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AFP rejects ex-Marine commandant’s appeal to free men

By Joel Guinto
Inquirer.net

The military has rejected ex-Marine commandant Major General Renato Miranda’s appeal to release eight of his men co-accused with him for mutiny and leave him to stand trial alone.

“That is not possible because the criminal and administrative liability of one person cannot be absorbed by just one person,” Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) public information officer Lieutenant Colonel Bartolome Bacarro said on Monday.

“They are charged with conspiracy, for violating the Articles of War. They have to face this,” told reporters in Camp Aguinaldo.

Miranda and his men, along with 19 Army Scout Ranger officers, are facing several charges, including mutiny, before a court martial for allegedly seeking to overthrow President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo in February 2006.

In a statement released on Sunday, Miranda said the military leadership should consider the “common good” and release his men so that their “talents” could be used in the battlefield.

Bacarro acknowledged that the incarcerated Marines were “talented,” but he said: “The inventory of officers outside [detention] are [composed of] equally competent officers. There are more competent officers outside.”

The detained Marines include two recipients of the Medal of Valor, the military’s highest honor, Colonel Ariel Querubin and Lieutenant Colonel Custodio Parcon.

Querubin and his co-accused, ex-Scout Rangers chief Brigadier General Danilo Lim, allegedly planned to lead a mass withdrawal of support from Arroyo on February 24, 2006, to coincide with protest marches for the 20th anniversary of the 1986 People Power uprising.

Miranda allegedly knew of the plot. On February 26, 2006, his sudden relief as Marine commandant prompted Querubin to lead a nigh-long standoff at their Fort Bonifacio headquarters.

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88 Comments

  1. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Bacarro! I will smack you with your own provisions in the Articles of War, if you don’t stop your drivel… Look behind you and check who is violating the articles of war – none other than your chief of staff, the ignoble, the corrupt, the duwag, tralalalalala…. Esperon!

  2. And this piece of shit didn’t even have to say this:

    ““The inventory of officers outside [detention] are [composed of] equally competent officers. There are more competent officers outside.””

    Gago!

  3. pechanco pechanco

    Hey Bacarro! Bakero !(tama ba itong mura sa Japanese). Bakero si Bacarro. Miranda’s appeal came from his heart. That shows how he loves his men. The problem with these Gloria’s goons is that they don’t know what “love” is. While legally and technically, one cannot represent and make to suffer for the rest, if one admits to the crime or mistake, the rest of the accused are free of charges. The worst that they can be accused of is accessory to the crime. Para sa akin, maganda man ang layunin ni Miranda, may puntong legal si Bakero este Bacarro. But so what? Wika nga eh “lintek lang ang walang ganti”. May araw din kayo!

  4. Mrivera Mrivera

    pechanc,

    where is the crime? what is the charge? it’s been four long years but still gloria’s bunch of hoodwinks cannot come up with proper charges to be filed in court.

    don’t be so carried away by the articulated releases of bacarro. please bear in your memory that it was only esPWEron who wanted to pin them down due to his head-over-heels fear that if these gallant officials would be cleared of fabricated charges and get back at him, he will never be able to defend himself.

    also, don’t ever forget that the content of the pre-trial investigation report was kept by esPWEron himself and always insisted that being the shit-of-staff, he has all the authority to charge, prosecute and punish whoever he wants and whenever he wants.

    and if i may add, the mayuga report was also never made public.

  5. Perhaps, it would be a good idea if the Rt Honourable Pong Biazon, himself a former marine and CSAFP could perform an inspection check on the conditions of incarceration of the accused officers, if not for anything, for humanitarian purposes…

  6. Bacarro said, “““The inventory of officers outside [detention] are [composed of] equally competent officers. There are more competent officers outside.””

    First of all, why should he say that? Is he trying to divide the sentiments of the men and officers in the military?

    How dare he judge that “There are more competent officers outside.”?

    That comparative degree prouncement is uncalled for; Bacero has no right to make that comparisson, not today when the entire military is under a huge microscope for the ineptitude, the cowardice and the human rights abuse of his direct boss, Esperon!

  7. Bacarro is forgetting that they in the military has got but one life to give and those incarcerated today have given more than their just one life; that he says “There are more competent officers outside.”” is synonimous to his ignorance of the military code of ethics.

  8. Mrivera Mrivera

    anna,

    tulume bacarro wants only to please his boss, esPWEron.

    nagpapakitang gilas at sipsip.

    pechanco,

    ano’ng sinasabi mong legal point ni tulume? puwede na pala ‘yung kahit alam mong wala sa tama ang iyong ibinibintang at wala kang sapat na katunayan ay legal na ang bawat pagpapahirap sa taong hindi mo alam kung ano ang kasalanan?

    babuyan at gaguhan ang ginagawa nila, hindi mo ba nakikita?

  9. Marine wife Marine wife

    Here is the comment of one detained officer:
    “Deceptions and ambitions compounded by their vanities in keeping power can never bring justice and truth to ALL!”

  10. rose rose

    Marine Wife: Thanks for keeping us posted. I say a loud Amen to what this detained officer said. Capt. Langkit, right? You mentioned in your other comment the story of Capt. Langkit, and the reason why Esperon is so determined–so determined for Capt. Langkit to suffer..But from what I understand in your story..he told Gen. Miranda, that he maybe physically weak, but his spirit is strong. Halimaw talaga itong si Esperon..General ni Lucifera..
    You and the detained officers and your families are always in my prayers..Stay strong, and keep your faith in God.

  11. Marine wife Marine wife

    Mr. Bacarro… what conspiracy are you talking about? Did you read the PTI Report? Based on the findings of three (3) military lawyers: THERE IS NO PROBABLE CAUSE TO CHARGE THE DETAINED OFFICERS WITH MUTINY. So how could you say there was conspiracy? The reason why Gen Esperon delayed the release of the PTI Report for five months was because he wanted Col Perreras, the JAGO lawyer to change his report. Fortunately, Col Perreras is a principled man, he did not agree to change the PTI Report. On the other hand, the Staff Judge Advocate, Col Pedro Davila, was not that principled. Col Davila, long before the PTI Report was released, told some detained officers and lawyers that his findings and recommendations were the same as the PTI Report. But when the Pre Trial Advise (PTA) came out after seven months, it was the opposite of what he said. But the Lord is still good. When the PTA was released, the wife of one detained officer, overheard Col Davila scolding Capt Peel, a member of the secretariat, for releasing the PTA without changing first the ———— then he saw the wife so he stopped. So if you go over the PTA, 38 officers were recommended to be charged with mutiny but Esperon only charged 30 officers then dropped two more on the first day of the hearing. So now only 28 officers are detained.

  12. Marine wife Marine wife

    Maybe the conspiracy that Bacarro is referring to is “OPLAN HACKLE” which is the result of the computer work of the desk intelligence officers in the AFP. Since it was in their intelligence report that there was such a thing as OPLAN HACKLE they had to do something to make it true like put a bomb here or make chaos there just as they had imagined. Gen Esperon is very good at it. He spent most of his time doing intelligence work and maybe 75% of it was done on his desk.

  13. Esperon, ever the “expert” in production (intel term), the only thing he’s actually good at, must be soooooo proud of himself for having come up with Oplan Hackle. But since

    Esperon is incapable of dabbing in truth, the result was as convoluted as his brain’s thinking capability.

  14. Marine wife Marine wife

    How could the marines and rangers conspire, when most of them only met during the hearing. I met the rangers for the first time on December 14, 2006 during the first court martial hearing except for Gen Lim. There are some detained officers who were not even investigated. They were not even allowed to submit a counter affidavit. They just found out that their names were in the list and so they were detained.

  15. Sampot Sampot

    Real stories can only come from real people. That’s what you are Marine Wife.

    The other guy was Gokusen, who’s back in his turf i believe. Hope to hear from him soon.

  16. Marine wife’s posts are very telling – they give us additional, crucial info on how Esperon conducts his court of unggoys:

    “There are some detained officers who were not even investigated. They were not even allowed to submit a counter affidavit. They just found out that their names were in the list and so they were detained.”

    Was it through these illegal measures that gave Esperon the right to assmeble his kangaroo court?

    “They were not even allowed to submit a counter affidavit.” Last time I heard, we are still in democracy!

  17. Sampot Sampot

    I can sense wisdom in the words coming from the likes of Langkit and Jason, and other Magdalo Officers.

    If it’s not too much, Marine Wife, can we hear more from them?

  18. Marine wife Marine wife

    Talking about competency… Three marine detainees are all ready to be Brigade Commanders but two of the present marine brigade commanders did not become deputy brigade commanders yet which was a pre requisite to becoming a Brigade Commander before. But just recently to suit their qualifications only, they changed the policy. So these are the more competent officers outside.

  19. One of the highest ranking officers in the land (or ex-highest ranking), who should be put in the docks for having manipulated a what could have been reasonably orderly outcome of the Feb 2006 debacle was Senga.

    He was chief of staff at the time to whom Gen Lim confided. Senga should have taken command responsibility then to either place Lim under arrest and hauled before a court martial if truly Lim had organized a move aimed at toppling Gloria and her government. But Senga didn’t! The mere fact that he simply acquiesced to the demand of Lim to be put under arrest, sending Lim back to his quarters proved that at that point in time, there was no fundamental basis for a charge or charges that are now being cooked up by Esperon and his cohorts.

    What also strikes me as odd is why did Senga pass the buck to Esperon, i.e., instead of making a military decision on the matter during his term? What has Esperon got that he doesn’t? Was he afraid of Esperon who, we must remember, was Senga’s subordinate at the time?

  20. I wrote this last year under Philippine Commentary blog thread: Poll Fraud and Rebellious Elite Philippine Military Units ( http://www.philippinecommentary.blogspot.com/2006/03/poll-fraud-and-rebellious-elite.html)

    9:09 PM, March 18, 2006
    HILLBLOGGER said…
    If government is serious:

    1. the Office of JAG AFP should convene a court martial very soon.

    2. we can safely assume that since/because government has publicly declared that certain officers committed an act of mutiny, military prosecutors are therefore prepared to ask for the DEATH penalty which is the punishment meted on proven mutineers under the Articles of War.

    But since this government is NOT serious at all and may be considered amateurish at best in handling our military institution, we can only expect a monkey trial of the “accused” officers who are far more professional than Gloria and her government could ever be. Remember, UNTIL TODAY, this STUPID government has not concluded its case against the OAKWOOD so-called mutineers.

    Technically those OAKWOOD so called mutineers committed rebellion and attempted a violent coup d’état for which they should face military execution but because Gloria and her dumb, coward GOVERNMENT know they have NO MORAL leg to stand on, they cannot do anything.

    I say to our brave officers and men (but not to those conniving, collaborating, immoral Gloria generals who have forfeited their right to time-honored military officer’s courage and honor):

    KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK. You have the moral and physical courage of your convictions. You will inevitably defeat this illegitimate, immoral, corrupt government.

  21. Marine wife Marine wife

    Another competent officer outside is an officer who was on AWOL for more than a year while still receiving salary then he was promoted to BGEN because he fabricated stories to implicate the detained marine officers. He will be a witnes against the detained officers in the court martial. But the detained officers are looking forward to the day when he is on the witness stand. He is even convincing a detained Lt. to be a state witness so she will be released. So these are the more competent officers outside.

  22. In the same vein, the botched proceedings against the Oakwood officers are being re-hashed against the officers of honour led by Miranda, Lim, Querubin, Parcon, Aquino, Langkit, and the many other incarcerated officers.

  23. I also wrote this under the same Philcommentary thread:

    HILLBLOGGER said…
    Ex-Army commander Lim to face court martial, says Esperon
    http://news.inq7.net/breaking/index.php?index=1&story_id=69831

    Dean,

    The court martial of Lim should be a very good watch. (Would be excellent if you could interview Lim prior to his court martial…)

    Based on Gloria’s proclamation of the SOE, the government unequivocally pronounced that there was a coup d’état conspiracy, plot between Lim and NPA-CPP elements to overthrow the government; the charge of whether the act is rebellion or insubordination makes it irrelevant now… Esperon’s formal recommendation for a court martial means that the government is already prepared, paperwork and all to proceed with the court martial without delay; what is relevant today is that under articles of war, the government will technically NOT need a lot of time to conclude the court martical. In other words, Lim’s court martial could be between 30 and 60 days at most.

    If they cannot do this during this time, then the government is not serious; either that or they have no concrete evidence to back up their charges. If the charge is act of insubordination, it should make it very easy for both government and accused to debate the issue because government’s case is clear cut in an act of military insubordination.

    I’m interested in Lim’s case because it should be a test case… he can even call retired generals as his witnesses, etc which will inevitably open a can of worms. Besides, even if government has upper hand in a charge involving an act of insubordination, it will be the word of Senga against Lim.

  24. Marine wife Marine wife

    I will inform Major Aquino next time I visit. Capt Langkit is in Fort Bonifacio and I only see him during the hearings. I am banned from visiting him, so I can not even bring food to him anymore. He has a very interesting story to tell, good enough for a book. He is still single and very handsome… A fine gentleman.

  25. What surprised me was that Gloria who declared her emergency rule ON TV based on the notion that there were threats against her govt by the military, DID NOT even announce the names of the culprit of the highest rank.

    I suspect that she didn’t because Esperon was still busy making mashed potatoes of his purported OPLAN HACKLE to sell to the public!

    As I posted again in Philcommentary last year,
    12:26 AM, February 27, 2006
    HILLBLOGGER said…
    DJB,

    Did you notice that Gloria, commander-in-chief (daw) has not said a word on the military future of BGen Lim?

    Traditionally, an officer of that rank who’s committed such military offence (inciting to mutiny), would have been immediately ordered arrested under Article of War.

  26. Marine wife Marine wife

    Gen Senga has a heart unlike Esperon who is made of stone. Gen Senga admits he is not clean unlike Esperon who even dares anyone to say that he cheated. What transpired on February 23, 2006 inside the office of Gen Senga will be revealed one day. Gen Lim and Col Querubin talked to Gen Senga and whatever Esperon says is hearsay.

  27. As for Baccaro’s coup conspiracy, here’s my thoughts on the matter – more than a year before he uttered his inanities; this also follows Marine Wife’s posts questioning the validity of the charges against the incarcerated military officers (posted it under www. philippinecommentary.blogspot.com/2006/03/thanks-lot-comrade-gloria.html ):

    HILLBLOGGER said…
    DJB,

    One for the road: re PCIJ report on AFP power point presentation http://www.pcij.org/blog/

    March 3, 2006 @ 12:46 pm · Posted by Sheila Coronel/Filed under In the News, State of National Emergency

    My reading: It was a load of political gobbledygook rubbish. There’s no meat in that report. A relatively juinor military officer does not make up a powerful component of the AFP able to topple a regime! The only more sernior officers that figure in that report were 2 RETIRED & VERY OLD military officers. Never mind the leftist elements – we know what they’ve been trying to do.

    Really now! Is that all Gloria’s government can hatch, put together as evidence of an attemtped coup d’état? Come on! Even kids from a junior military academy in VA, USA could do better than that.

    In other words, this AFP power point presentation did not show any evidence of a failed coup d’état conspiracy between the military and the commies; moreover, it confirmed that the guys have absolutely no serious basis for crying coup d’état conspiracy, assination attempt, etc.

    Come on! SOE on the basis of some gibberish documents and a meeting of retired officers wit a bunch of suspected leftists? And that’s the military-commie thingy? WHOA!

    I believe the whole thing is just a product of the warped imagination of upstart and daredevil Mike Defensor.

    To justify her proclamation of emergency rule, Gloria must continue raking the woods for evidence.

    You know what I’m going to do, DJB?

    I’m going to make a hard copy of this presentations show it to friends from NATO – senior ranking military officials – who are professional at intel gathering, etc. I’m playing golf with some of them tomorrow. Most of them are aware of the happenings in Pinas. I wanna have their reaction.

    I bet they will be amazed and like me, they will say, “Is that all? That’s their coup d’état conspiracy?”

    Will update you.

  28. Marine wife Marine wife

    If you remember, on Feb 24, 2006, Gen Senga, during a press conference on national TV, said that Gen lim was under his custody and Col Querubin was not relieved and was not in hiding. So if the AFP Chief of Staff then said those words just a few hours after he had a discussion with the two officers, how come that after a few months they were charged with mutiny?

  29. Marine wife Marine wife

    Thank you to everyone who believes in the cause of the detained officers. We find strength and courage in your continued support and prayers.

  30. Absolutely, Marine Wife! That’s precisely what I was getting at.

    When you have a chief of staff, Gen Senga in this case, who is no coward nor a mushy mush like Esperon who did not ARREST Lim and Querubin and hauled to before a military court, what right has Esperon to circumvent an earlier decision or for the sake of reality, NON-DECISION to charge these officers?

    That’s why, I was a bit peeved by Senga too – because he HAD FULL POWERS to make a decision at the time but didn’t, effectively leaving command responsibility to Esperon for something that he had not seen fit to put in order.

    It doesn’t take months to come up with a pre-trial investigation report and to act accordingly, i.e., recommend a court martial or not and Senga had all the time to do so, so why didn’t he?

    If I am maligning Senga here is because I too want to know the truth and he must come out and speak! He who was a Mindanao veteran, known as no-nonsense general, he should have taken the bull by the horns and decided.

    Or did he? Did he write a report (he must have written one) following a real PTI and submitted it to Gloria recommeding for the dismissal of the accused but Gloria didn’t want it or Esperon must have made sipsip to Gloria and said, “Wait na lang Ma’am, when I replace Senga, I will overturn his recommendations.”

    I’m positive Senga submitted a report to Gloria (even before the Mayuga committee was tasked to investigate and which, by the way, did not come up with a report as far as public is concerned.)

    Where is the Senga report? Will his report acquit the officers? That’s why Gloria and Esperon are hiding it?

  31. As for Bacarro’s coup conspiracy, here’s my thoughts on the matter – more than a year before he uttered his inanities; this also follows Marine Wife’s posts questioning the validity of the charges against the incarcerated military officers (posted it under www. philippinecommentary.blogspot.com/2006/03/thanks-lot-comrade-gloria.html ):

    HILLBLOGGER said…
    DJB,

    One for the road: re PCIJ report on AFP power point presentation from http://www.pcij.org/blog/

    March 3, 2006 @ 12:46 pm

    My reading: It was a load of political gobbledygook rubbish. There’s no meat in that report. A relatively juinor military officer does not make up a powerful component of the AFP able to topple a regime! The only more sernior officers that figure in that report were 2 RETIRED & VERY OLD military officers. Never mind the leftist elements – we know what they’ve been trying to do.

    Really now! Is that all Gloria’s government can hatch, put together as evidence of an attemtped coup d’état? Come on! Even kids from a junior military academy in VA, USA could do better than that.

    In other words, this AFP power point presentation did not show any evidence of a failed coup d’état conspiracy between the military and the commies; moreover, it confirmed that the guys have absolutely no serious basis for crying coup d’état conspiracy, assination attempt, etc.

    Come on! SOE on the basis of some gibberish documents and a meeting of retired officers wit a bunch of suspected leftists? And that’s the military-commie thingy? WHOA!

    I believe the whole thing is just a product of the warped imagination of upstart and daredevil Mike Defensor.

    To justify her proclamation of emergency rule, Gloria must continue raking the woods for evidence.

    You know what I’m going to do, DJB?

    I’m going to make a hard copy of this presentations show it to friends from NATO – senior ranking military officials – who are professional at intel gathering, etc. I’m playing golf with some of them tomorrow. Most of them are aware of the happenings in Pinas. I wanna have their reaction.

    I bet they will be amazed and like me, they will say, “Is that all? That’s their coup d’état conspiracy?”

    Will update you.

  32. I am familiar with the tons and volumes and volumes of paperwork that AFP and staff submit widely and I am surprised that the so-called coup conspîracy under Senga should not have a report signed and sealed by Senga to the attention of Gloria.

    Just doesn’t make sense… I’m positive that there is a secret report by Senga addressed to his president re the February stand off and the brou-haha but which report, I believe, has now been either burnt by Esperon or burried in the depths of his bowels.

  33. Find that report and we will know the truth.

  34. The liberty of this men hinges on several factors, one of them is the truth and that truth could either be contained in a report by Senga to his president.

  35. Ooops, “The liberty of THESE OFFICERS and men hinges on several factors…”

  36. Marine wife Marine wife

    If Gen Lim and Col Querubin did not inform Gen Senga about the plans and the restlessness of the junior officers then the AFP would not have known anything. The reason why Gen Lim and Col Querubin decided to inform Gen Senga was primarily because they did not want any bloodshed nor violence. They wanted a unified not a divided Armed Forces. They have been incarcerated before and they do not want the other officers and men to experience what they went through in the past. Gen Senga understood their plight and they discussed the problems in the AFP. Gen Senga told them to pacify and inform the junior officers not to push thru with their plans and they obeyed that is why no member of the AFP was in the rally. But incarceration is what they got for obeying orders of the Chief of Staff then.. . all these charges and detention was orchestrated by Esperon or under his strict orders…

  37. Marine wife Marine wife

    Will try to find out if that report still exists… even the original Mayuga Report can’t be found.

  38. pechanco pechanco

    Bakit sa akin mo ibinabaling ang galit mo, Mrivera? It was just an opinion from me. Never did I state that Bacero or anyone of those idiots was right. Kung high blood ka at nasa mood ngayon lumaban, then get your weapon and attack them? We’re all very upset. Hindi lang naman ikaw. So, relax ka lang mister.

  39. neonate neonate

    Marine wife Says: September 10th, 2007 at 11:22 pm “There are some detained officers who were not even investigated… not even allowed to submit a counter affidavit. They just found out that their names were in the list and so they were detained.”
    But, of course. The logic of those with guilty conscience and under siege is “if you’re not with me, you must be against me.”
    Anna, stay cool, avoid apoplexy. We need your strong voice in Ellenville. I could be wrong about Senga, but to me his Feb07 play-safe action was benign neglect bordering on cowardice. So, where has this landed him, a plum job from patron Ate Glue or in sulky limbo?

  40. Re Marine wife’s comment: “How could the marines and rangers conspire, when most of them only met during the hearing.”

    Related to that is (was) the case filed against these same officers before the Department of Justice plus a number of civilian personalities, one of them former UP President Francisco “Dodong” Nemenzo, whose name the NBI mixed up with Nemesio Pridente of PUP.

    The case against them is titled “Maj. Gen. Renato Miranda et al”

    During the break in the hearing, Gen. Miranda approached Nemenzo and said, “Oh, so you are the “et al”

  41. Marine Wife said:”Another competent officer outside is an officer who was on AWOL for more than a year while still receiving salary then he was promoted to BGEN because he fabricated stories to implicate the detained marine officers.”

    Are you referring to Brig. Gen. John Martir?

    What’s his position now?

  42. Reject they do in the AFP these requests of the Marine Commander for reason of humanity,I am not surprised. Sinabi na nga nating mga ungas at kriminal ang mga pinuno nila ngayon e. Point is for how much longer will the more gentlemen among the men in uniform can bear to be led to perdition by these incompetent, etc. puro yabang lang officers? Nasa sa kanila ang desisyon. The public can only wait and then join them in a real honest to goodness Filipino revolution!

  43. From a military officer:

    What conspiracy Bacarro and Esperon are talking about? Are they lawyers?

    Why can’t they just abide with the recommendation of the PTI officers?

    The problem with many of us in the AFP is that we always speak and talk as if we totally know and understand what law is all about and yet don’t know how to abide with what the law says.

    Competent AFP?

    Their most recent debacles will show the real state of our AFP today. These officers are forced to perform their mandates of fighting forthe republic but the big question is are they really happy with the present leadership?

  44. Another culture perfected and propagated by the daughter of Dadong is the culture of sipsip. Mas masipsip, mas malaking kita!!! 😛 Taasan pa ng rangko!

    At least, my mother’s nephew got his position the ordinary way, no sipsip! Problem is he is seemingly being used as a scapegoat for all those robberies bing committed against some incarcerated soldiers they probably think they can frighten and weaken to submission to the crooks who have made them prisoners now in the first place.

    God help these gallant men now in prison to be stronger and determined to fight these crooks to the end for country and people!

  45. rose rose

    Marine Wife: Thank you for the enlightenment. As Sampot said “real stories come from real people”. You and Gokusen are real..Thank you.

  46. chi chi

    “““The inventory of officers outside [detention] are [composed of] equally competent officers. There are more competent officers outside.””

    Ha! Ha! Ha! We, including Gloria and Asspweron, all know that the imprisoned battle tested officers are the best that we have.

    Sige nga, name those “more competent officers outside”. Bacarro is full of shit!

  47. chi chi

    Marine wife says, “He (Assperon) spent most of his time doing intelligence work and maybe 75% of it was done on his desk.
    ***

    No wonder, the unfortunate Basilan incident was a mess up!

  48. chi chi

    Sampot,

    Gokusen is a fighting young lady. She’ll be right here after the Ramadan, I guess.

  49. chi chi

    Marine wife said that some detained officers just found out that their names were in the list, so they were detained. No investigation was made and were not allowed to submit a counter affidavit.

    That’s exactly what they did in Basilan. Asspweron et al just listed the names of whoever were available in the rooster of whatever. Pinupulot lang ang mga pangalan kahit saan, ayon kay Gokusen. Kaya hangga ngayon ay naggo-Google pa sila dahil ang 300 suspects sa Basilan massacre ay phantoms lahat.

  50. chi chi

    Yup, Neonate. I have no respect left for Senga.

    If he was a courageous soldier, he would have let the public know of the real score. Mas pinili niya ang madatung na retirement. Supot din!

  51. Sampot Sampot

    Thanks Chi for the info, and my apologies to Gokusen.

    Thanks a lot also to Marine Wife who tried her best posting here instead, as she should have been sleeping already.

    Kunsabagay, gaya ng nasabi ko na – delikado pala ang administrasyon na ‘to… maidlip ka lang ng kunti marami ng kabalbalang ginawa. And to think what they are capable of doing three years more and beyond.

    That’s why Marine Wife i fully subscribe to the Last Revolution as outlined at http://www.sundalo.bravehost.com

    I am even willing to go to the extreme. Evil can only be eliminated when good men are willing to become “evil” themselves just for one day. After these Reptiles are all physically eliminated, we can always go back to being good.

    For how else can you justify the existence of Armed Forces in all nations around the world if killing is indeed evil?

    “A revolution may be conducted against a national government, if such a government has abused the power placed at its disposal by the people, with the purpose of having injustice administered, by using this power to drown out the public voice and at the same time to administer to its own convenience or caprice…” – Apolinario Mabini

  52. Mrivera Mrivera

    pechanco,

    ano ba ang masama kung punahin ang post mo na medyo mapakla?

    masama bang ipabatid sa iyo ang hindi mo napag-ukulan ng pansin?

    ang sa iyo pala, kapag pinuna ka ay galit na.

    kung meron akong armas, eto lapis at pambura!

  53. Mrivera Mrivera

    “He (Assperon) spent most of his time doing intelligence work and maybe 75% of it was done on his desk.”

    kaya nga lalong nabopol dahil hindi marunong mag-process ng classified information. natuliro ang utak kaya tingnan ninyo ang itsura, parang puyat na uwak!

    ang alam lang niyan ay EWAN info galing sa mga asset niyang lasenggero!

  54. chi chi

    “Evil can only be eliminated when good men are willing to become “evil” themselves just for one day”

    Sampot,

    Agree! Desperate time needs desperate measure!

    Gising mga good soldiers and citizens! We let Gloria treat us all gago, time to set aside our patience…let’s go and kick her smelly butt!

  55. Mrivera Mrivera

    to contain them, one must play their own game!

  56. chi chi

    Mrivera,

    Korek, kaya dapat ay takutin na sila ng mga nakakulong na magigiting na sundalo.

  57. Mrivera Mrivera

    no amount of trust, respect and civility could transform the demons housed in malakanyang into civilized people.

    they will remain as they are – ravenous devils.

  58. Sampot Sampot

    Chi,

    For some reasons, I came out to be a very practical person. Extreme Poverty failed to stop me from where I am today. Although i haven’t done much from most standards, but it’s a lot different for someone who is a former Child Laborer.

    More than three decades na po akong nagsubaybay both political and economic affairs ng ating bansa, and yet we are not getting any better. Ano pa ba ang hindi natin nagawa? I keep asking this to myself.

    I’ve been a keen observer of ordinary fellow workers in the past. From a Machinist [Lathe Operator] I’ve learned that one can only cut a piece of iron by using another harder piece of iron [or recently, with a high-pressured water jet]. Same with cutting a diamond which can only be accomplished by using a much harder piece of diamond.

    What does these leave us in the context of eliminating evil in our society, especially in the government? Is it not a practical approach to eliminate evil by being a harder evil ourselves?

    Isang araw lang naman.

    Business establishments, from time to time, need to renovate the physical component of their businesses. A lot even go further in reengineering established processes and methods. So why can’t we implement a statewide renovation of the whole system kung saan lahat ng mga bulok ay aalisin?

    I really mean everything that has contributed to the deterioration of the most basic definition of being a sovereign republic.

    Nobody in his right mind would hope that it’s still possible to reorrient the malignantly corrupt mind of an Abalos, the whole Arroyo Family, etc.

    And i beg to disagree – eliminating these evils is not a desperate measure, but an intelligent practical one.

  59. Sampot Sampot

    “The French Revolution (1789–1799) was a period of political and social upheaval in the political history of France and Europe as a whole, during which the French governmental structure, previously an absolute monarchy with feudal privileges for the aristocracy and Catholic clergy, underwent radical change to forms based on Enlightenment principles of republic, citizenship, and inalienable rights. – en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Revolution

  60. Sampot’s “Nobody in his right mind would hope that it’s still possible to reorrient the malignantly corrupt mind of an Abalos, the whole Arroyo Family, etc.”

    Agree en toto!

    Besides would be a waste of important time, precious rations, determined efforts, good heart, and even of our meager space, not to speak of money or the lil that’s left after Gloria and her govt have looted the treasury, to even begin to try to rehabilitate these corruption addicts – we need to use the resources (heart, mind, money, understanding, etc.) for those who have less in life.

    These scumbags have everything while many Payatas and dumpsite folks, children to boot, have absolutely nothing.

    In other words, and right you are – we need to re-focus our priorities before the nation implodes.

  61. Sampot Sampot

    Corruption Addicts.

    Pretty accurate, relevant, description of the true Enemies of the State.

    I’ll add that to “Tapeworm”… who was it again?

  62. Haha – Apostol is the tapeworm.

  63. Sampot Sampot

    thanks.

  64. Marine wife Marine wife

    Ma’am Ellen… you are right. The Marine General is BGen Jonathan C. Martir. He is the present Brigade Commander of the CSSB – Combat Service Support Brigade based in Bonifacio Naval Station, Fort Bonifacio.

  65. Marine wife Marine wife

    In Camp Capinpin at around 9PM tonight, over a hundred soldiers where assembled in front of the 2nd Infantry Division Headquaters. They are preparing for any eventuality… I am not sure what they are expecting. Maybe their intelligence reports revealed that the detained officers plan to escape tonight.

  66. Marine wife Marine wife

    Just like last December 2006 when the detained marine officers were still in Cavite City, their desk intelligence report revealed that Col Querubin will escape with the help of Australian forces. Their story was that a helicopter will get Col Querubin in Cavite and will bring him to the international airport to board QANTAS Airways bound for Australia….

  67. Marine wife Marine wife

    Intel men were stationed in Naval Base Cavite to guard the guards of the Marine detained officers.

    While Col Querubin was under house arrest, he had two Marine guards on duty 24 hours a day and at the of the road a group of INTEL men from ISAFP, ISG and AFPCIG where also guarding the Marine security.

    Even in Tanay, there are INTEL personnel monitoring the activities of the guards and detainess…

    They do not even trust their own men…
    They do not even trust their own men.

  68. Marine wife Marine wife

    Correction….and at the end of the road…

  69. Marine wife, sayang!

    “Their story was that a helicopter will get Col Querubin in Cavite and will bring him to the international airport to board QANTAS Airways bound for Australia….”

    From there he could promise his men “I shall return!”

    No kidding, if the escape can be done, I’m all for it; it is their duty to TRY TO ESCAPE to fight the good fight!

  70. Marine wife Marine wife

    While Gen Lim was under house arrest, he had a lot of security around his house, near and far… he can not even go to church even if the church was walking distance from his quarters. Actually gen lim can see the church and hear the singing in the church but because of INTEL reports that said… there were groups ready to rescue him… so the whole time he was under house arrest, Gen Lim was not able to hear mass except for the mass that was said inside his house

  71. Marine wife Marine wife

    What is their criminal or administrative liability?

    During the Marine stand off, Col Querubin was not armed. He only asked the people to pray and support them.

  72. Marine wife Marine wife

    Whatever their plans are, if they have plans… I am not privy to it..

    But i just hope and pray that one day I will wake up wtih a new AFP Chief of Staff and a new President… then and only then can I rest.

  73. chi chi

    # Marine wife Says:

    September 11th, 2007 at 11:53 pm

    In Camp Capinpin at around 9PM tonight, over a hundred soldiers where assembled in front of the 2nd Infantry Division Headquaters. They are preparing for any eventuality… I am not sure what they are expecting. Maybe their intelligence reports revealed that the detained officers plan to escape tonight.
    ***

    So, what will these soldiers do if their encarcerated superiors decided to bolt and joined Gloria and Asspweron’s imagined chaos, shoot them?!

    Isip-surot na intel report, isip-surot na order!

  74. chi chi

    Mas maigi kung tumakas sila lahat, wala rin namang justice para sa kanila as long as Gloria and Asspweron are in-charge.
    At least sa labas ay makakalaban sila ng parehas!

  75. Chi,

    They MUST TRY TO ESCAPE the minute they see an opening – it is their moral duty and I have no doubt these officers of honour are trying to do that.

    If ever there is anything I will pray for from now on is that they BE ABLE TO ESCAPE and give Esperon, Gloria and her hooligans a severe beating they will never forget!

  76. chi chi

    I’m with you there, Anna.

    Last night, I dreamt that some of them were outside the barbed wire.

    Pati sa panaginip ko, dala ko pa ang situation nila as discussed here.

  77. Sige, gentlemen, takas na!

  78. TonGuE-tWisTeD TonGuE-tWisTeD

    Tama si Marine Wife, talks of springing out these detained officers are everywhere. I think it’s the reason they changed plans of using fully armed soldiers to guard the street rallies.

    These soldiers take their direct orders from junior officers who may be sympathetic to someone else’s cause. And if their men are fully armed, it will be dangerous for the bootlicking military leaders. Don’t be surprised if you see generals in the frontlines in today’s activities.

    The military backup support for the PNP will not be in the streets unless its very very necessary. They will be staying in the camps, I’m sure. Maybe gathered in the parade grounds where everyone can see them. Tsk tsk tsk. This is what we get for having crooks in the military, and the good ones are in jail!

    Pati mga commercial ships na biyaheng South minomonitor na rin. Baka i-commandeer ng mga Scout Rangers at Marines na naka-assign sa Basilan, Sulu, at Tawi-Tawi papuntang Maynila?

    Sila sila na nga ang nagbabantayan. Baka sila sila na rin ang magbanatan. Pero hindi nila kailangang magratratan, nasa Malacañang lang naman ang problema, magsama-sama na lang sila at ayusin na ang problema. Tuparin na lang nila ang sinumpaang ipagtatanggol ang mga mamamayan ng matapos na ang paghihirap ng bansa.

    Sana nga.

  79. Diego K. Guerrero Diego K. Guerrero

    OR let the detained officers escape and then shoot them. It’s a face saving option of Gloria Arroyo and Assperon’s Kangaroo Court.

  80. Naku kayo,you are making gloria and her minions more nervous.

    How can those officers escape the guards and the fences are triple, even quaruple, heavy.

    The tale of Col. Querubin being rescued with the help by Australian is really crazy.

    They are afraid of their own shadows.

  81. Marine wife Marine wife

    For the information of everyone… the detained officers gets to read all your comments regularly… I think someone prints it for them…

  82. Marine wife Marine wife

    According to a priest who said mass for the detained officers, 90 percent of the people he talked to in the outside world, are for and with them…

  83. chi chi

    Marine wife,

    Thanks for officially informing us. We love them here at Ellenville.

  84. myrna myrna

    Marine wife, thanks for your input. we do appreciate that you can keep us updated on what’s going on with those lousy devils of esperon.

    sana, maging lalong matatag ang mga detained offices. do assure them of our prayers. and for their families, we salute you for your indomitable spirit.

    by the way, on a lighter side, naku ha, binata pa pala si langkit! 🙂 hmmmmm…. and he’s good looking!

  85. I think our only hope for a return to the normal path of democracy, paradoxical as it may sound are these incarcerated officers of honour.

  86. meksens meksens

    Myrna:

    by the way, on a lighter side, naku ha, binata pa pala si langkit! hmmmmm…. and he’s good looking!

    ******
    Maldita ka rin ano? Ayaw ni Medy Prensya ng ganyan. Hala, ayusin ang poise!

  87. chi chi

    Medy Prensya, hahahah! Thanks for the hearty laugh, meksens.

  88. myrna myrna

    meksens…hehhehe. ayos naman poise ko. hitsura nga ni glorialla..

    walang binatbat ang mukha ni medeperensiya sa mga poise ng mga bloggers dito noh!?! 🙂

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