Please click on each picture to see it enlarged.
Scout rangers arrive at the Sierra Madre Hall for the hearing.
1. Army Capt. Ruben Guinolbay, the hero of the 2001 Lamitan seige.
2. Maj. Jason Aquino and fellow detained officers.
3. More men of honor on trial. I’m not sure if they are Capt. Frederick Sales and Maj. Jose Leomar Doctolero.
The Colonels:
1. Col. Orlando de Leon
2. Lt. Col. Armando Bañez
3.Lt. Col. Custodio Parcon, a medal of valor awardee
4.Lt. Col. Achilles Segumalian
Looking at these photos..I can’t help but heave a sigh & remember the words of Marinduque Rep. Edmund Reyes during the first impeachment trial of Gloria:
“Is there anyone else? Is there no one else? Wala na bang ibang pipirma para sa katotohanan?..Mr Chairman, thank you very much for giving me this time. I will leave the second envelope containing blank endorsements. And we will wait..”
W/ Gloria at the helm, I also fault those TONGressmen who did not want to push through w/ Gloria’s impeachment. Had the impeachment happened, our soldiers, the People’s soldiers, would not have been compromised !
What these TONGressmen did not do, the people will do for them in the May elections. What Gloria does not want to happen, will eventually happen. What the People’s Soldiers could not do, the people will do.
And so the question remains, “Is there anyone else? Is there no one else? Wala na bang ibang pipirma para sa katotohanan?”
The May elections will answer these questions.
I thought of this qoute from Edmund Burke while looking at the pictures of men of honor in trial;
“The only thing necessary for the truimph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”
May the truth come out and vindicate this men who sided with the truth for the Glory of God.
If time and history compells me to choose before I die, it will be an honor to join the ranks of this men to battle the tyrant in our society.
Thanks, Ellen, for the pictures. It surely is refreshing to know that the spirit of bravery among the members of the much tainted AFP is totally not dead, and those who are true defenders of freedom and liberty have gallantly done so at the peril of their lives and welfare of their families.
One of these days, despite the attempt of the bogus president and her lackeys in trying to suppress more freedoms, these men will inspire Filipinos to raise up arms against their oppressors someday soon if not now, for the truth is God has in fact inculcated in everyone this love for freedom—the freedom to choose between good and evil, right and wrong, virtue and vice, and pleasure and pain, even the freedom to choose between God and Mammon.
As the Scriptures say, “No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.” (Matt.6:24; Luke 16:13)
Filipinos will have to make their choice soon enough before they experience another terrible, terrible suppression of freedoms much worse than when Marcos imposed his own brand of Martial rule.
hindi malaman kung ano’ng klaseng taktika ang ginagawa ng bulok na pamunuang ito na kung kailan abala ang mga tao ay saka nila pinupursige ang alinmang dapat pagtuunan at/o pinagtuunan ng pansin sa panahong ito ay nararapat na asikasuhin.
isang bagay lamang ang maliwanag – kung paanong naluklok sa poder ang pamunuang ito ay gayundin ang paglutas (?) sa mga kasong wala naman silang sapat na batayan kundi upang “magpalabas” lamang, kasama na dito ang mga usaping “ginapang sa kalaliman ng gabi habang ang mga tao ay nasa kahimbingan ng kanilang pagtulog”.
style ng magnanakaw!!!
Nathaniel S. Contreras,
You said (February 28th, 2007 at 2:17 pm):
“..If time and history compells me to choose before I die, it will be an honor to join the ranks of this men to battle the tyrant in our society.”
Wow, that is bravery ! It is commendable.
Off topic..According to Malcañan, the power rate cut is not “political gimmick.” Didn’t Gloria also do something similar when she was running for President in 2004 ?
It has come to this: Even if Gloria does something good, because of her low credibility, her acts will always be met w/ skepticism.
Leaders w/ integrity & honour would resign when they know they are not believed anymore. Our so-called leader cuts the cake – the more indecent Gloria becomes, the more defiant she gets. What a loser.
Ellen,
These officers are gaining more weight and getting more fair skin complexion. Enjoy your vacation, ladies!
Sinabi mo pa Chabeli.
BK, I emailed you the info you were asking about.
Nakaka-panghinayang itong mga sundalong ito. Sayang at ganoon din pala ang magyayari, makulong lahat sila mabuti pa sana’y natuloy na ang ”coup” nasagip pa nila ang bayan.
Sa tingin ko ngayon, mangilan-ngilan na lang ang natitirang sundalo at kapulisan na matino, matapang at maka-bayan.
Mas nakararami sa mga sundalo at pulis natin ngayon ay magnanakaw..at ang mga matitino ay nasa kulungan o may kasong hinaharap…sayang, sayang…mag-isip..isip na sana ang mga natitira pang matitino at maka-bayan kung kayo’y magsa-sama-sama ang taong bayan ay nasa likod niyo…Mabuhay kayo !!!!
Agree Bob, “at ang mga matitino ay nasa kulungan o may kasong hinaharap…”
Sayang nga. Hard to keep good officers and men in the service particularly when you have Tiyanak-Pig tandem hell bent on turning the military into one big bonfire of the vanities team!
The good, the machos, and honorable men are behind bars, while the ugly, the bad, and the corrupt super Band-aids are enjoying bounty lives outside courtesy of their fake commander-in-thief, the useless UNANO!
Nathaniel S. Contreras Says:
February 28th, 2007 at 2:17 pm
“The only thing necessary for the truimph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”
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Eksakto! Kaya sila ikinulong ng walanghiyang Unano-Assoperon tandem para hindi sila makagalaw and can “do nothing” to better the lot of poor pinoys! Walang kabusugan sa power at pera and evil twins na ito!
For all you know, the bogus government is recruiting new soldiers according to my source. Papalitan yata ang mga suspected magulo at ayaw sumunod kay Pandak, Assperon, et al.
Sa pulis, marami akong alam na umalis na. May nakilala nga ako dito na dating pulis na umalis na noon pang 2004. Nasa Japan on invitation ng anak na asawa ng isang hapon, tapos nag-overstay na. Ang masama nito, kapag nahuli at sinabi pang dati siyang pulis, nakakahiya!!!
Overstaying and working without permit in Japan is a crime. First offender are likely to be given suspended sentences but not second timers, who may be imprisoned with forced labor from 1 year to 3 years. Babae man o lalaki ay nakukulong!
BK said, “These officers are gaining more weight and getting more fair skin complexion.”
Heheheh! Now I see why Esperon supot wants them out of the sun – he likes his little playthings fair-skinned! Hah!
If we are to go by BK’s comment, Esperon likes ’em kinda plump, eh?
But because these officers have no penchant for the likes of Esperon supot, they’d rather be incarcerated.
You know Ellen, of course that Hitler’s SS chief, SA-oberführer Heinrich Himmler had a strong preference for the male sex, hence Gloria chose a similar person as her AFP SS/Gestapo chief Esperon supot.
Hahahahahah!
P********************nang Esperon, supot na bakla pala!
Thanks, BK for clarifying.
Ellen do you realize that the PMA Class of ’74 is making history for being the only class, so far, where the Chief of Staff, the Army, Navy and Air Force Chiefs are classmates.
Class of 86 and younger should do these guys in…. sige, mano a mano…
I agree with BOB…sana pala they proceed with their plan to march in EDSA tutal ganoon din naman pala…
Nagulat nga ako ng nakasama itong si Army Capt. Ruben Guinolbay dahil alam ko hero talaga itong during basilan…tapos si Faeldon I remember him sa correspondents tv, pinakita niya yun mga boots ng sundalo niya at kung gaano kahirap ang buhay nila…then nakita ko na lang siya sa Magdalo..
Bale kung hindi man maalis si Gloria, tatlong taon na lang ang pagtitiis nila and I am hoping that the next president will come from Opposition and not “NOLI DE CASTRO”…In the meantime, they have to wait na mag retire si Esperon ang problema yata medyo tatagal pa sa puwesto si Esperon.
Si Gen. Miranda pinakita kahapon nakakaawa naman 2-star general pero I saw how he is being pushed by his escorts…hindi niya alam kung saan siya maglalakad.
Jojo,
Totoo ba yan? “I saw how he is being pushed by his escorts…”
By whom? By MPs? or by ordinary AFP guards?
Ellen,
If what Jojo says happened right in front of media, it’s clear Gloria’s Esperon has flushed the Articles of War down his toilet.
If Esperon no longer recognizes the Articles of War, sige, labo-labo na lang!
“Si Gen. Miranda pinakita kahapon nakakaawa naman 2-star general pero I saw how he is being pushed by his escorts…hindi niya alam kung saan siya maglalakad.”
T&^^%$#@*&na nila, buhat kay Unano at Assoperon hanggang sa mga escorts na nag-push kay Gen. Miranda! Matatapos rin ang mga walang pakundangang hinayupak na ito!
Chi,
Dapat, binatukan at binatukan ni Miranda kung sino mang nag-push sa kanya. O kay, head-butt niya! Tapos!
Anyway, di naman alam nitong Esperon supot ang Articles of War.
PV,
I’m soooo disappointed with Senga! Supot din pala ito! Next time (meron pa ba?), the courageous men (may natira pa ba sa labas?) should march straight to the streets and don’t talk/bargain with the superiors in the likes of the Garci Generals and Senga!
Sabi nga ni BOB, “ganoon din pala ang magyayari” ,pareho din pala! kalabuso na ay na-bansot pa ang kanilang adhikain!
Hindi maaaring i-apply ang Articles of War kasi hindi war tayo. Ang dapat gamitin ang Article of Peace. Ang alam ko sa mga presong opisyales na may mataas na ranggo ay iginagalang. Sinasaludo pa nga kahit na mga bantay. Bakit noon itong si Gen. Garcia na na-convict ng plunder? Lahat ng VIP treatment ibinigay sa kanya. Nasaan na ang lokong iyan? Hindi ba dapat nakakulong iyan? Baka nasa abroad na wala tayong kamalay-malay.
Philippine Vigil,
I saw it in TFC, “bandila” yun news. He can’t walk freely at hindi kailangan hawakan sa dalawang braso ang isang 2-star general na biglang patatalikurin…sa tingin ko MP yun gumawa sa kanya..well, hindi ko alam kung bakit ganoon kahigpit sila Kay Gen. Miranda samantalang nasa Tanay sila nasabi na lang ni Gen. wala siyang magawa dahil bilanggo daw siya. Sa tingin ko my order sa MPs na huwag pagsalitain si Gen sa Media kaya ganoon na lang…
I really pity this General Miranda..hindi ko talaga nagustuhan yun ginawa ng MPs.
Kung sa bagay, iba ang trabaho ng MP. Sila kasi ang Pulis sa military kaya walang General General sa kanila basta bilanggo. Pero dapat nandoon pa rin ang paggalang. Kapag nakalaya na si Gen. Miranda ay palitan niya ang Military Police (MP) sa pangalan niyang Miranda Police (MP). At kung makalaya siya ay magsalita siya sa Plaza Miranda para ilabas ang lahat ng baho sa AFP at ni tiyanak. Ang magiging pamagat ng ganyang rally ay “Miranda sa Plaza Miranda”. Magandang scoop into sa media.
Naku artsee, never na makalaya sina Gen. Miranda sa panahon ni Unano! Pero kung mananalo ang UNO at ma-impeach ang Unano at palalabasin sila agad-agad. Dapat talagang ilugmok sa putik ngayon ang team Unano.
Maganda ang rally na “Miranda sa Plaza Miranda”! Baka hindi lang higpitan ang hawak kundi pilayin ng mga MPs ang braso ni Gen M a!
Kapag hinuli naman si Gen. Miranda ay puwede niyang gamitin ang “Miranda Doctrine” bilang pagtanggol.
artsee, ano ba iyang “Miranda Doctrine”?
huwag ninyong masyadong sambahin ang mga sundalo.
ano ba ang talagang balak nila? military hunta?…..
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Monday, July 28, 2003
Rebel Spokesman Laments Filipinos’ Decision
Before leaving the stage of the Makati siege, LT SG Antonio Trillianes expressed his disappointment at the outcome of the events. He and his band of renegade officers stormed out of anonimity early morning Sunday, took over a plush Makati hotel, and, with fiery accusations of corruption in the military, demanded the resignation of the President of the Pilippines. When asked who will replace the President if she left, he snapped. “That’s irrelevant.” During the entire drama, Trillianes was on air, speaking fluently and confidently against corruption in the military, perhaps hoping to gain public sympathy and convince civilians to protect them from the Government’s wrath. But unlike the events of EDSA in 1986 and EDSA 2 in 2001, no civilians came. At 3:00 pm, as a final plea for public support, the rebels had a press conference where they took the mic stand one by one to air their grievances to the world. “I spent eight years of combat duty in Mindanao” fighting Muslim rebels, said one officer, his voice rising as he spoke. “I saw my friends die, but did their deaths have any value? I say, they died for nothing.” But as luck would have it, civilians would not sympathize with bomb-toting and grief-stricken soldiers.
Thus, as Lt. SG Trillianes ended his fifteen minutes of fame, he lamented his inability to gain public support and claimed that the Filipino people decided to side with the corrupt. He said he was ready to face the charges and mulled a change of career.
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at bakit kailangan pang lagyan ng bomba ang paligid ng oakwood? parang hostages ba ang mga civilian?
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Sunday, July 27, 2003
Rebels Remove Bombs
As the nation exults the end of the Makati Siege, the rebels soldiers begin removing the bombs that they planted around Oakwood Apartments. They are expected to march back to their barracks after completing the clean up of the vicinity of the hotel.
Meanwhile, officials involved in the negotiation remain elusive as to the exact details of the compromise. According to reports, five of the leaders of the rebel group will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. The rest will be investigated in accordance with the Articles of War. The Government concessions to the rebels, however, have not been disclosed clearly. ¶ 10:30 PM
In 1963, Ernesto Miranda was accused of kidnapping and raping an 18-year-old, mildly retarded woman. He was brought in for questioning, and confessed to the crime. He was not told that he did not have to speak or that he could have a lawyer present. At trial, Miranda’s lawyer tried to get the confession thrown out, but the motion was denied. In 1966, the case came in front of the Supreme Court. The Court ruled that the statements made to the police could not be used as evidence, since Miranda had not been advised of his rights.
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The following is a minimal Miranda warning, as outlined in the Miranda v Arizona case.
You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have the right to speak to an attorney, and to have an attorney present during any questioning. If you cannot afford a lawyer, one will be provided for you at government expense.
The following is a much more verbose Miranda warning, designed to cover all bases that a detainee might encounter while in police custody. A detainee may be asked to sign a statement acknowledging the following.
You have the right to remain silent and refuse to answer questions. Do you understand?
Anything you do say may be used against you in a court of law. Do you understand?
You have the right to consult an attorney before speaking to the police and to have an attorney present during questioning now or in the future. Do you understand?
If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be appointed for you before any questioning if you wish. Do you understand?
If you decide to answer questions now without an attorney present you will still have the right to stop answering at any time until you talk to an attorney. Do you understand?
Knowing and understanding your rights as I have explained them to you, are you willing to answer my questions without an attorney present?
hindinapinoy Says:
March 1st, 2007 at 3:01 am
huwag ninyong masyadong sambahin ang mga sundalo.
ano ba ang talagang balak nila? military hunta?…..
Sagot: Hindi sa sinasamba sila kundi gusto lang natin na tulad ng civilian at ibang mga tao ay mabigyan sila ng hustisya. Hindi porke hindi sila pabor kay tiyanak ay rebelde na sila. Paano na ang mga opisyales at mga sundalong bata ni tiyanak na patuloy na nagnanakaw? Military Junta? Kung makakatulong ba ito bakit hindi? Puwede naman pansamantalang military ang hahawak tapos ibibigay din sa civilian authority. Tulad kailan lang sa nangyari sa Thailand. Isa pa, Diyos lang ang sinasamba at hindi tao.
Ate Chi, hindi mo alam ang “Miranda Doctrine”? Iyan ang karapatan ng isang tao kapag mahuli o maaresto. Karapatan tumahimik at huwag magsalita na hindi kaharap ang abogado.
Ah, ‘yan pala ang “right to remain silent” ng mga Pidal! joke only!
Ito namang si HNP ay mukhang nalalabuan sa meaning ng “sambahin”!
Si Assoperon ay “sumasamba” kay Unano!
Nais namin ng “hustisya” sa mga magigiting na sundalong nakakulong at bartolina sa utos ni Unano upang forever siyang manatili sa nakaw na kapangyarihan!
Artsee, Ellen, people,
Re: “Sila kasi ang Pulis sa military kaya walang General General sa kanila basta bilanggo.”
Wrong! Abslolutely wrong! Artsee – that’s only in the movies.
Major General Miranda may be an incarcerated officer but he HAS NOT BEEN found guilty by any court, let alone the military courts.
In the first place, the military police (MP) doing the shoving as per Jojo’s saying here, is ONLY AN ORDINARY SOLDIER.
That Military Police element has no right to shove, push, manhandle (coz there was clearly mandhandling there, albeit mild) an officer, let alone a star-rank.
This is NOT ALLOWED under any circumstances, particularly when the officer HAS NOT BEEN CONVICTED.
That soldier/military officer could be accused very clearly of INSUBORDINATION for mandhandling or “striking a senior officer”.
The problem with the AFP is that under Esperon, they know longer know how to obey rules – the AFP has become a glorified bogus mercenary team, a team that only respects force for rules.
Major General Miranda of the Philippine Marines Corps’ treatment in the hands of a MP element must NOT BE overlooked.
That soldier who did that to him MUST BE PUNISHED!
The Philippines Armed Forces does not have a Uniform code of Military Justices. They are basically relying on Commonwealth Act 408 which has undergone some revision. Commonwealth Act 408 is also known an Article of War.——These soldiers are not guilty because there is no war committed.
So, How are we going to prosecute this soldiers? Based on what Article of war or on the provision on Commonwealth Act 408 they violated? On what charge?
If there is any good lawyer out there can you please give an answer, Why these soldiers are being charged.—–U.S. Armed Forces has UCMJ to follow. Unless of course! It applies to Philippines Armed Forces Service.
What Miranda Rights,are we talking about here?
And Artsee, Articles of War ARE military rules governing the military in time of war and peace!
Miranda Rights are for civilians in the US; nothing to do with the military.
PV;
You are right.What Miranda Rights that Hindinapinoy is talking, regarding the case of these soldiers.
Hindinapinoy,
“huwag ninyong masyadong sambahin ang mga sundalo.
ano ba ang talagang balak nila? military hunta?…..”
Let’s put it this way: when democracy is NOT working in a country, the first component of the republic to revolt against this or that is the military BUT when democracy is working, the rule of law is observed, the tenet of freedom is recognized, the military WILL BE THE LAST EVER COMPONENT of the nation’s institutions to break away from the REPUBLIC.
Therefore, this is happening, i.e., the restiveness, the endeless military escapades, the confusion within and beyond the doors of the military institutions, the disrespect for officers by ordinary soldiers BECAUSE THE PRINCIPLES GOVERNING DEMOCRACY IN THE NATION ARE CLEARLY WOBBLY….
If this “wobbliness” turns to all-out confusion, you bet, military elements, good ones and bad ones who have moulded by military discipline, will think of putting back discipline in a confused republic – RIGHTLY OR WRONGLY – and one of the ways to do, again RIGHTLY OR WRONGLY, in their way of thinking is TO GO FOR A MILITARY JUNTA.
In other words, Gloria has set the precedent, the bastion of national cohesion and discipline is going berserk – so let’s not be surprised that the military elements, officers and men ARE CONFUSED.
Pinas is one goddamn lucky country, because their AFP is still very unprofessional and can’t make up its mind whether to topple Gloria’s govt or not. Anywhere else, Gloria would have been a dead duck!
sorry sa pag-gamit ng ‘sambahin’.
tama kayo na bigyan ng hustisya ang mga sundalo. pero hindi yata dapat na tawaging magigiting ang mga oakwood coup plotters. bakit civilian area ang target nila? bakit pinaligiran pa nila ng bomba ang oakwood area?
at heto pa ang problema – nag ‘sorry’ sila. ano yan, biro-biro lang?
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Saturday, September 25, 2004
Oakwood mutiny leaders say sorry to Arroyo
By Jonathan F. Fernandez and Benjamin B. Pulta
MANILA — The jailed leaders of a failed military rebellion against President Arroyo in July 2003 apologized to her and the nation Friday for their actions and the resulting damage to the economy.
Arroyo accepted the apology but ruled out an immediate pardon and said their trial would proceed.
“Let me say that I feel no rancor,” Arroyo told reporters after returning the officers’ salute. “I accept the apology that they so humbly made.”
She, however, stressed that “according to our laws you cannot have any pardon without any conviction so we are going ahead” with the court-martial.
Army Capt. Gerardo Gambala read the statement of apology in behalf of the other mutiny leaders during a press conference held in Camp Aguinaldo in Quezon City.Arroyo was seated beside Gambala when he read his group’s statement.
The six junior officers were temporarily allowed out of their prison cells for the press conference. They put on their uniforms and were ushered into the defense department for an audience with the commander-in-chief.
Aside from Gambala, the five others were Army Captain Milo Maestrecampo, Navy Captains Gary Alejano, Nicanor Faeldon and Navy Lieutenants Second Grade Antonio Trillanes and James Layug.
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Gambala acknowledged in the statement their act of rebellion, which they said was committed “in our honest though naive desire for change.”
Gambala said that “during our 14 months of incarceration, we have realized that while our country is facing serious problems, there are no shortcuts in solving them.
“In this light, we humbly seek absolution from President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo and we are hereby heeding her call of unity by declaring our unequivocal commitment to peace and reconciliation with her administration.”
Kaya naman pala ako nalito, artsee. Ang alam kong Miranda Rights ay dito sa amin para sa mga civilians. Akala ko ay meron ding Miranda Rights sa Pinas e! Thanks, PV and cocoy.
Hindinapinoy,
Read what I said right on top of your entry.
PV;
You made a good arguement on the case,I know we can win this case companera.I’ll do a closing argument.Ha!ha!ha!The prosecutor on this case,I’ll bet you,The counsel will peeee on his pants.
In other words, even to your second set of questions, Hindinapinoy, “tama kayo na bigyan ng hustisya ang mga sundalo. pero hindi yata dapat na tawaging magigiting ang mga oakwood coup plotters. bakit civilian area ang target nila? bakit pinaligiran pa nila ng bomba ang oakwood area?”, the answers are the same:
Let’s put it this way: when democracy is NOT working in a country, the first component of the republic to revolt against this or that is the military BUT when democracy is working, the rule of law is observed, the tenet of freedom is recognized, the military WILL BE THE LAST EVER COMPONENT from among the nation’s institutions or vanguards of liberty to break away from the REPUBLIC.
Therefore, when this is happening, i.e., the restiveness, the endeless military escapades, the confusion within and beyond the doors of the military institutions, the disrespect for officers by ordinary soldiers, it is BECAUSE THE PRINCIPLES GOVERNING DEMOCRACY IN THE NATION ARE CLEARLY, UNEQUIVOCALLY WOBBLY….
If this “wobbliness” turns to all-out confusion, you bet, military elements, good ones and bad ones together who have been moulded by military discipline, will think of wanting to put back discipline in a confused republic – RIGHTLY OR WRONGLY – and one of the ways to do it, again RIGHTLY OR WRONGLY, in their way of thinking is TO GO FOR A MILITARY JUNTA.
In other words, Gloria has set the precedent, AFP the supposed bastion of national cohesion and national discipline is going berserk because THEY ARE CONFUSED, their rules are not being followed, their ranks are being turned upside down, discipline is given a thoroughly different meaning, – so let’s not be surprised that the military elements, officers and men ARE CONFUSED.
Again, let me reiterate that Pinas is one goddamn lucky country, because their AFP is still VERY unprofessional and can’t therefore make up its mind whether to topple Gloria’s govt or not. Anywhere else, Gloria would have been a dead duck!
Thanks, Cocoy – yeah, let’s do them in! This country’s military has got to be turned around but the right way!
UNANA is not a “dead duck” yet because Assoperon and other Garci Generals continue to make “SAMBA” to her due to PERA!
PV,
nabasa ko ang punto mo sa itaas. totoo, sira na ang militar ng pilipinas simula pa ng panahon ni marcos.
at sabi mo pa….
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Pinas is one goddamn lucky country, because their AFP is still very unprofessional and can’t make up its mind whether to topple Gloria’s govt or not. Anywhere else, Gloria would have been a dead duck!
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para sa akin, ‘UNLUCKY’ ang pilipinas at naging ‘UNPROFESSIONAL’ ang AFP. hindi makakaupo si gloria kung hindi rin sa tulong ng militar.
Well, yeah – in a way you’re right HNP.
That’s where we are at and Gloria is making it worse.
PV,
kung ikaw ay isang sundalo, isa sa una mong tungkulin ay ang kapakanan ng mamamayan. bakit pinaligiran nila ng bomba ang oakwood area? ano ba ang plano nila? sino ba ang target nila?
HNP,
Ewan ko sa kanila kung bakit!
Marami na akong nasabi tungkol diyan sa ibang thread ni Ellen. Maski tanungin mo si Chi, alam niya ang sentiment ko diyan.
No need to repeat them here; Basahin mo na lang sa ibang threads ni Ellen.
Anyway, gaya ng sabi ko sa yo, ulitin ko na lang dito, sa aking palagay:
“AFP the supposed bastion of national cohesion and national discipline is going berserk because THEY ARE CONFUSED, their rules are not being followed, their ranks are being turned upside down, discipline is given a thoroughly different meaning, – so let’s not be surprised that the military elements, officers and men ARE CONFUSED.”
Kung ako ay officer of the AFP today, HNP, I will make KALAS with my team – no urong sulong…
I would have my team round up the bad apples; shoot Esperon and the rest of the officers who were responsible for doing Erap in – that was really the time when democracy in the country wobbled to the point of no return, then I would have Gloria and her husband shot summarily.
Then I would declared a revolutionary govt of civilians and military!
But I’m not an AFP officer – so Esperon is p************nang suwerte yang kumag (borrowed from Yuko) na yan!
PV,
kahit ikaw ay “CONFUSED”, hindi mo gagawing hostages ang mga civilians. ang gumagawa noon ay sira ang ‘moral compass’.
HNP,
Sabi ko na sa yo, marami na akong nasabi diyan…
Tapos na sa AKIN iyang issue na yan!
Yup, PV. And your analyses in other threads are very enlightening. Buhay na buhay pa ang mga posts ni PV sa ibang threads, HNP!
At saka, wala – wala na ang “moral compass”, nawasak na after medyo na re-pair, tuluyang nawasak noong January 20, 2001.
May pag-asa silang ma-repair yan but WILL TAKE AND DEMAND SEVERE SACRIFICES of the military and the civilians in GOVT!
PV,
ang kudeta sa pilipinas ay pina-uso ni gringo honasan. ilang beses niyang ginawa ‘yun. ngayon, senator pa siya.
kudeta ang legacy ni gringo:
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After the bloody coups perpetrated by Sen. Gringo Honasan in the late 80’s, the Philippine Government passed new legislation punishing the crime of coup d’etat. The text of the provisions of the law is as follows:
REBELLION, SEDITION AND DISLOYALTY
Art. 134. Rebellion or insurrection; How committed. — The crime of rebellion or insurrection is committed by rising publicly and taking arms against the Government for the purpose of removing from the allegiance to said Government or its laws, the territory of the Philippine Islands or any part thereof, of any body of land, naval or other armed forces, depriving the Chief Executive or the Legislature, wholly or partially, of any of their powers or prerogatives. (As amended by R.A. 6968).
Article 134-A. Coup d’etat; How committed. — The crime of coup d’etat is a swift attack accompanied by violence, intimidation, threat, strategy or stealth, directed against duly constituted authorities of the Republic of the Philippines, or any military camp or installation, communications network, public utilities or other facilities needed for the exercise and continued possession of power, singly or simultaneously carried out anywhere in the Philippines by any person or persons, belonging to the military or police or holding any public office of employment with or without civilian support or participation for the purpose of seizing or diminishing state power. (As amended by R.A. 6968).
Art. 135. Penalty for rebellion, insurrection or coup d’etat. — Any person who promotes, maintains, or heads rebellion or insurrection shall suffer the penalty of reclusion perpetua.
Any person merely participating or executing the commands of others in a rebellion shall suffer the penalty of reclusion temporal.
Any person who leads or in any manner directs or commands others to undertake a coup d’etat shall suffer the penalty of reclusion perpetua.
Any person in the government service who participates, or executes directions or commands of others in undertaking a coup d’etat shall suffer the penalty of prision mayor in its maximum period.
Any person not in the government service who participates, or in any manner supports, finances, abets or aids in undertaking a coup d’etat shall suffer the penalty of reclusion temporal in its maximum period.
When the rebellion, insurrection, or coup d’etat shall be under the command of unknown leaders, any person who in fact directed the others, spoke for them, signed receipts and other documents issued in their name, as performed similar acts, on behalf or the rebels shall be deemed a leader of such a rebellion, insurrection, or coup d’etat. (As amended by R.A. 6968, approved on October 24, 1990).
Art. 136. Conspiracy and proposal to commit coup d’etat, rebellion or insurrection. — The conspiracy and proposal to commit coup d’etat shall be punished by prision mayor in minimum period and a fine which shall not exceed eight thousand pesos (P8,000.00).
The conspiracy and proposal to commit rebellion or insurrection shall be punished respectively, by prision correccional in its maximum period and a fine which shall not exceed five thousand pesos (P5,000.00) and by prision correccional in its medium period and a fine not exceeding two thousand pesos (P2,000.00). (As amended by R.A. 6968, approved October 24, 1990).
Art. 137. Disloyalty of public officers or employees. — The penalty of prision correccional in its minimum period shall be imposed upon public officers or employees who have failed to resist a rebellion by all the means in their power, or shall continue to discharge the duties of their offices under the control of the rebels or shall accept appointment to office under them. (Reinstated by E.O. No. 187).
Repairs will start when tianak is gone! She is the main source of the military’s confusion!
kaya base sa itaas, sakop sila ng bagong batas na iyon.
pero base sa ‘track record’ ng ‘pinas, ang batas na iyan ay sisirain lang at malamang maging senators pa ang mga rebelde.
Look HNP, to me the height and the biggest crime committed involving a coup d’état albeit non-violent was that committed by Gloria and her p************nang Angie Reyes.
The Philippines was going towards hard-earned democracy, not by leaps and bounds but clearly, democracy was trying its best to work.
Of course this P¨******************nang Gloria Tiyanak couldn’t wait.
Anyway, from then on, Pinas was in free fall.
So never mind the POST Marcos years under Cory – those were confused times after Marcos, forget Honasan! Let’s look at post Cory because in the later years from 1992 to 2000, democracy was racing, ok, ok, in turtle pace but Joker Put**************nang ulyanin na yan derailed the Erap impeachement to set up shop for Gloria in Malacanang.
PV,
tama ka. after ramos, sumirko na naman ang pilipinas. panahon ni ramos, may anomalya rin peo hindi gaya ni erap na lantaran. gumawa pa ng ‘artificial beach’ sa mansyon ng kirida niya. kaya ayon, people power kuno na naman. ito namang si gloria, mukhang ginagaya si marcos, ‘by the book’.
PV,
tungkol sa erap impeachment, huwag lang si joker ang sisihin mo. isama mo rin si loren legarda, raul roco at si nene pimentel.
HNP, I think would be good to bury the sisihan because Erap is down and out in Tanay – he’s not gonna become president again.
So in my book, enough of the “sisihan” where he’s concerned.
If ever we have to make “sisi”, it should involved the very guys who did him in – but who unfortunately are the weirdest, most destructive elements of whatever we can salvage of your ‘moral compass.’
Really, I think nothing much can be achieved through sisihan of the past unless the sisihan involves the current major wrecker of the current remaining moral compass of the nation i.e., Gloria and her octopus hands.
Hnp;
Rebellion, Sedition and Disloyalty;
Article 134—Rebellion or insurrection. –There is no arm struggle and conflict so, there is no violation.
Article 134(a)–No attack-no violation
Article 135-136–Does not apply cause there is no violation on the above article.
Now, what is your argument on this article provision?
Just for the record, Joker Arroyo was SUPPOSED TO BE A LAWYER, an officer of the court, a person who knew the law… he was the “prosecutor” in that impeachment trial, that’s why siya ang unang sinisi ko.
Same with anything that goes amiss where military is concerned, una kong sinisisi ay ang Commander at hindi ang ordinary soldier!
HNP,
Siya, bilang PROSECUTOR and nag lead ng walk out, kaya ang P**************nang ulyanin na Joker na yan ang una kong sinisi! Siya ang nag-derail ng impeachment trial, the next best thing that could have happened to keep democracy working in this sorry country.
Anyway, tama na nga, nabubuwisit lang ako.
(Buti di ako mabilis magalit…. Di ba Artsee?)
Gloria has been very smart of putting up the Military against each other and using the Top Brass to stay in Power. The Very Reason why she ignores or try to Defend the Abuses and Extra Judicial Action of the Components of the AFP and reward its leaders to maintain their support if not their Loyalty. Military Loyalty is good only until one benefits from each others. Once these benefits expire they’ll be on each other throats and we can watch them wrestling and shooting each other again. So just fasten our seat belts and prepare for the ride, maybe sooner….
Vic,
(Off topic!)
Just to let you know that a program on BBC featured the Canadian military work in Afghanistan “winning hearts and minds at work”.
Lt Nicola Bascon was just fantastic! She actually was forced to tell the villagers – to whom she was offering medical help – through an interpreter, “We are the good guys, we are Canadians…”, an oblique repartee against their American colleagues, who were just goddamn gung-ho vis a vis the Afghans.
Turn out by Afghans was great; of course, under the goddamn US Gen Dan MacNeill, all of Canada-NATO efforts will be washed away.
Pretty impressive these Canadians – I like their no-nonsense approach to beating the Talebans, ready to shoot but the bottom line is to win hearts and minds and not just to drop and pound any god-forsaken Afghan village.
Goddamn American commanding McNeil freak!
And if Gen Dan McNeil is out of his depth, Gloria would even be more out of this world with regards beating the NPAs!
She’s frigging starting from Pluto where the tenet devised by General Templar is concerned during the Malaya security act – “winning hearts and minds!”
And let’s not even talk of Esperon supot! That P**********nang so-called CSAFP doesn’t even know where his left is from his right.
Frigging security guard work is all he knows.
At best, all he knows is how to dig foxholes and when it comes to modernizing the Army, all he can think of is to give the Army folks, electric rice cookers and then announces to the world, “Philippine Army is modernized!”
P****************na n’ya!
Philippine Vigil:
You got me thinking! maybe this Haemorrhoid Assperon is gay the type that likes to dominate men in uniform Waaaaahahah!
Heh, WWNL, if we go by what BK said, looks like it – maybe that’s why Esperon’s got hemorhoids, eh?
Hahahhahah!
Cheers folks, don’t let Esperon get to you. Nite – nite people!
The pushing and shoving of Gen. Miranda happened when we were trying to interview him when he was about to board their van after the trial. The military escorts forbid media to talk to the detained officers. But we in media do not feel bound by those prohibition. Our job is to get a direct statement from the subject and we do it the best way we can.
While Gen. Miranda was heavily escorted (They all are heavily escorted) to the van, Ces Drilon of ABS-CBN and her crew were able to slip through from the human chain that the military escorts formed. We all followed and the escorts panicked. What they did was push Gen. Miranda to board the van. Miranda stopped and talked to us.
Christine Avendaño and I couldn’t push our way through the TV crew and other reportes around Gen. Miranda. We saw Col. Archie Segumalian coming and it was he that we interviewed.
We did not succeed with Gen. Danny Lim because the van was parked away from us and the guarding was tight.
I’ll post this comment in the next article. I’ll try to retrieve a picture that shows how we media are prevented from talking to the detained officers.
Ellen,
I’ll wait for your next article on this before posting my anger. GGGGRRRR!
Chi, it’s there, “Ang naninindigan.”
Hindinapinoy:
Let’s have a reasonable discussion on your article that you posted above.No personal attack and just stick on the topic.This is a good argument.
Those soldiers are not guilty.
Now,I open the floor for you to present your argument.
Philippine Vigil:
(Ellen, you need to forgive me on this one P. Vigil deserve it.)
I will not let you get away and stain the reputation of the American soldiers in Afghanistan. You’re mis-informed and surely you open your mouth against the Americans, without facts. It’s not the first time, you probably get your thrill by attacking the Americans. First get your facts straight, before yor curse those Americans soldiers putting their lives for the Afghan people. If anybody is a freak, you don’t have to go far just check your mirror. And if you want to praise the Canadians, do so, but not with the expense of the Americans soldiers. I don’t know what you’ve against the Americans? If you hate the Americans, don’t even bother going to United States. I’m sure you hold some type of visa to enter the USA, you don’t need it, destroy it the USA can certainly do without you.
cocoy,
una, hindi ko gawain na umatake ng personalan.
pag-usapan natin ang oakwood. hindi ba’t sila ay may mga armas, pinaligiran pa nila ng bomba ang oakwood area?. sa tingin mo, walang ‘arms’ involved? parang gusto mong sabihin na kung ang isang tao, nang hold-up ng bangko sa pamamagitan ng baril, nang mapaligiran na ay sumuko na lang dahil wala pa naman siyang nakukuhang pera kaya wala siyang kasalanan.
Toney:
hwag mo dalhin dito sa blog ni ellen ang problema ng mga kano!
problema nila yun diba?
so bakit kailangan na i-outsource ang mga ideya dito sa blog ni ellen?
hayaan natin na american public ang mag-open nyan sa mga forums nila.
nagsasabi lang naman ng totoo si Philippine Vigil
cocoy:
anumang isyu na makabansa o maka-pilipinong pamamalakad at polisiya ay maituturing na KUDETA laban sa emperyong amerika!
ang nangyari noong July 27,2003 sa Makati ay isang democratic exercises.
kaya nga pinaghiwa-hiwalay ang ring leader daw ng nasabing kabanata sa kasaysayan ng bansa.
Hindinapinoy:
Ipag palagay na natin na nagkasala ang mga Magdalo and they take an illegal tenancy in Oakwood,naparalisa ang mga negosyo roon at naka abala sila,Bakit hindi nag demanda ang mga naging biktima nila doon? The victims don’t filed any criminal and civil lawsuit against the Magdalo,that means the action taken, was okey for them. No complainant, no case.
Now, we go to the command of responsibilities. The commander of that units, the Magdalo should be investigated also, why he could not discipline his men, He is unfit to become an officer and a commander. Remember those Magdalo are compose of Junior Officers and they have a higher officer which they follow order. Their commander will take the responsibilities because that was his men.
The Philippine Armed Forces has no Uniform Code of Military Justice. Therefore, We have a military without no foundation. Now, What rules and provision under the Military Laws and regulation these soldiers violated?
hindinapinoy:
sa palagay mo ba kung bala at rosaryo lang ang hawak ng mga nagsi-aklas nuon ay pag-uusapan kaya dito yan sa blog ni ellen?
pilit mo lang kasi na dinadala ang topic na yan dito ay dahil ng mga naka-uniporme sila.
meron pa nga akong nabasa nuon sa dyaryo na elite of the elite daw?
ano ba yan?
cocoy,
sa art.134 pa lang, sabit na sila. mayroon silang armas at gusto nilang patalsikin si gloria. guilty ba? guilty sa mga taong kumikilala pa sa administrasyon ni gloria. hindi guilty sa mga taong ayaw kumilala sa admin ni gloria dahil sa pandaraya.
Hindinapinoy:
They have an arms because they are soldiers,but no fired was shot.So,How can you called that a violation of Article 134.
That article 134 was a privilege granted by the congress to the revolutionary government of Aquino.That order can be question in the Supreme Court if there is any illegality.The soldiers belongs to the people, not to the President even the President is the Commander-in-Chief.The directive orders can be question.
pv,
Even our very conservative PM, whom a lot of people equate as the puppet of American Republicans, just announced more fundings on long terms civic and reconstruction works in Afghanistan. As part of the NATO CONTINGENT the Canadian Forces is an independent mission from the U.S. military. They have their mandate from the Parliament if and when the people decide that their mission is worthwhile they’l;l stay. They are Canadians you said, and they will do the job.
Hindinapinoy:
Side bar muna tayo and I am requesting a court recess,I need to eat dinner.
nelbar:
You’re making statements of you know nothing about. I didn’t bring in the Americans problems to this blog, I was merely answering to the lies made by Philippine Vigil and yours, “nagsasabi lang naman ng totoo si Philippine Vigil”. If anyone brought the subject it was Philippine Vigil with her vicious attack on the American Soldiers and the Gen. McNeil.
Why is it ok for her to attack the American Soldiers and it’s not ok for me to defend them? (“hwag mo dalhin dito sa blog ni ellen ang problema ng mga kano! problema nila yun diba?”). Tell that to your pal Philippine Vigil and not to me. I’m sure you’ve a mind of your own, I suppose.
Below are the lies of Philippine Vigil and you said it’s true. Then, provide me the justification that they’re true. Or is it ok to you to publish lies in this blog, it really doesn’t bother your conscience, eh?
“an oblique repartee against their American colleagues, who were just goddamn gung-ho vis a vis the Afghans.”
“under the goddamn US Gen Dan MacNeill,”
“Goddamn American commanding McNeil freak!”
Now, do you’ve the understanding now of who started it first?
Ellen:
I understand this off the topic and my sincere apology. I just can’t let the lies to go on un-answered. It’s the american soldiers’s honor and integrity are at stake and an officer reputation being smeared with him not knowing it. I care enough which is the reason i’m aswering the vicious attack on them and the lies being spread in this blog. I don’t mean no disrespect, really sorry that this has to happened, I never ask for this I was just merely responding to the lies.
Mang Toney, bakit ganyan na lang ang pagtanggol mo sa mga Kano? Republican ka ba? CIA ka ba? Sina Ate PV at Mang Nelbar nagbibigay lang ng kanilang opinion. Ako neutral. May nagawang mabuti at masama ang Amerika sa Pilipinas kahit na sa maraming bansa. Ang ayaw ko lang ay mas mayabang sila sa akin. Nahihirapan akong makipagsabayan sa kanilang dollars. Aminin mo din na mismo Kano nag-aaway sa kapwa Kano. Pero ang kagandahan lang sa mga Kano ay nagkakaisa sila kapag interest na ng Amerika ang nakataya at ang ibang bansa ang kaaway nila. Iyan ang wala sa atin mga Pinoy. Kung bawasan lang ng Amerika ang pakikialam at pagsisiga-siga, mas mamahalin sila ng ibang bansa. Sa tinagal ng panahon ay ngayon lang umabot ng napakatinding pagkamuthi ng mga ibang bansa sa Amerika. Kaya panahon na upang pag-aralan at suriin ng Amerika ang kanyang panlabas na relasyon.
let the INC settle their score with the mainstream american media.
now tell me what’s the difference between the historiography of ahmed chalabi, scott ritter, Jerry Bremer?
there must some parallelism of what happened during 1899-1907 in the Philippine Is. and the Civilian Administrator of Iraq(Garner Bremer Greenstock and Associates).
duon sa mga nasa Fil-Am(kuno) na nasa Amerika, bakit hindi kayo gumawa ng sarili nyong estado dyan sa North America?
hindi ba’t ganyan din ang mga hudyo sa Amerika?
Silang mga hudyo sa amerika ang nagpapagulo laban sa mga palestino dyan sa Palestine?
ooopppss lumalayo tayo sa topic:
basta ang original na isyu:
ANG BOGUS NA LIDERATO , ANG PANDARAYA AT PAGMAMANIOBRA NG KAGUSTUHAN NG NAKARARAMING MAMAMAYAN NOONG ELEKSYON NG 2004!
I think we have more than enough of the this off-topic about the U.S. From here, I will delete comments not related to posted article.
Nelbar, please do something about your spacing. It’s distracting. I’m getting tired of fixing it.
ang mga basura na iiwan ng mga kano at bitoy sa iraq?sila dapat ang maglinis nyan!
hindi kung anong klaseng walis at lampaso ang kukunin dito sa blog ni ellen.
lumalabas na mga patay gutum ang mga pinoy na namumulot at nagliligpit lang ng mga basurang iiwan ng mga kano at bitoy sa basra at baghdad.
heto ang bottom line: walang kinalaman ang pinas sa tpajax, iran-iraq war at weapons of mass destruction dyan sa iraq!
artsee, talo ka na sa yaman ni tongue ngayon dahil ang itinahi sa kanya ay soluble gold thread na magbibigay sa kanya ng MIDAS touch.
ipinakiusap ko nga sa kanya na ang una niyang gawing gold statues ay ‘yung mag-anak na kawatan sa malakanyang at kanilang mga sipsip na galamay. ipapatunaw muna namin upang gawing gold bars na pambayad sa foreign loans ng pilipinas.
Toney, what you did was foul. I don’t want it ever repeated.
Ellen:
You’ve every right to be mad, I don’t blame you a bit. I also believe on truth and justice, also in fairness. I didn’t do all the cursing or even started them, if you want to be fair, just examine all what has transpired. What I did was a defense mechanism on vicious attacked against me, and the name calling. What would you’ve done? Moreover, there are two people involved, if you care to know. I thank you.
Unfortunate incident just transpired here between two people with different strong views, the injustices and how the guilty has always manage to get away scoot-free in our society, as my point being made. Nothing new, we’ve seen and witnessed it almost all the time. I must admit I was guilty for taking part of the unfortunate incident, and I’m not going to make exucuses. Ms Ellen has the right to be mad. However, all I’m seekin is the fairness in making judgement and to understand how it came about – all I’m asking. As a society we judge not at the merit of the circumtances, but on personality. Which is why we hate illegitimate Gloria and our judicial system. We’ve a long way as a civilized nation. If we’re going to be just like illegitimate Gloria and her dogs. Like I said once, half of the world is turned upside down, we bound to disagree most of the time.
Mang Rivera, ang sagot mo sa akin ay doon sa post ko na tinanggal ni Ate Ellen. Iyan nga ang mahirap sa nangyayari ngayon: Tinatanggal ni Ate Ellen ang post ko tapos hinahayaan naman ang sagot na manatili tulad ng sa iyo. Di ba nakakalito iyan? Di malaman tuloy kung para saan ang sagot mo. Minsan tinawag akong bastos. Ngayon naman nakakainsulto daw ang mga sulat ko. Para ko nang gustong itakwil si Ate Ellen bilang Ate. Talagang may tampo ako. Magtatayo na lang ako ng sarili kong blog at itatawag kong AS Blog.
with all due respect po, pinaligiran nila ng PLASTIC na bomba ang oakwood area, alam ko po ito, dahil galing po itong info na ito sa ilan sa sumali sa oakwood, including some from the core group. maaring hindi nyo po sang-ayunan ang paglalagay ng plastic na bomba nguni’t marahil ang dahilan ay precautionary measure para hindi lumapit ang mga usisero’t usisera. wala po namang “target” sapagka’t wala naman po silang balak na manakit o pumatay ng kahit na sino kahit na kaya naman nilang gawin ito. hindi po ako nagdudunong-dunungan sa mga sinabi ko, iyan po ay ayon sa aking narinig sa mga naroon at kasama sa insidenteng iyon.