal, you will see, they are nothing but a figment of the imagination of those against me, just like what the Erap crowd had thought all along when I became president of the Philippines on Jan 21, 2001…”
etc., etc., etc.
To my mind, we have not seen the “pahinga” of Erap that the pro-Erap crowd is aspiring for him because this will be used again and again by Gloria and her fellow criminally minded gang members to continue breaching the rule of law!
I am adding my voice to those passionately opposed to the undue haste with which the pardon of Estrada was given.
It is obviously one more ploy of Gloria to throw a monkey wrench at the growing momentum of public opinion against her corrupt administration. Erap’s supporters should not for a second think that Gloria is being merciful and magnanimous. Estrada is being used, make no mistake about it.
Her diabolical mind knows no bounds.
Noong kinuha nila ang mga Komunista
Wala akong pakialam,di’ naman ako Komunista, eh
Noong kinuha nila ang mga student activists
Wala din akong pakialam,di’ naman student activist ang anak ko,eh
Noong kinuha nila si Jonas Burgos
Wala rin akong pakialam,di ko naman kamaganak si Jonas!
Noong binomba nila ang Ayala Mall,
Wala rin akong pakialam,wala sa pamilya ko ang nasugatan naman,eh
Noong nagkipag-deal sila kay Erap
Wala ring akong pakialam,dahil ok naman si Erap sa akin
Isang araw,noong kinuha nila ako
Wala akong masabe,kasi Ako rin ay may sala!
Dahil hindi ako nakialam at di ako nasabi
“Lahat at may karapatan na maging Malaya!”
Naiinis ako but I don’t have anymore feelings about this. Para sa akin, tapos na silang dalawa. Extending this drama for another tomorrows will hurt the masa more.
Gloria already pardoned Erap, and it’s futile for Erap to say he’s not acknowledging Gloria as his president.
Meantime, I wish Erap peace of mind beside her ailing mother, and Gloria…go to hell!
Kaya kay Ping Lacson tayo sa 2010. Kahit ano pang paninira nila sa kanya kay Ping pa rin tayo. Si Ping ang pag-asa ng Bayan. Mabuhay ka Mr. Lacson … sana huwag kang gumaya kila Ramos, Erap at lalo na itong Arroyo na to. Maigsi lang ang buhay Ping kaya sana ang natitira pa sa iyo ay gamitin mo sa ikauunlad ng mga mamamayan at huwag lang sa ikauunlad ang pamilya mo. Ulit Mabuhay ka!!!!
Tapos na ang kabanata ni Presidente Erap. Pardon? Ganoon pala kadali kung gustong gawin. Palayain sina Sen. Trillanes at Maj. Gen. Miranda, Gen. Lim , et al. Sila ay political prisoners katulad ni Erap. Dapat isunod si Gloriang Putot.
Skip,
Exactly my thought:
“Erap’s supporters should not for a second think that Gloria is being merciful and magnanimous. Estrada is being used, make no mistake about it.”
Makikisabat na nga po.
For Erap to be with his ailing mother in her last moments, there are possible remedies other than asking for executive clemency (and all the implications that go with it.) How many times had Erap been granted furlough?
For Aling Gloria to cite humanitarian grounds, there are even more remedies other pardon.
I understand Erap’s wish to be with his mother. What I don’t understand is the need for executive clemency to grant that particular wish.
kaya nga eh! pagbigyan nalang siguro si Erap at matanda na rin yan, malay natin kong bumaliktad agad ang panahon at si Gloria na ang makulong. pakitang gilas lang yan ni Gloria para makalimutan O maka bawas sa usapin ang lahat na ginawa niya.
tapos na! the end… erap at gma, kapwa guilty… sayang ka erap… kailanman ay hindi nakatali ang kapangyarihan ng maralitang pilipino para lamang kay erap… kung pagod na ang katawang-lupa ng masa, nagpapahinga lang iyan… babangunin rin sa tamang panahon kahit walang laman ang sikmura…
‘oh Dakilang Lumikha, kaawaan mo ang bayang Pilipinas.
Etnad,
Ang kulit mo, sabi na ngang OO e! 🙂
“The presidential pardon for Erap has finally given legitimacy to the arroyo administration.Cong Nograles”.
Straight from the horse’s mouth!
May nagpagamit,may gumamit!
There is a sucker born everyday
It’s now clear to me…this blog is both anti-GMA and anti-Erap. This blog was using Erap against GMA. Now that Erap would be free, this blog cries foul. Not Erap, not GMA…then who? Gamitan lang ang nangyari. The same people who conspired in the ouster of two past leaders now are working for the ouster of the most evil one…GMA. But why use another to oust another? Ginamit niyo lang si Erap dito against GMA. Malinaw sa akin iyan. Can we not move on…yes, move on to oust this GMA and give Erap the break that he badly needs at this time.
Petite,
“tapos na! the end… erap at gma, kapwa guilty… sayang ka erap… kailanman ay hindi nakatali ang kapangyarihan ng maralitang pilipino para lamang kay erap…”
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Kaganda naman!
“It’s now clear to me…this blog is both anti-GMA and anti-Erap.”
NO! I am pro Filipino!
Kaya tuloy pa rin ang laban! Hindi para kay Erap ang laban na ito. There’s more important things to fight for the Filipinos than Erap.
Masalimuot ang ginawang pardon. Una, kinain ni Erap ang kanyang unang sinasabi na never siyang hihingi ng pardon dahil wala siyang kasalanan. Ikalawa, si goria, hanging on to her grabbed presidency, nag-isip ng isang paraan para mabawasan ang mga kumakalaban sa kanya kaya ipinursige itong pardon. We recall that it’s goria’s camp who was insistent on giving pardon to Erap. We could only think that Erap succumbed because of poor health, his dying mother and the personal wish to end his suffering and endless humiliation for being imprisoned for so long. A freedom is a freedom whatever it takes. But from now on, I would not discuss anymore about Erap. Period na siya as far as I’m concerned.
Let’s focus on another man: Sen. Antonio Trillanes IV.
It’s disgusting. We are made an audience to a stupid Punch and Judy show. They’re all pulling each other’s twits in full view of the public.
Gloria pulling Erap’s twit. Erap pulling Gloria’s twit. Ramos pulling Gloria’s twit. Gloria pulling Ramos’and JDV’s twit. JDV pulling Gloria’s twit.
The Congressmen and Governors and Mayors and Gloria are pulling each other’s twits.
And they really don’t care that the public is watching. Mga exhibitionists.
Pechanco,
Agree!
tama si ADeBRUX: tatlo lang ang tunay na opposition senators:PIMENTEL,LACSON and TRILLANES.
Nabisto na ang ibang GO senators,”Deal or No Deal “time.
Chi,
Sige. Replay lang yon.
Penchanco, to be perfectly honest, I believe this blog has always been anti-Gloria but not necessarily pro-Erap. My own observation…
And to be perfectly honest again, I am one of those prepared for that pardon to be used to rouse the rest of the Filipinos to ousting Gloria too.
And finally, to be perfectly honest again, I never in my wildest dreams believed that Erap would be a great president.
Whatever support for him I had represented my enormous disgust at how his impeachment was used by a sinister couple to break the rule of law and breach the Constitution on 21 Jan 2007.
TP,
Namaalam na ako kay Erap by wishing him peace of mind beside his Mom.
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Now, “Let’s focus on another man: Sen. Antonio Trillanes IV.”
Hear! Hear!
# The Equalizer Says:
October 25th, 2007 at 10:12 pm
“It’s now clear to me…this blog is both anti-GMA and anti-Erap.”
NO! I am pro Filipino!
—-No, you’re pro-Equalizer. You’re pro-yourself. Those who have this kind of reaction ( againt Erap’s pardon) are plain selfish and hypocrites. You and the others are now on the side of Chavit Singson, FVR and all other groups that caused the ouster of Erap. Now, you cannot accept the fact that he’s now a free man. And it’s now clear…that behind GMA’s power and evil deeds are people like Singson and Ramos. Sila ang may hawak kay GMA. Sila ang nasa likod ng panggigipit kay Erap. To Singson, why not make good your threat to bolt out from GMA’s camp now that Erap is pardoned. Takot ka na ba na buweltahan ka ni Erap? Kayo dito na maingay sa paglaya ni Erap, may kinatatakutan ba kayo?
So, shall we give up our quest for justice because Erap might be helping us in ousting Aling Gloria? Just because this is the kind of politics we have, it does not mean that we’re left with no choice but to throw our hands up in surrender.
Erap and Aling Gloria, their effects combined, will not stop us from living our lives. People say “move on”. Why? Did we ever stop?
That’s true. We cannot expect everybody to see things the way we see them. We, however, need to be tolerant of viewpoints different from ours.
And I believe there are many like minded individuals like me around who supported Estrada not because he would have been a great president or not but because he was in their/my belief the then duly elected president of the Republic whose rights to a fair trial was botched by a Gloria led mutiny abetted no less than by then SC chief of injustice Hilario Davide.
# The Equalizer Says:
October 25th, 2007 at 9:59 pm
Pechanco: So the convicted rapist(jalosjos) can expect to be pardoned bu gloria if he used the same excuse?
—-What is pardon? Define pardon? How can one ask for forgiveness? How can one show remorse? If one seeks for pardon and accepts the pardon, does he not admit his fault? Isn’t it an implied admission of some guilt? My position is clear and this is what I believe it to be: Erap was not guilty of plunder but only bribery and extortion. Kung lahat ay kakasuhan ng bribery at extortion, baka kailangan magpatayo pa ng 100 bilangguan to accommodate them.
Count me in, Anna.
If we want not to be Burma in the future maybe, just maybe, dapat “lahat ay kakasuhan ng bribery at extortion”, maski “kailangan magpatayo pa ng 100 bilangguan to accommodate them.”
Ka Enchong and the rest of you…when the issue of pardon was being discussed and talked about, we didn’t hear much from you guys. Obviously, you guys were only using Erap to oust GMA. Now that Erap is pardoned, saka kayo maingay. Bakit noon at kahit na sa nakaraang ilang araw, bihira o wala man isa dito ang tutol sa pardon ni Erap. Erap’s name was always mentioned here not for anything else but to use him against GMA. Hypocrites of the highest level!
“Kung lahat ay kakasuhan ng bribery at extortion, baka kailangan magpatayo pa ng 100 bilangguan to accommodate them.”
so ok na lang?
Ka Enchong, I know there are a lot of us who believe that — even Dean Bocobo, whom many here don’t appreciate believes so too.
Penchanco,
Don’t make sweeping statements because I personally posted my own thoughts on the matter right here in Ellen’s blog!
You have a right to your opinion and I respect that but you must respect the opinion of others and far from calling them/us hypocrites, you must acknowledge once and for all that there is a growing consensus here that both mega stars of Philippine politics are using their dramas to inflict more damage on the Filipino psyche.
Time we stopped being used as tools by these politicians of little moral fiber!
Equalizer: For Pete’s sake iba ang Rape sa Political Plunder. Dapat kay Jalosjos di lang selda kundi bitay. Ang kay Jalosjos “Libog” ang kay Erap “Libo Libo”, magkaiba yon.
Pechanco: Amigo mukang minority tayo ngayon.
Who are we to judge and decide what is good for Erap or anyone, di naman tayo ang nakakulong, di naman tayo ang ginigisa, di naman tayo ang may nanay na may sakit, di naman tayo.
Thank God ,Tita Cory didn’t pardon Marcos after Edsa 1.We still have EDSA 1 as that one glorious moment in our history.
EDSA 2 was a farce.
Hindi pa pala ako tapos…
Pechanco,
Hindi ko bata si Erap but if you noticed, binibira ko ng husto ang grupong nagpatalsik sa kanya because, like Anna, he is/was the duly elected president of the Philippines. I hate that the Constitution was trumpled upon just because the elite and others did not want Erap.
When Sandigan released a guilty verdict on Erap, mas maingay ang blog na ito because we believed that it was unfair…the biggest crook in the person of Gloria was orchestrating the special court. Naparusahan si Erap, si Gloria ay nambababoy.
For me, it’s about time na pakawalan natin si Erap sumandali, let him pursue what he wants to do in his remaining years. If politically, he can still guide the nation into a good (another) start, let him show it again. Open ang blog na ito sa kanyang gagawin kung meron man.
“Almost everybody” here is on the side of seeking for truth and justice, not personalities.
Who knows, baka nga meron siyang iniisip na iba kesa sa isipan ng ilan. Meantime, his main excuse for asking pardon was his mother, let’s give him enough space to be sad and think.
The Equalizer,
I was not with Edsa 2 and never would have been — but if you were there in support of Gloria, I agree with you if you say that “EDSA 2 was a farce.”
Bato-bato sa langit ang tamaan ay huwag magagalit. What sweeping statement? If you were offended, then you’re among them, AdeBrux. Okay, aside from you, who complained against Erap’s pardon before and lately? Walang masyado. Puro laman dito kawawa si Erap at masama si GMA. Am I not correct to say that there were some of you who used Erap against GMA? Same way as they used other personalities against Erap when he was the president? And we could also go back to Marcos when Ninoy was used against the former. Kung hindi nanalo sa kaso si Erap, reklamo. Kung ginigipit siya, reklamo. Kung ayaw palayain, reklamo. Ngayon bigyan ng pardon, reklamo pa rin.
…because, like Anna, I believe that…
To calm you down, I would like to tell you Pechanco that I was not offended, was just setting the record straight…
Both Edsa One and Two are farse. The same groups of people and forces that ousted the two leaders. And the same groups now trying to oust GMA with the exception of a few like Ramos who continue to control her and the government. There’s no dispute that GMA is the most evil and the worst fake leader. Iyan ang dapat natin trabahuin…ang mapatalsik siya ASAP. Erap is now history. Like Marcos, history would be kinder to Erap.
Anyway, as you say, Erap has been given the pardon, so what is the problem? Surely there is just more than you who’s happy about that? I am too but not for the same reason, not because Erap is my hero…
Sino sa mga kontra sa Eraps pardon:
Visited him while he is in jail,
Sent him a birthday card, christmas card.
Prayed for him, for his health and others..
AdeBrux, a student should not argue with her teacher. Makinig ka sa akin para mataas palagi ang grades mo. I like you since the beginning. Wala tayong away. Instead of calming me down, please help me calm down the others by explaining to them that Erap was compelled to seek pardon because he believes this is the right thing to do. Let’s respect his decision na lang. At this point, ang mas mahalaga sa kanya makapiling ang kanyang ina at pamilya. He deserves rest and peace. Ibigay na lang natin sa kanya iyan alang-alang man lang sa mga ibang kabutihan ginawa niya sa bayan simula pa noong artista siya at mayor ng San Juan. Erap is not that bad. He was a victim of politics and evil people. Let’s not blame him for his decision no matter how unpopular it could be. Wala na kasing pag-asa sa judiciary at kung hindi People Power, seeking pardon is the only and last option.
Totie,
I’ve been advocating for the rule of law to be re-established ever since Erap’s rights were violated in Jan 2001 just as my letter which was publsihed by The Daily Tribune in May 2005 showed:
Monday, 10 24, 2005
Dear Editor:
When lawyer Alan Paguia said Estrada was removed unconstitutionally, he was disbarred by the Supreme Court (SC).
Now, it seems people have come to their senses — they are coming to the same conclusion or are at least, asking the question.
The breakdown in social and political disorder of the magnitude we see today started from the day the Constitution was breached by the very people who were supposed to uphold it for the common “tao” — President Estrada is almost incidental.
What the justices of SC, the Vice President (Gloria at the time), the generals, the legislature and the civil society did — the manipulating and the plotting by a few from these institutions to bring down the presidency, no matter who he was or how he behaved with women, without due process of law — is totally unacceptable. That they should try the President and send him to the gallows if found guilty —without shortcircuiting the Constitution — would have been the right and the only moral thing to do.
It’s never too late for a nation to rectify a collective moral and legal wrong.
Great moral courage
THE DAILY TRIBUNE
Tuesday, 05 11, 2004
Dear Mr. Allan Paguia:
I am one of the people who admire your great moral courage and have been following your articles faithfully on the toppling or the unseating of the constitutionally, duly democratically-elected President of the Philippines, Joseph Estrada, in your column, The Rule of Law.
As the impeachment process against President Estrada was being debated upon in Congress, I was one of the citizens of the republic avidly awaiting the democratic process to conclude. Alas, no such process or conclusion came about. Instead, I watched in utter dismay and helplessness, the events leading to the toppling of a legally-elected President without due process or rule of law.
I was in despair and literally in tears because I felt the injustice not only to President Estrada had been grievously committed but also to the millions who had elected him. I was in despair because I was a living witness to an injustice committed against others like me who, perhaps were not ardent supporters of the Estrada presidency but who sincerely believed that due process of law should have prevailed, that the trial in Congress against Estrada should have come to a legal conclusion.
It really didn’t matter if it was the Estrada presidency. The people who had wronged him had in reality wronged those who believed the Philippine Constitution should have been respected above and beyond any personal consideration.
I am not a lawyer and cannot argue the case with a lawyer’s jargon. I am a simple, concerned and terribly hurt citizen of the republic.
But this is what I am certain: In our country of more than 80 million people, there are millions and millions of those like me, hurt to the core of their being, who seriously despise the members of the so-called civil society led by self-serving, arrogant, pompous media and business clubs in Makati, the religious sectors led by the unholy alliance of Cardinal Sin and former President Aquino, the irresponsible and coward leaders of the Armed Forces of the Philippines-Philippine National Police led by the supreme traitor and mutineer, then AFP chief Angelo Reyes, those members of the legislature led by Joker Arroyo, Teofisto Guingona Jr., Manuel Villar, Robert Barbers, et. al. whose honor as legislators and politicians are as dubious as the values of the Klu Klux Klan.
And there were Davide and Panganiban along with the most despicable, scheming, power-grabbing couple in the country — Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo and consort.
Gloria Arroyo and Davide lied and cheated; they abused the authority and utilized their positions, vested in them by the republic for their personal selfish ends; they buffooned our political institutions for the sake of political and media glory; they deceived our people to satisfy their exteme lust for power; their misplaced values have exposed our nation to moral depravation; they breached the moral contract which binds the state and its citizens; they further divided an already fragmented society; they oppressed the masses who could not speak their language; they led us and future generations of Filipinos to financial ruin and exposed our poor but honorable country, our brave and hardworking people to international ridicule and shame.
To me, they possess neither honor nor courage — they committed treason against the nation pure and simple. They have done the republic a great wrong which they will never ever be able to right and inflicted wounds on its people which will take a long time to heal.
History will judge them as the plotters and the collaborators of evil who have absolutely no moral right to invoke the name of God.
Lahat ay may kanya-kanyang dahilan at karapatan na matuwa at maiinis sa pagpardon kay Erap. Basta ang kay Erap ay malaya na siya na gawin ang pwedeng niyang gawin, at kasama na diyan sigurado ako ay ang PARA SA BAYAN!
Bato-bato sa langit ang tamaan ay DAPAT magagalit.
“The presidential pardon for Erap has finally given legitimacy to the arroyo administration.Cong Nograles”.
Straight from the horse’s mouth!
May nagpagamit,may gumamit!
There is a sucker born everyday!
Pechanco,
Sabagay, tama ka rin “Let’s not blame him for his decision no matter how unpopular it could be. Wala na kasing pag-asa sa judiciary at kung hindi People Power, seeking pardon is the only and last option.”
I suppose one cannot blame 70-yr old Erap for seeking pardon because he knew he has no more hope in the country’s justice system.
Sabihin na ni Nograles ang gusto niyang sabihin, pero sa mata at paniniwala ng tao ILLEGITIMATE pa rin si Gloria as president. NOT ONCE, BUT TWICE!!!!
“I suppose one cannot blame 70-yr old Erap for seeking pardon because he knew he has no more hope in the country’s justice system.”
Anna,
Yan ang totoo niyan! And Erap did say that in his interview. So bakit nya gugustuhing mabulok pa sa kulungan knowing that he cannot get any FAIR JUSTICE in the system.
luzviminda:by asking for pardon,Erap accepted the legitimacy of gloria pidal as “president”.
sad but true!
That’s right, Luz.
Hindi iyan mabubura sa isipan ng tao. For that alone, panalo pa rin si Erap.
The Equalizer,
Theres a good discussion about that over at “Mga Sinungaling” thread.
remember that the three justices hwo handled the case in Sandiganbayan were aspiring to sit in the Supreme Court. So kung mauupo sa SC, imposibleng kontrahin nila ang decision nila ginawa sa Sandiganbayan. Erap I believe did the BEST thing!
I really admire Nelson Mandela,a great MORAL leader.He stayed in prison for 27 years in Robben Island prison because of his principles.Never asked for pardon from the despotic white apartheid government in South Africa.
On the island, he and others performed hard labour in a lime quarry. Prison conditions were very basic. Prisoners were segregated by race, with black prisoners receiving the fewest rations.
Adebrux, Thanks. That has been my point ever-since, concern of the blatant destruction of the 86 constitution, which starts from the day they walked out during the impeachment hearing that Davide intentionally failed to restore the order. He could have prevented it right from the beginning if he ordered them to return to the court or else cite them with contempt.
Erap is not a saint but compared to the current tenant, he is a choir boy.
Actually, I have never heard Erap or even Jinggoy address Gloria as ‘president’. Ang tawag sa kanya ay Gng. Arroyo or Mrs. Arroyo.
The Equalizer,
I don’t believe the white authority of South Africa then would have given him freedom even if he asked for pardon.
No less than Maggie Thatcher (whom I admire apart from this episode), called Nelson Mandela terrorist and for as long as Mandela remained in prison, the UK was the only country that didn’t execute embargoe on South Africa.
In that sense, I believe no pardon was offered as no pardon was sought either.
Totie,
Marami tayo na pareho ang thinking re the Erap presidency, his toppling, his incarceration and eventually his “pardon”.
As far as I’m concerned, it will do this nation good if we all (even Erap if he can) unite to bring back rule of law by first forcing Gloria to resign or be toppled so the country can start anew, i.e., snap election.
if no one will issue the call, i will. EDSA shrine this weekend. saturday and sunday. be there.
Makikisabat lang po…
@Sir Equalizer:
Yes, Nelson Mandela did spend 27 years in Robben Island, but he did not have a dying mother to think about…
Wala namang nakakaalam sa atin kung ano talaga ang nasa isipan ni Pangulong Erap, kahit pa gumamit tayo ng mahiwagang bolang kristal o anupaman. Hindi naman siguro porke humingi siya ng pardon kay Gloria eh “ibinenta” na niya ang bayan. Ano bang alam natin sa mga susunod na mangyayari.
Ang sa akin lang po eh maghinay-hinay tayong lahat at mag-concentrate sa talagang layunin ng lahat: ang pagpapatalsik kay Gloria Arroyo sa lalong madaling panahon. Wala na tayong panahon para magtalu-talo pa.
Hayaan na natin si Erap, tutal he suffered so much humiliation na with this crook regime, let us now focus with Gloria who is the most evil, wicked bitch. Ang wish ko lang kapag si Gloria na ang nakakulong eh wala ng pardon pardon..
Hahahahahah! “Ang wish ko lang kapag si Gloria na ang nakakulong eh wala ng pardon pardon..”
what happened? akala ko ba kahit kelan di hihingi ng pardon si erap? bakit bumaliktad? this is a sad day in our history as one person idolized by millions of filipinos eventually stooped down and made a deal with the devil.
“No less than Maggie Thatcher (whom I admire apart from this episode), called Nelson Mandela terrorist and for as long as Mandela remained in prison, the UK was the only country that didn’t execute embargo on South Africa.MBW
Poetic justice!A statue of former South African President Nelson Mandela was recently unveiled in London Parliament Square.
Prime Miniter Gordon hailed Mr Mandela as the “greatest and most courageous leader of our generation”.
Right! Erap is a chapter in history… let’s start writing the next chapters and I believe all of us agree that we should now train all guns on the total destruction of the bogus presidency.
Hah! The Equalizer, are you now declaring that Erap might enjoy the same poetic justice in the future?
A statue of former President Joseph Estrada unveiled in Malacanang gardens or in Edsa?
Hahahah!
On lighter side: Sign sa to be empty detention cell ni Erap. “Wanted Tenant?”
Applicants:
Chavit Singson
2 Star General Assperon
Chairman Abalos
Jose Garfield De Venecia, Jr.
General Mendoza
Pidal Arroyo
pakidagdagan na lang..
AdeBrux:Hard to have erap’s statue that will capture his enigmatic personality!
Il a les cheveux tellement gras que son peigne fait du cholesterole.
Hahahahahahah!
ShivaRN,
Meron pa bang magpa-pardon ke Gloria? Yes, iyung mga labas sa “almost everybody” believes Gloria is impakta!
Train our guns on Gloria until her brain is paralyzed and can move no more!
Ne parlons pas de sa moustache!
Totie, isama mo na rin sa list mo si Hello Garci, Linta Bedol, Toting Bunyeta, Ronaldo Puno, isama mo narin Si Nerita….
I was in EDSA 2, & I am so maaaaad at that pardon of Erap ! That mother f*cker in Malacanang will screw anything & anyone to stay in power ! The only word I can come up with, worse than “Political Prostitute”, is “Gloria” !
TOTIE :gawin na natin iyong movie na sinangest mo sa blog ni ricky( isama mo na ang latest episode”Madame President,I will never ask for pardon!(joke only)”)
Adebrux:
A statue of former President Joseph Estrada unveiled in his Tanay Villa.
Oh ano? masama ba. Ha ha ha ha
Chabs,
I believe the Move On Crowd will prevail… all of us, the Oust Gloria Crowd, can only cling to the hope that she too would be ousted, the sooner, the better.
“But Malacañang officials said granting pardon to Estrada was a reconciliatory move that could finally pave the way to unity.”
The Opposition was the people all this time. What reconciliation are these Idiots talking about ?!?!
Totie,
Naku, ok yan — statue of Erap in Tanay! Magiging tourist spot kaagad ang Tanay.
Pag si Glorya ang makukulong …. ang magpa-pardon sa kanya ay si Tabako…. lol. Kasi siya ang nagpa-upo sa kanya na Pekeng Pangulo. Saka amoy Tabako talaga sila.
Si Fatso ay sa koral na lang ng Baboy ikukulong kasi sa laki ng tiyan dehins kayang lumundag.
Equalizer: Eto nga at mag start na akong magraise ng funds, kinausap ko na ang friend ko to write the screenplay. Si Michael Stewart yung author ng “Monkey Shines”. This time, the Pinoy version.
But seriously, look for what I was saying, Chavit will be dropped like a hot potato and he shall become Gloria’s new goat. Watch it…
Ans, I was so pissed off when I heard the news !%$?#@& that I could have boxed any human being I saw walking today. I am livid & angry !!
“Yes, iyung mga labas sa “almost everybody” believes Gloria is impakta!” – yeah maybe si Villar and yung mga nagpapanggap na opposition.
Today,I remember Ninoy Aquino for also being a great moral leader.Eight years in prison for his principles.No deals with the dictator.
Totie,
Tanungin mo naman si Loida about her opinion.
Alam mo ba na Loida autographed the biography of Reginald for Erap (ako pa ang nagbigay kay Erap noon) when he was VP with the words, “Dear Mr Vice President,” tapos she crossed out the word “Vice”…
Chabs,
No wonder, Gloria is scared to go out… she knows someone might punch her from nowhere. Heheheh!
Ha!Ha!Ha! Masyadong malalim para magkarun ng unity with Gloria.
Gloria, nag-iisa ka na! Kaya ipinagpilitan niya ang pardon ke Erap.
Alis d’yan, impakta!
Si Chavit ang isusunod na isa-salvage. Tignan niyo na lang ang nangyari sa kanyang Pinsan. May nagawa ba ang mga tauhan ng Pinsan niya. Si Berdugo gumagapang na at susuwagin na si Chavit …. lahat ay may katapusan.
AdeBrux, Equalizer: Apektado din ako ng Pardon, alam nyo kasi siya ang nag officiate ng civil wedding ko, sabi ko sa Misis ko dahil convicted na si Erap, di na valid ang kasal namin, pero eto na Pardon, valid na naman.
Anak ng Kueteng
“Naku, ok yan — statue of Erap in Tanay! Magiging tourist spot kaagad ang Tanay.”
Warning:Remember what happened to the Mount MarcosNoMore monument in La Union!
Darn, didn’t even get to see that Mount Marcos and it’s already gone?
kahit na sino po ang umupo hindi na po mababago ang Pilipinas.
Papaano’y puro nakawan ang nagyayari kaya ipagdasal na lang natin ang ating inang bayan .
Hahahahahahahah! Kumontik na akong malaglag sa silya ko Totie sa tawa!
“Apektado din ako ng Pardon, alam nyo kasi siya ang nag officiate ng civil wedding ko, sabi ko sa Misis ko dahil convicted na si Erap, di na valid ang kasal namin, pero eto na Pardon, valid na naman.”
Ang doggie ko nag panic!
Whahahahaaa, Ans ! With Gloria, I’ll spit at her ! She just brings out the worse in me. Gosh, Ans, I am so angry that I think I’m going nuts..gotta get some water & breathe ! Catcha.
Anna: Rest assured I will tawagan ko. She is so busy with HIll’s candidacy.
otie: kunin mo si Karl Rove,the Dirty Tricks strategist ni Bushie sa papel ni ronnie D’Puno.
Ang totoo niyan ay natakot ng husto si Gloria sa “bomb me” because “almost everybody” believed that she did it.
Kaya gumawa na naman siya ng another diversion…pardon Erap!
Good night to the AntiGMA and Pro Erap crowd:
I love you all!Pareho,pareho tayong Pinoy.Pango ang Ilong!
Will call it a day!hi-blood ako ngayon.
Mabuhay ang Pilipinas!
# AdeBrux Says:
October 25th, 2007 at 11:12 pm
Pechanco,
Sabagay, tama ka rin “Let’s not blame him for his decision no matter how unpopular it could be. Wala na kasing pag-asa sa judiciary at kung hindi People Power, seeking pardon is the only and last option.”
I suppose one cannot blame 70-yr old Erap for seeking pardon because he knew he has no more hope in the country’s justice system.
—-That’s my student. Kaya paborito kita. Anyone who agrees with us? Pagbigyan na natin si Erap. He deserves the pardon. Let him enjoy his remaining life. Let’s not judge him…let God be the judge.
Equalizer: Okay yan, and yung dating Governor namin dito sa New Jersey na nagladlad publicly na bading si McGreevey as “Neri”
Inuuto mo na naman ako ha, Pechanco? But never mind, my sympathies to both sides: the pro and anti Erap. As far as I am concerned, I’m anti Gloria. Heh!
Nograles, wake up. you must be dreaming. reconcilliation in the truest sense of the word can never be achieved in the philippnes for as long as we have government officials who continue to enrich themselves illegally while and try to cover their acts at the expense of innocent civilians.
Manuel Buencamino in http://www.uniffors.com/?p=1131 has a very good view of what happened. Here it is:
Why did they prosecute Erap if they never intended to carry out his sentence if he was found guilty?
Erap was detained for 6 years, while going through trial and awaiting his verdict. And now that he has been found guilty and sentenced, he won’t serve a day of his sentence.
So his prosecution was just persecution. Because they never intended to punish and jail him for his crimes anyway.
Why did they charge him in the first place?
Because they needed a legal reason to detain him, to keep him from moving around the country to campaign for Fernando Poe and from rallying the masses against Gloria.
What we have here is not the rule of law; it is the ruse of law.
Congratulations Erap, I can’t blame you for doing whatever it took to win your freedom.
Screw you Gloria, for taking the country for a ride.
Gloria screwed millions from the very start… Never thought she was up to something good, never!
oh c’mon youre such an idoit mrs president for granting that pardon to erap.hindi m man lng inicip and magi2ng epekto nito..what is law for?kung hindi ipa2tupad ng tama at patas sa lahat ng Pilipino..Paano naman ung mga mahi2rap na gumawa ng mga krimen ng pagnanakaw dahil sa kahirapan? hindi ba nila deserve ang pardon? that decicion only shows na ang batas ay may kinikilingan..Ksalnan lahat ito ni Secretary Puno..masyadong sulsol..Shame on u Mr. Secretary..!!!Palibhasa e dati k ding tauhan ni erap..Doble kara ka..Cge lang mkinig ka sa mga sulsol xeo madam President may paglalagyan ka..Plunder cases are also waiting for you after your term.
Pechanco, kanina pa ako agree sa iyo. God is the ultimate judge!
Erap’s pardon doesn’t lessen the sins of Gloria before God and the Filipino people. While it may be good for Erap personally, the pardon only bolsters the claim that the rule of law under Gloria’s regime is blind or selective. What’s she trying to prove?
They said that Erap should at least admit his guilt 1st before pardon:
For all his (Erap’s) faults and sins, I believe that plunder is not one of them. That is why he never agreed to fly out of the country and live in exile when he was offered several times by Nani Perez. He believes that in a fair and impartial court, he will be acquitted. Erap submitted himself to the court of law! (however farce one sees it). He gave the law a chance to work despite his misgivings on how the special court was created. He let himself be incarcerated for 6 years and was hoping that his perception of the special court was wrong. Erap believes that he is innocent of the “trump up” charges against him, so why will he admit???
Why did Erap agreed on asking GMA for pardon (by the way, he didn’t sign the letter but let his lawyer sign it):
Because his perception of the special court is in fact true! That it was meant to convict him from day 1 when it was created. And also because his chances of acquittal from the Supreme Court headed by justice Puno is 0% chance. Puno as we all know was the ponente in the ruling that said Erap is deemed resigned through “constructive resignation” (based on Sen. Angara’s “diary” that was published in the papers), thus “legitimizing” GMA’s presidency. So why will he allow
himself to rot in jail because some justices who are beholden to GMA said so. They said Erap is stupid, well, he is not, at least not this time. (one step backward,
two steps forward???)
By the way, who is the prosecution’s star witness? And on what basis did the Sandiganbayan special court justices come up with a guilty verdict (despite having shown to all in a televised reenactment that it is impossible for one person (Atong Ang) to deliver P 130M in cold cash to Erap’s house as alledged by the “star witness”)? Please click on the links below….
http://www.ellentordesillas.com/?p=855
http://www.ellentordesillas.com/?p=1314
One thing is sure in goria’s mind. I-pardon din siya. Goes to show, alam niyang mabigat ang kanyang mga kasalanan. Walang kapatawaran pero inunahan na niya, baka sakaling yong papalit sa kanya’y tularin siya. Kung katulad nilang dalawa siguro na may mga pagkakamali sa bayan ang uupo, baka pa. Eh sino kayang malinis ang papalit sa kanya? Hirap na katanungan na panahon lamang ang makapagsasabi.
Alam naman nating lahat na sa umapisa pa lang ay politika ang dahilan ng pagkakakulong kay Erap. At hindi naman siya talaga kriminal. So pabayaan na natin siyang lumaya. Maybe he can do more for the country now that he is out and free. In the first place, the EDSA 2 people ang may kasalanan kung bakit tayo nagdudusa ng ganito sa illegal na pamamahala ni Gloria. Our goal is PATALSIKIN SI GLORIA!!!!
kasama mo ako diyan luz politika lang talaga ang dahilan ng pagkakulong ni erap at kahit ano pa ang sabihin kay erap pa rin ako sumasama rin ang loob ko kung sinasabi nilang magsama na sila ni gma kung kayo kaya ang katayuan din ni pangulong erap ano kaya ang masasabi niyo?
Pechanco,
For a number of reasons, nothing was heard from me for quite awhile. If there ever was a discussion here on the issue of pardon and I did not join, it should not be taken to mean that I agree with pardon.
One more issue is that pardon presupposes guilt. When the guilty verdict was discussed here, I recall, I was one among those who aired disbelief. Erap may or may not be guilty, but I am not convinced that he was proven guilty of plunder beyond reasonable doubt.
I did not like Erap as President, but, since he was elected, he had my humble support- up until all those controversies started haunting him. Then, my wish was for his impeachment and eventual conviction.
I cannot recall ever having expressed preference for Erap here in this blog. My stand has always been against Aling Gloria’s misdeeds.
Ginamit si Erap para kalabanin si Aling Gloria? Hindi kaya, ginamit ni Aling Gloria si Erap para hatiin ang sambayanang nakamasid sa bawat galaw niya?
Hypocrites? Aren’t we all?
Ka Echos este Enchong, bihira ka kasi pumasyal dito kaya late sa balita. You might have expressed your opinion disagreeing with Erap’s pardon in the past but I don’t recall having read it. Napansin ko lang na iilan lang o wala ang tumutol sa pardon ni Erap noon dito sa blog. All the while akala ko all out ang support natin sa taong nahalal ng 11 million na tao at inagawan ng puwesto. Ngayon ma-pardon siya saka nag-iingay ang ilan. My question is…if he did not seek for pardon and is not pardoned, what’s next? Gagamitin lang ba siya ng mga kaaway ni GMA habang nasa Tanay siya? Hypocrites? Ikaw lang at ilan diyan…huwag mo akong isali. I’m quite consistent with my position. Hindi ako Black & White…ngayon puti bukas itim.
‘Yan ang totoo. Bihira ako mapasyal ngayong mga panahong ‘to. Lalo na siguro next week. Hindi ko nabasa ‘yung diskusyon tungkol sa pardon. Ngayon ko lang nakita itong usapang ‘to. Ang natatandaan ko, yung diskusyon sa Guilty verdict. Sabi ko noon, kung graft and corruption lang ang usapan, beyond reasonable doubt ang guilt, pero plunder?
Hindi naman pagtatalunan ang suporta sa kanya bilang halal na pangulo. Tungkulin yan ng bawat Pinoy habang siya ang nakaupo. At least, he had an overwhelming margin when he assumed office.
Without the Arroyos ‘ clandestine maneuvers (and Davide’s subsequent “blessing”) in 2001, I would have taken pride for wishing it would succeed. Shame on me for being fooled by the Arroyos!
Honestly, hindi ko makita ang kaugnayan ng “support natin sa taong nahalal ng 11 million na tao at inagawan ng puwesto.” sa usapin ng pardon.
Since joining Ellenville, I have also been consistent with my stand- pero, what has that got to do with hypocrisy- hypocrisy being defined by dictionary dotcom as a pretense of having a virtuous character, moral or religious beliefs or principles, etc., that one does not really possess?
And while at it, what’s wrong if someone else changes his stand after realizing that he was wrong?
Without the Arroyos ‘ clandestine maneuvers (and Davide’s subsequent “blessing”) in 2001, I would have taken pride for wishing EDSA Dos would succeed. Shame on me for being fooled by the Arroyos!
Ka Chong, bihira ka na nga dito mainit pa ang ulo mo. Tell me, why don’t you agree on Erap’s pardon? Kung siya nga pumayag, tayo pang mga taga-masid lang? Some of you can scream on top of your voice like those anti-Erap pardon groups; but he’s now free. That’s what matters most. Gosh, they are even planning to appeal the “pardon” to the Supreme Court. I can’t understand these people. When he was inside, they want him out. Now that he’s out, they want him in.
Hehehe.. ikaw naman. Di naman mainit ang ulo ko, ako pa.
Erap has his reasons for doing what he did, and I understand that.
Pardon has its implications:
1. It presupposes guilt for plunder. The government, with all its resources, failed to prove that beyond reasonable doubt- remember, we were one in saying that the guilty verdict is unfair? Ngayon, he just accepted what we cannot accept for him.
2. If Erap is indeed guilty as charged, this pardon granted to him creates a dangerous precedent. Nobody would want to see Aling Gloria pardoned once she gets convicted in the future.
3. It encourages the culture of impunity we are currently embroiled in.
BTW, I don’t think that the people who want him out are the same as the people who want him in.
His being free would probably matter, but I disagree that this is what matters most. I agree with FVR when he said that this issue is beyond Erap and Aling Gloria.
Peace tayo, Art.
Mga kababayan, mga kalahi, kaunti pong lamig!
Bakit hindi po natin bigyang pagsusuri ang dahilan ng pardon at tignan po natin sa anggulo at posibleng partisipasyon ni GMA?
Bakit naman? Kasi, si Ronnie the Tree ang lumaro nito at ito’y siyento por siyento, may basbas ng amo.
Dahil naisagawa ang plano at nabigyan ng pardon, tagumpay na naman po sina GMA sa kanilang divide and conquer operation. May natutuwa, may galit at may naa-awa.
Patuloy po nilang pinaglalaruan ang ating bansa at pinaga-away tayong mga Pilipino.
Huwag na po tayong lumayo, dito na lang sa blog na ito, di po ba tagumpay sila dahil ang Ellenville ay medyo nayanig ng usaping ito.
Kung dito na ang mga contributors ay masasabi po nating may sustansya ang mga pahayag ay nayanig, ano pa kaya ang haka haka ng iba na kapos sa kaalaman?
Let’s give Erap the benefit of the doubt. Lahat ng nasa script na ibinigay ni Ronnie the Tree ay dapat niyang e-emote at huwag siyang mag-a-adlib. Pag nag-adlib, balik sa Tanay. Paano naman ang maysakit na nanay? Make sense?
Let’s move on, people. At peace po sa lahat!
I’m neither pro o anti-Erap, but like Anna and a lot many bloggers here, I have been anti-Arroyo since I can remember, before the fallacious EDSA 2 that I did not support.
Mag-isa nga lang akong kumakalaban in fact (proofs of my arguments are still in the archives of such egroups as OFW-government, pldt, etc. egroups at yahoo) not that I liked Erap but that he was the duly elected president and as long as he was not squandering any public funds (jueteng money is not public fund but accepting it is bribery), it was OK with me except that I was seeing a semblance of the cronies in his government, but with the projects that my friends have been working out with him, I thought then, why not do what was good for the Filipinos since the guy was leaving after finishing his term.
As for being a hypocrite, I won’t categorize myself as such because I have only one standard, the standard of truth and right as defined by the tenets and Gospel of Jesus Christ, whose examples I have tried to follow, because I want to go back to where Our Heavenly Father is, because I am a child of God.
And as such, I know my potentials, etc. and I know what I can do. So far, so good. At least, I am doing something where I am based, and I am grateful for the opportunities that I am getting because the truth is the Japanese are wiser not to allow crooks in the government to suppress freedoms guaranteed by our Constitution and laws that should not have been different from those of the Philippines because they were actually made by Americans!!!
I did not support Erap during his candidacy to the presidency not because he was no college graduate. A college degree for someone like him who had served as Mayor, Senator, and even Vice President would have been enough credentials for the position of president and the support of the people who would be willing to vote for him. What I did not like about him is his infidelity and fornicatious activities. The Bible had been explicit about not blessing a nation if led by fornicators, etc. I thought the Philippines should have been led by someone more righteous and virtuous.
But the people are easy to be misled because they are themselves unrighteous. Pati nga iyong walang makain, nambababae. Worse ngayon, pati mga babae, lalakero!!!
Point is that Filipinos are being conditioned to accept all these second and even third class propositions, etc. as the conditions of this pardon that I did not expect Erap, for all that he is, would accept, and even agree to be branded a criminal pardoned by a fellow criminal.
I would fight to death if I were him. But then, I am not a fornicator, and I consider myself higher in standard of morality based on my faith and tenets of my religion.
Mahirap talaga ang balimbing. Hindi alam kung talagang saan kakapit!
Nakakaawa ang mga pilipino for not having learned and experienced what it is to be really be free—kahit na sa pambababoy ng mga hayop na kurakot at kriminal sa gobyerno nila. At least, dito sa Japan marami pa rin kaming mga honorableng mga public servants na bumababa ng upuan kung nabibisto ang mga kalokohan.
Kawawang bansa!
I thought Erap have learned from his experience in jail. Saan ka nakakita ng ganyan na kinawawa ng lalo pang nagpakawawa at nagpauto pa!!! Yuck!
Kawawang Pilipinas!!! Natambakan ng mga garapal, et al.
Move on? Depende sa move on na sinasabi ng mga tuta ni Pidal na nagba-blog dito to confuse. I’d rather see the Filipinos moving on to remove the criminals now leading them to hell even by force!
Gising na mga tulog!
Anyway, kung gusto ni Erap, pag napalitan ang administrasyon, puede pa rin siyang mag-apela to dismiss his case and consider this pardon by the criminal who put him in jail as null and void!!!
Kawawang mga pilipino, walang mapagpilian! Over in Japan, pag walang mapagpilian, we boycott the election, but people here are more honorable. When the election turnout is low, it is conceived as defiance against the government and the one reigning usually takes it as go-signal that he has to go, and his deputies resign with him.
Tama ka, Atty, that is how a lot many of our leaders are—may honor, delikadeza at dignidad! Magpapakamatay para itayo ang dangal!!!
Sa Pilipinas, mangungurakot pa nga! ;-(
K. E.
I like your arguments. Stick to them. You’re on the right path. Mahirap magbalimbing kaya tama ka. Don’t call yourself a hypocrite, though. You can change from being one as a matter fact by sticking to the standards of truth and right. And I agree with you—there is nothing right about this pardon for Erap, and shame on him for accepting it, even agreeing that he actually has committed a crime!!!
Wow, ang mga logic ng mga corrupt!!! Nakakasulasok!
teka muna may naalala ako kasamang penchanco, kasamang enchong, kahapon ay pinagliwanag ni kasamang penchanco doon sa kabilang thread, na ang dahilan ng pagbibigay ng pardon ni glueria kay erap ay dahil sa tinakot siya ng ink na lulusubin ang malakanyang kung hindi niya ipa-pardon si erap, at ang ink din ang kumumbinsi kay erap na na humingi ng pardon day glueria, dahil ang ink ang ispiritual adviser ni erap,,,, hmmmm,,, sa itaaas ng thread ay binabanggit naman na ang pag-pardon kay erap ay rekomendasyon mula sa doj, tinakot din kaya ng ink ang doj para irekomenda si erap sa pardon, hmmmm, nalalabuan yata ako, at bakit naman ninyo pinag-aawayan nga ang pagka-pardon kay erap, bakit nga ba, hehehehehe,,,,, pagliwanagin nga uli ninyo ang aking kaisipan,,, mga kasama,,,,, heheheehe
Hindi ka mali, K. E. Talagang mali ang ginawa ni Erap for his selfish benefit! Iyong tungkol na lang sa nanay niya na katwiran, pangsariling katwiran iyan. I don’t see it benefitting even those he says are his people—iyong mga mahirap daw! Sa totoo lang, ipinakita lang niya kung papaano sila magpapatuloy na maging alipin ng mga hayop na binoboto nila para sila alipinin!
But then, how can people who have not known being treated properly by public servants to act like the real boss of these public servants? Malabo yata!
At saka anong pakialam ng INK sa usapan ito. Sobra naman ang pagbibigay ng papuri sa grupong ito. Pwe!
Iyong nanloko sa akin sa SFO, INK member, deaconese pa kuno!
Sorry, pasulpot sulpot lang ako! Eto lang ang munting masasabi nang reyna: birds of the same feather they crap together!
ayan kasamang penchanco, may nagagalit na, sino ba ang nagsimulang maglagay ng pakikialam ng ink sa pardon, alam ko hindi ako, dahil nagtanong lang ako buhat sa sinulat ni kasamang penchanco, at napakaganda ng paliwanag niya, ipinagyabang ko nga sa kasama ko sa trabaho na may nagsabi sa akin na pinakialaman daw ng ink ang pardon ni erap, muntik na akong nagulpi, ink pala yung isang katabi ko na nakikinig sa amin, ayan o ,tumalsik ang laway ni ystakei, hehehehe, sino nga ba kasi ang makating dila ang nagsabi sa yo nito, hayan may nagalit na, ayaw ko pa namang may nagagalit sa mga sulat ko, heheheehehehee
Anong people want him in? No one has to be in in the first place if the rule of law is followed, and there definitely is not going to be any of these fake pardons by a criminal herself! Gosh, niloloko na ang mga tao, bakit may nagbibigay pa sa mga kriminal ng justification sa ginagawa nilang kalokohan. Unbelievable! Wala ngang mga moral!
What would sabit swingson’s reaction be on erap’s pardon? Will he turn on the tiyanak? O baka naman tinapalan siya ng maraming pera para manahimik na muna. Basta may pera para sa harem niya, tatahimik na muna si sabit. But I like to see fireworks soon!
Huwag na ninyong isipin kung ano ang reaksyon ni Singson. Puede naman siyang bumalimbing sa totoo lang. Ang tanong dapat, ano ang gagawin ni Estrada kay Singson? Pag sinabi ni Erap na pinapatawad na niya si Sabit at magka-vibes na naman sila, kinana nilang dalawa! Sabi nga ni Reyna, “Birds of the same feather, crap together!!!”
Tama talaga ang Panginoon. Iyong mga fornicators, unless nagsisi ng husto, hindi dapat pinapaniwalaan!
To the Anti-Erap pardon,
So ibig sabihin ay pagpabulok na lang si Erap sa kulungan! Are we being true Christians in this way?
Why is there so much surprises with what happened? This ERAP Trial is not about whether ERAP is guilty or not. This is about the legitimacy of the GMA administration.
How in the world would the court find Erap innocent? To do so is to admit that what happened in 2001 is treason! The Supreme Court under Davide, AFP under Reyes, GMA, FVR, etc… will be held for doing illegal act… punishable by death, if I am not mistaken…
( see… GMA is really a pro in these things… )
To find Erap guilty, under flimsy evidences, would create waves of sympathy from the masses… so how do you solve the problem ?
We have to give it to GMA and her cohorts on how to hit several birds with one stone…
By making sure that Erap is found guilty, they legitimized their treasonous act in 2001… by granting pardon immediately, they vented out the possible wrath of the masses, drove a wedge between the opposition, create a diversionary action from the ZTE, bribery, and Glorietta bombing…, clipped Erap’s possible political comeback, and set a precedence for presidential pardon … para sa kanya when her time to face the courts for all her misdeeds , that is if she does not succeed in her plans to extend her stay in power via Charter Change…
One should really observe how GMA grabbed power and how she managed to get hold of it all this years… THis is how to steal the presidency, and still get away with it…
Bakit may nabubulok ba sa kulungan kung talagang lumalaban? I don’t think so.
I have seen a lot many Japanese in fact who have fought for their right to be heard especially when they know that they are innocent. Nananalo especially if there are people outside who are willing to help with them providing the clues, etc. Ang maganda pa ngang nangyayari, binabayaran sila ng mga damages for wrongful detention, etc.
Kung talagang may yagbols si Erap, dapat ipaglaban niya ang karapatan niya, hindi iyong puro arte lang. Naguguluhan lang ang mga pilipino! Hilong talilong pa ang labas. You bet, it has a lot to do with character building based on the true Gospel of Jesus Christ.
I would rather agree with Pechanco’s opinion on this matter, although some you are weighted down by the sheer, glaring unfairness that would attract more painful attention. I also agreed that it show a deep disregard for the rule of law, when there has been no remorse shown by Erap and no time has been served. How’s this going to fit in judicial legacy?Only history will tell. Since, Erap agreed with the pardon, He’s also generally expected to accept responsibility for his criminal conduct, and should be seeking forgiveness rather than vindication. In the game of politics, at least strategy can get you only so far.
The pardon of Erap is not exactly a chess game, It’s more like a game of chance. Erap’s intends to dismantle the bogus regime of Punggok, is waiting for an opening that may be long in coming. Maybe, just maybe, he can make good use of the clock, trying to consolidate a core opposition movement drawn from across the ideological spectrum and he will face most disadvantages like clouds come with a silver lining. These only compare to a game of chess centers on crisis points of no return ,captured in the chess maxim that pawns can’t move backward. Erap is gambling that a successful opposition will be united by its dislike of the bogus president rather than by ideology, and will be ready to swing into action on underlying problems. But, His I have a dream of Martin Luther exploded into crisis worse than Glorieta explosion. By seeing his dreams without fulfillment he rather applied upon himself that if he could not beat his enemy, he rather join them. Erap does not seem to have many options as far as a plausible resolution is concerned. His masses followers are weak due to malnutrition and are susceptible to disease. They don’t have strength to march and fight for him, but, only his die-hard affluent. Pechanco is right and I stand by his side.
Wow, bilib ka ha! Installment pa ang pardon ni Erap. Tignan natin kung ano na naman ang quid pro quo ang susunod na deal between the craps!
Taragis, kung hindi iyan pang-uulol ng taumbayan, ano iyan
Patalsikin na, now na!
as expected sa pardon din napunta. this is the only way they both get what they want. erap got his freedom and no more charges, arroyo still holds her position as president and the judges still holds their integrity that they convicted erap without bias.
it dont believe that erap can make the sandigan reverse its decision since the supreme court already decided on that when they put arroyo in the presidency. how could the sandigan reverse a decision made by the highest court..its like saying that the supreme court judges dont know what they’re doing.
for me erap has no choice either he stays in jail or ask for pardon. i think one of the reason erap ask for pardon is his mother who is critical. at least he can tell his mother he’s a free man before she dies.
im just wondering what are the conditions set by arroyo to erap hehe
also, is the pardon something to do with the recent controversy to distract the people. kasi it started with the glorietta bombing sabi nila terrorist daw, a group rajah soliman is behind it daw since nobody believe them they say its ayalas fault na lang hehehe now they pardon erap to ease the tension around arroyo whats next if the controversy still continues? abangan…
Thanks Cocoy. Please take note that even though there’s an agreement that Erap would not run for public office again, whether manifested in writing or verbally as part of the condition in granting the pardon, Erap can still legally run for office since his civil and political rights have been restored. Iyan ang medyo tricky. Puwede pang bumuwelta si Erap at pahirapan si Impakta kung gusto niya.
Yes, I believe Puno. They studied this prospect very well for two months or more as to how they can make use of this pardon when the sailing for the unano gets really rough as now with all these scandals, left and right, up and down involving the criminal, her husband, her general, et al!
Plan B, accomplished! What’s the next plan?
Pechanco;
Erap can still legally run for office since his civil and political rights have been restored.
I completely agree with you on that. Maybe, there is some bedroom close door compromised between the two that “I pardon you and you pardon me” on the horizon, Punggok knows that she will be facing a massive havoc and turmoil once she lost power, and whoever she anoint to be a presidential candidate in 2010 is a disaster; no matter how the political machineries is well tuned. well-oiled and with extra gas tank full of gas it won’t reach the finish land and no checkered-flag. I think Lacson is their pain in butt, the architectural plan to demolished him is sub-standard. They need a master to re-design the plan. The environs in Malacanang is cat cat-nose temperature to the electorates, they need some spark plugs to re-start their engines. Who knows maybe, Erap is groomed to be their man and FG the spare tire. Of course! Erap is a sure winner because almost majority plus one of electorate don’t have access in computer literacy, they rather spent money on an stick of Phillip Morris than buying a newspapers. Then after “I pardon you, you pardon me” compromise, Chavit will play an important role for the second time. FG will usurp Erap’s throne and Punggok the first lady. Hehehehe!
Estrada said he will return the “gift of freedom” that “God has so graciously given me by supporting from hereon the programs of President Arroyo that are intended to attack generational poverty and hunger.”
Tama na… Erap!. matutuwa pa ako kung alagaan mo na lang si Doña Mary, dahil likas sa atin mga Pilipino na napagmahal sa Ina. -the end-
Estrada said “We must now attend to our people’s continuing clamor for food on their tables, roofs above their heads and better education and health care for their children.”
Naranasan na ba nina GMA at ERAP na magutom at walang pagkain sa hapag-kainan?
may grand plan si GMA, at may may grand plan si TABAKO…
kawawang sambayanang pilipino…
oh’ Dakilang Lumikha, kaawaan mo ang aming Inang Bayang Pilipinas…
Really, sinabi niya iyan? Diyos mahabagin! Hanggang kailan dapat magdusa ang mga pilipino?
Kaya na nga ayoko ng snap election with Gloria and Erap as the contenders. Ang sabi ko kung makalaya siya, patapos ang term niya but with the kind of yagbols he has, forget it.
Ang galing ng tactic ni GLORC at asawa niya, daig si Hitler. Ang gawa even with the help of the priests and nuns, I guess, ay patayin ang spirit ng isang nakakulong through tortures, etc. Tapos kunyari papangakuan ng kung ano-ano. Kakagat naman ang hirap na hirap na.
I can understand iyong situation ng mga sundalong mababa ang rangko na maliit ang sueldo na walang naipon, pero itong si Erap na mayaman na hindi naman pinahihirapan sa totoo lang, sumuko sa isang kriminal, iyan ang isang kalokohan para sa akin. Mas dapat nag-apela na siya regardless of whether or not the SC would give him consideration or not.
Kaya kahit anong sabihin nila, bilib ako kay Ka Bel. Hindi tuminag. May yagbols talaga. Lumalaban on principles, not any selfish reason. Iyan ang dapat na ini-emulate ng mga pilipino para hindi maging duwag at pahamak!!!
Dapat inisip ni Erap iyong mga namatay noong May 2001 dahil akala nila tunay siya, hindi iyong nanay niya! Palusot pa siya! Pwe!
Gustung-gusto ko nang magmura ng PIN, but I won’t, but I can’t help getting enraged by Erap’s cowardice. Kung sabagay kasi wala naman siyang mga batakan na lalaban para sa kaniya as proven. Wala na iyong mga hindi daw naliligo na lumalamay sa harap ng bahay nila noon di gaya ng mga unyonista ni Ka Bel who would and will fight for his freedom kahit na kalampagin ang mga kaibigan niya sa ibang bansa gaya ng mga mambabatas namin sa Japan.
Hirap talaga ng fornicators. Wala talagang prinsipyo!
For the sake of those who profess to be Christians, but do not read the Bible, here are references on fornicators like Erap, Fatso, Gloria, et al:
The Most High has not changed. Even in this generation He sees, He notices. Nothing escapes Him and He punishes those who disobey His commandments. Let all who read the following prophecies about adulterous behaviour – beware!
No one should delude themselves into thinking that the Ten Commandments are obsolete and that acts of adultery – albeit fashionable – are going to be ignored by the Almighty God. They will not. The Day of Judgement is fast approaching when every unpardoned sin will be punished. This is the day of Salvation. Do not let it slip away and find you still sinning; because adulterers, fornicators, homosexuals etc, will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
The Apostle Paul writes this warning:
“Bakit may nabubulok ba sa kulungan kung talagang lumalaban? I don’t think so.
I have seen a lot many Japanese in fact who have fought for their right to be heard especially when they know that they are innocent”
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Yuko,
You are talking about cases in Japan, iba ang justice sysrem dito sa Pilipinas, alam mo yan! The reality here is kung wala ka sa impluwensiya, mabulok ka sa kulungan. Don’t compare Philipine justice/political system with Japan. Malayong-malayo: Ikaw na rin ang nagsasabi.
Sorry, Luzviminda, you don’t make heroes of the duwag regardless of whether or not there is justice in the Philippines. Hindi naman habang panahon si Gloria sa position sa totoo lang. Kahit sa Muntinlupa may nakakalabas on parole sa totoo lang!
Dapat lang magdusa kung talagang may kasalanan. Kaya lang nga iyong kasalanang ipinapataw kay Erap ay plunder samantalang ang kaso niya dapat ay bribery.
Ngayon, huwag nang magmalaki ang mga pilipino na Kristyano sila tapos aaminin nilang mababa ang moralidad nila. To tell you frankly, dito ang mga tao hindi nagyayabang na religious sila, walang padasal-dasal kuno but I find them more morally upright.
Over here, hindi naboboto ang mga palikero sa totoo lang. Pag nalamang maraming kabit, hindi nirerekomendang tumakbo! At pag nakaupo at nabalitang may kabit, bumababa. Taragis sa Pilipinas, sinabi pang Kristyano kuno, kabit-kabit ang kabit maliban pa sa asawa na daig pa ang mga Moslem tapos sasabihin maka-Diyos!
Patawarin sila ng Panginoon sa pambababastos nila ng religion nila.
Yup, malayung-malayo ang justice system sa Japan, but it is not reason enough for Estrada to find himself the easiest way to be free. Nasira ang akala kong kahanga-hanga niyang katangian—tapang na wala naman pala!!!
At least, iyong tiyo ko lumaban. Kaya hindi nga nagpasa-ilalim sa mga Amerikano when they tried to try him in US court. Sabi ng tiyo ko, ibalik siya sa Pilipinas at doon siya haharap sa korte doon. Kawawa, namatay nang walang laban!!!
Bastusan justice, I agree, pero kung matino kang tao, bakit ka makikiayon?
If only our justice system is FAIR % JUST, Erap will already be a free man when the Sandiganbayan rendered its judgement because they were NOT able to prove his guilt BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT and should be acquitted in the plunder case, therefore, the asking of pardon is not necessary. The pardon thing is the bitter pill to swallow.
“Kawawa, namatay nang walang laban!!!”
Yuko,
Iyan siguro ang ayaw mangyari ni Erap sa kanya.
Agree with Yuko: “Sorry, Luzviminda, you don’t make heroes of the duwag regardless of whether or not there is justice in the Philippines.”
Yuko,
Sabi naman sa iyo na aminado tayo na magkaiba ang Pinas sa Japan, malayong-malayo. Di ba nga!
Yuko,
Ano namang kagaguhan iyang Huling Paalam daw ni Erap na yan?
Akala naman natin na dahil nagbabasa tayo ng bibliya eh mas malinis na tayo sa iba. Hindi lang dapat puro faith, dapat living faith. Tapos kung magmura tayo sa kapwa eh parang wala tayong kinakatakutang Dyos. Kung naniniwala tayo sa Bibliya na binabasa natin dapat maghanap tayo ng paraan para magkaroon ng katahimikan at kapayapaan…hindi puro away at pambabastos…hypocricy ang tawag dyan eh.
Yuko,
I agree with Luz that iba ang justice system sa Japan at sa Pinas — hindi na natin dapat ulit ulitin dahil alam na naman ng lahat.
Maybe Erap does not intend to be a hero this time for asking pardon. Ang mahalaga sa kanya ay ang KALAYAAN!!!Sabi nga there is no substitute for FREEDOM!!! Bayaan na natin siyang lumaya. Ituloy na lang ang laban against Gloria, para Pilipinas naman ang lumaya sa kanyang kamandag!!!
Agree with piping dilat re his post on October 26th, 2007 at 9:03 am
Agree din ako Luz “Bayaan na natin siyang lumaya. Ituloy na lang ang laban against Gloria, para Pilipinas naman ang lumaya sa kanyang kamandag!!!”
Erap is already a past chapter in the nation’s history book, not closed yet but we can choose to ignore him or not, my advice is to put him aside and focus our energy in kicking Gloria out and hard; not make her life easier for her to commit more corruption and continue breaking the rule of law or whatever there’s left of the rule of law.
Mas lalo tayong walang mapapala mabulok man sa kulungan si Erap. Let him do his fight for his masses now that he is free! Basta tayo Tuloy ang laban!Patalsikin si Gloria!
Re: Estrada said “We must now attend to our people’s continuing clamor for food on their tables, roofs above their heads and better education and health care for their children.”
Oy, linya iyan ng aking tunay na Presidente, si FPJ! Buti naman ay naaala-ala ni Erap ang kumpadre.
Petite,
Re: Estrada said he will return the “gift of freedom” that “God has so graciously given me by supporting from hereon the programs of President Arroyo that are intended to attack generational poverty and hunger.
Tama ka, huwag na lang sanang magsalita ng ganito si Erap. Magbantay na lang muna s’ya sa nanay dahil iyon ang kanyang main reason sa paghingi ng pardon.
Nakakaalibadbad ang ganyang mga salita na galing kay Erap.
Chi,
Did Erap really say that? “the “gift of freedom” that “God has so graciously given me by supporting from hereon the programs of President Arroyo that are intended to attack generational poverty and hunger.”
P¤¤¤¤¤¤na! Hahahahahahah!
(Sorry, Chi pwede ba translate naman: What is ‘Nakakaalibadbad ” and another word “nakakakulasok?” I try to translate these words through the context in which they are used but would rather ask para walang mali! — Thanks.)
Malachi 3: 5: And I will come near to you to judgment;
Yuko,
Let God be the judge to those adulterers, tutal hindi naman natin pamilya. Hindi naman tayo directly affected ng kanilang pambababae. Kung yung mga apektado nga di umaangal, tayo pa. Basta tayo pangaralan at pangalagaan natin ang ating kapamilya na huwag masubo sa kasalanan. Pero si Gloria, apektado tayo ng mga kawalanghiyaan at kasalan niya sa taong bayan at patuloy ang paghihirap. Kaya tuloy ang laban!!!
I still want to believe that Erap’s choice was the best under the circumstances. Sa kahihiyang ibinigay sa kanya ni Gloria ay wala ng mawawala pa sa kanya.
Kung meron pa siyang ibubuga sa pulitika at susuportahan pa siya ng kanyang masa, so be it. Kung wala na ay mas mabuting igalang natin ang kanyang pamamahinga. He deserves a good rest, he did his best to run Pinas even if his best was not enough (dahil pinutol din ni Gloria, hindi natin lubos na napatunayan kung hanggang saan ang pwede niyang ipaglingkod sa bayan).
“the “gift of freedom” that “God has so graciously given me by supporting from hereon the programs of President Arroyo that are intended to attack generational poverty and hunger.”
AdeBrux,
Reading between the lines, I think Erap is ready to support the PROGRAMS intended for the poor but NOT to support Gloria. But then sana nga hindi na niya binanggit yung pangalan ng bruha! But then again maybe just for ‘pabalat-bunga’ na lang.
Chi,
Right On!!! Agree!
Anna,
It’s nakakadiring goosebumps!
Kaya mas gusto kong magsulat sa tagalog, sakto ang meaning.
Nasaan ba si Mrivera?
Anna,
nakakasulasok is like suppressing the throat with dirt.
Thanks very much, Chi! Oo nga, where is Magno? Haven’t seen him in weeks. Baka bakasyon?
Anna,
Nakakasulasok means ‘Nakakaduwal’ o ‘nakakasuka’.
Agree din ako Luz “Bayaan na natin siyang lumaya. Ituloy na lang ang laban against Gloria, para Pilipinas naman ang lumaya sa kanyang kamandag!!!”
Anna, sinabi na nga niyang he will do a Miriam, Enrile and Angara. Huwag ninyo nang asahan ang wagdung ito. Basta ang labas niya, wala siyang yagbols!!!
Kawawang Pilipinas!
This is Anna’s statement not mine. Iyong kasunod, akin! 😛
BTW, everytime I open Ellen’s blog, may lumalabas na cookies especially if you use Internet Explorer. Fortunately, naka-open ang aking spyware and firewall. Ingat kayo sa bugs!
Yuko,
Talaga? “Anna, sinabi na nga niyang he will do a Miriam, Enrile and Angara. ”
Sinabi ba niya talaga na he wild do a Miriam, et al?
Thanks Luz for the translation.
Luz,
Sasabihin ko na ito dahil sa mga pangyayari. Ang aking tiyuhin, kapatid ni tatay, ay nagsilbing chief of fire dept. ni Erap when he was San Juan mayor. Ang tagal nilang nagsama sa tanggapan. I still remember that tuwing piesta ng San Juan ay nakikita ko si Erap in my uncle’s house, short visit ba for the visitors. Bahay-bahay daw iyan…
Anyway, sa laki ng pinagsamahan nila ay hindi ibinoto ng tiyuhin ko si Erap bilang presidente. Why? Kasi raw, sa bait ni Erap sa tao ay tiyak na maloloko lang! Nangyari nga. His kabaitan was his flaw…it’s not a bad flaw for me. 🙂
Luz,
Dasal ka since you are religious as you say. Try to feel the prompting of the Spirit of God. Makikita mo ang diperensiya. OK na rin at nakilala na ang tunay na pagkatao ni Asiong Salonga of the movies. Hindi pala kasingtapang ni Asiong. Parang dugong aso din pala.
Frankly, I don’t agree to his agreeing to a pardon para daw ipagpatuloy ang laban niya sa labas? Sinong niloloko niya? Dayaan din pala ang alam niya.
Mahirap talaga ang kabilanin sa totoo lang. Sabi nga, “Who will you serve, God or Mammon? Matthew 6:24
Sinabi niyang kasama na siya ni GLORC sa fight against poverty, etc. pakulo. Bakit niya sasabihin iyon? If that is not joining the GLORC like what his political advisers did, what is?
Someone has actually posted his endorsement for GLORC in this blog. Pakibasa na lang.
Chi,
Totoo yan sa sobrang bait ni Erap kaya din siya napapahamak, but then I believe Erap did the best he could para sa mahal niyang mga kababayan lalo na sa mga mahihirap. So for me He can do more in serving the poor and the needy now that he is free. Huwag na natin siyang husgahan.
Of course, you let God do the judgment, Luz, but God has warned us likewise against tolerating them and being one of them in spirit and all!!!
Huwag na siyang husgahan? OK lang, pero dapat huwag siyang gayahin ng mga may dangal at puri pang mga pilipino! Mahirap ang ganyang mga ehemplo. Diyan nasisira ang mga matitino sa Pilipinas!!!
Yuko,
Hindi ako religious, but i try my best to practice Christianity though I know it’s tough. I try to understand people who deserve understanding and compassion the best I can. Wala naman akong mapapakinabang kung mabulok si Erap sa kulungan. For me, i want to let him do his good intentions for the poor now that he is free. Hindi tulad ni Gloria na dapat na siya naman ang magdusa dahil sa patuloy na nagpapahirap at nangaabuso sa taong bayan.
Mamamahinga na lang si Estrada. Wala rin pala siyang ibubuga. Dadagdag pa siya sa gulo!
Luz,
Hindi iyong kung may mapapakinabang ka o ako for that matter kung makulong si Estrada. Ang point ay susuko din pala siya bakit pinabayaan pa niyang lokohin ang taumbayan. Hindi ba siya nakukonsensiya na dahil sa pag-uudyok nila sa mga pilipino noong May 2001, marami ang namatay, o doon sa kaibigan niya na namatay sa sama ng loob sa pagtulak sa kaniya na tumakbo na si Erap din ang puno’t dulo, tapos ngayon susuko, ang dami pang drama! Hindi na lang umamin doon sa kasalanan niyang tumanggap siya ng suhol mula kay Sabit ang let justice prevail.
Walang hustisya iyang freedom na iyan sa totoo lang, and he tolerated it. Bakit akala mo ba may justification iyan sa Panginoon? Kasabwat din siya sa pagsira ng hustisya sa Pilipinas. Dapat ipinaglaban niya ang kaniyang karapatan regardless of whether or not there is justice in the Philippines and no matter how long it will take. Makikita din ang galing ng mga abogado niya diyan.
Kaya nga sabi ko sa iyo, magdasal ka, and see how God will enlighten your mind. Hindi ka naman kailangang mag-pretend na religious ka sa totoo lang. I should have said, kung may faith ka, instead of what I wrote about you being religious, which you should not be ashamed of if you are.
Ganoon lang naman kasimple iyon if you are on the side of truth, right, and justice, and even on the side of the Lord. Bakit anong ikakatakot mo?
Yuko,
Tama ka, we should not imitate one’s wrongdoings because everyone’s salvation depends on himself and not on others. So everyone must be able to discern what is right and wrong and follow what is right.
Me? I don’t pretend to be as religious as those priests and nuns, Luz, but I surely try to lead a life in accordance with the Will and Commandments of God as prescribed in the Holy Scriptures. Mahirap gawin as a matter of fact, but I try. Parang training sa mga bootcamp. Disiplina ang kailangan.
Fallacious iyong sabihin na one cannot and will not be able to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ. Bakit hindi gawin? Kung lahat ng tao sumusunod sa Utos ng Diyos, you can bet your bottom dollar, mahirap magkasala sa totoo lang!!! Kaya, why should you tolerate the evil ways of evil men pretending to be good? Hindi iyan judging as a matter. You just don’t have to tolerate them and fall into their spheres of influence. Mas masama iyan sa totoo lang.
To make it simpler, gaya ng katwiran ng mga tao dito sa Japan, black is black, white is white, they can never be gray!!!
Hypocrite…tsk tsk tsk
I wanted to say this earlier, kaya lang, hinintay ko munang lumaya si Erap, baka maudlot. Now that he is free, at nag-order na ang Sandiganbayan puwede nang magsalita.
Back in 2002, Glo promised not to seek reelection. But she reneged on that promise two years later. Two can play the game. Erap promised to support her, puwede rin siyang magbago ng pasiya. All Erap has to do is pay lip service for fifteen days. Pag final na ang order ng Sandiganbayan, well, lintik lang ang walang ganti.
Many commenters here have said Trillanes would be more effective if not incarcerated. Ganoon din si Erap. so ang paglaya ay mas mabuti para sa paglaban sa Baboy at ang kanyang may-coral este maybahay pala.
May mga nagsabing nagkukunwari lang si Erap, bibigay din pala. Mahirap magkunwari ng anim na taon; at ang pagkapiit ay hindi pagkukunwari. Tunay siyang walang laya ng anim na taon.
Sabi rin ng iba, magnanakaw daw si Erap, just like Glo. Nasuhulan siya yes; to look the other way, habang ang jueteng lords ay tuloy ang operasyon. Pero jueteng money is not government money. That does not make Erap simonpure. Pero magnanakaw, malabo yata.
Compare that to the porcine gentleman. Tayo ang magbabayad sa kinurakot niya.
Mainit ang gobyernong ihabla si Erap, dahil tumanggap ng jueteng money, pero hindi hinabol ang jueteng lords. Mukhang selective prosecution yata.
“Ganoon lang naman kasimple iyon if you are on the side of truth, right, and justice, and even on the side of the Lord. Bakit anong ikakatakot mo?”
Yuko,
I respect your side, but as for me, this time I want TO SHOW MERCY to Erap!
Heh! Atty, “Pag final na ang order ng Sandiganbayan, well, lintik lang ang walang ganti.”
Sige, abangan ang susunod na pelikula…
Sabi nga sa Titus 3:5
He saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy.
I dislike the idea of injecting religion and God in any political undertaking. But that’s me.
I have my own very simple belief, i.e., God is not asleep and God is forgiving.
One thing I do know is that if I wish ill of someone, rightly or wrongly, it is not right but heck, if I still do it — well, that’s my own look out.
But I will not and never say that it’s God’s will or that God willed me to say or do it.
Anna, Sa akin lang, Erap needs understanding and mercy this time. Then let us watch his next moves if he will be true to his promises for the benefit of the masses who still put their hopes on him.
I totally respect your position Luz. Don’t think I’m patronizing but I really am impressed by your explanations and I’m humbled by them. Thanks.
Anna, Thanks also for understanding.
Mawalang galang napo…..hindi lang ako makapag pigil. May isang tao kasi dito na nag aastang santo at malinis. Please let us take some time to ruminate with this following statements. Eto ba ang klase ng pag iisip meron ang Pinoy ngayon? Kung ano man ang relihiyon ng taong ito….sana hindi na sila dumami pa.
————–these are the excerpts————-
Gago din itong si Apostol ano?
Hahahahaha! Matagal nang ginagawa ni GLORC iyan sa totoo lang! Ang kumere!!! Hindi harakiri, kundi harakere!!!
Pati ba naman patay ginagamit ng ungas to corrupt!!!
Hindi ba iyan iyong hindi natuloy ang testimony sa Senate kasi may heart ailment daw. Bakit buhay pa rin ang ungas?
Iyan ngayon ang niluluto ng mga ungas at iyong mga supporters nilang bobo din.
I prefer a revolution if I were you. Snap election is good only during the Marcos regime.
Frankly, speaking, ayoko noong pari for president after what he showed he is NOT capable of doing against evil!!! Pwe!!! Tao rin pala siya!!!
Hindi lang si Hudasan ang gago. Marami pang gago na trying hard talagang i-discredit si Senator Trillanes
Sinong naligaw? Gago ka pala e. Kahit sa Divisoria puede kang magbasa ng Biblia. Puede ba? Huwag mong pakialaman ang gusto kong gawin!
Golly, the nerve of those mabaho ang singaw to quote from the Bible and attribute themselves to the legions that entered a person’s body and Jesus exorcised.
Puede ba, stop na ang pagpupugay sa mga pari at madre. I prefer them staying within the cloister of their monasteries. Mas nakakagulo lang sila kung nakikialam sila. Better still, please mag-concentrate na lang sila sa pagtuturo ng tama sa mga tao, unahin muna pala nila ang mga sarili nila.
Ironically, one of my good friends in Japan is a Filipino nun, with whom I thought I could have a healthy discussion about Christ, but rather not kasi pirming defensive. Mahirap talaga ang sinasabing walang “Gift of the Holy Ghost” sa totoo lang.
kahit na sa pambababoy ng mga hayop na kurakot at kriminal sa gobyerno nila
I’d rather see the Filipinos moving on to remove the criminals now leading them to hell even by force!
Gustung-gusto ko nang magmura ng PIN, but I won’t, but I can’t help getting enraged by Erap’s cowardice.
At saka anong pakialam ng INK sa usapan ito. Sobra naman ang pagbibigay ng papuri sa grupong ito. Pwe!
I have my own practice. I can do whatever I want because of my liberty to choose, and I’ll never abandon responsibity for my own choices. Pareho din yan kay Anna.
I also see Yuko’s points, but I maintain that Gloria is the enemy not Erap. No need to rub more salt to an injured person, ang hirap kainin ng hiya.
A text message I recieved today. I am copying it word for word. Starngely, I didn’t know who it came from. But sounded like a good idea:
“Sign online manifesto/petition calling for 4GMA/NOLI 2resign & for Special (SNAP) polls wdin 60 days:
http://www.petitiononline.com/snap08. Pls join us & sign. Pls pass. Thnx.”
Hihihihi! Si Duren seems really galit na ah! Imagine, collecting all those excerpts — must have taken time.
Never mind na lang, don’t read what you don’t like to read na lang Ok, mahirap gawin, i.e., na hindi basahin, if you want to know what’s posted in the blog thread but let’s put it na lang in ‘freedom of the blog…’
In his welcome home speech which I watched on TV, Erap thanks Gloria Arroyo & asks the crowd to clap. The crowd claps hesitantly. At one point, in the middle of his speech, he even mentions about unity in the Philippines (I don’t know about those who caught it on TV, but it sounded like a recycled Gloria line). Although I was never a pro-Erap person, I still felt like throwing up listening to his speech.
This is a man who said that he would not accept Gloria’s pardon; and who said that he did not recognize Gloria as President. He did not take back his words. Erap was actually just acting a role all this time.
I pity his supporters who actually believed he was a hero.
Chabs (but to those who are genuinely pro-Erap, my apologies for starters),
I might have felt the same as you had I seen what you described. And I would be even harsher (again apologies to the genuinely pro-Erap people here) as when I agreed with what Manolo Quezon said about Erap.
He said, “But it also tells us that Estrada is permanently incapable of saving anything beyond his own hide. In the end he had to kneel and beg for mercy from a President he’d never recognized as legitimate…”
My own take: Very true, perhaps out of plain stupidity or sheer persona dysfunction, i.e., real life taking on a reel role.
He couldn’t save his presidency then back in 2001 because either he didn’t know how to or because he thought as in the movies, the underdog would always win.
Kagalang galang na AdeBrux, paumanhin ulit sa aking outburst. Kaliwat kanan na kasi ang pang iinsulto hindi lang sa gobyernong kinaiinisan nya kundi pati na rin sa ibat ibang relihiyon na wala namang direktang pakialam sa mga isyu dito. And no, it didnt take a lot of my time gathering them, sa sobrang dami kasi mabilis makolekta.
Hahahahahahah! “sa sobrang dami kasi mabilis makolekta.”
Pero Duren, whether we like it or not, my punto rin naman iyang mga excerpts na kinulekta mo… kaya ako, sige na lang, freedom of the blog na lang.
Pero okey lang yun…I just want everyone to ponder on it…pero hindi ko sya tinitigilan. Kaya sige pa, kung gusto pa nya…eh nasa kanya na yun.
Chabs,
Heto ang susunod na kabanata:
Courtesy call ni Erap kay Gloria sa EK.
Gloria’s visit to Erap’s mother.
Kumpleto na!
Ans, I agree with you. I just feel bad for his loyal supporters who really believed in him; for the sacrifices they made. I get this feeling that they’ve been duped.. Then again, it’s easy for me to be critical because I wasn’t the one jailed in a resthouse……..it’s frustrating to watch a country right before your very eyes just dwindle…….
Chi, I’m angry na pikon na ewan ! Sabi ko nga kay AdeBrux na it’s frustrating to watch a country right before your very eyes just dwindle…….
Hahahah! Natawa (sori) ako sa collection ni Duren. Iyan ang cyberspace…free!
amen… Purihin ang Dakilang Lumikha! sa gitna pighati at kasiyahan ay patuloy tayong magpasalamat, manalangin at magpuri sa Dakilang Lumikha… hindi iyan maalis sa kulturang noypi.
bok, kasama, mga katoto: sabi ni Tabako, bilang na ang araw ni GMA… hay naku… sabi ko na nga ba ‘eh, may grand plan din itong si Tabako, kabaligtran sa tinuran ni? sino ba iyon? ah si speaker ng kamara… ang maginoong de venecia… na nasasabing ang lakas-cmd at ang kampi ay mahigpit ang kapit-kamay…
marahil, nagsimula ang lamat sa relasyon nina GMA at TABAKO ay noong nag-ka-onsehan sa ZTE deal… malamang may naputulan ng daliri sa pagsawsaw sa kitaan ng ZTE deal… ito po ay teorya lamang, na maaring totoo o hindi, pero leading ang sinabi ni Tabako na “bilang na ang araw ni GMA”.
Salamat sa iyo Dakilang Lumikha, dahil lumutang si Padre Ed… Kung walang Padre Ed na nagsiwalat ng “suhulan” sa Malacanang, ay walang pardon na igagawad kay Erap… Sa pagbibigay ng pardon kay Erap, tiyak iyan! nasa grand plan din ni GMA, dahil mag-aaltaburoto ang mga kontra-erap… ang resulta nito… mag-uunahan sina GMA at TABAKO para sa military junta…
Sang-ayon ako sa mungkahi ni Ka Jake Makasaet… nawa’y ang lahat ng kaparian, obispo at madre ay mag-martsa na sa Mendiola para isigaw ang GMA-NOLI RESIGN.
Oh’ Dakilang Lumikha, iligtas mo ang aming Inang Bayang Pilipinas!!!
Para sa kapayapaan, hustisya at pag-ibig…. Sa ating patuloy na pananalig sa kapangyarihan ng sambayanan at sa Pag-ibig ng Diyos.
Chabs,
Hold on, patapos na ang mga eksena na ‘yan. What’s above, so below!
Me too Chabs, “I just feel bad for his loyal supporters who really believed in him; ” I was struck by the same feeling when I saw his pic and read the Inquirer headline yesterday.
Sabi ni FVR, Gloria’s days are numbered. Basahin daw yung column niya sa Manila Bulletin sa Sunday. Ganun??? Ang yabang din ano? Parang diyos kung umasta. Feeling niya lahat ng presidente kaya niyang pabagsakin.
Aha! Lalong nagkagulo sa pardon ni Erap. Mga wala kasing prinsipyong pang-lider!
Chi, di ba ang “Kagalang galang na xxxx”, is “Most Honourable xxxx” in English… naku, bigla akong kinilabutan ah… hihihihi!
Erap and Gloria indeed are one..in that they violated our trust.. ang isa past tense nagnakaw and ang isa present tense nagnanakaw..and together they will be in the future tense…continue “nakawing”. and my question is what can we do if they want to? the answer is in each of us..will we allow it?
Totie: Do you attend Loida’s fund raising events for Hillary?. Nagsawa na si Angie sa kakaimbita sa akin.. I can’t afford it and why should I give her money to run for President? RE-McGreevy I understand he plans to be an Anglican priest? and si Corzine hindi ba he paid the fine? chicken feed lang – milyonaryo siya. he has a Filipina in his staff.. here in JC McCann spent time in prison but now is back in JC Board of Education..”here we go round the mulberry bush..so early in the morning” ang turo sa amin noon sa grade school at San Jose Antique Elementary School.
masyado yata kayong galit kay Erap for accepting the pardon..kaya minsan iniisip ko there are some sectors using Erap as their rallying point to oust Gloria. Gusto makita ng iba na mapunta siya sa Munti para magkaroon ng sympathy at magkaroon ng EDSA 4. For me, tama lang na tanggapin na ni Erap ang Pardon dahil during the promulgation 500 lamang ang nag rally and I thought yun verdict day na ang puwedeng mag mista ng another people power pero wala…so no choice na yun tao.
Sabi ni Ramos “Arroyo’s days are numbered”? So, is Ramos now your rallying point to oust Gloria? Kakampi ba kayo kay Chavit, JDV, Ramos, BnW, to oust Gloria?
Naguguluhan na ako kasi noon gustong paalisin si Gloria sama-sama yun militante at pro-erap…ngayon nabigyan ng pardon yun tao kaaway naman si Erap…so maliwanag na gamitan lang talaga.
Sa ngayon tama din kayo Erap’s pardon could be the rallying point to oust Gloria…so mukhang dapat yata matuwa pa kayo…ang tanong ay kung kakampi kayo kay Ramos.
So abangan na lang natin yun witness ni Trillanes kasi if Arroyo’s Govt really involve doon sa Glorieta then mas mabigat ito.
Jojo,
Much as I am prepared to believe that the end justifies the means, pag sumabit si Chavit Singson as ano man na grupo asking Gloria to resign, no way… I will refuse to be part of any formal group where Chavit Singson is a member.
I don’t like to be anwhere near that leper.
AdeBrux,
Same here…ako mas gusto tignan ngayon ang magiging bagong leader like teka tatlo lang naiisip ko Lacson,Trillanes, and Binay.
History na si Erap bumigay siya then we have to look for new leaders.
Tried posting twice but my post didn’t appear in this thread…yet???
Anyway, what I would like to say is… Erap asked/ accepted the pardon because he knows fully well that his chances of getting an acquittal is nil. Even if he elevate it (his plunder case) to the SC since Justice Puno is the CJ. Besides, it will take years before a final verdict will be handed down and still no guarantee of freedom. Remeber that he is already 71 yrs old.
For all his allege “stupidity”, he became wise with his decision of accepting the pardon. He will not allow himself to rot in jail because some justices who are still beholden to GMA said so. I could just imagine him saying to himself…” ano ako bale?? Mabubulok ako sa kulungan dahil sabi ni Gloria? Huwag na oy!!!”
galit ang mga prosecutor ng sandigang bayan, pardon lang pala ang katapat ng kanilang paghihirap na i-convict si erap,,,, masaya to,, magpa- file sila ng petition sa supreme court para sa isang argumento,,, aksaya na naman ito ng pera ng bayan, pero sige, panonoorin ko,,,,
Jojo & AdeBrux,
Hindi lang kay chavit, kay tabako pa. Wouldn’t want to be associated with those scums.
nasan kaya si sabit singson, baka tumakbo na palabas ng pinas,, hehehehe, weder weder lang yan, kahit ano pa ang sabihin natin, wala na, malaya na si erap, kaya panibagong kasaysayan na naman ang ating tatahakin, tuloy pa rin ang buhay, tuloy pa rin ang pulitika, tuloy pa rin ang pakikibaka sa isang maayos at makataong lipunan.hehehehe, tuwang tuwa ang pro-erap, galit na galit namn ang anti-erap, bwahahahaahahahahaha
Sabit Singson must now make good his threat to bolt GMA’s camp now that Erap has been pardoned. FVR? Umalis na naman ng bansa basta may gulo. He might have instructed his boys to conspire with other anti-Erap groups to get back at GMA. Sige…maglabo-labo na lang kayo.
Okay na sa akin ang pardon kay Erap pero sana huwag naman puro puri kay GMA ang gawin niya. Now, Erap calls her President Arroyo. Ilalagay na ba niya sa room niya ang litrato ni GMA? San Juan City Mayor’s office and Jinggoy’s Senate office still have Erap’s picture displayed and not GMA. Papalitan na ba nila iyan ngayon at ilagay ang kay GMA? Okay lang kay Erap ang magpasalamat kay GMA bilang courtesy. But when he mentioned her name during his speech, the crowd booed. Erap then reminded the crowd that if not for GMA, they would not see him. Let me tell Erap that if not for GMA, he would not be ousted, jailed and convicted. Laya ng kung laya pero tahimik na lang sana si Erap. Huwag naman sobrang sipsip after his release.
pechanco,
Baka playing safe lang si Erap at baka bawiin ni glurya ang pardon. Btw, saw former Sen. Loi being interivewed sa news, asked what her reaction was on tabako’s pronouncement that he was against Erap’s pardon. Ang sabi niya ay: “Tignan muna niya yung sarili niya (fvr) sa salamin”. Hahaha 🙂
Penchanco,
Napanood mo sa online yun Saksi when he was interviewed by Connie Sison…di niya mabanggit yun President Arroyo so he said “Mrs. Arroyo” mukha naisahan ni Erap si Arroyo tapos sabi niya pa ngayon baka tumakbo pa siya. Katulad ng sabi ni Mike playing safe si Erap…mukhang lumabas yun pang famas acting award ni Erap. Exciting ito kung puwede pa bang bawiin ang pardon di ko kasi alam ang batas…makapag google nga.
conqueror46 Says:
October 27th, 2007 at 12:52 am
galit ang mga prosecutor ng sandigang bayan, pardon lang pala ang katapat ng kanilang paghihirap na i-convict si erap,,,, masaya to,, magpa- file sila ng petition sa supreme court para sa isang argumento,,, aksaya na naman ito ng pera ng bayan, pero sige, panonoorin ko,,,,
Amigo Buti nga sa kanila eh gago sila, kanino bang presentation ang ginamit ng mga Justices di ba yung argumento nila na maraming legalist ang nagsasabi na hindi “beyond reasonable doubt. Sisihin nila ang sarili nila.
Pechanco: Alam na ni Sabit at FVR na reresback na sa kanila si Gloria kaya ayan preconditioning na naman.
bigay bawi, kung baga, hehehehe, para ng laro ng mga bata,,, galit si FVR, isauli mo kaya sa kabang yaman yung kinuha mong isang baul na ginto at 2 pang baul na may lamang alahas ni imelda at ni favian ver sa limbones island na itinago ni makoy, na naging dahilan ng pag masaker sa mga muslim trainees sa corregidopr island, heheheehehe , nakabaon na sa limot pero naaalala ko pa, lumalakas yata ang aking bolang kristal,,,, bwahahaahahahaha
In the 27 Oct issue of The Daily Tribune, there is an interesting comment made by Senator Gordon in the article, “Senate allies score Gloria on pardon (by Angie M. Rosales). It’s the best comment I have read so far. Here’s an excerpt:
“..administration senator, Richard Gordon, also expressed disgust at Mrs. Arroyo and hinted that the move was made on account of her political survival.
“I am revolted by the whole scenario…I’m not asking for punishment (for Estrada) because I don’t like him. I am revolted because the law has been mediocretized or trivialized…in the end, of course, what will happen is that we will become the laughingstock of the world,” he said.
Gordon noted the matter of timing, as the Palace’ announcement was seen by some observers as a diversionary tactic to divert public attention from the ZTE National Broadband Network project probe in the Senate where Mrs. Arroyo was implicated by Speaker’s son, Jose “Joey” de Venecia III, doesn’t really matter.
“For me, she committed a wrong, Period. And it will be an even worse wrong because it can be said that the timing was coincidental. But she should not shortchange the people through this pardon as they will be left holding the empty bag,” he said.
“President Arroyo disgraced her position. She muffed her chance to show that her legacy is one of justice. Estrada also muffed his chance by going back on his word that he would not accept a pardon from Mrs. Arroyo,” Gordon said.
Estrada has always said that he would accept a pardon from Mrs. Arroyo only if it is unconditional and absolute, which was what was granted yesterday.
To Mrs. Arroyo, Gordon had this to say: “You took an oath to uphold the law. Sure, pardon is your power. Use your power to benefit the people. You do not use your power to make yourself survive.
“Estrada was given a big gift by the Filipino people—the trust of the nation. He betrayed that trust which is why he was charged and punished. This case was fought for six years. Is this the way to repay the Filipino people,” Gordon said. “She preferred to survive politically, rather be right, rather than be just.It’s not even a question of mercy. It’s a question of survival for her. It is a transactional leadership as its purest form,” said Gordon.”
Here’s the link to the story:
http://www.tribune.net.ph/headlines/20071027hed2.html
Mike, hindi puwedeng bawiin ni Impakta ang pardon kay Erap. It would have to go through the long legal process again. I like Erap but not necessarily very pro-Erap. If you ask me, I would prefer that he be granted house arrest instead of immediate pardon. Saka na ang pardon kasi medyo sobrang bilis. Puwede naman “house arrest” and he could stay in his San Juan residence. Pero nandiyan na iyan. Let’s just accept and respect the decision.
Jojovelas, if you have seen and heard Erap’s speech when he arrived in San Juan, he addressed her as President Arroyo and thanked her. In an interview with the media, Loi Estrada also called GMA as President Arroyo and referred to Erap as former President. Malinaw iyan dahil narinig ko. Yes, kung minsan Mrs. Arroyo pa rin ang tawag pero madalas ko nang marinig sa mga Estrada ang President Arroyo.
Totie, puro ingay lang iyan si FVR. it was during his term that big scale corruption and scams happened such as the Impsa deal. FVR cannot accept the fact that he’s no longer that powerful with GMA.
Ang totoo lang hindi sa mga politico, Supreme court o sa people power nag rest ang power ng bansa, kundi ang kapangyarihan ay nakasalalay sa militar ng bansa. Kung matino ang militar,hindi basta basta gagawa ng kalokohan ang mga politico. Neutalizer ang papel dapat ng militar. The military should protect the nation from corrupt officials. If the people in the military is clean and honest. The people will allow a temporary military takeover to replaced a corrupt administration, until a new elected leader is chosen. Kaso sa present situation very doubtful ang integrity ang Philippine military almost 100% corrupt, yun matitino nakulong pa. About Erap, charge na lang natin sa experience yan, kahit sino ang ipalit mo sa kanya noon, magnanakaw rin ang nakamaskara na leader.Before he lost his life in this world, the move of Erap is an act of resignation and he humbly recognize the poltical expertise of Madam Gloria. Look at Gloria today, still surviving, akalain ba naman ni Cory, Cardinal Sin at Ramos noon na magaling siya sa political survival. One step ahead siya palagi sa mga katungali niya. The die is cast, Kahit na kaluluwa pa itataya na niya, She will used everything whatever means just to win every battle. Magaling sa poker si gloria, basang basa niya lahat ang bawat situation. Saludo ako sa kanya despite sa mga accusation sa kanyang pangdaraya, pagsisinugaling at pagnanakaw.Outmanuevered pa rin niya ang mga kalaban.I can say na mas magaling siya kay marcos. Kahit anong asar natin sa kanya pag hindi niya pa oras, wala tayong magagawa kundi ipagdasal na lang natin siya para magbago. Ako resign na ako sa kakakontra sa kanya. Sobra ang suwerte ng bruha.
Friends, Erap might not be running for public office again but would remain as a political head now perceived to be a bit friendlier to the GMA administration. He would prepare his own family members for the 2010 election and support them. Son Jinggoy may run for Vice-President; JV Ejercito would run for the Senate and maybe nephew Mayor JR Ejercito would run for Governor or Congress. Now that Erap is free, expect politicians to woo him between now and 2010. Marami na naman ang sisipsip sa kanya. By the way, Cory issued a statement lauding the pardon on Erap but we have not heard from Susan Roces yet. Is there something wrong between her, the FPJ camp and the Erap camp?
I dislike the idea of injecting religion and God in any political undertaking.
To me, the whole idea of religion mixing it up with politics is scary in the extreme. Politicians who embraces religion in office are really pretty hypocritical in turning a blind eye to some very wonderful wisdom. I think it is fine to have a personal faith or belief, but if an elected president is to represent his religion upon his job, which will obviously include beliefs of every stripe, then definitely it is moronic using religious tenets as a guiding principle unless these principles are also held by everyone who is being represented in the first place. It is illogical for leader who assume office with a big jar of Vaseline in his hand and ask his people to bend over on his belief.For this reason;.I take a negative view of most religions because they seem to cherry pick their way through their holy book to justify an agenda or position while ignoring admonitions that are not profitable.
pechanco,
Tama ka nung sinabi mong di na pwedeng bawiin ni glurya ang pardon, pero tandaan mo na may paraan pa rin dyan para kay kokey. at tandaan mo na hawak pa rin niya sa leeg ang mga judges. What if ibulong nya sa mga huwes na i-rule na unconstitutional pala ipardon ang isang impeached president. Remember that the prosecution panel is planning to file a case with the SC regarding the granting of pardon for Erap. For all we know, pakana pa rin ni kokey yan. Gagawin nya yun pag naging pasaway si Erap. Magaling diba??? 🙂
I didn’t expect a comment like this coming from Senator Gordon. It’s the best I’ve read so far:
“I am revolted by the whole scenario,” Gordon said. “I am not questioning her right to pardon but I am questioning her responsibility. She did not use her authority properly. [You] use your power to benefit the people. You do not use your power to make yourself survive.”
Mike;
Erap was been pardoned by the president.Kahit ano pang habol ang gagawin ng mga korte sa kanya ay sa tambol mayor na lang sila hahabol.Erap is not under parole.Kahit magiging pasaway na siya kay punggok ay wala na silang magagawa pa.
Sino ba ang naging biktima nitong tela novelang “Maduming Politika” sa Pilipinas? Kaming mahihirap parin na umaasa na sana bukas ay gumanda na at guminhawa ang bayang Pilipinas. Nakakalungkot ding isipin na naging biktima din si FPJ sa mga gahaman sa katungkulan (sumalangit nawa ang kanyang kaluluwa). Kung buhay kaya si FPJ ano kaya ang masasabi niya kay ERAP?
Mike, ang pardon ay isang presidential power. Kahit na Supreme Court ay hindi makikialam because of separation of branches of government. Ang pardon ni GMA kay Erap ay isang power na ibinigay sa kanya ayon sa constitution and such power cannot be questioned. Pero mas malalim ang dahilan kung bakit hindi puwedeng bawiin ang pardon. That’s because the group behind this pardon is no other than the very influential Iglesia Ni Kristo. GMA’s letter on Erap’s pardon has long been kept by INK that acted as custodian to make sure that GMA didn’t break her promise. In return, hindi na kalalabanin (muna) ni Erap si GMA. Erap’s statement more than showed his cooperation. He said he would support GMA’s government. Ang INK kasi ang naging mediator ng dalawang panig. Sec. Puno was just an errand boy. The ones who worked this out behind the scene were the INC high officials. GMA owes so much to INK so much so that we can say she’s afraid of the group. At the height of the first impeachment, it was INK that called the congressmen one by one to withdraw their signed impeachment. Napaiyak daw sa tuwa ni GMA. Of course we all know that INK supported GMA last 2004 election. Ayaw kasi mag-reconcile sina Lacson at FPJ. Manalo gave them an ultimatum that if no one between the two gave way (as vice president), INK would support GMA. At iyan nga ang nangyari. Of course INK also supported GMA as Senator and then Vice President. Well, may magdadada na naman dito kung bakit binibigyan ng ganyang halaga ang Kulto ni Manalo. But what can we do? That’s a fact. Napakalakas ngayon ang INK hindi lang sa Pilipinas kundi sa abroad. Kung baga sa isang business, it has become a very successful business empire. Maganda ang management. Centralized lahat at sumusunod sa mga decision ng boss. They also manage their finance so well. We may have our negative impressions of this religious group; but the fact is talagang malakas ang mga iyan.
Sorry, Erap said he would support GMA’s programs (not government). Medyo pareho din pero may pagkaiba technically. One can support some government programs but not necessarily the government. Malambot si Erap ngayon sa administration. Even the hot tempered Jinggoy issued a nice favorable statement thanking GMA. Nag-usap na ang buong pamilya. Bati muna at tahimik lang. What would happen later on is everyone’s guess. Sa ngayon, peace muna sina Erap at GMA.
Chabeli, huwag tayong maniwala masyado kay Mr. Laway, long playing record na AC-DC na si Gordon. Malaki pa rin ang tampo niyan kay Erap dahil tinanggal siya as SBMA Chairman noon at pinalitan siya ni Payumo. Gordon has his eye on 2010 either as President or Vice. Maingay ngayon iyan…puro talsik nga ang laway.
Chabeli:
It’s a good thing I did not watch that speech or I might have broken my TV.
I did not actually liked Erap because of his philandering but he was duly elected by the Filipinos, and though I could NOT understand such mentality, I was prepared to accept their decision. Anyway, I could not be adversely affected by their wrong decision, nor will any of my immediate relatives.
When he was removed from office, I was virulently against it because it was not in accordance with the rule of law, and with the same crooks running the government like FVR, JdV and worst, the Pidal couple, I thought I felt really nauseated that I resolved to help in the best way I could especially when our taxpayers’ money had the danger of being squandered as well plus the patrimonies that we fought hard to be preserved in danger once more of being sold and disposed of without a national referendum.
In short, hindi puede ang awa-awa or understanding sa mga kagaguhan ng mga kurakot na ito. Dapat naman ilagay sa lugar ang sinasabing understanding daw sa mga ungas na may gana pang mangloko para lang sa sarili nilang kapakanan!
Nakakasulasok!
Pechanco, I am convinced of your argument on the INK connection re- Erap’s pardon. A previous blogger here had made the same analysis on the crucial role of INK in Philippine politics, past and present. Everyone knows what happened when GMA and JdV withdrew their cha-cha proposal, because the INK also joined hands with the CBCP and threatened the government with a massive protest.
That singular act from the religious really scared the shit of those guys who wanted to perpetuate themselves in power.
Now, back to some of the CBCP members’ call for GMA to resign, the bishops will soon meet and probably take this up in as an important agenda. Arch. Lagdameo had already issued a very strong statement on the present immoral regime of Gloria.
A more crucial action to ask is, what’s the take of INK in the present political crisis sparked by the anomalous NBN deal and bribe-giving in Malacanang?
(I wish INK head Manalo would show solidarity with the 3 warrior bishops spearheading GMA’s resignation. Once this happens, it’s time for Gloria to pack up and go.)
pechanco;
Sa ngayon, peace muna sina Erap at GMA.
Let them enjoy their gutter politics, There’s a time these two trolling for trash for political gain.
Katulad din ng sasabihin ni Susan kung magsasalita pa siya. No wonder si Dolphy, si FPJ tinakbo niya pero si Erap hindi. Ngayon malinaw na.
Yup, sino ba ang naging biktima nitong telenovela ni Erap? Mga pilipino din. Nakakaawa ang mga hirap na ginagamit ng mga ungas sa mga kalokohan nila.
I doubt na mangyayaring isusulong ni Erap ang sinasabi ng mga umaasa pa na ilalaban niya ang karapatan ng mga pilipino laban sa umagaw ng puwesto niya. Ang takot lang niya!
Chi, tama ka doon sa bisita sa ina ni Erap. Mukhang nakahilira na sa mga sked noong walanghiyang amo noong mga nanggugulo dito. Iyan ang walag delikadeza sa totoo lang.
I won’t say “Sorry” dahil lang hindi ko maintindihan ang mga ganyang mentality. And definitely I won’t say sorry for my faith in God, and why I cannot be tolerant of philanderers, fornicators, etc. Dapat sa mga corrupt na iyan tinuturuan ng katinuan.
Kawawang bansa!!!
Sa amin, Chi, pag may nahuling may kabit, tinatanggal sa puwesto. Walang puedeng i-tolerate ang kalokohan. And definitely, no understanding for evildoers!!! It is not judging or prejudging. It is preventing a precedent and others following suit!!!
Kawawang Pilipinas! Nasadlak sa dusa!!!
Sobra namang dramatic ang ginawang pag-pardon kay Erap. Meron pa palang drama na ginawa kuno sina Romulo, Bunye, et al para ipalabas na banal na banal iyong kriminal.
Sino bang niloloko ng mga animal? Sorry, but I don’t buy this kind of show. Hindi kasalanan ni Erap iyan? OK, hindi siya ang pasimuno, maybe, pero kasabwat siya!
Wala silang naloko as a matter of fact kundi iyong mga handang magpaloko.
Kawawang Pilipinas!
I agree with Tribune’s NCO on this, The judiciary has much to answer for the destruction of the justice system, nay all of democracy and the institutions. And Estrada has connived with the crook and her minions in destroying whatever little propriety there was in the Philippine courts, and the Philippines in general.
Nakakasulasok!
It is dirty politics as usual. The sad thing is, when two corrupt presidents (ex and current)give a wrong signal to the citizenry that corruption etc… is tolerated in any form, imagine what it does to the core values of every citizen! IT IS OKAY TO BE CORRUPT! Kawawang bansa talaga. Now Erap can go and spend his loot!
To the children of Erap who are aspiring for any political positions, brace yourselves because the people will not be that kind to you next time around- it is like original sin!
Whatever little respect I had left for Erap, all of it eroded when he kept thanking this illegitimate president! Although I understand that his love for his mother must have been the main reason for him wanting his freedom, thanking the tiyanak again and again and calling her “President” just made me puke! As far as I am concerned, as Ellen puts it- Magsama na silang dalawa!
# AdeBrux Says:
October 27th, 2007 at 12:06 am
Chi, di ba ang “Kagalang galang na xxxx”, is “Most Honourable xxxx” in English… naku, bigla akong kinilabutan ah… hihihihi!
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Yup, Anna.
Nakakakilabot! Eeeeeeekkkkk!
Sa inis ko sa mga balita ay nanuod muna ako ng sine.
I just read that the reason why the madaliang pardon kay Erap was because of Joey de Venecia’s ‘outstanding’ performance at the ZTE Senate hearing.
Ang dapat daw pala ay headline today sa mga newspapers yung banat ni Joey na $70M ang para Piggydal Mike. Suddenly in the afternoon, Bunyeta was releasing/announcing the pardon.
Takip ng Erap pardon and mas mahalagang (for me) news ng Pidal ZTE $70M kickback!
jojovelas2005 Says:
October 27th, 2007 at 12:36 am
AdeBrux,
Same here…ako mas gusto tignan ngayon ang magiging bagong leader like teka tatlo lang naiisip ko Lacson,Trillanes, and Binay.
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Yan ang tama, forward-looking tayo, tutal magkasabay natapos si Gloria at Erap.
Pechanco,
“…Cory issued a statement lauding the pardon on Erap but we have not heard from Susan Roces yet. Is there something wrong between her, the FPJ camp and the Erap camp?”
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Mrs. Susan Poe is beyond politics. I rather not hear/see her issue a statement re Erap pardon. Matigas, matapang, ma-prinsipyo at tunay na ‘honourable’ ang aking First Lady ng Pinas!
Hawaiianguy,
Just read Ninez Cacho Olivarez’s column. Sakto, parehong-pareho ng naunang post ni Pechanco tungkol sa role ng INK sa Erap pardon.
Akala ko nga ay kinopya ni Pechanco. Joke only…last week pa ang iyong post while NCO’s was just today.
Pareho siguro ang mole nitong si NCO at Pechanco, heheh!
Wala talagang katapusan ang trahedya at komedya sa ating lupang tinubuan. Pero sa dakong huli, tila nananaig ang komedya. Ang saya!
Chi, I strongly believe that only another people power can oust Gloria. But that won’t happen without the religious initiating it. Then, the military may be induced to follow (there’s now widespread demoralization in the ranks, a spark somewhere will break all hell loose – no Esperon or his ilk can prevent that from happening).
A good strategy is to “politicize” the religious (if they can’t do it themselves), esp. INK, and make them declare their stand, whether they are FOR or AGAINST a corrupt and dying regime under Gloria. They can’t just idle by and remain as fence sitters.
In times of national crisis, one should and must make a hard choice.
Chi and hawaaianguy;
If INK has a role in Erap’s pardon then a line is crossed when religion demonizes politicians. But, I’m no surprised, our elected politician are prone to the same temptations. The religion that our politicians practice in public often smells of sanctimony, manipulation and self-idolatry. Its symbolic gestures make for bad religion and bad politics……..Neither will it help to scapegoat secularists, nor to imply that atheists and agnostics,let alone Muslims in Mindanao,Abu Sayyaf and even the Raja Sulaiman groups, are something less than full-fledged Filipino citizens because they follow Muhammed and they don’t follow Manalo’s doctrine.
If INK or other religious sects don’t refrain practicing politics we will have a problem of church and state has to do with institutions and the spheres of action that are appropriate for each.The concept of separation between government and religion is valid.The government does not appoint cardinal,bishops and pastors for the churches. Churches, meaning here all religious organizations,do not appoint president and judges.No religion can be favored over others or supported by tong collection in a duffel bags.
The state has no role or authority in defining beliefs relating to God and worship.The free exercise of religion is to be guaranteed.The president must be neutral between particular religions and permits citizens to believe or not believe in God and to engage or not engage in religious practices or belong to religious organizations according to the dictates of their conscience.There is no religious test for holding office.We are,in this sense,a secular nation. Thorny problems arise in this practice.We must insist that our government does not rest as such on the principles of particular religions,denominations,or sects.If churches forbids dealing with politics directly or running for office.They are strictly apolitical in many regards.And how great would it be if every community forbade its members from directly endorsing political candidates or running for office!Then we can select a candidate by individual choices who’s worthy without kissing Manalo’s feet and the middle finger ring of Cardinal Rosales.
Norim! It that you,Amigo! welcome back.We can pull each other legs again.Hehehehe!
Hawaiianguy, unlike other religious groups some of which like grandstanding and publicity, INK moves and maneuver in silence and in secrecy. INK claims to be the one and only true church. They claim those outside the church which is the fold or Christ’s Body have no right to worship God and salvation. Matindi ano? Pero iyan ang paniniwala nila. Since they believe they are the chosen ones, they don’t participate or join other groups in their activities. Kaya kung napapansin niyo, hindi sumasama sa prayer rally ang INK. They believe only they have the exclusive right to pray. Sa nakikita ko, kung ano ang balak at ginagawa ng Catholic Church, kontra ang INK. INK attacks the Catholic Church more than any other religious groups. INK is even more sympathetic to Protestants since the two share so many similar doctrines. Kaya malabo na sumama ang INK sa ibang mga simbahan na pabagsakin si GMA. Some raise a good point why we or the INK should support and vote for an evil candidate who’s womanizer and drunkard like Erap. Well, ang
policy ng INK ay basta hindi sila pakialaman sa kanilang religious activities ay okay na. Tutal daw, wala naman perfect na leader at lahat naman ay may kapintasan. Erap as well as Marcos happened to be very cooperative to INK; thus, the church reciprocated by voting them during election and supported their programs. Sa kasaysayan ng INK, kay Cory Aquino lang sila galit mainly due to that Hacienda Luisita incident wherein many INK members were persecuted and driven out of hacienda. Past leaders like President Magsaysay were also very close to the INK leadership. Whether we like it or not, INK would remain to be a very powerful religious and even political force. In other countries, her influence is fast being felt by other leaders. So much for INK…wala akong pakialam diyan. I’m just sharing with you what I know.
Justice in the Philippines is Just Ice …. mabilis matunaw depending on “weather-weather” .
up to when will we Just Tiis ???
Cocoy, religions and churches do play a major role in politics and government. Noon pa iyan unang panahon. In the Philippines as early as the Spanish time, don’t you notice that a Parish Church or Chapel is usually located near the city hall or municipal hall? What does it mean? Hindi sa magkasangga sila sa pagtulong sa mamamayan. Nandiyan sa tabi ang kapilya dahil nakikialam sa pamamalakad ng gobyerno. I’m not an atheist but let me quote from what the atheists say…they say religion is a disease. All throughout history, religion seems to be one of the causes of wars and conflicts. They further say that religion brings the countries backward instead of forward. Kanya-kanyang opinion iyan. It’s very difficult to talk about abstract…the unknown…the mystery. The guilt conscience and scare tactics being applied by most religions and churches sometimes affect one’s psychological well-being. I believe in the Supreme Being. To me, it’s my direct personal relationship with God that matters most.
Erap is history.
His ‘impeachment’ trial is the longest in history.
His life sentence is the shortest in history.
Pareng Cocoy,
Got your point on the separation between the church and state. It’s an ideal in this age of liberalist-secularist world, which easily folds up when we examine realities on the ground. Strictly, even secular America is somehow invoking the “sacred” (one example, the US greenback proudly displays the national motto “In God We Trust.”) Why do George W. Bush and other US presidents before him, even our own Gloria Arroyo, start their meetings with a prayer? Why do officials being inducted to public office don’t miss the phrase “so help me God!”
You have quickly forgotten that Muslims don’t abide by that separation principle. To them, the “tauhid” (unity) is more binding, where politics and religious life cannot be compartmentalized, just as humanity and the cosmos are one binding whole. That’s why their Ayatollahs, imams, muftis, hadjis or other Islamic high-priests are also, in fact, political leaders, or vice versa.
Closer to home, why do most of our official programs (including graduation rites) begin with the singing of the national anthem and invocation?
Isn’t People Power I also a case which debunked the myth of that state-church separation? Wasn’t Cardinal Sin playing politics, when he led the masses to EDSA against Marcos and Erap? Wasn’t he playing politics when he admonished Filipinos to “vote for anyone but Erap?”
Philippine presidents after Quezon almost always looked up to the Cardinal for blessings (and votes), thereby publicly removing the barrier between the secular and the sacred.
However, I agree with you that in some areas, the state should not intrude with religious affairs (e.g., giving funds, appointing officials), that there should be religious freedom, etc. So long as these acts do not in any way interfere with the autonomy of either the state or the church.
But there are areas where they intersect. I always believe in the religious pronouncements that morality and sacred values govern all spheres of human life – public nothwithstanding. When making a stand, the bishops (including the imams and other religious personalities) must condemn corrupt public officials, and must lead in their removal to remain true to their calling.
Yuko: “Kung buhay pa kaya si FPJ, ano’ng sasabihin niya kay Erap?”
Yuko, kung buhay pa si FPJ, pihadong ang sasabihin niya: “By the powers vested in me by the Constitution as President of the Republic of the Philippines, I hereby grant former president Joseph Ejercito Estrada full, complete, and unconditional pardon effective immediately. You are now a free man, Erap.”
TIME TO MOVE ON,Catch us if you can!
“GMA said she knew her decision “will be debated, welcomed and criticized,” but said “now, we all have to move on.”
“I believe that history will vindicate not only this executive act but also my innocence,” ERAP said.”
Here we come again, mmmm-mm-mm
Catch us if you can, mmmm-mm-mm
Time for us to move on, mmmm-mm-mm
We will yell with all of our might
Catch us if you can
Catch us if you can
Catch us if you can
Catch us if you can
Now we gotta run, mmmm-mm-mm
No more time for fun, mmmm-mm-mm
When you’re getting angry, mmmm-mm-mm
We will yell with all of our might
Catch us if you can
Catch us if you can
Catch us if you can
Tongue, balita ko kaya na-pardon ni GMA si Erap dahil iyon daw ang huling bilin ni FPJ bago siya namatay.
Sinabi mo pa. I thought natuto na sa experience niya ngayon ikinakatwiran pang kasi palpak ang hustisya ang Pilipinas. E di ayusin kung palpak, and I don’t suppose it is being unfair for him to wait a little bit longer until justice and the rule of law is restored.
Tapos may magsasabi pang pasalamat daw sa INK for working on Erap’s freedom. Bakit anong pakialam ng INK diyan, at saka bakit INK ba si Erap? Iyong mga paring kakilala kong nagha-handle nga ng mga foundations niya walang magawa e. Sobra naman ang publicity stunt para sa INK.
On the other hand, kung kasama nga ang INK diyan, aba dapat maalarma ang mga pilipino na pati pala ang simbahang ito nakikialam sa pag-corrupt ng sistema sa Pilipinas. Hindi dapat pinapayagan iyan.
Magtayo sila ng sarili nilang partido kung gusto nilang makisawsaw sa politika gaya ng Komeito Party sa Japan for example na balitang may tie-up sa Sokka Gakkai hindi iyong nakikiagaw o nakikieksena sana sa mga katoliko para sa publicity stunt ng simbahan nila. Wow, ang dumi!!!
Tongue,
Sarap sana kung si FPJ ang nag-pardon para walang duda, but remember what he said then? Sinabi naman ni FPJ na hindi komo kaibigan ay patatawarin niya ng basta-basta si Erap. Kung kailangan siyang maparusahan kung mapatunayang nagkasala siya, ang batas ang mamamayani. Iyan naman ang sinabi niyang assurance sa mga pilipino during his campaign.
I did not believe that Erap did plunder the treasury that was in fact empty dahil ninakaw ni FVR daw, but there were proofs of the bribery angle of the deal with Sabit Singson. Kaya doon siya madidihado. Hindi puede iyong are-areglo.
Itong pardon galit ako kasi parang nakakaloko! Ngayon nangangako pang makiki-cooperate kay unano alam naman niyang kriminal.
Kaya, tuloy ang laban! Huwag nang asahan iyan dahil pihado magtatayo na sila nina Brenda, Enrile at Angara ng sarili nilang grupo to promote the criminal. Sinong kawawa? Not me, definitely!!!
Hindi naman publicity stunt ang pag-usapan ang INK dito. Sina Cocoy at Hawaiianguy nagbigay din ng kanilang opinion. We’re talking about Erap’s pardon and INK was reported to be instrumental in his pardon. Kung ang Mormon may kinalaman sa pardon niya, di puwede din natin pag-usapan iyan. INK’s name was mentioned here purely incidental. Talagang nakikialam ang INK at marami pang ibang grupo sa Pilipinas. Kung hindi kasama ang Mormon, aba hindi na namin kasalanan. Umpisahan mo ang kuwento kung gusto mo para masali ang pangalang Mormon. Mare, pasok ka ng pasok sa alanganin kaya kung minsan may naiinis sa iyo. Cool ka lang.
Chi, sabi naman ni Susan, “Umpisahan ninyo, tatapusin ko.” E wala namang talagang masigasig mag-umpisa, kaya anong tatapusin niya. Pihado ko inis na inis iyan kay Erap dahil pahamak.
Napahamak lang tuloy ang Mr. niya na si Erap naman ang nagsulong dahil iyon pala sarili lang niya ang iniintindi niya at hindi bayan.
Hopefully, hindi siya makikisawsaw sa anomalyang ito. Then, siguro puedeng idagdag doon sa listahan ng mga puedeng iluklok sa itaas in the future. Personally, ako ang tinatayaan ko si Trillanes lang. At least, walang nakikitang sungay pa at kahit siguro magpakailanman dahil talagang mahal niya ang bayan niya.
Patalsikin na, now na
Profile of Two Leaders:
Joseph Estrada(Philippines)
Estrada has served more than six years in detention — six years and six months to be exact, as Estrada himself has pointed out. But where was he detained? First in an air-conditioned suite at the Veterans Memorial Medical Center in Quezon City, and then at his own well-appointed rest house in Tanay town, outside Manila — both hardly anyone’s idea of a prison.
Nelson Mandela(South Africa)
Nelson Mandela was imprisoned on Robben Island where he remained for the next eighteen of his twenty-seven years in prison. On the island, he and others performed hard labour in a lime quarry. Prison conditions were very basic. Prisoners were segregated by race, with black prisoners receiving the fewest rations.
Ellen, inis rin ako, but that doesn’t change my advocacies one bit. Pardon or no pardon, I still maintain whoever commits a sin against the people shall should be held accountable. I would’ve preferred Erap go through the whole process, including a protracted one in the supreme court. Then he could be everyone’s hero. But I won’t lose sleep even if he didn’t.
The only difference now and that when Gloria’s time comes, meron bang nakaupong pangulo sa panahong iyon na kasingbaho gaya ni Pandak ngayon para mapilitan siyang palayain si Pandak? I don’t think so.
Meron bang large majority of people who will clamor for her release? Wala.
Meron pa bang tatalo sa pambababoy na ginawa ni Pandak sa gobyerno ngayon? Mas lalong wala.
Kung ako si Gloria, ngayon pa lang bibili ako ng lupa sa Floridablanca Pampanga malapit sa PAF airbase. Magtatayo na ako ng resthouse.
Pero kung akala niya na ang mga maka-Erap ay magpapakamatay para palayain siya, neknek niya!
Nadinig pa lang ang pangalan niya kagabi, isang malakas na boo ang umalingawngaw. Nung inulit niya, may ilang taga-City Hall na pimalakpak. Alam kong alam ni Erap ang nasa puso ng masa. Palabas lang siguro niiya yung kagabi. Gaya ni Atty, umaasa akong malalim pa ang drama nito.
Sa masa, si Erap pa rin ang nasa puso kahit nawalan ito ng mukha sa paghingi ng pardon (ng mga bugado).
Si Gloria, matagal nang nasa inidoro!
Napag-usapan din lang ang religion, let me just say that beware of church groups that claim to be the one and only true church. Beware of church groups that are centered on their leaders. Beware of church groups that claim to have the exclusive right to worship and salvation. Beware of church groups that have too many rules and policies all intended to control and manipulate members. Beware of church groups that apply guilt conscience and scare tactics on their members…threatening them with hell and expulsion. You know who and what these groups are.
Chi, sabi mo Susan Roces is beyond politics. Hindi naman pakikialam sa politics ang batiin man lang si Erap sa kanyang paglaya di ba? Considering that Erap and her late husband FPJ were the best of friends. I posed that question if something was wrong between the FPJ and Erap camps because there was a time when it was reported Erap was overheard over the phone conversation telling the person to dump FPJ. May lihim daw na sabwatan si Erap sa GMA camp noon. I don’t remember Erap denying this report or rumor. Baka kako may katotohanan…kaya may tampo si Susan kay Erap. Ewan ko lang…I’m just curious kasi.
Re Anna.s “Penchanco, to be perfectly honest, I believe this blog has always been anti-Gloria but not necessarily pro-Erap. My own observation…”
As an expression of my personal philosophy, this blog is for truth and justice.
If it happens to be anti-Gloria, it’s because Gloria is the epitome of falsehood and injustice.
Penchanco,
I think isa din sa pagiwas ni Susan Roces dahil si Ronaldo Puno di ba yun campaign strategy ni Gloria during election.
Tongue,
At wala ng kadramahan pa at lustay ng pera ng bayan para paglilitis ng tumagal ng 7 taon.
Equalizer:
I am familiar with Mandela’s struggle because I supported the ANC in Japan. Iyan hindi naman na-pardon, but his case dismissed as he continued to fight for what he believed in kahit na mawalan na siya ng mga kamag-anak niya na namamatay sa sakit, siphayo at political killing.
Again in the ‘eighties Mandela rejected an offer of release on condition that he renounce violence. “Prisoners cannot enter into contracts. Only free men can negotiate,” he said.
Iyan ang tunay. Kaya bakit ako maaawa kay Erap? Young Filipinos should not emulate this coward! Gayahin nila si Mandela. Kaya kahit na noong nakalabas na siya ng kulungan, patuloy ang laban niya. Si Erap, sumuko na sa demonya pa!
Sinabi mo pa, Chi, dahil bawat bista niyan, may bayad ang mga hukom, court clerk, guwardiya, etc. Pati iyong mga sundalong nagdadala kay Erap sa hukuman may overtime fee ang mga iyan. Imagine ang ginastos diyan. Iyon pala gagamitin lang at magpapagamit din pala!
Nakakasulasok!
Pechanco,
Ang paniwala ko, lahat ng may kinalaman si Gloria ay walang paki si Mrs. Poe, kahit si Erap pa ang beneficiary.
Siguro, someone will interview her, pero wala namang nakakapilit kay Susan kung hindi niya gusto. Di sana ay matagal na siyang bumigay sa mga ‘pakiusap’ ng kung sino-sino.
Bunch of hypocrites. The Tribune coudln’t said it better!!!
tribune.net.ph/commentary/20071027com1.html
The Dots are getting connected veryFAST…
-Jarius writes expose…
-Mike goes abroad(day before Senate hearing on ZTE)…
-Joey DV reveals details of ZTE mega scandal…
-Neri confirms Abalos bribe attempt…
-Abalos resigns…
-Impeach me filed…
-ZTE deal suspended/junked…
-Congressmen received bribes…
-Governors received bribes…
-GMA immunized…
-JDV under ouster threat…
-Ayala mall “big fart”…
-Erap pardoned …
What’s NEXT to divert our attention from HER scandals(note:one headline-grabbing event per week now!)
The Equalizer Says:
“What’s NEXT to divert our attention from HER scandals(note:one headline-grabbing event per week now!)”
Uhmm how about kokey doing a striptease??? 🙂
FVR says GMA’s days are numbered…. I just hope his days here on this planet are numbered too. Magsama silang dalawa!!!
Marcos/Gloria/Earp/FVR: “birds of the same feather” held together by ronnie d’puno during their respective terms
Mike
I have another meaning on FVR’s saying GMA’s days are numbered. It’s about jueteng, the number game. Erap went down with it, so is goria.
Equalizer,
You’re right with Ronnie Puno having worked his way with the 4 presidents. Ibang klase talaga itong si Puno na naging puno’t dulo ng maraming kababalaghan. At para sa akin, during the respective incumbency of these presidents, Malacanang became an Aviary. It’s where the birds of different feathers flock together.
turning point:ronnie is the master political operator(since Sulo hotel days)
this is a sad chapter in our history. sayang lang ang pakikibaka ng mga pilipino para kay erap yun pala hihingi sya ng pardon kay pandak but like my family and friends here, i’m still hoping that this is just the beginning of erap’s master plan for gloria’s removal from office
Ms. Ellen says:
“As an expression of my personal philosophy, this blog is for truth and justice.”
Ma walang galang na po, but that is not yours to say, its ours to observe and find for ourselves the veracity of it.
pnoynrs Says:
“i’m still hoping that this is just the beginning of erap’s master plan for gloria’s removal from office”
Well, actually it is already happening (kokey’s aka glurya eventual downfall). As the tabako has said, her days are numbered. Maybe (?) Erap knows that with the pardon, kokey will all the more be isolated even from her closest allies, thus her downfall. Di natin maalis kay Erap yung galit niya kay kokey. Kilalang nagtatanim ng galit yan sa mga may atarso sa kaniya.. like what he did to Gordon & Lapid. Didn’t you guys noticed? When he said; “palakpakan natin si glurya…” nakakaloko ang kanyang mukha na parang may ibig siyang sabihin. Maybe (?) he knows something that wed don’t??? Abanagan ang susunod na kabanata!!!
Btw, according to constitutionalist Joaquin Bernas, the pardon has a clause that says Erap cannot run anymore for public office and that the president can revoke or nullify a pardon when he/she feels that the condition of the pardon is violated. That he/ she alone has that “privilege power” to do so.
Dapat lang na gumawa ng paraan si erap na mapatalsik si “GLORIANG BALIW”. Mahiya naman siya sa kanyang matalik na kaibigan at asawa nitong si Susan Roses. Hanggang kamatayan ay tinulungan siya ni FPJ, tapos ganun ganun na lang hihinge siya ng pardon. Imbes na tumahimik at hindi tumakbong pangulo si FPJ napilitan tuloy upang tulungan niya ang kanyang matalik na kaibigan. Siya naman sinamantala ng mga buwaya, “Erap puno na ang salop dapat ng kalusin kung ayaw mong makalos ng masa.” Saan na kaya si Sabit Swingson? Mukhang naghahanap na ng matataguan.
“Ma walang galang na po, but that is not yours to say, its ours to observe and find for ourselves the veracity of it.- duren
duren,
mawalang galang din po,submitting a comment on this blogsite is free, wala pong membership fee ang pagsali dito, the least one can do is to give due courtesy to the host of this blogsite. The host gives everyone his/her share of democratic space, maybe by her statement she was just giving all of us some guidelines regarding her blogsite. Hindi natin pamamahay ang blogsite na ito kaya kaunting paggalang sa may-ari. Maraming salamat po at sana’y huwag niyong masamain ang punang ito.
By holding both Gloria and Erap accountable, i believe you have demonstrated that this is indeed the case.
GPS, salamat sa pagpuna sa aking pagkukulang. I have no intention of disrespecting the owner of this site, I am only expressing my idea just like everyone here. Freedom of expression di ba? If you cant beat them, join them. And my comment was not offensive, I was just stating a fact.
Okey, what I think about Arroyo pardoning Estrada?
I believe this is a positive development for our country. I see the reason behid the decision of GMA was the same as the reason of South Korean President Kim Young-sam when he pardoned former leaders Chun Doo-hwan and Roh Tae-woo. And that is to avoid division and allow national healing for the benefit of our nation, politically and economically. Judging from the status of where South Korea stands now, I think this is not a bad idea and this might also work for us.
For those who complain and are against Erap’s pardon just have to read a portion of what Tribune Editor Ninez Olivarez wrote:
The Edsa II civil society types can really be so stupid.
There they were, calling for Gloria Arroyo’s resignation over her corrupt ways but using the outrage call over her grant of pardon to Erap Estrada, thereby blasting both — one for not having rot in a hellish jail and despite his conviction, was pardoned after a month. And the other, for large scale corruption, among other crimes.
But isn’t that most stupid of them, considering the fact — and well they know it, that they don’t have a mass support base which Erap always had, and continues to have and hold, and considering, too, that they don’t have a military component to back them?
# ipaglaban_mo Says:
October 25th, 2007 at 9:52 pm
I understand Erap if he did it for his ailing mother, but please wag isama naman ang masa as an excuse. He should just say, “my mom’s dying”, period! I’m starting to think that that was the deal they had to make Gloria give pardon. A scripted speech written for Erap.
—Maaaring ginamit ni Erap ang ina niya for legal reason. It had to be included in seeking pardon. But then, why should we question the motive and feeling of Erap towards his mom. Personal na iyan. Don’t we believe that Erap really loves his mother? The problem is the report that Erap plans to travel abroad to rest. His wife Loi today told the media that they’re hoping to go on cruise together.
Kung tutuoo ito, nasaan ang dahilan niya na gusto niyang makapiling ang mahal niyang ina sa mga huling sandali? We shall know this if indeed Erap leaves for a pleasure trip. In the meantime, let’s just reserve our judgment.
duren,
I have always given you the benefit of the doubt, I know it was never your intention to “disrespect the owner of this site”. Thanks for the clarification.
This news may anger anti-Erap groups again as well as anti-GMA: Malacanang is floating the possibility that Erap would be given a government post something for the poor…such as anti-poverty agency. Kapag tinanggap ni Erap iyan lalabas na kabilang na niya sa cabinet ni Gloria. Then, I could tell both of them to go to hell.
Pechanco,
Ganito ang senaryo: Kung napaka-istupido na ni Erap at tinanggap ang cabinet membership na offer ni Gloria, gagamitin nila ang masa ni Erap para mabalik sa pagka-pangulo si Erap (kung meron pang magtitiwalang masa sa kanya).
Kung balik na si Erap…kakasuhan naman natin si Gloria ng doble-dobleng plunder, then si Erap naman ang magpa-pardon sa kanya!
Kung ‘yan nga ang senaryo, si Ronnie Puno na ang ilalagay nilang dalawa sa KOMOLEK! Patay, tunay na ang Pinas! Tangna uli!
tunaw…hindi tunay. galit e!
# chi Says:
October 27th, 2007 at 10:41 pm
Pechanco,
Ganito ang senaryo: Kung napaka-istupido na ni Erap at tinanggap ang cabinet membership na offer ni Gloria, gagamitin nila ang masa ni Erap para mabalik sa pagka-pangulo si Erap (kung meron pang magtitiwalang masa sa kanya).
Kung balik na si Erap…kakasuhan naman natin si Gloria ng doble-dobleng plunder, then si Erap naman ang magpa-pardon sa kanya! Tangna!
—-Chi, Please don’t curse. Ayaw ni Ellen niyan. Instead of tangna, ang gamitin mo tanay na o tongue na. Well, we don’t know what’s in the mind of Erap. If he no longer has political ambition, he would support his sons Jinggoy and JV. Marami pa rin ang kakapit sa kanyang mga pulitiko from the opposition and administration. At 70, hindi pa naman matanda siya kung tatakbo uli. Kung si Jinggoy sa pagka-Bise Presidente at si JV naman sa Senado (the two cannot be together in one chamber), ano kaya kung tumakbo uli si Erap sa pagka-mayor ng San Juan. Mananalo kaya siya sa San Juan?
Pechanco,
Mas gusto ko yata na ma-mayor na lang ulit ng San Juan si Erap, patakbuhin si JV sa Senado. Bahala na si Jinggoy a sarili niya, heheh!
Sa palagay mo ba mananalo si Erap sa San Juan, Chi? If you ask me, not sure. Hindi sigurado si Erap sa San Juan, Batangas.
Wow, “Thanks to God!” sabi ng tsutsu ni Erap about his pardon! I doubt if God has anything to do with his freedom given by a devil woman, and now being used to glorify her!!! Yuck, parang Satanas talaga!
Hindi gumaya kay Mandela, who refused to negotiate and agree to any condition attached to his freedom. Nagsilbi sa kulungan ng matagal, parang katulad noong mga few good men ng AFP na nakakulong ngayon.
Sinayang talaga ni Estrada ang pagkakataon niyang maging simbulo ng katapangan, katatagan at kagitingan. Para rin siyang si Hudas kapag tinanggap niya ang ino-offer kuno sa kaniya ngayon ng mga hayup na magnanakaw na sinungaling pa to legitimize the position stolen from him by Gloria Kulimbat!
Nakakasulasok!!!
Can we not stop bitching about Erap’s pardon? Nandiyan na iyan. Why compare Erap to Mandela? Di hamak na mas guwapo si Erap. I’m not an expert on anything but I think Erap and Mandela’s situation and cases were different. Iba yata ang ipinaglalaban ni Mandela sa South Africa sa kaso ni Erap. Okay…if Erap was not pardoned, then he goes straight to Muntinlupa prison. He has to wait for years…as long as 10 more years appealing with Supreme Court. In the meantime, either GMA has completed her stolen term and is able to continue to remain in power by amending the constitution. Erap’s mother has died. The administration crooks continue with their money-making activities. Singson and FVR continue to enjoy their privileges and abuse. Have you guys thought about the above scenario if Erap was not pardoned? Puro dada…tigil na nga iyan!
Wow, biglang kambio ang Tribune! Hindi na demonya ang balita nila tungkol kay Gloria Kulimbat pagkatapos ng pardon ni Erap na hindi nangangahulugang hindi siya nabatikan! Bilib ka sa kawalan ng mga moralidad!
Nakalimutan nila na itong pardon na ito ay hindi dahilan para alisan ng kasalanan si Gloria Kulimbat sa ginawa niyang pangloloko sa mga pilipino, una sa pag-agaw niya ng trono ni Erap, at pangalawa sa pagnanakaw niya ng boto na para dapat doon sa ipinahamak ni Erap na kaibigan niyan si FPJ.
Golly, kasama yata sa plano pa ang pagsira ng reputation ng mga taong tumulong kay Gloria Kulimbat noong 2001 na ngayon ay sising-sisi sa ginawa nila dahil mas demonyo pala ang tinulungan nila!
Para sa akin itong ginawa ni Erap ay pagta-traydor sa mga sumuporta sa kaniya. OK, kung hindi na siya makatiis na sitting pretty siya doon sa resthouse niya na may guwardiya kuno at masarap naman ang kinakain gaya noon ni Ninoy na pa-golf-golf pa, pardon tinanggap niya na hindi na niya pinuri pa ang nagwalanghiya sa kaniya. Iba iyong tunay na pagpapatawad sa kinakalakal na pagpapatawad sa totoo lang. But then, makikita ba iyan ng isang taong walang moralidad sa simula pa?
Kung sabagay, Does God only choose good government leaders that will be a relative blessing to the nation involved? Not necessarily.
There was an old judge and prophet in Israel named Samuel. The elders (senior representatives) of the people told him, “We want a king just like all the other nations.” This made Samuel sad. But God said, “Heed the voice of the people . . .for they have not rejected you, but they have rejected Me, that I should not reign over them” (1 Samuel 8:4-7).
So God gave them Saul as king. He could have served well, but instead became a paranoid egotist. God will do the same for any nation today. He will give a people the leader they so selfishly desire—and therefore so profoundly deserve!
There you have it, guys! It’s your choice, sabi nga!
I recommend, Patalsikin na, now na!
Pechanco,
Nakakaaliw lang na pag-usapan ang mga senaryong posibleng gawin ni Erap, pero sa totoo lang ay hindi natin alam ang kanyang nais gawin. Kahit mag-cruise pa sila ni Loi ng habangbuhay, huwag lang sanang pakikipagsabwatan kay Gloria.
TP:
Erap cannot be history. Kita mo nga ang ginagawa ngayon ni Gloria Kulimbat, et al. I bet you, nandoon na si Uncle Johnny, Brenda and Angara trying to convince him to join them kasama na si Oreta at Vic Sotto and serve in whatever capacity to glorify the queen.
Kailangan ni Gloria Kulimbat si Estrada for her own selfish gain. Pangtakip butas sa totoo lang. And this is actually what Filipinos should not allow to happen. Pero tignan mo ang nangyayari, imbes na lumaki na sana ang mga pilipinong handa nang makibaka laban kay Kulimbat, biglang kambio iyong mga supporter ni Erap sa kabila.
Balik na naman lalo sa divide and rule ang walanghiya! Bakit hindi nagsasawa ang mga pilipino diyan? Nakikita na ang pang-aabuso, tino-tolerate pa rin. Sasabihin pa ng mga corrupt, “kung si Kristo, nagpatawad tayo pa kaya?”
Yuck! Anong katwiran iyan?
Naroon na ako mga kumare. Quite frankly, hindi ko rin gusto ang medyo lambingan nina Erap at GMA. I didn’t expect Erap and Loi to call GMA as President Arroyo. Kahit na si Atty. Flaminiano eh tawag na ngayon kay GMA, Madame President. Buti pa si Rene Saguisag Mrs. Arroyo pa rin. It has now become clear to me why Jinggoy kinda jumped to the administration side last time. Hindi ba nagulat tayo sa mga comments at statement niya noon which were friendly to the administration? We suspected that something could be cooking up between the Erap and GMA side. At tutoo nga kung talagang bati na ang dalawa. If Erap accepts a government position from GMA, I shall join you against him and GMA. In the meantime, let’s give Erap a little space and break. Kalalaya lang eh puro batikos tayo na wala naman matibay na ebidensiya na talagang nakikipagsabwatan na sila.
I understand that Yuko feels so let down by Erap’s begging for and eventually accepting pardon from this bogus president because she was one of those who worked hard, eg., copying, distributing Erap’s biographic film, blogging about him and the conditions in which a duly elected president’s rights were violated at the highest levels as well as blogging for his rights to be restituted, etc. She’s done these things in this blog and in cyberspace, because of her convictions.
I do believe she has every right to feel cheated and to feel aggrieved. Let’s not judge her sentiments on the basis of her religion — it is unfair.
I don’t feel the let down because I’ve always known that Erap is not made of stern stuff and did not expect him to be a true hero in the truest sense of the word.
But I agree that he has acted decently while he was president vis a vis the citizens of this country, that he allowed the course of the rule of law to proceed without trying to obstruct it and in that sense, he has a higher and better moral fiber than many of our politicians would ever have.
Meanwhile, I think we should not allow Gloria to divide us — instead we should focus on giving her a hard kick on her backside. Let Erap go — let him be a plain citizen Erap.
I think the nation will better off without those two, Gloria & Erap and without their ugly melodramas that sully the political landscape.
Tama ka, Anna, any movement led by fornicators like Chavit should not be supported even if it meant the removal of Gloria Kulimbat.
There is nothing good about doing things merely for expediency, just like what Erap did. Mahirap ang ganyan as Filipinos have witnessed time and time again.
That is why, as I have stated in another loop, I will wait for the time when Trillanes is able to save his country and people even perhaps with the help of the few good men now in incarceration. Mga bagong sibol ang dapat hanapin, hindi iyong mga dati nang mga garapal.
Pati na iyong mga anak ng mga garapal should not be patronized as a matter of fact. Tama rin ang wisdom ng mga hapon sa totoo lang tungkol sa bagay na iyan. Dito pag nasira ang isang politiko, buong angkan niya kasama sa batikos ng lipunan kaya sila nagpapakamatay to save their honor, their name and their family. Sayang walang ganyang kultura ang mga pilipino!
Meanwhile, tuloy ang batikos! Huwag huhupa! Patalsikin na, now na!
Anna,
Nainis lang ako but was not really let down by Erap, hindi gaya ni Yuko na all out ang ginawa kay Erap kaya sabi ko nga that I understand from where Yuko is speaking. I’d feel cheated also if I did what she did for Erap.
Why should one be let down by Erap’s release? I don’t think Erap begged for pardon. He asked for pardon but did not beg.
If he begged, maraming conditions ang nasa agreement. I would think it was GMA who begged Erap to seek for pardon for her political survival. Tandaan niyo na si Sec. Puno ang errand boy ni GMA. It was Puno who kept going to Tanay to see Erap. If Mike Defensor was still with the cabinet, siguro siya ang errand boy because he’s been working on Erap’s house arrest from the very beginning. Let me go back to my previous question: What if Erap is not pardoned? What would happen? What would you do?
Pechanco,
Re: “Why should one be let down by Erap’s release? ”
Someone felt let down by Erap for accepting the pardon… period! That’s a perfectly acceptable sentiment! A person has the right to feel let down if she feels she’s been let down. What’s the problem?
Thanks, Anna, for the kind words. You bet that despite my abhorrence for Erap’s fornication, I tried to support the good things that he was willing to do for his people.
You’re right, I felt betrayed by his acceptance of this farcical act by the Kulimbat, and just as I was
vocal about him being given justice for the wrong done him, I am now being vocal against this injustice that he has allowed himself to be subjected into for his own selfish ambition and comfort. Hindi biro iyong ginagawa kong nagdi-distribute ng “To Live for the Masses” niya for free. Pera din iyan sa totoo lang! Kasi I definitely put my money where my mouth is!
Akala ko kasi may natitira pang dangal ang taong iyan. Wala rin pala. And that is a big disappointment, Anna. Golly, akala ko pa naman may yagbols, wala pala! Mapapahiya ako doon sa mga kakilala kong galit na galit kay Erap at ipinagtatanggol ko pa siya sa kanila. I hate to be told, “Kita mo na, sabi na nga namin sa iyo. Ayaw mo pang maniwala.”
I should have stuck to my first impression of the guy as a matter of fact. Wala talagang moralidad, hindi ko dapat na sinuporta no matter what!!!
Gotta be careful next time! Will try to heed only the promptings of the Holy Ghost more from now on!!! Won’t even be bothered by blasphemers as a matter of fact. We’ll remember this quote from the Bible, “Touch not my anointed ones, do my prophets no harm!” (Psalm 105:15). In short, hindi na ako paloloko!
Ellen,
Re: “If it happens to be anti-Gloria, it’s because Gloria is the epitome of falsehood and injustice.”
I agree without any reservation: Gloria is the epitome of falsehood and injustice.
I second the motion. She is in fact the epitome of all that God hates: These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.(Prov. 6:16-19).
Patalsikin na, now na!
Wow, Yuko! How powerful!
A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.(Prov. 6:16-19).
Good heavens — how extraordinary that the Poverb is so exact!
Inquirer reports that Estrada might come to Europe. If he goes to either Paris or Brussels, I will try to meet him and ask him a few questions.
Sinabi mo pa, Anna. Kaya nga galit ako kay Erap ngayon dahil sumuko siya sa isang kampon ni Satanas!
Hindi paglalait iyan. Pagsasabi iyan ng katotohanan!!! Mahirap ang mga walang disposition sa totoo lang.
Kawawang Pilipinas!
“She is in fact the epitome of all that God hates”
Amen!
Don’t know if this Philstar news is the first scene of the remake of “Lintik lang ang walang ganti”….
“Manila Mayor Alfredo Lim said he plans to invite Estrada to the Manila City Hall and set an official welcome ceremony for the former president.
“He said Estrada’s visit will delight Manila residents who have supported the ex-president while he was detained.”
Heh! Lights, camera, action!!!!
Never have I heard something like this done in Japan, Anna. Shocking!
Kung kaibigan ni Lim si Erap, dapat personal invitation na lang sa bahay niya. Baka masupla siya dahil I am pretty sure maraming katulad ko ang nawalan ng gana. Hindi pa ako beneficiary niyan ha!
# AdeBrux Says:
October 28th, 2007 at 12:45 am
Pechanco,
Re: “Why should one be let down by Erap’s release? ”
Someone felt let down by Erap for accepting the pardon… period! That’s a perfectly acceptable sentiment! A person has the right to feel let down if she feels she’s been let down. What’s the problem?
—-Sinong nagbigay sa iyo na isang estudyante ang turuan ang kanyang teacher? Hirap dito kampihan na lang. If Erap is now history; then let’s stop talking about him. Kung gusto niyo mag-create tayo ng isang bagong blog na “Return Erap to Tanay”. To those who were let down by Erap’s pardon, may I offer you a song from the Beatles “Don’t Let Me Down”.
Ellen, Ka Enchong
I was re-reading the comments and I was a bit surprised when I read Ka Enchong’s comments referring to Pechanco and addressing him Art.
Just want to know, are Pechanco and Artsee one and the same?
Hindi kaya si erap ay napagaya na kay “Mark Jimenes”. Hwag naman sana mahirap din kase ang nakukulong tapos pagkaisahan ka pa ng malalapit mong kaibigan. Hindi ba nakakabaliw yun.
Tama na sobra na. Wala na tayong magagawa kung si erap ay huminge ng pardon. Isipin na lang natin nagaya siya kay Mark Jimenes at kay GOD na lang maglilingkod. Hanapin at piliin natin ang dapat na mamuno sa bayang Pilipinas at sa ikagaganda nito upang tayo ay magkaisa na.
tikbalang,
Kung ang mga personalidad lang ngayon ang pagpipilian na bagong lider, madaling makapili. Hindi pa pwede si Trillanes na isabong dahil sa age at kailangan pa niya ang experiences.
Unless na merong sumulpot na talagang gigising at mage-excite sa imagination ng pinoy gaya ng Trillanes phenomenon, meron namang ayos ang performance sa Senado ngayon.
Chi, we’re back to the basic question of who should be the next leader. Many want Trillanes now but the guy does not meet the age requirement to be President. If you pick those in the Senate, si Ping Lacson lang ang medyo okay.
What do former US president Gerald Ford, former South Korean president Kim Dae Jung, and Philippine President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo have in common?
They all granted pardon to former presidents of their countries.
Gerald Ford, who assumed the presidency after his predecessor Richard Nixon resigned amid the Watergate scandal, pardoned Nixon on August 9, 1974. Ford suffered a huge decline in his approval rating after his decision. According to US pollster Gallup, Ford’s initial approval rating of 71 percent dropped to 50 percent after issuing the pardon.
In 1987, South Korea’s Kim Dae Jung pardoned two military dictators and former presidents Roh Tae Woo and Chun Doo Hwan after the latter spent two years in prison. Roh and Chun were found guilty for their roles in a coup in 1979 and a violent crackdown of protesters in 1980, and for accepting bribes from businessmen.
Other leaders who had granted pardons to former high-ranking officials and opposition leaders found guilty of committing crimes include:
* Rwandan president Paul Kagame, who in April 2007 granted a pardon to his predecessor Pasteur Bizimingu. Bizimingu was found guilty of embezzlement, forming a militia, and inciting violence and was sentenced to 15 years imprisonment.
* King Norodom Sihamoni of Cambodia, who in 2006 granted the request of Prime Minister Hun Sen to pardon opposition leaders Sam Rainsy and Cheam Channy. Rainsy, who was on self-exile in France when the pardon was granted, was found guilty of defaming the prime minister and National Assembly President Prince Norodom Ranariddh. He was sentenced—in absentia—to 18 months in jail. Meanwhile, Channy, who was found guilty of planning to overthrow the government, had served the first year of his seven-year sentence when the pardon was issued.
* Kazakhstan’s president Nursultan Nazarbayev, who in 2003 granted a pardon to jailed opposition leader Mukhtar Ablyazov. Ablyazov, a founding member of the Democratic Choice of Kazakhstan movement and a former energy minister, was serving a six-year prison sentence for corruption.
* Former Argentina president Carlos Menem, who in 1990 granted a pardon to jailed former military president Leopoldo Galtieri. Galtieri was a general who served as Argentina’s president from December 1981 to June 1982. His forces annexed the British Falkland Islands in April 1982, resulting in a two-month war with Britain. He was found guilty of mishandling the Falklands War and was serving time in prison when pardoned. However, he was re-arrested and tried for human rights abuses in 1990. Galtieri died while on house arrest.
So what’s wrong if Erap got pardoned?
Pechanco,
Yup, si Ping nga ang tinutukoy ko.
Ping is the only most consistent opposition at present. Hindi nag-iiba at pinaninindigan ang kanyang ipinaglalaban. If Ping is for President in 2010 which he richly deserves, then who is the Vice Pres?
Pechanco;
If you read my previous post I stand by your opinion in Erap’s pardon.
The sad thing and paradox is that some become activist in their turning back of the clock who are ranting.It is anachronistic and hearkens back to a time when some of us disagree for a pardon come from a person they hate.We knew it then, and know it now,Erap been waiting for the rest of the nation to get a clue and now maybe can have one, still stuck in a powerful loop of psyops, corporately-inspired bigot complicity, dissembling that keeps us spinning — the Midget is still in control.
I’m tired of hearing that they mean well of those who disagree with the pardon for whatever reasons. The leadership of the opposition does not mean well at all; in pursuit of power for powers sake, in desire to remake the country in their own image, they mean to radicalize their agenda permanently and force feed it to the people. The followers of the opposition do not mean well, they are small and petty people, half-cooked in consciousness and tribal at best; I would suggest that they are only barely aware of their own internal bias and hatefulness, which leads them to project out on the enemy and their leaders play their failings like a cheap fiddle.Our country is lost in religious crackpottery, so there is no help there — only life itself can wear them down; the rest are at play, kept in the game by the wanna win message and fear-tapes that put them in defensive posture.They are old paradigm people in a world birthing a new paradigm,Let’s accept it and move on! Probably Erap is tired and he want to rest, anyway, Punggok days are numbered according to Tabako and that makes them even more merciless in their desire to prevail. Malacanang is demoralized and restless with all scandals, wondering if it can get its wet dream of a candidate and give it another chance to win, Punggok appears to be gobbling this bait whole with the help of churches. We’re getting steamrollered by a witless religious party!
Happy Birthday sa Ellenville. Two years old na ito.
Salamat, Ellen.
“The followers of the opposition do not mean well, they are small and petty people, half-cooked in consciousness and tribal at best; I would suggest that they are only barely aware of their own internal bias and hatefulness, which leads them to project out on the enemy and their leaders play their failings like a cheap fiddle” – cocoy
i agree with cocoy. thats it
Lacson for President? in fairness to Sen. Lacson, he has always been vigilant, annoying at most times but its not enough to think that he is capable of leading our country. Not to mention that he has not proven any of his allegations up until now. And by the way, why is it that we require the next leader to be a real opposition figure? Is that what our country needs? its self-gratifying knowing that we only want them elected because they are the most anti-gloria, and the most likely to carry out revenge. Our next leader should be competent, honest, capable, and have a vision to move our country forward, a person that can carry out decision how unpopular it maybe, and not another media-blitz-dependent opposition.
Anna,
I recall having read a post from “artchi” (if my recollection is right) complaining about being unable to use artchi in logging in, so he used the pechanco handle.
Ping for president? Sorry, di ako bilib! May vested interest din. Sakripisyo para sa bayan? He cannot even sacrifice his candidacy last election 2004 para isa lang ang oppositon candidate. Kung hindi sa kanyang ambisyong pansarili, di naging success ang pandaraya ni Gloria. For me, he is not a good team player. And besides tama si Duren, wala pa siyang napapatunayan. Maingay lang si Ping na oposisyon!
Hi Ka Enchong,
Thanks for the info.
Naku Luz, they all have vested interests kung sa vested interest lang. Almost acceptable if only they could learn to classify their vested interests accordingly, eg., good governance, i.e., be even handed where population is concerend because in so doing, the politician should think that he could keep his vested interest if he doesn’t forget that his very existence depends on the good will of the people, also, put a ceiling to corruption say, 5% at most so at least hindi garapalan, etc.
That’s how politicians with vested interests operate in other countries particularly in Malaysia.
Hindi naman kasi puwedeng erradicate completely ang corruption so short of something utopic, ito na lang…
Ka Enchong, it’s this handle maarte that’s the same as pechanco. Now that I can’t log into this blog using pechanco, I tried this “maaarte” and it went through. Why they did it to my penchanco handle, I have no clue. Iyong message na nai-post ko sa unang thread using pechanco tinanggal. Now, if they still want to take out this other handle “maaarte”, then there’s nothing I could do.
Here’s my prediction after Erap’s pardon:
Give Erap two to three weeks. Babanat na naman iyan kay GMA. So what did GMA get? Natauban lang niya panandali ang
issues ng bribery at ZTE. Pero babalik din iyan pagkatapos ng Undas. This is the witching hour. Beyond next week, when the ghosts keep GMA beloved company, matatauhan na naman ang sambayanan.
Kung hindi si Ping Lacson dahil wala pang napapatunayan. Sino ang dapat mamuno sa bansang Pilipinas. Si idol sen. Trillanes bata pa nga daw hindi pa pwede, tutal ang sabi ng iba mas maganda noong panahon ni Marcos. Si Bongbong Marcos kaya? Tiyak ko madami din tototol, wala ng mapag pipilian.
tikbalang,
Basta ako, kung walang personalidad as exciting as Trillanes na lalabas between now and 2010…kay Ping na ako.
I don’t worry about the past. Kung hindi man nagbigay si Ping kay FPJ, panalo pa rin ang aking presidente Da King sa totoo lang kahit dinaya pa ni Gloria. That’s enough comfort for me.
Ang galit ako talaga ay kay Noted Kiko (susunod kay Gloria)!
Chi,
Ang basa ko kasi kay Ping, pailalim tumira. Yan ay sa akin lang. Para sa akin mas marami siyang magagawa bilang senador lalo na sa mga investigations dahil andyan ang expertise niya, kaya lang wala pa siyang napapatunayan sa mga exposè niya.
Luz’s observation about Ping is correct. Kung minsan hindi ko rin maintindihan ang mga salita at kilos ni Ping. Maybe his military background and position with the intelligence groups in the past make his actions unpredictable and suspicious. Pero okay siya…palaban kasi. Sa lahat ng mga senador, siya lang ang nakikita kong consistent at tunay na opposition (of course including Nene Pimentel). If we have no one to pick outside of the Senate, and if we should pick someone within the Senate, I think Ping is the best at this time.
Luz n’ artsee,
Kaya ang sabi ko ay kung walang maka-excite sa aking imagination na susulpot from now to 2010.
Chi,
Nuon kasing panahon ng Jose Pidal, sinabayan ng threat na bubuksan ulit yung kaso ng Kuratong Baleleng. Then biglang nanahimik si Ping. Tapos ganun din nung eleksyon 2004. Intriga pa nga na naki-pagdeal siya kay Gloria para di ituloy yung Kuratong kapalit din ng pagtakbo niya bilang Presidente, para nga mahati ang boto ng oposisyon. Kaya kahit anong pakiusap na umatras siya di niya ginawa kasi bukas ulit yung kaso niya sa Kuratong Baleleng. Mula nuon duda na ko sa kanya.
Saan ba maingay si Ping ngayon against Gloria? Di na masyadong kinatatakutan ni Gloria yung mga expose ni Ping. Kasi may hold na siya sa kanya. Kaya pag-asa ni Ping mawala nga si Gloria (syempre kasama mawawala si Berroya na nemesis ni Ping) para di na mabuksan yung Kuratong Baleleng case niya.
Ano ba ang mga pro-poor programs ng rehimeng Arroyo? Ito ba ay libreng instant noodles, isang kilong bulok na NFA bigas o expired na gamot para sa mga squatter? Gina-gago ni Erap ang mga masang Pilipino kapalit ang kanyang kalayaan. Hindi magtagal baka maging endorser siya ni Gloria kagaya ni Manny Pakyaw. GMA pro-poor programs? Tell that to the Marines!
Tama ka rin, Diego. Saan kukuha ng pera at budget ang gobyerno para sa pro-poor program ni Erap? Siguro papayagan si Erap na magnegosyo uli ng jueteng. He can always hire Atong Ang back anytime.
1989 Prangkahan Bulgaran Artistahan
He was deprived of 5th unprecedented MVP plum, to give way for a record rookie-mvp award of that year
“Forget about the Erap’s pardon. Move on,” they say. But what they are forgetting is that the law has been ignored again. Rule of law is nada to this government.
Gloria Kulimbat may have not declared officially Martial Law, but what she has been doing is worse than what Marcos, the lawyer, did during his reign. At least, Marcos tried to make a semblance of some law by drafting first the law that will make his action legal as when he established the Batasan for instance.
The criminal has not done that. What she does is bribe anyone who can come to her rescue, beck and call. And presto, she is safe even when her action has no legal basis, for pardon for instance are granted on recommendation of some pardoning committee as in the case of Japan, where BTW pardons are granted by the Emperor, not the Prime Minister.
What is abhorrent about this Erap pardon in fact is that the creep did this to cover up another scandal.
Funny how the Erap fans would say “Erap should be forgiven!” Question is what is he going to be forgiven for?
I have actually posted this in another blog. I thought I’d post it here as well as a kind of adieu.
I’ll leave you guys with the bickerings. There are a lot of things to do. You bet, I have already seen a lot of miracles that I know for sure what my little efforts can do. I don’t even have to mention them but results indeed we have seen, and reason I guess why a lot many groups of Filipinos in and out of the Philippines seek me and my group for help!!!
OK iyong yakity, yakity yak as a matter. Just don’t forget to put your money, etc. where your mouth else. Put some sweets and balmers, too, not just viles! Sayonara everyone!
…OK iyong yakity, yakity yak as a matter. Just don’t forget to put your money, etc. where your mouth IS…