Statement from Maj. Gen. Renato Miranda, Brig. Gen. Danny Lim and the rest of the 28 officers detained in Camp Capinpin on Dolorfino’s statement that he does not think the bribery issue would be a source of grumbling among soldiers:
“Speak for yourself, you sycophant general. It hardly affects you because you have got it so good enjoying all the perquisites dispensed by an illegitimate leadership bereft of moral scruples which perpetuates itself through bribery and corrupting others.
“You’ve got it made. All for your blind loyalty and myopic sense of professionalism. If pervasive corruption and the strak truth don’t bother you, the soldiers are deeply affected by them.
“Tell that to the Marines who arein harm’s way in Sulu and Basilan who have been promised a pittance increase in their combat pay. No funds for them but Malacañang can afford to give everytoady congressman, governor, and other local officials half a million pesos each.
“He said professionalism should reign regardless of personal and political interest and the AFP neutral at all times.
“We totally agree. But it’s not professionalism and neutrality when your chief of staff cheats in elections and in the process dragging the AFP in partisan politics. He continues to lie up to this time.
“You’re not a professional and neutral when you continue to keep a blind eye. There’s no such thing as being neutral when it comes to the truth.
“Dolorfino cited Tadiar’s professionalism refusing orders to fire at protesters and rebellious soldiers during the events of February 1986. We wholeheartedly agree with him. And being the professional that he claims to be, just like Tadiar, Dolorfino should refuse to obey when ordred by the butchers in Malacañang and Aguinaldo to fire at the crowds and violently disperse them. Even if there’s a lot in it for him from Malacañang.
“He talks of military adventurism. It’s not adventurism to stand up and be counted on the side of the truth. It is a serious duty for those who are not blinded by other considerations especially self-aggrandisement.”
by Victor Reyes
Marines commandant Maj. Gen. Ben Dolorfino yesterday said the Marines are “in one way or another affected” by the reported bribery on congressmen to derail impeachment moves against President Arroyo.
But he said he does not think if the bribery issue would be a source of grumbling among soldiers. Nevertheless, he warned his men against engaging in military adventurism as he said this could lead to bloodshed and civil war.
He said a soldier’s professionalism should reign over “respective personal and political interests” and that the Armed Forces must stay neutral at all times.
“If the Armed Forces joins (any anti-government move), there is no other group that will benefit from it but the enemies of the state — the CPP/NPA (Communist Party of the Philippines-New People’s Army), the rebel groups, the terrorist groups, the organized crime groups — and it’s not far-fetched, there is going to be civil war if the Armed Forces of the Philippines will be involved,” Dolorfino said after the formal opening of bilateral exercises between Filipino and American troops at the Marines headquarters in Fort Bonifacio, Taguig City. “We cannot discount that possibility (civil war).”
Dolorfino said the Edsa 1 or the People Power Revolt in 1986 that ousted Ferdinand Marcos would have turned bloody had then Marines commandant Brig. Gen. Artemio Tadiar followed orders from his superiors to open fire at protesters.
“If the commandant of the Marines then was not as professional as General Tadiar, it could have become a bloody confrontation between pro-government and anti-government forces. So we cannot take chances as far as the use of military force is concerned,” he said.
He said the 120,000-strong Armed Forces is “the only institution entrusted by society to maintain peace and order, so what will happen if we will be involved in political squabbling?”
Dolorfino, who assumed the post of Marines chief last month, said he has been making the rounds to tell his officers and men to stay “apolitical at all times.”
The Arroyo government has survived two major military uprisings since 2001.
The first was a mutiny staged by some 300 junior officers and enlisted personnel in July 2003 in protest of what the mutineers said was corruption not only in the military but also in government.
The second was in February last year when high-ranking officers and their men, including former Marines commandant Maj. Gen. Renato Miranda, were supposed to withdraw support from the Arroyo government. Also implicated in the supposed February plot were Brig. Gen. Danilo Lim, then commander of the Army Scout Rangers, and two Medal for Valor awardees – Col. Ariel Querubin and Lt. Col. Custodio Parcon, both of the Marines.
Malaya’s story (oct. 18,2007): ‘Plotters’ say Marines chief talking through his hat on bribery
Ma-realize sana nang mga sundalo na Pinapaikot lang sila ni Esperon at ni GMA…kala ko matalino ang mga sundalo pero sunod sunuran lang pala sila sa General nilang Corrupt.! Gising kayo, samantalang nagpapakamatay kayo sa laban para sa bayan ang mga amo niyo ay busy sa pagnanakaw…Ano nangyari sa hini-hingi niyong dag-dag allowance na pinangako ni GMA ? P150 na allowance niyo di pa maibigay, samantalang ang mga corrupt na congressman nag almusal lang sa Malakanyang may pabaon pang pera….Panahon na ! ipaglaban niyo naman ang sambayanan sa mga kurakot na nakapwesto.. Maawa kayo sa mga tao….
Civil war? I don’t think so. The next revolution will be fast and furious, with junior officers taking a more aggressive stance by isolating their senior counterparts who are perceived to be protectors of this mammoth criminal syndicate calling itself government.
The soldiers have learned their lessons, the hard way. Announcing your plans to the generals and hoping to win them over to your side would only land them in jail.
The use of force this time will be directed against these same officers who have destroyed the military as an institution that used to serve the people and not just political interests.
There is no other way to do it.
We are almost there, General. Only the blind doesn’t see. This time it will really be a bloody war. There will be no more fence sitters. Each one has to take sides. It’s either you are pro-Arroyo or a rebel soldier. We go back to “Tama Na, Sobra Na.” I believe the professional soldiers and the patriotic Pinoys are wide awake and for sure, they could no longer stomach what’s happening in the country. There’s too much of every nasty thing and too little of food on the table of the ordinary pinoy. Too much of rhetorics and grandstanding and too little education to the ordinary pinoy. Too much of corruption and bribery and too little money in the pocket of the ordinary pinoy. If Jose Rizal was alive, he will surely cry.
Civil war? Bwahahahahah!
Dolforino is exaggerating again! Just because the AFP plonkers say they’ve got a list of four names of junior officers whom they claim are preparing a coup d’état, they believe that’s there might be a civil war?
The AFP can’t even get their attempted coup d’états right and they speak of civil war? Heh!
Shut up Sergeant before you say any more inanities! This is an order! (Pillock!) Come out when the Marines have shown their true mettle, until then zip it, zap it, shut it you plonker!
What cash gifts? Deny to death ang Malacanang katulad nang naiposte ko na. Ang P500,000.00 iniabot kay Gob. Panlilio ay ipinalalabas na walang bigayang nangyari, hindi galing kay glorya. Wala. Nada. Zilch. Hahahaha!!!! Lokohin ninyo ang lelong niyong naka-wig.
Samantala, ang combat pay ng sundalo sa halagang P150.00 a month, walang pondo! At ayon ito kay esperon. Mga sundalo, iumang na ninyo ang inyong baril sa kinauukulan at paputukan na! Huwag na ninyong hayaang patuloy na ginugutom ang inyong pamilya.
Front page sa dyaryo, isang batang paslit, anak ng isang magsasaka, may hawak na pinggang walang laman at sa tabi ay karatula na nagsasaad: PAGKAIN KO, BAKIT INAGAW MO? Mga nabigyan ni glorya ng maagang pa-CASH-KO, ang perang pwedeng pambili ng pagkain ng mahihirap, inagaw ninyo at ibinulsa. Mga walang hiya kayo!!! Nasaan ang konsensiya ninyo? Oops,wala nga pala kayong konsensiya. Sorry.
Funny how the conditions that Rizal described and lamented about more than a centuries ago still exist. No thanks to the hacienderos, many of whom got their landholdings in fact even by landgrabbing even by their parents, many of whom were friars who ruled the Philippines in the Name of God (kuno) but in the ways of the devil.
Filipinos even now still suffer what is more aptly described as slave mentality, and reason why even public servants would not do anything to remove abusive officials, elected and otherwise, for fear of being removed from office and suffer hunger and starvation with no chance of getting employed for one’s ability and qualifications and not because of connections.
This is one reason why oppressed soldiers of the Philippines would not dare fight this oppressive regime and be still loyal even to a criminal that they know cheated in the election with the help of officers in their units.
In fact the money gift-giving is one way of quelling any attempt to unseat the criminal, who is loving the adulation, flattery and all after the early Christmas celebration. Trabaho talaga ng demonyo ang ungas! But don’t be deceived, guys, iyong gaga taga-implement lang iyan ng mga plano at gawain ng asawang halimaw! Pa-cute-cute lang at palandi-landi lang iyan na may kasama pang pang-uto sa mga malilibog when she was distributing her gift, may palabas-labas pa iyan ng salawal pihado dahil hindi tinuruan ng nanay niya na umupo ng mahusay para hindi makita ang salawal! Hindi siya that good girls never sit like a burikak!!!
Nakakasuka? You bet!
…Hindi siya TINURUAN that good girls never sit like a burikak!!!…
Over in Japan, bribery is strictly prohibited. Even contributions to political parties are regulated, and made sure that they are not briberies. Politicians are strictly prohibited from making contributions that may be conceived as briberies, etc. Even when we have reason to be grateful and give gifts as tokens of gratitude, goodwill, etc., by law, it is strictly prohibited.
Many years ago, I tried to give a doll to a woman at the Customs where I was doing translations out of goodwill and nothing else, but I was told to take it back, and never to do it again. No explanation of mine that I did it for goodwill’s sake, was accepted.
I learned later that the said woman employee was reprimanded and transferred elsewhere. I felt guilty about it, and the trouble I might have caused that female customs officer. I never became friendly with anyone in the government agencies that I worked in as interpreter/translator ever again. Mahirap nang masabit!
And that ladies and gentlemen is one reason why Japan is progressive and the crooks can easily be sifted and removed. I wonder when Filipinos can achieve this kind of progress.
No way? Yuck!
Marine Commandant ba talaga si Dolorfino, ang layo naman kung mag-analisa ng sitwasyon ang gagong ito.
Kakalula ang milyun-milyong halaga, na tiyak na galing sa kaban ng bayan, na ‘pamasko’ ni Gloria sa mga gobernadores at tongressmen, pero ang katiting na daily increase sa sweldo ng mga sundalo na ke tagal ng ibinalita ni Kwin Korap ay nada pa rin.
Akala ni Gloria basta si Asspweron ay nasa tadyang niya ay ligtas siya sa poot ng iba!
The Marine Commandant’s warning of a civil war is essentially telegraphing his fears – he is shaking in his boots. Good for him. It takes fear to wake him up from a nightmare called gorea.
TT: said “Civil war? I don’t think so. The next revolution will be fast and furious”
I agree, but don’t forget that Marines commandant Maj. Gen. Ben Dolorfino can only see the problem in the light of his air conditioned office, recognises that the troops are restive and understands why but thinks (hope’s) that along with Assperon they have the support of the troop majority.
It’s a numbers game, and these corrupt Generals will lose hands down – its time for them to earn their friggin dollars. Don’t pass GO and don’t collect 200 GO straight to jail. (smile)
wwnl, remind me pls, is that MONOPOLY?
Panakot lang ni Dolorfino yang ‘civil war’. Isang mapayapang Rebolusyon kung magiging mabilis ang mga pangyayari at tutulong agad ang taong bayan sa mga sundalong mag-uumpisa ng pag-aaklas sa peke at abusadong gobyerno ni Gloria. At ang faction ay mahahati sa grupo ng mga ‘Commanders/Junior officers/Ranks’ against sa mga GloriaGarci Generals. Major Gen. na si Dolorfino, pag-isipan na niya kung kaninong grupo siya sasama!
hahatiin ang pilipins penisula sa pito
ala heptarki?
hep hep hurray!
Ang hirap naman sa military, political kung election, apolitical naman pag may investigation. Parang Cameleon. Lagayan sa matataas, ni combat pay di abot sa ibaba. Mabuti pa takbo ang mabababa sa barangay election ngayon,at saka congress at senado sa 2010. Auto resign pag nagfile ng COC. Maraming pakinabang pag nanalo sa election. Di na sila hirap pa sa bundok. Hirap pa ang familya. Takbo sa halalan, may panahon pa. Ako nagfile na.
Pwedeng sabihin ni Sec. Andaya na walang pondong inilalabas ang DBM kaya hindi totoong namimigay sila ng pera at cash pa. Pero hindi tanga ang taong bayan na may perang hawak si glorya na hindi na kailangan ang proper documentation para i-release ang pondo.
Bukod sa PAGCOR at PCSO, nandyan ang Intelligence Fund. Ang tantya ko, more on Intelligence Fund ang ginamit ni Mely Poblador at kanyang galamay (tiyak namantikaan din ang mga ganid na ito) dahil pwede dyang walang dokumento when it comes to fund liquidation. Isusulat lang, by order of the prisedint, the amount of so and so is hereby disbursed for the purpose of insulting the intelligence of the people. Eh ang intelligence naman ng walang kwentang senatong, tongressmen, goberdatung, ay pera lang ang kapalit. Kaya nagkumahog ang sangdamukal ng mga garapal sa Malacanang dahil may nagbulong na tiyak na uulan ng datung. Kuhang kuha ni glorya ang kamada ng mga ganid sa pera. Mga kapwa ganid kasi, sila-sila nagkakaintindihan kaya kahit pitpitin ang bayag kung mayroon man, hindi aamin.
bago lang po ako dito..
pero di po kaya psyops lang ni Dolorfino ito?
Boss niya si Gloria, syempre maingat ang galaw nya,
di kaya tinatakot nya lang ang mga tao sa statements nyang ganito?
kumbaga pinapakita nya na magiging madugo ang magiging resulta ng susunod na magiging uprising kontra Gloria para nga naman madiscourage ang mga sundalo at pati na rin ang mga tao ay huwag suportahan ang ganitong aksyon.
Sa Bulacan, may nagsimula nang kalampagin si Gob. Mendoza sa kanyang tinanggap. May mga pumupunta na sa kapitolyo upnag makibahagi naman ng perang galing kay glorya.
Ganyan nga. Puntahan ninyo ang inyong tongressman, goberdatung at meyron, este meyo. Itanong ninyo ang perang galing glorya. Kalampagin ninyo. Humingi kayo ng kabahagi. At kahit hindi kayo nabigyan, ipamalita ninyo sa buong kabayanan, sa buong barangay na nabigyan kayo. Ipamalita ninyong marami pang perang ipamimigay at hinintay lamang ang mga tao. Dagsain ninyo ang mga opisina nila.
Wala yan si Dolorfino. Gusto lang ma-dyaryo. Ang babaw ng kanyang pinakawalang statement. Halukayin natin: “The Marines are “in one way or another affected” by the reported bribery on congressmen to derail impeachment moves against President Arroyo. But he said he does not think if the bribery issue would be a source of grumbling among soldiers”.
Sinabing affected ang mga sundalo in one way or another tapos sinabing it will not cause grumbling. Kapag apektado na, it’s grumbling already, At ano ba ang grumbling? Unti-unti nang umaangal. Mulat na ang mga mata. Naghihintay na lamang ng tamang oras. At ikaw Dolorfino, ikaw ang unang tatamaan. Una, magagalit sa iyo si esperon for issuing such conflicting statement. Ikalawa, kilala ng mga sundalo na isa kang duwag sa isang pangyayari sa Mindanao na sariwa pa sa kanilang isipan. Baka sa unang arangkada pa lamang ng grumbling soldiers, ikaw ang unang tatakbo.
Nasubukan na ba ni Major General Ben Dolorfino na magpa-shaved head?
o mag-ahit ng Balbas?
anu nga ang first name ni Teodosio noon sa July 27,2003?
Nag iingay si Gen. Dolorfino dahil na iingit sa mga na ambunan ng pera sa Malacanyang. Sorry na lang sa mga sundalo natin dahil ang halaga lang ninyo ay P150 at ang tagal pang i release ng Kumander in Thief. Kundi pa may nag sumbong ay hindi pa madadagdagan ang allowance ng mga Sundalo. Kaya inggit lang si Gen Dol dahil wala siya. Gen Dol itanong mo kay ASSPERON kung nasaaan ang para sa inyo. Biro ninyo ang cash allowance para sa sundalo ay P150 at sa combat pay iyun samantala sa mga kotongress ay half million na wala ka hirap hirap.
Kaya kapag na invite ang mga kotongreess at Gov at Mayor ay suot nila ang special made na pantalon na ang lalaki ng bulsa sa likuran para sa GOLDEN ENVELOPE.
Ngayon nag iingay si Gen Dolorfino magkano kaya ang makukuha niya. Naku baka mag selos si ASSPERON niya at hihingi ng mas malaki. Kawawa na naman ang tayo at ang magigiting sundalo natin.
Dolorfino: “civil war”? Tell that to the Marines..para magising sila..and they will fight for their rights..keep going Mr. Dolorfino, para gisingin sila..to stand up and ask for what is due them..civil war in the military is what I am praying for..among yourselves..generals and officers, active, retired or inactive..labo labo na kayo..and for the soldiers..just don’t take sides let’s just watch from the ringside..hayaan natin silang mag away away…sa kaguluhan hindi lang “brown bag na maylaman na pera ang bibigay” uulan ng pera from Malacanang..handa ninyo ang inyong payong..to catch the “pera from GMA” cash yon..
To: Marine Commandant Major General Dolorfino
In case of civil war, whose side are you on?
Maraming pera ang Malacanang mafia. Magkano ba general?
“Civil war” as in war that is civil, though parang oxymoron. Yung annual football game ng mga kadete ng West Point at ng Annapolis (Army vs. Navy) ay tinatawag na “civil war.” Baka in that vein ang ibig sabihin ni Dolorfino. A mad but peaceful scramble for receiving bribes!
As I see it, how can there be a civil war, the ordinary soldier’s salary isn’t even enough for his family? They won’t have enough money for the bullets that would chop their Generals! Agree, this is just a product of Dolorfino’s wild imaginations. Nagpapapansin lang… He hasn’t received his Share yet!
To hell with the BRIBER of Malakanyang! Ang tagal mo ng binababoy ang sambayanan! Tama na, Sobra na!
And IF ever there would be a civil war…may this happen only within the BRIBER’s domain. Spare the poor people from it!
Huwag na kayong mag taka sa tinuran ni Gen. Dolorfino..eh,isa yan sa mga myembro ng Mala-kanyang mafia…lahat ng appointee ni GMA ay sumumpang sa kanya lang mag lilingkod,hindi sa Bayan,hindi sa taong bayan kundi sa kanya lang…hindi lang sa militar kundi sa judicial man at lahat ng political appointee..ito’y naka plano,simula pa nuon mag agaw sya ng pwesto.
Pansinin nyo na lang ang tinuturan ngayon ni s.apostol,na hindi nang galing sa mala-kanya-ng ang perang pinamudmud sa mga alipores ni Pandakikay…hindi yata lumalabas ng lungga itong si apostol para maramdaman nya ang mapag uusig na mata ng mga mamamayan.
Kayo naman masyado naman kayong killjoy, di ba malapit ng mag-retire si General Halmoranas Assperon ay di siyempre magkakaroon ng re-organization,e sa gusto ni Dolorfino na maging Flag Officer in Command ng Navy o malay niyo maging CS.
Of course, ilalagay ng mga Pidal iyong mga kapareho nilang kurakot. Lamentably, mas marami ang kamukha nila with Filipino values gone to sewers. Napapakamot na nga lang ako ng ulo when I meet Filipinos for instance in Japan, who are willing to be sex slaved for instance, and say that God would understand but my old-fashioned Mom would not!
Listening to the priests, who have been beneficiaries of the Pidal charities, I know now where these Filipinos got their distorted values!!! Dios mahabagin!!!
Siguro sa palagay ni Gen. dolorfino,ay sakop nya ang damdamin ng mga marines…humahanga ako sa mga kasundaluhan na handang ipag tanggol ang bayan at mamamayan,at yong may prinsipyong ipinag lalaban…sumasaludo ako sa mga katulad ni Gen.Lim,Gen. Miranda,at LTSG. A.Trillanes…mabuhay kayo sampo ng inyong mga ka alyado sa militar…
NAKAKASUKA naman ang mag katulad ni assperon at dolpino este dolorfino pala
sa pag tatanggol sa katulad ni pandakikay…gumising kayo…
bilib ako sa talino ni dolpi na mag-analisa ng sitwasyon!
pero mahilig lang manakot. mana kay gloria arrovo at lover boy esPWEron.
PWE!
TT:
Monopoly money or Arroyo money not a lot of difference for the corrupt Congressmen, for them its all a game eh eh eh.
kadyo,
gusto mong bumaliktad si dolpinger laban kay gloria arrovo?
magkano?
he he he heeh!
sabihin mo ang presyo at baka magkasundo kayo.
kejotee Says:
October 17th, 2007 at 7:26 am
The Marine Commandant’s warning of a civil war is essentially telegraphing his fears – he is shaking in his boots. Good for him. It takes fear to wake him up from a nightmare called gorea.
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Well said, Kejotee ! It’s more like Dolorfino’s audience was “his” men more than the public. Didn’t FVR also, once upon a time, say this also na the next EDSA daw will be a civil war ? It’s more instilling fear is the only way to make the men in uniform toe the line & remain loyal to the Chain of Command (broken as it may be) !
What a desperate act of Dolorfino !
Chabeli
We can call him Desperate Dolorfino!
And we expect, like the unkind statement in Desperate Housewives, it will trigger some kind of outrage because this time, the soldiers are already grumbling, according to him. His pronouncement of impending civil war is a figment of his imagination because it’s a good reason for him and esperon and all generals tainted with graft to run with their loot of cash gifts and all kinds of suhol from glorya. At kung magkaroon talaga ng civil war, pagmasdan natin kung sinong unang tatakbo. Itong mga henerales na ito lalo na si Dolorfino. Takbo, Dolorfino, takbo!
Statement from Maj. Gen. Renato Miranda, Brig. Gen. Danny Lim and the rest of the 28 officers detained in Camp Capinpin on Dolorfino’s statemetn that he does not think the bribery issue would be a source of grumbling among soldiers:
Tama yan, Generals Miranda and Lim, upakan ninyo si Dolorfino whose statement of adventurism is lifted from a pronouncement in the past, I just can’t recall now from whom. Gagawa lang ng statement kinopya pa.
Walang binatbat itong si Dolorfino compared sa utak, paninindigan at pagkalalaki nina Miranda at Lim at Sen. Trillanes.
Folks, let me share with you this actual incident during my recent conversation with a friend who’s dying of cancer. In tears, he told me that he doesn’t want to die yet until GMA is ousted. He wants to see her go and punished before he dies. That’s how he hates GMA. Imagine how many of us Filipinos who feel the same way.
hindi na makakatanggi si dolorpinger sa mga kapritso ng lovers-in-crime na sina esPWEron at timang na glue.
hawak siya sa isa’t kalahati niyang bayag!
pechanco,
kahit nga ‘yung mga patay sa libingan, kung maaari lamang ay magsibangon sa ngitngit nila sa babaeng gahaman!
Malacañang: Military loyal amid bribery talk.
Mukhang kinakabahan ang bribery Queen.
I agree with their statement.
Yung rebellion ni Lucifer sa langit noon, may gumitna. Kaya ayan, kasama natin sila na huhusgahan ng lumikha sa panahon ng anihan.
Kung i-impeach nila yong bruha, maliban sa mga mamamayan ang isa pang taong masayang masaya ay itong isa ring gahaman at walang kuwentang Noli de Castro. Kaya walang politikong ma-oposisyon man o administrasyon na patalsikin yang Arroyo na yan sa ngayon. Kudeta ang kailangan natin.
What about Gov. Ed Panlilio for president?
etnad,
impeach the timang, kabayag succeeds. shoot him in the head, vilar is next in line. lasunin si villar, si jose tae nga ng daga ang papalit.
susmaryopes!
puro mga hayup ang nakalinya sa bulok at inuuod na trono ng baliw na babae!
Buti nga. Supalpal si Dolorfino.
Imagine Esepron telling the soldiers that due to “limitations of funds”, they won’t be getting what GMA promised them last August when se made that pasikat visit in Zamboanga after a series of military debacles.
The government daw cannot afford to give all soldiers assigned in the frontline the P150 daily combat incentive on top of the P240 monthly combat pay which was
announced by the President about two months in
Zamboanga City.
Wala palang pera para sa sundalo, why did she announce? Morale boosting visit daw. Kaipokritahan lang pala.
But she has millions for congressmen and local officials whom she needs to prop up her sagging regime.
gabriela,
katulad din ‘yan nu’ng butas ng karayom na maluwag pa kahit pasakan ng isang metro kuwadradong retaso.
wala sila kahit pisong duling upang limusan ang mga naghihingalo sa gutom subalit meron silang MILYON upang pasayahin ang mga ganid at kapwa nila gahaman!
abangan natin ang salitang pabalbal ni nero at nang mapakinggan ni san pedro, at siguradong kukulog!
Secretary Bunye said that he believes majority of soldier are loyal to the command, and he surely underestimated the Minority. A minority of One is enough to kick them all out of Malacanang or maybe out of the country… All it needs is a few good leaders in military to lead the pack of them, to withdraw their support to their Cheating, Bribing and Corrupted Chief…
“Magsasagawa diumano sila ng isang protest march sa Huwebes upang kundenahin ang alegasyon ng panunuhol at pamimigay ng pera. Inaasahang magtitipon sa Fort Bonifacio ang mga rallyista sa ganap na alas-2 ng hapon at sisimulan ang motorcade doon.” – Mark J. Ubalde, GMANews.TV
Bakit sa Fort Bonifacio sila magtitipon?
Vic, there’s the so called “silent majority”. Kapag inumpisahan ng ilan, maraming sasama at tuloy-tuloy.
“Secretary Bunye said that he believes majority of soldier are loyal to the command, and he surely underestimated the Minority.”
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The soldiers loyal to the GLORC? I don’t think so. They are loyal to their own selves and perhaps, their own families. Majority are now under threat and intimidation. “You don’t obey, you go to jail” is what seems to be the AFP policy under GLORC and Esperon and company. Others are just simply not ready yet to go hungry.
Kawawang mga sundalo! Mas grabe pa yata ang sitwasyon nila ngayon kesa noong WWII!!! Golly, hindi nila alam kung sino ang susundin–iyong kriminal o kanilang mga konsensiya.
BTW, regarding the war in heaven, only those capable of being resurrected, IMHO, will pass through the Last Judgment. Those who joined Lucifer were driven out of heaven, and are not gaining bodies. I doubt if they are capable of repentance and remorse, and so, no forgiveness!
GPS: Bakit sa Fort Bonifacio sila magtitipon?
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Yes, bakit hindi sa Plaza Miranda and then walk to Malacanang via that street along Echague?
GPS, please read my Abante column on the rally.
In the past car rallies (it’s the most inexpensive form of protest activity), we have always met at UCC, Fort Bonifacio for convenience. The parking space is ample and it’s a convenient waiting place.
Car rallies are inexpensive because kkb. Walang hakot. kasi kahit anong sabihin, if you ask poor people to join the rally, you have to provide fare or transport. Even if they believe in the cause, they won’t spend their last P50.00 for fare to go to the rally site.
This rally was organized only last Tuesday. Via text lang. Make your own posters.
With car rallies, it’s mostly middle class (which has always been the case in the past political upheavals). Those who don’t have cars, can wait for the caravan along Ayala Avenue and give support by joining in the chanting and the call for Gloria Arroyo to resign or be ousted.
I’m not sure but maybe we will have a brief program in Makati. Not sure yet. Depends on the rally permit.
Ellen,
Thanks a lot for the explanation, I was thinking of Fort Bonifacio ,the military camp, where the Marines are.
Ate Ellen,
sure na ba talaga yan? I live here in Makati and very near to Ayala ave. Go na Go ako, sasama talaga ako dyan.
ate Ellen pano naman yung mga walang car? like me? saan pwede pumunta or maghintay?
Watch out ka lang sa makati past from 3 pm. Look at my post on this. I’ll ask organizers if they will stop somewhere for a brief rally/speeches. I’ll update tomorrow.
Ellen,
Am trying to reach my brother and my sister so they could join rally. He must already be asleep.
I’ll call him late tonight my time or leave a message on his cell.
Anna, you may give them my number. I’d like to meet them if I make it at the rally (I’m having asthma attack).
Oh, take care of that asthma Ellen; take it easy – my sister too is so badly asthmatic. I think something to do with the odious pollution in Manila. (When she joined me in Malaysia, she had no attack whatsoever for 2 weeks but the minute she stepped out of the airport, she got sick and was bedridden because of asthma!)
The weather here is awful. It’s so hot and humid, then suddenly it rains.
MRivera:
“bilib ako sa talino ni dolpi na mag-analisa ng sitwasyon!
pero mahilig lang manakot. mana kay gloria arrovo at lover boy esPWEron.
PWE!”
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ka magno, pakilinaw nga. Si gloria at si lover boy esPWEron may relasyon?
Wow, bago itoh, ah!
# shivaRN Says:
October 17th, 2007 at 10:57 pm
Ate Ellen,
sure na ba talaga yan? I live here in Makati and very near to Ayala ave. Go na Go ako, sasama talaga ako dyan.
—-Mag-taxi ka na lang and then charge it to Ellenville. Sagot namin iyan dito. If the elite and middle class show force, GMA’s days are indeed numbered. May limitation ang masang mahihirap lalo na’t kung walang pondo. Wala na nga silang makain paano pa sila magra-rally. But if the middle class go out in the streets, then it’s a different story. Let me refresh your memory that the elite and middle class were instrumental in the downfall of two leaders in Edsa One and Two. Other key factors are support from the soldiers and church. Basta huwag lang makialam ang mga sundalo at simbahan, tiyak na talsik si Impakta. But then, what about Uncle Sam?
shivaRN Says:
October 17th, 2007 at 11:01 pm
ate Ellen pano naman yung mga walang car? like me? saan pwede pumunta or maghintay?
…This was the one that should have been posted by me above. shivaRN, biro ko lang na mag-taksi ka na lang. Are you RN? If you’re an RN in the states, may Mercedez o BMW ka. But in RP, I’m not surprised you don’t have a car. If you’re single, I offer my service. Sunduin kita at sakay ka sa akin. Payag ka?
Uy, may sundutan na, may sakayan pa. Ako pick-up ang dadalhin ko, sakay na ang gustong sumama. Pero, pagkatapos ko pang asikasuhin ang ilang bagay. pero sa Ayala rin iyon. Yung nakaraang motorcade (para kay Koko Pimentel ba yun?) sa Diosdado Macapagal Ave. hindi ko man lang nakita kung saan nagpunta. Pero itong isang ito, wala sanang bulilyaso.
Masaya yang rally na yan. Motorcade con confetti sa Ayala! Tara na! Mamigay kayo ng brown paper bags na ang laman bundles ng papel na nakalagay, “Gloria Resign!)
Talaga namang apektado ang rank and file nga mga sundalo. Aba, isipin mo Oktober pa lang, isang supot na pera na ang
nata tangap ng mga choosen few na ka allied ni GM, samantalang Combat pay, Sea duty pay o Hazardous pay hindi
man lang nag increase. Kaya, what did some of the members
of the APF resorted to, Sa Navy, Nag “pa ihi ng fuel,
nag benta ng supplies, pawn their M16, sold their extra
ammo, name all the kurakot you may think para makabawi man sabi nila. Tagal na tong style, simula pa ng reign ni Macoy.
Officer and Men knows about this. I”ll kiss their Ass if this is not true. Sabi nga ng CO ko noon, wait for you turn.
You will have you own time. Kung ano gingawa na kabulukan sa
itaas sinusunod din ng sa ibaba.
# Ellen Says:
October 17th, 2007 at 9:22 pm
Malacañang: Military loyal amid bribery talk.
Mukhang kinakabahan ang bribery Queen.
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Sige, manginig ka sa takot Impakta Gloria Lucifera y Hitlera!
Hindi matakot yan, dahil dating takot na Eh. Balita ko
nag pa “clone” na.
Tongue,
Fantastic idea! ” Mamigay kayo ng brown paper bags na ang laman bundles ng papel na nakalagay, “Gloria Resign!)”
penchanco,
Yup i’m a nurse but not in US (yet). Anyway I hope tuloy na tuloy na talaga mamaya. I can’t wait anymore, I don’t even care kung si Noli ang pumalit sa kanya, basta lumayas lang yang si Gloria.
Shiva, any plan to work abroad? I can help.
Please ignore the above offer since you said you already have plan to go to US. Good luck. My relative happens to be a nurse recruiter.
Ellen
So much has been written by bloggers about Mr. Dolorfino but not in this, my style. Their scalpels were sharp and painful, emanating from those of deep hurts and helplessness. Please skip or read on to cogitate the screeching of a rusty mind .
Here’s the news item: MARINES commandant Maj. Gen. Ben Dolorfino yesterday said the Marines are “in one way or another affected” by the reported bribery on congressmen to derail impeachment moves against President Arroyo.
RETORT: To say that the marines were “affected in one way or another” is not being wishy-washy but it is not saying bravely they were angry of the brazen crime of bribery. It is to play it safe, to be untruthful and to lie about the real situation. This is indicative of canine subservience to a master who will be hurt by the truth.
RETORT: To think not, that bribery will be a source of grumbling among soldiers is to avert the hatred in the soldiers’ eyes who are seething inside knowing that their generals wallow in bribes of perks, promotions and cash. Worse such thinking stupidly denies reality.
Retort: To think that fighting for one’s country, to be patriotic soldiers is merely engaging in “military adventurism” can only come from the brain cells of crooked minds of leaders who are traitors to their country and people.
He said a soldier’s professionalism should reign over “respective personal and political interests” and that the Armed Forces must stay neutral at all times.
RETORT: To say that “a soldier’s professionalism should reign over “respective personal and political interests” is to ask the soldiers to do what they have not done, not to be like them who allowed their “respective personal and political interests” to reign over their sworn duty to country.
Retort: To say that “Armed Forces must stay neutral at all times” is to exhibit a microscopic capacity to think. Any ordinary soldier knows he must stay neutral only and only at one time, that is during election time. In all other times, at all times soldiers must not be neutral. He must do his sworn duty to his country, even go after his relatives or traitor generals to his country. Otherwise the soldier is no better than a priest or bishop who must be neutral to the devils who gives him money to help the poor.
“If the Armed Forces joins (any anti-government move), there is no other group that will benefit from it but the enemies of the state — the CPP/NPA (Communist Party of the Philippines-New People’s Army), the rebel groups, the terrorist groups, the organized crime groups — and it’s not far-fetched, there is going to be civil war if the Armed Forces of the Philippines will be involved,” Dolorfino said after the formal opening of bilateral exercises between Filipino and American troops at the Marines headquarters in Fort Bonifacio, Taguig City. “We cannot discount that possibility (civil war).”
RETORT: This a mouthful of braggadocio, propaganda, psy-war gimmick, faulty analysis, and self serving farts. If the bogus government is toppled with the help of the armed forces (as it claimed it did with Dictator Marcos and Corrupt Erap) “there is no other group that will benefit from it but the enemies of the state — the CPP/NPA (Communist Party of the Philippines-New People’s Army), the rebel groups, the terrorist groups, the organized crime groups.”
You are dead wrong Mr. Dolorfino about CPP/NPA benefiting from it. Twice they did not benefit. You are 200% correct because soldiers know you are a known beneficiary of Erap removal if you consider yourself a member of the organized crime group in the military-political mafia of the bogus president. It has never occurred to you and the peacenikniks, that probably only a bloodbath can benefit the people and the country.
“We cannot discount that possibility (civil war).”
RETORT: If we go by the example of Spanish, American and Iraqi Civil Wars, ignorance is not a laugh but a guffaw about a possible Philippine civil war. More of a blood bath may be if the people aided by soldiers will exterminate the thieves and criminals that is, if they decide to fight instead of flee the country.
It is not the Armed Forces of the Philippines but patriotic soldiers (leaderless of corrupt generals and colonels who never had it so good during Gloria) who will side by side, shoulder to shoulder with people liberate this country from thieves and criminals. A biblical cleansing of society is not a civil war but more like the French or Cuban revolution. Even Rwanda’s Hutus going after the Tutsis is not civil war but ethnic cleansing. What might be effective in the Philippines is morals cleansing or piety cleansing. After that Que sera, sera!
Dolorfino said the Edsa 1 or the People Power Revolt in 1986 that ousted Ferdinand Marcos would have turned bloody had then Marines commandant Brig. Gen. Artemio Tadiar followed orders from his superiors to open fire at protesters.
RETORT : Very sad and tragic for the country, Tadiar has already faded away. The country now have Dolorfino, Esperon, et al who blindly but profitably follow all the orders of their bogus commander-in-cheat. Clueless Dolorfino now tells the world about Tadias, an example they can never be.
“If the commandant of the Marines then was not as professional as General Tadiar, it could have become a bloody confrontation between pro-government and anti-government forces. So we cannot take chances as far as the use of military force is concerned,” he said.
Retort: Tadiar proved it and became an unsung hero. To be a general is to be more than a professional. To be a patriot, to truly love his country meant guts to disobey criminal orders of superiors. A country can not expect anything from a general who was lured and hostaged by the enemy, ransomed with people’s money and released to claim later he was guest of the enemy.
He said the 120,000-strong Armed Forces is “the only institution entrusted by society to maintain peace and order, so what will happen if we will be involved in political squabbling?”
RETORT: What about the tanod bayan, and the Philippine National Police are they not the ones mandated to maintain peace and order in the country? Is not the armed forces the one mandated to provide defense and security of the country? It is not, repeat it is not our soldiers’ fault but those of the Generals and their political masters that the country is losing its war against the communists.
Dolorfino, who assumed the post of Marines chief last month, said he has been making the rounds to tell his officers and men to stay “apolitical at all times.”
RETORT: To use the word “apolitical” is to be pretentious or presumptuous about knowledge of political science.
No homo sapiens is apolitical. A baby starts to become political from the moment she is able to say Mommy or Daddy. The soldiers will understand better if they are asked to avoid partisan politics which is a dirty privilege practiced only by corrupt generals.
Ellen and bloggers in Ellenville. Arigato.
maj gen miranda, bgen lim, et al. MALAPIT NA TAYO DOON, LALAYA NA RIN ANG PILIPINAS. huwag ninyong pansinin ang mga pinagsasabi ni gen DOLORfino (as in dolor na mayumi at pino) kasi sa apelyido na lang halatang-halata siya na kalahi niya si gen HERmogenes asspweron sa pilantik na lang ng mga daliri obvious silang dalawa na …………….aaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
malaking insulto to mention thhe name of bgen tadiar to be in the same sentence or thought of words sina bgen DOLORfino at gen HERmogenes ASSpweron kasi si bgen tadiar ay may prinsipiyo at may paninindigan sa sarili bilang isang marangal na sundalo
Ano ba ang balita sa mga entry points ng Manila, may mga check points na ba ang military para di makapasok ang mga rallyista?
jay,
am not so fond of Marcos generals either, but i agree completely that Gen. Tadiar is one of those unsung heroes of EDSA 1.
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marine commandant mister dolorfino,
konting panloloko pa, di ba pagnakuha mo atensyon ng diyarto’t balita at naka-headline yung mga kahibangan mo, qualified ka na duon sa lumalagapak na 60 million pesos ?!
aba!, 500,000 piso sa kada gobernador, siyempre 60 milyones ang sa iyo, kesehodang hindi maka-kumpleto ng 3 kain sa bawat araw ang isang ordinaryong pamilyang Marino !
Found this that was written 5 months ago.
RP poised for civil war? By Alejandro Lichauco – Tribune 5/24/07
You don’t have to hold a political science degree, or even be an alarmist, to reach a conclusion that the country is poised for civil war. In brief, the division isn’t only political and military. It is, even, more important, social as well. And that’s the more explosive divide, made even more explosive by the fact that it is superimposed on a state of political and military division. And so, when you add the three together the political, military and social divide what other conclusion can you possibly draw
meksens,
wala akong sinabing merong relasyon ang dalawa. kahit itanong mo kay tongue.
basta ang alam ko, tunay na lover boy si esPWEron. kita mo naman laging papungay ang mata.
pero huwag mong ipagsasabi ha?
nagsusubuan ng aligi ng kuratsa ang dalawa noong magkasama sila sa basilan.
sana magkaharap sina dolorpinger at gen tadiar at tadiakan ng huli ang una.
WWNL:
Given the above variables:
political
military
social
we could say, A(x) + B(x squared) + C = Zero
as a Quadratic Equation
Zero-Sum Games
but what is X?
Malcolm X?
or Malcolm Hall?
George Malcolm
or St.George?
St. George Cross
and now we go back to CROSS
is it twisted cross?
si TT na ang bahala dito
The only word I can think of is “obscene.” Millions of pesos being handed out as bribe money for Congressmen while Marines die in the field. Remember what the Magdalo had publicized in Oakwood? GMA is part of the problem because she knows the shenanigans in the military, all the corruption there is done with her full knowledge and consent. And for being right, she put them in jail. For some, she cut off their salaries. While she continues to go free to steal and cheat and lie, without bothering to hide these obscenities.
meksens n’ mrivera,
halungkatin ninyo sa baul ng Inquirer (front page) ang litrato ng dalawa sa Basilan. Hanggang balikat lang ang kuha na parang bagong kasal.
MABUHAY Gen. Miranda, Gen. Lim and the 28 officers detained in Camp Capinpin.
Ang ganda ng inyong statement.
chi,
merong kwento si tongue noong kumakain sila, di ba?
at saka maliwanag na sinabi ko na walang relasyon ang dalawa. siguro meron lamang silang “matamis na pagkakaunawaan”.
he he he heeeh.
Hahaha! Tanda mo pa Magno yung subuan ng aligi, a. Pati yung malaking sipit-sipitan diba?
Nagsusubuan ang mga ayup na ito habang nanggigil ang mga abang sundalo dahil kasabay nilang kumain ang asawa ni Akbar. Yung asaws ng nitong bagong gobernador na amo ng mga pumugot sa Marines.
Bakit hindi pa nila niratrat noon yan?
o, chi, naniniwala ka na?
wala talagang relasyon ang dalawang ‘yun.
teka tongue, pati ba ‘yung sipitsipitan, kita na?
ayay!
Magno:
Duda ko rin iyan kasi kung ako pakikialaman ng hindi ko naman asawa ang pag-aayos ng kuwelyo ko, magagalit ako kasi mahalay unless nga na may relasyong dapat hindi binubulgar! Tinago ko nga iyong litrato nila noon na kinukuwelyuhan ni Sepsep Assperon iyong unano na kilig na kilig naman. Kaya ko ngang tinawag na taratitat!!!
Sa totoo lang, ubog ng landi. Pati nga si Cimatu yata inalembungan! May pinagmamanahan daw kasi sabi ng kakilala kong Pangalatok na kapitbahay noong ina!
Patalsikin na, now na!!!
Etnad Says:
October 17th, 2007 at 9:29 pm
Kung i-impeach nila yong bruha, maliban sa mga mamamayan ang isa pang taong masayang masaya ay itong isa ring gahaman at walang kuwentang Noli de Castro. Kaya walang politikong ma-oposisyon man o administrasyon na patalsikin yang Arroyo na yan sa ngayon. Kudeta ang kailangan natin.
Etnad Says:
October 17th, 2007 at 9:35 pm
What about Gov. Ed Panlilio for president?
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gloria is a disaster but kabayan noli de castro is worse.
Well, if gloria is or will be ousted sooner or later, i respectfully and with tongue in cheek, nominate Eddie Gil to succeed for president with Amay Bisaya as his vice president. Wow! that should be the day the filipinos are waiting for. anybody but gloria and noli de castro.