Update: Esperon thinks a Senate hearing on civil service is political
Custodians of Sen. Antonio Trillanes IV on Thursday prevented Sen. Rodolfo Biazon and some 34 other people from entering Trillanes’ detention cell inside the Marine headquarters to conduct a Senate hearing.
Marine commandant Maj. Gen. Ben Dolorfino said the Marine soldiers denied entry to Biazon, erstwhile Marine commandant and chief of staff of the AFP, and his companions, due to the ruling of the Makati City regional trial court barring the holding of Senate hearings for Trillanes’ sake at the brig.
Dolorfino said Biazon’s group arrived at the Marine headquarters at around 8 a.m. for a hearing of the Senate committee on civil service. He said the Marines allowed Biazon’s group to enter the camp but barred them from Trillanes’ cell, saying they were just enforcing the court order.
Trillanes is being held at the Marine brig pending the completion of his court martial for his role in the 2003 Oakwood mutiny while a Navy lieutenant. He is also facing a charge of coup d’etat before the civilian court of Makati with 30 other cohorts, 28 of them officers.
“We are just following the decision of the court preventing Senate activities here at the brig. His motion before the Makati City RTC to conduct hearings inside the brig has been denied. Last week his motion for reconsideration was denied,” Dolorfino explained.
Dolorfino said the Senate staff which arranged the hearing at the brig on Wednesday should go to Makati RTC Judge Oscar Pimentel for relief. “I am just the custodian. They are dealing with the wrong person,” he said.
Pimentel has denied Trillanes’ request for leave to attend Senate sessions and to be allowed to set up an office in his cell, saying this would constitute special treatment and make a mockery of the purposes of the correction system. – Victor Reyes
Photo taken last May, two days before the May 14 election when Sen. Biazon acompanied GO senatorial candidates for a boodle fight inside Trillanes’ detention quarters.
Based on what I’ve just read, perhaps, Dolorfino is right.
But again, we come to the crux of the matter. There is no rule of law in Pinas so, Judge Pimentel who issued that ruling is suspect. Dolorfino who is also wearing the military skirt of Gloria is simply being a toy soldier – can’t blame the asshole.
Biazon and his fellow senators should move in to do something about this particular stupid law. The whole bunch of them – 23 or 24 senators, supposed to have the mandate of the Filipino people cannot enforce their mandate? OK, if so, they should bloody do something about the law.
Ano ba sila? Pipitsuging senators? They were not impressive yesterday… they’re even being less impressive today.
Naku naman, ang daming problema na gawa-gawa ni Kwin Korap Gloria.
Nabili na rin ni Gloria ang mga yagbols ni Makati RTC Judge Oscar Pimentel. Ano ba namang mga court judges ito at 4’9 lang si Gloria ay hawak sila lahat sa mga yagbols!
Nakakaasar dahil habang ang mga galamay ni Gloria ay naghahasik ng lagim sa Pinas, si Gloria kasama ang pamilya at minions ay ayun sa New York at nagpapasarap. Wala man lang mag-Thaksin sa tangnang ‘yan!
Ano ba ang ginagawa ng majority ng mga senadores sa kasong ito ni AT4?
Tama ka, Anna. Pipitsugin sila, karamihan ay pang-kodak at bench lang!
“Pimentel has denied Trillanes’ request for leave to attend Senate sessions and to be allowed to set up an office in his cell, saying this would constitute special treatment and make a mockery of the purposes of the correction system.”
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Tama nga naman, there will be a denial of equal treatment if Trillanes’ motion is granted.
But if I remember right, equal treatment is only due if people are similarly situated. You do not give 100% to the genius and the bobo – they are not similarly situated.
So, the question is, similarly situated ba ang ibang inmates kay Trillanes? Do they have the mandate of 11 million voters? Pilipit at katawa-tawa ang logic ni Judge Pimentel. Maybe we should address him as Your Humor.
Correction system baga? Ano ang “correctional activities” sa kulungan? Basket weaving, development of skills for livelihood para ma-reform ang inmate?
Isn’t the participation in the legislature the highest form of reform for an alleged coup plotter like Trillanes? Hindi ba sa pagtakbo at pagsama sa legislation, he is affirming his desire to work within the folds of the law? Shall we put this activity below basket weaving as a way to correct this “misguided soldier”?
Siyanga pala Ellen, a few posts ago, I said there may be a motion that will present a good fight in this case. Below is the link to the posted motion:
http://senpinglacson.proboards83.com/
click on Investigations and hearings.
Chi,
Siguro kulang sila (mga senators, lalo na si Gordon at si Brenda at iyong mga matanda) sa yugyugan… Dapat nga niyugyug nila si Neri kahapon maski nakapikit ang mata nila. At least sana may pakinabang sa kanila.
Binastos nila ang 11+ Milyon na bumonto kay Sen Trillanes !
Nagpapabastos na nga ito si Gloria at Esperon. Dapat talaga bastusin na sila !
Chabs,
Sabi nga ni Chi about Esperon: “magyugyugan na lang sila ni Gloria.”
Heheheh! Yugyug (thanks to pechanco) – what a wonderful word find!
I’ve learned TWO VERY IMPORTANT WORDS AT ELLENVILLE:
Supot courtesy of Magno
Yugyugan courtesy of Pechanco…
Heheheheh!
Ans, yugyugan means “dancing”, right ? Sounds like a bad word to me, but its funnnnnny !
Hehehehehe! I think it’s DIRTY DANCING! Hahahahahah! But I could be wrong but from Pechanco’s post, I thing it’s supposed to mean DIRTY DANCING – hihihih! Like what dogs do in the street?
My comment is awaiting moderation. I wonder what is immoderate about it.
As if bullying Sen Triallnes is not enough, there’s an article in The Daily Tribune, “Leave AFP before joining coups vs gov’t, soldiers told”.
The AFP might find itself left with rotten Generals with no soldiers.
Oooops, I forgot to include the link of The Daily Tribune article:
http://www.tribune.net.ph/nation/20070928nat3.html
Hah! “The AFP might find itself left with rotten Generals with no soldiers.”
Chabs, is that a challenge issued by Esperon (tanga talaga, well ok, that’s indeed a good challenge. Heh!
With that kind of challenge there will 2 AFPs, one with the 100,000 officers and men, and the other with roughly a few hundred of old and disgruntled generals led by Esperon.
Now, I’m betting on the former winning the fight hands down.
Can tell you that Esperon will NOT KNOW how to launch a missile that one of the ordinary troops can do.
I can tell you that Esperon WILL NOT know how to use a naval gun that a sailor (non officer) can do very well.
I can tell you that Esperon cannot fly a fighter jet plane that a young Air Force lieutenant can do.
So sige, let’s see where he’s gonna keep his balls when the in-fighting starts.
Gago!
atty36252,
Baka na-word monitor ka ng Pidal group. Madalas iyang mangyari dito.
Political persecution and selective justice are the main reasons why Makati RTC Judge Pimentel rejected Sen. Trillanes’ plea to conduct hearing at the Marine brig. What the heck AFP chief General Esperon is trying to prove? The essence of republican democracy is where sovereignty resides in the people and through its elected representatives or leaders. Civilian authority is, at all times, supreme over the military. Anyways, he just follows orders from his bogus President Gloria Arroyo. Maj. General Dolorfino’s stand is understandable for being is a rotten toy soldier of Gloria. Let’s see if these Gloria’s toy soldiers can stand Senate’s grilling on Tipo-Tipo fiasco. Sen. Biazon, paki-gisa itong aroganteng Esperon at Dolorfino. Maraming salamat po.
Hay naku, napapakanta na lang ako sa tugtog ng “Makulay ang Buhay” (the Knorr jingle) pero ang words eh ganito…
“Makulay ang bulsa, makulay ang bulsa sa pinatungang broadband!”
“Leave AFP before joining coups vs gov’t, soldiers told”.
This sonamagan Asspweron insists on kokoryo, sobrang magpa-macho.
Asspweron can’t do anything right pala, sige iwanan na ninyo mga sundalo and let’s see what he can do, then sabay natin silang bugbugin ni tianak!
Ans, if the word Loser has a face, it would be Esperon’s.
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“Pimentel has denied Trillanes’ request for leave to attend Senate sessions and to be allowed to set up an office in his cell, saying this would constitute special treatment and make a mockery of the purposes of the correction system.”
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Tama nga naman, there will be a denial of equal treatment if Trillanes’ motion is granted.
But if I remember right, equal treatment is only due if people are similarly situated. You do not give 100% to the genius and the bobo – they are not similarly situated.
So, the question is, similarly situated ba ang ibang inmates kay Trillanes? Do they have the mandate of 11 million voters? Pilipit at katawa-tawa ang logic ni Judge Pimentel. Maybe we should address him as Your Humor.
Correction system baga? Ano ang “correctional activities” sa kulungan? Basket weaving, development of skills for livelihood para ma-reform ang inmate?
Isn’t the participation in the legislature the highest form of reform for an alleged coup plotter like Trillanes? Hindi ba sa pagtakbo at pagsama sa legislation, he is affirming his desire to work within the folds of the law? Shall we put this activity below basket weaving as a way to correct this “misguided soldier”?
Siyanga pala Ellen, a few posts ago, I said there may be a motion that will present a good fight in this case. Below is the link to the posted motion:
http://senpinglacson.proboards83.com/
click on Investigations and hearings.
Ellen,
Am posting here Atty’s comments that wouldn’t publish that he coursed through my blog http://www.manila-bay-watch.blogspot.com :
Hi AdeBrux:
This is atty36252.
For some reason, I cannot post on Ellen’s blog, so I am sending this to you, re Trillanes and the hearing in his cell.
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“Pimentel has denied Trillanes’ request for leave to attend Senate sessions and to be allowed to set up an office in his cell, saying this would constitute special treatment and make a mockery of the purposes of the correction system.”
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Tama nga naman, there will be a denial of equal treatment if Trillanes’ motion is granted.
But if I remember right, equal treatment is only due if people are similarly situated. You do not give 100% to the genius and the bobo – they are not similarly situated.
So, the question is, similarly situated ba ang ibang inmates kay Trillanes? Do they have the mandate of 11 million voters? Pilipit at katawa-tawa ang logic ni Judge Pimentel. Maybe we should address him as Your Humor.
Correction system baga? Ano ang “correctional activities” sa kulungan? Basket weaving, development of skills for livelihood para ma-reform ang inmate?
Isn’t the participation in the legislature the highest form of reform for an alleged coup plotter like Trillanes? Hindi ba sa pagtakbo at pagsama sa legislation, he is affirming his desire to work within the folds of the law? Shall we put this activity below basket weaving as a way to correct this “misguided soldier”?
Siyanga pala Ellen, a few posts ago, I said there may be a motion that will present a good fight in this case. Below is the link to the posted motion:
http://www.senpinglacson.proboards83.com/
click on Investigations and hearings.
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Atty makes absolute sense; with this one point alone, “So, the question is, similarly situated ba ang ibang inmates kay Trillanes? Do they have the mandate of 11 million voters?”, cannot Trillanes file a rebuttal? Is that possible?
By the way, I have just visited the site that atty36252 cited above; I have also cut and pasted his entire post:
“Motion to Quash for Trillanes by atty36252” in my own blog for my own learning and ‘intellectual exercise’…
If you are interested, you can access the link the original link here: http://www.senpinglacson.proboards83.com/index.cgi?board=investigation&action=display&thread=1190725009
I think would be a good idea to touch base with The Bystander as well…
By the way, OFF TOPIC – saw a pic of Bill Clinton with Gloria the Burat (not Borat) in Philstar; Dean Jorge Bocobo of Philippinecommentary blog was quick on the take and says:
“Gloria Arroyo Schmoozes With Bill Clinton To Cozy Up To Hillary”
My initial reaction: Bill smooching with Gloria with yellow teeth? How disgusting!
On second thought and after re-visiting Philstar, I saw that I was maligning Bill Clinton. You can see very well that he was avoiding Gloria with the yellow teeth!
Anna,
Dont’ care, Hillary the future US prexy was not there.
Kahit umalembong pa s’ya kay Bill, dehins siya makakasipsip sa katarayan ni Hill!
Itong si Gloria, lahat na yata ng even sa New York ay niluhuran!
…events..
My goodness me Chi, she is such kapal, isn’t she? Yuck.
Buti na lang Bill Clinton is kind to animals!
Anna,
Ang nakakatawa, iyong photographer ni Gloria ay inutusan na doon sa korner kumuha para sagip ang kabahuan ni Gloria.
See, ang laki ng gap nila nila ni Bill? If she was personally invited by Bill e di sana ang nakunan ng photogrpaher e magkalapit sila or malapit siya sa podium with Clinton, presidente raw s’ya ng Pinas, di ba?
Baka iyong inutusan niya ay pinilit si Bill at tinakot na ang mga Phil-Am doon ay hindi iboboto si Hillary. Hahahah!
Ang kapal talaga ng babaeng impakta, kahit na mukha s’yang supermaid cheering for Bill ay OK lang basta merong kodak na hagip silang dalawa. Ngeeeee!!
As if this photo will make a difference sa lagay at opinyon ng mga pinoy sa kanyang kababuyan!
Bakit wala pa siyang photo with Dubya sa Texas Ranch?
Ooppps! Nalimutan ko tuloy si Senator Sonny sa galit ko dito kay Kwin Korap Gloria.
Eeeee, wala palang podium, nagpapatawa lang si Bill. Wow! starry-eyed si gulfren tianak!
Nasaan si Mike Pidal, nasa piling naman ni “E”!
Bwisit na mag-asawang halimaw i-TOH!
Anna,
Nakita ko nga iyon sa Bloomberg, nakita ko rin si Al Gore. Nung ipinakita si Tiyanak kasama nung mga higante, hindi ko agad napansin, nung, i-close up ang footah, pinatay ko yung TV. Mahirap na baka malasin ako, kausap ko pa naman yung broker ko sa phone noon.
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Tungkol sa yellow teeth ni Pandak, sabi ng barkada ko, Gloria’s teeth are so yellow, that if she can only close her mouth long enough, her eyes will light up.
Ano yun, Glo-in-the-dark?
Hehehehe! “Mahirap na baka malasin ako, kausap ko pa naman yung broker ko sa phone noon.”
Nakakatawa ka talaga! Btw, didn’t I send you a copy of the picture of Glo in the dark that I took of her when she was here? I’m not kidding – when I saw her, I was a bit horrified, her teeth were yellow and I was surprised why she didn’t have it fixed before smiling like a Cheshire cat.
The pic I took of her captured those yellow teeth.
Yuck. How disgusting!
At my younger age, I held someone at bay but with my concience in a dilemma I let him go. A few days later, the end of the gun was pointed at me with that guy holding it.
Good thing he was off his target. Our feud is alive to this day. A sympathetic guy told me that once you point a gun at someone, pull the trigger. Thats the chain of command, no less.
Senator Trillanes should have pulled the trigger then so we dont have this kind of trouble now. He had all the backings then.
Kahit anong magyari, gagawin nila ang lahat na paraan para
hadlangan ang pag upo o pag servicio ni Sen AT sa senado.
Pero seguro pag sinabi ni Sen AT Ok sa electric Chair na lang ako uupo para maligaya kayo mabilis pa sa alas cuatro
ang Yes ng mga kumag na ito.
Over in Japan, Helen, masisibak ang Minister of Defense kapag ginawa iyan ng isang mere general lang, whose loyalty should be to the country and people, not to any criminal pretending to be president. Tangina, they, the senators, should demand the removal of this incompetent, inept appointee of a criminal. Best is to strip him of his rank since anyway it has been earned by cheating for a criminal.
Ang hina naman kung nababastos ang isang senador ng ganyan! Time to clip the powers of these crooks now! On the other hand, bakit nagkaganyan ang Pilipinas. Batas ang dami pero hindi sinusunod! Nakakangitngit!!!
Anna,
Iyong mga daga, ang ngipin dilaw din. No brushing kasi! Ang baho siguro ng hininga ni Gloria! Iyong Neri-regla din dilaw ang ngipin. Kaya siguro nag-try siya huwag makita ang ngipin niya. Labas tuloy puwet ng manok!
Re: Motion to Quash for Trillanes. There seems to be one mistake in the proposed motion. Capts. Gary Alejano and Nicanor Faeldon are Marine Captains. They are not equivalent to the rank of a Naval captain which in turn is equivalent to the rank of Army or Air Force colonel. A Marine Capt. is equivalent in rank to an Army Capt. They would not therefore, fall under the jurisdication of the Sandiganbayan. Which is too bad because we would love to set these men free, together with Sen. Trillanes.
Anna,
I could use that picture for my anti-constipation therapy.
Then I’d distribute it to the hospitals here. It will help save in the use of the stomach pump.
klingon;
Where did you find that Moyion to Quash Trillanes? Can you share me some input and I want to read.Thanks.
Kasi gusto ng mga ungas na patunayang talagang naging shota siya ni Clinton at siya iyong unang sumipsip sa kaniya—ganoon ba? Yuck! Ang landi!
Cheapy talaga ang kilos ng trying hard to be what she cannot be? I doubt if Maggie Thatcher would do such “kabastosan” for some publicity stunts. Nakakahiya talaga ang taong ito. Buti na lang, she can never be “my president.” P*****ina niya!
Atty is raising the point of pay grade of those officers as to which court has jurisdiction and I believe it’s very worthwhile for the lawyer of the marine captains and navy lt Trillanes examine this angle.
Tama si klingon. Marine captains have army rank, not naval rank, if we follow US ranking. Presumably, Philippine Marines follow the same ranking.
Well, back to the drawing board.
Ellen, according to Atty. Rey Robles, one of Judge Pimentel’s arguments against allowing AT4 in the Senate is that he is being allowed to perform his duties while in detention. He noted his staff were allowed to communicate with him, Senators were allowed to see him, etc.
Now, that Esperon has ended it, AT4 should seek relief from the court.
The detained senator was supposed to conduct a hearing yesterday that aims to raise salaries of teachers from P9,000 to P16,000. Ditto for soldiers, cops and the rest of the bureaucracy. He believes this will be the first step in curbing corruption in government. (Brainless Esperon may have taken it as a personal affront.)
All government employees should start cracking! Start with Esperon’s ass!
# haji Says:
September 28th, 2007 at 6:17 am
Kahit anong magyari, gagawin nila ang lahat na paraan para
hadlangan ang pag upo o pag servicio ni Sen AT sa senado.
Pero seguro pag sinabi ni Sen AT Ok sa electric Chair na lang ako uupo para maligaya kayo mabilis pa sa alas cuatro
ang Yes ng mga kumag na ito.
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Maganda yang puntos mo, Haji.
Yan ang iniiwasan nilang mangyari, ang maging hero sa mata ng lalong nakararami si AT4.
atty36252,
He’s right.
Here’s how it goes:
Navy captains PN rank equivalent to air force, army and Philippine Marines colonel.
Navy lieutenant commander rank is equivalent to major in air force, army and marines
Navy commander rank is equivalent to lieutenant colonel in in air force, army and marines
Trillanes is supposed to be navy lieutenant (but senior grade) so his rank is equivalent to captain for the rest of the major services including Philippine Marines.
Navy lieutenant (junior grade) is 1st lieutenant in other major services while ensign rank is 2nd lieutenant in other major sevices
TonGuE-tWisTeD Says:
September 28th, 2007 at 6:48 am
Ellen, according to Atty. Rey Robles, one of Judge Pimentel’s arguments against allowing AT4 in the Senate is that he is being allowed to perform his duties while in detention. He noted his staff were allowed to communicate with him, Senators were allowed to see him, etc.
Now, that Esperon has ended it, AT4 should seek relief from the court.
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Asspweron rules! Taris naman talaga!
chi;
If this is true on the judge ruling,esperon must be charge with contempt.
From one of my favorite Blogs….
SENATOR: Trillanes IV, Antonio
BILLS FILED: 10
EXAMPLE OF BILLS FILED:
P125 Daily Across The Board Wage Increase (filed July 3)
[… This is insane…First, we elected a coup plotter with a Messiah complex to the Senate. Then he files a bill basically dictating the wage of workers. The Senate is not the body to dictate the wage of workers – it should be left to what the market can bear. Also, prescriptive legislation and market forces don’t mix…He might as well file a bill repealing the Law of Supply & Demand…Will somebody please teach this boy the basics….please…or better yet wake him up from his megalomania…]
Well, you are the ‘titser’ so why don’t you teach him?
ADB,
I said it was from one of my favorite blogs.
And besides, I won’t be able to teach him that. I am more on the technical side of things. Even my english is lacking.
I bet the Pidal Brigade are monitoring atty, and see who he is. Atty. better clean up your computer. Baka may registration na sila sa PC mo. Get a spyware right away. I recommend Lavasoft’s Adware. If you get AVG likewise, you get a free spyware plus other applications. The last time I went to Fry’s they were offering it for free after rebates.
Oh, ok, titser sorry…
ADB,
Let’s discuss Trillanes. That Blogger has a point, doesn’t he?
Tanginang Esperon iyan, anong palagay niya sa sarili niya, mas mataas pa siya doon sa mga senador. Golly, supposedly, mas mataas sila kasi they are supposed to be the representatives of the people to which he is merely a subordinate. Puede ba pakisabi sa ungas na ito na hindi siya batas. Taga-implement lang siya. Hindi siya puedeng magbigay ng utos sa hindi niya subordinates. Anong palagay niya sa sarili niya, Julius Ceasar? Gago!
I suggest to that blogger to leave Trillanes be. Trillanes should do what he thinks he should do as an elected senator of the Republic.
I don’t believe that there’s anything megalomanic in the “boy”. He is a product of the times, the product of Gloria’s evil regime. Fortunately, Gloria could count herself extremely lucky that the “boy” and his troops didn’t kill her.
The blogger who said that ought to offer himself to “teach” the boy.
titser,
I don’t know – I don’t know if it’s possible or not.
All I know is that for the moment the economy is consumer driven, backed by the almost 13 billion dollars in contributions of the OFWs and is the basis of that consumerism in the Philippines today.
I do believe that there’s great disparity in the economic situations in Pinas between those who are at the trickle down receiving end and the people who have the capital and taking advantage of the great economic growth announced by Gloria, i.e., big business getting bigger.
Manuel L Quezon has a good post on the subject as well as cvj. ( http://www.cvj.blogspot.com )
ADB,
Agree about ‘megalomanic’. Product of the times, yes, but where’s the ‘sincerity’? When he sensed that nobody is coming to his parade, he changed his tune? ( correct me if I’m wrong). Isn’t it he said after all is said and done, they were not out to topple gloria but to air grievances? Come on.
And ADB, mark my words, Trillanes will end up like a Honasan.
titser,
you cannot engage me in that line of argument for the simple reason that there is a greater evil today – one that is not trillanes.
trillanes has been mandated by the Filipinos to represent them and to be in their service in the Senate, in other words, for all intents and purposes, agreeing or disagreeing today as to whether he was right or not at the time has become irrelevant. People have spoken.
the best level playing field is to release him and to allow him to do his work – if he doesn’t deliver, then chuck him in the bin during the next electiosn.
and if we are to argue about the man, I don’t know enough about him and don’t know him personally to say whether he is sincere or not but I give him the benefit of the doubt. When you have young officers who challenge the establishment, their motives are most often valorous, their methods perhaps questionable but against Gloria, what can you expect?
Gloria has used every trick in the bad book, i.e., most questionable methods to get hold of power, so what right has she to say that those who disapprove of her cannot use the same?
Therefore, along those lines, I will side with Trillanes against Gloria anytime.
But Honasan was not put in prison for almost 4 years! So there lies the difference.
ADB,
I agree, 100%. ‘Kapit sa patalim’ na ang Pilipinas.
In a way, you are right titser – fortunately the Philippines has not succumbed to anarchy. There is a bit of order still. This perceived order is what’s still keeping the nation together.
When that order is gone, you will be thankful that you have valorous young people, officers and honourable men (those who are incarcerated) who know, ultimately, right from wrong.
They are the ones who will save the country from utter destruction and in that sense, you ought to be thankful that you have military officers who have a sense of honour.
Of course, they alone cannot instill proper order – it behooves the Philippine nation as a whole to help them.
“I bet the Pidal Brigade are monitoring atty, and see who he is.”
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Thank you for the concern. I don’t think I am of interest to them. Wala akong mga troops behind me, like Trillanes or Danny Lim.
Neither do I write for any famous newspaper.
Salamat pa rin sa heads up. Maybe I will create a few accounts other, pang inis lang.
Ooops, “the best level playing field is THE SENATE; to release him and to allow him to do his work – if he doesn’t deliver, then chuck him in the bin during the next electiosn.
“And ADB, mark my words, Trillanes will end up like a Honasan.”
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How? Aareglo din? Susuko din?
You may be right there. But then again, puwede ring maging ala Ninoy, or Mandela. Only time will tell. History has the luxury of time. Glo does not.
ADB says:
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Of course, they alone cannot instill proper order – it behooves the Philippine nation as a whole to help them.
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That’s the biggest hurdle. IMO, people seemed not to care anymore. The leaders they trusted before, military or otherwise, had let them down. And there’s no certainty after Gloria. Just imagine a NOLI presidency. And the politicians’ focus is not TODAY but 2008. Some of them don’t want to stir the pot, hence their silence.
atty36252 Says:
September 28th, 2007 at 8:23 am
“And ADB, mark my words, Trillanes will end up like a Honasan.”
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How? Aareglo din? Susuko din?
You may be right there. But then again, puwede ring maging ala Ninoy, or Mandela. Only time will tell. History has the luxury of time. Glo does not.
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What was his goal again? To topple Gloria or to AIR GRIEVANCES?
Re: “The leaders they trusted before, military or otherwise, had let them down. ”
Don’t know about that. If we are to look back in history, it’s true that people (the masa) will support a leader who can lead. The masa have never led a revolt… someone’s got to lead.
What you don’t know is given a leader (who just may spring up from somewhere one of these days,) the people who are dispappointed today will move. There is no real LEADER today in the strictest sense of the word – hence your feeling that there’s apathy.
Trust in the people to know when to recognize that leader. As atty said, history has the luxury of time. Perhaps, it’s not Trillanes, might be another one. But when he/she arrives or gets there, people will spot him or her and will follow him/her.
ADB says:
There is no real LEADER today in the strictest sense of the word – hence your feeling that there’s apathy.
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Right, and with the current scheme of things, Gloria will last till 2008. And 2008 will be ‘tomorrow’. And if GLoria doesn’t leave, you better find that real LEADER. Otherwise, it’s Martial Law II.
Sorry, it’s should be 2010. Mixed up with the US elections.
Why YOU only? Aren’t you part of the Filipino nation?
Besides, in that case don’t you think it’s good that you have these good guys who can summon the courage to lead the fight against a potential Gloria martial rule?
Also why 2008, didn’t she steal ballots and went through the most despicable act of moral corruption so she could stay till 2010?
Just ignore the above poster, AdeBrux. She’s a fake teacher. I’m your teacher and mentor, remember?
Heheheh! Di naman siya ang titser ko… Titser ang pangalan niya but YOU ar emy teacher and mentor, di ba?
AdeBrux Says:
September 28th, 2007 at 8:49 am
Why YOU only? Aren’t you part of the Filipino nation?
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Sorry, but I believe I have done my part in the past, if you know what I mean. I am past my prime and my first priority now are my kids.
It’s 2010. I corrected it just before you posted.
Yes, saw that titser. Thanks.
I understand. If we can all take care of our family first and groom that entity as well as we can, then I think that’s one step in the right direction. After all the family unit is part of a bigger unit, society.
In that sense – you’re right, doing the right thing begins with the family.
Titser, since you admit you’re past your prime, then leave it to the young ones like AdeBrux and yours truly. Humanap ka na lang ng ibang student.
pechanco Says:
September 28th, 2007 at 8:54 am
Just ignore the above poster, AdeBrux. She’s a fake teacher. I’m your teacher and mentor, remember?
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Be careful, ayaw ni Ate Ellen ng personal attacks. PEACE.
Pechanco,
Napanood mo na ba ang ‘Karate Kid’? Doon, may isang bata at saka isang matanda.
ADB,
Thanks!
And Pechanco, our ‘internet’ then were the streets of Gov Forbes, Dapitan, Paza Miranda, Mediola to name a few.
Plaza Miranda, Mendiola
Paborito ko ang Karate Kid. Sino sa ating tatlo ang matanda at sino ang bata? BTW, atin-atin lang Titser, si AdeBrux and matanda. Please don’t tell her. Tayong dalawa ang kampi ngayon dahil pareho tayong teachers. Siya, student lang…
Cocoy,
Oo nga e. Umaasta si Asspweron na mas makapangyarihan pa siya sa ruling (?) ni Judge Pimentel kung gayon na bigla na lang niyang puputulin ang paggawa ng senate duties ni Trillanes sa loob ng selda. Playing god ang Garci General na ito!
Trillanes is not mediocre kiriray. He has more brains than the unano trying hard to be in the limelight by even including meeting with famous Lea Salonga on Broadway. Palusot pa ang ungas.
Trillanes does not need that. He is said to be reading a lot of books, and though he may be trying to emulate the examples of great men like Mandela, et al, I doubt if he dreams of being like him with his concentration presently of how he can serve his country and people even inside his jail.
For me, that is worth noticing and praising about. And thank God, Filipinos have responded well by electing him to the Senate regardless of whether or not the stupid judge in that Philippine court continues to ignore their voices for this judge to act like any public servant—serve the people not the criminal whom he should in fact order sent to jail.
Simple lang naman. Bakit hindi iyan makuha ng mga inutil sa Pilipinas! Paglingkurin na si Senator Trillanes. He deserves a chance to prove his worth! Ummmmmmph…gotta learn how to control my mouth! I should not utter any profanity!!!
Si Mandela, nakulong din ng matagal, and he was about to be executed in fact. It took a long time for his group to have their voices heard around the world.
I remember, in fact, joining some friends in the ANC in London saying “Amandla Ngawethu!” That movie “Cry Freedom” made a big difference, I guess.
Someone should make something like that movie, and then distribute them to as many places as there can be strong supporters of the movement against this oppressive regime. Lalo na ngayon na meron nang ICJ. Kahit hindi makasuhan si Pandak sa Pilipinas, puede siyang ma-convict doon with all the evidences that will be freely allowed to be presented unlike in the Philippine courts with judges paid to protect the crooks.
OK kung pumunta si Fatso for instance sa Europe and make sure that a case is submitted to the ICJ para doon na siya hulihin at ma-indict. Ang saya siguro! Para madala na ang mga kumag na umaalis ng Pilipinas to escape prosecution.
I don’t know in the Philippines, but in Japan and other countries, they still honor and follow a lot many of the so-called unwritten laws for justice and truth to prevail and punishment to the guilty meted out. I bet sa ICJ, lulusut ang kahit na anong logical arguments. Hindi puede iyong hocus-pocus abilidad ni Fatso and Company. Time to crush this mobsters.
Yuko,
Re “OK kung pumunta si Fatso for instance sa Europe and make sure that a case is submitted to the ICJ para doon na siya hulihin at ma-indict. ”
The problem with taking him to the ICJ direct is that it can’t be done.
The rule is that all recourse to indict him must have been exhausted in Pinas first. And there must be absolute proof that the mechanisms to charge him have failed in Pinas. (There are so many criteria: war crimes, human rights abuse, crimes against humanity, etc.) But the charges must be backed by proofs that the Philippines has not acted on the complaints before you can bring a case to the ICJ. The complaints must also be made by a group of people and not by an individual only.
ADB says:
…………..But the charges must be backed by proofs that the Philippines has not acted on the complaints before you can bring a case to the ICJ.
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This is correct. And the sad part is, when it comes to plunder, paper trail is hard to trace. Look at what happened to the Marcos’ cases. For sure the Pidals loot is not in one basket. It’s not even under the Arroyo’s name.
Well, in Erap’s case, he admitted he did sign as Jose Vilarde – a big mistake.
Erap was not clean and might be also corrupt. But he differs from the other corrupt leaders simply because he’s honest in his words. Wika nga tutoong tao si Erap. Kaya ayun…inamin na pinirmahan niya as Jose Velarde. Nagsasalita kasi ng tutoo. He signed it not for himself but only to act as guarantor for one crony. That admission gave his lawyers sleepless nights and nightmares. That was very crucial. Pero ang nagkamali ang mga abogado niya noong impeachment. Eh kung bakit ba naman hindi pumayag na buksan ang second envelope hindi naman pirma ni Erap doon. The way I look at it, it’s destiny. Malas lang si Erap. Pero sa kabila ng kamalasan niya, nandoon pa ang mga nagmamahal sa kanya. Pati nga ang mga dati niyang kaaway mahal na siya ngayon dahil sa paghanga sa kanyang pagkatao. That’s Erap.
Off topic lang muna:
Senator Miriam Defensor-Santiago has officially sent a letter of apology to the Chinese embassy, saying she suffers from chronic fatigue syndrome, which might explain her remarks alleging that the Chinese “invented corruption.”
Kaya puwedeng gawing excuse ni Brenda sa Senado kapag magsalita siya ng maanghang at masakit sa kapwa. What an excuse! She should not be in the Senate then. Paano kung sumpungin siya eh mapipinsala ang trabaho niya sa Senado. Paano siya gagawa ng batas kung hindi matino ang isip niya.
She should not have been elected as Senator in the first place. And what has her husband’s having Chinese blood got to do with her slur against Chinese? Halos lahat naman ng Pinoy meroong dugong Intsik. Ay naku, ipasok na nga iyan sa Mental at baka magkalat na naman!
Pechangco;
Mirriam is not only a lawyer but, also a clearly defined businesswoman. The comment she made on the Chinese was part of her script to get attention. She could not get share from the loot legally but, in any means she can be compensated for her legal service. How much do you think an attorney’s fee to draft a simple letter? Well, Mirriam is maybe, one of the most highest paid lawyer during her prime time. Do you think if she’ll write an apology letters to the Chinese is free? No, Amigo! We will pay for it no matter how much it cost. Her office will reimburse it in the senate.200 thousand per hour Amigo times 10.Hehehehehe!
Yuko: They occupied three rows. And I am pretty sure marami pa ang members of her cheering squad in the theatre. May lumapit na mama and asked if he could greet the president but he was not allowed to. May isang nakasingit sa seat in between two of her staffs..malaking mama napinaringan yong ale in Tagalog..but she did not budge- wala silang magawa. Sayang nga hindi namin alam na nandoon siya..sana nag dala kami ng pamaypay na may “Free Jonas” Members of her cheering squad waited for a few minutes kasi ang sabi ay mababa si Leah to greet her. Except for some other Filipinos hindi siya pinansin ng mga Americano.. she really is a macapal- gal. We wanted to go to UN but sarado for general public until Oct. 5. Tahimik ang Gabriela..walang nag rarally. kahit by the consulate.
In the long continuum of time,GOOD will triumph over evil.In the darkest days of martial law,I used to feel so desperate.. I felt life was so unfair..Ninoy in detention while Marcos was at the apex of power.
But look where they are now in the annals of history…Ninoy a national hero while Marcos a waxed dummy in Paoay.
The time will surely come when Senator Antonio Trillanes will be able claim his rightful place in the Senate while Gloria Pidal will be in the dustbin of history.
To everything,turn ,turn, turn…
The facts I know about the case of Senator Trillanes are all culled from the web. The facts I consider relevant are as follows:
1. Among the accused are Gary Alejano and Nicanor Faeldon;
2. Both are Marine Captains;
3. The Marine Corps is a service of the Philippine Navy, patterned after the US Marines;
4. The jurisdiction of the Sandiganbayan is defined by PD 1606 as amended by RA 8249;
If the facts above are true, and there are no amendments to PD 1606 after RA 8249, then I think the motion below will present a good fight.
I am posting this purely for the intellectual exercise. If somebody finds it useful, then I shall have been doubly rewarded.The jurisdiction to try this case, we submit, lies in the Sandiganbayan, not this Honorable Court. Said Court’s jurisdiction, is provided as follows:
“Sec. 4. Jurisdiction. The Sandiganbayan shall exercise original jurisdiction in all cases involving:
“(d) Philippine army and air force colonels, naval captains, and all officers of higher rank;
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Captain rank are all the same in Army,Air Force and Marine which is equivalent to Lieutenant in the Navy. They are O -3. Now, where is your argument to Quash the motion? These is what posted in another site that I found.I brought it here to respond on your comment above. It’s misleading and absurd .I’m sorry I don’t buy your argument 36252. They are not covered by Sec.4.Jurisdiction (D) Try your luck next time.
To Senator Antonio Trilannes:
I dedicate this song toyou and other detained heroes in military camps:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4GiCzDUTX0
GO THE DISTANCE
I have often dreamed, of a far off place
Where a hero’s welcome, would be waiting for me
Where the crowds will cheer, when they see my face
And a voice keeps saying, this is where I’m meant to be
I’ll be there someday, I can go the distance
I will find my way, if I can be strong
I know ev’ry mile, will be worth my while
When I go the distance, I’ll be right where I belong
Down an unknown road, to embrace my fate
Though that road may wander, it will lead me to you
And a thousand years, would be worth the wait
It might take a lifetime, but somehow I’ll see it through
And I won’t look back, I can go the distance
And I’ll stay on track, no, I won’t accept defeat
It’s an uphill slope, but I won’t lose hope
Till I go the distance, and my journey is complete
But to look beyond the glory is the hardest part
For a hero’s strength is measured by his heart
Like a shooting star, I will go the distance
I will search the world, I will face its’ harms
I don’t care how far, I can go the distance
Till I find my hero’s welcome, waiting in your arms
I will search the world, I will face it’s harms
Till I find my hero’s welcome, waiting in your arms
This Esperon should be put to jail. Kahit noong panahon ni Marcos, hindi ko narinig na nawalan na total tiwala ang mga tao sa mga pulis at militar. Ngayon nababoy na ng husto. No thanks even to FVR na sobra ang pagka-corrupt hindi lang nabisto kasi ang galing magbayad ng mga journalists, I am told.
Shocked ako doon sa narinig kong sinabing na-approve na payment sa mga beterano ng WWII. 30,000 dollars yata ang ibinigay ng US para ibayad sa kanila. Aba, ang Philippine government nangupit pa ng 10,000 dollars from that and was supposed to pay the beneficiaries the 20,000 dollars after they sign some documents. May nagpirma may hindi nakapirma but up until now, hindi pa sila nabayaran. The money in fact was granted during the time of Clinton.
Hayup din ano? Gobyerno magnanakaw! Omigosh, wala na bang pag-asa? Kawawang bansa!
Dapat diyan magkaroon ng class action against these crooks. Dapat may mga bar association that will take up this kind of cases. Ang tindi na ng kawatan! Kawawa naman iyong mga nagbuwis ng mga buhay for nothing.
Rose:
Dapat diyan itanong doon sa theatre na pinaglabasan ng Les Miserables kung sino ang taya sa 3 rows na iyon at magkano. Mukhang hindi pinansin ano? Not even an acknowledgement na nanood siya from the theatre people. Buti nga sa kaniya! Kahit kasi anong ayos sa katawan, mukha pa ring walang sinabi!
A Center Mezz seat for Les Miserables costs 159 dollars (regular). The discount ticket costs 137.50 dollars. The rows occupied by the Tariray Brigade must be more expensive. Sinong nagbayad? Iyan ang tanong!
Miriam Defensor Santiago does not deserve to be the chair of the Senate Foreign Relations committee.She is a RACIST.
Her apology to the Chinese community is INSINCERE!
It’s bound to happen again and again and again.Too mentally imbalanced.Unfit to be aspire for a post in the International Court of Justice!
ELLEN:I did a little research why Miriam has the tendency to come up with “socially inappropriate” views.Tumantanda na ang lola natin.Time to retire:
“Many people harbor unintentional and even unconscious stereotypic thoughts–”ethnic or racial group X is [fill in the blank with unflattering adjective of your choice]”–which we manage to overcome or at least squelch. By “we,” I mean our frontal cortex, the site in the brain that acts to inhibit unwanted thoughts and behaviors. (It is immaturity of the frontal lobes that makes many teens so impulsive and unable to inhibit their worst instincts.) “It might be that older adults have greater difficulty inhibiting these stereotypic thoughts despite their efforts to avoid being prejudiced,” writes psychologist William von Hippel of Australia’s University of Queensland. Older adults might be “more prejudiced than younger adults because they can no longer inhibit their unintentionally activated stereotypes.”
The loss of inhibition is the result of the brain’s traitorous tendency to shrink as we age. The frontal lobes in particular atrophy. The result is educed ability to inhibit irrelevant or unwanted thoughts. This loss of inhibition might explain other behaviors that crop up in many elderly, including “social inappropriateness.”
titser, Pechanco,
Aside from documentary evidence and testimonies of the bank officials that Jose Velarde is actually Mr. Dichaves and the fact that the bank did not honor the documents that Erap signed as Jose Velarde proves that he is really NOT Jose Velarde and signed only as an endorser. Even in official papers on work environments, endorsements are being done. I myself sometimes have to sign for another officer in my work. Now on the issue of not opening the second envelop during the impeachment, that is because the 11 senators have to protect the owner who is actually Mr Dichaves who is a private citizen, due to Bank Secrecy Law. An most important is, the bone of contention is NOT government or people’s money. Wala dapat pakialam kung anong gustong gawin sa pera nila basta huwag lang yung pera ng bayan!
Re: Except for some other Filipinos hindi siya pinansin ng mga Americano.
Rose,
Kwin Korap Gloris is NADA for the Americans. Siya lang ang nagpupumilit na kumabit kay Bill at Dubya!
Hindi siya pinansin kasi ay hindi kilala si Lucifera sa ‘merika except for the Pinoys na sepseps!
Re: The time will surely come when Senator Antonio Trillanes will be able claim his rightful place in the Senate while Gloria Pidal will be in the dustbin of history.
To everything,turn ,turn, turn…
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TDC,
Lesss than 3 years or kung siniswirti ay SOON, these “Men of Honor” will be free. Under the dark regime of Kwin Korap, 3 years seem like hell! Sabunutan ang bruha na ‘yan at ipaghampasan sa pader!
Luzviminda: An most important is, the bone of contention is NOT government or people’s money. Wala dapat pakialam kung anong gustong gawin sa pera nila basta huwag lang yung pera ng bayan!
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I just don’t get it, Luz, why the crooks in the Philippines would want to complicate matters, even simple laws that they interpret in the way they try to confuse even their own selves. We don’t have such stupidity in the courts here as a matter of fact. Laws here in fact are not interpreted any other way because the meaning of every word in Japanese is clear and very specific.
Sa totoo lang, our laws here were revised without changing their contents. They only changed the wordings to make them simpler and easier to understand to avoid misinterpretation of the laws.
Golly, sa Pilipinas, ginagawang complicated lahat para makaloko imbes na para tumino ang bansa lalo na ngayong kriminal iyong nakaupo.
You bet, Erap did not commit plunder in the case of the money he received from Chavit Singson, the main contention in this lawsuit filed against him for which he is being lured of agreeing to a full pardon from a criminal who stole the presidency from him. Para sa akin, ang kasalanan ni Erap ay bribery for accepting the bribes from Singson even when he was in fact supposed to have Singson sent to jail for doing jueteng, which was/is illegal.
In short, Luz, puro katarantaduhan ang ginagawa sa hustisya sa Pilipinas. Magkaroon ba naman sila ng mga leaders na mga kriminal, what can you expect?
Kawawang bansa!
Luz,
Agree! Particularly on the last line.
There is another contention though: the apparent ‘commission’ shared between him and Dichaves (the owner in name of the Velarde account) gained from the sale of the Belle Corporation sales. That’s GSIS money.
I’m not clear on this particular issue – anyway, I do believe that Estrada was not a hands on president, I am positive he adopted the armchair presidency method and the worst is that he took things for granted and so was careless. At that level, impossible to take things for granted.
My beef is that he was toppled unconstitutionally – when people start toying with the constitution to grab power, the man, Erap in this case, is almost irrelevant, it’s his office, the one created for him by millions of people who voted for him – to me it’s their right that’s been breached, it’s those millions, in effect, who were disenfranchised most illegally.
In that sense, one may call me pro-Estrada not because I like him (I don’t like the man and the politician at all) but because he was constitutionally mandated to be the president of the republic – all accusations against him should have been tested in the only court that was prescribed by the constitution – in an impeachment trial in Congress (lower house & senate). Therefore in theory, no illegal force on earth should take that right away from him, the right to be tried constitutionally and not toppled down by a bunch of hooligans.
It is all a question of moral and legal principles!
Oooops, “the Belle Corporation SHARES.”
Luz, whatever the 11 senators did and Erap’s lawyers’ decision not to open the second envelope, the one that triggered the untimely conclusion of the impeachment proceeding was the walk-out of the prosecutors and other anti-Erap forces. Backed by giant media networks then (ABS-CBN, GMA-7), Civil Society, Makati elite and Cardinal Sin’s meddling, people came out to the streets to hold daily rallies. Erap did not stop the rallies. Diyan siya mali. Kahit kaunting palo lang sa kamay ng mga kaaway niya sa kalye hindi niya ginawa. Worse, may plano na pala sina Angie Reyes at grupo ni Ramos. Then, came the inevitable. Maraming bumaligtad sa kanya. Like Marcos, it is my position that Erap was a victim of a well-planned orchestrated ouster move from day one in office. Iyan po ang mapait na kasaysayan.
Pechanco,
Tama ka dyan, ERap is a victim of a well-planned ouster move. Yung walk-out sa impeachment proceeding ay kasama sa plano dahil alam naman ng mga prosecutors na hindi naman mananalo ang kaso nila against kay Erap kung FAIR justice ang pagbabasehan dahil puro fabricated ang mga ebidensiya. And more or less ay alam nila na hindi pangalan ni Erap ang laman ng second envelope. That is why they have to do it with the specially created Sandiganbayan court of Gloria to make sure that Erap will have a guilty verdict even if the evidences are unreasonable and doubtful.
Does that walk out at Erap’s impeachment remind you of the walk out of the volunteers at the Computer Center at that Marcos time? The same trick was applied, right? And take note of the people, forces and personalities behind the two ousters (Marcos and Erap). Same people at different times.
Anna,
Commissions in sales of shares of stocks are COMMON practice. Dyan naman talaga kumikita ang mga players and stock agents. Ang unbelievable testimony ng GSIS officer is that he is pressured by ERap to buy the shares. That is easy to say. BUt as Erap has said that the decision of investing is usually taken and decided by the BOARD of GSIS. So ibig sabihin ay dapat napag-aralan ng mga board members kung dapat bang mag.invest sa Belle or hindi. And dapat nga matuwa pa sila dahil kumita. And also wala namang reported insider trading concerning Belle Corp. nung mga panahon na iyon. May nahita din malamang yung taga GSIS na nagpahamak kay Erap.
“And take note of the people, forces and personalities behind the two ousters (Marcos and Erap). Same people at different times.”
Yap, Marcos and Erap – Two people who FVR dislikes. FVR dislikes Marcos because he was by-passed ba Gen. Ver, and he dislikes Erap too, because Erap is about to file cases against his corruption during his term. That is why FVR and his men are the in the shadow of Gloria’s fake government. But most of all, FVR wants again to rule the country because he wants to get…the Marcos’ hidden wealth!
Luz,
Agree “Commissions in sales of shares of stocks are COMMON practice.” what I’m not clear on is whether Erap was paid a share of the commission. If that’s true, then that is wrong. But as I’ve said, not sure so…
ystakei says:
I just don’t get it, Luz, why the crooks in the Philippines would want to complicate matters, even simple laws that they interpret in the way they try to confuse even their own selves…
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…Let’s look at it this way. Trillanes and his commitee are duly constitued authority, much more so if you consider 11 million voters who put them there. Therefore, to prevent them from performing their constitutional duties is obstruction of justice. Judge Pimentel is NOT elected by the people, so his authority is jr. to the authority of Sen Trillanes. That’s a no brainer… “even a caveman can figure that out” .
Anna, Luz,
The GSIS/SSS commission was handed personally ny Willy Ocier to Jaime Dichavez, was it proven that Dichavez delivered the check to Erap? No.
Jaime Dichavez owns a big chunk of Tagaytay Highlands, a Belle project. A very large portion of the lands in that area are owned by Doña Mary Ejercito and husband, ONE MILLION HECTARES, the title says. But this was not presented by the prosecution. Absolutely no connection between Erap and the check for the commission except for the Jose Velarde account which was Dichavez’ as supported by bank evidence which the court failed to appreciate.
Dichavez is still missing but the government is not interested in finding him and bringing him home. Without his testimony, the prosecutors’ Jose Velarde theory cannot be given full credence. Without his testimony, Erap loses his chance to get a corroborating witness to his claim. It was unfair to the defendant and it sure would’ve created enough doubt to acquit him.
I did write quite a long discussion in:
http://www.blogger.com/email-post.g?blogID=33311719&postID=5981530680267987328