by Ashzel Hachero
Detained Sen. Antonio Trillanes IV has rejected an “all-encompassing” amnesty proposed by Speaker Jose de Venecia.
“I won’t accept an amnesty especially coming from such an illegitimate government. That’s the easiest way out but I would not accept it,” Trillanes said Thursday after attending a hearing of his coup d’état case at the Makati regional trial court.
Trillanes, a leader of the Oakwood in 2003 when he was a Navy lieutenant, is asking the Makati court to reverse its decision junking his petition to attend Senate sessions.
Trillanes said the Arroyo government has no moral legitimacy to offer an amnesty.
He said it was just a propaganda ploy designed to gain public sympathy after a spate of scandals and controversies.
“The Arroyo administration should not be there in the first place so why would I accept such a preposterous proposal?” he said.
De Venecia has said he is proposing the amnesty proclamation for political crimes committed by the Moro Islamic Liberation Front, the Moro Islamic Liberation Front, the communist group, “and the elements of the extreme right who have been involved in destabilization.”
Detained Capt. Nicanor Faeldon, through lawyer Trixie Angeles, also said he would not accept amnesty.
Angeles said Faeldon has done nothing wrong and should not even be in jail for voicing out his grievances against corruption in government and military.
Also on Thursday, military officers facing mutiny charges in connection with the February 2006 aborted withdrawal of support from President Arroyo dared De Venecia to go beyond “floating” his proposed proclamation.
Mabuhay ka Sen. Trillanes! Mabuhay ka Capt.Faeldon! Mabuhay kayong lahat! Sen. Trillanes said: “Arroyo has no moral right..” Ang tingin ko “she has no morals”..At hindi ako bulag.
What’s interesting is that while Trillanes and the rest of the brave detained soldiers refuse the amnesty being offered if this comes to reality, President Estrada and his son Jinggoy welcome it. I’m now a bit confused…confused because I didn’t expect that from my two idols.
goji: hindi ko rin maintindihan si Erap at ang anak niya..except perhaps as Sen. Trillanes said..”it is an easy way out..” convenience is the thing! Pero kung may ambition si Jinggoy beyond 2010 to borrow the words of Kiko: Noted.
Erap disowns the statement made by Rufus Rodriguez, his spokesperson.
Rodriguez said he was misquoted.
As far as I know, Jinggoy is eyeing either the Vice or President in 2010. He may team up with Villar. That explains his softening stand these days. Of course it has the blessing of his father in Tanay. To be honest with you, I’m now having second thought of these Estradas whom my family have supported since the beginning.
Well Ellen, let’s then give Estrada the benefit of the doubt.
The trouble with people these days is that they have the habit of denying and disowning what they have said when confronted.
And that applies to many of our politicians and celebrities today. Since Estrada is very much restricted in Tanay not even being allowed to use a cell phone, what about Jinggoy who has all the luxuries of time and resources as Senator? His joining the majority group to support Villar, his surprising defense of Mikey and Iggy Arroyo for chairing two power committees, his welcome of the amnesty being worked out…all these point to a different Jinggoy. Is Jinggoy doing these on his own or with the blessing of his father? Only the two know…not their Spokesman Rufus.
As I posted here very much earlier, Sen. Trillanes and Erap will never waver in their previous stand not to accept amnesty because primarily, they believe they’re not guilty of the charges levelled against them and second, they will never become part of a charade called “Amnesty Me”.
As to Jinggoy, he’s his own man. He’s acting on his own and don’t want to stay under the shadow of his father. It’s part of his politics because as we observed, he didn’t want to be tagged as always following what his father says which did him when he fought JV’s candidacy by putting his own men. Don’t forget that he’s just under temporary liberty.
But my friend, Jinggoy must not forget that he was elected mainly because of his father. If he keeps contradicting his father and makes a different stand on important issues, does it help him and his career? Does he think he can win a higher position in 2010 without his father? Even now, many are already dismayed with Jinggoy. Jinggoy can never get away from his father’s shadow. If he does that’s the end of this political career. How did he become the mayor of San Juan if not for his father? So, it doesn’t make sense why he has to have opposing views right now. Or is it because there are some family reasons or problems that we don’t know. Remember Estrada once mentioned JV was his favorite. That could be one way a spoiled brat Jinggoy gets back at his father.
Sabit si Jingoy sa plunder case. Baka ang secret deal sa Malacanang absuelto si Jingoy at pero guilty si Erap. Kaya may rason para kampihan niya ang mga Arroyo sa kongreso.
So you’re saying Jinggoy is willing to give up his father as long as he Jinggoy is set free? Of course the fact that Jinggoy was allowed to post bail means his case is less than that of his father who’s the principal accused. If Jinggoy abandons his father and sleeps with the devil, he better go to hell.
Ganyan talaga ang takbo ang pulitika sa Pilipinas. Hudasan!
“The Arroyo administration should not be there in the first place so why would I accept such a preposterous proposal?”
Perfectly said Senator Trillanes. ‘Yan ang gusto ko sa senador, walang paligoy-ligoy kung magbitiw ng salita.
Capt. Nick Faeldon, mabuhay ka. Habang nandiyan kayo at hindi sumusuko sa mga pangakong napapako ni Gloria, mayroon pa tayong pag-asa na makawala sa nakakadismaya nating kalagayan.
Erap disowns the statement of his spokesperson, Rufus Rodriquez.
Rufus said he was misquoted.
Easy way out sa kapalpakan ninyo!
What about Jinggoy saying they are open to the “amnesty me”? Misquoted din?
Nakakabanas kayo!
Goji,
Kapag ganyan palagi si Jinggoy, he’ll be a goner very soon. Even his father wouldn’t be of much help for the continuation of his successful political career. Nakakadismaya itong si Jinggoy. Hindi marunong magbasa ng sentimiento ng majority of pinoys.
Chi, people love and support Jinggoy due to their very high respect and admiration for his father. If he thinks he can be on his own and opposes his father’s wishes, he better watch out. This boy is very arrogant and has a bad temper. He acts like a toughie. But when Chavit Singson went to the Senate to confront him, Jinggoy was reported to have hidden.
goji,
Exactly! Subukan niyang lumaban ng walang bendisyon ang tatay erap niya at pupulutin din siya sa kangkungan. Baka akala ni Jinggy ay porke senador na siya ngayon ay OK lang ang mga tao na iboto siya sa susunod. Hindi nag-iisip. Tama ka, arogante ang taong ito.
Bilib ako dito kay JV.
Do you know that JV cried in the presence of his father in Tanay when his father asked him to withdraw his candidacy? That shows how obedient this son is. Sometimes, children of second wife turn out to be better than the children of the first.
goji: now I understand..did Jinggoy grow up in the States?
If he did- karamihan sa mga laki dito ay “the easy way out”
at ang paniwala nila sila na ang pinakamahusay sa balat ng mundo. His heart is not for the Philippines..did JV grow up in San Juan? If he did his heart is for the people of San Juan..mahal niya ang San Juan, mahal niya ang Pilipinas..
I don’t know if Jinggoy studied or grew up in the states. For one thing, his English is not that perfect…average or below average. He and his other brother Jude were known toughies when they were much younger. Jude’s gender is even in question. Don’t they look like spoiled brats? Sure they are.
Compare them to JV who has that masa-look. JV is very simple and polite.
goji: mali mali ang English ng karamihan sa kano. And their spelling?? unbelievable. Kaya sa Spelling Bee, ang kadalasan na naging champion in every level ay Indian, Chinese or Filipinos..I teach CCD to public school children here in JC= grade 7 level..mas mahusay pa ang mga pamankin ko sa Pilipinas magbasa.
You said it. Americans (Canadians and others included) are only fluent in speaking but cannot write as well as the Filipinos. In the Spelling Bee contest, it’s Filipinos, Indians and Chinese that rank above these Americans.
It is so easy to generalized. Who said Americans don’t know how to spell? I have been working with ‘Americans’ or if you want to be spicific, the ‘white’ people, they’re just like anybody else. In general, they are nice people.
Are you talking to Rose or me, Ms. Nat King Cole? We did not generalize. We only cited facts. And you’re right, the ones in our mind are the whites…and blacks…the mainstream. If you’re a Filipina married to a white (most Filipinas are in US), then you’re excluded. Anyway, I personally regret if you got offended. It was never to be that way.
America is the ‘melting pot’ of the whole world and no one can deny that.
And I would like to correct the misinformation being posted here.
These are the top Spelling Bee finishers:
Evan M. O’Dorney, 1st place
Contra Costa Times, Walnut Creek, California
Age 13, eighth grade
School: Venture School
Hometown: Danville, California
Nate Gartke, 2nd place
Edmonton Journal, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Age 13, eighth grade
School: Victoria School for Performing and Visual Arts
Hometown: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Joseph Henares, 3rd place (tie)
New Haven Register, New Haven, Connecticut
Age 14, eighth grade
School: Home School
Hometown: Avon, Connecticut
Isabel A. Jacobson, 3rd place (tie)
Wisconsin State Journal, Madison, Wisconsin
Age 14, eighth grade
School: O’Keeffe Middle School
Hometown: Madison, Wisconsin
Goji,
See, you tend to generalize – ‘most filipinas in US are married to whites’. How do you know? Is this based on facts or just your opinion? And how do you know if I am a woman, man, lesbian or gay? The internet is full of people with VERY fictitious screen names.
goji Says:
August 18th, 2007 at 10:33 am
Are you talking to Rose or me, Ms. Nat King Cole? We did not generalize. We only cited facts.
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Where did you get your facts?
I got mine from the Spelling Bee website. It’s so easy to get the right information. You should have gone to their website before commenting on this.
Goji,
By the way, Alice Cooper and Marilyn Manson are men.
Nice talking to you.
Same here. Thanks for dropping by the blog. Are you also a man using a woman’s name? I’m glad you know how to spell “men”.
GinaCole: Be cool..goji and I did not generalize.. BTW- check this out your sentence..”it is easy to generalized.”
Bakit ka ba galit?…I based my observatiions on my experiences working here. And if I may say so..I have been here before you were born..thus I can safely say that I have more experiences working with Americans..than you have even if you were born here..unless you are 90 years old..I was a volunteer teaching Americans spell and read..and I still teach. We did not say they are not nice people..puede ba intindihin mo muna ang aming sinasabi bago ka mag ratat tat..ay ay kalisud…
GinaCole: Check this out..from your post above..”if you want to be spicific?” Bisaya ka ba? Makatulog na nga..
Goji: I can’t blame and I don’t blame the soldiers if they are now restless..”kung hindi sila magtrabajo as soldiers..mamatay sila sa gutom..kung magtrabajo naman sila they are at more risk to lose their lives. Nakakalungkot..
# rose Says:
August 18th, 2007 at 8:50 am
goji: mali mali ang English ng karamihan sa kano. And their spelling?? unbelievable. Kaya sa Spelling Bee, ang kadalasan na naging champion in every level ay Indian, Chinese or Filipinos..I teach CCD to public school children here in JC= grade 7 level..mas mahusay pa ang mga pamankin ko sa Pilipinas magbasa.
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Rose, this is what you said: ” mali mali ang English ng karamihan sa kano”. Hindi ba’t ang salitang ‘KARAMIHAN’ ay generalization?
If you really are a teacher, you should know the importance of FACTS, not misinformation. Where did you get your FACTS regarding the Spelling Bee winners?
To you and Goji – better check your info before posting.
Gina..I aaid based on my own experiences and observations..
I did not say they were facts..I know the differnce of facts and fictions or for that matter observations. Ano ang masabi mo ngayon sa mga information na ibinibiay sa media re this issue on Mindanao..facts or fiction? Not because the news came from Malacanang they are facts. Most (not all) of what people say here are opinions. karamihan “many of” and not all may qualification ang statement ko. In accounting we always say in my opinion..kaya sanay ako sa in my opinion..it is my educational background. I respect people’s opinion.. kasi if we base our postings here on facts alone then we can not have a discussion.. people of your intelligence and breed are quite rare.. we are talking of two different things..ang sabi nga ni Charlie Brown “you are entitled to your own wrong opinion..Ciao!
GinaCole,
I’m not in a position to defend tita rose..but reading the word “karamihan” ay di pag-gegeneralize..but if tita Rose used the word “lahat” yun ang generalization.. tulad din sa english..karamihan..means plenty ..but not “all” which lahat in tagalog.
siguro mejo since hirap na rin kayo mag-tagalog, at nakakatuwa dahil talagang pusong pinoy pa rin kaya nagkakaroon ng di pagkakaintindihan sa “usage” ng salita…
anyway…balik na lang tayo sa issue na topic ng discussion..wag na nating pahabain pa
gokusen,
Gusto mo ba tagalog na lang tayo? Sana nga topic na lang ang pinag-uusapan, wala na sana yung mga comment na nakakasira ng kapwa, Pilipino man o anong lahi. Ang punto ko lang, hindi mo na kailangang ‘banatan’ ang ibang lahi para lamang buhatin ang sariling upuan. Kung tutuusin ang tao sa mundo ay iisa ang pinagmulan. Kahit anong kulay ng balat, kapag nasugatan, pula ang kulay ng dugong nananalaytay.
GinaCole,
yun na nga eh, mejo di nga kayo magkaintindihan pero pareho naman kayo may kanya-kanya punto, basa ko rin yung side mo kaso nga lang yung mejo di nagkaintindihan sa bawat punto..ikaw man o si tita rose o si goji, nadala lang siguro kayo ng init ng pinagtatalunan…at nagkaroon ng ibang interpretasyon..ngipin man at dila minsan nagkakagatan pero di sinasadya..tayo pa kayang may-ari ng ngipin at dila…
hala…isyu na tayo…
sino ba si gloria para magbigay ng amnestiya?
nakakasukang isipin na nagmamalinis ang administrasyong ito na pinalalakad ng peke, napaliligiran ng mga timawang gutom sa kapangyarihan at naglalaway sa pagkakamal ng nakaw na yaman.
nakakapag-init bumbunan na kung sino pa ang mga pasimuno ng katiwalian ay may lakas pa ng loob na palabasing ang pagpapatawad sa mga walang kasalanan ang daan para sa pagkakaisa ng sambayanan samantalang wala silang hinangad kundi ang pagwatakwatakin ang bawat sektor ng lipunan upang mabigyang katwiran ang bawat nilang kapalpakan!
bakit kailangan pang pagtalunan ang hindi naman ugnay dito sa pnag-uusapan?
wat is da bikos op yur payting?
am just hoping that AT4 including erap and all the 28 ecarcerated officers will remain to be a “men with word of honor”, not to take or otherwise attempt a bite in any kind of amnesty the evil president through JDV would offer them. and besides, they have not committed any crimes instead the evil president committed crimes for them.
JDV, first and foremost should know the content of the law, his responsibilities as a lawmaker, and the right persons whom this law applies. this is not a mathematics solving problem by “trial and error” to come up with the solution.
the proposed “all-encompassing amnesty” is highly appreciated and acceptable “if” the evil, cheater, and liar among all gloria arroyo and her cohorts who likewise committed crimes will be “excluded” instead bring them to justice.
gloria, free all polital prisoners you tagged as “enemy of the state”, stepped out from where you are sitting, and these honorable, ideal, and patriotic men would be glad to honor you ! wag mo nang antayin pang lusubin ka ng mga tao para kaladkarin sa kinauupuan mo! sobra na, tama na ang kawalanghiyaan at kayabangan mo! wala kang silbi na presidente sa totoo lang, wala kang puso!
yup, gma must freed all political enemies…especially “maas” Nur Misuari para malaman ng tao kung may kasalanan ba o hindi, kundi ang ginagawa ibinibitin ang pag-bail at pinaiikot ang taong bayan tungkol sa gulo sa basilan at sulu…ito ang magbibigay linaw sa gulong dala ng rehimen walang puso at kaluluwa!
Ingles ng kano? My foster mother in England has this to say when she thought I was talking American, “You should stop talking American. Yuko, for Americans have murdered the English language.”
Since then, I have tried to speak like the Queeen when talking English!!! 😛
Rose is right. Maraming gagong mag-spell sa mga kano. Kaya nga ang nananalo sa spelling bee ngayon all over USA, my Asians!!!
Gokusen:
If you cannot speak good English, OK lang. Hindi ka naman Amerikano o British para mag-try maging Amerikano o British. Mas bagay magsalita ng Tagalog ang mga pilipino!
Dapat nang magkaroon ng “sariling atin” ang mga pilipino, hindi iyong sabit ng sabit sa mga kano. Hindi naman sila pinapansin. I should know. As a Japanese, I get more “WoW!” from the Americans than what a Filipino can get from them.
Just like yesterday, when I went to Costco and the American guy saw my card issued in Japan, he asked if I were Japanese, and when I answered in the affirmative, biglang nagsisigaw ba naman doon na ipinakita ang Costco card ko na may nakasulat na “Japan” at saka iyong credit card kong Costco na gawa sa Japan. Gustung-gusto ko nang sabihan siyang, “Gunggong, para kang taong bundok na ngayon lang nakakakita ng sibilisasyon!” especially when I told him that over in Japan, our Costco has a parking lot on top of the Costvco buildiing na 3 stories high pa! Itneg talaga!!!
Anyway, sana nasa mabuting kalagayan ang mga kamag-anak mo. Ingat!
ystakei,
dba half ilocana ka din? alam mo din pala yong “itneg” ? isa yan sa mga salita ng taga bundok sa province of abra dba? okay ngarud !
Yuko,
thanks…! pede bang singit ng salitang hapon! Arigato Gozaimasu!
Rose, you’ve long heard about the mail order brides in the US; hence, lots of Filipinas with American last names, right? Gokusen, I do understand some people being offended when we criticize US’s involvement in Mindanao. Unless they can prove they are not there, they better shut up. It has been the US’s policy to get involved directly or indirectly in other countries’ conflicts. The Mindanao crisis happens to be one of the many…
ystakei says:
“Since then, I have tried to speak like the Queeen when talking English!!!”
(patalastas muna !):
ystakei, bilib na talaga ako sayo, hinde mapagkaila yon dahil kita naman sa mga posts mo kasi parang dinig ko kung paano mo bigkasin ultimo comma is like a queen’s! hahhahaha… pero mas bilib ako sa mga “kano”, bakit? kasi mga bata palang sila mahusay nang mag “english” ! smile !!!
Sang ayon ako kay Trillanes, ang amnestiyang ito ng gobyerno ay isang patibong, isang silo at isang pain upang kung sino man ang kumagat ay lalo lamang siyang mabaon sa kumunoy ng kawalang pag-asa. Pinaglalaruan nila ang batas na unang una ay sila sila ang nagpanukala, nagpasa at nagsabatas. Ngayon ay gusto nilang baguhin dahil hindi na tugma sa kanilang panlasa. At dahil kabilang sila sa mga nagkasala ay gusto ilang umiwas at tumakas sa pananagutang magdusa sa kanilang mga kasalanan. At natitiyak ko, lahat ng may itinatagong kasalanan, sasang-ayon sila.At lahat naman ng walang kasalanan ay tiyak na hindi sasang-ayon. Malinaw na mga kababayan ko.
“Principled men will only bow to a higher principle” (by Tiago).
GinaCOle, Tita Rose, Goji:
Language is an art. That’s why people who are good in the language are very articulate. I’ve been working with multinationals for more than 25 years and i can say that whether one is American, English, Italian, Swedish or what-have-you, it doesn’t matter. Ang importante ay you can relate, sabi nga ng mga kabataan. And it doesn’t take much to do so.
“Detained Sen. Antonio Trillanes IV has” said that he “won’t accept an amnesty especially coming from such an illegitimate government. That’s the easiest way out but I would not accept it.”
Senator Trillanes could not have said it better. Ata boy !
I agree Tiago (‘hope you’re not Santiago, the good senator). That discussion all started when this Gina Cole appeared from nowhere and began bashing us why we criticized the Americans for their poor spelling. Even this Gina doesn’t know how to spell her last name…it’s supposed to be “Call” not “Cole”…he, he.
Please, please lang, we have been distracted enough from the main topic with this discussion on English.
That’s the last comment on the out of topic subject. From hereon, I’ll erase comments on that.
Rose asks, “did Jinggoy grow up in the States?”
Rose,
Ang alam ko ay dinala ni Dra. Loi Estrada si Jinggoy at ibang anak sa America nuong naghiwalay sila ni Erap. At dun nag-aral. Hindi ko lang alam kung gaano katagal dahil hindi naman na-play-up sa showbiz gossip yun. Hinihikayat ni Erap na bumalik sila Loi sa Pilipinas at makipagbalikan. Kaya marami ring naging chicks at nakarelasyon si Erap dahil dyan. Hindi ko alam kung kailan bumalik si Jinggoy at Loi sa Pilipinas.
I think Loi and children returned when Estrada ran for Senator or was it earlier? It was obvious that Estrada and Loi are not really that sweet and close. Estrada seems to be more affectionate to Guia Gomez. When Loi learned that Guia had plan to run for mayor of San Juan last election while JV ran for Senate, Loi threatened to run independently on her own. Since that would embarrass Estrada, he advised Guia not to run. So, JV went back to his mayoral candidacy. Jinggoy also wanted to put his wife Precy as mayor of San Juan. In disgust, Jinggoy endorsed a different set of candidates instead of supporting Jinggoy’s team. Fortunately, only one of Jinggoy’s candidates won.
hmmmmm…. bakit kaya sa States pumunta ang mga estrada? bakit kaya hindi sa japan? mas malapit yun di ba?
Why not to Japan? Perhaps ystakei can answer your question. But what’s your point, DinaPinoy?
kahit ano pa siguro ang sabihin niyo kina erap at jinggoy tingin ko sa kanilang mag-ama wala silang kasalanan talagang lumalaban sila sa gobyernong ito kayat sama-sama tayo sa mga ipinaglalaban nila kasama na diyan sina senator trillanes at faeldon