Early this morning, before 5 a.m., PNP officers forcibly took out Bayan Muna Partylist Rep. Satur Ocampo from the Manila Police District and brought to the Manila Domestic Airport. They want to bring him to Hilongos, Leyte.
ABS-CBN reported that Satur refused to take a military helicopter to Leyte as originally planned by the PNP.
Satur missed the 6 a.m. flight to Tacloban and is now at the airport waiting for the 10 a.m. flight.
Neri Colmenares, Ocampo’s lawyer, is already in Hilongos, Leyte to petition the court to keep Ocampo in Manila because the Supreme Court has scheduled oral arguments ofr his petition for certiorari on Friday, March 23.
Colmenares texted that Hilongos is
“heavily militarized. Ang daming army. May umiikot with microphone tumitira kay Satur. And daming intel naka civilian clothes. Armed men sa paligid ng korte.”
Bayan Muna rep. Teddy Casiño lambasted the treatment of his fellow partlist representative:”If [police] can vioate the rights of an elected official like Ka Satur, how much more an ordinary citizen?” he told DZMM.
“There is no reason for the police to rush Ocampo’s transfer. Our lawyer is already there just waiting for government offices to open so he could file a motion before the Leyte court,” he added.
He said Bayan Muna representatives have asked the police to wait for the decision of the court on their petition. He said he and Ocampo’s wife, Prof. Carolina Malay, will accompany the lawmaker if the transfer pushes through.
Casiño also scored Speaker Jose de Venecia for failing to act quickly on a separate petition to place Ocampo under the custody of the House of Representatives.
“The key there is the speaker of the House and the leadership of Congress. The sad thing is Speaker de Venecia [and] top House leaders haven’t even visited Ka Satur. Even if they don’t show support, the least they could do is visit a fellow congressman whose rights are being violated,” he said.
The Supreme Court earlier scheduled oral arguments over the petition for certiorari and prohibition filed by Ocampo last Friday shortly before the lawmaker was arrested.
The high court ordered Hilongos, Leyte court Branch 18 judge Ephrem Abando, Prosecutor Rosulo Rivero and Justice Secretary Raul Gonzalez to comment on Ocampo’s petition within a “non-extendible period of five days.”
Ocampo, who once served as the spokesman for the National Democratic Front (NDF) of the Communist Party of the Philippines, was charged with 15 counts of murder allegedly committed during a purge of suspected “spies and counter-revolutionaries” within the ranks of the CPP and its armed wing the New People’s Army (NPA) between 1985 and 1991.
The charges stemmed from the discovery of a mass grave in Inopacan, Leyte last year and the testimonies made by former rebels who survived the purges and the relatives of the victims.
Satur had been granted amesy under declarations issued by former President Aquino and Ramos.
Ellen:
Here’s what I got from the office of the good Congressman:
—– Original Message —–
From: “Rep. Satur Ocampo”
To:
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 7:55 AM
Subject: POLICE DRAGS SATUR TO LEYTE
> Violating Rep. Satur Ocampo’s right to due process and disregarding
> the Supreme Court’s order to maintain the status quo until the March
> 23 oral argument over Satur’s petition, Philippine police woke up Rep.
> Satur and his wife at 3 a.m. this morning, informing Satur that he
> would be brought to Leyte, where fabricated murder charges were filed
> against him.
>
> At around 4:30 a.m., the police dragged Satur out of the Manila Police
> District and into their van bound for the domestic airport.
>
> As of this moment, Rep. Satur is at the Philippine National Police
> hangar in the airport awaiting his illegal transfer to Leyte. Police
> say he would be boarding a commercial flight, but Satur and his wife,
> Carolina Malay, doubt this. In separate statements, police officials
> said Satur would be transfered via helicopter.
>
> Rep. Satur and his family fears for his safety, as there is no
> guarantee that he would not be harmed on the trip going to Leyte, or
> in his awaiting detention in the far flung town of the province.
>
Will send this to his friends in the Japanese Diet and to Senator Boxer.
Gosh, this administration of the poser president is in panic mode for real this time!
Masyadong ma-drama itong Tianak. Again, in the dark of the night (midnight pala), Rep. Satur was dragged out of MPD for Leyte. Buti pa na hindi na lang nagpakita si Ocampo sa korte. Assperon has a despicable behaviour, hindi kayang lumaban ng patas! The supersekyu has totally lost his mind!
The moves of the Tianak and Assperon led one to believe that the forced incidents are prelude to the declaration of martial law if Tianak will become ‘tagilid’ with the result of the election in May.
ellen,
Thousands were massacred and killed in the eighties in the communist purges. Amnesty and pardon require that the truth be told and guilt be admitted. You cannot be absolved for crimes you do not admit to having committed. It is better that these multiple murder charges be properly adjudicated in a Court of Law. Or do you really want pure anarchy because galit ka lang kay GMA?
GSDC: said “do you really want pure anarchy because galit ka lang kay GMA?”
Why this question to Ellen, do you think anarchy is possible?
I commented recently that I thought that this administration have to be very careful of their next move but the problem was they didn’t know what move to make. It is my opinion that this move against Rep.Satur Ocampo and the Rule of Law this morning is reckless and for no apparent real reason.
So…the Master Butcher has laid plans and the ground is ready [in Leyte] for Satur Ocampo.
Geez! Lahat gagawin, mapatunayan lang nila na totoo at hindi fabricated ang kanilang charges sa kanilang target.
KAYA ng administrasyong gawin yun, dahil nasa kanila ang makinarya at mga small-time butchers na walang utak na sumusunod sa bawa’t utos ng kanilang mga amo.
Habang lumalaon, dumarami ang kasalanan ni glue at ng kanyang alipores!
IT IS ABOUT TIME to stop the crazy couple and their armed goons from doing what they please. After all, hindi pa naman nila nabibili ang buong Bayan……….[o nabili na ba?]
It’S NOW or NEVER!
What the Tiyanak is trying to prove is that she cannot be pulled down from her position with or without US help. She’s trying to show some bravado despite the threat from overseas of being deprived of the needed aids to keep her bogus government floating together with what she and her fellow pimps can suck from the OFWs. Frankly, this should be stopped.
As Noynoy Aquino now says, this Tiyanak is worse than Marcos, who actually died wishing maybe that there would be someone worse than him and history being kinder to him.
Ano iyan? Is she trying to make a Ninoy of Satur and Ka Bel? Lumang tugtugin na ang commie threat na sinasabi niya. She and her lackeys are in fact much more evil than these people she and her fellow little brown Americans call as “commies”! Tongue T., pakimura na nga!
IBASURA ANG ADMINISTRASYOON! IBOTO ANG OPOSISYON! GO 11+0.
ystakei:
I think your right in what you say, her tiny thinking is to send a signal to the USA that she can do anything she wants having the backing of 23 of her former Generals.
Leyte Judge has suspended the order verbally to DILG & PNP this just revealed by ABS News
Its about time this judiciary stood up straight to be counted!
Ellen:
Here’s a tip from a reliable source. The Tiyanak and the husband are coming over in May to finalize reportedly the deals with their contacts in Japan and the US re the patrimonies of the Philippines in Japan that they are depriving the real owners, the people of the Philippines, of the right to decide on what to do with them.
There is also now a repression on groups joining rallies against the bogus president with their groups being put on surveillance or blacklist.
We are also told that pollwatchers will no longer be allowed to watch the counting. Can you verify this?
Ystakei,
No wonder Satur and deniers of killing fields have friend in the Japanese Diet. That’s where the deniers of sex slavery are.
This should read: Here’s a tip from a reliable source. The Tiyanak and the husband are coming over in May to finalize reportedly the deals with their contacts in Japan and the US re the DISPOSAL OF patrimonies of the Philippines in Japan that they are depriving the real owners, the people of the Philippines, of the right to decide on what to do with them.
The ganids apparently plan to make big money out of the 5 properties of the Philippines in Japan acquired through reparations. Wala na sigurong magatas sa mga tuta nila kaya iyong mga properties dito ngayon ang pagdidiskitahan!
This should be stopped. Kaya lang talagang malala na ang social cancer ng mga pilipino, I think. My sympathy and condolence to all. It is at times like this that I think my lucky star, may lahi akong hapon!!!
…I THANK my lucky star…At least, dito puede kong murahin ang PM namin, and I don’t get to prison as long as I do not do him physical harm!!! Sarap murahin ang mga kurakot!!! But I’ll leave PV and Tongue T. to do it for me!!!
WWNL,
Is that what you call it when murder charges are filed in a Court of Law–reckless? Is it only in your favorite places like Brussels and Geneva that Courts are allowed to adjudicate cases of crime, where recently they even absolved Slobodan Miloscevic’s genocides of Muslims?
taipan88:
This evil woman and her select henchmen are out of control. Everything they’re are doing is in preparation for Martial Law, then many more who criticise her administration will be arrested. Mark my words.
Enough is Enough…surely!
Ystakei,
Bakit, hindi pa panay pagmumura ng Presidente ang ginagawa mo dito araw-araw? Wala ka namang ginawa kundi yun, ah.
Sabi ni Rep. Teddy Casino na “kung nagagawa daw NILA ito sa isang halal na tao, paano pa kaya sa isang ordinaryong mamamayan”. Ka Teddy, eksakto na iyan talaga ang gustong ipakita at ipaalam ng mga kampon ni gloria sa pamumuno si heneral-de-bobo na si Eggsperon. Sa bisa ng kapangyarihang hawak nila na puwesto sa militar, pasimple nilang tinatakot ang sambayanang Pilipino na kapag ikaw ay nag-ingay at nag-reklamo ng hantaran laban sa mga kabalbalan, katarantaduhan, katiwalian, at kabulukan nina gloria at ng kaniyang rehimen, ikaw ay dadamputin, kakaladkarin, at itatapon kung saang selda ka nila gustong ilagay, mula Appari hanggang Jolo, sasakyang panglupa, pangtubig, o panghimpapawid ikaw isasakay na parang tupa na handa nang katayin.
Meron nagsabi duon sa kabilang thread, na bago ang world condemnation sa pagdampot kay Ka Satur, dapat ay national condemnation muna. Pero malabo ang inaasam na iyon ng ating kababayan, dahil sa ngayon ay nakita na nina gloria, at ng kaniyang mga goons na sina eggsperon na mas nakararami na sa ating mga kababayan ang walang pakialam, hindi nakikialam, at takot makialam.
The majority of our populace have already shown themselves to gloria’s wolfpack that they have already accepted they role in this present “political foodchain”. The Bitch gloria is the matriarch of her pack with the support of her Alpha male fat-mike with his subordinates headed by eggsperon are the Top Predators, while we are, the Filipino people are their unwilling Preys. It’s the slaughter of the meek, not necessarily the weak. May God help us all!
Let’s see what the Supreme Court will do about Rep. Satur’s transfer to Leyte while still waiting for it’s scheduled oral arguments of his petition for certiorari on Friday, March 23.
Hindi na bago kay Tianak at Assperon ang sumunod sa SC. Nagmamadali silang i-transfer si Ocampo sa Leyte away from the prying eyes of the media which is the only protection of Rep. Satur these days?!
Yuko,
Master Butcher is also a master of brinkmaship. I agree with you na kinukuha nila ang atensyon ni pareng Bush! Tingnan natin kung hanggang saan ang kabaliwan ng babaeng hindi hayop-hindi tao!
(Koreksyon) Hindi na bago kay Tianak at Assperon ang HINDI sumunod sa SC.
Philippine justice sucks. Gosh, police there can even shoot anyone they would want to without getting reprimanded for it, and a lot of people are even framed up by the police and send to the gallows without proving their innocence! I should know. I have worked for the freedom of one Japanese who refused to be framed up and was given a death penalty for a crime he did not commit in the Philippines. Buti na lang nakasama sa mga na-pardon on instruction of FVR, who I requested for a retrial, which they would not even want to grant because there was in fact no evidence.
Over in the Land of the Rising Sun, no one gets to be indicted if the police cannot find evidences to prove one’s guilt, for over here, guilt is imperative to be proven before a person can be indicted. We call it here as “the burden of proof.”
The court is there not to determine whether a person is innocent or guilty, but only to see if an accused is corrigible or not. Otherwise, he is sentenced to death if he is incorrigible and will continue to be a threat and hazard to society. Dapat ganyan sa Pilipinas.
You bet, I prefer our system better than the system in the Philippines copied from the Americans sans the jury system that on the whole Filipinos can hardly understand and comprehend.
My sympathy and condolence to all!!!
P. S. If you guys are up to it, sumama sa rally sa Camp Crame to protest against this injustice against Satur and Bobi Ocampo. Dito naman busy din kami meeting with friends of Satur and Ka Bel in the Japanese Diet. Kaya sinong may sabing wala kaming magagawa at nagagawa? Inutil din ano?
GSDC: said “Is that what you call it when murder charges are filed in a Court of Law–reckless?”
“Leyte Judge has suspended the order verbally to DILG & PNP this just revealed by ABS News”
Rule of Law, thats what I’m talking about, not trampling all over the accused and the SC no-less.
Chi,
You may find Alan Paguia’s analysis interesting…
“Warrant vs Satur was issued by Leyte Regional Trial Court either (a) with jurisdiction; or (b) without jurisdiction. If (a) then Satur’s petition for certiorari before Supreme Court will be dismissed. If (b), the proper remedy would be a motion to quash the information before the Regional Trial Court, not certiorari before the Supreme Court. Also if (b), surrender is not proper because RTC acted without jurisdiction,. Temporary Restraining Order would be proper to restrain arrest. When Satur got himself arrested, his petition for TRo became moot and academic. There is nothing more to restrain. Therefore Satur’s counsels erred when they exposed him to arrest before obtaining a TRO.”
GodSaveDConstitution Says:
March 19th, 2007 at 10:47 am
No wonder Satur and deniers of killing fields have friend in the Japanese Diet. That’s where the deniers of sex slavery are.
GSDC/Rizalist, meron bang koneksyon ito sa pambababoy at pandaraya ni gloria sa sagradong proseso ng halalan nuong 2004? Meron din ba itong kinalaman kung bakit grabe ang pagnanakaw at panglulustay sa ating kabang-bayan ng rehimen ni gloria sa pangunguna ng kaniyang opisyal na eskorte na si mike arroyo? Me koneksyon din ba ang sinasabi mong ito patungkol sa mga Hapon sa nagaganap na pagpatay sa mga militanteng Pilipino na nag-iingay laban sa mga kabuktutan ng rehimen ni gloria? Ang aking tanong para sa iyo ay kayang tumuloy-tuloy pero ihihinto ko na muna para masagot mo naman ito maliit na kayumangging-amerikano?
Thanks, GSDC.
I go with this reasoning of Alan Paguia. It’s always better if there’s a legal mind here. Madali naman ako kung may rason na legal at maganda ang analysis.
GodSaveDConstitution Says:
It is better that these multiple murder charges be properly adjudicated in a Court of Law
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You have a penchant for this phrase – court of law/rule of law… I am beginning to construe that you mean Gloria’s court of law of Gloria’s rule of law. You admire her that much? This, inspite of the blatant defiance of the supreme court’s order of status quo?
Spartan:
Waste of time sumagot sa mga walang alam, at trying hard lang na magdunung-dunugan. I know what I am talking about. Otherwise, hindi na ako magmamarunong! Mahirap mapahiya sa totoo lang! Dito kasi, you lose face, magpakamatay ka na lang. Hindi puedeng palusot! Get mo, brod?
Spartan,
Ang kaso nila Satur at Joma ay hinggil lamang sa mga krimeng umano’y kanilang ginawa noon pang nakaraan. Tama ka na maraming ibang krimen na dapat parusahan. Ngunit isa lang ang Batas, isa lang ang Konstitusyon, isa lang ang Hustisya. Kung hindi natin ipagtatanggol ang Batas sa bawat pangyayari, kahit na sino pa man ang masaktan o hindi, walang pagasang maparusahan ang mga nagkasala. Iyon ang anarkiya.
Ano ba talaga sa palagay mo ang dapat na pagkakaiba sa kaso ni Satur at Joma kay Leviste at Jalosjos — sa paningin ng Hustisyang Bulag?
GodSaveDConstitution Says:
March 19th, 2007 at 10:14 am
Thousands were massacred and killed in the eighties in the communist purges. Amnesty and pardon require that the truth be told and guilt be admitted. You cannot be absolved for crimes you do not admit to having committed. It is better that these multiple murder charges be properly adjudicated in a Court of Law. Or do you really want pure anarchy because galit ka lang kay GMA?
Masyado kang magaling GSDC, communists purges, blah! blah! blah! Ikaw, dahil ba sa iyong takot at muhi mo sa mga sinasabi mong komunista ay tama lang na damputin at ikulong ang isang tao oras na me nahukay na mga kalansay at may isang magsalita na may takip sa mukha at banggitin ang pangalan ng taong inaakusahan ng walang tamang proseso? Anarkiya? Saan at kelan? Magkakaroon ba nito dahil sa pag-iingay ng mga kababayan natin na nasusuka na sa kawalanghiyaan ng administrasyon ni gloria? Ang galing mong magsalita, gayong ikaw ay nandiyaan ngayon sa malamig mong kuwarto, umiinom ng malamig na inumin, at nakaupo sa malamig mong upuan. Samantala, anduon ngayon sa harapan ng Kawanihan ng Reporma sa Lupaing Sakahan ang mga matatandang magsasaka na lalaki at babae, hindi kumakain sa ilalim ng nagbabaga sa init na araw, dahil humihingi ng hustisya sa pagkakasakit at pagkakapaslang sa kanilang mga kapamilya ng mga ganid at sakim na malalaki at maimpluwensiyang tao. At dahil sila’y sumapi sa isang kilusan ng mga aktibistang magbubukid, sila na ngayon ay paparatangan na maka-kaliwa o ang gasgas nang termino na KOMUNISTA.
As for the sex slaves, the National Archives here have records pertaining to the Korean and Taiwanese “Ianfu” but none on the victims of rapes in the Philippines, etc. as being made into sex slaves that I will liken to the Filipino Japayukis recruited here illegally and therefore could not avail of proper help when they complained, and then just keep quiet when they are paid.
The Koreans and Taiwanese were considered members of the defunct Japanese Imperial Army, more like some sex WACs with the authorities then recognizing that the soldiers needed some respite after a day or two of heavy fighting and prevent them going around raping the natives!!! But war is war, and even Filipinos then in fact did such rapings and blamed the Japanese for their own marauding and crimes against their own fellow countrymen.
Now, this little brown American pretending to be smart and wise does not even know that Satur’s friends in the Diet are the ones who have rallied for these self-proclaimed sex slaves in the Philippines to claim for compensation if they can prove they are right. They are not privy to the denial of the Japanese government now that there is no proof that Filipino women were used as sex slaves! Rape victims, maybe, but not sex slaves.
Kaya ano ang sinasabi nitong ignoramus na ito? Mahirap ang magkalat ng wrong information as a matter of fact.
GSDC, ang tanong ko sa iyo ay nasa Quiapo, Manila, kaso ang sinagot mo ay nasa Daly City, California. Pasensya na GSDC, hindi mo pa nasasagot ang tanong ko sa iyo.
Spartan:
Meron akong kakilalang kasama sa purges as a matter of fact who is now a scholar over here. According to my information, siya ang most responsible for the purges then after he connived with the AFP berdugos and inutils!
alitaptap,
It is not a mere “penchant” for the Rule of Law I espouse, but a dedication to it. Admiration for Gloria has nothing to do with it. What do you stand for? Abolition of the Law when you don’t like the result? Even our freedom to curse the authorities and scream our heads off to gain psychological relief, rests upon the Rule of Law!
Problema kasi sa Pilipinas, Spartan, mga kriminal din ang nagpapalakad ng pulis at military. Sama-sama na silang lahat na mga butete! Pati tuloy iyong mga matitino, napapahamak gaya ni BGen. Alfredo Cayton. Pati tuloy siya napapasama sa mga bugok!
“Satur’s counsels erred when they exposed him to arrest before obtaining a TRO.” (Alan Paguia)
I don’t question Atty. Paguia’s legal analysis because I’m not a lawyer. My question is about the transfer of Rep. Ocampo being done in a hurry, madaling araw pa?! Anong rason at hindi makapaghintay ng may araw which was only a few hours away? Palaging misterio ang oras ng transfer ng mga akusadong sikat sa administrasyon ni Tianak!
Ystakei,
Kung totoo na kilala mo pala ang talagang pumatay sa mga libolibong biktima noon, dapat kang tumestigo sa depensa ni Satur at Joma nang sila ay ma-absuwelto. Kung hindi, eh di kakampi ka pala ni gloria at esperon. O bola-bolang hapon mo lang yan?
spartan,
Naku! Huwag mo nang banggitin ang Quiapo, Manila, kung saan naroon ang Plaza Miranda. Ayon kay Ka Jovito Salonga, isa pang lugar yan kung saan gumawa ng karumaldumal na pamamaslang ang mga ipinagtatanggol mo ngayon. Remember the Plaza Miranda Massacre! hanggang ngayon hindi pa napaparusahan ang mga NPA na naghagis ng granada doon!
GSDC, look again. I said “your penchant for the phrase …” You use that phrase like it were just a toy – you don’t really mean it. Defiance of the supreme court order is a mockery of law. Rule of law is nonexistent or is blatantly scoffed at. You seem to display no abhorrence to gloria’s rule of law and try hard (TH) to cosmeticize her actions. If that is not admiration, then what???
To play a fair in a game we need to flip the coin on both side, not to focus only on a monologue issue. As I notice here we are only applauding the criticism committed by Arroyo but, how about the atrocities being committed by Satur, Joma and Jalandoni,Since they started their left wing activities the numbers of victims of their cruelty has skyrocketed, they acted as a jury, a judge and an executioner in their so called a Kangaroo Court, those victims who were sentenced to death has no good representation on there defense, either they were sentenced by absentia or being forcibly dragged in there court and the chanced of being found innocent is zero. They were already found guilty until proven innocent. Maybe, to some of you it is okey because you never lost any friends, kin, or family members who suffered a brutality of death in their bloody hands. Or, you don’t have any family members that were afraid to be on the outside of the house when sunset come. Or, maybe some of you don’t have a farmland that need to be till and plant some crops, those farmers in the barrio are afraid to be there alone tilling his land and harvesting his crops. We have some uncultivated farmland because no one want to till it. It was been infested by them. The last tenant we had, the whole family was been massacred by them. If he is guilty let him do his time and if he is innocent let him be free. I am not defending the Arroyo government. I am just voicing my ill feelings towards them. They must be accounted for too, for the command of responsibility.
What’s next?
ABS-CBN banner Judge stops Satur’s transfer on DILG’s orders
A Leyte judge on Monday ordered police to stop the transfer of jailed Bayan Muna Rep. Satur Ocampo from Manila to Leyte province after receiving instructions from the Department of the Interior and Local Government.
Judge Ephrem Abando of the Leyte Regional Trial Court Branch 18 in Hilongos said he issued the order after receiving assurance that the DILG would secure the lawmaker.
Chi,
Mahigit dalawampung taon nang naghihintay ang mga biktima para sa Hustisya. Sino ang nagmamadali?
cocoy:
Some of us here are afraid to be on the outside of the house after sunset at the moment, not because of the NPA but because of the AFP & PNP. The military don’t wait for sunset, they salvage you in broad daylight in front of witnesses!
alitaptap:
Unfortunately there are some that will only ever comment on the breaking of the Rule of Law by the common man, they, for some reason best known to themselves don’t include these so called leaders who are blatently breaking the Rule of Law who should be showing the common man better leadership.
Nah! its easier to knock the common man, maybe its their form of snobbery.
I supported the impeachment of GMA in 2005 and 2006. But there was never enough public support for it after the Leftist in Congress and a bunch of hotheads tried to pull that Stalinist Kangaroo Court stunt with Guingona as head of a Presiduum. They are as much to blame for the failure to pursue the processes of the Law as the House Majority who might not have squashed the 2006 attempt at impeachment so easily without the opposition alienating the public with that stunt. I am becoming even more pessimistic now. I think most Filipinos just want to get to Daly City instead…
I have a different memory of the impeachment failures, what I saw was that the Administration Congreemen, railroaded it, after being ‘bought’ both times calling it a numbers game.
cocoy,
The best friend of my uncle was butchered by NPAs in front of my grandpa when they were on their way to supevise the taniman in the farms. They let go of my lolo because he was already old and wala naman daw kasalanan sa kanila. I remembered that my lolo was shocked and couldn’t talk for several months. He was brought to Manila and stayed with us until he regained his health.
I, too, am not a fan of NPAs. But I wish this Tianak and Assperon don’t just make Satur an exhibit for the US, to serve their selfish ends. At dahil sumuko si Satur ay irespeto nila ang karapatan noong tao ayon sa batas. Kung tuluyang mapatunayan without doubt na gawa lahat ni Ocampo ang ibinibintang nila, e di bigyan ng parusa.
Ikaw na rin ang nagsabi na matagal na ang mga pangyayari buhat noong martial law ni Marcos. At nakuha na nila si Satur. Ang dapat ay huwag nilang madaliin, bagkus ay tiyakin nila kung ano ang mga pananagutan ni Ocampo base sa mga evidences na hindi gawa-gawa lamang ng militar para manatili sa pwesto si Tianak.
Ang problema kasi ay walang credibility and pekeng pangulo kaya lahat ng hakbang ay pinagdududahan na puro pansariling interes lamang. Lahat ng ginagawa ay para meron lang maipagyabang kay Bush!
wwnl says: “Nah! its easier to knock the common man, maybe its their form of snobbery.”
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Snubs do not possess any more invulnerability than the common man – they also succumb to and suffer pillory and shame.
WWNl:
The problem I mentioned happened long time ago,Arroyo was not yet a president.Ebdane’s brother Basilio was executed when the general was still a coronel and a provincial commander.In San Marcelino if you ever heard that Rabanes incident,almost the whole municipal council perished because they were having a party,they were caught by surprised.The tenant I mentioned was still during Marcos time.I want to go home and enjoy my retirement,but,I could not they marked me,because I fight with their ideology.
WWNL,
That’s right it was the House Majority that railroaded the impeachment out of the House. Just like it was the Craven Eleven that would have acquitted Erap in his impeachment trial. But if the people are mad enough and want change enough, nothing can stop them. Why was there no people power in 2006? Because the Left hijacked the process and too many people refused to be used by them just to put Noli de Castro in power. Or somebody else even worse! Who do you want in power anyway?
Sa akin ay dapat na parusahan si Rep. Ocampo base sa command responsibility kung mapatunayan ang mga pagpatay ng nasa ilalim ng kanyang command,at isunod si Tianak at ng hindi na maghintay ng 20 taon pang muli ng another diskusyon tungkol sa kanyang mga kasalanan sa taong- bayan!
Nite, nite. It’s already past 12am. thanks guys!
Gloria has learned from Marcos that the best way to stay in power is to convince enough people that the alternative to her is worse, NOT that she is the best. I do admire her cunning for that. The blunder of the Opposition is to buy into the Left’s gambit to portray themselves as the best and the noblest and most interested in the people’s welfare. That’s not very smart chess and we are all suffering for it, even if we disagree on other things.
Me who do I want in power, I want this corrupt Gloria Arroyo and all her corrupt friggin AFP & PNP to be in power until the treasury has been plundered totally and this country is bankrupt. Is that what you want, because its what you will get by sucking their toes the way you do.
But wait for her to declare Martial Law, its just aroung the corner. That when you will awake!
Chi, my heart goes out to you and what happened to you lolo. Our inang bayan will periodically go into convulsions compared to other nations which are relatively stable. This is because the birth of our nation started by Bonifacio was aborted, and istead was handed on a silver platter by mga kano. In the process, the national discipline was never forged and was only taken for granted. Unless inang bayan undergo a trip to the crucible to purge the iron from the ore, gloria and those coming after her will take the national discipline for granted.
Alitaptap,
You have a very good analysis why Pinas suffers a cyclic existence!
WWNL, gloria need not declare Martial Law … it is HERE now. Look at the police and military checkpoints scattered all around, the military deployment in civilian communities, the actions of the police and military in defying the supreme court, and to top it all, the latest extra-judicial killings. Perhaps you haven’t heard of abuses committed at checkpoints? Palparan started the martial rule, or haven’t you heard? Never underestimate gloria – she may be lilliputian but her mind works like a titan.
alitaptap:
I agree with you when you say discipline was never forged, plus the fact that the PNP act like Wyatt Earp when kind of law man ended so many years ago.
ANC News have just reported that despite what the Layte Judge ordered suspension of the order of Rep.Satur Ocampo the PNP has flown him to Leyte in secret.
Further proof that the PNP has no discipline. Micky Mouse or Keystone Cops comes to mind.
GodSaveDConstitution Says:
March 19th, 2007 at 11:55 am
spartan,
Naku! Huwag mo nang banggitin ang Quiapo, Manila, kung saan naroon ang Plaza Miranda…blah! blah! blah! and more blah! blah!
Okey, ibahin ko laman ng sinabi ko. You’ve given me your answer, but it seems that your reply was about why pigs don’t sweat, when my question to you was why rats keep on gnawing on woods. Kaya nasabi ko na ang iyong sagot ay nasa Daly City, California samantalang ako ay nasa Quiapo, Manila. And to make it simple, ANG LAYO NG SAGOT MO SA TANONG KO SA IYO. Ayun, sinimplihan ko na para maabot mo, maliit na kayumangging-amerikano. 😉
To GodSaveDConstitution :
“Or do you really want pure anarchy because galit ka lang kay GMA?”
haaay naku, wala kang magagawa diyan. made up na ang mind nyan. Everything starts with Ate Glue, with hatred of her, with kicking her out – that has become the lens through which Ellen sees everything.
Of course we understand why. Ikaw ba naman ang mawala sa pagiging ‘anak ng diyos’ nung panahon ni Erap? All quests for truth, justice, righteousness are just a facade of the underlying mission – bring back Erap to Malacanang.
Do you believe for one second that Ellen and Malaya are just detached, disinterested and independent observers?
How i wish we can identify those who are pure anti-GMA (without any underlying motive and are prompted only by righteous indignation) lang.
“Gloria has learned from Marcos that the best way to stay in power is to convince enough people that the alternative to her is worse, NOT that she is the best. I do admire her cunning for that.”
Good observation. I thought Ate Glue is just plain lucky that the ‘united opposition’ are bumbling idiots
“The blunder of the Opposition is to buy into the Left’s gambit to portray themselves as the best and the noblest and most interested in the people’s welfare. That’s not very smart chess and we are all suffering for it, even if we disagree on other things.”
Very true. Sadly, 99.9% of all bloggers here refuse to see it that way. Basta lang “PATALSIKIN NA NOW NA”
In another post I described the ‘united opposition’ as people who “can snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.” Thats how good they are. And they are the ones to whom 99.9% of the bloggers here look up to to bring the Philippines to the promised land.
Well okay, may katapusan rin ang pasiyensya ko sa mga awtoridad. Mukhang dinala pa rin si Satur sa Leyte kahit na nag-isyu ng order ang judge sa Hilongos. Aaaarghh!
spartan:
I’m giving you notice that in the future I may use your phrase “seems that your reply was about why pigs don’t sweat, when my question to you was why rats keep on gnawing on woods.” HahahahaH! thats funny.
wwnl, the cops though under the DILG who requested the stoppage on the transfer of Rep. Satur Ocampo from Manila to Layte, were under siRaulo Gonzalez’ strings. Kaya dedma lang sila sa mga court order-court order na ganiyan. The men of both the AFP and the PNP are now private armies of the gloria macapagal-arroyo’s regime. Balatkayo lang na for people, constitution, and country lang ang mga iyan. Parang iyong isa dito, isalba daw ang konstitusyon, konstitusyon ng ano?, Estados Unidos?
napanood ko noong nakaraang biyernes(a-nueve hindi a-disi-sais) ang ANC News at guest sina Alex Magno at Ben Diokno.
Ipinagbibida duon ang mga achievement kuno ni GMA.
Sa tuwing nagsasalita si Alex Magno, ang ginagawa ko sa remote control ng TV ko at pinipindot ko lang ang MUTE.
Kapag nakatutok na ang kamera kay Professor Diokno saka ko lang pinakikinggan ulit ang mga sinasabi sa TV.
Kapag naipaliwanag na ni Alex Magno ang inimbento nyang salitang SULTANISMO tungkol kay Erap hindi pa rin ako maniniwala sa kanya.
Isa kasi syang PARTISAN.
Iyong salitang sultanismo niya ay isang pambabastos sa lahing Malayo. Kaya hindi dapat pansinin o pakinggan ang taong yan!
Nabanggit ni Prof. Diokno sa ANC News na iyon ang HUMAN CAPITAL.
Sumingit na naman ang nilalang na ito. Lumaki ako na ang turo sa akin ng mga matatanda. Iho, kapag pumunta ka sa bahay ng ibang tao, kahit anong hindi mo magustuhan sa kanilang ugali at asal, huwag na huwag mong pupunahin at babatikusin. Sarilinin mo lang iyon, at kung ayaw mo, huwag ka na lang ulit pumunta o pumasok sa kanialng bahay, sapagka’t sa oras na pinuna at binatikos mo sila sa SARILI nilang pamamahay, mas masahol ka pa sa ugali nila na kinaaayawan mo. Simple lang din ibig sabihin ng mga lelang ko, huwag kang maging BASTOS sa pamamahay ng may pamamahay. Walang inilayo dito kay anthony scalawag, pumuputok ang butsi kay Ellen Tordesillas, pasok naman ng pasok dito, hindi lang BASTOS, UNGAS pa ang taong ito. PWE!!! Ayan, talsik ko lumalaway sa mukha mo anthony scalawag. Inggit ka siguro kay Ellen Tordesillas ano? siguro ikaw iyong naikwento niya sa akin na binasted niya nuong elementarya pa lang siya. hehehe, ikaw nga! 😛
Chi;
Ang gusto ko sanang makita sa bansa natin ay magka-isa na ang lahat ng Pilipino.Wala na iyang mga NPA,CCP.NDF.AbuSayaf.
Noon sumurender ang mga HUKBALAHAP kay Ramon Magsaysay dahil may programa ang gobyerno sa kanila,binigyan sila ng mga kabuhayan at lupang sakahan mga iba nagpunta ng Palawan,Mindoro,Lanao at ibang parte,naging law abiding citizen sila at naging masagana ang buhay nila.Kung may programa ba ang gobyerno para sa ikabubuhay nila palagay ko wala na silang dahilan para hindi magbalik loob sa pamahalaan.
Ng nasa Pi;ipinas pa ako,nakadiskusyunan ko ang isang kumander nila at sinabi niya sa akin kaya raw sila nakikipaglaban dahil ang gusto nila ay pantay-pantay,maganda ang adhikain ninyo ang sabi ko sa kanya,kaya daw sila nakikipaglaban para raw magkaroon sila ng sariling lupa.Ito na nagkapikunan na kami dahil sinabi ko sa kanya na di puwede iyang gusto nila na kumuha na lang ng lupa ng may lupa,dahil pinagsikapan nilang bilhin ang mga ari-arian nila,ngayon basta na lang ninyo kukunin.Iyon mahabang diskusyunan hangang bantaan na ang buhay ko.Ang nasabi ko sa kanila,”Mga gago pala kayo!ika ko’\” ayun hangang kakasahan na ako ng baril at pasasabugin daw ang utak ko,pero di ako natakot,ang natakot iyong mga pinsan ko at pinaalis na lang nila ako ng Pilipinas.
wwnl no problemo 😉
Meron gusto ipakahulugan si anthony pasakalye,
ano daw ang ibig sabihin ng EMERGING MARKETS kahit hindi nakaupo si Gloria Pidal?
This is a whole new subject, but suffice to say we won’t have a professional PNP until we seperate them from the AFP who should be kept in their barracks to allow the PNP to police the communities.
Reporting directly to a ‘Home Office’ truely independent of Government, Governors, Mayors, Congreemen and the like. Increase their numbers. training and pay.
Only then can they even start to become professional and truely serve the public within the Rule of Law..
Lakay cocoy, siraulo nga iyong nakausap mo na Kumander nuon. Animal ang arrive, ika nga. Problema lang lakay, mahirap na kasing ihiwalay ang mga TULISAN at simpleng BANDIDO sa mga TOTOONG KASAMA na ang adhikain at idelohiya ay ang pagkakaroon ng tunay na malinis, pantay, makatao, at para sa bayan na pamunuan sa ating pamahalaan.
nelbar, ang alam kong pasakalye niya, iyong tungkol sa nubenta’y nuwebe punto nubenta’y nuwebe porseyento na ang ibig niyang sabihin siya lang iyong punto Bokya-Uno na NAKAKAINTINDI ng suliranin at solusyon ng krisis pulitika sa ating bansa. Animal ang arrive..hehehe. Pa-henyo ang epek ng Kups na ito.
WWNL:
Iyan sa sinabi mong iyan,bakas tayo.Agree ako na ibalik sa jurisdiksion ng Mayor ang kapulisan at si Meyor ang bahalang managot sa taong bayan sa kapalpakan ng kanyang kapulisan.Noong araw Chief of Police ang uncle ko sa isang bayan,iyang mga Manila Police na iyan na tiga sa aming bayan at nagyayabang sa inuman at akala mo na sila na ang siga,naglabasan na ng mga baril,Aba,dinisarmahan ng uncle ko.Sabi ng uncle ko sa kanila sa lugar ninyo kayo ang siga,pero dito sa lugar ko,ako ang siga,O ano may reklamo.Di natauhan sila,akala nila porke pulis Maynila sila kaya nila ang probinsya.Khaki pa ang mga uniporme ng mga Pulis noon,katulad ng kay McArthur.
Spartan:
Panahon pa ni Apo Lakay ng nangyari ang insidenting iyon,Bata pa kasi ako noon at may katarantauhan din at naghahabol ng mga Oxo,sigue-sigue at sputnik sa Olongapo ng nakaenkuwentro ko ang isang gagong kumander,ikinasa ang baril hindi naman ipinutok,di napahiya siya.Pero mabuti na iyong nakaalis baka nga tuyuin pa sa ulo iyon at akyatin ako sa gabi,iyon ang pakiusap ng mga pinsan ko dahil mahal pala nila ako.
Hafa Adai,Gachong!
chi, lakay cocoy at sa iba pang nakaranas ng sinasabi ninyong kawalanghiyaan at kalupitan ng mga tinagurian NPAs, I am one with you on condemning them. I agree, they should be brought to justice whoever they are, no matter how long ago the crimes they did. Pero, ang problema sa ngayon ay ang paghihirap ng ating bansa dahil sa kasalukuyang kabulastugan at katiwalian ng rehimen ni gloria at ng kaniyang tuso, gahaman, at ganid na eskorteng mataba. Meron hihirit diyan na pantas at sasabihing ang lahat ng problemang ito ay nag-ugat duon sa umpisa. Iyon nga panahon ni Marcos, mga karumal-dumal na pagpatay ng militar at rebelde nuong panahon na iyon, kapalpakan ni Cory, katusuhan at kagarapalan ni FVR, katangahan, kawalang moralidad, at kaganidan ni Erap, etc. etc., kaso ang bottom line ay ang SA NGAYON. Si gloria ang tunay na isyu sa ngayon, mga tanong na hindi pa rin niya sinasagot at pilit na sinasabing KALIMUTAN na daw dahil iyon ay PAST na daw, tulad ng PANDARAYA at PANGBABABOY sa SAGRADONG HALALAN 2004, Fertilizer Fund Scam, at iba pa. Hindi puwedeng i-apply ang FORGET and FORGIVE kay gloria dahil hanggang sa ngayon ay nandiyan pa siya. Lumitaw si benignBokya, na mala-pantas ang dating pero wala rin namang masabing solusyon, eto at sumisingit naman si anthony scalawag na nagpapasakalye naman na siya ang 0.01% na nakakaalam at nakakaintindi sa problema at solusyon. Pero pareho lang naman sila na pawang iyong mga isyu nuong panahon pa ni Limahong ang binubuhay dito. Hindi imbes na umabante tayo sa pamamagitan ng pagresolba sa kasalukyang problema at ang magiging alternatibong kinabukasan, kung patuloy na Marcos atrocities at CPP-NDF-NPA heinous crimes ang pag-uusapan at pagtatalunan natin dito, nagwawagi ang PANGKAT ni gloria, dahil ito ang gusto talaga nilang mangyari, ang LUMAYO AT MALIGAW ang ating mga paningin sa TOTOONG KASALUKUYANG SULIRANIN.
cocoy, chi, at sa lahat:
lahat naman tayo ay may karanasan (nakita’t nabalitaan) sa patuloy na digmaang nararasan; nakakapangilabot at masakit isipin at ako ay nakikidalamhati sa inyong personal na karanasan…
sa bawat hagupit ng mga rebolusyunaryo, ito naman ay sinasagot o sinusuklian ng walang kasing-bangis at bahid ng awa ng mga tauhan ng estado: sino ang makakalimot sa sinapit ng labor-leader na si Lando Olalia at ng kanyang drayber na si Dani Alay-ay?
“…matapos pagbabarilin ng maka-ilang beses, ito nama’y pinagsasak-sak ng 47 beses, tinanggalan ng mga mata at ang pribadong ari matapos putulin, ay pinambusal sa bibig…” (report ayon sa Task Force Detainees of the Philippines o TFDP)
ang kay student leader Lean Alejandro? ang kay Dr. Johnny Escandor, na “…matapos kitlan ng buhay, binasag ang bungo nito, kinalaykay ang mga utak at ang ipinalit ay mga damo, diyaryo at ang kanyang briefs…” (report ayon sa TFDP)
meron bang hustisya umiral sa mga kasong ito? sino ang aasahan nating magpapahinto ng digmaang ito, ang estado o ang mga rebulusyunaryo o ang taong-bayan? layunin ba natin ang magpahabaan ng listahan ng kahapon, o hanapin ang bukas na matiwasay at mapayapa?
sabi nga ng ilang dalubhasa sa Pisika, “…sa bawat isang kumpas at lagapak ng mga pakpak ng isang ordinaryong paru-paro, maaring merong kinalaman ito sa isang namumuong daluyong o bagyo sa ibayo…” (chaos theory)
sa bawat panitik natin sa mga isyung merong kinalaman sa pisikal na kabutihan ng ating kapwa na ang hangad ay kabutihan para sa bansa, tayo ba ay nang-uudyok at nagdudulot para sa kapayapaan o para sa daluyong (kamatayan) ng ilan pa nating mga kababayan?
Si Ka Satur nag sight-seeing. Nasa himpapawid na ang eroplano papuntang Leyte, pero pinabalik uli!
Ano na kaya nangyayari sa admin ni Gloria? Mukhang sila-sila ay hindi nagkakasundo o nagkakaisa. Baka meron nang nagising at lumalaban?
Ellen off topic.
“The Koreans and Taiwanese were considered members of the defunct Japanese Imperial Army, more like some sex WACs with the authorities then recognizing that the soldiers needed some respite after a day or two of heavy fighting and prevent them going around raping the natives!!!”
pardon me Ystakie with your above statement, you meant to say that the policy of the Japanese army during WW II was different from that in Korea and Taiwan as compared in the Philippines? does it mean then that what the Japanese authorities did in the Philippine is to allow your soldiers to go around and rape the “natives”? mas halang ba ang mga kaluluwa ng mga nadestino sa Pilipinas?
“Rape victims, maybe, but not sex slaves”
with your insistence of rape and based on your above statement it’s logical to say then that the Japanese authorities have low regard for Filipinos the reason why they allowed their soldiers to rape the “natives” rather than taking sex slaves which to me has no difference. which option is worse anyway, to be raped or to become a sex slave? you made it sound like rape is better than being a sex slave even accused Filipinos of doing it and then blamed it on the Japanese soldiers. if the Japanese soldiers raped Filipino women, doesn’t it require an apology as well from your government? i understand you’re a Japanese first but for this very sensitive issue and as a woman yourself claiming to have “Filipino” blood on your veins, maybe it’s better to stay away from it rather than rubbing salt to the wounds of our few remaining “comfort” women who are until now fighting for justice and demanding an apology from your governtment. there maybe no record in your national archive but these are well documented in the Philippine side.
Of course, it should be different, Jr. Lad. Korea and Taiwan were considered part of Japan before WWII, with the Taiwanese being considered different from the Chinese, which in fact the native of Taiwan are.
The Philippines was a territory of the US and not Japan’s, and the Japanese pre-war government were making ties with freedom fighters in the Philippines, Indonesia, etc. with its Asia co-prosperity sphere under the banner of “Asia for the Asians slogans!”
You should read your history. It’s all there. I do not have to tell you that as a matter of fact. The comfort women were on the payroll of the military as the equivalent of the US WACs as a matter of fact. With the military considered illegal after WWII, there was I suppose the question of compensation for lost wages, and the comfort women were affected with a law passed limiting the pensions only to Japanese nationals. The pension was more like backpays that the soldiers were not paid during the fighting, not something like war booties or rewards as what Filipino soldiers and guerrillas had expected from Uncle Sam to pay them.
The Koreans and the Taiwanese were given the option to choose in fact to be Japanese nationals so they could claim their pensions as members of the Japanese Imperial Army. There were no Filipinos listed there. Otherwise, the Americans would have made sure to ask Japan to pay and include such in the reparations package for the Philippines, which got the highest reparations rewards!
Spartan Says:
March 19th, 2007 at 1:24 pm
Sumingit na naman ang nilalang na ito. Lumaki ako na ang turo sa akin ng mga matatanda. Iho, kapag pumunta ka sa bahay ng ibang tao, kahit anong hindi mo magustuhan sa kanilang ugali at asal, huwag na huwag mong pupunahin at babatikusin.
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Spartan,
ang pagkakaalam ko, ang blog na ito ni ellen ay hindi ‘personal blog’. kung ito ay pang ‘personal’ kagaya halimbawa ng friendster o myspace, mga kaibigan laang niya ang iimbitahan niya sa ‘private’ blog niya.
itong blog na ito ay ‘extension’ ng kanyang mga ‘columns’ sa malaya, abante at iba pa kaya ito ay kahit sino ay pwedeng magbigay ay magpahayag ng nasasa-isip.
This should read…”which in fact the NATIVES of Taiwan are.”
I second jr_lad’s comment. I think that ystakei was insensitive in her comment.
Is that really your sentiment ystakei? Because there are no “proofs” in your national archives for sex slaves in the Philippines and other countries, does it mean that there were none? Because they were not properly employed to be sexual workers, they should be labeled as rape victims? War sure brings out the best and worst in men, huh?
Spartan,
Hindi naman ganoon kaiba ang Pilipinas sa napakaraming bansa sa mundo na walang kuwenta ang mga namumuno at maraming problemang pang-ekonimiya, pampulitika at hingil sa systema ng hustisya at kapayapaan. Siguro naman “average” lang tayo sa mga bansang mahirap. Ngunit bakit napaka-espesyal natin na hindi isa kundi dalawa, tatlo or higit pa ang mga lumalaganap na rebelde. May komunista at may jihadist na mga nag-aalsang nangangako ng Paraiso o demokrasya sa taong-bayan sa pamamagitan ng marahas at madugong paraan. Maraming mga NGO at party list sa lahat ng mga bansang ito, ngunit parang tayo lang ang mga ganitong grupo na tila may tinatago and kinukubli at ipinagtatanggol ang karapatan kuno ng mga gumagamit sa karahasan upang lutasin ang mga suliranin. Ang yabang naman natin kung tatanggapin natin ito. Wala akong paki sa idolohiyang gustohin ng nino man, ngunit walang karapatang gumamit ng dahas or ipagtanggol ang mga gumagamit ng dahas.
Sa palagay ang karamihan ng Pinoy ay naniniwala rito, kaya nga hindi manalonalo ang mga komunista. Ngunit, katulad halimbawa ng hepa o ng HIV, kahit hindi niya agad pinapatay ang katawan, ang insurgency ay parang virus na nakapit sa katawan ng Pilipinas, at itoy ginagawang mahina and di-maunlad. Nagtatago ang virus na ito sa mga pumapayag sa kanilang layunin at pamamaraang lihim at hypokrito.
Further to jr-lad and jon-m off topic remarks regarding the casualties of War I am reprinting a letter I sent to Tony Abaya which was republished by the Columnist on-line on his feedback column to wit:
I was born two years after the war, as we are known as the baby boomers. During my childhood my Parents and the older town folks would tell us some heroics of our guerrillas and my father’s younger brother who was an officer in the Army would relate their campaign which I he said was mostly intellegence in preparation for the Americans Return. But somehow we were lucky in our home province and our hometown, except for one instance of atrocities in what we call as “ataban market massacre” the Japanese Occupying forces were well-behaved. And my mother said, the economic condition during the occupation was not bad at all for most of the town folks, mainly because we were an agriculture base town.
As for the Japanese lack of Apology for the Astrocities of her forces and even the abuse of the “comfort ladies” still speaks for the lack of remorse of the japanese Government for that Decision to go to War in the First place.
Our Government had already apologized for the Internment of Japanese Descendant residents and citizens duration or War and we even apologized for the Head Tax imposed on the relatives of the Chinese Migrants Railroad workers after their labour no longer needed for the railroad constructions and symbolic monetary compensation were also granted…
Those actions the our Government did in the past may be considered correct at the context of time and given the prevailing conditions, but in retrospect, they were wrong and that we accepted and Apologized.
Do we need the Japanese aid or investment or that of China ? To hell we don’t if that’s the only reason for our apologies. We apologize because what our past Governments did were wrong. And so did the Japanese…
here’s my reaction to enrile and joker’s “opposition” to US “meddling”
http://www.politicaljunkie.blogspot.com/2007/03/joker-arroyo-enrile-oppose-us-meddling.html
the ex-commies were given amnesty as a condition to lay down their arms. i don’t recall that cory and ramos admin required them to admit guilt. pero nabigyan na ng amnesty sila. and as far as i can tell, satur, lisa masa and the rest have not resorted to criminal or terrorist activities nung naging above ground na sila.
well, has ramos and enrile admitted being responsible and ordering the abductions, deaths and tortures of anti-marcos dissidents? meron bang admission? 😉
i think the timing of the arrest just reeks of partisan politics. but at least makakasama na niya si comrade crispin (at least napakulong na rin ni marcos si beltran, lol.)
pero wala bang mas bago, like may kinalaman ba si satur sa mga murders at terrorist activities na nangyayari ngayon? seems like puro old stuff kasi yung lumalabas eh.
Ellen,
The arrest and manhandling of Satur Ocampo IS A VINDICTIVE RESPONSE by Gloria moral bansot to the UN rapporteur’s human rights blast and Sen Boxer’s “double sampal” on Gloria.
Esperon, an accessory to Gloria’s extra-judicial killings (by command responsibility), is so harebrained that he cannot see beyond the tip of his little fat nose – he can’t see that going on a vindictive mode to show ’em white guys that Gloria and he (Esperon shithead) control the country is playing right into the hands of those white guys; pretty soon, he and Gloria are gonna be asked to cut and cut cleanly.
Gloria of Pinas and Mugabe of Zimbabwe are gonna get it in the neck pretty soon!
Let’s not stray away from the issue raised by the UN and Senator Boxer, the issue is simple: EXTRA-JUDICIAL KILLINGS by Gloria and Esperon!
John,
Re: pero wala bang mas bago, like may kinalaman ba si satur sa mga murders at terrorist activities na nangyayari ngayon? seems like puro old stuff kasi yung lumalabas eh.
Sabi ko nga – vindictive response ni Gloria at ni Esperon yan! Nothing to do with justice being served!
Gloria wanting justice be served? Whoa! That’s asking too much… When she’s dead and buried, maybe!
nice one, johnmarzan.
Just heard the phone interview of Pia Hontiveros & DILG Usec. Marius Corpus over ANC (ABS-CBN News Channel)..Usec. Corpus said that the plane used in the transfer of Rep. Satur Ocampo was the private plane of Ronnie Puno. Usec. Corpus said na walang expense sa gov’t !
Also, Usec. Corpus said that the Leyte judge hearing the case of Rep. Ocampo called him up (Usec. Corpus) asking for his (Usec. Corpus) opinion regarding the transfer of Rep. Ocampo – which prompted Pia Hontiveros to ask whether this call was a practice.
Chabs,
Absolutely gobsmacking in the extreme.
This is getting hilarious every minute… so absurd, can’t think of what to say.
Did Gloria’s henchmen at DILG believe that they are still in the Medieval Age practicing medieval law?
How can people in Pinas not see that this government is mocking them every step of the way?
Even Zimbabweans (who were once slaves) are more advanced and civilized – they are actually giving Gloria’s twin there, Mugabe a good kicking in the teeth!
Jr-lad, jon M,
napansin din pala ninyo na ang pinoy ay second-class citizen sa japanese dito. stick around. marami pa kayong mapapansin.
sa amerika, maraming amerikanong hilaw daw. sa japan, hapon na hinog.
spartan, zen2,
sang-ayon ako. hindi na dapat pag-alabin pa ang malawak nang sunog sapagkat lalo lamang itong magdudulot ng mas nakalulunos na pagkatupok.
bakit kailangang maghukay pa tayo upang hanapin ang ugat ng laganap na katiwalian samatalang nagdudumilat na sa ating harapan ang sanhi ng lahat ng kaguluhang dinaranas sa kasalukuyan?
Re Yuko’s “The comfort women were on the payroll of the military as the equivalent of the US WACs as a matter of fact. With the military considered illegal after WWII, there was I suppose the question of compensation for lost wages, and the comfort women were affected with a law passed limiting the pensions only to Japanese nationals. ”
True. What Yuko says is supported by historical facts (can be dug from the British war archives too) the Japanese Imperial Army had truckloads of women they recruited either by cajoling them or intimidating them to serve in the mobile brothels of the Japanese Imperial Army.
But there were also Asian women, particularly from the Korean peninsula who were physically coerced into joining the Japanese brothel bandwagon; we cannot say for sure how many but the truth is not all those who were recruited were willing to serve as prostitutes for the Japanese Imperial Army.
Let’s put it this way, the “fault of the women” who were unwilling victims was they did not kill themselves in order to get away from it all. But one cannot really fault them for not killing themselves because not all women have the courage to commit suicide.
Anna de brux,
I am OUTRAGED to say the least ! I’m no communist, but hell, I know a violation when I see one !
Gloria’s gov’t has NO scruples whatsoever – no sense of right from wrong. BULOK, in other words.
What is even appalling is the it seems the people won’t be bothered !
“Even Zimbabweans (who were once slaves) are more advanced and civilized – they are actually giving Gloria’s twin there, Mugabe a good kicking in the teeth!”
The Nazi German Army also had mobile brothels but not as systematic as the Japanese Imperial Army.
All occupying forces committed this ignoble wartime practice. The US occupying forces in Germany may not have done it the way the Japanese and the German armies did it but US military occupation leadership closed their eyes to the existence of brothels to serve US military in the occupied zones.
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“Let’s put it this way, the “fault of the women” who were unwilling victims was they did not kill themselves in order to get away from it all. But one cannot really fault them for not killing themselves because not all women have the courage to commit suicide.”
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KILL THEMSELVES! U N B E L I E V A B L E!.
Chabs,
Same here! No need to be a Commie or a left-wing activist to see that at all. Those who close their eyes need to see eye doctors to have their eye sight repaired.
HNP,
KILL THEMSELVES! U N B E L I E V A B L E!.
You get the gist!
“All occupying forces committed this ignoble wartime practice.”
bakit kaya kailangang i-depensa pa ang ganitong klase ng kahayupan?
anna, babae ka pa naman. kailangang magpakamatay ang babae para hindi ma-rape? anong klaseng reasoning yan?
Anyway, the issue of Japanese sex slaves (which was what these women were) during WW2 is not the issue here today.
Gloria’s turning the Filipinos little by little into slaves of some sort (by procuration) by selling Filipino women to unchartered employment is THE SAME practice these occupying forces did but Gloria has no excuse – this is not WW2 era today!
HNP,
you did not get what I was trying to say, did you! never mind!
HNP,
I am not defending the atrocities on women by the Japanese – I’m stating facts and what I said about women unable to commit suicide is a 2nd degree comment! Gosh, do I have to spell it out for you all the way? If you can’t get it – forget it!
anna, kailangang mag-explain ka dahil hindi lang ako ang nagbabasa ng mga posts mo.
John Marzan,
Precisely why they can still be prosecuted for the crimes of mass murder–it wasnt covered by Ramos amnesty. I cannot believe the callousness of people like Satur who can crow like any trapo that the notoriety he is gaining from this will help him win an election, even as he has been accused of such heinous crimes.
Many commenters here like to preface their posts with “I am not a communist but…” then they go on to defend or rationalise or justify some atrocious thing.
This I would psychologize this as coming from a kind of self-loathing carefully fostered in them by communist propaganda, a form of mass guilty conscience that the nation has not saved the poor nor progressed beyond what America once abandoned here. They do not realize it is the insurgency itself that has held us back through every President and administration, no matter how good, no matter how bad, because it doesn’t matter what any administration or President does. They want their dictatorship and nothing short of that will be good enough.
It is the reason no one is proud of themselves enough to stand up to them and demand we do what most other countries either better or worse than us do…work for change and progress in a peaceful way.
If you cannot denounce the armed struggle, you may as well join it!
Read my post again hindinapinoy…if you let your hormone do the thinking, you will not understand what I say no matter how many times I say it.
“Kung hindi natin ipagtatanggol ang Batas sa bawat pangyayari, kahit na sino pa man ang masaktan o hindi, walang pagasang maparusahan ang mga nagkasala. Iyon ang anarkiya.”
DJB, respect the rule of law ba kamo? did the govt do that when they help Smith escape from his detention? who’s the number one law offender in the country today? they didn’t even bother to wait for the CA decision the reason why sozimo paredes cried foul and resigned(?)from his post. to me that’s a black-eye to our justice system. hindi ba anarkiya yung nangyari base sa definition mo?
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“high risk” daw si satur kaya nagmamadali ang mga autoridad na ilipat eto sa leyte. kesehodang gumastos ang gobyerno ng katakut-takot. kumuha pa ng private plane. ang kinalabasan tuloy parang pinag-joyride lang si satur. mga ungas talaga kung sino man ang nag-uutos sa itaas.
GDSC,
Re “They do not realize it is the insurgency itself that has held us back through every President and administration, no matter how good, no matter how bad, because it doesn’t matter what any administration or President does.”
Wrong! Bad governance is what has held this country back!
anna,
“Bad Governance”
In other words, according to you it is OUR fault: the people for choosing the wrong leaders, the leaders for being corrupt, the nation itself for being flawed or lamed because of the Americans or the Spanish or the Japs. Only a Maoist totalitarian state under the vanguard party and its people’s army can deliver true liberation and progress.
This is the Gospel of Self-Loathing preached by you and the damaged goods called the Dutch and the Frenchified rot of the West.
I rest my case.
Re: In other words, according to you it is OUR fault:
Dean, whose fault should it be if not YOURS, OURS, etc?
You reckon, US of A’s fault?
BAD GOVERNANCE produces little tulisans like the NPAs, bad governance produces pathetic thieves, bad governance turns a beautiful, lovely, fault-less, wonderful, paradise-like American type of democracy in the Philippines into the government that you defend today, Dean!
How wretched Wretchard has completely brainwashed you, Dean!
That’s what happens to lil brown Pinoys who see that US Marines should rule the streets of Pinas!
Re: That’s what happens to lil brown Pinoys who see that US Marines should rule the streets of Pinas!
Much like what they do in Iraq!
The worst aspect of this “self-loathing” is the unverbalized belief that the “root conditions” in the Philippines are so bad that an armed struggle is actually justified. Even though a lot of folks around here preface their comments with “I am no communist but…” they actually believe this form of Philippine exceptionalism. We are not any worse or any better than the average in the developing world, yet we think we deserve the armed struggle, because the communists have terrorized us into thinking that we are. We are unique in the world in how bad we are and how terrible our oppression of the poor is–that is the idea by which the Left justifies its support for the NPA and the armed struggle. It is why people who say they are not communists nonethess can live with tolerating them.
How else can you explain the stunning successes and noble contributions that Filipinos everywhere else in the world are able to make. But not here! It’s the same “corrupt” people who are responsible for your “bad governance” that elsewhere are admired, appreciated, rich and successful. Is it because the people of those other countries are so much better than them that they are instantly able to transform them into great human beings.
Quit preaching this self-loathing Anna and help Filipinos see how much they have been hypnotized into inutility by it!
No Anna. Wretchard learned it from me! Excuse me.
Anna, There you go again. Blaming America when even your Leftist ideology is so American, so recognizably Anti imperialist league, so colonial mentality. Even when I lived in America, I bested the competition and won the respect of every American I have ever known, at least those who know that humanity is no monopoly of theirs. Nor greatness. Nor vision. Nor strength. Pride. That is what we must learn! Not hate, especially not hatred for ourselves!
How can you make such stupid blanket statement “Left justifies its support for the NPA and the armed struggle”
Have you actually gotten down to interviewing every single leftist activist in that God-forsaken 2nd Zimbabwe of yours (Pinas) to be so self-assured, Dean?
How extraordinary that you LUMP all those people into one pathetic unequivocal statement of yours. Has it occured to you at all, in your enlightened American mind that there is no justification to extra-judicial killings, commited by either Gloria and Esperon or by the NPAs?
That doesn’t have to be a a Lil Brown American like you to CONDEMN EXTRA JUDICIAL KILLINGS WHEREVER THEY ARE COMMITTED OR WHOEVER COMMITS THEM?
What’s so difficult to understand there Dean?
Kung si Ka Satur ay hinuli para sa kapakanan ng bayan, tuloy po kayo. Subalit si Ka Satur ay hinuli dahil siyay tinik sa lalamunan ng dilag sa palasyo, balakid ang party list sa trono ng “hindi lihitimong” lider. Ganito na katinde ang situation, hindi po aalis sa trono ang dilag kahit tapos na ang 2010.
Gising na Bayan panahon nanaman ng kadiliman.
Re: “Not hate, especially not hatred for ourselves!”
There you go again, over-simplification, generalization, simple tag! You believe that when people castigate extra-judicial killings in the 2nd Zimbabwe (Pinas), that’s because of hatred for ourselves? What kind of cheap shot is that?
Who hates what?
When you said, “They do not realize it is the insurgency itself that has held us back through every President and administration, no matter how good…”
Why can’t you accept that RP’s record of BAD GOVERNANCE is what has held this country back, etc., etc.?
Anna: The Nazi German Army also had mobile brothels but not as systematic as the Japanese Imperial Army.
*****
What the ignoramuses do not know, Anna, is that there is a big difference between the comfort women and those women who became victims of gang rapes. At least, now there are NGOs helping victims of such atrocities even by their own countrymen as in the case of those women raped in Kosovo and Serbia.
The comfort women were drafted. My mother-in-law said that they voluntarily joined the army out of needs perhaps because those were hard times the same way that Filipino women of today allow themselves to be recruited for work in brothels overseas because of hard life.
My own mother has never heard of those Filipino comfort women but she sure knew about those Japanese, Korean and Taiwanese women catering to their soldiers during the war. She has heard of women being gang raped even by Filipino guerrillas of women they suspect of conniving with the enemies but never Filipino women being drafted to serve as comfort women of sex-hungry soldiers! At least, she says that she has never heard of Japanese soldiers raping young boys and lad the way they say US soldiers do in Iraq!!!
The comfort women, in short, were on the payroll. The victims of gang rapes were not. Raping women and even men is apparently the scourge of war that has become much worse in our time but people the world over still gloat to pass their time and waste their lives, money and everything. Now, even men are not safe. They can fall victims to sex perverts being drafted into the military.
Insensitive? What a crap! At least, I know a lot of my friends in the government and those who are not are spending fortunes to help stop these wars. Sobra namang magsasalita ang mga salbaheng ito. I still have to see a Filipino in fact doing charity in Afghanistan for instance without fuss and publicity!!!
Yuko,
Frankly, I don’t understand why some people have to bring WW2 brothels into the issue of Satur here.
The issue is Gloria’s turning Pinas into one big brothel – not the Japanese.
Heheheh, you’re out of your depth, Dean with your “Blaming America when even your Leftist ideology is so American,”…
Because I say NO to extra-judicial killings, I am a leftist ideologue blamng America? Whoa!
Now, if I say Yes to Extra-JUDICIAL killings, I would be a neo-con and so that’s acceptable? Heh!
Ellen,
Nakita naman natin kung paano “DINUKOT” ng mga awtoridad si Satur. Imagine tuwing madaling araw nila ginagawa ang pagdukot habang tulog ang mga tao. Kung nagagawa nila ito sa mga kilalang tao ay lalong kayang-kaya nila dumukot ng pangkaraniwang mamamayan. Magtataka pa ba tayo kung maraming missing persons lalo na mga aktibista?
Now, if I say my ideology belongs to right of Atila the Hun’s, maybe that’s more acceptable, eh?
Luz:
Ganyan din ang ginawa nang dinukot si Smith, iyong horny na sundalong kano! At least, iyon para daw iligtas iyong kano. Pero itong kaso ni Cong. Ocampo, para siya ipapatay tapos ibibintang sa NPA. Nice try!
Here is what you said Anna: “That’s what happens to lil brown Pinoys who see that US Marines should rule the streets of Pinas!”
Who exactly are you talking about?
Anna, i do find it strange that you’re being accused of being a ‘leftist’ just because of your stand against extra-judicial killings. I remember you were telling me how you greatly admired Margaret Thatcher, and i’ve read from your blog that you plan to support Conservative candidate Nikolas Sarkozy. Historically, the Neocons are the ones who are on the ‘left’ as their movement can trace its roots back to Leon Trotsky, the founder of the Soviet Red Army.
Luz,
Re Kung nagagawa nila ito sa mga kilalang tao ay lalong kayang-kaya nila dumukot ng pangkaraniwang mamamayan.
GDSC once quipped that he would have liked the US to invade Pinas back (and by extension have US Marines patrolling the streets of Pinas), maybe that’s a solution – likes of Satur will be kidnapped during daylight instead… how ’bout that?
At least we know Satur is in Leyte and not in Guantanmo Bay.
Anna,
You are against extrajudicial killings? Well, when your harmless commie idols put their victims through Kangaroo Courts before inopacan nila, I suppose you think that doesn’t qualify as extrajudicial?
cvj,
Right! Hahahah!
GDSC likes to hear the sound of his voice, that’s why, so he convinces himself that he’s right all the time…
GDSC,
Oh, I have commie idols? Geez, amazing that you know something I myself don’t about myself!
Extraordinary!
cvj,
For the record and it’s in my blog: I’m not just “planning to support” Sarkozy, I AM SUPPORTING SARKOZY ALL THE WAY and who knows when the plan for the French invasion of Pinas comes up, I might join GDSC. His US Marines and our French Marines would start kidnapping many more Saturs in BROAD DAYLIGHT THIS TIME!
How about that Dean?
Anna: Frankly, I don’t understand why some people have to bring WW2 brothels into the issue of Satur here.
The issue is Gloria’s turning Pinas into one big brothel – not the Japanese.
*****
Sinabi mo pa, Anna. Gusto lang magpasiklab na kunyari may alam sila!!! I’ve done my own research on these comfort women as a matter of fact, and had interviewed women as old as my aunt, who is now 92, and witnessed the war in the Philippines and none in fact had heard of the Filipino comfort women until Nelia Sancho started parading these women who could even be infants during the war. This is why Japan will never apologize for it, especially when those responsible for the war have already paid for it with their lives, and Japan paid their dues with sweat and blood of the people of Japan who were likewise victims themselves.
As a Japanese citizen not responsible for that war (we suffered for discrimination, ostracism, etc. in fact because of this war), I naturally would not want additional tax money we pay to the government to be paid to bogus governments like that of the Philippines and see our blood money squandered,and the supposed benificient not really getting anything from it.
Tarantado talaga. Buti nga tumutulong ang mga hapon sa pagliligtas kay Cong. Ocampo. Kundi baka natepok na iyan ngayon! First to sound the cry against the extrajudicial killings among the foreigners, mga hapon as a matter of fact. The Chief Prosecutor in the PPT now in The Hague is in fact a Japanese!!! Talk of being useful to mankind!!!
Anna:
You missed a wonderful; funny quote from Spartan earlier today, he said “seems that your reply was about why pigs don’t sweat, when my question to you was why rats keep on gnawing on woods”
Yuko,
Well, seems Pinoys are not the only ones looking for their lost loved ones whom they suspect are victims of extra-judicial killings…
NY Times 19 March reveals “For Many Iraqis, Hunt for Missing Is Never-Ending
By DAMIEN CAVE
Searching for missing relatives has become an obsession for Iraqis caught in an endless loop of inquiry and disappointment.”
See? That’s why some people say Pinas is the 2nd Iraq, ooops, sorry, 1st Iraq…
WWNL, oh, yeah, missed that – will scroll back up to read Spartan’s comment, thanks!
Ystakei,
YOU are the one always bringing the Nipponese into the discussion. Just look at almost every post you put in. Japanese this and Japanese that. This compulsive obsession with GMA and an instance that she is the fount of all evil is exactly what like rats gnawing on wood. Dontya know you are preaching and screeching at the choir here? Dontya think we already know all that. It’s disordered you know, like a form of Tourette’s Disease, this need to cuss and invent new insults. It was funny the first 5,678 times, but it’s really getting tiresome. Sorry!
Kung sinasabi nila na ang mga komunista ay may underground armed group na NPA, mayroon din ang ating gobyerno ngayon under the masterminds “Partners-in-Crime” na sina Gloria/Esperon …iyon ang underground military berdugos, headed by Palparan, who are doing the extra-judicial killings! WE ARE ALREADY ON A WAR!
Okay, let’s hear it from the Man hisself…published in the Manila Times:
False charges of murder and robbery
are mere propaganda rubbish from Arroyo regime0
By Prof. Jose Maria Sison , Chief political consultant National Democratic Front
So long as the Arroyo regime remains in power, there will be a constant flow of false charges of murder and robbery against me, whenever the New People’s Army inflicts death casualties and seizes arms and other military equipment in tactical offensives against the military and police forces in the Philippines.
Hundreds of such complaints have been filed against me by the Philippine military and police before government prosecutors and judges. These complaints amount to nothing but propaganda rubbish from the desperately isolated and brutal Arroyo regime. Quite a number of these cases have been either outrightly dismissed or archived by the relatively more sensible prosecutors and judges, with or without the representation of my lawyers, because of the sheer lack of evidence and the lack of jurisdiction over my person.
The recent internationally reported charge of multiple murder in Leyte against Bayan Muna Rep. Satur Ocampo, myself and 52 others and the more recent charge of murder and robbery in Masbate are part of the hundreds of false charges made against me.
Under the direction of National Security Adviser Norberto Gonzales, the Interagency Legal Action Group is under orders to complete 1,500 false charges against me before the end of the May 2007 election. What a waste of public money for producing propaganda trash!
The latest move of the Philippine National Police (PNP) is to propagandize its supposed request to the International Criminal Police Commission/Organization (Interpol) to issue “red notices” to seek the arrest of myself and the NDFP negotiating panel chairman Luis Jalandoni for the purpose of extradition to the Philippines on the basis of a valid judicial warrant. But there is no extradition treaty between the Netherlands and the Philippines!
I am used to false charges that come and go. These are cheaply fabricated by the Manila government. Remember that the 1998 charge of subversion against me was nullified by the repeal of the Antisubversion Law in 1992 and that the 1991 charge of multiple murder against me was dismissed by the Manila prosecutors in 1994 as something based on sheer speculation. In 1998 the secretary of justice of the Ramos government certified that there was no pending criminal charge against me. But since 2003 the Arroyo regime has the practice of fabricating false charges against me.
On my part, I am not at all worried by the false charges being made against me by the military and police minions of the Arroyo regime. I laugh off all of them. Below are the strong factual and legal grounds for my confidence.
First, the charges are so patently false, malicious and politically motivated.
Second, the whole world knows that the leadership of the Communist Party of the Philippines and the command of the NPA are in the Philippines and not in the Netherlands.
Third, I am protected by Article 3 and entirety of the European Convention on Human Rights and Refugee Convention.
Fourth, there is no extradition treaty between the Dutch and Philippine governments.
Fifth, under Philippine law itself, I am outside of the custody and jurisdiction of the Philippine government and cannot be arraigned and tried on any charge.
The Arroyo regime is trying to show off that it can put down its Filipino critics anywhere in the world. But it only succeeds in exposing its callous intolerance for my exercise of the freedom of speech and its contempt for fundamental democratic rights. It has ignored the findings and conclusions of fact-finding missions by human-rights organizations, international civic organizations, religious organizations and the UN special rapporteurs on various aspects of human rights.
The Arroyo regime is intensifying its campaign of vilification against me in a futile attempt to counter the impending Permanent People’s Tribunal in The Hague, Netherlands, from March 21 to 25, which shall try the case of the Filipino people against the Arroyo regime and its imperialist accomplices headed by the US, on the three major charges of human-rights violations, economic plunder and transgression of Philippine national sovereignty. The case has been filed by families of the victims of human-rights violations, human-rights organizations, Bayan and the Ecumenical Bishops’ Forum, among others.
There are various bloggers with various interest and opinions, its up to each and every blogger either to read or ignore comments posted. As for me I find comments about Japan interesting especially by someone who knows the subject.
Dean,
Been telling you for ages what Joma has been saying.
If all things fail, why not ask the US of A to kidnap Joma, after all he’s on the State Dept list of Terrorists and have him brought to Guantanamo Bay… US of A’s CIAs have been doing this. Will that be acceptable to you?
Note that Joma claims the entire leadership of the CPP NPA is IN the Philippines. How convenient. It’s just like when he was in jail when the paranoid purges occurred. See, there are no communists anywhere, just political consultants, peaceful militants, unarmed activists and freedom fighters. And there’s your line about “no extradition treaty” Anna. He can’t be touched. He’s protected by European humanitarian law. And of course Ara Mina claims she is not an acquaintance. Must be the sweatless pigs and wood-chewing rats doing all that confiscation of arms, blowing up cell sites, extorting from the farmers, and killing each other.
You realize that Gloria perhaps cannot ask the old US of A to do that because SHE HERSELF went into a covenant with Joma through Satur so that SHE could supply the warm bodies that Angie demanded so he could mutiny and topple Erap?
Has that occurred to you yet Dean? In that case, in the spirit of fair play, don’t you think those two (Joma and Gloria) should be sent to Guantanamo Bay together?
Tell you what, Dean that’s why I said earlier on that I’m to the right of Atila the Hun, I wouldn’t mind those two holding hands on Guantanamo Bay!
Problem with you is you don’t listen to what others tell you. You imagine you know what’s on the mind of others and then goes on to tag (do you know that tagging is illegal in other countries?)
Dean,
Re: “And there’s your line about “no extradition treaty” Anna.”
But THERE IS NO EXTRADITION TREATY with the Dutch because Pinas has not pushed for one! Why don’t you ask Ed Ermita!
They’ve left in the backburner and don’t want to raise it at all. Don’t twist things. It’s Pinas that’s got to push for one if it wants it!
Those two are eligible to stand charged of crimes against humanity. There is no difference between the two!
Let’s hear you say that Dean and then we can agree to disagree! Otherwise, I will believe you don’t really want justice served; that you’re happy for Pinas to become second fiddle to Zimbabwe and happier to have Gloria play twin to Robert Mugabe!
The CPP is the only legal organization we know about with no known office address, no Chairman or President or Secretary general, no members, no support staff, no fax machine or email. Yet the Philippine govt is about to be put “on trial” courtesy of Euroleftists who used to fund them to the tune of 5 million dollars a year. It has an army that has the Philippine Armed Forces fighting for its life, but no, it doesn’t get support from anybody, not even pork barrel, it doesn’t recruit from any other legal organization, it has no fronts, no one helping it at all to get guns, ammo, food, medicine, intelligence, propaganda support, but it is advancing steadily on all fronts and any time now the great masses of the Filipino people will rise up behind its great red banners to defeat the class enemies and foreign imperialists.
Is that what you want people to believe Anna? That GMA is the cause of all our problems? Just get rid of her and all will be well in your beloved Pinas?
Wow, that much, eh? “the Philippine govt is about to be put “on trial” courtesy of Euroleftists who used to fund them to the tune of 5 million dollars a year.”
Geez, didn’t know that being a leftie is good business.
Nope, I don’t honestly believe that Gloria is the cause OF ALL OF OUR PROBLEMS (Did I say that? Did anybody here say that?) We got to start somewhere and would be downright stupid to blame it on me so she being at the helm of your beloved Zimbabwe Jr (Pinas), she’s gotta take the heat.
What’s bugging me though is that YOU BELIEVE SHE IS NOT CAUSING PROBLEMS… going softie on our bansot friend there, eh, Dean and so don’t wanna get rid of her anymore?
And I thought men like to say that women liked to change their mind… geez!
GSDC
kahit ang isang maliit na negosyo ng sari sari store kailangang personal na imanage para lang maging grocery store… ano pa kaya ang isang labanan na mahigit 30 tain na?
kahit nga yung super power na US forces kailangang may ground commanders sa kabila ng sophisticated na satellite commnication systems para lang maging efficient tapos pinag duduldulan mo na nasa Utrecht ang command center? tsk tsk tsk anong klaseng paliwanag yan GSDC!
nagpupumilit ka ng arguments tungkol sa killing fields eh yung process ng pagsampa ng kaso kay satur di mo nakikita. darating ang argumento tungkol dyan sa killing fileds na yan… wag kang mainip… lalabas yan sa korte kung sino talaga ang may pakana nyan… after na majustify mo muna ang merit ng arrest ni ka satur… oo nga pala GSDC… yung witness na sinasabi ng AFP… isa nga pala desaparecido…
http://www.bulatlat.com/news/7-7/7-7-witness.htm
STOP KA SATUR’s HARASSMENT!!!
FREE SATUR NOW!!!
JAIL THE MURDERER IN MALACANANG!!!
Now, how about going into neo-con business? Tell you what, billions of dollars into neo-con business… Heh! 5 million Euros peanuts!
Hey GSDC!
yung witness kuno ng AFP isa palang desaparecido…
http://www.bulatlat.com/news/7-7/7-7-witness.htm
ano masasabi mo?
Simple lang naman ang dapat gawin ng gobyerno eh, UBUSIN ANG NPA! Yan ang dapat nilang gawin dahil iyan ang bawal sa ating batas. Hindi ang pagiging militante at lumalaban sa mga katiwalian. Kung maaubos nila ang NPA at pati na amg mga Moro rebel movement, eh di wala nang uutusan ang mga sinasabi nilang mga leader nito. Ang kaso mukhang di kayang labanan ng sabayan ng ating mga pipitsuging militar! Palibhasa walang inaatupag ang leadership ni Esperon kundi ang magkamal ng pera at magpasasa sa kapangyarihan.
Whatever Lola wants, Lola gets! She has been consolidating the pillars of her power.
For a witch, her flight is boosted with a brew of eccentrics steering with canine loyalty from top to bottom and vice versa. The nemesis of the communists is one of her copilots. How much more when we embark on a unilateral setup? Lola would have taken everything and nothing left for us. To stop all these bizarre speculations we start with damage control at the polls. The GO will finish her. Its already programmed in its DNA. But the worst thing that will follow is a coup from the top to sidetrack a proclamation of martial law congress may not want to give her.
Sa palagay ay handa naman ni Satur na harapin ang mga kaso sa kanya basta lang ipatupad ang batas at ang kanyang mga karapatan. Dapat lang na maparusahan ang mga may kasalanan. Ganun din naman na dapat din managot at maparusahan ang mga taong may kinalaman sa Election 2004 Cheating, AgriFund Scam, PCSO Scam, Philhealth scam, IMPSA, NAIA3, Macapagal Blvd., Extrajudicial Killing at iba pa.
Golly, Anna, what kind of idiots do they have in the Philippines now? Look, Ocampo was pardoned during the Aquino administration, and his sins covers everything he did when he was running in th mountains with his fellow communists, a name in fact I find funny being applied to him and his wife as I find them more burgis than the commies I know in Japan!!! 😛
All these idiots who say they can spot a commie when they see one is definitely bluffing! How can one say one is a commie when in fact he has not come across a geniune communist? Just because one is againts the creep in the palace by the murky river does not make one a commie! I would say that the Tiyanak is more evil than even perhaps Joma Sison!
I have not even heard anyone talking about some statute of limitation that is a legal procedure in a lot many advanced and progressive society. I suppose no one has even heard of such thing in the Philippines, and even if they have such law, because it is copied as is in English, not many really understand what it is all about. Kawawang mga biktima ng injustice! Puro JUST-TIIS na lang!!!
tilamsik says: “hindi po aalis sa trono ang dilag kahit tapos na ang 2010.”
tilamsik, tama ka. at iyan ang gustong mangyari ni anthony scalia kaya ganyan na lamang ang panggagalaiti niya sa mga nagtatalak dito.
pero, dilag? mali siguro. dahil ang isang dilag ay may dangal na wala si gloria. bruha puwede pa.
Hehehe, Yuko, I had the same impression of Satur here but never mind, appearances can be deceiving and I wouldn’t like to say that Satur has become a neo-con in spite of his bourgeois get up.
But tell you what, I have a suspicion that if Dubya Bush rose to the occasion, you know being statesman like and the whole caboodle, and denounced extra-judicial killings in Pinas, Dean would brand him a Commie lover.
Oh, well… hope am wrong.
Spartan,
Talagang si Tianak ang isyu ngayon at wala ng iba pa. Kaya lang ako nakapag-kwento ay para iparating sa kaibigan Cocoy na hindi siya nag-iisa dito na nakaranas ng lupit ng NPA/tulisan.
Gayunpaman, bilib ako sa aking lolo dahil pagkatapos ng insidente at gumaling ay naunawaan pa rin niya ang roots kung bakit may mga tao sa bundok.
Ang aking puntos ay parusahan ang dapat parusahan pero tiyakin na ang taong ito ang gumawa at hindi framed up lang para gawing exhibit kay Uncle Sam para manatili sa pwesto ang baliw na babaeng walang batas-batas.
Balik tayo sa isyung tunay: Extra judicial killings ni Tianak at Assperon!
Know what Chi? My Dad used to co-own a ranch in Isabela with the Escalers – he closed down the frigging operations coz a cow got cownapped everyday! Hahahah! Revolutionary taxes daw.
Then he went to Lanao del Sur and set up a plantation – frigging MILF used to burn down parts of the plantation too. He had to have a private army to secure the plantation.
My brother started a sugar plantation co-op. Frigging guys from left and right would ask for abuloys. So, he’s given that that up and bundled his entire family and went to Manila recently.
When I met Satur here, I told him, it’s guys like you who did in good-minded Pinoys and told him what the NPAs did to our ranch in Isabela… He was giggling lang.
Said the same thing to Joma Sison to his face. Let’s have those guys who don’t like Joma say that to his face!
kung ang pag-uusapan ay ang tungkol sa mga karahasang inihahasik ng magkabilang panig, CPP/NPA at AFP-PNP na ang nagdudurusa at nagiging kawawang biktima ay ang maliliit na taong bayang naiipit sa kanilang pagbabanggaan, masasabing illegal at hindi ayon sa batas ang armadong pakikibakang isinasagawa ng mga kasapi ng maka-kaliwang grupo gayundin ang pang-aabuso sa karapatang pantao ng mga elemento ng sandatahang lakas at pambansang pulisya.
ang pagtatamasa ng kapayapaan ay nakasalalay sa kamay ng mga nasa poder at upang makamit ang pagkakaisa ay marapat lamang na kung ano ang itinatadhana ng kapangyarihang isinasaad sa saligang batas ay ‘yung lamang sana ang kanilang ipatupad. subalit paano magkakaroon ng pagkakasundo sundo kung ang unang lumalabag sa batas ay ‘yung siyang dapat na magpatupad?
Magno, sang-ayon ako diyan!
CPP/NPA at AFP-PNP na ang nagdudurusa at nagiging kawawang biktima ay ang maliliit na taong bayang naiipit sa kanilang pagbabanggaan…
Luzviminda,
Ang sabi ko nga ay wala na halos pumapansin sa mga NPAs pero pilit na binubuhay ng mag-partner na Tianak at Assperon for their own selfish ambitions/needs!
At saka ang karamihan sa NPAs ay bodyguards na ngayon ng mga local officials, nasa patag na sila!
Apoy, paki ulit mo nga dito ang poste mo tungkol sa NPAs. Napapanahon na naman.
Joeseg, kung nasaan ka man, nanggugulo pa ba gaya ng dati sa mga tao ang mga NPAs sa bundok ng Quezon?
Ang alam ko, sa dating NPA infested bundoks sa Bataan ay isa-isa na lang at hindi na takot ang mga tao sa kanila dahil ang mga gumagawa ng kidnappings at ibang kalokohan ay iyong mga remnants na naging tulisan na!
Anna: But there were also Asian women, particularly from the Korean peninsula who were physically coerced into joining the Japanese brothel bandwagon; we cannot say for sure how many but the truth is not all those who were recruited were willing to serve as prostitutes for the Japanese Imperial Army.
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These Korean women, Anna, were actually considered subjects of Japan, and Japayukis recruited “against their will” to do prostituting in Japan in our days are no different as a matter of fact.
I’ve actually interviewed some of these Korean women who requested anonymity, and shyly admitted that it was for tjhe promise of the 3 meals a day and the special treatment especially if they would serve the high ranking officials of the military that we can also find depicted in movies on the Germans like the new Dutch movie named “Zwartboek.” It was merely for survival.
I thought in fact that Filipino women during WWII were too decent to be used as comfort women. My mother said so as she prided herself with saying that before and during WWII, there were no prostitutes in the Philippines, only “kabit”!
Now, you see them everywhere even as their country’s so-called “ambassadors of ill will!” courtesy of the Tiyanak squatting at the palace by the murky river.
Nakakasuka!!!
This should read, “These Korean women, Anna, were actually considered subjects of Japan, and Japayukis recruited “against their will” to do prostituting in Japan in our days are no different as a matter of fact except that the Filipino women are not subject of Japan but of the wannabe Queen of some Enchanted Kingdom!!!”
Sa ganang, akin communist are also human beings. They are God created they have one head, two arms and two feet. Communism is an ideology, like democracy it is a form of government. Ideology can be defeated only by another idoelogy but definitely not by barrel of a gun. Kahit patayin lahat at ibaon sa lupa ang mga komunista, hindi magagapi ang idea. Susulpot at susulpot pa rin ang ideology. Bakit? Ang komunismo ay parang kabute kung saan ang marumi doon sila tutubo. Kung saan ang kahirapan, gutom, social injustice, social imbalance, level between super rich and super poor, corruption, etc… sigurado tutubo ang kabute.
Siguro ang dapat gawin ng gobyerno para magapi ang kalaban, mag umpisa ng maglinis, gumawa ng matino, tanggalin ang corrupt sa pwesto. Now, kung malilinis ang gobyerno at maimplementa ang social justice, social equality. Ala eh! itaga mo sa bato wala ng tutubong kabute. (Ginawa po yan sa Singapore ni PM Lee Kwan Yu).
Kaya lang kung mag umpisa ng maglinis ang gobyerno natin, dapat si Gloria ang unang susunugin! (yun lang!)
Chi,
“At saka ang karamihan sa NPAs ay bodyguards na ngayon ng mga local officials, nasa patag na sila!”
Nakupo! After that revelation, Gloria’s Esperon will harrass each and every bodyguard of each and every local official, hunt them down and bury them. After a few months, they will say, “Skeletons, found skeletons, yohooooo! NPAs at it again! Yohooooo!”
cocoy,
Magkapatid nga pala ang bundok ng Zambales at Bataan ano, kaya meron tayong experience noon courtesy of ‘taong-bundok’.
Anna,
Ang iba nga who were pardoned by Cory noon are now local politicians. Kaya patay na halos ang movement. As you said, ego na lang ni Joma ang buhay. hahahah!
Anna: But tell you what, I have a suspicion that if Dubya Bush rose to the occasion, you know being statesman like and the whole caboodle, and denounced extra-judicial killings in Pinas, Dean would brand him a Commie lover.
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My friends in the International Action Center in New York and SFO do not call the Dubya a communists, but I have heard of people in the US (Americans) claiming that Dubya is in fact a neo-Nazi! 😛 Parang si Hitler nga ang itsura ng ungas!
Yuko,
South Americans too depicted him as the new Hitler, matter of fact, got a pic under “General Patraeus and Pres Bush’s US ’empire'” – http://www.hillblogger3.blogspot.com/2007_03_01_hillblogger3_archive.html
Chi:
Kaya nga inggit iyong non-confirmed DOJ Sickretary SiRaulO, and wants all partylists related to Joma purged!!! Iyan ba ang democratic?
BTW, guys, the Chinese call their country officially as the People’s Republic of China, no mention of communism as a matter of fact! The “Jinmin” in the official name of their country is more or less indication of being democratic.
Tilamsik,
How absolutely right you are: “Ideology can be defeated only by another idoelogy but definitely not by barrel of a gun. Kahit patayin lahat at ibaon sa lupa ang mga komunista, hindi magagapi ang idea.”
Karl von Clauswitz, the military strategist said that no invading army, no matter how mighty can defeat the people’s power of resistance (ideology).
What he meant was that an opposing ideology must be taken into account because that is more powerful than all the guns trained by the military to those they want to vanquish.
In the same vein that General David Patraeus himself has turned the US military doctrine in Iraq 180° so the US military has now realized that MILITARY SOLUTION alone is not THE SOLUTION to vanquish the enemy. They’ve now adopted British General Templar’s winning formula in the Malaya Peninsula: win hearts and minds (give them frigging jobs, health care, education, stability and the military might just vanquish the little people caught in the crossfire between Joma Sison and Gloria Bansot.
GSDC,
what’s this i read at Admiral Quixote’s Roundtable? Don Quixote posted this on january 8, 2004:
Pero mas gusto ko ang tawag ni Hugo Chavez kay Bush–“El Diablo! El Terrible Demonio!” 😛 Kulang na lang sabihin, “Salot!” like the pest inside the palace by the murky river!
Golly, ginawang pingpong si Ocampo! Nag-aksaya pa ng pera ng bayan. Ang mahal ng arkila sa mga eroplano sa totoo lang. Iyong gasolinang ginamit, wow, bawas na naman ang pera ng kaban.
Enough is enough! These idiots in the AFP and DoJ should be held responsible for their complete disregard for the rule of law. Sipain na si Pandak! Hanggang kailan ba magtitiis ang mga pilipino.
We will have a protest rally in Tokyo on Wednesday. We invite all concerned Filipinos to join us.
BAYCAS! NO! NO! YOU GOTTA BE WRONG!
Whaddya mean?
GDSC may be a lil brown american neo-con but I don’t think he would go as far as to serve Gloria just because he’s upset with Satur Ocampo?
bocobo’s right, satur shouldn’t be “crowing” about anything.
And the same thing can happen to Lacson and Binay too. If the admin can do this to ocampo and beltran, malamang pwede rin gawin ito kay lacson (buyahin ang kuratong baleleng case) at kay binay (DILG’s corruption case vs. him) at a future date.
Buti na lang sa admin, walang napaparusahan. tignan mo na lang yung hello garci case at lahat ng mga tao na involved dito. wala ni isa ang nakulong o naparusahan dito.
(except for gudani and balutan, course).
I don’t think ocampo is guilty of what the admin is accusing him of (nasa kulungan pa siya dati when the incident occured)– but i know one sure way for him to get his freedom back–and that is to stop attacking the admin and become pro-arroyo like pichay, nograles, lagman etc. 😆
in a way, questioning arroyo’s legitimacy after hello garci was the worst thing that ever happened to the lefty party listers. IMO, they’re endangered species under this corrupt, illegitimate and amoral regime.
nobody’s defending terrorism and the heinous crimes, d. but i do have my doubts re the case vs. satur, and i question the timing of his arrest.
i think the admin’s effort to sort of justify targeting the lefty party listers after the UN report found the military responsible for the killings is making things worse.
Arroyo’s legitimacy problems is really at the heart of why there’s an effort to wipe out the above ground leftists. rally kasi ng rally. hindi kasi natauhan sa CPR. e di isa isa silang patayin.
nakakatakot magsalita si godsaved. makes me think twice about defending the party listers.
siguro isang witch si anna! lol.
anna,
here’s the link:
http://www.solport.com/roundtable/archives/000344.php
Tilamsik: Sa ganang, akin communist are also human beings.
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Sinabi mo pa. Mas mukhang tao nga sina Satur Ocampo, et al kesa doon sa mga baboy sa Malacanang e. At least, si Ocampo may manners. Iyong tabatsoy at Tiyanak wala kahit bihisan mo ng mamahalin. Golly, haharap sa emperador ng Japan ng naka-jeans kaya taranta ang mga taga-embassy na humanap ng tuxedo for rent para sa matabang baboy na katulad niya! Kuwento ng isang witness na nagtinginan na nga lang ang mga hapon na bantay!!!
Sila ang tao kasi may malasakit sila sa mga maliliit sa Pilipinas di gaya noong mga baboy na ipinagmamalaki pang mayaman daw sila kundi pa natin alam kung papaano yumaman ang mga magulang nila. Ang baho-baho ng background and trying hard to wipe out the smell with the name of some Catholic saint. Kaso, hindi naman ako bilib sa mga santo ng Catholic because I am not a Catholic!!!
John,
Ah – reminds me of the witchhunts in Salem.
Hmmm… you think I should defend Gloria’s killings so I could get back in the good graces of Godsavethecon?
JohnM: Many commenters here like to preface their posts with “I am not a communist but…”
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Sinong pinatatamaan ng ungas? Sinabi ko naman na hindi ako Communist kasi I am a die-hard “Socialist”! I did not say “but.” I said “because”. May reklamo? 😛 Gunggong din ano?
Anna,
Not witchhunt in Salem. Blairwitch Project. Hoax pala!!!:-P
anna,
i posted the link to Admiral Quixote’s blog. please wait (if ever ellen will make it appear).
it was part of the good admiral’s political predictions in 2004…he said:
Hahahahah! Yuko, “Mas mukhang tao nga sina Satur Ocampo,”
Bakit mas mukhang tao si Satur? Dahil talakgan mukhang baboy si Pidal at ang asawa niya mukhang Penguin (na may suot na flippers?)?
Hahahahahahah!
Baycas,
Delete the http:// bit of the link and start with www. the link might just appear if you post it that way. Thanks!
Baycas,
Suggestion: Delete the h t t p – bit of the link and start it with www. – there’s a chance the link will appear here.
Thanks.
Thanks Baycas, just accessed it.
Heh! I reckon it’s a joke (did the the fun thinggy)…
K, m off – gotta go to work and must concentrate! Frigging Gloria shithead is distracting me! Hahahahha!
(Believe it or not, coz I was so into this Gloria shit, I mis-sent an e-mail, punched the ok button right away and guy’s e-mail addy starts with E L… etc so it got sent to a fellow in NATO when it was destined for Ellen re Joma’s ego is all that’s left alive) Hahahahahahah!
Fellow returned the e-mail with a comment, “Thanks for latest info on Philippines govt but think you had better send it to EU Commission” Frigging ‘ell! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
some believe jokes are half-meant truths…maybe GSDC knows the other half…hahaha!
Any lawyers here? I wonder if:
-the 25-year(?) statute of limitations apply in Ka Satur’s case?
-a sitting government can rescind an amnesty granted by a previous government (in this case, Cory Aquino’s revolutionary government)
One may love Ka Satur, one may hate him. If one believes that an injustice is being commited against Ka Satur, he must react. What is being done to Ka Satur may soon be done to others if we allow this cycle to continue.
at that time in 2004, no. i don’t believe dean was arroyo’s karl rove or anything like that.
Anna, that’s funny!
GodSaveDConstitution Says:
Here is what you said Anna: “That’s what happens to lil brown Pinoys who see that US Marines should rule the streets of Pinas!”
Who exactly are you talking about?
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Omigosh! Humihingi ng crayon si GSDC? Ganoon din si HNP… Hey Ana, are you conducting a kindergarten class at Ellenland? tsk tsk tsk ..
GodSaveDConstitution Says:
Ystakei,
YOU are the one always bringing the Nipponese into the discussion. Just look at almost every post you put in. Japanese this and Japanese that.
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Socrates said: Those who live in the shadows get irritated when brought to the light. Keep up the valiant effort, my good friend YStakei. You are making a dent on makapal at the palace by the murky river.
Chi;
Tama ka ang bundok ng Zambales,Tarlac,Pampanga,Pangasinan at Bataan ay magkakadugtong kaya pinamumugaran ng mga NPA.Pero mas gusto nila sa Zambales kasi busog sila.
Sa akin naman kung may pananagutan sa batas si Satur ay parusahan,kung wala ay pakawalan.Ganon na rin kay Joma,kung talaga inosente siya ayun sa kanya bakit hindi siya umuwi ng Pilipinas at harapin ang ibinibintang sa kanya.
Cocoy, kaya nga ang mga kapatid na aetas ay ayaw umalis sa bundok ninyo dahil marami silang natural food doon.
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Ang sarap ng buhay ni Joma sa Utrecht, hindi na ‘yan uuwi ng Pinas. S’ya ay burgis na!
Chi;
Mga aetas nga ang mga ibang tenant namin kasi takot na iyong mga iba na pumunta sa paanan ng bundok.
Masarap palang maging plain reader lang ng mga discussions dito. Talaga namang very credible sina Anna at Ystakei! And they Know what they’re talking about! Hep, Hep, hurray, sa inyong dalawa!
About Satur, tama ang ginawa niyang mag-surrender, kaso nga lang, wala namang nirerespetong batas ang mga namumuno sa atin! Palagay ko, simple lang ang message ni Tiyanak kay Satur: Pumanig si Satur sa kanya and EVERYTHING WILL BE ALRIGHT WITH HIM!
Chi;
Ang buong Zambales ay puro bundok sa east at puro dagat naman sa west.Ano ba sa tagalog ang east,west,north and south?
Ang mga NPA ay salot sa mga Zambaleno ang mga iyan.
Elvira;
Ayon sa napagtanungan ko tungkol sa extra-judicial killings na iniimbistigahan ng mga grupo ni Boxer ay hindi lang patungkol kay punggok kundi pati na rin sa mga grupo nina Satur,Joma,Jalandoni.Pati na rin iyong mga mas grave sa Hilongos Leyte kung sino talaga ang dapat managot d’yan kaya ang magiging suma ay impartial investigation on both sides.Gobyerno man o ang mga leftist iimbistigahan nila lahat iyan.Hindi lang one-sided investigation,baka maungkat pa iyon pagpatay nila kay Col:Nick Rowe kung sino ang mastermind.Kaya ang strategy ng gobyerno ni punggok ay idiin lahat kina Satur.
Good info, cocoy. Iyan din ang nakuha ko. buti nga na impartial investigation ang gawin dito, tamaan ang dapat tamaan, parusahan ang dapat parusahan. iyan ang demokrasya.
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east-silangan
west -kanluran
south-timog
north- (norte?) help! Mrivera.
Chi;
Thanks;
Kaya ko tinanong sa iyo kasi hindi alam ang direction sa tagalog kung minsan para akong tanga na nagtatanong sa kausap ko na ano ang timog.Impartial investigation on both side ang mangyayari d’yan at walang palakasan,kung sino ang nagkasal ay iyon ang mananagot.Pagdedebatihan sa senado at kongresso iyan.Iyan ay di maiiwasan dahil sa mga aids ng America sa Pilipinas na umaabot ng isang daang milyong dolyar kada taon at ang perang iyan ay pera ng mga tax payer dito sa america.Black and white lang ang labanan dyan.
Pareng Cocoy, Chi:
north- hilaga
chi Says:
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east-silangan
west -kanluran
south-timog
north- (norte?) help! Mrivera.
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… north – amihan
tama si Ka Enchong. Hilaga is north, amihan is north wind.
Ka Enchong & Alitaptap;
Thank you sa direction.Importante sa buhay natin iyan.Ngayon alam ko na.
Ka Enchong, Alitaptap,
Thanks. Napudpod na ang tuktok ko sa kaiisip ng north, hilaga nga pala. Pero alam ko na ang northwind ay amihan, kasi paboritong hangin ko ‘yan e.
Ang hirap na namang pumasok sa Ellenland!
The filipino blood for as long as its flowing in our veins runs out of context of any ideology or advocacy with decency. Can we translate prescription to vendettas or riddos, blood money as absolution (cant get the right spelling now)? Forgiveness is not the color of that blood. Closets are always full of skeletons.
Thanks, Elvie. One thing sure is that I don’t talk about things I do not have first hand knowledge of unless of course I am asking clarification of something I have heard about. Otherwise, I reason out on the context of my knowledge based on what I do, observe, etc. in the society I live in that is no doubt a model of what a progressive society is all about, not some make believe acceptance that is in fact discrimination against say the little brown Americans!!! Golly, nakakabakla naman iyong kausap ni Anna!
Thanks. Alitaptap. You bet, hindi tayo umuurong! Lalo na alam na alam ko ang pinagsasabi ko!
Valdemar,
Huwag mong sabihing lahat ng mga pilipino may skeletons sa closet nila. Hindi lahat. I know my mother doesn’t. And so do members of our church in the Philippines for instance lalo na iyong naintindihan ang doctrines ng simbahan namin. Iyong mga may skeleton ay iyong mga squatters sa Malacanang at mga galamay nila.
Si Ocampo alam ko napagbayaran na nila ang ginawa nila noon at dahil na rin sa sinusupil naman ang kanilang kalayaan na mag-isip. Puede namang magkaroon ng Communist Party sa Pilipinas na hindi naman mangangahulugang magiging komunista ang lahat ng mga pilipino. Sa totoo lang, mas naaasahan sila sa pakikibaka para sa mga kapakanan ng mga pilipino. Iyan lang naman ang hangarin nila–magkaroon ng karapatan ang mga maliliit! That I agree and support them for. Bakit hindi iyan maintindihan ng mga bobo? Bagay bobo nga, hindi makakaintindi!
Dito meron kaming Communist Party, Socialist Party, Democratic Party, and in between. Iyan ang tunay na democratic sa totoo lang. Sa Pilipinas ang alam lang nila mangurakot! Anong tawag diyan? Ideology of Graft and Corruption?
Sabi ng staff ko, “Pidalism” daw! Bwahahahahaha! 😛
Anna,
Kasalanan mo, mukhang napikon na si Bocobo, nabocobo na siya! :-)))))))
At least, tayo hindi niya mabebentahan tungkol sa Tate kasi tateside din tayo. Pero pagdating sa Japan, wala siyang alam kundi iyong nabasa niyan sinusulat ng mga kanong wala ring alam kundi iyong pinagtsitsismisan nilang mga kano at foreigners dito sa Japan na off limit sa talagang core ng Japanese society. National Press Club nga dito hindi nila mapasok e. Sulat hapon hindi rin nila mabasa.
One thing sure is that their Japanese staff will not tell them what they read in Japanese that should be kept only among Japanese!!! All domestic issues hindi nakakalabas ng bansa. Sa Pilipinas, hindi naman puedeng hindi na ilabas kasi iyong makakalaban sana sa mga ungas, wala na sa Pilipinas!!!
Iyon ngang isang candidate daw ng OFW, nang sabihan na kailangan niyang i-give up ang foreign citizenship niya, nag-alanganin At least, kung hindi siya tatakbo, dual citizen pa rin siya.
Me? Sorry, isa lang ang citizenship ko. Bawal kasi sa aming mga Japanese ang dual citizenship until the age of maturity which is 20 years old. Otherwise, mamili ka and stick to it. Kaya iyong gustong tumakbo ako kasi alam nilang palaban at hindi ako magnanakaw, sabi ko na lang sorry. Tutulong na lang ako sa ibang paraan like keep on blogging in sites monitored by Malacanang and the AFP para birahan ang mga tao doon on behalf of the Filipinos at home and overseas. Besides, mas kailangan ako ng mga pilipino sa Japan kesa sa Pilipinas. Mapatay pa ako doon.
Wala kang magagawa kung patay ka na, sabi nga.
hindinapenoy dahil ukbo na, sino naman me sabi sa iyo na pares sa frendster ang blogsite na ito? Malinaw ang sinasabi ko sa LAHAT ng patuloy na SUMISINGIT dito na ang tanging pakay ay atakihin, asarin, o insultuhin ang Host ng kuwarto na ito.Kung ayaw mo sa nababasa mo dito, bakit ka pasok at pasok, sulpot at sulpot pa rin? Hindi ko alam kung nabasa mo na rin ang analogy ko nuon about what would happen to a cat that jumps in inside a dog kennel pull of rottweilers? Tama ka na lahat ng pumapasok dito ay libre at malayang magbigay ng kaniyang sariling opinyon, pero kapag ang opinyon na iyon ay ang pag-insulto o pang-alipusta lamang sa ibang nagpapahayag dito, duon lang naman nag-uumpisa ang sagutan, tulad ng pagsagot ko sa iyon ngayon. Sana’y nalinawan ka hindinapenoy, kung hindi pa rin ay wala na akong puwedeng ipaliwanag sa iyo.
To Ka Enchong:
Here the statute of limitations (the more precise term is “prescription”) does not run if a case is pending in court.
I dont know what crime ka Satur was charged with. If its murder, 20 years ang prescription. The problem is, the case vs. Ka Satur is pending in court for 22 years.
The real killers of Ninoy Aquino are now scot free. No case had been filed against the real killers for 20 years, starting from 21 August 1983. Even if they are arrested now for killing Ninoy, they cannot be prosecuted for it.
For anything Filipino, don’t rely on a Japanese. Most especially a Japanese ex-Pinay.
To hindinapinoy:
sabi ni s(pal)par(t)an:
“Malinaw ang sinasabi ko sa LAHAT ng patuloy na SUMISINGIT dito na ang tanging pakay ay atakihin, asarin, o insultuhin ang Host ng kuwarto na ito.Kung ayaw mo sa nababasa mo dito, bakit ka pasok at pasok, sulpot at sulpot pa rin?”
Ganyan talaga yung mga hindi sanay na may kumokontra sa ideya nila. Sila naman yung unang nag-aatake, nag-aasar, nag-iinsulto. Pasalamat pa nga dapat sila sa iyo because dahil sa pag-diskusyon sa iyo nahahasa ang mga utak nila.
pakelam nila kung gusto mong (nating) pumasok at sumulpot dito.
yung reaksyon nyang yan ang patunay na di sila handa sa malayang talakayan, at ang kanilang response to contrary ideas ay repression/suppression.
pagpasensyahan na lang natin
ystakei:
paki-paliwanag nga kung ano ba talaga ang ibig sabihin ng materialist philosopher?
anthony scalia, sayang at medyo nahawig pa ang pangalan mong gamit duon sa isa kong paboritong actor sa merika na si Anthony Lapaglia, kasi lahat ng pelikula at series nuon sa telebisyon ay bida siya. Unlike you and people with you, like gloria macapagal arroyo, when all these ends all of you would always be portrait as the evil, the anti-hero, or simply put it KONTRABIDA. hehehe. Oks lang, wala naman kasing bida kung walang kagaya nyo, di ba?
Meron din dito sa blog ni Ellen nuon na nagpaliwanag tungkol kay Antonin Scalia, iyong isa sa walong kasama ng Punong Mahistrado ng Korte Suprema sa Estados Unidos.
Pero yung sinabi mo Spartan na si LaPaglia ay isang Australian na dating naglalaro ng soccer.
Ang isa sa gusto kong player ng soccer sa Europe ay itong si Davor Šuker ng Croatia, pero itong si Anthony Pasakalye ay sucker ni GMA!
Anthony:
Thanks for the info. Does it mean that the current move to detain Ka Satur is illegal having surpassed the 20 year prescription?
Di ko nakuha yung Japanese?
tama. north – hilaga. boil – nilaga.
he he heh.
elvie,
ang mali ay nagiging tama kapag tinatanggap ng nakararaming nililinlang ng iilang gahaman at uhaw sa kapangyarihang ginagawang mali ang tama kung hindi aayon sa kanilang baluktot na layunin na pinagiging katatanggap tanggap ng mga sipsip na nagbubulagbulagan.
isa sa mga dahilan kung bakit persecuted si Erap ng mga SocDem at Left of Center ay dahil kilala syang maka-Marcos.
matatandaan na bago pa naganap ang January 2001 conspiracy ay bumisita pa ito sa Ilocos.
Ganon din si FPJ.
Matatandaan na itinaas pa ni FPJ ang kamay ni FM sa pangangampanya noong 1986.
Ganon din ang kamay ni Ed Angara na kulay orange noong 1998.
at itong si nelle-bar ay isang certified Erap butt-licker
To s(pal)par(t)an:
“anthony scalia, sayang at medyo nahawig pa ang pangalan mong gamit duon sa isa kong paboritong actor sa merika na si Anthony Lapaglia, kasi lahat ng pelikula at series nuon sa telebisyon ay bida siya”
noted. sounds like a porno actor
“Unlike you and people with you, like gloria macapagal arroyo, when all these ends all of you would always be portrait as the evil, the anti-hero, or simply put it KONTRABIDA. hehehe. Oks lang, wala naman kasing bida kung walang kagaya nyo, di ba?”
NAKUPO! KAYO ANG BIDA???!!!!
*****makes the sign of the cross*****
*****sounds of lightning and thunder*****
ikaw talaga s(pal)par(t)an, luma na yan ah. Take note, members of Al Qaeda, Jemaah Islamiya, the IRA, and Iraqi extremists consider themselves “patriots,” mga BIDA. Katulad na katulad nyo nga, at ng idolo nyong si Erap at ang G-rand A-lliance of G-enuine O-pposition.
Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome S(pal)par(t)an and the rest of the regular bloggers of this blog: ang mga BIDA IN THE MOLD OF THE IRAQI EXTREMISTS.
To Ka Enchong:
Kung pending na sa korte for 22 years yung kaso, Ka Satur cannot invoke prescription to dismiss right away the case. He has to fight the case in court.
(sorry for the ‘Japanese’ mention. it was intended for my favorite Japanese ex-Pinay)
anthony:
what i uderstand, ka satur is being charged now of a crime(?) committed 22 years ago but he was given amnesty already under the Aquino and Ramos administrations. the same applies to the rebellion case against ka beltran. so, this move of the arroyo administration, is it legal, considering that ka satur is a political figure? as what johnmarzan said, why don’t they charge the leftists with new stuffs (crimes that were committed recently) and not decade old cases?
jr_lad and Ka Enchong:
Dyan sa State University(RTU – State College pa kasi ito noon) na pinanggalingan ko sa Mandaluyong. Meron akong instructor noon(late 80’s to early 90’s) dyan na kapag may klase kami at may nakitang sumisilip sa bintana o gustong makinig ng lecture. Ang ginagawa nito ay pinapasok na lang sa room namin kesa sa nakatambay sa corridor para makipag “seat-in” sa klase.
Ayan kasi advantage ng silid aralan sa eskwelahan namin – ang dalawa ang pintuan.
Kapag late-comers ka, pwede ka pa rin uma-tend ng klase at duon dadaan sa rear door. Kapag sa front kasi ay makaka-distract ng klase.
Kadalasan ang arrangement namin dun ay thru seat number. Kaya kapag tinawag ang NUMBER mo, “STAND AND DELIVER”.
reaksyon ko dun sa pag-uusap nina hindinapinoy at anna de brux kahapon mga pasado ala-singko hanggang ala-sais:
hindinapinoy:
hindi mo yata nalagyan ng bookmarker ang history books(lesson plan) mo na may patungkol sa “WWII: Soviet Army race to capture Berlin”.
Meron dun na mga ni-rape din na mga German:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,707835,00.html
punta ka sa wikipedia at tingnan mo ang Red Army Atrocities
am no fan of satur ocampo and his colleagues in the NDF/CPP/NPA or a believer of the ideology they want to propagate and have fought them during my years in the military service. however, being a person of present stature as a representative in the lower house, due respect should be accorded to congressman ocampo.
and esperon should review the code of conduct of the filipino soldier as well the ethics of a public official.
Magno,
Esperon is hopeless.
Even if he re-reads and re-reads the code of conduct of fil soldier and AfP code of ethics manual, no dice!
Btw, I heard from a military friend that Esperon has hopes of RUNNING for a seat in Congress in 2010! (I suppose so he could escape summary legal “execution” by people wanting to file charges against him for abuse of authority for rampant violation of military law, etc.)
Hahahah! A seat in Congress to join the Pidal brood? Unbelievable!
Mrivera,
Kung loyalty pag-uusapan duon ako kay Jose Ma. Zumel at Rafael Recto.
nelbar, gaya nang sinabi ko, naging katunggali nila ako noon sa larangan ng propaganda. marami ang sa aming paghikayat ay nagbalik loob sa pamahalaan subalit ang iba ay piniling bumalik sa bundok bunga ng katangahan ng ibang opisyal ng dating PC/INP na hindi pinahalagahan ang amnesty papers na nagpapatunay na sila ay namumuhay na ng tahimik at hindi na lumalahok pa sa armadong pakikibaka o sumusuporta sa dati nilang simulain.
at sa panahong ito ng kasalukuyang administrasyong walang inatupag kundi sikilin at busalan ang sa kanila ay bumabatikos, mas masahol pa kaysa noon ang nagiging paglabag sa karapatang pantao.
sino ang nakakakilala kina ka durot at nasirang kumander siete ng central luzon revolutionary committee?
To: jr_lad
anthony:
what i uderstand, ka satur is being charged now of a crime(?) committed 22 years ago but he was given amnesty already under the Aquino and Ramos administrations. the same applies to the rebellion case against ka beltran. so, this move of the arroyo administration, is it legal, considering that ka satur is a political figure? as what johnmarzan said, why don’t they charge the leftists with new stuffs (crimes that were committed recently) and not decade old cases?
Actually, i don’t know. I’m also puzzled. In court, he would have to invoke the amnesties given to him by Cory and FVR.
That 22-year old case is pending in court, so prescription does not run.
Wala nang maisip siguro. Ang sipag nga nung naka-unearth nitong 22-year old case.
It may be possible that in the amnesties given to him, this now-22-year-old case was not listed as a pending case.
lahat ng kaso, kapag nabigyan na ng amnesty ang isang tao, lahat ‘yun burado. maliban na lamang kung talagang gusto nang “burahin” sa mundo ‘yung tao.
si gloria? sinungaling na sira ulo!
Mrivera,
napadaan ako kagabi sa library ng VRB at nanghiram muna ako ng VCD ng North Country(Charlize Theron) aka The Josey Aimes Story about sexual harassment in a mining company.
May eksena dun na grabe ang pagmumura ng anak(#12) sa nanay nya.
At iyong isang naman na Union member ay may hawak pa na gavel.(parang yung isa dito sa blog ni ellen na may pa-noted noted pa!)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0395972/keywords
movies.yahoo.com/movie/1808680147/details
hinihintay ko pa rin nga si hindinapinoy(sigurado ako na lalaki ito) , dahil ipapabasa ko muna sa kanya itong libro na hiniram ko tungkol sa The Sétif massacre.
nelbar, nabuksan ko. sayang. kung supported sana at activated ang media player nitong unit ko napanood ko ‘yan. at least, supported by facts and references ang hawak mo.
tiyanak resign now!