Tirad Pass Brigade
August 12, 2007
The members of the Tirad Pass Brigade, the officers and rank and file soldiers of the Armed Forces of the Philippines and Philippine National Police extend their condolences to the families and friends of the scores of foot soldiers and young officers who have been killed in action in Mindanao the past several weeks.
We also express our sympathy with the tens of thousands of people who are being displaced by the widespread military operations in Basilan and Sulu.
As a movement upholding the democratic aspirations and desires of the common soldier, the TPB denounces the Arroyo administration and the AFP top brass for deceiving our men, using them as cannon fodder in carrying out a reckless war in Basilan and Sulu, ordering attacks against those who are not our real enemies and with whom we have been trying to work out peace. The attacks have also caused undue hardships among tens of thousands of innocent people in the area.
As a movement upholding the Filipino people?s desire for peace, we denounce what appears to be persistent efforts by the national government to escalate the war in Mindanao and thwart the peace process with both the Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF) and the Moro National Liberation Front (MNLF).
AFP soldiers are being used as live bait, ordered to intrude into and operate within recognized territories of the MILF and MNLF, violate ceasefire agreements with them and initiate aggressive attacks against them and their communities in obvious challenge to the Moro rebels to launch armed counter-offensives. The AFP leadership is now using the series of armed confrontations, its humiliating defeats and large losses of men to justify the intensified massive troop deployment and offensives in Basilan and Sulu.
Last July 11, Marine soldiers were ordered to enter Tipo Tipo, Basilan, purportedly in search of kidnapped Italian priest Fr. Giancarlo Bossi, even if it was public knowledge that he was not in Basilan. They were instructed to operate in a territory where MILF rebels are known to be strong. In violation of standing protocol and in disregard of the advice of local government officials in the area, the AFP leadership did not bother to coordinate with the MILF in order to ensure that no armed encounter would occur.
Trigger-happy AFP officers even ordered the soldiers to fire at any armed persons in sight. Thus, without verification and warning, two Moro farmers seen proceeding to their farms were immediately shot at, thus angering the community as well as the MILF troops in the area and provoking a massive counter-attack against our forces.
Not only were our fellow soldiers led by our own officers to a slaughter, they were not amply supported with reinforcements and air support, resulting in the large number of soldiers killed in action. And now our top brass in the national headquarters is trying to avoid blame and pass on to the field commanders the responsibility for the series of blunders that caused the defeat and big number of casualties of our soldiers.
And last week, Army soldiers were ordered to carry out operations in Parang and several other towns in Sulu, Jolo, purportedly to engage the Abu Sayyaf bandits. However, our men have been led not into Abu Sayyaf territory, but into known territories of the MNLF. We know for a fact that no Abu Sayyaf men have been involved in the several bloody engagements in Sulu during the past week.
This is confirmed not only by statements of the MNLF, but also by testimonies of our fellow Marine soldiers in the battlefield themselves. Statements by AFP spokesmen claiming that Abu Sayyaf men have been killed are all lies and are being made only to avoid being accused of violating peace agreements with the MNLF. The AFP spokesmen are now also claiming that the reason for our big number of casualties is because the other side had superior forces, after MNLF forces suppposedly combined with the Abu Sayyaf.
All this leads us to question the statements of the commander-in-chief, herself, claiming that the operations being carried out by the AFP in Basilan and Jolo are against the Abu Sayyaf and aim to fight for peace. If these statements are true, then why are the Army offensives targeting the MILF and MNLF and not the Abu Sayyaf? If we were really fighting for peace, then why are we endangering the peace processes and standing ceasefire agreements with the MILF and MNLF by attacking their forces and communities?
The TPB demands the immediate cessation of AFP offensives in Basilan and Sulu and the adherence to past peace and ceasefire agreements with the Moro rebels in order to allow the peace negotiations to continue and prosper.
I’m sorry but to say that no amount of declaration, statement, announcement can shake this Arroyo government to stop her cruelty against the Filipino people. She will never listen. She only listens to Uncle Sam who’s the one providing her evil government with resources to achieve their evil goals. In fact, she might be getting direct orders from these powerful foreign masters. Our military men know this too well. They have their sources and intelligence network. The south is not only rich in natural resources, it’s a very good military strategic base for foreigners to protect their own military interest in the Pacific. The Philippines, this time the south, is foreigners’ first line of defense against the latter’s enemies. So far, the foreigner we could think of is no other than our old friend and ally, the US. But today, I’ not surprised if other countries like Australia and Malaysia
have the same interest on the region. The Philippines in general and Mindanao in particular is becoming a piece of delicious meat to be eaten by hungry wolves. The most immediate solution is to remove the current evil leader in the country and replace her with a truly patriotic one. But, will the foreign master or masters allow her to be removed?
Panahon na para bigyan ninyong mukha ang inyong laban, Tirad Pass Brigade!
Sinabi pala ni Asspweron na ang mamatay ay realidad ng gera at ang troops ay collateral damage sa gerang ito!
Kung ganun ay maghanda na ng maraming kabaong ang pamilya ng mga sundalo.
Tama, kung ganito ang mga pahayag ni Asspweron ay talagang intensyon lang nila ni “Hello Garci Baby Gloria” ang ipambala sa kanyon ang foot soldiers!
Gising mga sundalo! Ang nananalo sa gera ay iyong may commander na alam ang ginagawa at hindi iyong isinasakripisyo ang kanyang mga tauhan para sa isang propaganda galore!
Gokusen, nabasa mo ba ito?
“Esperon clarified that the soldiers were only pursuing rogue MNLF rebels affiliated with the so-called Misuari Breakaway Group (MBG) for joining the ASG in last Thursday’s firefights that left 25 troops dead and 10 others injured.
The MBG is said to be a faction within the MNLF that is sympathetic to Misuari, who is on house arrest in Manila for a pending charge of rebellion. It is also said to have about a few hundred members. ” http://www.tribune.net
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Tumutugma ito sa sinabi mo na hindi papayagan ng administrasyong ito at Asspweron na matuloy ang tripartite! Si Misuari ang kinikilala ng OIC at ngayon ay kanilang hinahanting ang grupo niya dahil “double breakaway, double-double breakaway group” daw ito! (Ano kaya ang talagang gustong sabihin ni Asspweron?)
Oplan Greenbase Part II? It seems that bogus President Gloria Arroyo and her corrupt generals are provoking MNLF and MILF to open hostilities in exchange of more US military and economic aid to the Philippines. The alleged sinister plan is to create an atmosphere of fear, lawlessness and hostilities in Moslem Mindanao regions. Moreover, at the same time is to convince the US State Department to declare MNLF and MILF as a foreign terrorist organization. It will then justify US direct involvement in Mindanao and Sulu Islands or the next US battlefront in global war on terror. I hope this theory is not true.
My condolence and sympathy to the families of the dead soldiers and the collateral damages.
Please allow me to post this song to make everyone know what this is silly war is all about. Originally referring to the war in Timog, Cotabato, but now applicable, too, to the trouble in Sulu and elsewhere, it is nothing but a man-made “gulo” so that the criminal, who has cheated her way to victory together with her cahoots can remain sitting on the throne at the palace by the murky river: (lyrics and music found in http://www.ex-designz.net/filipinolyrics/displaysong.asp?lid=192)
Ang Bayan Kong Sinilangan (Timog Cotabato)
by: Asin
Ako’y isinilang sa isang bayan ng Cotabato
Kasing gulo ng tao, kasing gulo ng mundo
Dahil di magkasundo sa relihiyon at prinsipyo, nagkagulo.
Ang bayan ko sa Cotabato, kasing gulo ng isip ko
Di alam kung saan nanggaling, di alam kung saan patungo
Kapatid sa kapatid, laman sa laman
Sila-sila ang naglalaban, di ko alam ang dahilan ng gulo.
Bakit nagkaganon, ang sagot sa tanong ko
Bakit kayo nagkagulo, bakit kayo nag-away
Prinsipyo mo’y igagalang ko kung ako’y iyong nirespeto
Kung nagtulungan kayo, di sana magulo ang bayan ko.
Sa bayan kong sinilangan, sa timog Cotabato
Ako ay namulat sa napakalaking gulo
Dahil walang respeto sa prinsipyo ng kapwa tao
Kapwa Pilipino ay pinapahirapan mo, ang gulo.
Ako’y nananawagan, humihingi ng tulong n’yo
Kapayapaa’y bigyan ng daan, kapayapaan sa bayan ko
Bakit kailangan pang maglaban, magkapatid kayo sa dugo
Kailan kayo magkakasundo, kapayapaa’y kailan matatamo ng bayan ko?
Kung ako’y may maitutulong, tutulong nang buong puso
Gitara ko’y aking inaalay, kung magkagulo’y gamitin mo
Kung ang kalaba’y walang puso, puso na rin ang gamitin mo
Ituring mong isang kaibigan
Isipin mong siya’y may puso rin katulad mo.
Coda:
Sa bayan kong sinilangan (bakit may gulo…)
Sa timog Cotabato (sa timog Cotabato)
Ako ay namulat (kailan matatapos…)
Sa napakalaking gulo (ang gulo)
Dahil walang respeto (kailan magkakasundo…)
Sa prinsipyo ng kapwa tao (ang tao)
Kapwa Pilipino (kapwa Pilipino…)
Ay kinakalaban mo (bakit kinalaban mo)
Ang gulo
Glurilla and her lapdog ASPeron are going to great lengths to cover up the botch job of mutilation of ten marines. This “cannon fodder” routine is another case of botch job of “tough talk” of this Bonnie and Clyde duo — at the expense of hapless foot soldiers.
The beheading of ten marines was for the sole purpose of convincing the payment of ransom money for Bossi – so Bossi would be “released” in time for SONA. MILF and MNLF did not get any share of the ransom money and now they are on a “rampage” at the instigation of Bonnie and Clyde.
Chi is correct in stating that glurilla and ASPeron are using the hapless foot soldiers as their pawns to further and cover their mistakes.
A more sobering thought is the “geniusity” of the wily fox in glurilla garb who is orchestrating this moromoro to distract the pinoy people and make them forget albeit momentarily the extrajudicial killings and the monumental corruption that is siphoning the treasury.
Keep your eye on the ball — follow the money trail.
Diego, you said it all. It’s a conspiracy between Arroyo and Bush government. Ever wonder why this Arroyo is still in power?
Chi,
Gokusen, nabasa mo ba ito?
“Esperon clarified that the soldiers were only pursuing rogue MNLF rebels affiliated with the so-called Misuari Breakaway Group (MBG) for joining the ASG in last Thursday’s firefights that left 25 troops dead and 10 others injured.
The MBG is said to be a faction within the MNLF that is sympathetic to Misuari, who is on house arrest in Manila for a pending charge of rebellion. It is also said to have about a few hundred members. ”
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Yup, sabi nga pagkahaba-haba daw ng prusisyon sa simbahan din ang tuloy..isa lang naman talaga ang rason bakit sila nagsisimula lagi ng gulo dahil ayaw nilang matuloy ang tripartite conference para matahimik ang buhay ng mga tao dun. gagawa at gagawa sila ng rason para wag matuloy yun kahit na mamatay ang maraming sundalo at mga civilian..
Kung ano ang sinabi ng mga tirad pass brigade totoo yun, kunwari abu ang trinatrabaho pero ang pinupuntahan ay ang kampo ng mnlf o milf, sila ang nag-pro-provoke lumaban ang mga ito, kung binobomba ka na ba at nakikita mo ng pinapatay ang kalahi mo di ka pa kikilos para lumaban?
Bush had mentioned to Congress sometime back that the Philippines would be part of the Second Front in the War Against Terror. Could it be that this war in Mindanao is what he means ?
The world has had the access to watch the war in Iraq, and many have come to see that indeed the war has, & remains to be, senseless. The Bush administration has taken so much flak for it.
Only one who lacks brain cells would embark on such a venture called “War on Terror.” To my mind, the War on Terror is all about ideology: The Terrorists love death, the Coalition of the Willing love life. Really now, can ammunitions kill an ideology ? It only perpetuates it.
Thanks, Gokusen. Bago pa nila sabihin ay nasabi mo na lahat!
And last week, Army soldiers were ordered to carry out operations in Parang and several other towns in Sulu, Jolo, purportedly to engage the Abu Sayyaf bandits. However, our men have been led not into Abu Sayyaf territory, but into known territories of the MNLF. We know for a fact that no Abu Sayyaf men have been involved in the several bloody engagements in Sulu during the past week.
This is confirmed not only by statements of the MNLF, but also by testimonies of our fellow Marine soldiers in the battlefield themselves. Statements by AFP spokesmen claiming that Abu Sayyaf men have been killed are all lies and are being made only to avoid being accused of violating peace agreements with the MNLF. The AFP spokesmen are now also claiming that the reason for our big number of casualties is because the other side had superior forces, after MNLF forces suppposedly combined with the Abu Sayyaf.
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Ms. Ellen, nakita mo alam nila kung ano talaga at kung ano ang sinabi nila yun din ang sinabi ko sa yo at dito sa ellenville….hence, mnlf will never combined with abu….
Chabeli, America has lost and losing the war in Iraq. The operations in Afghanistan is also a flop. The next logical place to engage is Mindanao where they claim has Al Qaeda linked rebel groups like Abu Sayyaf. It has long unofficially started. Today, they have stamped it with approval so there’s now an official war against terrorists in Mindanao.
Chabeli,
Dubya lacks brain cells and his approval rating is almost at the bottom already because of his “War on Terror” which he’s not winning because as you said and I agree is all about ideology.
Then, here’s Dubya’s trying hard copycat, Gloria, who no longer has brain cells!
Goji,
I guess the Philippines, next to Iraq, will be on BBC or CNN covering the “War on Terror in Mindanao.”
Chi,
Ha ha ha, I agree that Gloria is “Dubya’s trying hard copycat” ! Kaso lang, second rate lang nga si Gloria !
walang misuari breakaway group…wag nilang guluhin utak ng tao…civilians are much close to mnlf and all are sympathizer of nur misuari..so ibig sabihin lahat ng tao dun mbg dahil lahat kami dun sympathizer ni nur misuari? Mas lumalapit at humihingi ng tulong ang civilian sa mnlf kesa sa militar dahil takot nga ang taong bayan sa militar..ang mga bata sa bukid pag nakakita na ng sundalo..tatakbo na yan at sasabihin ayan na mga sundalo magkakaputukan na naman…yan ang minulat ng gobyerno sa kabataan sa amin..
at sa mga sundalo naman na napupunta dun namulat sa kanila na lahat ng may hawak ng baril kalaban ng gobyerno kaya pag nakita babarilin…dun kahit 8 taon na gulang na bata marunong ng humawak ng M14 dahil nakagisnan na kailangan ang baril sa pagtanggol sa sarili dahil nga sa naglalabanan ang magkamag-anak sa magkamag-anak..para sa mga muslim proteksyon ang baril…
I’m indisposed for many days and this news about our soldiers being killed in wartorn Mindanao is discomforting and makes me more feeling sick. More so if we will read Alejandro Lichauco’s column in the Daily Tribune:
Are soldiers being sent deliberately to their death?
Chabeli:
Bush in fact included the Philippines in his Axis of Evil. I was surprised when I heard it, and disappointed that nobody in the Philippines protested against it except perhaps the group of Joma Sison because they were included in the terror list of Bush dahil maraming idiot in the Philippines na gusto palaging ibino-volunteer ang mga pilipino to be made as guinea pigs of Americans!!!
Tama si Alitaptap when he mentioned that there must be some money trail for these silly wars in preparation for the establishment of US and Australian military bases in Mindanao on the pretext that Filipino soldiers, without foreign help, cannot defend their country. Laking insulto iyan sa totoo lang, but they do not seem to care! Basta may datong!!!
Gokusen:
I believe you. Hindi idiot si Misuari. Scholar iyan ano? Sayang, naging rebelde!
Ystakei,
Based on your recent comments, It’s a sad reality for the country talaga. I, too, am “disappointed that nobody in the Philippines protested against” Bush’s inclusion of the Philippines in its Second Front on the War Against Terror.
Could the reason why Gloria wants to go to war in Mindanao is to increase the aid of America to the Philippines, after the Bush administration requested that the budget to the Philippines be cut ?
TP,
re “Are soldiers being sent deliberately to their death?”
Iyan ang matagal ng topic namin while you’re sick. Pagaling ka. Hindi ko na rin masikmura ang mga pinaggagawa nitong si Gloria terorista at Asspweron, in fact I’ve been feeling nauseous for days already.
Yuko and Chabeli,
Gloria and Asspweron and the tradpols don’t have the balls to contradict Bush, they’re too happy instead because Pinas was mentioned by their idol as the Second Front on the War Against Terror.
Para sa mga hybrids na ito, that was an honor!
Lapse again? Like the term “terrorism”, the word “lapse” is now a favorite lingo by Malacanang!
Lapses led to ambush, says Esperon
JOLO, Philippines–General Hermogenes Esperon Jr., Armed Forces of the Philippines chief of staff, said an assessment has uncovered “lapses” that led to a Thursday morning ambush by Moro rebels that left 10 government soldiers dead.
This is a rude interruption of the free-for-all raillery about the clashes in Mindanao. However, the topic of ROTC restoration could be related to cannon fodder, the fodder being naïve student youths. I won’t comment at this time, but maybe TurningPoint and Ellenville can discuss and rebut the posters that follow the article below.
http://www.philstar.com/index.php?Headlines&p=49&type=2&sec=24&aid=20070812145
Yuko,
Your posting of the lyrics is timely indeed. Thanks. Kabisado ko iyan noon. Pero ngayon ko lang naramdaman ang tunay na significance. Tagos sa puso, tagos sa laman ko. I encourage everyone to read it again, I’m sure this time your heart will bleed. These series of blog entries at Ellen’s has set the mood, especially with first-hand accounts like gokusen’s and those of the Marine widows.
Sadly, Yuko, the song’s composer, Saro, himself a lumad, died in the very same violent and senseless manner that this song cried out against. A bullet from a “kapatid” fell Saro while he was performing in a bar some years back.
Kung “lapse’ na naman ang dahilan, dapat ay lapa-pain na si Asspweron, talaga palang walang alam.
That’s it. Another group, the TPG, will just be branded by Malacañang as another destabilizer or the same old dog in another collar.
True or not, the next few days will see the local stock markets crashing as fast as you can even say, “I’m outta here”. Local bourses are getting a fierce beating lately as the jitters in Wall Street are now felt as tremors from halfway around the globe. The day it will come is in a matter of days. The situation isn’t being helped any by these fumbling assholes in gov’t who continue to shake loose whatever good fundamentals are left of the economy at the same time take credit for something they’ve not even contributed to.
If I were you, Chi, and those who are active players, I would return to cash in the meantime. Who’s stupid enough to invest in a market with an ongoing war?
And when the local stock marker crashes, Arroyo would blame it on Abu Sayyaf and all the enemies that she can think of. She has the habit of blaming everyone, everything except herself.
You can bet your sweet little ass she will.
BTW, Ellen, a voice in my head tells me this new war is Esperon’s way of overwhelming the new Secretary for his own purpose. The tail wants to wag the dog? WHat do you think?
An extra 1,000 troops have been ordered into Jolo where 5,000 are already engaged in the hunt for militants believed to members of the Abu Sayyaf and the MNLF.
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kaya 6,000 na ang military sa kapaligiran ng sulu
Earlier, President Arroyo ordered the Army chief, Gen. Romeo Tolentino, to relocate to Zamboanga. The President said the intensified operation was not “an act of vengeance but … a strategy to win the peace.”
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how the government can win peace? dinadagdagan pa nga ang gulo..baka “win to piece” the sulu archipelago?
Five Muslim rebels have also been confirmed killed but Supnet said that local residents told them that about 40 had been slain. He said the rebels removed the bodies of their comrades.
He alleged that among the rebels hiding with the MNLF forces were two wanted members of the Southeast Asian terrorist group Jemaah Islamiah, Dulmatin and Umar Patek.
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di kaya “lutaw” (multo) ang nakausap nila..gaguhin nila gusto nilang gaguhin walang sibilyan silang makakausap at di makikipagusap sa kanila..
sira ulo talaga itong si supnet…bakit yan ba sinabi ng mga kamote nyong intelligence..na kasama ni Col. Undog at Congressman Arbison?
kelan pa nakapunta si omar patek at dulmatin sa mnlf camp ibahin niyo naman ang rason nyo? kakahiya kayo..si col. undog kasi yata ang nagbitbit sa mga indonesian na yan, kaya kahit sa indonesia na siya naka-assigned eh pumapasok at nanggagapang pa sa sulu…tsk..tsk..tsk
i wonder why…col undog hunting around with his 200 men plus congressman arbison’s men…para makuha yung mga yun dahil may malaking buyer? Sino nga col. undog yung malaking buyer nyo? mahiya ka ultimo kamag-anak mo binebenta mo..para lang sa sarili mong kapakanan..
Tongue,
Cash ako ngayon, tenkyu. Pinabenta ko na ang lahat diyan. Isa lang ang long position ko, an angel stock for multiple sclerosis and alzheimers. Benta pati GOOG!
“The tail wants to wag the dog?”
Possible, mukhang sobrang niyayabangan ni Supot ang banong Secretary na hangga ngayon ay “nahihiya” pang magsalita.
Gokusen,
Who is Col. (Un)dog!
chi,
He was assigned as Intelligence Chief (MIG9) in Sulu, but transferred and assigned now in Indonesia…he has nothing to do with Sulu but he was the one who leads his men hunting for the indonesian omar patek , dulmatin..and others..dulmatin rewards is $10M and Patek is $4M and so as the rest range to $1M
TT:
My brother-in-law sent the song to me and when I listened to it, and think seriously well of the meaning of each word in the lyrics, tagaktak ang luha ko.
Naalala ko iyong mga displaced na mga batang Moslems sa Baguio na ngayon ay victims ng child slavery because of these civil wars being encouraged by the crooks themselves for their own survival and the money from good ole USA, and even maybe Japan, Australia and you bet, even South Korea in exchange for the ready guinea pigs and the battleground where they can practice their war games!!! Grrrrrrrrrr!!!
Gokusen,
Thanks. Sus, millions of dollars pala ang pinag-uusapan dito. Whew! No wonder kung bakit kailangan nila ang gerang ito!
Chi,
As far as the Americans are concerned, wala naman silang secret tungkol sa pagbibigay ng pera sa Philippine government in exchange for the free guinea pigs and battleground.
Kahit nga mga hapon alam ang mga deals na iyan gawa ng ang mga nagpa-practice sa Mindanao ay galing sa Japan lalo na sa US bases sa Okinawa na sa totoo lang ay balak nang bawasan kung maitayo ang US base sa Mindanao. Ngitngit na ngitngit nga ako kapag nababasa ko e.
Lets not fool ourselves anymore. Other countries adviced us not to go into any war anymore. They know we dont have a chance at all. We were never in the offensive. The enemies are. The generals are trying hard to fill their quota of cadaver bags. With the kind of hotheads we have, its better to capitulate now to stop senseless killings. I believe that small kid I asked at Jolo pier why they dont stop the war and he said, they will stop as soon as the army surrender. Our soldiers are trained for urban warfare against unarmed foes. Not against afghan vets. When did we ever win a war or skirmish in the south? Perhaps its high time to transfer the AFP HQs, the Navy, the Army and the Airforce in Sitangkai or nearby it so they can be always on warfooting. And transfer Malacanan there also. That will stop the protests here.
Chi,
Kahit na anong sipsip ang gawin ni Unano doon sa loko-loko sa White House, no pansin ang ungas. Hindi nga makumbida sa rancho ni Bush sa Texas e.
Tawa ko nga when she tried hard to meet with Bush kahit na parang gate crasher siya e—iyan ang hilig ng ungas para masabing may ginagawa siya kapag gusto lang niyang magpasyal at mangutang. One time, inunahan pa nga ng pakikipagkita kay Bush kesa doon sa kumbidadong hapon na PM.
Medyo naawa nga ako kay Unano nang marinig ko sa kaibigan kong periodistang hapon na parang tiniyak ng mga kano na nakaalis na ng Washington DC si unano bago isinama ni Bush si Koizumi sa Texas kasi nga naman baka sumama pa ang pandak na ungas gaya ng ginawa niya noong kinumbida si Mahatir at sumabit si unano tapos siya ang yabang ng yabang sa mga meeting sa mga hapon e gate-crasher lang naman siya. Ganyan ang gawain ng ungas!
gokusen says:
“kaya 6,000 na ang military sa kapaligiran ng sulu”
reply: let’s say the total number of ASG is around 200 (roughly) or even less than that because according to earlier reports, the estimated number of ASG is only about 200 plus, so the ratio now becomes 1:30 (1 ASG as against 30 soldiers) whew ! unbelievable !!!
esperon, can you imagine this? don’t tell my computation is wrong ! ” shame idiot general “.
We Will Never Learn
History repeats itself, if we search Google for ‘America Communism’ & ‘German Nazi’ we will find endless accounts of reasons that the Americans found as a fear factor to be used on their citizens and around the world.
They used the fear of communism for many years until the end of the cold war which came about from its own Russian collapse, the people in the East Berlin side of the wall realized that their Leaders were residing in nice villas with estates wined and dined on the good life whilst the poor were becoming poorer (that’s close to home!) so the people tore down the Berlin Wall the rest is history.
The American fear factor tranfered to two buzz words ‘Terrorism’ & ‘Destabiliser”
The American government never being one to empty their bowel in their own back yard by hunting down American bred terrorist ended up in Iraq and hunting terrorist there in doing so dumping their crap in the Iraq back yard. The more American military they place to fight the terrorist in Iraq all the more extra terrorist take their place and thwart the American military. Most Americans are realizing that this is a war that they cannot win.
True to form the Philippine government having supported the American hunt for communist, as a way of receiving funding from them. Being slow off the mark the Philippine government realized that transferring their support to Americans to hunt down terrorist the funding from them will continue. Dollars will flow to supporters of Americans.
The problem was that unlike the Americans not craping in their own back yard the Philippine all out war would mean craping in their own back yard with Filipino fighting Filipino for the sake of receiving American funding.
The group mainly responsible for the problem created in Mindanao is Arroyo, Gonzoles, Ermita, Esperon and the Garci generals, all known to tell Lies to the public, big time. Esperon has admitted that he can name the Leaders of the terrorist but he does not know who their followers are. He admits to losing large numbers of soldiers. There is no time frame given for this all out war which will effect everybody residing on Mindanao, the second largest Island and effect beyond, including investors. There is no check or balance to these actions by Congress whilst the Congress men & women too busy looking towards the 2010 Presidency race when there is every possibility there won’t be a presidency worth governing by 2010, the military will have made the country truly bankrupt.
Congress must start to realize that history tells us that we cannot win hearts & minds this way – its time to stop the stupidity of this groups actions and orders to our troops to kill Filipino’s on Philippine soil.
History is there to view or We Will Never Learn
how will i start saying this…ah i’m so frustrated in the senate … sa kabila ng gulo sa mindanao…nagkakagulo din sila di dahil tungkol sa militar, sa gulo sa mindanao..kundi sa kani-kanilang seating arrangement…hay!
i’ve called up my relatives in sulu…and they told me that if the govt or military will not stop hitting mnlf…it will not only be a war in mindanao but all over the philippines…
the death of MNLF Commander Habbi Jeili ang apoy na kakalat sa lahat ng miyembro ng bangsamoro at pagsisihan ng gobyerno at ng kanyang mga general ang ginawa nila…….
gokusen,
yan ang nakakatakot ngayon na banta ng mga suppoters ni jeili. sana wag nmn mangyari na magkaroon na ng civil war.
sabi ni joker arroyo, military matter daw ang gyera kaya wala ng pakialam ang kongreso. isa ring walang puso yon.
puro pansariling kapakanan nalang ba ang alam na gawin at asikasuhin ng nakararami sa kongreso at senado?
Valdemar,
I like what you said “transfer Malacanang in or near Sitangkai”. Tingnan natin ang katrapuhan at kakorapan ni Gloria kung nuubra duon!
Pwede ba na near Sitangkai na lang. The place is very special to me, heheh!
Gokusen,
I forgot to ask you, magulo rin ba at maraming AS sa Sitangkai ngayon?
Ak-47,
Sabi iyan ni diaper Senator joker?! *&^%$#@ s’ya sana ay tamaan ng ligaw na bala, hindi iyong mga bata at sibilyan duon.
Gokusen,
Kapag nasali sa gera ang buong Pinas, iyang mga senadores at tongressmen ay mauunahang maglikasan puntang abroad, hindi na sila makakapag-seating arrangement!
AK47,
dismayado nga ako eh, akala ko start na ng laban di pa pala…playing safe pa rin yung mga nandun…kahit sila di nila alam ang difference ng mnlf at milf..hay..siguro i need to make a chart and isa-isa kong explain sa kanila kasi tinutukan nila kanina para silang mga bata seating arrangement…isipin mo yun!
Chi,
yup mejo…kasi alam mo pag mnlf sugod talaga yan, ang milf mejo may konting daga pa sa dibdib eh…takot ang abu sa mnlf kung labanan din ang pag-uusapan…pero maalarma ang gobyerno kasi ang pinatay nila si Chairman Jeili..at di yun lost command at mbg legitimong matandang mnlf yun, mag-40yrs na ang mnlf at isa siya sa mga unang miyembro at nirerespetong kumander ng mnlf..
“sabi ni joker arroyo, military matter daw ang gyera kaya wala ng pakialam ang kongreso.”
eeennng?
joker, tumatanda ka, nagiging tanga!
ano’ng military natter ang sinasabi mo? walang giyera na sasalihan ang mga kawal kung hindi papayagan ng kongreso, ulol!
siguro nga, sa inyong mga hunghang na kaalyadong subsob sa puwet ni gloria, ganyan ang katwiran ninyo dahil ayaw ninyong mababaling ang pansin habang nagbibilang at nagkukuwenta kayo ng kinawat na salapi buhat sa pork barrel at mga suhol.
hayup ka! @#$%#&$%#^&!!!
AK47 n Chi
tanungin ko lang kayo ha? does it make sense producing pics of the real abductor of father bossi and asking him if they are those guys who got him in his place? Tapos pag may picture na dun palang mag-start? Eh pano kung umalis na yung mga yun sa place at walang picture nila wlang pagsisimulan?
For me, meron o wala, di na yun ang tanong kung sila nga ang totoo o hindi..,my issue is yung drama na yun was started to have war in mindanao..parang ewan…
sasabihin pa ba na kayong dalawa kayo na nasa pictures na talagang kumuha kay father bossi, sa inyo nagmula lahat ang gulo…dapat patunayan talaga ni bossi na kayo ang unang kumuha sa kanya? Na dahil sa inyong dalawa kaya napugutan ng ulo ang mga militar, na dahil sa inyong dalawa kaya nagdagdag ng militar sa sulu…ano ba yan…!
yung iniintay kong sabihin sa akin is…kailangan mapaikita natin na may sabwatan talaga ang gobyerno at militar…bakit sa kabila na alam na nasa sibugay si bossi eh pinipilit na nasa Basilan..ano ang relevance ng basilan sa isyu ng mnlf…bakit mnlf ang puntirya…kahit pa siguro walang kainan at tulugan sasabihin ko lahat kaso we will start once there is pic and that pic will be presented to bossi..coz if there is no pic gang salitaan pa rin lang yun…nagkakagulo na nga salitaan pa rin ba yun…marami na ngang namatay na sundalo at civilian..pinugutan ng ulo..salitaan pa rin ba yun…hay…!
It would be prudent for now for active players in the market not to invest in a country that is at war, most especially when the war is at home – like in the case of the Philippines – the war is in its home turf (ie, Mindanao). What if the war excalates to other areas ? As we can already see, the stock market is getting jittery. Convert or hang on to cash for the time being.
Gokusen,
I agree with you, this Bossi episode was just to start a war of their own making for their own selfish interests.
Chi,
kaya nga blog na lang ako ng blog kasi sa senado it will take time pa para malaman ng tao..eh tulad niyan papano pa hahanapin ang mga kamote na yun eh wala na sa sibugay, tapos si father bossi umalis na nung saturday pumutang italy at mag stay dun ng kung ilang buwan..eh ang tanong bumalik pa kaya yun dito..bumalik man..useless din dahil baka nagdeklara na ng self-independence ang mga muslim..
Kung hanggang saan ang kanilang laro sa gerang ito ay sila lang ang nakakaalam at magpapatuloy kasi gaya nga ng sinabi mo ay nagsi-seating arrangements pa sa senado, while basahan JdV and tongress concentrates on “amnesty me”! Wala, tameme rin ang CBCP, what’s happening? Iniwan na nila lahat ang Mindanao sa mga kuko ni Gloria, Asspweron and minions!
It’s too frustrating, parang walang nag-iingay maliban sa Ellenville at Tribune, Malaya and sister publications.
Gokusen,
E hindi naman hinahanap ni Asspweron ang mga “kamote” na ‘yun, kasi kung talagang hinahanap ay nahanap na agad dahil alam nila kung nasaan sila, at wala sanang napugutan ng ulo, di ba?
Kilalang kilala din pala ang MNLF http://209.232.239.37/gtd1/sresults.aspx
So far, in Ellen’s blog I can safely assume that we are unanimous in saying that this war was instigated by Esperon and Gloria.
We have concluded and established the following:
1. That the Bossi kidnapping was upstaged with the knowledge or consent of gov’t people. Two purposes: SONA and war.
2. That in spite of being known widely that Bossi was in Zamboanga Sibugay, Military Generals insisted on looking in Basilam, “fishing” for an encounter with MILF or possibly Abu Sayyaf using live Marines as decoys, later, headless Marines.
3. That a Muslim teacher was seized by soldiers, tortured and killed knowing fully well that his followers are sure to retaliate.
4. That even soldiers are being misled by their officers that they are on the offensive in Basilan against Abu Sayyaf when it’s the MNLF territory that is the war theater.
5. That the military and also the civilian leadership do not distinguish who is MILF, MNLF, or Abu Sayyaf, in fact Esperon is considering MNLF a friend. So with the MILF. Those who don’t act as he wants them to are considered lost command, breakaway or double breakaway. Simply said, they don’t really know who their enemy is.
6. That the US State Dept., Congress, and White House are in a quandary whether to augment, cut, or suspend its military aid to the Philippines. Conflicting reports are coming out of the press regarding the matter which only means there isn’t a definite US policy yet, even the embassy cannot make up its mind.
7. That the governments of Canada, Japan, and the lending institutions have warned of a pullout in the event of an all-out war. The kleptocrats in GHQ and Malacañang are bothered by such statements that it has to project a beleaguered image and that it has to
protect itself from the ensuing aggression in order to keep the war going.
8. That the easy way out would be to convene the tripartite conference – GRP + MILF/MNLF + OIC – and talk serious. Instead government “baits” the enemy, pushes them against the wall, and send massive troops to the Basilan and Sulu theaters.
9. That the affected civilians, who number a hundred times more than the warring troops, are of no concern by the military heirarchy and simply dismissed as sympathizers, therefore, dispensible as collateral damage.
10. That the stupid war mongers in government actually believe they can achieve peace by going to war! Peace is nowhere in sight as it has been for almost half a century. By the looks of it, war is here to stay.
Ano po ba yung number 8.(easy way out) isusuko nalang ba yung teritory ng MILF/MNLF sa kanila? Yun ba ipinaglalaban nila?
takusa,
di ang ibig sabihin nun sinusuko yung territory ng milf/mnlf
gusto lang na maibalik yung tinatawag na self-independence…at maayos na yung bangsamoro policy na dapat nun pang 1996 natapos kaso nga laging napo-postponed dahil na rin sa kahahadlang ng gobyerno…
Takusa,
Ilang araw na dinidiskusyon dito yan. Kailangan mo sigurong magbasa ng mabuti at matagal-tagal para maintindihan mo rin. Gaya ko, ngayon lang ako namulat sa mga katotohanang nagaganap sa Mindanao. Salamat kay Gokusen, dati ay iisa ang pinagkukunan ng impormasyon, sa propaganda ng gobyerno. Ngayon, marami akong natutunan dito sa blog.
Hindi isusuko ang teritoryo. Self-determination ang kailangan dahil sa loob ng mahabang panahong pinabayaan ng gobyerno ang Mindanao, wala nang tiwala ang mga kapatid nating may mabuti pang magagawa ang ibang tao para sa kanila. Sila-sila ang gustong bumuo ng sariling kinabukasan. Kailangan lang suportahan ng gobyerno at taongbayan upang masigurong sa matuwid at maayos na daan sila tutungo.
Iyan ang dapat pagsimulan ng usapan sa tripartite, ano ba ang balak ng bangsamoro para sa sariling mamamayan? Kung dapat pagbigyan, ibigay. Kung hindi, huwag. Pero pag-usapan ng matino.
Anong magiging katapusan kung lagi na lang ratratan? Meron na bang na-achieve sa giyera sa Mindanao? Kung kasama doon ang pagbibigay ng kampo militar para sa mga dating rebelde, bakit hindi? Tutal, sa ayaw at gusto natin, kailangan pa rin ng militar at pulis doon. Kahit papaano, sa konti nilang pondo ay nakakapag-armas sila, nagbabantay, nagaayos.
Dito sa lugar ng mga Kristiyano, maraming pondo, pero kulang ang pulis at sundalo, dahil kinukupit! Mas matino pa yatang humawak ng pera ang mga Muslim, a.
Kailangan pa rin nila ang tulong natin. Kung hindi ay apektado rin tayo, kahit nandito tayo sa malayo, diba? Ang tiwalang matagal nang nawala ang dahilan upang hindi nila mabitiwan ang kanilang mga armas, ang mga taong inasikaso lamang ng gobyerno ay yung mga kurap din kaya walang nangyari sa mahabang panahon.
Napakasama ng kulturang ipinamana natin sa mga kabataang Muslim, gaya ng ginawa rin sa ibang bansa. Pero hindi kailangang diktahan tayo ng isang gunggong na George Bush upang isubo natin ang susunod pang mga henerasyon sa walang katapusang patayan.
Sabi nga ni Mrivera, “Meron bang nananalo sa giyera?”
Sa akin lang, ano kaya kung pagbigyan natin ang ARMM na tumayong mag-isa? Baka dumating ang isang araw mas mayaman pa sila sa Maynila dahil maraming yaman ang lugar na iyan. Baka tayo pa ang matuto sa kanila.
Hindi lang ako makakapayag na ihiwalay sila bilang independenteng bansa. Libong-taong giyera iyan, gaya ng sa Israel-Palestine!
tongue, kasi parang walang pinagkaiba sa gera ng mga ibang muslim sa ibang lugar. Andaming grupo, andyan ang MNLF na dati gusto independence pero ngayon ok lang autonomy. Pero andyan naman ang MILF na parang may sarili ding agenda. Meron pang Abu sayaf na kino-condem daw ng dalawang grupo pero parang pareho din ang layunin. Para sa akin siguro kung gusto parin nilang humiwalay, hiwalayan nalang siguro ang mas mainam na solution.
TT,
Hindi dapat mawala ang Mindanao, kahit Sulu o Basilan, sa Republika ng Pilipinas. Gutom ang aabutin ng Pilipinas gaya na rin ng nangyayari ngayon na dahil sa walang production ang Mindanao ngayon gawa ng mga guerra-guerra ni Esperon, Reyes, et al na mga alipores ni Boba, walang produkto ang administrasyon niya. Kaya iyon, tao ang ibinebenta sa ibang bansa. Buti kung cheap labor lang, kahit saan ngayon alam na mura ang bentahan ng human organ sa Pilipinas.
Duda ko doon sa ipinapadalang mga medic daw ng AFP sa mga depressed areas ay para alamin kung sino ang magagamit ni Boba na mga guinea pigs para sa human organ export niya. Baka iyan din ang layunin ng pugutan ng ulo sa labanan. Huwag masira ang mga human organs para maibenta! Ewwww! Grotesque! Parang horror movies and labas!
ngayon nga parang naka-kaduda ang MILF na nakikipag coordinate na tumabi sa military operation, para bang nagtu-turo na ” hindi kami tumutulong dyan sa ASG yan kabilang grupo tanungin nyo baka sila “
Thanks, Tongue. You made it easier to understand. 10 checks to your enumeration.
# TonGuE-tWisTeD Says:
August 14th, 2007 at 12:51 am
Sa akin lang, ano kaya kung pagbigyan natin ang ARMM na tumayong mag-isa? Baka dumating ang isang araw mas mayaman pa sila sa Maynila dahil maraming yaman ang lugar na iyan. Baka tayo pa ang matuto sa kanila.
Hindi lang ako makakapayag na ihiwalay sila bilang independenteng bansa. Libong-taong giyera iyan, gaya ng sa Israel-Palestine!
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Oks na oks sa akin ‘yan, Tongue.
Ang reading ko naman ay hindi sila humihingi ng independent nation kundi iyon lang maging self-independent sa kani-kanilang mga kinagisnang lugar.
Why not give them the best of chance, they deserve it!
TT siad: “So far, in Ellen’s blog I can safely assume that we are unanimous in saying that this war was instigated by Esperon and Gloria.”
Your summary of events leading up to the problem is very much appreciated. I’m sure you will have noticed that not one of the usual visitors arguing differently to Ellensville users have been brave enough to comment – smile.
Takusa, kung naguguluhan ka sa MILF, MNLF, Abu Sayyaf, mismong si Esperon nga naguguluhan, e. Basahin mo sa No. 5 sa listahan ko. Kahit nga si Ellen, ang sabi “MILF pag Lunes, MNLF pag Martes, ASG pag Miyerkules, etc.”
Lahat tayo naguguluhan dahil iyan ang propaganda ng gobyernong alam natin. Kung babasahin mong lahat ang isinulat ng researcher na Muslim dito, si Gokusen, malilinawan mo rin kung alin-aling bayan ang sa MI o sa MN o sa ASG. Makikilala mo rin kung sino ang grupong involved depende kung sino ang namumuno sa grupo. Madalas kasi ang istorya sa diyaryo, galing din sa AFP. Pag hindi nakilala ng mga sundalo ang kalaban, sasabihin na lang MILF lost command o Misuari Renegade Group, o ex-MNLF, ASG, etc.
Dahil takot silang pasukin ang mga bario para imbestigahan ng husto, kaya naman ang balita sa diyaryo, pilipit. Isipin mo na lang ang uri ng intelligence reports na nasa-submit sa mga opisyal gayung hindi naman naimbestigahan ng mabuti, e di palpak din!
Hindi dapat pagdudahan kung sumasama ang MI sa military sa ibang pagkakataon. Ikinatutuwa ko pa nga dahil ibig sabihin niyan, gumagana yung confidence building measures na isinasagawa tuwing bago mag-usap ng kapayapaan. Pag walang confidence sa isa’t-isa, walang kahihinatnan ang usapan, paranoia o kapraningan lang ang idudulot niyon.
Kaya maraming nagulat nung naambush ang mga Marines at may mga napugutan dahil ang alam natin dito, pirmahan na lang at ayos na. Pinaplantsa na lang ang ibang gusot. Anong nangyari? E, di nabura nang lahat ng tiwala dahil na rin sa kagaguhan (o talagang plano?) ng mga heneral na mag-giyera-giyerahan dahil galit na ang mga Marines na napatay sa paghahanap kay Bossi sa lugar na alam naman nilang wala roon.
Sa tagal nang nakikipaglaban ang gobyerno sa mga rebeldeng Muslim, hanggang ngayon walang malinaw na direksiyon ang mga namumuno, simula kay Marcos hanggangkay Pandak. Lagi na lang nasasantabi ang kapayapaan tuwing may uutot sa Muslim area. Meron nang Tripoli Agreement panahon pa ni Makoy, pero hanggang ngayon, hindi naman tinutupad, anong aasahan nating reaksyon galing sa mga Muslim na dapat ay nakikinabang na sa kapayapaan noon pang ’70s?
Kaya kahit dito sa Metro Manila, kalat na ang mga Muslim na nangangalakal ng mga DVDs, smuggled anik-anik, sapatos, beads. Hanggang kalsada, may mga badjao na nanlilimos dala ang mga sanggol nila.
Ang giyera ay maliit na bahagi lang ng mga elemento upang maiayos natin ang Mindanao bago man lang tayo mawala sa lupa. Nasa makataong pakikipag-usap at respeto ang tanging paraan upang umunlad, hindi lang ang Mindanao, siyempre pati na tayo dito.
Napansin mo rin pala, wwnl. These lurkers probably got lost in the long discussions in recent threads they know they are at a disadvantage should they decide to argue with us. We assimilated massive info in the last few days it would be foolish for them to debate our points now. They will end up in the kangkungan. Heheh. [smile back]
Press Release
Office of Cong. Yusop Jikiri
congjikiri@yahoo.com
QUEZON CITY – “MNLF is very much alive in Basilan.”
This is what Congressman Yusop Jikiri of the 1st District of Sulu manifested before the House of Representatives in response to Basilan Representative Wahab Akbar’s statement that the MNLF no longer exists in his constituent area.
“In fact, I am here representing not only the 1st District of Sulu but also the Moro National Liberation Front because I am the Chief of Staff of the Bangsamoro Armed Forces,” Congressman Jikiri further stated.
Among the MNLF leaders who came from Basilan are Hatimil Hassan, Vice-Chairman of the MNLF Council of 15; Jan Jakilan, Commander of the Second Mobile Army; and Hamid Salahuddin, Provincial Chairman.
On the question of ideological differences between and among revolutionary groups, Cong. Jikiri clarified that the MNLF is the mainstream organization of the Bangsamoro movement. Led by Ustadz Hashim Salamat, Moro Islamic Liberation Front broke away from MNLF in 1976 upon the signing of Tripoli Agreement. Both groups, he said, share the same aspiration of being recognized and respected according to their “own culture and governance.” “The Abu Sayyaf Group, organized by Ustadz Abdurajak Janjalani, has a different ideology,” he added.
Congressman Jikiri acknowledges the importance of such clarification because the chamber is highly instrumental in finding solution to peace and order issues in Mindanao
guys, fyi…don’t be mislead by jikiri..before he was the Chief of Staff of bangsamoro which is mnlf , he belongs to the council of 15 , this council of 15 was created again in time of gma. Dr. Parouk, Hassan, Jikiri, Datumanong, are members of the 15 council, which the mnlf doesn’t acknowledge still part of the leadership.For the mnlf they are traitors and they are removed as their leaders.
tapos ngayon ginaya niya si wahab magsalita sa kongresso, pero good point sinabi niya na marami at buhay pa rin ang mnlf, kaya nga sinasakyan nila ang issue. Tamo, tong gobyerno na ito, si nur misuari ang kausapin nyo at wag nyong lokohin ang taong bayan at gamitin ang council of 15 di sila kinikilala ng mnlf na part pa ng organisasyon. Lalo niyong pinagugulo ang utak ng taong bayan, eh di na nga maintindihan ang mnlf at milf…tapos out of the blue lilitaw itong sina jikiri para magsalita in behalf of mnlf na di na kinikilala ng buong organisasyon.
Press Release
Office of Cong. Yusop Jikiri
congjikiri@yahoo.com
QUEZON CITY – The Special Committee on Peace, Unity and Reconciliation of the 14th Congress elects Congressman Yusop Jikiri of the 1st District of Sulu as its new Chairman.
Created in 2004, the Peace Committee has 26 regular members. It conducts inquiries on the implementation of the 1996 GRP-MNLF Final Peace Agreement as well as the ongoing GRP and MILF, and GRP and CPP-NDF peace negotiations. As a result of its previous briefings, the committee has provided recommendations on the prevailing issues as bases of further policies.
One of the pressing concerns that emerged is the ‘immediate and serious review of the implementation of the 1996 GRP-MNLF Final Peace Agreement.’ Congressman Jikiri is a prominent member of the MNLF and his association to which is a positive note on the matter. He is the Chief of Staff of the MNLF’s Bangsamoro Armed Forces.
The committee also recommended the ‘establishment of a provincial branch of Commission on Human Rights in Sulu’. With the sporadic clashes between the AFP and the armed groups, the documentation of human rights issues is an urgent need of the local government. Solid facts are indispensable upon crafting public policies responding to peace and order problems.
Peace and development are among the major thrusts of Cong. Jikiri’s leadership.
House of Representatives Speaker Jose De Venecia congratulated Cong. Jikiri on his election. “Mr. Chairman we believe in your expertise in the peace process issue.” Declared Speaker De Venecia, Executive Secretary Eduardo Ermita and Sec. Norberto Gonzales were elated with Jikiri’s election. Ermita lauded the choice as “perfect.”
kita nyo ginagawa kaming gago at tanga, bakit di nila i-congratulate eh tao nila si jikiri…
Mr. Chairman we believe in your expertise in the peace process issue.” Declared Speaker De Venecia, Executive Secretary Eduardo Ermita and Sec. Norberto Gonzales were elated with Jikiri’s election. Ermita lauded the choice as “perfect.”
as long they are building walls in-between wala talagang patutunguhan,bakit di bridge ang ilagay nila at mag-meet sa gitna para magkaintindihan.bakit ka gagamit ng tao para sa peace peace ek ek mo na alam mo di kinikilala ng pagkakasunduing grupo…bakit di hayaan ang oic ang makialam ..ituloy ang tripartite tapos ang gulo, katahimikan
the real Bangsamoro Chief of Staff is Jul Ambri Misuari, nephew of Nur, so jikiri stop pretending you are still the chief of staff…nang ginawa nyo ang council of 15 dun pa lang alam mo na di na kayo kasama at kinikilala ng mga kasamahan nyo sa organization dahil “tuta” rin kayo ng administration para sirain ang mnlf..
stop saying the real mnlf are mbg…oic will never deal with any break away group you know that..simple lang sa may utak eh..kung kayo talaga lehitimong liderato na kinikilalaa ng oic bakit di matuluy-tuloy ang tripartite agreement at ang iniintay nila eh si nur misuari? Kayo na halos ipagdutdutan na ang mga sarili hindi pinakikingan at ayaw kayong kausapin? at nagsisiksik kayo at nagpapagamit sa gobyerno?
Thanks for the clarification, Gokusen.
Hmmmnn, Crystal clear, Gokusen.
Nagugulo lalo dahil sa daming gustong pumapel na wala namang mga K.
gokusen,
buhay pa pala ‘yang si yusop jikiri? at naging tongresman na pala at kaalyado ng mga walanghiya’t ganid!
mauulung ako tuud ha kataymanghuran taosug ta yaun.
‘yang si jikiri ay nakikipagsabwatan sa mga gahaman at walang kaluluwang kawatang kakampi ng hayup na namamahay sa malakanyang!
ang MILF ang humihingi ng independent mindanao state. ‘yan ang agenda ni salamat. upang siya ang kilalaning pinuno. subalit litaw ang kanyang pansariling interes.
GMA OKs return of ‘ancestral’ lands to MILF
By Sherwin C. Olaes
08/14/2007
President Arroyo has publicly declared her intention and approval to grant the secessionist Moro Islamic Liberation Front its most contentious demand in the Government of the Philippines (GRP) and the MILF peace talks, which is the government’s return to the Bangsa Moro people the control over their claimed “ancestral domain.”
The President yesterday announced this in her speech during the 16th anniversary of the Federation of Philippine Industries at the Hotel Intercontinental in Makati City, saying she does not understand why the public fears a proposed Muslim ancestral domain regime for the MILF in Mindanao.
http://www.tribune.net.ph/headlines/20070814hed1.html
delikado ito. hindi tama at agrabyado ang MNLF na siyang unang nakipaglaban upang magkamit ng pagkilala mula sa pambansang pamunuan.
gagamitin ang MILF upang supilin ang orihinal na bangsa moro leadersip.
lalong malaking gulo ito.
bigyang pansin ang mga tinuran ni erap sa artikulong nasa itaas.
maliwanag na desperado na si gloria at gusto niyang paglabanlabanin ang mga kapatid nating muslim.
huh? ibibigay ang ancestral land sa milf? eh talagang inulalo na utak ng mga kamote..ang milf nagsimula dun sa mainland mindanao at di sa sulu, basilan, at tawi-tawi..ang mainland mindanao part ng pilipinas eh di lalong nagkagulo dun pati mga christian dahil mas marami sa mainland mindanao ang christian…magreview nga siya kung sino ang accredited ng oic na nangangatawan sa bangsamoro eh mnlf di milf…
mrivera, sabihin nga jan sa reyna ng malakanyang, kita na lang kami manu-mano dun sa gitna ng basilan at sulu maghintay kami pareho ng bomba ng mortar kung sino umalis sa kinatatayuan duwag..!
Mrivera,
pero ha..hmmmm mejo kalmante na pakiramdam ko kasi naka-first step na ako..matutuwa na ang mga tausug niyan….
talaga hawak ng malaysia yang anjan sa malakanyang kaya kung ano dikta sinusunod niya, takot makipag-usap sa oic..alam mo kung bakit yung binigay na tulong ng oic sa pinas kung ilang bilyong dolyares eh kung magkano lang ang napunta nung time na governor ng armm si nur…ayaw nilang makaharap ang oic at si nur dahil itatanong sa kanila saan nyo dinala ang pera mula sa oic…eh di nabuking….
yun namang isang kamoteng balimbing at hudas sa tunay na nakikilagpaban na armm governor ngayon si ampatuan..ayun kasama-sama ni chavit sa pagsusugal sa las vegas…..kaya ayaw nilang payagan makalabas si nur at makausap ng oic kasi wala tatadtarin sila ng tanong ng oic at ayaw nilang makapasok ang mnlf sa accreditation ng united nations sa pamamagitan ng oic..
gokusen,
salamat sa mga paliwanag mo, ikaw ang nakikitang kong ilaw ngayon ng lahat na nangyayari. walang kaduda-duda na ang pagkidnap kay fr. bossi ay isang drama at strategy lamang para sa katapuran ng lahat na plano at kasakiman ng pera ni gloria.
dun sa tripartite gusto lang i-review ang bangsamoro policy pero yung ibigay ang lupa malabo lalo na mainland, fyi yung sinasabi ibalik ang para sa sultanate of sulu na di naman talaga part ng philippines para mag-self determination….di guera kundi development, binigyan nga ng pang-develope kinupit naman ng gobyerno , imbis na ibigay sa armm ang ginawa sa ilalim ng “arm” nila nilagay..ngayon para wag mabuking solusyon nyo “gulo/gera”
gokusen,
lalo sigurong mas maganda kung si fr. bossi mismo ang makunan ng pahayag thru our local and foreign media, para sya mismo ang magsabi ng katutuhanan, maliban lang kung na briefing na sya ni gloria at esperon at nanumpa narin sya (fr. bossi) na hinde na magsasalita, wala ring saysay!
hindi kinikilala ng administrasyon ni erap ang MILF dahil gusto nilang ihiwalay ang mindanao sa pilipinas at ito ay labag sa ating saligang batas.
ang nais noon ni erap ay matapos na ang kaguluhang ang MILF ang nagpapalalakaya nga ipinatugis at ipinasakop sa hukbong sandatahan ang mga kuta nito partikular ang camp abubakr at mga satellite camps at upang masimulan ang tunay na pagpapaunlad ng mindanao.
pumapel nga lamang itong sina ramos at inilagay sa puwesto ang lamanlupang si gloria makagarapal arroyo.
kaya eto ngayon tayo!
“ang nais noon ni erap ay matapos na ang kaguluhang ang MILF ang nagpapalala kaya nga ipinatugis at ipinasakop sa hukbong sandatahan ….”
Ak47,
huhuhu….wala na kaya si father bossi dito, umuwi na ng italy..pero alam ko dismayado sila (italy) di pa nga alam kung babalik o di na..o kung bumalik man kelan….tatahimik na yun pero maliwanag naman sa kanila na di siya dinala sa basilan..kundi sa kabundukan ng karumatan, teka natandaan ko na kung anong lugar yun..pitikil, karumatan, lanao del sur..nakita ng mga katutubong samal
Mrivera,
tinutuklas ko pa nga kung bakit nang dumating ang mga indonesian dito na sinasabi nila dun sa milf nag-stay at dun nagturo ng paggawa ng bomba pero base sa mga information na nahalungkat ko, mahirap pasukin daw ang milf camp at di basta-basta nakakapasok .. ano ang nagyari sa loob ng kampo nila na nagtulak na lumabas ang mga indonesian at napunta kina hapilon ang mga kamote…sino ang middlemen na tumayo sa kanila.
kung ibabalik ko ang “wisyo” ko, di makakapunta ang mga yun kung walang koneksyon sa milf na malaking leader nila, bakit kamo? ang milf sa mainland mindanao na nainvolve sa mga kung anu-anong “fake” tulad ng dollars, treasury notes , treasure hunting mas sila ang nakipag-deal sa mga taga ibang bansa na konektado pa rin sa mga matataas na opisyales ng afp, paikut-ikutin ko man..iisa pa rin ang tumbok..may koneksyon sa govt pa rin ang middlemen sa pagitan ng mga indonesian at milf..saan kasi kukuha ng dagdag na pondo ang milf na binibigay na allowance sa mga kasamahan at miembro ng milf?
gokusen,
oo alam ko na umuwi na si fr. bossi, palagay ko babalik nalang yon pag wala na si gloria. pero siguro naman magkukwento din yon sa tutuong nangyari, baka nga ngayon sinimulan na nyang isulat ang kwento nya.
AK47,
may plano siyang dumalaw sa papa..baka dun ikuwento niya ang lahat…hari nawa!
gokusen,
nu’ng panahon ni ramos, ang perang galing sa OIC na intended para sa ARMM ay hindi nahawakan ni maas. sa pondong ito sana kukunin ang rehabilitasyon ng masjid sa chinese pier na matapos gibain ay hindi na naitayong muli dahil nga walang pondong ibinigay si ramos.
Mrivera,
now..see…sino ang pinaka”brain” at producer ng drama? eh di si fvr umiikot lahat sa panahon niya ang mga panimulang sequence ng drama…nag post production sa panahon ni pres. erap…now showing…in gma’s era…
gokusen,
ang mahirap nyan kapag kay santo papa magkwento si fr. bosi ay baka magkaroon na naman ng “hello papa”! alam mo naman ang kamandag ni gloria!
gokusen,
‘yan na nga at naglalabasan na ang mga tunay na hudas na dapat ibitin nang patiwarik sa langgaman. buhusan muna ng tinunaw na asukal ang mga mukha para lalong matakam ang langgam!
Sige, magkwentuhan pa kayo at nagbabasa ako na parang thesis ang binabasa. thanks, guys.
Walanghiya talaga itong si Gloria, hi hindi alam ang lumalabas sa mabahong bibig!
gokusen,
Ang hindi ko pa maisip ay kung bakit sinimulan ni Ramos ang ikutan ng dramang ito. Kung anuman pala ang pinu-project ni Ramos nuon na mabuting presidente ay kademonyuhan ang isa pang sarili. Ramos is Jekyllandhyde personality while Gloria is a multi schizo!
chi,
kita mo naman at nagbi-bingi-bingihan…wala kang marinig kahit anas…kasi baka nga naman pag may makapansin eh masilip siyang nagtatago kita ulo…si tita cory naman ano expect natin jan eh, ina ng kusina pero kung gma at tita cory may konting puso naman siya dilaw nga lang ang kulay…
Mrivera,
tawa nga ako eh, kasi yung camp ng militar sa patikul, ilang linggo na rin yun inalisan ng mga army siguro alam na nila ang mangyayari…ayun sabi sinunog daw ng abu…hay…abu nga kaya ang sumunog, eh lalong di mnlf kasi sabi nga nila walang mnlf sa patikul…ewan ko ba mga gagawa lang ng rason eh nahuhuli din sila.wala palang mnlf sa patikul eh bakit sinasabi nilang abu at mbg nagsama..ano ba talaga? jack n poy hali-hali hoy sinong matalo siyang unggoy!
Chi,
bakit sinimulan ni ramos ang ikutan ng drama, simple lang kasi vested interest niya…kaya nga umigting ang sabah issue kasi parang may agreement na sila ng malaysian government nun, kaso nga lang kailangan magkapirmahan kaya si maas (nur) pinapasok sa bitag…at ginisa sa sariling mantika..
gokusen, col. undug was mentioned in “Hello Garci” in connection with plan to kidnap rasmah hali.
Ms Ellen,
yup! at isa siya sa mga nanggagapang! yung brother niya ngayon ang “boss” ng jolo port…malakas siya sa malakanyang..kung bakit….? tanong natin kay gen. ermita!
A portion of very interesting NCO’s piece at http://www.tribune.net
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The MNLF, under the pact, is to reign over the ARMM, within the republic’s law, yet some of these territories located within the ARMM region, plus some more in Christian areas, such as Cotabato, are now to be given to MILF.
Does Gloria truly believe that the MNLF will take this sitting down, for the MNLF to be under the control of the MILF forces, especially as she is not only giving the MILF more than an arm and a leg but also marginalizing the MNLF, with which government already has a peace accord?
But she has to give the MILF what it demands, for the simple reason that her government had already signed away control of Philippine territories to the MILF in 2001 in an accord signed in Libya.
That was her reward to the MILF for helping her grab power in January 2001 through its bombing activities in 2000, to destabilize the Estrada government, in preparation for the Edsa II coup.
Soldiers are dying, and all for the armed MILF to gain control of Philippine territory and establish its own government.
If that is not treason committed by the Commande-in-Chief, what then is?
chi,
add ko sa post mo ha..
Meanwhile, Arroyo ordered military and police troops to “control” offensives against Abu Sayyaf bandits so civilians in Basilan and Sulu would be kept out of harm’s way.
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pero di sa mnlf…talaga ba siyang nanggagalit..o inaapuyan ang damdamin ng mga muslim na sympathizer sa mnlf…
Pinagaaway-away ni tianak ang mga muslim para tuloy ang gulo,tuloy ang business sabi ng kanyang mga holders!
chi Says:
August 15th, 2007 at 1:05 am
Pinagaaway-away ni tianak ang mga muslim para tuloy ang gulo,tuloy ang business sabi ng kanyang mga holders!
reply: chi, okay lang sana kung “ayaw” lang (sigawan, murahan kunting sampalan or friendly slap!) kaso hinde lang patayan kundi “katayan” ! ano yan? mga baboy?