By Juan Miguel Luz
(This appeared in the Philippine Daily Inquirer, Jan. 22, 2007)
There is much to be said about the decline in English proficiency in this country. But legislating English as the medium of instruction—as proposed by the Gullas Bill—is not the solution. In fact not just English, but also Science and Math proficiency will decline should this law pass.
Rather than propose that English be the sole medium of learning, we should in fact promote multi-lingualism: English, Filipino and the local language or dialect.
The Japanese will never forego Nihonggo for English, nor will the Chinese abandon Mandarin or Cantonese for the so-called global language. Neither would the Scandinavians, Germans or (mon Dieu!) the French. Why then are we so quick to ditch Filipino for English?
The overall concern about the decline in English proficiency is both correct and misplaced. Many employers speak of job applicants with appalling spoken and written English skills. They argue that this deficiency is a “lost comparative advantage” as shown by the dismal hiring rates of the growing call center industry.
But is poor English proficiency really the cause of our global uncompetitiveness? Or is it our low productivity and the inability to deliver consistent quality that hurt us?
The problem is not poor English. It is poor English, Science and Math skills. Weak English proficiency is not the sole determinant of poor overall achievement; it is merely a factor.
Unesco findings show that young children learn how to read and acquire numeracy faster and better when taught in their mother tongue. Their achievement rates in higher-grade levels are better than those who are taught in a language other than what they speak at home.
These findings have been replicated by the Summer Institute of Linguistics (SIL), which uses the mother tongue for teaching young children in Bukidnon and in other areas with indigenous people. These pupils have had relatively high literacy and numeracy scores in DepEd (Department of Education) tests.
The TIMSS (Trends in Math and Science Survey) test is administered here in English, making us one of the very few countries that take the test in a language that is not generally spoken at home. We do poorly in TIMSS. (The Japanese take TIMSS in Japanese; the Finns in Finnish.) But would taking the test in Filipino make for better scores?
The Department of Science and Technology did conduct such a test in Filipino and the results were equally dismal. Therefore, it’s not so much language; it is simply that children aren’t learning Science and Math well enough to solve problems.
On the other hand, “Sine’skwela,” the Science program on television, is broadcast in Filipino.
Dr. Milagros Ibe, then head of the National Institute of Science and Math Education (Nismed) at the University of the Philippines wrote: “Testing in English does not significantly disadvantage pupils who are taught in ‘Sine’skwela’ using Filipino as a medium. Understanding of the concepts in Filipino appears to facilitate transfer of learning to English.”
These children however are not fluent in English. In fact, “[they] find it hard to communicate and express themselves in English during recitations and discussions.”
But clearly, these children learn Science and Math: “Pupils in Grades 2 and 3 who watch ‘Sine’skwela’ attain master-level in 50-67 percent of the concepts learned, while those not exposed to the program master only 20-33 percent of the same …. Pupils in the lower grades are capable of responding to 4-option multiple choice questions .… Longer tests (i.e., more than 30 items) can also be used for them.”
In East Asia, the national or local language is used as the medium of learning for young children. English is taught as a subject—not as the medium of learning—and proficiency is seen as a key to connecting to the world, not as the key to learning.
We, however, seem to want to shortcut learning. We want to connect to the world to be competitive before we learn the fundamentals.
The current DepEd policy on the medium of learning set by former Education Secretary Andrew Gonzalez is sound. Brother Andrew was after all a linguist.
The policy says that the child’s mother tongue shall be the medium of learning in Grades 1 to 3 because the 3 R’s and fundamental Math and Science concepts are introduced at these grade levels. Makabayan (Social Studies) shall be taught in the mother tongue as well.
English and Filipino are to be taught as subjects.
If Mandarin someday became the global language for business, would you—an English speaker—learn your Science and Math concepts if it were taught to you in Mandarin? Probably not. The same would hold true for the young learner anywhere in this archipelago who does not speak English—or Mandarin—at home.
For Grades 4 to 6, there is a progressive shift to English as the medium of learning for English, Science and Math subjects. By this time, the concepts have taken root, and problem-solving and application are the learning objectives. Filipino will still be used to teach Filipino and Makabayan subjects.
For high school, the mid-grade policy on language is expanded.
The Gullas Bill is now in Congress, having been passed at the House of Representatives. Ironically, it does not deviate from the current DepEd policy. It is a dangerous bill, however, because it places a misleading emphasis on English as the medium of learning. As such, the young learners and their teachers will concentrate on the language, not on Science and Math and literacy (that is more fundamental to learning).
The key to better English is better implementation; more teacher training in grammar, composition, vocabulary; more mechanisms to expand English usage in schools such as campus journalism, campus radio, assigned days for English and Filipino communication and the like, more bilingual reading books and elocution contests and spelling bees (both in English and Filipino).
English is essential for communication, but Science and Math are crucial for competitiveness.
We need to be more creative and committed to better English teaching, but not at the expense of Science and Math. Legislation is not necessarily creative. The Gullas Bill in fact ignores world experience on learning by prescribing a solution that misses the problem completely: Why are Philippine schoolchildren not learning?
Juan Miguel Luz is president of the International Institute of Rural Reconstruction and a former education undersecretary.
Only thing I can say is Mr Luz is right: “We need to be more creative and committed to better English teaching, but not at the expense of Science and Math. “
Japan is a progressive country not because people here have adopted English as a language, but because they have been Japanese first before they can think of being anything else.
I think it is stupid to think that the Philippines can rise up to the level of the G-7 countries if all Filipinos can master English. Sinong may idea niyan? Si Pandak, who speaks English with a bad accent? Pwe! Another palpak policy eh?
Absolutely, Anna.
But wouldn’t it be better if they made it optional instead of uniformal? Some kids, especially those with superior grasp in any language and those closely supervised by parents, would fare better if they had the option, why limit?
I can’t imagine the extra effort and expense it would require to translate scientific words just so textbooks, teachers, students, and parents would comply with a new law.
Expanding, not limiting, of the options will ensure that the transfer and retention of knowledge will be achieved more efficiently at a faster rate.
Gullas, just like his President, may be planning to turn the whole future population into OFWs if not call center agents. I can’t find any other valid reason behind it.
It’s unbelievable. Pinas will soon become a ghost country based on the exodus of pinoys to other countries, and yet the authorities are still in quandary as to what language should be made a permanent medium of instruction in schools.
Pilipinas ang bansa, Pilipino ang wika. Ano ang problema ni Gullas? Mas madaling matuto ang mga bata kung ang gamit sa elementary grades ay iyon ding salita nila sa bahay (Pilipino or dialects).
Para sa akin, ang English ay gawin na lang na subject, simulan sa elementarya, at pagbutihin ang pagtuturo nito. Hindi gaya ngayon na ang English teachers daw ay hindi rin marunong mag-English!
Ito talagang si Gullas, ang ambisyon lang yata sa mga kabataang pinoy ay magtrabaho sa “call centers”!
Children are very adaptive. They will learn any subject from a competent teacher. If the community further reinforces their learning, they will excel in whatever is taught them. The key then is having competent teachers who know how to teach and what to teach. The teachers must be trained to master the subjects they are teaching and to master the various strategies in learning and teaching given the diverse learning styles and the multiple intelligences of each learner. Master teachers who inspire their students to learn how to learn will empower these students to pursue learning in whatever field of interest to them.
I think so too Tongue.
To me, learning math and science should be at par with learning English. Luz is right about that. Education is not learning or being proficient in English.
There are countries that produce good engineers, technicians, doctors, scientists, dentists, technicians and reasearchers, financial wizards who, if tested separately will yield results showing appalling command of the English language, i.e., France, China, Japan, etc. In other words, English proficiency is not the basis of a well-rounded education. It’s good to be proficient in all three branches.
Schools must have good English teaching and learning curricula but it’s imperative to focus great efforts in teaching teachers to teach these universal subjects as well: MATHS & SCIENCES.
Primary school children in France from age 7 to 12 spend 5 to 6 hours of pure Maths weekly… Maths and sciences are the future of the universe. That’s where global competition is gonna be albeit in business and in other areas or concerns.
And I definitely agree with cocopilot: it is indispensable that “The teachers must be trained to master the subjects they are teaching and to master the various strategies in learning and teaching given the diverse learning styles and the multiple intelligences of each learner.”
Peregrine Worsthorne, a former MP (Tory) and currently a writer said:
“Social engineering by the state seldom works. There is now less upward social mobility than there was before. Governments only make matters worse.”
Especially when a government is run by a fake president, a fake PhD, and a fake economist!
I think senator Lapid has covered that issue long time ago.
In my younger years, our school (in Baguio)had american volunteers.That’s from elementary thru high school. They only teach math,science and world geography.Other subjects like English were taught by local teachers.This was an experimental method of learning implemented by the late Pres Marcos.We were given 100 pesos a month back in those days..Meron ba si unano nito? Ganito kami noon,Paano kayo ngayon?
The fake president is the perfect role model to teach a child how to be a cheater, a liar, and a thief. The spouse is equally talented. What more can I say?
Wow, Apoy, you’re one lucky guy. What happened to this experimental learning? Ah, wala na nga pala si Apo Mackoy.
Wala niyan si unano kasi kahit P100 ay binubulsa n’ya!
Apoy:
RE; I think senator Lapid has covered that issue long time ago.
You are right brother .In fact, because the senator is the sole spokening english in the senate ,he comprehend fully all the bills that land on his desk, that’s the reason he don’t participate in debate. Aye,Nay I affixed my signature,everytime they asked the senator.
Wha? My last post was lost to blog purgatory! Ang haba pa naman.
Anyways, I was replying to Yuko and I said there that international ratings were never been kind to the country that our competitiveness had slid tremendously under this incompetent regime. One such rating came out just as the Midget idiotically declared before a gathering of businessmen that the Philippines has achieved “second world” status. It brought her so much shame she won’t ever hear of it again. She even boasted that (invisible) investors favor the country because it’s easier to communicate with Pinoys. This was followed by other poor showings like that of our schools with UP at the highest yet wasn’t a standing to celebrate about.
And her “bright” Tongressmen conclude. “Aha! It’s the English language!” Gloria believes its the same culprit, never mind that she thought she was brilliant when she cut the classroom shortage by half by packing in more students in already-cramped classrooms and shifting schedules.
Nah, English proficiency can’t be a measure of success. If it were, then Uganda, Nigeria, Togo, Benin and many other African states wouldn’t go hungry. What they are good in using English at is in 349 scams. They’ve probably sent an email to anyone that has an email addy informing him of a “reative” who died with millions in the bank and no heirs. So the story goes and before you know it, you’ve been ripped off a thousand dollars, or a DVD player, or your credit card number. My former boss even says English is the language of crooks. He’s British.
It’s no sure passport to success. But it can help provide a passport for the DH, the caregiver, the warzone truckdriver, and others in countries where citizens don’t even speak English. That’s the stuff that Gloria wants.
What many educators fail to recognize, however, is that the practical language of today’s Pinoy generation has evolved into a technology-laden tongue that is concise, creative and at times, requires intelligent deciphering both by sender and receiver. The message gets across, though! That is what matters in communication, right? The “text generation” is well dispersed across social classes and physical location. That’s one area where the elders look for to find the holy grail of communication and education.
“Wher r u na? D2 na me”.
Does Glueria know text language? I guess not, kasi she doesn’t know a lot of things, except mangurakot!
My eldest sister is an excellent texter. When I visited Pinas the last time, she asked her maid to teach me how to text so she can communicate with me daw anywhere I go outside of our town. Pinasikatan ko the next day I was in Gapo. Naluma ang text lingo n’ya sa aking incomprehensible message and had to ask the help of her alaga, a 9 year old boy, to decipher my message. Lo and behold, the boy got it in a second. Bilib ako sa galing ng “text generation”.
“Wher r u na? D2 na me”. heheh! Luv it!
Sorry folks to inject the following comments here (really off topic) but just wanna tell you that some US bloggers are discussing a taboo topic concerning Bush: (one of the commenters was a former member of the US Marines)
DB Cooper said…
(1)If Bush attacks Iran this year as thought could he declare martial law next year and suspend elections?
(2)If that happens, will a military coup d’etat save us?
1/31/2007 08:05:00 AM
skip sievert said…
A military coup would save us.? That would depend on what kind of coup , would it not.? What group within the Military. The ones connected with Congress.? No, that would sink us. There are lots of people in the War College and elsewhere that know what is going on. Many would like to institute a non-Political system.
They understand why Bush got rid of the old Fema system , and instituted the New Fema into homeland defense where he is the Chief, with an internal General of the U.S. command.
Now Fema is controlled by the White house and Congress. In its former , stand alone days, it pulled the plug on the White House and Congress for 6 months in a nationwide emergency. I don`t think you people realize that it is the Congress here also, which is the enemy. The crooked politicians/special interest Corporatacracy.
The old Total Conscription aspect of Technocracy under Fema was designed to shift us into a different type of System. Bush and Congress and cohorts disassembled that . It was an entree beyond our current Price System.
Technocrats from the 1940`s designed Fema originally as a way out of the current system. Fact.
So things are going to get very messy. There is going to be a fight now between our Political and our Military system. Both sides see what is at stake. Get ready for major chaos.
The people may have to take on the winner.
Fraid the people on this site are mostly brain-washed.
1/31/2007 11:19:00 AM
coup d’état ain’t only being discussed by Pinas bloggers!
Obviously the very successful are the one’s that can communicate whether it be english, filipino, french, german whatever, but the fact remains that our written contracts are in english, so there’s at least one reason we have to know english and know it well. This also makes us competitive with other countries, or should be, because many visiting countries also have their contracts produced in english.
So for me, if there’s a problem its not in the learning ability. filipino’s are very talented in learning, but more the teaching ability because some of the english teachers I’ve met do not command good english themselves, therefore they cannot pass on good english to the student. At the same time english is a difficult language to master.
A quick story: British guy was puzzeled when a filipino told him he was a hypocrite whilst smiling at him. I spoke to the filipino who saw no need for an apology, he told me everyone knew the british were htpocrites, further investigation revealed that what the filipino was meaning was that the british was aristocrat, meaning noble. The british guy is still laughing about it. Very few of our news presenter on television have mastered proper english, thats where young people learn english, so its important that if a programme uses english the presenter should use it properly.
Europe puts a lot of attention to the sciences. To be effective in science you need proficiency in english and math subjects, three birds with one stone, so to speak.
Hahahhahahaha!
“I spoke to the filipino who saw no need for an apology, he told me everyone knew the british were htpocrites, further investigation revealed that what the filipino was meaning was that the british was aristocrat, meaning noble.”
anna:
I think this british guy knows you ….hahahah!
isa lang ang masasabi ko dito…..
ingles ang gamit sa blog na ito 99.9%
WWNL, But I haven’t seen Prince Charles in ages…. hahahahah!
British, hypocrites? Anna, I met a lot more hypocrites in the Philippines than when I was in Oxford. Walang nga silang hangin sa ulo e di gaya nitong mga inutil na Tongresista, sundalong kanin at burot ng Malacanang!
Regal bearing, YES, but hypocrite, NO! Tignan mo naman si Great Switik, kunyari royalty, pero ang dating naman parang tindera ng malansang isda sa palengke! Pwe!
Kabarkada ng foster Dad ko doon mga MPs na naging kaklase niya sa Oxford (Pembroke College same as me). Siyempre kasama ako sa pub even when I could not drink because of my religion. Masarap lang makipag-discuss especially on politics and history. Down to earth nga kahit na nga iyong nanay ng foster Mom ko na baroness sa Britanny. Mas mahangin pa nga iyong mga Pidals na ang nuno ay yumaman sa jueteng at ang dating naman ay parang mga kargador sa pier na walang pinag-aralan!
Asawa ko nga Samurai Class ang pinanggalingan, hindi nagsasalita ng wikang kanto kasi pa-class, but not hypocrite. May finesse lang. Sabi ko nga sa barkada, I don’t speak bad words in Japanese and in our house. Dito nga lang ako nakakapagmura!
BTW, my husband is by profession an engineer. He has a license as a metallurgical engineer. He does not speak English well. He learned his trade in Japanese. No need to use English kasi naka-Japanese naman lahat ang mga technical terms, even those they borrowed from other countries especially Germany. As for me, I have learned a lot of technical terms in Japanese first before learning the English words for them, and only in connection with my translation job.
I don’t consider myself a genius even when I can speak 5 major foreign languages. It is just a matter of having that “gift of tongue” and a lot of what they say in Tagalog, “nagsunog ng kilay!”
Hindi naman mga British or Americans, bakit kailangang ingles ang lingua franca ng Pilipinas. Puede namang matutunan ang ibang wika kapag nakatira na sa ibang bansa. Tignan mo nga iyong mga Japayuki na natuto ng wikang hapon kahit na pabarok-barok!
Bakit kailangan ba ng mga super maids na maging elite-class ang kanilang mga ingles? Hindi nga sila kinakausap ng mga aristocratic na amo nila kundi para utusan lang! Stupid talaga ang mga gunggong na palakpakan brigade ni Great Switik, ano?
Yuko, “British, hypocrites?” – it was a story by WWNL about a Pinoy who actually who meant it as a compliment – he mistook hypocrites to mean aristocrats… heheh!
Ano ba yan Yuko, “pabarok-barok”. hahahah! Ages ko ng huling marinig/mabasa pala ang salitang yan. Nakakatuwa! Yan ang gusto ko sa iyo, napapahagalpak mo ako ng tawa sa tig-iisang salita lang. hahahah!
It’s easy to learn a foreign tongue if there’s a need.
Isa lang ang alam kong hypocrite, si Dirty Mama G!
Naku Chi, dahil puro hangin daw (PhD), baka akala ng unano na yan hypocrite means aristocrat at papuri pa sa kanya pareho ng Pinoy sa storya ni WWNL… hahahah!
Naku Chi, dahil puro hangin daw (PhD), baka akala ng unano na yan hypocrite means aristocrat at papuri pa sa kanya pareho ng Pinoy sa storya ni WWNL… hahahah!
I bet pareho talaga ang intindi ng bansot sa dalawang words na ‘yan! hahahah! Kasi naman Anna, ang aristocrat ( sa mga movies) ay natataas ang forehead palagi. Ang hypocrite ay nakataas din ang forehead sabay smirk! E di pareho nga kay bansot ang meaning ng hypocrite at aristocrat! hahahah!
hahahha! Kaya pala laging masakit ang leeg nitong si unano, panay ang pa pweh niya! heh! kaya ayon, pati utak na…ano na nga ba – gosh… i can’t even remember the tagalog word for shaken – (not stirred a la james bond!)
anna;
“But I haven’t seen Prince Charles in ages…. hahahahah!”
Shuuuuuush… not in front of the children, your secret is my secret… hahahah!
This Gullas bill, that English as a medium of instruction to be teach in school is a recycle proposal .All I can see is just a pogi point, because he couldn’t think of something new to enhance our grade pupil knowledge.
English was been taught in our learning institution since American era when our country fell under there rule .The people of that generation spoke that language fluently than the latest generation of today.. Until now English teaching in our school exist.
English is an essential tool to compete globally .The success depends on the ability to communicate ,if someone miss out on this linguistic conversation the change for professional and personal success is limited compared to there peers.
We need to look for a solution how to improve there skills. It is useless to pass a bill without implementation, We need to provide our pupil with good reading materials and train the teacher until there mastery in this subject is par excellence.—-without this basic techniques we will fail again as it’s always been.
I leave a question.—Do we have budget to implement this bill?
anna:
You will realise that if the German had won WW2 in europe we would all be speaking German including the British etc. when the german occupied Holland they the dutch, were forbidden to speak english. I have many Dutch friends where the older ones have difficulty speaking english (those who were children during WW2) the modern younger Dutch speak english fluently.
Anna,
“…pati utak naalog (shaken)”. Tama ba, Yuko?
Blogging has opened up a whole new world of communication, even now, at this very moment, there could be silent observers looking on, in Ellen’s blog, who are from many countries who are not themselves filipino that would surprise us no doubt.
If so, let’s hope that they join in also.
Ahh, WWNL, but that’s the beauty of the brave and the determined. The Nazis lost. Problem is many non-Filipino folks who might want to join in will be completely confused. Dahil sa taglish component ng blog. Heheh!
*****
Oo nga pala, “alog”…thanks Chi.
O sige, dear friends, I’m already antok, so must go tulog already… Hahahah!
Gut nacht, bonne nuit, good night, magandang gabi, ano pa ba? noche buena… arrividerci, eeek! Sige, hasta la vista, a demain, cya all tomorrow!
Before they even talk about the medium of instruction to be adopted, unahin muna ang pag-evaluate sa mga teachers/instructors, siguruhin lang na ang lahat na haharap sa mga estudyante ay talagang qualified, marunong at alam ang kaniyang itinuturo. Kapag ang teacher ay tamad na nga at hindi pa marunong, boring ang dating niya sa mga estudyante, hindi niya ma-hold ang attention nila at wala silang gana o interest na matuto, kaya ang nangyayari, ang mga graduates ay mga half-baked, o kaya hilaw. Pero kapag ang isang nagtututro ay talagang mahusay, he/she can make the subject interesting, capture and hold the full attention and interest of the students to learn and even look forward to the next meeting. Ang hindi maganda kasi sa Educational system natin ay maraming-marami ang mga tamad at hindi mahuhusay na nagtuturo. Nakokontento na lang sila na pumapasok dahil sa suweldo, hind bale ng walang matutuhan ang mga estudyante, iyong mga iba papasok na may mga dala-dalang ititinda sa mga kapuwa teachers nila, mga tosino, longganisa, mga damit, mga tela at kung anu-ano pa at babayaran ng hulugan o kaya pagdating ng suweldo. Bakit ganoon ang nangyayari, kasi napakaliit ng kanilang mga suweldo kaya hindi sila inspired sa kanilang pagtuturo. Ang gobyerno dapat gawing isa sa pinakamataas ang priority ang educational system para hindi lahat tatandang mga bobo at maging OFW ang mga Pilipino. Masuwerte yong mga mayayaman nakakapagaral sila sa mga exclusive private schools, pero mas maraming mahirap sa Pilipinas na siyang dapat tulungan ng gobyerno. Kung bawas-bawasan lang naman sana ng gobyerno ang pagnanakaw, sana magamit pa ito para ma-improve ang educational system. Iyan talaga ang dapat asikasuhin, hindi yong puro pagpapayaman
And why not make Pilipino the medium of instruction in all subjects except in Math and Sciences and of course English?
Florry:
Ang isa pang problema kaya hindi natutoto ang mga studyante sa pag-aaral dahil pumapasok ng klase na kumakalam ang sikmura.Pag gutom ang tao hindi nakakapag concentrate.Iyan ang dapat pagtuunan ng pansin ng gobyerno natin.Dapat mayroon silang feeding program sa mga salat na mag-aaral.Pakainin ng almusal at tanghalian sa eskwela.
Dito sa America ang mga studyante from pre-school to high school ay may libreng almusal at tanghalian. Pag medyo poverty level ay free lunch and breakfast tickets.Maganda ang educational program dito kaya lahat ay may opportunity na makapag-aral.Libre ang pag-aaral dito hanggang maka-graduate ng high school.4yrs.old pre-school,5yrs,old kinder.1-5 elementary education.6-8 grade,junior high.9-12 high school.Kung bibilangin mo iyan, student spent 14 years of formal schooling bago makagraduate ng high school.Hindi puwede dito iyong present ka lang at baka sakali mapasang awa ka.Mahihirap ang mga homework. Walang pasang awa dito kailangan mag-aral ng husto pag hindi nakapasa failed talaga at uulitin na naman.
Ang mahirap na subject ay P.E.—Isang oras araw-araw rigid talaga.Mag jojogging ng 2 miles ang mga studyante. Pagdating ng college medyo na masakit sa bulsa,kaya ang mga iba they join the military para makakuha sila ng GI bills 4 year schoolarships matapos ang contract nila ng 4 years in service.Kaya dito maganda ang mga oppurtunity in life.Liban lang kung talagang tamad.
Masisipag ang mga titser sa Pilipinas. Hindi ba nagtitinda pa sila ng kung ano ano, kagaya ng avon at tupperware, in addition sa pagtuturo para pandagdag sa kita. Kung husto ang paycheck nila, pwede sigurong mafocus nila ang efforts nila sa effective na pagtuturo. Isa pa, ang mga titser dapat may mga assistants din sa loob ng clase, para iyong mga nakukulelat ay maturuan closely para makahabol, at para na ring solution sa dami ng students in a class, bec of classroom deficits. Kaysa magsuper maid sa overseas ang mga teacher graduates, i appoint na lang silang mga teacher assistants, mababawasan pa ang mga walang trabaho. Kunin ang pondo sa pork barrel ni Glueria. Ina ng awa, mayaman ang pilipinas kung hindi dahil sa mga kurakot. Isa sa pinakakurakot din naman ang DECS, kaya naku ewan kung kailan mabibiyayaan ang bansa ng katinuan.
kitakits’, ang isa sa mga gusto kong subject noong high school pa ako ay itong YDT.
sayang nga lang at hindi naisama sa pagtuturo nito na kabisaduhin ang mga geographical location ng bansang amerika.
pero dito sa call center na pinagta-trabahuhan ko, kasama sa training ng mga call center agents ay ang buong mapa ng North Amerika. kasama na dito ang shapes and sizes ng mga mapa sa “tate sa merika”, kailangan ay saulado mo rin ang kani-kanilang mga kabisera.
kailangan na maganda din ang iyong ‘diksyon’ para masabi ng callers na sa US of A talaga ang call center.
cocs’, napanood ko noong nakaraang gabi sa TV ang Reporters Notebook, dalawang eskwelahan sa Bicol ang sinalanta ng bagyong “MRS season” at walang mga bubong. naisulat ko ito sa isang maliit na papel pero hindi ko na malaman kung saan ko nailagay.
nagbabasa kasi ako ng libro noong nakaraang gabi kay shirley fish(When Britain Ruled the Philippines 1762-1764), at medyo pipikit pikit na ako sa antok nang marinig at mainagan(tama ba ang talatinigan ko?) ko sa TV ang tungkol sa dalawang eskwelahan sa Bikol. Albay National Science H.S. at isang North Central, ano ba yun?
Hindi ko talaga maalala, dapat pala talaga ay mayroon akong maliit na notebook sa tabi ng pilow ko sa tuwing nanonood ako ng TV sa gabi. Syempre, kasama din ang lapis na panulat …hala bira lang!
nabanggit din nga pala ni ADB dito ang sa Kudeta, …pumasok agad sa isipan ko ang pelikula ni Osang. Kasama na iyong The Siege ni Bruce Willis(aka Major General William Devereaux) at itong The House of the Spirits(Allende). Meron kasi dito na mga scene na Kudeta!
Dito talaga sa blog ni Ellen marami akong napupuntahan, kahapon lang iniisip ko pa rin kung papaano ko mapapanood sa DVD/VCD itong The Butler(The Remains of the Day) ni Anthony Hopkins, ngayon naman dito ako napadpad sa Amistad :
“Amistad is the name of a slave ship traveling towards the New World in 1839. It is carrying a cargo of Africans who have been captured, taken on board, and chained in the cargo hold of the ship. As the ship is crossing the Atlantic, Cinque, who was a tribal leader in Africa, leads a mutiny and takes over the ship. They continue to sail, hoping to find help when they land. Instead, when they reach the United States, they are imprisoned as runaway slaves. They don’t speak a word of English, and it seems like they are doomed to die for killing their captors when an abolitionist lawyer decides to take their case, arguing that they were free citizens of another country and not slaves at all. The case finally gets to the Supreme Court, where John Quincy Adams makes an impassioned and eloquent plea for their release.
hmmmmm… malay natin baka sa baleay ko lang ito mapanood kesa i-download ko pa?
Chi,
Not “naalog” but “nakalog” parang niyog na puro tubig lang! It’s actually how I have described the Great Switik’s head! Parang empty coconut shell!!! 😛
Florry: Masuwerte yong mga mayayaman nakakapagaral sila sa mga exclusive private schools, pero mas maraming mahirap sa Pilipinas na siyang dapat tulungan ng gobyerno. Kung bawas-bawasan lang naman sana ng gobyerno ang pagnanakaw, sana magamit pa ito para ma-improve ang educational system. Iyan talaga ang dapat asikasuhin, hindi yong puro pagpapayaman
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Sinabi mo pa. O tignan mo nga komo marunong daw sila ng ingles, matalino na raw sila, pero hindi naiisip na kung karamihan ng taumbayan ay walang pinag-aralan dahil bata pa hinuhubog nang maghanapbuhay gaya noong mga high school drop out na nilolokong kumuha ng caregiver’s training daw pero ang totoo ay nakakalibre iyong mga amiga/amigo ng mga government recruiters na hindi sila binabayaran dahil part daw ng training nila iyong pagbibigay ng care doon sa mga nasa care home na pag-aari rin ng mga tinamanang mga recruiters!!! Raket galore!
Iyon namang mga batang babae, ang gusto maging Japayuki na hindi alam ang ibig sabihin ay prostituta pala na noong maliit ako ang tawag ay pampam! Susmaryosep! No need to speak English in Japan as a matter of fact.
ang nakikita ko dito sa bill ni gullas ay bahagi ng grand design and vision ng administrasyon ni bruha na maging number 1 exporter ang pilipinas ng mga supermaids, caregivers (pero katulong pa rin) at cheap labor sa buong mundo. hindi na kailangan ang science and math para maging alila, ang kailangan nga ay marunong ka ng english para kahit papaano ay maintindihan mo ang utos ng amo mo. mas mabuti nga na bobo ka sa math para hindi mo makwenta ang mmga kinukurakot sa iyo ng gobyerno bago ka pa man makasakay ng eroplano at kung magkano uli ang ninanakaw mula sa iyong sweldo. hindi magtatagal, magiging bahagi na ng school curriculum mula elementary hanggang college kung paano gumamit ng floor polisher, dishwasher, washer and dryer etc.
pero kung sakaling magbago ang ihip ng hangin, andyan naman si hello garci para magturo ng math sa kabataan, may kasama pang magic kung paano matalo sa botohan at manalo sa bilangan. at nandiyan si joke-joke, ang science wizard, ituturo niya paanong maging mabisang abono ang tubig.
Anna,
Oyasumi nasai(Good night), pero “Konnichi wa” pa dito kasi maliwanag pa. Sa gabi, “Konban wa” at sa umaga ay “Ohayo gozaimasu.” Anyway, “Bonne nuit!”
cocoy,
na bulls-eye mo ang isa sa dahilan kung bakit mahina ang ulo ng ating mga kabataan, malnutrisyon. hindi talaga matututo ang batang walang laman ang tiyan. o kaya naman ay putyat dahil nagtitinda pa iyan ng balot sa gabi, o diyaryo sa madaling araw, o plastik sa mga palengke. hindi na iyan nakakapaglaro o nakakapagbasa ng libro (kung meron man)dahil pagkagaling sa eskwela ay tutulong pa iyan sa paghahanapbuhay para may makain ang pamilya.
hindi alam ng bruhang pekeng presidente iyan dahil wala siyang pakialam sa paghihirap ng ating mga kababayan. mas gusto pa nga niyang rumampa sa ibang bansa at enjoy gumastos sa pera ng bayan na ating pinaghirapan.
khung matsutsuloy na izulong ang vill na itho, dafat ay zi ghloria arrrrrrrroyo ang unhang maghaza ng khaniyang eeenggleeeezh. ihaza nha rin ang khanyang nghuzzo at nghifen fara hindi zumazavit khafag nhagzazalhita ziya. thumathalzik fati lhaway at hangin. fwe!
Instead of English, they should teach Filipinos in fact to have more integrity, sincerity and honesty. Wala niyan iyong mga squatters ng Malacanang. Wala ngang delikadeza e.
I would like to share this story at baka may mapulot ang marami dito di gaya ng mga Pidals na sinungaling na magnanakaw pa!:
The Price of Integrity
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“Some 30 years ago, while working in the corporate world, some business associates and I were passing through O’Hare Airport in Chicago, Illinois. One of these men had just sold his company for tens of millions of dollars–in other words, he was not poor.
“As we were passing a newspaper vending machine, this individual put a quarter in the machine, opened the door to the stack of papers inside the machine, and began dispensing unpaid-for newspapers to each of us. When he handed me a newspaper, I put a quarter in the machine and, trying
not to offend but to make a point, jokingly said, ‘Jim, for 25 cents I can maintain my integrity. A dollar, questionable, but 25 cents–no, not for 25 cents.’ You see, I remembered well the experience of three towels and a broken-down 1941 Hudson. A few minutes later we passed the same newspaper vending machine. I noticed that Jim had broken away from our group and was stuffing quarters in the vending machine. I tell you this incident not to portray myself as an unusual example of honesty, but only to emphasize the lessons of three towels and a 25-cent newspaper.
“There will never be honesty in the business world, in the schools, in the home, or anyplace else until there is honesty in the heart.”
(Richard C. Edgley, “Three Towels and a 25-cent Newspaper,” Ensign, Nov. 2006, 73-74)
ystakei,
last year meron nang panukala na isama sa kurikulum ang values education or values formation. tama ang sinabi mo, papaano tuturuan ang tamang values ang mga kabataan eh mismong itong pinuno daw ng bansa ay walang values, walang delikadesa, magnanakaw na manggagantso pa.
English like Math and Science should all be taught with the same intensity. I had a technical backgroungd in college. Most of my school mates were excellent in math, calcullus, physics and the like but some could not even write a gramatically correct sentence in English nor speak it eloquently. Proficiency in English became so important to me when I was doing International Marketing in the early 80s. Wherever I went, I had to communicate in English. Even in Japan, when in those days, almost all employees were Japanese speaking, communication had to be in English. Very young employees served as the translators(Yuko should know this). The same was true in Taiwan and Thailand.
There was a point in time when I was able to speak at least five dialects fluently. Young people can learn as many dialects and languages at an early age. There is no problem teaching them Filipino and English at the same time. Unfortunately, for our country, when we go to college, books are almost all written in English. We never translated these technical books to Filipino unlike the French, Japanese(my brother studied one of his Engineering degrees in Japan) and Chinese. It is therefore very important for us Filipinos to master English to compete worldwide.
I hated Spanish in high school and in college but later on, in my chosen field, it came in handy as well.
Our educational system is riddled with a lot of problems such as: lack of classrooms, lack of good teachers(less and less students opt for courses related to the medical field-nursing, physical therapy,med tech and the like), teachers are not paid well, students (grade school even) prefer to work in sweat shops to help in family income because of extreme poverty, lack of funds for the Department of Education for implementation of worthwhile programs and lots and lots of other related problems.
If only our leadership can earmark more budget for our education, it will help. Personally, over the years, I helped a lot of children in their education, from matriculation to books and allowances. But we have millions of children needing educational assistance. Unless our leadership invests in our youth, we will forever be a third world country! I hope Lapus, if indeed he has the passion for service, will do all he can to improve our educational system!
re: cocopilot’s The key then is having competent teachers who know how to teach and what to teach.
nasaan na ba iyong mga competent teachers natin? nasa ibang bansa na rin, yung iba nga hindi bilang teachers, kundi bilang mga maids. hindi rin naman natin sila masisisi, gusto lang nila ng mas maayos na buhay pra sa kanilang pamilya. wala naman silang magandang bukas na nasisilip sa ilalim ng pamumuno ni gloria, ang pekeng pangulo.
Mrivera, I had a hard time deciphering your blog! Heh,heh,heh.
The texting makes it even worse for our youth to learn English. It is short cut Tag-lish!
Correction…more and more students opt for courses related to the medical fields like nursing, med tech, physical therapy and the like.
one of the reason why a lot students lure to take those courses(i.e., medical arts) because of high paying jobs upon graduation mentality.
Susmaryosep, kahirap namang mag-ingles oo!
I forgot where in the internet I picked this up but I wanted to capture it here on this blogsite. Read on…
Can you read these right the first time?
01) The bandage was wound around the wound.
02) The farm was used to produce produce.
03) The dump was so full that it had to refuse more refuse.
04) We must polish the Polish furniture.
05) He could lead if he would get the lead out.
06) The soldier decided to desert his dessert in the desert.
07) Since there is no time like the present, he thought it was time to present the present.
08) A bass was painted on the head of the bass drum.
09) When shot at, the dove dove into the bushes.
10) I did not object to the object.
11) The insurance was invalid for the invalid.
12) There was a row among the oarsmen about how to row .
13) They were too close to the door to close it.
14) The buck does funny things when the does are present.
15) A seamstress and a sewer fell down into a sewer line.
16) To help with planting, the farmer taught his sow to sow.
17) The wind was too strong to wind the sail.
18.) Upon seeing the tear in the painting I shed a tear.
19) I had to subject the subject to a series of tests.
20) How can I intimate this to my most intimate friend?
Let’s face it – English is a crazy language. There is no egg in eggplant, nor ham in hamburger; neither apple nor pine in pineapple. English muffins weren’t invented in England or French fries in France. Sweetmeats are candies while sweetbreads, which aren’t sweet, are meat. We take English for granted. But if we explore its paradoxes, we find that quicksand can work slowly, boxing rings are square and a guinea pig is neither from Guinea nor is it a pig.
And why is it that writers write but fingers don’t fing, grocers don’t groce and hammers don’t ham? If the plural of tooth is teeth, why isn’t the plural of booth, beeth? One goose, 2 geese. So one moose, 2 meese? One index, 2 indices? Doesn’t it seem crazy that you can make amends but not one amend? If you have a bunch of odds and ends and get rid of all but one of them, what do you call it?
If teachers taught, why didn’t preachers praught? If a vegetarian eats vegetables, what does a humanitarian eat? Sometimes I think all the English speakers should be committed to an asylum for the verbally insane. In what language do people recite at a play and play at a recital? Ship by truck and send cargo by ship? Have noses that run and feet that smell?
How can a slim chance and a fat chance be the same, while a wise man and a wise guy are opposites? You have to marvel at the unique lunacy of a language in which your house can burn up as it burns down, in which you fill in a form by filling it out and in which, an alarm goes off by going on.
English was invented by people, not computers, and it reflects the creativity of the human race, which, of course, is not a race at all That is why, when the stars are out, they are visible, but when the lights are out, they are invisible.
And why doesn’t “Buick” rhyme with “quick”?
You lovers of the English language might enjoy this.
There is a two-letter word that perhaps has more meanings than any other two-letter word, and that is “UP.”
It’s easy to understand UP, meaning toward the sky or at the top of the list, but when we awaken in the morning, why do we wake UP? At a meeting, why does a topic come UP? Why do we speak UP and why are the officers UP for election and why is it UP to the secretary to write UP a report?
We call UP our friends. And we use it to brighten UP a room, polish UP the silver, we warm UP the leftovers and clean UP the kitchen. We lock UP the house and some guys fix UP the old car. At other times the little word has real special meaning. People stir UP trouble, line UP for tickets, work UP an appetite, and think UP excuses. To be dressed is one thing, but to be dressed UP is special.
And this UP is confusing: A drain must be opened UP because it is stopped UP. We open UP a store in the morning but we close it UP at night.
We seem to be pretty mixed UP about UP! To be knowledgeable about the proper uses of UP, look the word UP in the dictionary. In a desk-sized dictionary, it takes UP almost 1/4th of the page and can add UP to about thirty definitions. If you are UP to it, you might try building UP a list of the many ways UP is used. It will take UP a lot of your time, but if you don’t give UP, you may wind UP with a hundred or more. When it threatens to rain, we say it is clouding UP. When the sun comes out we say it is clearing UP.
When it rains, it wets the earth and often messes things UP.
When it doesn’t rain for awhile, things dry UP.
One could go on and on, but I’ll wrap it UP, for now my time is UP, so……….. it is time to shut UP…..!
Oh . . . one more thing: What is the first thing you do in the morning & the last thing you do at night? U-P
Parasabayan:
If every high school graduates opt to take medical fields dahil gusto nilang mag-abroad,wala na namang mangyayari sa bansa natin.Mabuti sana kung lahat ng nakatapos ay nakaka-abroad.Malaking pera rin ang kailangan uli.Mabuti sana kung ang lahat ay may pera pang-gastos.
Ang kinalalabasan niyan bandang huli,lahat ay doctor,nurse at physical therapist na walang mga pasyente.Kung maraming stambay na nurse sa atin ang mangyayari sa kanila ay lowest bidder na naman pagdating sa paghahanap ng trabaho.Wala na bang may gustong kumuha ng vocational?Kaya matatalino itong mga bakla sila ang nagsasamantala na kumuha niyan.Sila ang kumakamit ng biyaya.
to upgrade education in the pinas, one should first take a look at the number of years to come to college or university. 10 years is simply not enough.some countries even start earlier than 7 years old.why blame the teachers, when they are the worst paid overwork people in the pinas today.first they must improve the payment for these people so that we can get better teachers.language is important to understand math and natural sciences, but one can ask why we are not using our own language to understand these subjects.one can hardly find a book on these subjects in any of our native languages.does our national language lack the depth and bredth necessary so that we can use it?if so then we must strive to upgrade it.
apoy, nya he hi ha ho hoh! ano ba ‘yun? nahilo ako ‘dun ah!
anyway my fffffriend (sori, nagtastalsikan ang laway, he he) talaga namang ganyan ang english language. kalokohan ng english tongued, bakit ‘kamo? magaling nga silang magsalita ng ingles, ipa-analyze mo at hindi nila masabi ng tama kung ano ang tunay at dapat na maging punto.
kaya ganito ang labas ng mga pinoy, dahil sa kagunggungan ng mga mambubutas na sobrang mga talino na sa katalinuhan, ang utak ay lumalabas na sa ilong at tenga, tumutulo sa bibig at iniraraos sa mga escort services. lintek na mga iyang ayaw umisip ng matinong batas na magiging kapakipakinabang sa sambayanan. maipantatawid gutom ba ang kahusayan ng pagsasalita ng inggles?
@#$%^&%^$#@$%^&*!!!!!
parasabayan, na’awa kasi haku sa baliw na babaheng muk’ang daga sa malakanyang na hayaw humalis sa kanyang lungga. ‘yun bang meron daw PhD galing georgetown university at kaklase daw ni bill clinton. may dekorasyon pa ‘yung talsikan ng laway at sumasagistsit na ‘angin kapag nagsasalita. he he heh! arrruuuuu diyos ku!
mga kasamang my friends,
taga saan ba itong gulyasan na ito? maipamppataba kaya sa halaman ang inggles? maiintindihan kaya ng isda kung mahusay magsalita ng inggles ang piserman? nagtatanong lang.
Cocoy, hangat wala tayong mga pagawaan ng mga producto at mga industria na puwedeng pagtrabahuan, kahit na anong kurso ang kukunin ng mga babataan, wala pa rin hanapbuhay ang mga tao. Kaya, karamihan ng mga estudiyante, mas gusto na lang nilang magaral ng puwedeng pakinabangang kurso para mangibang bansa na lang sila.
Norpil, kaya nga sinasabi ko na mahirap tayong hindi matuto ng Ingles kasi kakailanganin natin ito pag nagkolehiyo tayo dahil ang karamihan ng mga libro natin sa science, math, chemistry atbp ay nasa Ingles pa rin hanggang ngayon.
Magno( is this your first name MRivera?), kaya nagtatalsikan ang laway ni tiyanak kasi sungki sungki yung ngipin niya ( o baka pustiso na ang mga ngipin niye…heh,heh,heh) at baka hindi siya nagpa-brace noong bata bata pa siya.
Cocoy, hangat wala tayong mga pagawaan ng mga producto at mga industria na puwedeng pagtrabahuan, kahit na anong kurso ang kukunin ng mga babataan, wala pa rin hanapbuhay ang mga tao. Kaya, karamihan ng mga estudiyante, mas gusto na lang nilang magaral ng puwedeng pakinabangang kurso para mangibang bansa na lang sila.
Norpil, kaya nga sinasabi ko na mahirap tayong hindi matuto ng Ingles kasi kakailanganin natin ito pag nagkolehiyo tayo dahil ang karamihan ng mga libro natin sa science, math, chemistry atbp ay nasa Ingles pa rin hanggang ngayon.
Magno( is this your first name MRivera?), kaya nagtatalsikan ang laway ni tiyanak kasi sungki sungki yung ngipin niya ( o baka pustiso na ang mga ngipin niye…heh,heh,heh) at baka hindi siya nagpa-brace noong bata bata pa siya.
parasabayan: may technical background ka din pala. ok palagay ko same wavelenght naman tayo when it comes to education sa pinas. ano ang palagay mo kung bakit wala tayong mga librong tungkol sa math at science.agree with you that we must have english, kahit dito sa norway, bago mag college ay kailangan mo ang proficiency in 3 major european languages including english.
norpil: cocoy: parasabayan ALL
You maybe interested to know that there is such a thing in the uk called The Open University which caters foe most ages and all disabilities
They have around 150,000 undergraduate and more than 30,000 postgraduate students. 10,000 of our students have disabilities. The Open University’s style of teaching is called supported open learning.
Nearly all students are studying part-time. About 70 per cent of undergraduate students are in full-time employment. More than 50,000 students are sponsored by their employers for their studies.
11,000 people are currently studying for OU Higher Degrees.
Most OU courses are available throughout Europe. Some of them are available in many other parts of the world.
More than 25,000 OU students live outside the UK.
The University itself is ranked among the top UK universities for the quality of its teaching. What a bonus if they could set-up the same here.
If you want to know more go to: http://www.open.ac.uk
here I go again, I just don’t get it.
like sancho panza
any positive change, any real reform should start with our politicians. Our swift deterioration in Language proficiency (vernacular or foreign) and in education in general can be traced to the wrong doings of our politicians. The entire social sector especially health and education had been ravaged by our dirty politicians.
Just take note of the news on corruption.
Where corruptions lies and where people sleeps you will find the nitty gritty of our downslide as a nation.
I talked of the real malaise and not about the symptoms and the little pains that pester the Filipino people. He is so sick now that he can become the international leper, easily with the Arroyos and Macapagal as presidents for life.
jay cynikho:
I certainly agree with you, All our institutions have been corrupted without exception, a concerted effort for all institutions to be remodelled its that bad, not just the depart. of education. Thats my opinion.
apoy
your questions blew my mind.
to some, not to me, those are
the reasons why we seem to be failing
or sliding down the gutter in whatever we do.
I can not for the life of me, understand why
our country can have leaders like Marcos, Cory, Ramos, Ejercito, and God has put a curse on us,
gave us Gloria Arroyo. Where did they come from when we had Quezon, Roxas, Osmena and even Laurel, Magsaysay?
Tama ba ang aking English? Sa Pepe and Pilar lang nagsimula yan. Typewritten lang by my grade one teacher noon liberation. Tulad ni Erap, I was supposed to finish English Grammar at Grade six. Pero anong nangyari sa English ni Erap?
jay cynikho:
What can you say about english words we pronounce bearing in mind the definition of pfonouce is “utter sounds or words: to articulate sounds or words, especially in a way acceptable by most speakers of a language”
pronounce – sorry typing error due to my clapped out keyboard
i think parasabayan said it all. however, kahit ano pa ang sabihin, whether we brainwash everyone with english, nasa sa tao parin ito. having chinese lineage, i wasnt as proficient until i met my hubby, (who is 99.5 chinese and 0.5 japanese).i studied in a chinese school for 10 years but i gave them all back to the teacher so to speak. am not proud of it and in short regretting it..i may understand and speak fookienese 99%, understand mandarin (but my tongue hardens when i have to speak) and i can hardly write a paragraph without the aid of a dictionary.now that i have children who also had some chinese education background, it is a shame that we speak english at home almost 50% in our conversation. they are even frustrated in their Pilipino subject. i never had any problem with Pilipino and was an essay mill during my time being able to write 3 essays in one period for my lazy classmates(they help me with the math hehe). As for Math, believe me, i can only count the multiplication table in chinese!i learned spanish in college(who didnt)and a tita who was half portuguese but was teaching spanish inPWU. learned a little french while working and i am brushing up on my own with Mandarin right now. what i am getting at is that why roack the boat for those who are really not able to swim with the tide. I agree that children can learn 5 or even 6 languages at the same time at a vewry early age, but lets not kid ourselves or this stupid bogus admin of being a super-maid mill or a super-pimp country. first things first is to have the sincerity to clear and straighten things out and that is to curb population boom which comprises mostly of illeterate, C,D,E crowd..the rest is history….where trapos are like buwitre’s lurking to bait the ignorant and illeterate.
i am all for the teaching of Pilipino in the proper form. in reality, most of the parents i know complain that their children easily learn tagalog frm the yayas. unfortunately, they are not the best teachers. we parents are still the best teachers and models to our children no matter what language or ethics and principle. after this Pilipino immersion so to speak, i do believe eveything will follow. its up to us the parents how we will guide our children. this being done bec of the trapos pogi-points or whatever evil plans they have, we should not care. we should look at it that we have to make the most of this. we will jst drop the bomb if we see that its still the same old bullshit that we have. i admit myself that i am not a good english speaker…more so of americans who dont even know the proper simple grammar. being a texter myself, i find this as something of a brain teaser or i’d say an exercise for the monotony that this world is in. scrabble and crossword puzzle is still the best exercise for english words.
Yuko, Soleil, folks,
I envy people who can speak 4 or more foreign languages. Agree with Yuko that it’s a talent and coupled with hard work, one can learn.
How I would have loved to learn to speak German fluently (which I tried to learn too when I was in univ here), Japanese, Chinese, Spanish – one of my regrets was that I wasn’t determined enough to go for all of them (heh!).
Dad wanted us kids to learn Chinese (Mandarin or Fookien) when we were in grade school – matter of fact, one of my sis went to a Chinese school in Pinas. He believed that speaking one of the Chinese dialects was essential and boy was he right!
Norpil is right, “10 years is simply not enough.”
French and UK schools have mandatory 13-year primary and secondary schoolings; children finish ‘high school’ at age 18 or 19.
Classes are usually from 8 AM to 4:30 PM (of course with breaks in between.)
There is no secret: good education comes at a price, either paid for by state coffers or by well-off parents.
Education in France (even university) as in other EU countries, Germany, Belgium, Spain, Italy, is paid for by the State and is of high standards too.
Education is the capital of a nation – it is imperative that the government invests in it because good education can promise a useful and yield high ROI for the nation.
jay: you asked how can we have leaders like …. We voted for them i suppose except gma.
soleil: long time since.though i am not in the welcome committee i just take this privelege of welcoming you back.
wwnl:i just wonder if the open univ you wrote above admit part time alzheimers, quite sure a lot of our politicians can learn something specially of promises forgotten after elections.
To give you an example of the tuition cost for a private school in the UK (but are in reality called ‘public schools’), parents pay up to 40,000 Euros or 23,000 pounds for a child (boarding included).
In the EU capital, private schools charge 20 to 26,000 Euros per child (NO BOARDING) + other expenses, canteen, extra-curricular, travel, club memberships, etc.
And yes, many parents pay off these tuition fees from their own pockets, i.e., no subsidies.
hindi ako papayag sa binabalak ng gulyasan na ito. hinding hindi ko ipagpapalit sa inggles ang aking wikang kinagisnan!
bilang protesta, hinding hindi na ako magsasalita ng inggles mula ngayon! tandaan n’yo ‘yan. i will never speak english anymore! never!
Magno,
Roger that!
“never speak english ” – Just write it!
anna says: “Education is the capital of a nation.”
mabuti pa ang ibang nasyon, may capital pa, ang pilipinas wala na. kulang pa kasing pambayad sa mga utang.
‘kakaiyak.
ang dapat isipin ng ating mga kagalanggalang at magigiting na kinawatan at makakaban ng bayan ay kung paano maibabalik ang pagiging namber wan prodyuser ng bigas ang pilipinas kung saan tayo unang nakilala at tumanyag noong panahong katatapos ng ikalawang digmaan. huwag ‘yang kung ano anong wala namang kabuluhan at hindi pakikinabangan ng karaniwang mamamayan sa kanayunan. pagtuunan nila ng pansin kung paano papanumbalikin ang pagiging luntian ng ating kapaligiran, ng mga bundok at kaparangan, ang ating mga baybayin sa karagatan, mga lawa, ilog at sapa upang muling pagkunan ng ating ikabubuhay.
Caregives wanting to come to Japan are required to master Japanese because they will be required to take some Japanese national exam to qualify.
English is taught in Japanese schools from 5th grade in many Tokyo schools and intensively in junior and senior high schools but not many can master it because it is a totally different language—baligtad ng Japanese, and language is definitely the language of the heart, and the Japanese are wiser in fact to learn the Queen’s English than American English because being both island-nations and having real monarchy, nothing fake like the queen of the enchanted kingdom, they practically think alike except that the British are more romantic than the rigid Japanese who cannot see gray!!!
I would rather that the Filipinos learn to be more nationalistic and country oriented than learn a foreign tongue that actually does not make them great!!!
wwnl
I didn’t get the question right but soleil and the others might have answered your question, beautifully and loudly ala Tom Jones.
I am no language guy. Tagalog and English are sufficient for me. Though I learned the pidgins
of Spanish (which is our tagalog), and even some of our dialects like the Kennedy (Mekine) and hiligaynon.
I will want to learn a language not for yabang sake, but because I need it for my job. Like the Japanese, it’s fun not to know the language and pretend to write worst, when it’s profitable and when you know the other guy is more studpid than you.
In Japan, Tokyo and Narita and in train stations for example, when you need directions talk to the young ones who look like students
and you will receive assistance.
What’s in a language? There is fun for the Ilocano of the 40s who shouts, takseee, and the Ilonggos who says sixsee, and prays holii mirry.
and the Ateneans with the arrneow accent. It’s fun to be a Filipino with our rich language and our english magical pronounciation.
We may be poor and inept in language but we are tops in greed and corruption.
Soleil,
You said it all!
Anna, Soleil,
I’m learning Mandarin now. Years ago, I went to Beijing speaking no Chinese, but I did not have a hard time because I was in a guided tour with an interpreter who spoke Japanese. I learned a few greetings then, however, and thought I’d add Mandarin to the list of foreign languages I have learned to speak even as a child as they come in handy but not actually necessary. I would rather pay an interpreter and give someone else a job, which is what my husband does actually when he goes on sales in Indonesia, Korea (he has learned Hangul though), Thailand, India, and even KSA, where he exports his company’s products. He is presently encouraging my son to master his English that he learned as a child when we stayed in CA for half a year after my father died, and Spanish that he loves to sing and reason I guess why he prefers these Latinas he met in the Bay Area when he stayed with my Mom’s for another half a year two years ago!!!
Parasabayan must have met those Japanese who have learned English and are making money as interpreters.
Yes, I agree, they can have English as one of the subjects to be taught in schools, but they will be able to teach Filipinos better how to count, etc. if they teach them those subjects in the language they are most comfortable with! Science and math for instance are taught in Japanese in Japan with all the technical terms with the equivalent modified Chinese characters we call “kanji.” I have in fact a better grasp of the technical term read in it as a matter of fact.
Yes, Lapus should try improving the quality of Philippine education even without the dictate of the Midget he calls his boss even when she is fake, but he should get them all kids to school. Over in Japan, parents who do not send their children to school are fined and/or sent to prison!!!
And over here, education gets a big budget even with the creation now of a Ministry of Defense announcement of which has in fact caused Abe a very low rating in just a matter of months since he became Prime Minister.
Dito kasi hindi puede ang mga katulad ni Madame Burot (parang Madame Bovary)! Dapat diyan tumalon na lang sa mataas na building kasama noong asawang baboy para tapos na ang problema saka isunod iyong mga stupid na ini-rangko niya. Yehey!
norphil
we voted for them, are we the strongest link in the causation chain of our misfortune? I suspect our people did not vote for many them. they cheated their way to victory. People did not vote for Ramos, for Marcos in the snap election, and Arroyo. and lots and lots of Senators, Congressmen, Governors, and City Mayors. It;s becoming an accepted fact claimed by winning politicians that losers always complained they lost because they were cheated in the elections. The SOBs though don’t claimed that ERGO, they won the election because of course, they cheated too.
fearfulwarrior: Although Canada’s official languages are both the French and English, we are also multilingual and it is encouraged. In fact it is in our law that one is entitled to interpreter in any proceedings if not proficient in either official languages. And there are many private schools here that teaches their native languages. Like Italians, orthodox jews, etc., but of course the kids have to go either to Public Schools or any private schools which are accredited, and study extra with their parents languages.
Secondary Education, Public and Catholic Schools up to Grade 12 is Publicly Funded. Universities and colleges are subsidized up to 60%. Students loans are available for post secondary students.
While the medium of Instruction in the rest of the country is English, Quebec with the exception of some universities, the medium is French and English as a study course.
Sometimes, when you witnessed some debates in the Parliament, some Members from the Province of Quebec are Uniligual (French) and they are lawyers, engineer, doctors, teachers, etc. and as smart as their English speaking colleagues. So what is this making English as the official Medium of instruction? Why legislate? why not improve the curriculum and upgrade the infrastructures and train the trainers well instead. What is needed are reduced number of students per class. Better trained teachers. A weel-fed and healthy children so they can learn the lesson in whatever lanquages well. Believe me, you can have an MA in English teacher, but a tired and hungry child could not learn much.
Yuko,
“(parang Madame Bovary)! ” Hahahah! Naman, but Madame Bovary was supposed to be pretty even if she was like this unano – a social climber of the worst variety!
I hope Guy de Maupassant won’t turn over in his grave – heheheh!
norphil
part time alzheimers, our politicians? that’s against nature, inappropriate term for our politicians; Filipino politicians compared to dogs, insults dogs, referred to as thieves insults the ordinary thieves. our politicians when compared to anything insult and disgrace those anythings. They are beyond compare, an entity, an island by itself, that if death tolls for anybody, the bells should toll for them.
Jay,
“our politicians when compared to anything insult and disgrace those anythings. ”
Spot on!
Magno: hindi ako papayag sa binabalak ng gulyasan na ito. hinding hindi ko ipagpapalit sa inggles ang aking wikang kinagisnan!
bilang protesta, hinding hindi na ako magsasalita ng inggles mula ngayon! tandaan n’yo ‘yan. i will never speak english anymore! never!
*****
Iyan ang gusto ko sa iyo, Magno. Damdam na damdam ko ang pagmamahal mo sa Pilipinas. Love that country, too, as a matter of fact, but not as the country of the bogus president, who should in fact be sent to jail! At saka bangas na bangas ako sa ingles ng mga pilipino lalo na iyong mga graduate ng mga parochial schools na akala mo sila lang ang magaling mag-ingles, mali naman pala! Golly, tignan mo ang ingles ni Pandak at ni Loren Legarda! Ang tigas ng accent!
I’d rather speak English like the elites in England kasi iyong ang original. Pero boy, gulat ka doon sa mga gunggong na pilipino sa Tate, akala nila mas tama ang ingles nila kesa sa Queen’s English ko! May pinoy pa nga doon kinokorek pa daw ang pronunciation ko ng “hot” na “hot” sa England at “hat” naman sa Amerika. Sino ang mas tama, di iyong mga English!
Tuwang-tuwa ang nanay ko at kapatid doon sa kuwento ko tungkol sa isang pilipinang asawa ng isang kano sa US base dito na bumili sa akin ng airline ticket papuntang Manila. Gosh, sabihin pa namang Amirikan siya at taga Sea(as in “dagat”)-tol daw siya! Inispel pa–Is-I-E-Te-Te-Il-I, Sea-tol! 😉
Yuko,
Funny thing when we were last in the US, my husband was asked where he learned his English with the added spiel, “You speak English soooo goooood.”
When my husband told the driver to take us to Plymouth (in Virginia), the driver said, “Whaaat?” So my husband repeats the address “xxxx, Plymouth.” Guy says, “Never heard!”
So husband shows bit of paper with address and guy says, “Ohhhh, Plimaawth!”
Vic: Sometimes, when you witnessed some debates in the Parliament, some Members from the Province of Quebec are Uniligual (French) and they are lawyers, engineer, doctors, teachers, etc. and as smart as their English speaking colleagues. So what is this making English as the official Medium of instruction? Why legislate? why not improve the curriculum and upgrade the infrastructures and train the trainers well instead. What is needed are reduced number of students per class. Better trained teachers. A weel-fed and healthy children so they can learn the lesson in whatever lanquages well. Believe me, you can have an MA in English teacher, but a tired and hungry child could not learn much.
*****
Exactly why the Japanese likewise do not think English should be substituted for Japanese!!! Iyong gustong magpatuloy ng pag-aaral ng ingles, di sige lang, but not impose this foreign tongue on the Filipinos, who may have better potentials to be great speaking their own national language—Pilipino, which is in fact a mixture of a lot of languages—particularly Spanish kahit pabarok-barok!
Sinabi mo pa, Anna! Akala ko din noon, Plimawth, not Plimoth! Went to Dorchestershire in fact and learned the real pronunciation there! Love to speak the Queen’s English as a matter of fact. I also actually acquired the Oxonian accent but when I go to the US, nasisira!
Love this loop as a matter of fact. I taught Pilipino in fact in a Japanese national university for 10 years. Ako ang natutong magsalita ng tamang Tagalog, no Taglish!!!
Hahhaha! “but when I go to the US, nasisira!”
Reminds me of oldest baby boy when he went to visit aunt in NY.
Coz his English is English, some people asked, where he learned to speak English but others said, “I just loooove your English, just like Hugh Grant’s!”
When we visited Pinas 2 years ago and 2 babies were invited to visit and interact with the students of a private school in Manila; some kids couldn’t understand them easilt but it was understandable because most of the school kids spoke American English. Some of their sentence formulation and some experessions were different.
that’s the third posting that might have been censored.
So I am re-writing it.
In this language legislation brouhaha, we are running true-to-type as first-world-wannabes. We are shitting all over the place. We don’t have enough books, enough school desks, enough classrooms, enough teachers, enough school buildings, enough elementary and high schools, enough integrity in our department of education and here we are in our erudition talking intelligently of a language subject.
It is like we are debating whether we are having silver or gold taps and faucets when we don’t even have water and toilets in our houses. Just look at our neighbors; Malaysia, Thailand, Vietnam, Singapore, Hongkong. We don’t smell shit in these countries.
Anna:
I tried to learn German, too, but failed to master it. Nahirapan kasi ako doon sa parang dumadahak pirmi!
One of my best friends was German. He was a security for Lufthansa before assigned in Tokyo, but he was one of the casualties in Uganda during a rescue operation when a Lufthansa plane was hijacked there years ago.
Jay,
Re: “In this language legislation brouhaha, we are running true-to-type as first-world-wannabes. ”
One of the serious problems of the Philippines that’s really affecting its educational standards (besides corruption as number one problem), is its runaway population.
The Philippine is primarily Catholic or Christian country but the way most of the children and their sanity (health, education, upbringing) are being waylaid due to lack of effective education in family planning, if you come down to it, is downright un-Christian.
The government’s ineptitude in controlling its runaway population will lead to more problems, hence I believe unano will just be one first world wannabe forever.
Anna,
Over in Japan, which is no Christian country, abortion is legal until the first 12 weeks of pregnancy when the fetus is still just a lump of blood, but look at how nature now deprives a lot many young Japanese couples of bearing children, and why a lot of them would prefer to go to the US and have those babies by surrogate mothers!
Let the Filipinos keep their babies, but just do it right—by wedlock not out of wedlock!!! Golly, parang mga hayop na anak dito, anak doon na lang! You’d be shocked to know, Anna, that at one time, it has become a big problem, too, in Japan when these Japayukis would try to get Japanese visas by getting themselves impregnated by Japanese nationals who would not even recognize their children. It prompted in fact a revision of the nationality law that now gives credence to fetal recognition or parental recognition of the fetus, and the illegitimate child getting Japanese nationality versus one who has not been recognized as such and gets the nationality of the mother.
At one time, the Philippine Embassy here got a registration of these illegitimate kids at the rate of 100 children a month. The number decreased, however, since the implementation of the new Immigration Law that has made human trafficking a serious crime, and the police here active in apprehending, arresting and deporting these illegal entrants to Japan not just from the Philippines, but also from other countries like Bangladesh, Pakistan, China, Korea, Iran, Thailand, etc.
Kaya don’t be surprised to know that majority of Filipinos now are illegitimate!
BTW, Anna, Hugh Grant is a graduate of Oxford U, same with Emma Thompson and Emily Mortimer. I get to remember my Oxonian accent when I get to the monthly meetings of the joint Cambridge and Oxford societies here. Otherwise, back to the American English (Utah accent) spoken by the Americans in church.
Yuko,
“Let the Filipinos keep their babies, but just do it right—by wedlock not out of wedlock!!! ”
Spot on! I was actually surprised when we were in Manila when a friend of ours introduced a woman as Mrs Juan Tamad when I knew that there was another Mrs Juan Tamad.
Sa loob loob ko, puwede ba yon dalawang pareho na Mrs Juan Tamad with the same Mr Juan Tamad?
Yuko,
“Gosh, sabihin pa namang Amirikan siya at taga Sea(as in “dagat”)-tol daw siya! Inispel pa–Is-I-E-Te-Te-Il-I, Sea-tol!”
Hahahahah! Good one!
An American friend, professor of drama in (UK), said that American English is not English!
You guys should hear a real redneck or hillbilly talks. Maluluma lahat ang English ninyo. heheheh! But I like them, they are very nice people. Their humor is very close to home (Pinas).
Chi,
“But I like them, they are very nice people. ”
Agree! Was invited once to a barn party by folks in the deep end of SC, I thought it was one of the nicest social event I ever attended. One of the dances resembled the Scottish barn dance – heh!
hi Norpil..thank you for the welcome note. i did miss the blog..had problems with our provider. hubby needs the connection more so i have to give way..our provider is…ay naku, i have no words anymore..already exhausted with what we have here. i hope everything is well in Norway and the family. the weather here is jst starting to have cool air. something that we should have experienced last nov and december. which reminds me, have you guys seen the movie An Inconvenient Truth by Al Gore. I am all for that docu-film. I had been advocating green architecture here but its a slow move. even green energy. my previous company had been introducing bio-gas, co-gen, etc where there we can minimize the use of fossil fuel since 1997 but look..si Zubiri ang umaangkin na he started the Bio-fuel ek-ek sa congress. he knw about bio-fuel’s principle when a french delegation went to Bukidnon to introduce the cold chain and the abattoir but..again..big big but…to this bogus admin….
JayC,
I think your posts were not censored. I, too, am having a hard time submitting. Yesterday, four very safe posts were lost. I’m sure some guys, who had double postings (I noticed), also were/are having a difficult submit issue sometimes.
Stupid thing, Anna, is that when you have money in the Philippines, you can get your marriage annulled. And what happens to the children born in the annulled marriage? Do they get to be declared “illegitimate” then? Stupid talaga kasi hindi naman yata naiintindihan ang ibig sabihin ng annulment that in US jurisprudence as a matter of fact is granted only when the marriage is not consummated! Tongue na, ang daming anak, annulment ang tawag! Bakit hindi na lang i-OK ang divorce? Kasi matatambak ang kaso ng divorce dahil malilikot ang mga pinoy like those crooks on top of the echelon?
Pati nga iyong Madame Burot, ang balita may kabit din, and reason why I compared her with Madame Bovary! But you’re right, she was beautiful ala-Sylvia Kristel of the Emmanuelle series that I actually refused to watch for religious reason!
fearfulwarrior:
french immersion simply a choice of parents of student of English school to have a complete study of French for their children, instead of just courses. immerssion could start as early as kindergarten,middle school or even at universities. that is to enocurage future citizens to be fully bilingual, but the choice is yours, the government or taxpayers will pay the cost.
Yes, Anna. Barn dance in the South is similar to Scottish/Polish barn dance.
A hillbilly song is like “kundiman”, punong-puno ng damdamin, english nga lang.
I mean Madame Bovary, the original one, being the beautiful one, not the burot in the palace by the murky river!
True! My hubby has loads of those hillbilly records (cds now) and from time to time very early in the morning, he’ll belt out one of the songs under the shower – gising lahat kami tuloy!
Hahah!
Love those songs, too, Chi. My favorite is Hank Williams. Patay na maliit pa ako. Betcha, I heard those willy-willy sounds at the Scottish Summer Festival at Edinburgh long time ago. I have a collection of songs by Patsy Cline, too, nothing much of the artists of late.
Chi:
I love those Scottish guys when they speak English! Sabi ko tuloy sa mother ko, who speaks English with a heavy Ilocano accent even when she has English blood, huwag siyang mahiyang makipag-usap doon sa mga kano na rumurolyo ang dila kasi kapareho lang niyang magsalita si Gerald Butler of the “Phantom of the Opera” fame. Butler is from Scotland, at talaga namang ang tigas ng dila din! But like a lot many Scottish, pogi!
Gosh, I could not help comparing them with the dull-looking English! Kakatuwa rin ang accent nila as when they say “leyt” not “layt” for light. Tawa ng tawa ang mga pamangkin ko sa Tate when I tell them about the English and the Scots in UK. Parang iyong Amirikan from Sea-tol! 😉
BTW, may interruption na naman sa pag-blog dito! Umentra na naman ang mga magugulo! Careful with the viruses being attempted to get into our PC’s through this website! We should be able to take the risk! Beware of the virus called “Exploit” that my virus buster detected.
Yuko,
Just to let you know E-mails keep bouncing although I’ve checked anti-virus thinggy and is on as we speak….
Yuko, “Gosh, I could not help comparing them with the dull-looking English! ”
Not all!
Yup, not all, but let’s face it, Anna, there are more pogi Scottish than there are in England although I suppose my great, great, great English grandfather must be handsome, too kasi guapo ang lolo ko!!!
Yuko,
Can’t really say I agree coz never been a great admirer of the Scots. But am sure many a wee lass in Glasgow will agree with you.
Golly, 1:25 a.m. na dito! I had to cut work and go home early yesterday because I was feeling groggy as I had only 3 hours
sleep the previous day due to some deadline. I slept from 1 pm to 10 pm. Ngayon hindi ako maantok! Balik sa US time. Gotta over this jet lag as a matter of fact.
This should read, “Gotta GET over this jet lag as a matter of fact.” I also had to clean up my PCs. One PC at the office that I did not update for new virus got infected. Nasira ang C-drive. Buti na lang hindi nasira ang mother-board. So, I removed the drive, got a new one with 500GB for less than a 100 dollars (about 10,000 yen), and installed it. I have also installed a new virus buster.
Ngayon mabilis na naman ang takbo ng PC ko.
Anna, better clean up your PCs again. Run your virus buster kasi pihado ko target ka ng Internet Brigade ni Luli!
Yep, Yuko, it’s running! So it can eat all the utak ipis (borrowed from Soleil) infesting Ellen’s blog.
Gosh, I sympathize with Ellen. She will spend a bit of time when she comes back chopping out the posts by many unwanted surots here.
Thought this may be interesting regarding Ebdane..In its web, The Philippine Star has an article, “‘AFP to perform poll duties. You have a problem with that?’”
The article says the “Military personnel will continue to perform poll duties on May 14, and if you have a problem with that, you can face the new secretary of national defense.”
“On his first day on the job, Defense Secretary Hermogenes Ebdane yesterday pledged that the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) would not help candidates cheat in the May 14 elections, but insisted the military can still perform poll duties to help election officials.”
“In his first press conference as defense secretary at Camp Aguinaldo in Quezon City, Ebdane got irked when a foreign correspondent asked how his plans to conduct seminars on poll duties would affect the AFP’s goal of insulating the military from partisan politics.”
“What’s your problem?” Ebdane snapped at the reporter.”
The Butete has an attitude problem pala. Interestingly, the Star report says that “A few years ago, Ebdane, then the chief of the Philippine National Police, also lost his cool when another reporter asked him how sure the police were that detained terrorists would not escape from the detention center at PNP headquarters at Camp Crame in Quezon City. Ebdane suggested that the reporter have himself detained in the PNP jail to find out for himself if he could escape.”
Smelling like a rose during Nonong Cruz’s term, in a flash, the DND smells sh*t when this Ebdane took over. The Butete stinks !
Sinabi mo pa, Anna, ang ganda-ganda ng usapan, with the funny stories in between, biglang sisingit. Di bale kung may sense ang sinasabi, but the way I size up the replies from others here na napepeste sa mga ungas, e talagang may sira sa ulo like the squatters at the palace by the murky river who think they now own the Philippines!
Got a case involving an American with multiple personality disorder who is now in a jail in Japan for battery and assault. Panay ang diin niyang may psychotic problem siya pero hindi nakalusot kasi dito hindi uso ang “plea of insanity” on the ground that if you are sane and proper, you definitely will not commit a crime intentionally and otherwise, kaya nga mahalaga ang pag-establish dito ng motibo.
Sa palagay ko itong nagba-blog in various names at mukhang may depression ay talagang may tupak sa ulo. He needs to go to psychiatrist, and not seek therapy here by being the a**hole that he/she is.
Ellen should ask her administrator to watch out for the members of the Pidal Internet Brigade and ban them. So far so good when Ellen gets the time to delete impertinent mails.
Chabeli:
Wala nang pag-asa pag pumasok ang mga bata ni Ebdane at Esperon diyan. Patay na ang demokrasya, and the only alternative is a revolution ala-KKK.
Over in Japan, policemen are not allowed to go near 100m radius from polling places during election and brandishing their guns. Walang politician soliciting votes likewise near the polls kasi bawal. Automatic disqualification and then fine and imprisonment pa.
Soldiers here do not take part in keeping peace and order in Japan. They are confined in their barracks except in time of natural calamities when they help distribute relief goods. Keeping peace, law and order is the responsibility o the police. Bakit nababoy na ang pulisya ng Pilipinas?
Come to think of it, puro rehashed ang mga member ng cabinet ni Madame Burot. Wala nang makuhang matino! But beware, puro military! Baka labas ng Pilipinas katulad ng Burma, Haiti at iyong mga bansang magulo ngayon sa Africa! Gising, mga pilipino, baka wala kayong makitang demokrasya sa umaga! Kailangang magprotesta sa balak ni Ebdaneng garapal din!
Stop police and military inteference in the next poll. Hindi sila kailangan doon. Civilians tama na sa totoo lang! Hindi naman siguro ka-debased ang mga gustong tumino ang bansa nila. Si Glueria lang naman at ang asawa niyang baboy ang magugulo kasama ng mga humahalik sa mga mabahong puwit nila.
Stop SLORC Philippine style now at baka magaya ang mga pilipino sa mga Burmese! PATALSIKIN NA, NOW NA!
Ystakei,
The web of ABS-CBN reports that the “US, EU to closely monitor election fraud, violence”. The report goes on to say that “Amid fears of a possible surge in violence in the run-up to the May elections, the international community will be closely watching the elections while providing assistance to the Philippine government in putting an end to political killings, foreign diplomats said Wednesday. United States Ambassador Kristie Kenney and Archbishop Fernando Filoni, the Vatican’s Apostolic Nuncio in the Philippines, issued the statements..”
To my mind, there is only 1 party that has the funds for this election & that is Dirty Mama G’s party. ONLY Gloria’s party will have the capability to CHEAT in this elections. I guess that is why the international community is going to be monitoring our elections. They don’t trust that Dirty Mama G will play it clean. To begin w/, Gloria has no credibility to speak of.
Chabeli, Yuko, Chi, Vic, TonGuE-tWisTeD , cocopilot, apoy , cocoy, we-will-never-learn , florry, kitamokitako , nelbar, isabel , Mrivera, hindinapinoy, parasabayan, norpil , jay cynikho, soleil,
I don’t think I’m wrong to say that in spite of continued provocations by one utak ipis above hell bent on violating, defiling and sullying Ellen’s home – her blog, it is imperative that we keep our cool and though I’m tempted to shoot the ipis which the ipis rightly deserves, I will keep my cool for Ellen’s sake. She doesn’t deserve the bastusan that the said utak ipis is hell bent on injecting in this dignified forum…
So, for the record, much as I want to make use of my “picture pretty vocabulary” I’m known for, I realize that if I do that, the utak ipis unano above ghosting in Ellen’s blog will just continue to make “baboy” of her blog and this will be thoroughly unfair to Ellen who is on holiday at the moment.
So, with regrets, I must hold off fire…
See you all later beautiful people!
Your civility &, not to mention, your respect, for this Blog is commendable, Anna de brux. At the end of the day, it’s really all about breeding. I believe that it is still the best weapon. I stand by you, Anna de brux.
Chabeli:
I don’t know what good these observers from the US and EU can be. Meron din nyan in the last election, pero nabola ni Pandak. Walang nangyari. Instead of being mere observers, they should be doing the same things the UN volunteers did in the election in Cambodia soon after peace was restored there or at Afghanistan which actually has not improved despite US propaganda, and Canada’s increasing of its troops there.
A friend of mine in fact volunteered to monitor and run the election in Cambodia, and she told me of the risks they had to take but it was a good experience running the election themselves and the right people getting elected to positions they have since tried to be worthy of.
Ganyan ang dapat gawin, hindi iyong makikialam pa ang mga pulis at sundalong mananakot lalo na doon sa mga Bayan Muna, etc. partylists na ayaw nilang manalo sa utos na rin noong burot na si Sir Raul O Gonggonzales! Nadagdagan pa ng Ebdane at Esperon! Put!èéàèàè!à§èç! ina talaga!
Chabeli,
Here’s another one na nakakagigil! Very obvious, utos ito ni Dirty Mama G!
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DND, AFP chiefs to tap military for poll duties
In clear breach of the Comelec-AFP MoA
2007/02/02
Even as it was only a few hours of his sitting as the Defense department chief, Gen. Hermogenes Ebdane Jr., the newly-appointed Secretary of National Defense, tackled his first order of the day: Getting the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) actively involved again, this time in the 2007 May elections.
http://www.tribune.net.ph/
Ystakei,
“Instead of being mere observers, they should be doing the same things the UN volunteers did in the election in Cambodia soon after peace was restored there..”
Agree !
Still, it would be interesting to see how they will handle the elections this time around..
Ystakei,
The Tribune article you posted is similar to the one I posted earlier (February 2nd, 2007 at 12:47 am) quoting The Philippine Star report:
“On his first day on the job, Defense Secretary Hermogenes Ebdane yesterday pledged that the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) would not help candidates cheat in the May 14 elections, but insisted the military can still perform poll duties to help election officials.”
“In his first press conference as defense secretary at Camp Aguinaldo in Quezon City, Ebdane got irked when a foreign correspondent asked how his plans to conduct seminars on poll duties would affect the AFP’s goal of insulating the military from partisan politics.”
“What’s your problem?” Ebdane snapped at the reporter.”
Nakakagigil nga !
Chabeli,
I don’t trust US monitoring Pinas elections. Bush and Dirty Mama G are scratching each other, plastikan parehong mabaho ang intentions!
I rather have the EU monitors RP elections, hindi nalalandian ni bansot!
Chabeli, oo nga, ano? Nanggigigil kasi ako, heheh!
At saka nasira ang flow ng blog, Chabeli.
Chabeli,
“At the end of the day, it’s really all about breeding.”
How true! Just look at the unano! No breeding that’s why she’s so bastos and makes baboy of the Republic.
Again, most sincerely apologize to all here – for the continuing babuyan and bastusan that the utak ipis want to inject – to Chabeli, Yuko, Chi, Vic, TonGuE-tWisTeD , cocopilot, apoy , cocoy, we-will-never-learn , florry, kitamokitako , nelbar, isabel , Mrivera, hindinapinoy, parasabayan, norpil , jay cynikho, soleil,
Allow me to reiterate – while we cannot do anything at the moment against the continuous violating, defiling and sullying Ellen’s home – her blog, it is imperative that we keep our cool and though I’m tempted to shoot the ipis which the ipis rightly deserves, I will keep my cool for Ellen’s sake. She doesn’t deserve the bastusan that the said utak ipis is hell bent on injecting in this dignified forum…
Moral courage dictates that we ignore the utak ipis… and the lowest form of cowardice to villify, sully, violate the home of someone else while she is away so again, for the record, much as I want to make use of my “picture pretty vocabulary” I’m known for, I realize that if I do that, the utak ipis unano above ghosting in Ellen’s blog will just continue to make “baboy” of her blog and this will be thoroughly unfair to Ellen who is on holiday at the moment.
Regretfully therefore, I must hold lethal fire…
See you all later beautiful people!
Oh by the way, Ladies, thought you might be interested in the reply of Mr Paredes…
Here it is:
—– Original Message —–
From: “Horacio Paredes”
To: adb@wanadoo.nl
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: “Clearly, the politics practiced in this country has dropped to a new low.”
> You are right, of course, but I banish the thought. It is just too depressing.
>
> On 2/2/07, adb@wanadoo.nl wrote:
>>
>>
>> Dear Mr Paredes,
>>
>> Re: “Clearly, the politics practiced in this country has dropped to a new
>> low.”
>>
>> Mr Paredes, Gloria Arroyo has brought politics to an all time record low –
>> to the pits that a “new low” is almost an improvement to this God-forsaken
>> country’s politics.
>>
>> Anna de Brux
Walang nakakagulat sa mga bastusan dito, tuwang-tuwa nga tayo pag binabastos si Pandak bakit naman kayo nagagalit kung kayo ang nababastos?
We all lived in a house of glass; iwasan maglinis-linisan at astang sosyal magagaling naman mang-insulto. Respect is to be earned NOT to be enforced!
Si Ellen lang makagpapatunay kung sino talaga ang mga maraming alias dito. Manahimik na lang ang mga ipokrita at ipokrito, dahil babalik lang sa inyo ang mga sinabi nyo ok?
ALIS DIYAN MAY KILITI AKO DIYAN NOW NA!!!
(Friends, Thought it would be good to re-post Ellen’s topic here and start off.)
February 1, 2007 at 1:00 am
‘English First’ policy will hurt learning
By Juan Miguel Luz
(This appeared in the Philippine Daily Inquirer, Jan. 22, 2007)
There is much to be said about the decline in English proficiency in this country. But legislating English as the medium of instruction—as proposed by the Gullas Bill—is not the solution. In fact not just English, but also Science and Math proficiency will decline should this law pass.
Rather than propose that English be the sole medium of learning, we should in fact promote multi-lingualism: English, Filipino and the local language or dialect.
The Japanese will never forego Nihonggo for English, nor will the Chinese abandon Mandarin or Cantonese for the so-called global language. Neither would the Scandinavians, Germans or (mon Dieu!) the French. Why then are we so quick to ditch Filipino for English?
The overall concern about the decline in English proficiency is both correct and misplaced. Many employers speak of job applicants with appalling spoken and written English skills. They argue that this deficiency is a “lost comparative advantage” as shown by the dismal hiring rates of the growing call center industry.
But is poor English proficiency really the cause of our global uncompetitiveness? Or is it our low productivity and the inability to deliver consistent quality that hurt us?
The problem is not poor English. It is poor English, Science and Math skills. Weak English proficiency is not the sole determinant of poor overall achievement; it is merely a factor.
Unesco findings show that young children learn how to read and acquire numeracy faster and better when taught in their mother tongue. Their achievement rates in higher-grade levels are better than those who are taught in a language other than what they speak at home.
These findings have been replicated by the Summer Institute of Linguistics (SIL), which uses the mother tongue for teaching young children in Bukidnon and in other areas with indigenous people. These pupils have had relatively high literacy and numeracy scores in DepEd (Department of Education) tests.
The TIMSS (Trends in Math and Science Survey) test is administered here in English, making us one of the very few countries that take the test in a language that is not generally spoken at home. We do poorly in TIMSS. (The Japanese take TIMSS in Japanese; the Finns in Finnish.) But would taking the test in Filipino make for better scores?
The Department of Science and Technology did conduct such a test in Filipino and the results were equally dismal. Therefore, it’s not so much language; it is simply that children aren’t learning Science and Math well enough to solve problems.
On the other hand, “Sine’skwela,” the Science program on television, is broadcast in Filipino.
Dr. Milagros Ibe, then head of the National Institute of Science and Math Education (Nismed) at the University of the Philippines wrote: “Testing in English does not significantly disadvantage pupils who are taught in ‘Sine’skwela’ using Filipino as a medium. Understanding of the concepts in Filipino appears to facilitate transfer of learning to English.”
These children however are not fluent in English. In fact, “[they] find it hard to communicate and express themselves in English during recitations and discussions.”
But clearly, these children learn Science and Math: “Pupils in Grades 2 and 3 who watch ‘Sine’skwela’ attain master-level in 50-67 percent of the concepts learned, while those not exposed to the program master only 20-33 percent of the same …. Pupils in the lower grades are capable of responding to 4-option multiple choice questions .… Longer tests (i.e., more than 30 items) can also be used for them.”
In East Asia, the national or local language is used as the medium of learning for young children. English is taught as a subject—not as the medium of learning—and proficiency is seen as a key to connecting to the world, not as the key to learning.
We, however, seem to want to shortcut learning. We want to connect to the world to be competitive before we learn the fundamentals.
The current DepEd policy on the medium of learning set by former Education Secretary Andrew Gonzalez is sound. Brother Andrew was after all a linguist.
The policy says that the child’s mother tongue shall be the medium of learning in Grades 1 to 3 because the 3 R’s and fundamental Math and Science concepts are introduced at these grade levels. Makabayan (Social Studies) shall be taught in the mother tongue as well.
English and Filipino are to be taught as subjects.
If Mandarin someday became the global language for business, would you—an English speaker—learn your Science and Math concepts if it were taught to you in Mandarin? Probably not. The same would hold true for the young learner anywhere in this archipelago who does not speak English—or Mandarin—at home.
For Grades 4 to 6, there is a progressive shift to English as the medium of learning for English, Science and Math subjects. By this time, the concepts have taken root, and problem-solving and application are the learning objectives. Filipino will still be used to teach Filipino and Makabayan subjects.
For high school, the mid-grade policy on language is expanded.
The Gullas Bill is now in Congress, having been passed at the House of Representatives. Ironically, it does not deviate from the current DepEd policy. It is a dangerous bill, however, because it places a misleading emphasis on English as the medium of learning. As such, the young learners and their teachers will concentrate on the language, not on Science and Math and literacy (that is more fundamental to learning).
The key to better English is better implementation; more teacher training in grammar, composition, vocabulary; more mechanisms to expand English usage in schools such as campus journalism, campus radio, assigned days for English and Filipino communication and the like, more bilingual reading books and elocution contests and spelling bees (both in English and Filipino).
English is essential for communication, but Science and Math are crucial for competitiveness.
We need to be more creative and committed to better English teaching, but not at the expense of Science and Math. Legislation is not necessarily creative. The Gullas Bill in fact ignores world experience on learning by prescribing a solution that misses the problem completely: Why are Philippine schoolchildren not learning?
Juan Miguel Luz is president of the International Institute of Rural Reconstruction and a former education undersecretary.
anna de brux Says:
February 1st, 2007 at 1:13 am
Only thing I can say is Mr Luz is right: “We need to be more creative and committed to better English teaching, but not at the expense of Science and Math. “
ystakei Says:
February 1st, 2007 at 3:33 am
Japan is a progressive country not because people here have adopted English as a language, but because they have been Japanese first before they can think of being anything else.
I think it is stupid to think that the Philippines can rise up to the level of the G-7 countries if all Filipinos can master English. Sinong may idea niyan? Si Pandak, who speaks English with a bad accent? Pwe! Another palpak policy eh?
TonGuE-tWisTeD Says:
February 1st, 2007 at 3:48 am
Absolutely, Anna.
But wouldn’t it be better if they made it optional instead of uniformal? Some kids, especially those with superior grasp in any language and those closely supervised by parents, would fare better if they had the option, why limit?
I can’t imagine the extra effort and expense it would require to translate scientific words just so textbooks, teachers, students, and parents would comply with a new law.
Expanding, not limiting, of the options will ensure that the transfer and retention of knowledge will be achieved more efficiently at a faster rate.
Gullas, just like his President, may be planning to turn the whole future population into OFWs if not call center agents. I can’t find any other valid reason behind it.
chi Says:
February 1st, 2007 at 3:50 am
It’s unbelievable. Pinas will soon become a ghost country based on the exodus of pinoys to other countries, and yet the authorities are still in quandary as to what language should be made a permanent medium of instruction in schools.
Pilipinas ang bansa, Pilipino ang wika. Ano ang problema ni Gullas? Mas madaling matuto ang mga bata kung ang gamit sa elementary grades ay iyon ding salita nila sa bahay (Pilipino or dialects).
Para sa akin, ang English ay gawin na lang na subject, simulan sa elementarya, at pagbutihin ang pagtuturo nito. Hindi gaya ngayon na ang English teachers daw ay hindi rin marunong mag-English!
Ito talagang si Gullas, ang ambisyon lang yata sa mga kabataang pinoy ay magtrabaho sa “call centers”!
cocopilot Says:
February 1st, 2007 at 4:18 am
Children are very adaptive. They will learn any subject from a competent teacher. If the community further reinforces their learning, they will excel in whatever is taught them. The key then is having competent teachers who know how to teach and what to teach. The teachers must be trained to master the subjects they are teaching and to master the various strategies in learning and teaching given the diverse learning styles and the multiple intelligences of each learner. Master teachers who inspire their students to learn how to learn will empower these students to pursue learning in whatever field of interest to them.
anna de brux Says:
February 1st, 2007 at 4:35 am
I think so too Tongue.
To me, learning math and science should be at par with learning English. Luz is right about that. Education is not learning or being proficient in English.
There are countries that produce good engineers, technicians, doctors, scientists, dentists, technicians and reasearchers, financial wizards who, if tested separately will yield results showing appalling command of the English language, i.e., France, China, Japan, etc. In other words, English proficiency is not the basis of a well-rounded education. It’s good to be proficient in all three branches.
Schools must have good English teaching and learning curricula but it’s imperative to focus great efforts in teaching teachers to teach these universal subjects as well: MATHS & SCIENCES.
Primary school children in France from age 7 to 12 spend 5 to 6 hours of pure Maths weekly… Maths and sciences are the future of the universe. That’s where global competition is gonna be albeit in business and in other areas or concerns.
And I definitely agree with cocopilot: it is indispensable that “The teachers must be trained to master the subjects they are teaching and to master the various strategies in learning and teaching given the diverse learning styles and the multiple intelligences of each learner.”
anna de brux Says:
February 1st, 2007 at 5:06 am
Peregrine Worsthorne, a former MP (Tory) and currently a writer said:
“Social engineering by the state seldom works. There is now less upward social mobility than there was before. Governments only make matters worse.”
chi Says:
February 1st, 2007 at 5:10 am
Especially when a government is run by a fake president, a fake PhD, and a fake economist!
apoy Says:
February 1st, 2007 at 5:26 am
I think senator Lapid has covered that issue long time ago.
In my younger years, our school (in Baguio)had american volunteers.That’s from elementary thru high school. They only teach math,science and world geography.Other subjects like English were taught by local teachers.This was an experimental method of learning implemented by the late Pres Marcos.We were given 100 pesos a month back in those days..Meron ba si unano nito? Ganito kami noon,Paano kayo ngayon?
Are we gonna’ have a tongue-lashing again.I park my car on the road side and let you go.
(Cocoy, Here’s the message I posted above:)
Again, most sincerely apologize to all here – for the continuing babuyan and bastusan that the utak ipis want to inject – to Chabeli, Yuko, Chi, Vic, TonGuE-tWisTeD , cocopilot, apoy , cocoy, we-will-never-learn , florry, kitamokitako , nelbar, isabel , Mrivera, hindinapinoy, parasabayan, norpil , jay cynikho, soleil,
Allow me to reiterate – while we cannot do anything at the moment against the continuous violating, defiling and sullying Ellen’s home – her blog, it is imperative that we keep our cool and though I’m tempted to shoot the ipis which the ipis rightly deserves, I will keep my cool for Ellen’s sake. She doesn’t deserve the bastusan that the said utak ipis is hell bent on injecting in this dignified forum…
Moral courage dictates that we ignore the utak ipis… and the lowest form of cowardice to villify, sully, violate the home of someone else while she is away so again, for the record, much as I want to make use of my “picture pretty vocabulary” I’m known for, I realize that if I do that, the utak ipis unano above ghosting in Ellen’s blog will just continue to make “baboy” of her blog and this will be thoroughly unfair to Ellen who is on holiday at the moment.
Regretfully therefore, I must hold lethal fire…
See you all later beautiful people!
Walang nakakagulat sa mga bastusan dito, tuwang-tuwa nga tayo pag binabastos si Pandak bakit naman kayo nagagalit kung kayo ang nababastos?
We all lived in a house of glass; iwasan maglinis-linisan at astang sosyal magagaling naman mang-insulto. Respect is to be earned NOT to be enforced!
Si Ellen lang makagpapatunay kung sino talaga ang mga maraming alias dito. Manahimik na lang ang mga ipokrita at ipokrito, dahil babalik lang sa inyo ang mga sinabi nyo ok?
ALIS DIYAN MAY KILITI AKO DIYAN NOW NA!!!
Re: “We all lived in a house of glass;”
If you say so…
(Cocoy, here’s one of my last postings:)
—– Original Message —–
From: “Horacio Paredes”
To: adb@wanadoo.nl
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: “Clearly, the politics practiced in this country has dropped to a new low.”
> You are right, of course, but I banish the thought. It is just too depressing.
>
> On 2/2/07, adb@wanadoo.nl wrote:
>>
>>
>> Dear Mr Paredes,
>>
>> Re: “Clearly, the politics practiced in this country has dropped to a new low.”
>>
>> Mr Paredes, Gloria Arroyo has brought politics to an all time record low – to the pits that a “new low” is almost an improvement to this God-forsaken country’s politics.
>>
>> Anna de Brux
(And to make everyone happy, here’s the the last one before the last:)
Diwata Says:
February 2nd, 2007 at 2:43 am
Walang nakakagulat sa mga bastusan dito, tuwang-tuwa nga tayo pag binabastos si Pandak bakit naman kayo nagagalit kung kayo ang nababastos?
We all lived in a house of glass; iwasan maglinis-linisan at astang sosyal magagaling naman mang-insulto. Respect is to be earned NOT to be enforced!
Si Ellen lang makagpapatunay kung sino talaga ang mga maraming alias dito. Manahimik na lang ang mga ipokrita at ipokrito, dahil babalik lang sa inyo ang mga sinabi nyo ok?
ALIS DIYAN MAY KILITI AKO DIYAN NOW NA!!!
(Which I followed up with/anna de brux Says: February 2nd, 2007 at 2:45 am)
Re: “We all lived in a house of glass;”
If you say so…
Cocoy, Do you think we can now re-start the discussion based on Ellen’s topic?
Anna,
You were right about the fairy of the Enchanted Kingdom. Siya rin iyong lalaking may “crush” sa iyo ngayon! 😛
Ingat! Nagkakalat ng viruses, bugs, and worms iyan. In a way, blessing in disguise because it forced me to upgrade my HP Evo that I bought for my office in 2002. Bought a new C-drive. 500GB. I was thinking of buying the 1T drive, but I thought 500GB for the office computer would suffice.
I also bought a new Dell PC for just over 500 dollars and a few more dollars for the new Windows Vista.
Yuko,
No wonder my e-mails couldn’t go through!
Hah “In a way, blessing in disguise because it forced me to upgrade my HP Evo”… but it’s better that way coz with your projects for our kababyans in trouble, you need your ipis-virus buster coming from Gloria’s legion of utak ipis…
Baligtad yata ang sinabi ni Apoy re American teachers (Peace Corps volunteers in fact) who should be teaching Filipinos proper English than natives teaching them English with their heavy accents.
Over in Japan, the Ministry of Education hires teachers from English speaking countries particularly the US and UK to help local teachers of English to teach English to Japanese student. Pero talagang mahirap turuan ang matigas na ang dila. I had difficulty teaching Pilipino in fact to my Japanese students especially when their first teachers spoke terrible Pilipino!
Golly, kung ang ingles naman ay katulad ng ingles ni Madame Burot o kaya si FVR, huwag na lang!
PATALSIKIN NA, NOW NA!
the future of the universe? i think as of now we pinoys could not even shape our own future.gma is presently shaping it but not necessarily for our own good.
And Yuko, “You were right about the fairy of the Enchanted Kingdom.” I think I’ll be Christian and introduce the fairy to Captain Hook. Am pretty sure, the fairy will bite, (Captain) hook, line and sinker!
Norpil,
I beg to disagree – most of the 8 million + Filipinos outside homeland are trying very hard to shape their future.
I am inclined to think millions of them are succeeding. Gloria can best help by leaving them who are succeeding alone.
Anna:
After a wondrous trip I was having and caressing the scenery ahead of me,Out of nowhere, I can smell another engine misfiring.I decided to park my car because I could not stand the foul smoke coming out from the tailpipe.
I decided to stop by to a near coffee shop,and continue my travel if the smokes clear.Please bear with me this time.We will enjoy the journey together again my friend.
Cocoy,
I understand perfectly…
Just to re-assure you, there can be no engine smoke coming from where I sit; you see, from my viewpoint, lethal weapons aren’t required at all to kill little bugs – crushing one with the heel of my boots will be more than sufficient.
You bet, Anna! Siya rin iyan. Bistado na ayaw pang pahalata.
BTW, Chi, I got the Al Gore documentary. I’m downloadiing it now. Will put it on DVD when it’s finished and then watch it on my plasma TV.
I’m using NERO for burning of CDs and DVDs now. It can transcode avi to mpegs for DVD making. I’m also making my own ISO files now. Right now, I’m taking videos of Filipinos in Japan, and hope that I can produce my own documentaries on them ala-Michael Moore.
I’m actually experimenting on my mother, whose videos I took when I was in the US recently. I’m making a documentary of my mother to distribute to my siblings and interested relatives.
Yuko,
“I’m making a documentary of my mother to distribute to my siblings and interested relatives.”
That is an admirable project.
You know, last year, the BBC released lots of TV adverts asking people to record interviews of their parents, grandparents and others of the WWII generation.
They wanted to mobilize people so that the experiences and stories of people of that generation wouldn’t be lost… It was an extraordinary project.
I’ve been planning to do the same with my mum-in-law and my own mother.
Kudos, Yuko…
Anna: I am inclined to think millions of them are succeeding. Gloria can best help by leaving them who are succeeding alone.
*****
Sinabi mo pa, Anna. I can’t understand why the Filipinos themselves would allow a bogus president to make a pawn of them to help her brag about prosperity, and economic progress that never was, is or will be under her lousy, fake leadership (kuno)!
Hey, it’s 4:30 a.m. here. Gotta go back to sleep. May trabaho pa ako.
off topic
Yuko,
Al Gore’s docu is very timely. Si Bush tatanga-tanga. Ang tanong ba naman ay kung nakakamatay daw ang global warming!
***
Humans ‘very likely’ making earth warmer
By SETH BORENSTEIN, Associated Press Writer Thu Feb 1, 10:38 AM ET
PARIS – The most authoritative report on climate change is using the strongest wording ever on the source of global warming, saying it is “very likely” caused by humans and already is leading to killer heat waves and stronger hurricanes, delegates who have seen the report said Thursday.
Dozens of scientists and bureaucrats from 113 countries are editing the new report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change in closed-door meetings in Paris. Their report, which must be unanimously approved, is to be released Friday and is considered an authoritative document that could influence government and industrial policy worldwide.
/news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070201/ap_on_sc/france_climate_change;_ylt=AnfucMeecH9Y__twBy3wsUbMWM0F;_ylu=X3oDMTA3b2NibDltBHNlYwM3MTY-
(Right you are Yuko! They should bear in mind the contents of the letter Manuel Buencamino wrote to Toting Bunye, published in his latest column for the Business Mirror and which he concludes with:)
Anyway, going back to the quotation I mentioned at the beginning of this letter, the one I placed right beside your seductive statement. . . it’s a reality check courtesy of a sign in a bar in Chapel Hill, North Carolina.
“It says:
“No matter how good she looks,
Some other guy is sick and tired,
Of putting up with her sh*t.”
Looks aren’t everything, Toting.
All the best,
MB
Hi Anna and co,.
We were very busy the last few days, I could hardly join your discussion about English First Policy.
This topic has been discussed over and over again even among teachers and majority agreed that Pilipino should be implemented as the medium of instruction. The fact remains that our language has always been taken for granted! Para bang hindi well-educated ang isang Pinoy if he can’t express himself well in English!
Over here in Germany, first graders had their first lesson in English 2 years ago. Prior to this, English is first introduced on third graders as a part of their curricula. All other subjects are taught in German including Science and Math. The most important subjects are Math, German and English! Fact is, a fourth grader has to be excellent in these 3 subjects if he intends to study in the Gymnasium (equivalent to UK’s Grammar School). germany has a very different educational system and I consider it one of the world’s best in most aspects! There are some disadvantages and they trying to make changes now so as to go with the changing world.
To Anna:
Keep your cool! The more I admire you for that! Bugs die when they aren’t feed!
Listening to the swan song? Blog undertaker to bury #2.
una, balik sa topic….
ang issue na ito ay luma na. pabalik-balik lang at hindi na dapat pag-aksayahan ng panahon. hindi maikakaila na ang kaalaman sa ingles ay malaking tulong. tingnan nyo na lang dito sa blog na ito. karamihan sa bloggers ay ingles ang gamit. walang masama duon di ba?
pangalawa,
anna de brux Says:
February 2nd, 2007 at 2:13 am
Again, most sincerely apologize to all here – for the continuing babuyan and bastusan that the utak ipis want to inject – to Chabeli, Yuko, Chi, Vic, TonGuE-tWisTeD , cocopilot, apoy , cocoy, we-will-never-learn , florry, kitamokitako , nelbar, isabel , Mrivera, hindinapinoy, parasabayan, norpil , jay cynikho, soleil,
————————————————
tumingin tayo sa salamin……
tanungin ang sarili…..
alam ng lahat na ang mga bloggers dito ay hindi mahirap. na ang gamit na computer ay hindi basta-basta at ang connection ay broadband at hindi dial-up. walang blogger dito na nakatira sa barong-barong, o di kaya ay nakikigamit ng computer sa kapit-bahay o internet cafe. burgis ba ang mga bloggers dito? ang ating sarili lang ang makakasagot niyan. ang napapansin ko lang, parang isan grupo lang ang namamayani sa blog na ito. at kung may bagong pumasok at iba ang kuro-kuro at palagay, binabansagan agad na bayaran at maka-gloria. ito ang aking karanasan sa unang pasok ko dito. huwag naman sanang ganoon.
huwag naman sanang mamasamain, ngunit sa palagay ko, dapat iwasan din ang mga bagay na personal. dapat sana, topic lang ang pag usapan. ang mga personal na bagay, sana sa email na lang. sa email na lang natin sabihin kung anong klaseng computer ang gamit natin, kung anong klase ang TV natin at iba pa. sana huwag na ring sasabihin, dito sa amerika….dito sa canada….. naaalala ko tuloy ang isang commercial sa pinas noon…
pangatlo, mga samot-sari…..
umuwi ako sa pinas nung pasko….
isa lang ang masasabi ko. kung papasyal ka sa carriedo sa sandaling ito, yan ang kalagayan ng pilipinas ngayon. magulo, walang kaayusan (politika). nagkalat ang pirated CD at DVD (corruption mula ibaba hanggang malakanyang). pero malapit pa rin sa diyos at puro dasal (quiapo church malapit lang).
Haven’t seen repeats of any good old movie lately? How about the Invisible Man?
anna
and everyone or is it everybody?
do what I say and what I do. If you
know the posting by name and by first
line. use your scroller, skip it. So you won’t bother to answer. in a blog where a topic now
gets a hundred or more posting, you won’t
missed anything worthy of your time and emotion.
If you see jay cynikho and don’t like my
previous postings, just skip me, ’cause I am not there at all. better still get the ID of the
blog contributor, list and post them in front of the computer. Let mutual principles go their own way. lET US MAKE Mutual admiration from multiples personalitY make their empty crazy day. LET’S DO THAT, SHALL WE?
Sira ulo lang ang hindi umiiwas at gustong tumatapak sa tae. Tae lalabanan mo?
CHI roger on your comment on my being censored,
just a wrong hunch.
hindinapinoy,
In your preceeding comments, some of them so true, some are not. Not all of us suspect newcomers of “saboteurs” but just like us when we first join the forum, another opinioted fellow, who may change his views and outlooks as the dabates and exchanges go on.
As for some of us who can not refrain from comparing perspective of our adopted countries as to the related topics of the subject, we can’t help it, because, some of us live most of our learning lives where we are and we start seeing things with some perspective of our environments. The comparison sometimes are just to give the idea of how things could have been done or should have been done, without trying to extoll the wisdom or superioty of one’s society over the other, if it might help.
I recall, when I first join the discussion group at PCIJ under the handle “naykika” I had some very heated arguments with some regulars who questioned my intentions and loyalty and allegiance, and the thread went on to involve countless others who joined in, in that particular discussion. But the debates went on without resorting to personal insults and now we have great respect for one another, including tonque, jr-lad, jeter-in-exile, baycas and rest I can not mention all. thanks
Ganda na sana ng thread, sarap sanang mag-post, kaso successful na naman ang panggugulo.
Ikukuwento ko pa naman sana yung mga hindi ninyo nabasa sa diyaryo tungkol sa rambulan sa Pasay City Hall kahapon. Tinamad na ako.
Ito kayang bill ni Mang Gullas ay based sa isang study or just a whim dictated by Aling Glue for her supermaid scam?
Bakit hindi na lang mga observers ng education system sa Germany ang ipinadala, kaysa fact-finding mission na pihadong wala namang magiging resulta. Sabi nga ni MRivera, baka mansion ang makita nila – mansion ni Fatso. Elvira, may balita ba diyan tungkol duon sa tatlong tongressmen na nandiyan ngayon?
Tongue,
Huwag ka ng tamarin. Kanina ko pa hintay ang post mo tungkol dito dahil nabasa ko na sinalubong ng tubig si Peewee. Nandun ka ba?
Vic,
kuha ko ang punto mo. dahil kung ang isang tao ay makalalabas ng pilipinas, duon niya makikita ng lubos ang kabulukan ng bansa. sana maiwasan nga ang mga pang-iinsulto at pag mumura kahit na kanino pa patungkol ang mura.
Hindinapinoy:
Your analogy is pure and simple. Not every pinoy has an easy access in computer to supercede their there desires to browse on the internet and learn a new fascinating things. As I figured it out
we, the blogers in this thread came from a different far flung places in the universe and we all gather in here as one. Isn’t that exciting?
In some instance, if I mentioned U.S.A. I am just trying to convey my message in comparison to what is happening in our country that is being rule by a person who doesn’t belong in her stolen throne. If I mention it more often every time I did my posting, then I won’t blame you that I am having a hypocritical and boastful opinion.
We could not avoid sometimes that we have all confrontation discussion. If we all agreed in each other opinion then we look like a home without furniture and colorful decor. Debate and argument spices the relation but, not beyond overboard..
Vic,
Yes, I can still remember that after baycas pointed out that one rabid pro-Gloria woman blogger was actually US-based who earlier kept commenting that it’s foolish to join rallies and even complains about the resulting traffic when all the while she was in the Colorodao Rockies. We chased her away relentlessly after she blew her cover and she finally landed at Bong Autero’s where she really belonged. It was foolish of me then to have lumped you with her group and I apologized to you immediately on the very same thread.
The problem then as you know was that as the threads were running smoothly and consensus started building, provocateurs start disrupting the flow. The same modus operandi, all over again. This thread is a classic example.
The brigaders seem to have some success with PCIJ. From more than 500 daily comments two years ago to almost nil today.
They didn’t achieve it however, by monkey-wrenching alone, the site was frequently hacked and access became difficult and the familiar names (including some of us here like chi, chabeli, johnmarzan, Jon M., Dean Jorge (GSDC), jay seneca (cynikho?), many others) started to disappear. We can’t allow that to happen again, here in Ellen’s blog, right!
You redeemed yourself after all, and became one of the respected contributors there, especially after the link to your Almodian civic-work was made known. It doesn’t need rocket science to determine who’s plainly trying to destroy a site from one who’s plainly stupid. In some cases, it takes a longer time. Those who have not been blogging long enough could learn how to earn the respect of the others by simply doing what is right – just keep on blogging with responsibility and before you know it, everyone’s your friend, and they come to your aid when needed.
Some people may not like how you and the other ex-pats in PCIJ and here in Ellen’s compare the situations in your and our home countries. But where will those who have not been away get their comparative info on specific topics and relevant issues on the fly, especially from the perspective of another Pinoy if we do not allow it? From Hollywood movies? Wowow channel?
I encourage you to continue doing so just like the others, too.
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Yes, hindinapinoy, I was “tongue in, anew” after I changed it from my now-defunct blog Tongue-lashing (para daw akong lasing kung sumulat) after changing from Tongue-In-cheek (after one blogger asked if I was Intsik and that Tang was my family name).
cocoy,
maganda nga ang epekto ng internet. alam natin na ang pilipino ay nasa bawat sulok ng daigdig na ang karamihan ay umalis sa sariling bayan kahit masakit sa kalooban makasilip man lang ng ikabubuti ng kalagayan. pero sa palagay ko, alam mo ang ibig kung sabihin. kung ang bukang bibig mo ay madalas na ‘DITO SA AMERICA…’ lalo na at wala sa topic, iba ang dating nun.
tongue,
buti na lang binago mo ang pangalan mo na tongue-IN-anew.
pagmumura kasi yun. baka malagay pa si ellen sa alanganin.
Hollywood movies? pampalipas oras lang yun ‘tol. karamihan basura. wowowee ba kamo? kung saan namamahagi ng dollar ang mga balikbayan? kung saan ang mga tanong sa mga contestants ay walang katuturan? library at google ang kaibigan mo ngayon ‘pre.
Anna:
After I drank a freshly brewed coffee, and as I look outside the road it is getting clearer, and the smokes dense the pollution that emitted some toxic gases. I know that foul odor from the tailpipe come from another engine, not yours. I can now fell the freshness of the morning breeze.
I am ready to hit the unending road again .Let me barrow, Boy Abunda’s phrase——-
——Kaibigan, halika usap tayo!—-
Hi everyone,
Its always interesting for me to open up the blog in the morning and as always I’m not disappointed to see this weirdo of the night appearing at the stroke of midnight (11.54pm) calling themselves tearful waffler or something like that always pretending that they and Wtf are not the same.
No doubt like me they have a laptop also and can include it in their stupid games only after midnight when the laptop owner is not around, spooky!.
Definition of weirdo: an offensive term for somebody who behaves in a way regarded as strange or unconventional, especially somebody whose sexual tastes or habits are regarded as unusual. What an apt description.
Vic: As for some of us who can not refrain from comparing perspective of our adopted countries as to the related topics of the subject, we can’t help it, because, some of us live most of our learning lives where we are and we start seeing things with some perspective of our environments. The comparison sometimes are just to give the idea of how things could have been done or should have been done, without trying to extoll the wisdom or superioty of one’s society over the other, if it might help.
******
You said it, Vic. It’s exactly why I write about my own experiences in Japan, where I have learned what democracy is all about. I lived in the US, likewise, but because of the racial democracy there, I realized that it must have been another fascist society! I found more freedom in Japan as a matter of fact, and felt the same way about UK. I have never been to Canada. Just had a glimpse of it from the plane from the borders of Washington State, and from what my friends in Alberta told me about the prairie there.
But rather look stupid, I would rather see for myself than ask anyone some crazy questions that I myself would not want to answer.
I like your input because your observations match my own observations on how things are run here. At least, as a Japanese national, I am free to participate and contribute to its progress or failure if I cannot.
Although Japanese Government had systemically destroyed most of its war documents to conceal its State-Terrorism with significant help from the U.S. to cover-up Japanese Terrorism, researchers have now shed more light on the Forgotten Asian Holocaust. Some questions, however, will never be answered. Just as the survivor of the Jewish Holocaust, Arno Lustiger with prisoner number A5592 remains tattooed on his arm, his telephone number Lustiger once told his curious daughter, said, ” The more I have learned about this episode, the less I understand it .”
Takesato Watanabe, professor of media ethics at Doshisha University in Kyoto and visiting scholar at Harvard University, one of authors of book titled “A Public Betrayed” lists some of the following reasons for Japanese extreme brutalities, similar conclusion was also reached by Iris Chang in her best selling book “Rape of Nanking – The Forgotten Holocaust” :
Racial Prejudice :
e.g. in the Jan. 1942 issue of Bungei Shunju, one of Japan’s most popular monthly magazine, article ” Establishing a Japanese Racial Worldview” explained the Japanese concept of “Proper Place” and stated that the Japanese is “the most superior race in the world”.
Sub-Human View :
Long before the war, Japanese militaristic government had already extensively brain-washed both the civilians and soldiers. Japanese brain-wash was so successful that most Japanese were brain-washed into believing that other Asian were actually Sub-Human.
Distorted Cultural Superiority :
Most Japanese had an extremely naive and completely distorted cultural view of Superiority which played a foundamental role in most Japanese attitude and behaviour. The distorted view brain-washed Japanese into committing these extremely atrocious Crimes un-precedented in modern History.
Holy War :
Most Japanese had been thoroughly brain-washed by the Japanese militaristic government and blindly believed that the 14 years of in-human brutality was a Holy War in the name of the God-like Emperor Hirohito. Even today, the 1,068 War Criminals including the 14 Class-A War Criminals secretly enshrined in 1978, are called “Showa Martyrs” by the Yasukuni Shrine.
In 2005, wartime Emporer Hirohito’s birthday is honored as “Showa Day”, a National holiday to explicitly glorify Japan’s 14 years Asian Holocaust, equivalent to making Hitler’s birthday a National holiday in Germany.
To the rest of world, it is an issue as clear as the Emperor’s new clothes.
Ironically, the Emperor himself admits he is Korean.
US exposes Japan’s sex slave past
By Connie Kang
December 8, 2003
The Japanese Government was directly involved in developing and operating military brothels in which hundreds of thousands of Asian girls and women were forced to work as sex slaves during World War II, according to a recently declassified US report.
Issued by General Headquarters, Supreme Commander for the Allied Powers on November 15, 1945, the 36-page report offers the most detailed account yet of how the military brothels – euphemistically called “comfort stations” or “houses of relaxation” – were run during Japan’s aggression throughout Asia.
Japan has denied any official approval of the brothels, arguing they were created by civilians. But the report, based on statements from Japanese prisoners of war and documents confiscated by the US military, said operators received licences from the Japanese military and worked under its direct supervision.
The documents were obtained from the National Archives by an international research team affiliated with the University of California, Riverside, and Seoul National University under the US Freedom of Information Act. The report is expected to assist human rights activists who have been fighting for reparations for the surviving victims of what some scholars refer to as the “Pacific holocaust”.
hnp,
Kaya ako nagpalit from “tongue in, anew” dahil sa personal na paki-usap ni Ellen. Siyempre, dapat igalang ang host. While it is accepted by other sites (including BBC’s), I understand ellen’s concern that rednecks have invaded her blog. That nick has history behind it. One who is not alluded to need not be offended as it appears innocent and harmless, those who wish me ill otherwise get offended by the pun, even if not intended.
Btw, Wowow is a crazy Japanese cable channel popular here for R-rated midnight shows and the latest movies from around the world.
ystakei & vic:
I agree with everything your saying. Perhaps its difficult for most living here because both of you reside in countries that had already had tried and tested Institutions unlike here our Institution are in disarray without exception, whereas we cannot challenge them all at the same time and don’t have the will or experience where to start the changes. Its not enough to change our administration here but to choose a new administartors who are up to the challege to make changes that benefit all and not the few..
Tongue T: They didn’t achieve it however, by monkey-wrenching alone, the site was frequently hacked and access became difficult and the familiar names (including some of us here like chi, chabeli, johnmarzan, Jon M., Dean Jorge (GSDC), jay seneca (cynikho?), many others) started to disappear. We can’t allow that to happen again, here in Ellen’s blog, right!
*****
You bet, we won’t. I don’t blog at PCIJ, and visit it only when I download the pertinent giveaways like the Garci tapes, etc. Otherwise, hindi na ako nakikisawsaw doon. I am here with my barkada, and we’re hard put to keep this blog running for as long as Ellen is able to keep it going.
Mino-monitor ko nga ito for the Malacanang brigaders to expose and reveal. Kaya galit na galit ang mga ungas sa akin. But I thank my police connection for the protection and needed help in this monitoring as a matter of fact.
Anyway, I am not interested in the trash being post here, but in your report on the Pasay war. Tonguena, noong panahon ni Lacson hindi uubra ang maniobra na ganyan ng Malacanang. Sayang walang ma-produce na katulad ni Arsenio Lacson, who was the best Mayor Manila had. Hindi yumaman, and I remember his house right on the road to Nagtahan without police guards because the Mayor was really brave and courageous.
Tignan mo naman iyong mga squatters ng Malacanang. Golly, nakahalang sa kalye, iyong mga containers from the Manila pier, at mga sundalong kanin! Kung matapang iyong kabalen na nandoon, bakit hindi niya ipatanggal ang mga iyan. Takot na takot ang ungas pero pag labas sa camera akala mo kung sinong matapang. Ang landi pa ng dating!
You bet, I don’t need to respect this criminal. We don’t treat criminals with respect as a matter of fact. We treat them as they are—criminals who should be sent to prison!!!
O balik na sa topic, but before that, kuwento ka muna Tongue T. OK? BTW, bakit parang mga hoodlums ang police ng Pasay? Mas lalo bang naging garapalan na diyan?
PATALSIKIN NA, NOW NA!
What’s your point posting such irrelevant news here HP? You can bet your bottom dollar there are NGOs here tackling Japan’s bitter past with our government kaya huwag ka nang makialam. Pakialaman mo na lang ang problema ng bansang sinilangan if you are really into this cleaning attempt by a lot many of us bloggers here of the criminals running the country now like hell.
PAALISIN NA, NOW NA! Tonguena, halata na ayaw pang pabisto!
Ang hirap pumasok kapag tumira talaga ang mga surots ni Glueria. Kaya, Anna, handa mo na ang boots mong pangtiris sa kanila! 😛
ystakei,
sorry, akala ko pwede tayong mag-comment ng tungkol sa ibang bansa. tulad mo, binansagan mo ng FASCIST SOCIETY ang amerika.
Tongue T,
I was able to download yesterday a good copy of the “Children of Men.” I’ve made a DVD, and I’m now watching it. This is a good movie that exposes the evils around us today especially with leaders like Bush, Blair and the bogus president of the Philippines. At least, of the three, only Blair was put there by popular and legal process. The other two got their seats more by manipulation and cheating!
Better my other PC where I’m downloading Al Gore’s “The Inconvenient Truth.” I have downloaded, too, the documentary “Iraq for Sale” and the “Uncovered Truth About Iraq” which a must see. These DVDs I can send you if you want for your collection if you give Ellen your address as I have obtained copyright permission to reproduce them.
I actually have a collection of documentaries that I bought from some independent movie companies like that of Michael Moore, whom I met when he came over for the International Criminal Tribunal for Iraq where I served as an interpreter.
You should see that Michael Moore movie, Fahrenheit 9/11, again. Filipinos should be prepared for a possible attack on Jolo ala-Afghanistan and Iraq by the Americans disguised as VFA exercises. The Dugong-Aso cannot care less what happens to the Philippines as a matter of fact with her loots now being stashed unabated overseas, especially in the USA unless of course the US government revokes their green cards!!!
Furthermore, we need desperatly to get ourselves into a situation whereby all Institutions follow the Constitution and the rule of law to the letter.
Our most recent example is the newly appointed DND chief bending the AFP & Comelec agreement rules as soon as he takes over the DND office.
Every time something like this happens when the rule of law or agreements are ignored it damages this countries reputation, endorses the International Community thinking that we are a population who like their leader lies, cheats, steals & kills at a drop of a hat without thinking. Our problem here goes much deeper than anything experienced by Japan, Canada, Europe or even Cuba!
Mali ang analysis mo, HP. Walang kinalaman ang hapon sa problema ng mga pilipino sa mga Pidals, at sa pinag-uusapan sa blog and loop na ito. Iyong paglagay mo ng kuwento ng isang Tsina na akala mo naman walang ginagawa ang mga hapon sa mga allegations na ito e patutsada lang komo taga Japan ang matibay na critic ng mga amo mo o ng iba pang mga surot dito. Lumang tugtugin na. Nakakabangas lang, kaya stop kung ayaw mong mapagbintangang isa ka pang Internet Brigader na nanggugulo dito. Iyong comment ko sa itaas ay relevant sa pinag-uusapan. Iyong pag-post mo ng irrelevant issue on Japan, walang kinalaman sa pinag-uusapan dito. Kaya, please stop the silly comparison dahil walang comparison kahit na sabihin kong fascist ang society ng America with all the racial discriminations and all.
PATALSIKIN NA, NOW NA!
Hello folks,
OK, let’s calm down folks… I think it would be wise to stick to the topic at hand, just as Cocoy said, ——Kaibigan, halika usap tayo!—-
I really don’t like to dig up WWII stories about the Japanese Imperial Army as a gratuitous dig at Yuko. I believe it’s unfair.
I’ve known Yuko for many years and she’s always been consistent on all fronts particularly where the Philippines is concerned: she’s helped many of our kababayans in dire straits in Japan.
You will all agree that Yuko can not be blamed for the atrocities committed on our people during the war. She’s one of the few people I know who follows words with action. Let’s not waylay our ideals because we are hounded by war of Imperial Japan on us in the 40s.
My own father who lost his little family to the horrors committed by elements of Japan’s Imperial Army then had this to say when I asked him long ago why he was nice to our young Japanese friends: “They are not to be blamed for the faults of their fathers.”
All of us here have something good to say about our adopted country. It is clear that we try to draw from our experiences as expats of all kind to share with folks at home.
Should we really be hell bent on talking about wars, I can propose two war topics (gosh, the war on Philippine education should be the most important in this thread but never mind), our war on Gloria or the war on Iraq.
For those who are interested in the War on Iraq, I’ve just blogged about it, feel free to visit my website http://www.hillblogger.blogspot.com/. (Heh!)
Because over here in Ellen’s blog, I’d rather tackle OUR WAR ON GLORIA!
And that can wait coz I gotta hit the sack now.
Cheers, folks!
Ellen,
What can you say about the actuations of the new Secretary of National Defense in his first interview with the media?..”High blood”, pikon, booboo, mayabang, walang alam, or simply “idiot and stupid”? As I predicted, this guy will have a “rough sailing” to get the cooperation of the media, moreso, with most of the senior and junior officers of the AFP with the “first impression” he had shown on his first day of office on national TV coverage..tsk..tsk..tsk
ystakei
Blair was in fact elected by the people, but they were hoodwinked, although Blair was elected on a Labour vote his policies were no different to the Covservative Party thats where the people were hoodwicked.
The true Labour Party members were warning everyone the dangers of Blair and Blair in turn was hoodwicked by the american administration even to this day. But now Blair is suffering his actions of the likes of Iraq from the people. Weapons of mass destruction! none were found, Blair is guilty of joining the americans in their lying. They are no different than from this evil superwoman, the lies eventually find them out.
ystakei,
michael moore, al gore’s documentary, children of men, tony blair – ang mga ito ba ay may kinalaman sa politika sa pilipinas? sa kabilang banda, ano na ba ang nangyari sa mga ‘comfort women’ na pilipino? hindi ba kayo interesado na mabigyan ng hustisya ang mga babaeng ginawang parausan?
Last but not least for today, BN, iyong tanong mo tungkol Ebdane, sagot ko, iyan ang bastos!
Everybody in the Manila Police knows this guy is a creep. Walang ginagawa iyan kundi maghintay na matapos ang trabaho nila bago eentra for publicity. Kung ako naman ang media diyan, e-expose ko ang ungas na iyan na pihadong may binabayaran ding mga media people to write nice things about him.
Gotta review that interview with one police superintendent who condemned this guy, who got some booties for evidences he did not deserve to take credit for that were turned over to the FBI. Langya talaga!
You bet, Anna, my own father, the Japanese mestiso, fought for the Philippines in WWII because it was the land of his birth. His brother was a Bataan Death March veteran, and I am proud of him. He was buried in the US national cemetery in SFO.
My father had relatives, too, who were on the other side of the fence. Fortunately, they did not serve in the Philippines. They were deployed elsewhere.
Sinabi mo pa. This blog is to tackle the war on the bogus government of the bogus president, nothing to do with what Japan did in WWII, which should not be mentioned when it is not relevant to the topic being discussed here as when we mention for example these movies to see to ease the tension or to get some idea on how to fight this evil government!
Friends,
Before hitting the sack, I thought I should share with you all why I said that Yuko isn’t all words; here’s a letter from Sen Pimentel to her after she wrote to the Senator about the girl who was the topic of the previous thread in Ellen’s blog …
Read this and weep http://www.ellentordesillas.com/?p=880
—– Original Message —–
From: Aquilino Pimentel Jr.
To: friends-of-nenepimentel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 12:47 AM
Subject: RE: [friends-of-nenepimentel] FW: Sad Story of an OFW in Qatar
Yuko:
If there’s a way you could get the victim to see me at the senate next week: Monday/Tuesday/Wednesday at 3pm (not mornings), it would give me a chance to talk with her, get some details, and demand that she gets justice.
After Wednesday, most likely she can’t see me anymore as I will have other schedules to attend to out of Manila.
It’s a terrible story and certainly we should do everything possible to bring to justice people who harmed her – probably starting from the recruitment agency here in Manila. Also if her narration is true regarding what appears to be the callous way she was treated by our own government officials, then, we should also call them to account.
Nene Pimentel
Office of Senator Aquilino Q. Pimentel Jr.
Senate of the Philippines
Pasay City
website: http://www.nenepimentel.org
email: nenepimentel@pldtdsl.net
anna,
ang sa akin lang naman, dapat patas lang. kung pinag-uusapan natin ang ibang bansa paminsan-minsan, hindi masama na ibahagi ang mga nangyari at nagyayari masama man o mabuti. minsan ang sugat ng isang digmaan ay hindi naghihilom kung hindi nabibigyan ng hustisya ang mga pagkakamali. isa na dyan ang isyu ng comfort women. kung amerika naman ang pag-uusapan, hanngang sa kasalukuyan ay mayroon pa ring isyu ang filipino-american war:
hindi ko alam kung ilan sa inyo dito ang may alam tungkul sa church bells ng Balangiga.
Historical Background
The Bells of Balangiga issue goes back to the American involvement in the Philippines, which began with the Spanish-American War in 1898. The Philippines was then a Spanish possession. After the defeat of Spain, however, the United States decided to retain possession of the Philippines rather than grant the nation its independence. An insurrection followed, which lasted more than three years and cost the lives of 4,200 US troops and some 20,000 Filipino combatants. Thousands more Filipino died as a result of famine and disease caused by the war.
The most infamous incident of the war occurred on September 28, 1901, in the town of Balangiga, located some 400 miles southeast of Manila on the island of Samar. The church bells in Balangiga were reportedly used to signal a surprise attack by Filipino insurgents, many using machetes on an American garrison posted in the town.
The attack left more than 50 US soldiers dead and led to American repisals. It was so severe that they resulted in the reprimand of the American commander, Gen. Jacob Smith. But it was also effective as it shortened the insurrection to six months.
Among the actions taken by the American troops during the reprisals was the razing of several Catholic churches in the area and the confiscation of the Bells of Balangiga as trophies of war. They now hang in a “trophy park” at the Warren Air Force Base.
You can sign a petition for its return here:
http://www.petitiononline.com/bells05/
Anna;
Re;I can propose to war topics:
I found it interesting to talk about the second world war as an archive, that need to envision for our young generation as a retrospect about ambiguity ,brutality, cruelty, inhumanity and degrading dignity before restoring our democracy.
All I can see that Adolf Hitler was a monster ,who brainwash the German and he don’t even considered one. He was an Austrian .He want to purify the German by cleansing the Aryan race
and he has the Gestapo to do his dirty laundry .He persecuted the Jews. This is how I compare the
the ambiguous reigning midget wannabe Queen in Malacanang.—-The clone opposite sex of Hitler.
anna,
ang sa akin lang naman, dapat patas lang. kung pinag-uusapan natin ang amerika, bakit hindi ang ibang bansa? lalo na kung may isyu pa hanggang sa kasalukuyan. ang isyu ng ‘comfort women’ ay buhay pa rin hanggang ngayon. ano ba ang ginagawa ng gobyerno tungkol dito?
at kung amerika naman ang pag-uusapan, ang filipino-american war ay may buhay na isyu pa hanggang ngayon (mas luma pa yan sa WWII):
Matagal nang gustong maibalik sa pilipinas ang Balingaga bells. The petition link is at the end.
Historical Background
The Bells of Balangiga issue goes back to the American involvement in the Philippines, which began with the Spanish-American War in 1898. The Philippines was then a Spanish possession. After the defeat of Spain, however, the United States decided to retain possession of the Philippines rather than grant the nation its independence. An insurrection followed, which lasted more than three years and cost the lives of 4,200 US troops and some 20,000 Filipino combatants. Thousands more Filipino died as a result of famine and disease caused by the war.
The most infamous incident of the war occurred on September 28, 1901, in the town of Balangiga, located some 400 miles southeast of Manila on the island of Samar. The church bells in Balangiga were reportedly used to signal a surprise attack by Filipino insurgents, many using machetes on an American garrison posted in the town.
The attack left more than 50 US soldiers dead and led to American repisals. It was so severe that they resulted in the reprimand of the American commander, Gen. Jacob Smith. But it was also effective as it shortened the insurrection to six months.
Among the actions taken by the American troops during the reprisals was the razing of several Catholic churches in the area and the confiscation of the Bells of Balangiga as trophies of war. They now hang in a “trophy park” at the Warren Air Force Base.
http://www.petitiononline.com/bells05
VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN SITE:
http://www.vday.org/contents/vcampaigns/spotlight/comfortwomen
it also has also features on the Reported Rape of Filipino Women by US Military Personnel
Hey hindi na yata ako naiinis, naaawa na. Back to your straitjacket, please! tsk, tsk, tsk…Mahirap na sakit yang paranoia. Usually ends in suicide.
Warrior;
RE: Kabayang Cocoy sana huwag kang magbago sa akin.—
Kaibigan,kahit kailan di nabago ang pagtingin ko sa inyong lahat dahil lahat kayo ay nakasama ko na dito ng matagal.Hindi ako marunong magtanim ng hinanakit at nagtatago ng kimkim sa dibdib.Binabalanse ko ang ang situation at wala akong pinapanigan.Para lang naman tayong magkaka-eskuwela lahat na nagdidibatihan sa klase at naglalaro ng piko at Jolen dito at sana wala na tayong pikunanan at manumbalik ang ating magandang samahan.Prangka ako.Kung ayaw ko sa isang tao ay sinasasabi ko.Warrior keep on writting.
Ystakei:
Re;
Facist Society ang America;
Huwag namang ganyan.Alam mo ba kung ano ang pinagsasabi mo at kung ano ang kahulugan ng Fascist—-I give you the meaning–it is an Italian words meaning group ,the term came to be applied to right-wing advocates of totalitarianism and extreme nationalism .Fascism emphasizes the importance of the states rather than the individual, like communism, but it does not call for state ownership of property. This states take care the needs of the people. I am sorry if your opportunity in this great country was slim when you are here. Maybe, you are not qualified for the job you are looking for or lack of experience and education. We are equal employement opportunity in here.
Lets keep to the subject being discussed before the weirdo of the night turned up with they’er repeated waffle and crab mentality.
The key to better English is better implementation; more teacher training in grammar, composition, vocabulary; more mechanisms to expand English usage in schools such as campus journalism, campus radio, assigned days for English and Filipino communication and the like, more bilingual reading books and elocution contests and spelling bees (both in English and Filipino).
English is essential for communication, but Science and Math are crucial for competitiveness.
We need to be more creative and committed to better English teaching, but not at the expense of Science and Math. Legislation is not necessarily creative. The Gullas Bill in fact ignores world experience on learning by prescribing a solution that misses the problem completely: Why are Philippine schoolchildren not learning?
For me, Juan Miguel Luz, president of the International Institute of Rural Reconstruction and a former education undersecretary, missed an important point.
That is with the fact that many mothers are now working abroad, one of the elements of discipline on the education of children. Like most other things the mother usually has a large part to play in education of children in the home. In my household, like most other households the mother is keeping a daily watch on their childrens educational progress, and the children know it! the teachers know it! Parents supervision is a a big factor in the education of their children.
TonGuE-tWisTeD:
Hahahahah! thats funny, I was thinking of rehab but maybe too late for that, straitjacket is a safer idea.
Warrior:
I think you answered my question.A kimono,I remember that.Maybe,Ystakei forgot that my ex-wife is a japanese.
Warrior:
Mababait ang mga haponesa,kaya daw ako ang ginusto niyang mapangasawa dahil salbahe daw ang mga haponeso.nambubugbog at gusto raw nila pagdating ng bahay salubungin at hubaran ng medyas at sapatos.Iyang mga pinagkukuwento niya tungkol sa Japan,matagal ko ng alam iyan.Nahalughog ko ang boung Tokyo at ,marami akong kilalang mga big shots dyan.
Warrior:
Iyan ang itanong mo kay madame Y.
nawawala na ang karamihan dito sa tunay na tinatalakay. makakatulong ba ‘yan sa pinag-uusapan? lalo lamang lalalim ang hindi pagkakaunawaan kung hindi mawawala ang patutsadahan at pag-uungkat ng personal na buhay na hindi naman batid kung may katotohanan.
muli kong babanggitin dito na ang taong may pinag-aralan ay hindi masasabing sibilisado kung hindi marunong ng tamang asal at tatalunin pa ng isang taong hindi nakatuntong sa paaralan subalit alam kung paano makipagkapuwa tao.
nakikipamahay lamang tayo dito at kahit wala ang may-ari ng bahay, huwag naman sana tayong parang halo halong kalamay.
agree with mrivera that we are going out of topic.but in my opinion i think the most of the bloggers have said what they think on the topic and then just came out naturally from the comments of others.
thanks hindinapinoy for your historical inputs.i agree with cocoy too that in a way we must not forget about the ww2 and that certainly the usa is not correctly described as fascist, i personally will describe it as the seat of capitalism.whether we like it or not, the usa is still the most powerful country in the world.
Sinabi mo pa, Magno, gaya ng sinabi ng nanay ko, “Ang pumatol sa mga loko-loko ay mas mas lalong loko-loko! Pero gaya na nga ng nahahalata na ng lahat, kung hindi si Anna ang ginagamit na panggulo ay ako ang pinupuntirya ng mga loko. Kaya sabi ko tigilan na ang paglalagay dito ng mga topics na wala namang kinalaman sa Pilipinas. Iyong tungkol sa mga kano ay baka pa kasi nga dahil sa ang damdam naman ng maraming mga pilipinong hinuhubog na huwag mahalin ang bansa nila at kung puede lang ay huwag na silang bumalik kung makakaalis sila ay Amerikano silang hilaw!
Iyong problema ng Hapon ay kayang lutasin ng mga hapon di tulad sa Pilipinas na lahat ng utot ay pinaaalam pa sa Amerika. Tignan mo na lang ang kagagahan noon squatter sa Malacanang na ina-announce pa na tumawag sa Malacanang para batiin siya ng isa pang sira doon na ngayon ay binabatikos na ng mga kapwa niya mga Amerikano.
Ginagawa pa kaming mga inutil ng mga Internet Brigade na ito ni Bansot. Kaya nga sabi ko sa barkada ko, madaling hulihin ang mga ungas. Huling-huli sa totoo lang.
Kundi panggugulo ang ginagawa e bakit parang mga bakla ang mga ito na nakikipag-away sa mga babae! Ay badiday!
PATALSIKIN NA, NOW NA! BUGAW NA ASTA PROSTITUTA PA, SIPAIN NA!
How ya doing? What gives? This thread is very long na, isang dipa na ang naiwasan kong basahin para makita ko ang posting ko. Pero walang reaction, kaya ito copy and paste uli
para may makapansin. tao lang ako, kiliti din sa pansin. huwag lang galing sa mga tae, delikado ang kalusugan ko.
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anna
and everyone or is it everybody?
do what I say and what I do. If you
know the posting by name and by first
line. use your scroller, skip it. So you won’t bother to answer. in a blog where a topic now
gets a hundred or more posting, you won’t
missed anything worthy of your time and emotion.
If you see jay cynikho and don’t like my
previous postings, just skip me, ’cause I am not there at all. better still get the ID of the
blog contributor, list and post them in front of the computer. Let mutual principles go their own way. lET US MAKE Mutual admiration from multiples personalitY make their empty crazy day. LET’S DO THAT, SHALL WE?
Sira ulo lang ang hindi umiiwas at gustong tumatapak sa tae. Tae lalabanan mo?
SIGE mag react naman kayo.
that advice of mine violates numerous principles of journalism and fairness and democracy itself. Let’s give everybody a voice so they may be heard, even the ludicrous, the preposterous or ridiculous or whatever. fight for their right to be heard and not for the right ideas we want to hear from them.
That’s the conventional and the civilized, the natural and the ethical, even from the economic basket cases. We need principles to guide our lives, even animals (I supposed dogs follow principles of being man’s best friend) live and die on their principles.
Tungkol sa pagka-pasista ng America, may punto si ystakei.
“14 Defining Characterisitics of Fascism by Dr Lawrence Britt
1. Powerful and continuing nationalism.
2. Disdain for the recognition of human rights.
3. Identifying enemies or scapegoats as a unifying cause.
4. Supremacy of the military.
5. Rampant sexism.
6. Controlled mass media.
7. Obsession with national security.
8. Religion and government are intertwined.
9. Corporate power is protected.
10. Labor power is suppressed.
11. Disdain for intellectuals and the arts.
12. Obsession with crime and punishment.
13. Rampant cronyism and corruption.
14. Fraudulent elections.”
http://www.kontraband.com/show/show.asp?ID=1843&CAT=anims&NSFW=0
But the Philippines is the only one of its kind of a basket of shit, cooked in Gloria’s hell kitchen. Look at the Chritianity of Bishops, the Valor and Honor of Generals, The unfettered libido of politicians to rape their country. These leaders are nothing but one septic tank of diarrhea.
Nooo Sirrr, I will always advice everyone, Iwasan ang mga tae, baka makatapak or mabahiran ng tae. Kadiri to death sabi nga ng mga syoki. Hintayin ang araw na sunugin na ang mga tae.
If you join in burning the shit, even you won’t smell like shit anymore. You can travel the world with your head high. Please avoid reading shit, thought of and written by shits.
Who says Anna is the queen of bastos words?
Many Pinoys, not all of them dumbguard (hindi po ako Peemayer), have long appendages (it’s feet, dumbflicket, hindi po ako Yearling) like that of Plastic man (read the 50s’ Comics?) that they can stradle two or more countries in a matter of hours and soak their culture and compare it with theirs.
Vague and unclear? take Ystakei who have long and sexy legs (straight and not bent like her
adopted countrymen, left foot in Japan, right leg in SF USA. Like the retired teacher I know,
one leg in Las Vegas, another in Regina (pronounced as in vagina). And Vic and the others have said in eloquent words. The beauty and prosperity, we see in other climes, we longed for and missed in ours. But this plastic man’s legs, weekdays work in USA (Buffalo) restful weekends in Canada (not so restful in Scarborough) may already be the life of some Filipinos. Long legged Filipinos suffer too knowing by Internet’s Ellen that right now
our kababayans at home wallow and swim trying to survive in the lava of shit.
Incoherent, insane, futuristic? See the film
Idiocracy, repeat IDIOCRACY, and give praise to Gloria, PRAISE GLORIA THE QUEEN, who made the Philippines 550 years ahead of her friend’s, Bush’s USA.
That’s Filipinos overseas, NOT men without a country, but expats of many countries, in a matter of hours, in the European mainland and even in North and South America. A nurse in Texas walks across to Mexico to buy some medicines. No wonder it’s nicer to live in a bigger world.
JayC,
Basa ko lahat ang posts mo. Pero it’s difficult to react when the flow of blog is on and off. :). Later na lang when the water is calm.
jayc: i would like to comment on your question, are we the strongest link on the causation of our misfortunes…. i think in a democracy, the people are the biggest cause, since in a way, the politicians are from the people and voted by the people.not all politicians are corrupt in the same manner that not all filipinos are dumb.
chi: don’t you think it is calmer now?
I didn’t see the question! what I saw was a monologue where bloggers and their places of residence were being questioned with a touch of crab mentality and trying to
emulate a bloggers rich vocabulary and failed miserably.
tearful waffler:
Your like a dog with a bone, you won’t give it up will you. Back to your straitjacket.
Good night everyone, I will come back once they’re back in their straightjacket…..is it a full moon tonight?
If your not satisfied with how Ellen manages HER blog maybe you could get your own blog site. So why don’t you do that small thing then you can sit there and blog yourself all you want.
Tongue,
Yes, I remember that incident too, but the one I was referring was when jester was playing or maybe acting the “devil’s advocate” by commenting that those living in other countries can no longer claim loyalty to their birth country. I remember that on that subject, many “one timer” logged in just to give their piece of mind. I only stopped arguing when some of my town mates here and friends advised me that to question one’s loyalty and allegiance is Pointless.
One thing I admired, though we have rego, joselu, mitams and lots of others, we were able to maintain decorum and not much of personal attention towards the messengers but the messages. I know we can do it here. Our goal, I believe and most is to see a better Philippines despite the Rotten politicians and Corrupt systems, that we are pointing out in our comments, and if possible try to instill shame on them that if the rule of law can not do, will make them realize the harm they are doing not just for their own country, but eventually for themselves and their own…
vic, amen to that.
i thnk it is but natural to be sharing stories kung nasaang bansa man naka base ang iba nating kabayan…and we can all learn from them. its always good to see both sides of the coin. wag tayong maging utak pandak – “i, me and myself lang ang alam. i made this, i made that”, it was my admin who made this and that” and “everything came true when i became president!”…YES INDEED….EVERYTHING CAME TRUE…ang pangungurakot, pagsisinungaling, pagturing na napaka tanga ng mga pilipino at pang-uuto!!!!..ALL THESE CAME TRUE ONLY WITH THIS BITCH-WITCH!!!!
WWNL,huwag kang mag-alala, matitira din sa iyo. I’m in the process of coming up with my own blog. Do you wanna join? It’s called WWAL (We Will All Learn). Let me think…what about Warriors’ Blog? In my blog, no censor…everything goes maliban ang pagmumura.
yuko, ana, tongue, atbp;
gaya ng nabanggit ko sa mga naunang thread, MAGTIWALA sa mga readers of this blog. meron silang kakayahang maghiwalay sa mga posts na BASURA at MAYSILBI.
huwag na ninyong patulan ang patutsada sa inyo dahil ang sadya talaga nila ay IRITAHIN kayo, para mawala ang daloy ng magagandang usapan.
ang mga kalaban na nagkukunwaring nakikiisa sa layunin ng taumbayan ay nagbabasa din ng mga writings ng mga military strategists, ng gaya ni Sun Tzu, sa kanyang Art of War, na ang sabi, “… if your enemeny is of choleric temper, seek to irritate him.”
sadya siyempre para paghahati-hatiin tayo. for them, it is always easier to defeat us, when we are divided.
if by chance, some of us here cannot discern the obvious backside machinations of 2, 3 or 4 individuals to sully and villify this blog, then there is NOT much we can do about it.
ibig lang sabihin noon, ang KATANGAHAN pa ang merong upperhand at hindi pa nagbabago ang Pinoy mula pa noong panahon nina Andres Bonifacio.
hindi ako sang-ayon kay Ana sa maraming niyang ideya tungkol sa paggamit ng kamay na bakal imbes na political settlement sa patuloy na problema sa insurgency. pero, hindi nawawala ang respeto ko sa kanyang pagkatao at hanga ako sa hangaring dalisay niya para sa Inang Bayan. at kasama ng aking pamilya, kami’y NAKIKI-ISA sa puntong ito.
sabi nga, if we cannot agree on something, we can at least agree to disagree without being disagreeable. and still remain respectful to each other.
spelling booboo:
“… if your enemy is of choleric temper, seek to irritate him.”
Zenzennai,
Your words show wisdom. And I agree.
“… if your enemy is of choleric temper, seek to irritate him.”
How true and so incredibly easy to do. Hahahahah!
Anna de brux,
Oui, still here in Las Islas. Waiting for the decision from our head office for my next post.
I like this story. At last, lumabas din ang balita kay Pigyur!
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Big Mike, enemy of the press—RSF
2007/02/03
First Gentleman Juan Miguel “Mike” Arroyo is now recognized by a global press watchdog as the Philippine press’ new enemy.
International press watchdog Reporters without Borders, or Reporters sans Frontieres (RSF), in its annual report released yesterday, pointed to the presidential spouse as the media’s newest enemy, coming on top of the many killers who have assassinated journalists in the country.
http://www.tribune.net.ph/
Chabeli, How nice! You having fun? Gone to the beach yet?
Chi, I just sent you pics of Gloria! Check for yourself when I said she had yellow buck teeth!
Oopps, forgot to mention that ELLEN is special mention in this Tribune headline news!
Apparently, Fatso has left for Germany to sign A waiver THERE! Inquirer reports.
Amazing, why did he have to go to Germany to sign it there when he could have signed it in Manila and sent it to Germany even by fax; also three Tongressmen left for Germany so why didn’t he just give it to them.
Well, Alan Cayetano has apprehensions and rightly so.
Here’s what Cayetano said:
In an interview, Cayetano welcomed the First Gentleman’s move, but quickly asked whether the waiver was limited only to the Munich account.
“If it’s truly a waiver, then he will have no problem in signing the waiver I have signed and have asked him to sign,” said Cayetano.
He hoped that this time the First Gentleman was not bluffing.
“I hope the waiver will reveal the truth. I hope this time he will not cheat on the waiver or present a fake waiver,” said the opposition lawmaker.
But Cayetano wondered why the Mr. Arroyo had to go to Germany, saying, “Why spend millions of pesos to go to Germany instead of just signing the waiver here?”
He said he “remained steadfast” in his earlier commitment to voluntarily resign from the House if the First Family signed a waiver which would cover all its bank accounts and investments here and abroad.
He stressed that what he was trying to prove was not just the German account but whether there was a “pattern of corruption and money laundering of President Arroyo and some members of the First Family.”
My take: As I’ve said earlier, a waiver is no good if:
1) it limits it to one bank branch (money could have been moved long ago to another branch)
2) if the bank account number is not exact (holder could have several bank accounts – bank is limited to reveal the contents of the exact bank account if waiver states it)
3) if the waiver does not contain the EXACT name or names of the owner
Highly suspicious trip of Fatso – he’s such an unbelievable creep that one can’t trust him, besides he can just turn the three tongressman around his big fat finger or around his tadpole belly and pffft… waiver no more!
Hahahah! Omigosh, yellow buck teeth nga! Does she know na merong tooth whitener?! Heheh! Banig pa ang suot as you said.
Anna,
Your daughter is pang Miss Universe ang beauty. Hahah! Mukhang Superatsay niya si Dirty Mama G.
Wow, this little Anna is beauty and brains! She’s a princess!
Di ba? banig ang suot! I told ya! Hahahah!
ehe! teeth whitener pala, sa dami ng papuputiin na ngipin ni Dirty Mama G!
Chi her teeth are nakakadiri talaga in person especially with so much white pancake on her face, the teeth, you see nothing but the teeth when she laughs or smiles! Yuck!
Thanks for the compliment Chi! naku she will blush hah!
I want to send Gloria’s pic to Chabeli so she knows what we are laughing about but we have to wait for Ellen to get back! Heh!
Ystakei:
Re;
Ang pumapatol sa loko loko ay mas lalong loko loko.
Yuko san!–Don’t say that your peers are insane. Sometimes, we gave more importance to your comments because you make it personal to others. If they noticed your critics and confronted you and you couldn’t come up with a logical reasoning you called that person—crazy–I remenbered that once when you called me –Barakayo–Don’t run and hide like a beaten fox,face your critics.I’ve been quite for long time because I am not looking for a hated argument with you .But, you went overboard. At least can you give some good reasoning.—I am waiting for your comment why you called America a–Fascist Society–can you convince me to agree with you.You called pinoy in here amerikanong hilaw.—There is no real american in this country if you dig your American history books,it started in immigration from different race.Maybe,the Indians who are the natives I suppose…….Switiks internet brigades—Your suspicion is killing your principles—-
Anna de brux,
Once in awhile, the system & the culture does get into my nerves. Most especially the elite. They’re still the same. The election fever is heating up-& to think its still a few months away ! Catching up on old friends-& again, politics is the conversation really. Over all, it’s okay to be here for awhile. I don’t know if staying here too long would get my goat, though. It’s hubby, work & blogging ! Heheh. Thanks for asking.
Yes, Anna de brux, I’d like to see Dirty Mama G’s pic ! I sure am curious to see what you & Chi.
But I don’t have your e-mail, Chabeli. When Ellen comes back (hopefully SOOOOON!) I will ask her to forward it to you… you will see that what I’ve been telling and posting all along are right in that pic! Hahahah!
Good news..in its web today, The Daily Tribune reports that
the “International press watchdog Reporters without Borders, or Reporters sans Frontieres (RSF), in its annual report released yesterday, pointed to the presidential spouse as the media’s newest enemy, coming on top of the many killers who have assassinated journalists in the country.”
RSF’s report says that ““Despite new arrests of murderers, the authorities failed to stem the wave of violence against journalists. At least six were killed in 2006. And the press also found itself facing a new enemy: Jose Miguel Arroyo, the husband of President Gloria Arroyo, who took out a raft of defamation suits,””
“RSF also pointed out that on that same day Mrs. Arroyo was mouthing platitudes on protecting and upholding press freedom, “journalist Ellen Tordesillas, a stern critic of the government received an e-mail warning her: ‘Your days are numbered.’””
Kitamokitako,
Never heard anything about the 3 Tongressmen from Phils. Nothing was mentioned nor seen in TV about that summit in DAVOS, Switzerland!
Okay, Anna de brux. Ask nalang Ms. Ellen to give you my e-mail.
oy relax lang tayo, magsine muna tayo.
who was it who said panoorin yung
Children of Men
Sabi ko naman panoorin yung “Idiocracy”
relax and read the reviews:
From film critic James Sanford
It seems more like “Selected Scenes from ‘Idiocracy'” than it does an actual film. Still, there are some genuine laughs to be had here, and Judge’s vision of a future dominated entirely by morons is memorably bizarre
In “Idiocracy,” lazy soldier Joe (Wilson) and cynical hooker Rita (Rudolph) are conned into participating in an Army-sonsored “hibernation” experiment that’s intended to last only one year. Joe and Rita are forgotten, however, and don’t wake up until 2505 (sorry I wrote 550 years from now), where they find a corporation-controlled society fueled by junk food (everyone is named after a product, including Joe’s clueless “attornee” Frito, played by Dax Shepard) and trashy TV (Fox News is now hosted by a bare-chested muscleman).
Thanks to centuries of promiscuous idiots, the country is full of sex-obsessed, illiterate, verbally challenged cretins and the cities are in a hilarious state of disrepair, with swaying skyscrapers and ruined freeways that send cars hurtling into oblivion.
Judge (who made the movie), who never shied away from puerile humor when he was writing for “Beavis and Butt-Head,” has turned the tables on his audience: Laugh at stupidity today, he’s saying, but in the future the joke will be on you.
From MaryAnn Johanson
Judge — who wrote and directed — takes a surgical scalpel to a far more fundamental aspect of modern American society: our propensity, nay, glad willingness to dumb everything way the hell down until there’s nothing but dumb left … and then to celebrate the dumb. Judge’s wicked satire here is so pointed, so undismissable, so clearly so close to where we could be headed as a civilization that there’s no laughing it away, as meanly, angrily funny as it is.
Anna:
Before I slip into my futon, thanks and no thanks for the pictures of the Burot. Ang pangit! Baka mabangungot ako! Kakadiri the buck teeth kaya pag nagsasalita parang marami ang F’s and V’s niya. Mukhang lalong tumangkad ang anak mo sa pandak niya! 😛
Chabeli, Chi:
Nakita ko rin ang article sa Tribune on the Fatso. Pero may effect kaya iyan? Kasi ang kapal na ng mukha ng taong ito dahil ang akala niya ay talagang powerful na powerful na siya!
Nakita ko rin ang pictures noong tatlong Tongressmen na nagpunta kuno sa Germany. Ang lalaki ng tiyan. Siguro well fed ng lechon sa Malacanang! Ano kaya ang magagawa nila na walang protocol from the DFA o Ministry of Foreign Affairs ng Germany.
You bet, puede namang kahit na hindi siya pumunta sa Germany, itong si Fatso kung talaga fair ang deal niya ay mag-i-issue siya ng waiver, ang dami pang tsetseburetse!
Bakit hindi na lang mag-imbestiga ang mga dapat mag-imbestiga para malaman ang katotohanan ng sinasabi ni
Allan Cayetano na confident sa pinanghahawakan niyang ebidensiya! Alam naman ng mga Pidal kung ano ang ginagawa nilang kalokohan kaya nga lang ayaw pa raw na mabisto!
Dapat sa mga iyan ay tumalon na lang sa mataas na building para matapos na sila!
PATALSIKIN NA, NOW NA!
Zenzennai:
Sinabi mo pa. Sabi nga, “Great minds think alike!” Wala namang problema sa mga nakakaintindi ng tamang asal sa
totoo lang. Sinabi na nga ni Tongue T iyon nang wala pang nanggugulo dahil nandiyan si Ellen noon na humahalang sa kanila. Napagod na nga ang tao sa kade-delete ng mga posts na hindi maganda.
Ang sarap-sarap ng usapan, dumali na naman ang mga bading, sabi ni Soleil! Utos pihado ng amo nila!
Elvie:
Usually, para sabihing may ginawa para worth ng junket nila ay piname-meet ng Philippine Embassy ang mga dignitaries daw na dumarating sa mga pilipino doon sa bansang binisita nila. Kaya kung ako ikaw, abangan mo ang imbitasyon at nang marinig mo kung anong mga kabalbalan ang sasabihin nila. Dito iyan nasusupalpal sila sa totoo lang lalo na kung ang pinag-uusapan ay ang pagpapabaya sa mga pilipinong may problema sa panunuluyan at pagtratrabaho nila.
Isang ginagawa ng mga kurakot na alam ko ay nanghihingi pa ang mga iyan sa ambassador ng pera para pangguratsa nila. Siguro dapat mong itanong iyan sa kanila, kung magkanong taxpayers’ money ang sinasayang nila.
PATALSIKIN NA, NOW NA!
Ystajei:
Re;Ang sarap-sarap ng usapan,sumingit ang mga bading;
Di kami bakla.–You are the one who started it,why don’t you face us.You don’t even answer my question above about what you said and here you go again with another trash.You don’t get it,do you?
Warrior;
I’ve been quite for there critics for long time,But,this time I could not take it no more.—To make a comment for something you need to back the statement or else,you are just fishing.—Fascist Society—…Can you analyze that for me.—Amerkanong hilaw—Too,much!
norpil Says:
February 2nd, 2007 at 9:15 pm
jayc: i would like to comment on your question, are we the strongest link on the causation of our misfortunes…. i think in a democracy, the people are the biggest cause, since in a way, the politicians are from the people and voted by the people. not all politicians are corrupt in the same manner that not all filipinos are dumb.
we-will-never-learn Says:
February 2nd, 2007 at 9:39 pm
I didn’t see the question! what I saw was a monologue where bloggers and their places of residence were being questioned with a touch of crab mentality and trying to emulate a bloggers rich vocabulary and failed miserably.
Norphil: for thanks understanding what I said.
wwnl: sorry you didn’t see the question. I did not get that “monologue where bloggers and their places of residence were being question,” That wasn’t me man! What I posted
was that Pinoys got their feet everywhere, expats crossing borders in matter of hours. That’s an accomplishment man.!
Didn’t see the pertinence of crab mentality there either.
I sometimes unknowingly used jargon like “strongest link in the causation of our misfortune.” because I just type what
comes to mind. Not my fault that once, long ago, I almost became an academic writing high falluting essays always marked “B”. Why should I emulate “a blogger rich vocabulary” when using simple words I got misunderstood for some kind of a “word jerk” That’s not me, man! I am my name man.!
British to Show Al Gore Movie in Schools
Feb 2, 11:25 AM (ET)
LONDON (AP) – Former U.S. Vice President Al Gore’s global warming documentary will be sent to every secondary school in England as part of a campaign to tackle climate change, the government said Friday.
Environment Secretary David Miliband and Education Secretary Alan Johnson announced plans to distribute Gore’s film, “An Inconvenient Truth,” on the day the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report was published in Paris. The report by leading scientists, said global warming has started and is “very likely” caused by humans.
“The debate over the science of climate change is well and truly over, as demonstrated by the publication of today’s report by the IPCC,” Miliband said. “Our energies should now be channeled into how we respond in an innovative and positive way in moving to a low-carbon future.”
In the film, Gore warns that unless action is taken to reduce carbon emissions soon, global warming will have disastrous implications for the environment.
“Children are the key to changing society’s long-term attitudes to the environment,” Johnson said. “Not only are they passionate about saving the planet, but children also have a big influence over their own families’ lifestyles and behavior.”
The DVD will go to 3,385 secondary schools in England as part of a year-long environmental education campaign.
zen, thanks for your concern.
Isang araw na ang lumipas, ganun pa rin? Subukan ko ngang i-analyze. Tatagalugin ko na lang, kahit baluktot minsan. Nakakahiya sa mga banyagang makakabasa. Ang topic nga pala “English first policy will hurt learning.” Pero sa ngayon yata ang topic, “me first”.
Maganda rin palang nagbabakasyon si Ellen sa Antique paminsan-minsan. Nagkakaroon ng pagkakataong maghingahan ng sama ng loob. Nagkakaalaman tuloy. Meron pang umiiyak. At may mga kusangloob at matapang naman na nagpapahayag ng suporta sa isa o sa kabilang panig at meron din namang nanlilimos lang ng suporta. Damay-damay tuloy. At may sadyang naghahanap lang ng damay. Dito mapapatunayan na kailangan talaga ang moderator dahil kung wala, aabusuhin lang ng mga nakikisilong hindi lang ang mga kapwa niya bisita. Maging ang may-ari ng bahay gusto yatang halayin.
Tignan ninyo ito, simula 1:13 ng madaling araw hanggang sa dumating 11:52 maayos ang blog, naka 115 comments na walang problema. Normal. Pag dating ng 11:54 pm, nagsimula na ang panggugulo. “Napaaga ng ilang minuto ang mga aswang” sabi ng driver kong si Mang Erning na paminsan-minsan nagpopost din dito.
Nariyang inuungkat ang nakalipas, nariyang tinatawag pati kapitbahay, para sumali sa kaguluhan. Pati yung tsismis ng kapitbahay, binitbit pa. Yung ibang medyo gullible, naudyukan naman. Resulta, rambol na naman. Mahigit nang isang araw na pilit ibinabalik ng iba sa kaayusan pero meron talagang mga bisitang walang galang sa pamamahay ng iba. Rambol pa rin. Nasayang yung halos isang araw na magandang kuwentuhan dahil mas mahaba na sa isang araw ang batuhan.
Sabi nga ng bodyguard ni Peewee Trinidad kahapon sa harap ng City Hall, “Pagkatapos mong papasukin itong mga bisita natin, ngayon tayo na ang nakikiusap para pumasok sa sariling bahay, bastusan na ito”. Nang tangkain ng may-ari na makipag-usap sa akyat-bahay gang, bababa pa lang ng kotse, binomba kaagad ng bumbero na inutusan lang naman ng bisita na sa sandaling tumuntong sa harap ng baitang yung may-ari, bombahin agad. Siyempre simula na ng batuhan at paluan.
Walang pagkakaiba dito sa blog. Iyan ang blog. Sa isang iresponsableng bisita lang, wasak lahat ang pinaghirapan ng marami. Lalo na si Ellen. Mahirap kasi kung dinidibdib ng isa yung palipad ng iba. Masyadong apektado. Daig pa ang mga bata kung umasta.
Simpleng issue ang pinag-uusapan pero maraming puntos na nailutang. Maayos ang talakayan. Hanggang sa simulan ng isang bumbero ang riot.
May magagawa ba ang maybahay? Siyempre meron. Kailangang ipagtanggol niya ang kaayusan at katinuan. At dapat igalang iyan ng mga bisita.
Ang pagkakaiba ni Ellen at ni Peewee, pwedeng pitikin ni Ellen yung bumbero.
Warrior:
Typing error–Aug.3,1944 not 1945.
Warrior;
Well,I can open my floor in discussion regarding second world war and whoever it may be they are welcome.
Papakasaya na lang ako kesa mamroblema, haha!
Share ko sa inyo. Sa’yo rin Spiney!
How does spinelesswarrior go through the forest?
He takes the psycho path.
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What’s the difference between an oral thermometer and a rectal thermometer?
Ask spinelesswarrior how they taste.
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Spinelesswarrior ordered a pizza and the clerk asked if he should cut it in six or twelve pieces. “Six please. I could never eat twelve pieces.”
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How does his brain cells die?
Alone.
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Why doesn’t he like anal sex?
He doesn’t like his brains being screwed with.
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Why did spinelesswarrior try and steal a police car?
He saw “911” on the back and thought it was a Porsche.
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Why did he take his typewriter to the doctor?
Missing a period, he thought it was pregnant.
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Why did he use Colgate on his asshole?
He saw on TV that it reduces cavities.
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What did spinelesswarrior do when his doctor told him he had sugar in his urine?
He peed on his corn flakes.
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What’s the difference between a him and a bug?
When a woman crushes a bug it doesn’t follow her around for two weeks whining.
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What did the really dumb spineless say when someone blew in his ear?
Thanks for the refill.
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How do you get spinelesswarrior’s eyes to twinkle?
Shine a torch in his ears.
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Why is it okay for him to catch cold?
He doesn’t have to worry about blowing his brains out.
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What are the worst six years in spinelesswarrior’s life?
Third Grade. And still counting.
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Why doesn’t his guts fall out of his backside when he stands?
Because the vacuum in his head keeps them in place.
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How does the doctor know spiney has a vibrator?
By the chipped tooth.
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What’s the difference between npongco and spinelesswarrior?
Duh?
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What’s above spiney’s shoes that’s under Anna’s?
Spiney.
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What did he do when he heard that TonGuE-tWisTeD was coming?
He stopped sucking.
HAHAHAHA!
Tongue,
I just came back from a horror movie “The Messengers”. Feeling horror pa ako when I was reading your jokes. Hahahah! Thanks, balanse na ang aking energy!
After away from this blog for the past 11hrs the onll item found on “English First’ policy will hurt learning” is that by hindinapinoy Says: February 3rd, 2007 at 4:21am British to Show Al Gore Movie in Schools.
But again just a copy of a document with no take on the subject at all! My immediate response is that it would be no use distibuting DVD’s on the subject of Global Warming because our schools dont have the facility to play DVD’s.
(3,386 schools) Phew! I wish eh!
I was interested to realise that as stated
“Children are the key to changing society’s long-term attitudes to the environment,” Johnson said. “Not only are they passionate about saving the planet, but children also have a big influence over their own families’ lifestyles and behavior.”
Now, if this is true for the subject of Global Warming (but children also have a big influence over their own families’ lifestyles and behavior.”) then the same must go for other subjects directly improving how we run and control this country. Perhaps teaching the children the basis of the Constitution and the rule of law is the key to soving our problems with governance, long term but positive.
Sorry about the typing errors my keyboard is clapped out!
I like this joke Tongue T: A Filipino doctor, not to be outdone, says: “You guys are way behind, we just opened the skull of a man who had no brain and filled it with pigeon crap, extended his half inch weenie with a popsicle stick, gave him a computer, and the poor fella named spinelesswarrior or something was blogging in 2 days!”
It fits the description 100 percent. Frankly, as I have stated and warned the bloggers here, there is an Internet Brigade blogging and trying hard to dominate fora for Filipinos and sympathizers, and make serious ones not in favor of the bogus president running the country like hell with her husband and her generals, relatives, cronies and friends look stupid and not credible.
I have actually been suspicious of a communication center built with funds donated to the Department of Education for buying books, etc. needed by public school children, but for some reason was coursed through the squatter in the palace by the murky river. I read that in the newspaper in 2001 soon after the power grab, but nobody seemed interested to do an investigation about it.
That Tongue T is the difference of what the media and the police here can do, and reason why I told one of the entities of this Internet Brigader the article on the Japanese war crime is not the problem of the Filipinos but the Japanese, for there are a lot many NGOs here in fact that can handle this issue that does not concern Filipinos, who should be concentrating more on the issue of the woman messing up everything, even the issue on the national language that Filipinos should be proud they already have and should learn to identify themselves with.
I have no objection to people studying another tongue not their own, but to try to make Filipinos discard their own national language for a foreign one that franky they cannot even really comprehend nor understand is absurd and unpatriotic!
Call it Japanese brainwashing, who cares? But over in Japan, people here do not even have to be proficient in English or any other foreign tongue to gain recognition and prominence, and with enough encouragement,they excell. Japan has become what it is not because Japanese inventors, etc. can speak English.
In the Philippines, a lot many students shy away because they are thought of being stupid if they cannot speak English. Another problem there is that you don’t have connections, you can go nowhere.
You bet, we were having nice exchanges until the attempt to stir the smooth sailing with an article that is out of context, and should be posted elsewhere. I did not feel offended by it because it did not concern me, but I thought such tactic should be stopped especially with the provocations following it that I thought was already hitting below the belt. Call it sissy tactic, and it was definitely revolting.
On the other hand, it was a blessing in disguise for these brigaders have exposed themselves, and we are able in fact to separate the wheats from the tares even with the way they exposed some gender identity crisis, and multiple personality disorder!!! 😛
One fairy from some Enchanted Kingdom must be the daughter likewise who blogs in all fora for Filipinos in various aliases, and being her Mom’s No. 1 apologist!
Anyway, your joke surely made my day! Salamat! Thanks also for how the siege of the Pasay City Hall was like the attempt to siege this blog by the power grabbers.
My condolence indeed to the Filipino people. At least, over here, we, the people, can still call the shot! It is one reason why I am active in many advocacies, even in keeping Japan safe and peaceful sans the lawbreakers from the Philippines!
PATALSIKIN NA, NOW NA!
Chi,
Thanks for mentioning that movie, “Messenger.” It was advertised in the movie downloading spot I am a member in but I was reluctant to do it.
Is it really good? I will download it if it is.
I finished watching Al Gore’s movie. Nakakatakot! I am in fact a supporter of an advocacy against global warming. One of my friends there actually witnessed the assassination of an environmental leader in Pangasinan who was shot to death by the military (they were not NPA) last year because he was doing a dent re the construction of a dam in Pangasinan with Japanese ODA, and the warlord/ganglord of Pangasinan (you guys know them) had to stop him. Pinaalis daw siya nang malaman haponesa siya kasi alam nilang pag ginalaw nila siya ay malaking publicity because she was in fact a journalist herself, and they don’t want that.
Tira lang ng tira, dear friend! PATALSIKIN NA, NOW NA!
Culture, it seems, can be one’s own enemy when being somehow unable to hold your own council and not reply to these bloggers is the obvious answer.
I think it was a comment from Elvera who said “If you don’t feed the bugs they will die”. What solid advice, if only we could ALL follow it.
ito pa ang isang problema. kung titser ka sa ilocos, dapat ba na marunong kang magsalita ng ilokano? kung taga bicol ang titser at napadpad sa cebu at nag-asawa ng magandang cebuana, paano kung tanungin siya ng estudyante sa salitang cebuano?
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One of the factors that compoud the problem of mutual intelligibility among Philippine languages is that there are many false friends, or false cognates, among the languages. There are many examples where a word in one language will have a vastly different meaning in another.
Legend: Ilocano (ILO), Kapampangan (PMP), Tagalog (TGL),Cebuano (CEB),Ilonggo (HIL), Waray-Waray (WRY), Pangasinense (PANG).
bukid:field (farm) (TGL), hill/mountain (CEB, WRY,& HIL).
gamot:medicine (TGL), roots of plants (CEB& WRY).
gubat:forest (TGL), battle/war(CEB).
habol: pursue (TGL),blanket (CEB),dulled (CEB).
hilo : become nauseous (TGL),poison or thread (CEB).
hipon: prawn/shrimp (TGL),shrimp paste (=bagoongCEB)).
ilog : river (TGL), quarrel over something(CEB).
irog : loved one (TGL), move over (CEB).
ibon : ‘ebun’-egg (Kp), bird (TGL).
hubad: translate (CEB), naked (TGL).
kadyot : copulate (TGL), a moment (CEB).
karon: later (HIL),now (CEB).
katok: knock a door(TGL), silly/senseless (CEB).
kayat: want (ILO), copulate (CEB).
kumot: blanket (TGL), to crumple (CEB & WRY)
laban: against/opposed to (TGL), in support of (CEB)
lagay: put (TGL), male genitals (HIL & CEB), mud (WRY)
langgam:ant (TGL), bird (CEB).
libang: do leisurely things (TGL& WRY), defecate (CEB)
libog: lust (TGL), be confused (CEB).
paa : foot (TGL), leg (CEB& HIL).
pagod: tired (TGL), burnt/scorched (CEB).
palit: change/exchange (TGL), buy (CEB).
pagong: turtle (TGL), frog (HIL).
sabot: pubic hair (HIL), to understand (CEB).
sili : chili (TGL), chili (CEB), penis (WRY).
tapak: step on (TGL), patch a hole (CEB).
tete : bridge (PMP), Mammary glands (TGL, also titi -male penis ).
tulo : drip and Syhilis (TGL), three (CEB& WRY).
usa : deer (TGL), one (CEB& WRY).
usap : talk (TGL), chew (CEB).
utong: nipple (TGL), holding one’s breath (CEB).
wala : nothing (TGL, HIL,& CEB), there is (PANG).
Zenzennai:
Sabi mo huwag nang patulan. You bet, hindi pinapatulan kundi sinasaway! Kasi nga nababastos na naman ang usapan dito!
Manang-mana doon sa mga amo nila lalo na iyong Fatso na talaga naman ipinapakita ang pagkabastos! Golly, ang tapang pa kasi pinsan nasa Cheat of Police, etc.! Pero mas bilib ako kay Cayetano kasi ang tatag! Nasa kaniya kasi ang baraha!
I don’t watch Filipino TV here. Sa America, meron din pero hindi ako interesadong manood kasi bangas ako doon sa mga pilipinong trying hard to be Amerikano! Nanonood ako ng Japanese news pero wala kang maririnig na hapon na nagsasalita ng wikang hapon na puntong kano di gaya noong immigrant na ipinapakita pa niyang mas Amerikano daw siya kesa pilipino! Sino ngayon ang brainwash, ha?
Nakita ko lang ang talakayan sa Tongress kasi nagtitinda ako ng video ng mga balita mula sa Pilipinas para sa mga customers ko. Golly, ang yabang pa ng sipsip na mga kurakot na bayaran ni Bansot na isususpende daw si Cayetano. Dapat sa mga Taguig mag-alsa kapag ginawa nila iyon!
BTW, may bago akong mga staff na nagha-handle ng negosyo kong nagbebenta ng mga Philippine and other oriental products. Kung Japan base ka, ibigay mo kay Ellen ang address mo at ipapadala ko ang catalog namin. You can order by mail at C.O.D. Ipinapadala namin by Takkyubin kung malayo ang customer. I got staff from Manila with valid visas and permits to work and stay here.
Balak kong ipadala sa States someday when I expand there para kung gusto nilang kumuha ng green card, madali na, but I am encouraging them in fact to go home to the Philippines and help it grow when the right time comes—kapag wala na ang mga buwaya!!!
Kaya pagbubutihin daw nila ang pagpro-promote ng United Opposition basta hindi kasama si Kiko at iyong iba pang mga trapo! Problema namin, ayaw nang bumoto ng mga bumoto noong 2004. Wala naman daw guaranty ke automated o hindi na hindi mandaraya si Switik LALO PA NGAYON NANDIYAN SI EBDANE! NANANG KO PO!
PATALSIKIN NA, NOW NA!
I’m impressed with your list, which is true as far the meanings are and interesting. But the doubt of your argument begins when we all know that only in the last few years people have had the transport facility, finances or interest to easily hop from one island to another. Even now many folk have never left the boundaries of their barrio having lived there all their lives and will possibly die without leaving their own barrio. So what can we say when they know no other dialect other than their own local dialect. Their thinking goes no further than the barangay Kaptain.
Maybe the larger reason for many problems were caused by regions being kept separate, on purpose by Spain, as a way to control the populace. Remember, less than 25 years ago to make a long distance telephone call out of the provinces all calls were made through Manila. Most people didn’t have their own telephone so a visit to the local PLDT office was required to ‘book’ your phone call.
With the cellular phone, the computer and improved PLDT we tend to forget and take communication for granted (smile).
Unfortunately we have the mentality that was encouraged in us by Spain because their thinking was giving the filipino the power of thought would mean that they lose control of these islands. Thats why we suffer their doctrinaire in that other countries don’t suffer, such as the ‘pecking order’ installed in us by Spain. Examine all the islands even the smallest have their ‘clan’ or ‘clans’ of families who have held local power & land for generations, this thinking was installed by Spain. No other country has this burden of ours which involves every aspect of our lives including how our children are taught.
We teach our children a flag raising ceremony which is a good thing, but american! Our schools don’t teach students about the Constitution, why? is it because its considered dangerous for them to know. One things for sure, the way that most of these politians act, they don’t know their Constitution or worse they don’t care to know it!
It stands to reason that if our children are taught about their own Constitution they can question and debate the rule of law, is that the real reason children are not taught about the Constitution, maybe its the fear that they grow up ‘knowing too much’, thats more like it (smile).
This is a good pieace:
Favorable political wind: Block voting
Rod. P. Kapunan
For the voters of the opposition to go for a mixed ticket is just what the tacticians of the political swindlers want to happen. The shortsightedness of the United Opposition (UNO) is evident in that while it tries to solidify the coalition, serious demoralization has affected the party loyalists into supporting a half-baked slate, not to mention the bitternes generated by the feeling of being left out in favor of political opportunists.
To stress a point, the PnM slate is supposed to represent the candidates of deposed President Estrada, and a vote for them would be a vote against the injustice committed on him. His popularity then and now is beyond question, with him having won by an unprecedented margin of more than 11 million, with his closest rival failing to get even half of the votes he obtained. Had Estrada opted to maintain an all-opposition ticket, he could have probably won a greater number of seats. Even if only 60 percent of those who voted for him in 1998 go for his senatorial slate, such would still be substantial for the edge. Block voting in effect is an antidote to the commission of massive electoral fraud.
That happened in the 1970 senatorial elections where only one from the ruling Nacionalista Party won because the voters solidly voted for the opposition Liberal Party, blaming President Marcos for the bombing of Plaza Miranda. The Communist Party of Jose Ma. Sison succeeded in sabotaging the administration’s campaign when the New People’s Army elements threw hand grenades at the LP miting de avanse and subsequently spreading the word it was Marcos who ordered the bombing to justify his declaration of martial law. The same voting behavior was exhibited in the 1988 election when the people, still intoxicated with their euphoria of a make-believe freedom and democracy voted, 22 out of the 24 Aquino candidates with only Estrada and Enrile winning under the Grand Alliance for Democracy (GAD) of which Francisco Tatad was one of the founders.
Yet in the 2001 and 2004 senatorial elections, Estrada’s party failed to bag the majority of the 12-man senatorial slate. In 2001, only three made it, out of a field of 11 candidates, with the 12th slot consigned to candidate Noli de Castro. Angara and Lacson belong to the LDP. The only true PnM was Loi Ejercito Estrada. The diehard followers of Estrada had to singly vote for her out of their deep sympathy for the detained President.
The crossing of party lines means that individual popularity rather than the magic of the coalition determined the chances of every candidate. The endorsement of Estrada did not do well to elect his candidates. The strategy has visibly backfired because it whittled down the block vote that was supposed to translate his 30 to 35 percent popularity rating. The followers of the opposition voted for their personal choice of candidates, and not for their sympathy for the opposition ticket. That went down the drain in the case of the Estrada popularity because the mixed senatorial lineup created confusion. The net result was that it was the political machinery that helped elect the more popular accommodated candidates, than their helping the opposition ticket.
Failing to learn from that debacle, the opposition repeated that blunder in 2004 by taking in renegades and political opportunists. They dropped the name of the PnM, and organized the KNP. As a result, only five out of 12 made it, and that was partly attributed to the popularity of Fernando Poe Jr. The five who won were Aquilino Pimentel Jr., PDP-Laban-KNP; Alfredo Lim, LP-KNP; Jinggoy Estrada, PnM-KNP; and Enrile NP-PnM-KNP. The irony is only Francisco “Kit” Tatad, a KNP coalition candidate, was listed as PnM. Tatad attributes his defeat for having his name listed separately from the KNP candidates in the Comelec’s official list that was posted in every voting precinct.
Note that the polarization of the voters was with respect to the election of President for they could only elect one candidate of their choice. The number of fans who voted for Fernando Poe Jr. was bolstered by the anti-Arroyo votes because they were determined to kick out of office the power grabber. But even then, FPJ’s candidacy was affected so much that the political swindlers were determined by all means and at all cost to commit fraud just to keep Mrs. Arroyo in power by zeroing in on the presidency.
The inclusion of Legarda, Pimentel, Angara and Herrera was more than enough to cause disillusionment. The role played by Pimentel was most prominent with many speculating his decision to jump was the result of failure to reward him the vice presidency for the role he played in the ouster of Estrada. The entrapment was successful that it cut to pieces KNP’s senatorial line and reduced FPJ’s supposed overwhelming popularity rating to make a landslide sweep all because of failure to maintain a high-degree of political purity in their lineup.
Right now, none of the accommodated candidates can truly brag about their chances of winning. Sen. Francis Pangilinan and Noynoy Aquino, both LP-Drilon wing, won under the PPC. Even if Pangilinan would be backed up by his wife, Sharon, and Aquino by his sister Kris, both would be hounded by the issues raised by those who have questioned their being accommodated. Aquino could alienate the progressive left for the massacre of the striking union members at his hacienda. Thus, the sooner the opposition assess its position, and resolves the issues confronting it, including the sensitive issue of political dynastyism, history would repeat itself unfavorably against the opposition.
Out of topic but my friend just called me up and was furious about the news on the legalization of the sales of kidneys in the Philippines that he thinks is immoral!
Talaga naman itong si Pandak, kundi p–i, kidney ang ibinebenta sa ibang bansa!
At this stage, the impoverished Filipinos are being brainwashed to think that this is right to save them from hunger just like when the Bansot and her labor secretary reason out that risking their purity, dignity and honor is OK if they want to live!
Kumakalam ang sikmura kaya anong masamang magbenta ng kidney at iba pang parte ng katawan na may pares!!! Nangkopo!
Isn’t it strange that you don’t publish an article about the evil superwoman not yet having a slate. When all the time you know the subject is about education. Even when you repeatedly say keep to the subject. Pathetic or what. You are really wasting your time, back to your straightjacket eh!
ystakei:
Another reaso why the Dept of Tourism was setting up ‘vacation hospitals’ for overseas visitors to avail. How sick can we get, when its said that we only have one doctor to each 28,493 of our own citizens. I guess we are considered collateral damage in this evil superwoman’s eyes.
typing error should be ‘reason’ – sorry
chi Says:
Hahahah! Omigosh, yellow buck teeth nga! Does she know na merong tooth whitener?! Heheh! Banig pa ang suot as you said.
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Even without seeing the picture, yellow buck teeth comes across as very unhygienic. It connotes bad breath, smoking and less use of toothbrush. Makes me wonder, what else stink and is unhygienic?
Not just bad breath but DOGS BREATH!
WWNL: You have three options: Read the article, ignore it or delete it. You chose to read it so what’s your problem? Hindi ba puwedeng off topic? Kung si Madame Y nag-off topic hindi ka kumibo. Straightjacket? At least, straight. Ikaw taga manicure lang ng mga matronang ipinagtatanggol mo. Gayjacket.
i second the suggestion of we will never learn.
talagang napaka ungas nitong si spinelesswarrior.
when he is cornered he asks his twin to help him.
nangugulo tapos di naman pala niya kaya maki pag rambol.
sinabi ko na sa kanya na tumahimik na lang siya pero parang asong ulol. may diprensiya talaga sa utak. pasalamat ka straightjacket lang. dapat diyan lobotomy.
tama ang sabi nga ni tongue. may sira sa ulo yan: Why doesn’t his guts fall out of his backside when he stands?
Because the vacuum in his head keeps them in place.
spineless warrior: you should see a doctor because you need a lobotomy.
kunyari pa raw ayaw niya kay aleng gloring but if you read his posts, walang ginawa kundi bantayan ang mga bloggers na lumalaban kay gloring.
tangina, sinungaling pa ang walanghiya pareho ni gloring.
talagang may mantika sa utak.
hoy spinelesswarrior, totoo nga ba ang sinabi ni tongue tungkol sa yo?
What did spinelesswarrior do when his doctor told him he had sugar in his urine?
He peed on his corn flakes.
Bwahahahahahahahahahah!
That’s the problem, where to find a Docteof for the straightjacket patient. because of this evil superwoman we are down to 1 Doctor to every 28,493 citizens. Now if its a kidney transplant there no problem if the money is right. Deal or No Deal.
‘Doctor’ this keyboard is ready for smokey mountain hahaha
“The Japanese will never forego Nihonggo for English, nor will the Chinese abandon Mandarin or Cantonese for the so-called global language. Neither would the Scandinavians, Germans or (mon Dieu!) the French. Why then are we so quick to ditch Filipino for English?
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Here is what is wrong with the above argument:
All of the languages cited above have histories that go back for centuries and each have strong track records of contributing to the collective intelligence of humanity.
Each of them have a broad and profound body of insightful literature from which many generations of scholarly work can be attributed to.
We must ask ourselves, is our investment in learning and propagating Tagalog warranted given how thin and insubstantial the amount of knowledge articulated in it is?
we will never learn
u don’t need a real doctor to perform lobotomy on spinelesswarrion.
all you need is a screwdriver to put a hole in his skull, then take out the tissue that’s causing him to dysfunction socially. tapos.
do you know that spinelesswarrion displays all the sympotms of a depressed psychotic?
he displays symptoms similar to those of chronical mental diseases like schizophrenia, but like all victims, spineless warrior displays bouts of illusions, and he is embarassed of them and hides them by changing his names often.
told u, he needs lobotomy.
benign0:
Thanks, I’ll buy that one.
There’s the usual but… why do we mix Tagalog and english languages when we sometimes speak. Is it because there is no other word available to describe the item or event?
benigno, you’re not alone in thinking that.
i believe this whole bs about translating science books into tagalog is a waste of the depleting resources of the education department.
how many dialects do we have, a hundred? what will happen to pupils whose native language is not tagalog.
i think there should be linguistic options.
but first things first: we must overhaul the teacher training and the learning programs. all the good teachers are going, will be gone and soon all gone.
mrs coloma, the best english teacher i had in grade 5 was one the first batches of the public elementary school teachers recruited by the u.s. to teach pupils in california to speak english.
nampuchang buhay yan!
Warrior had offer his peace to everyone.Bakit di n’yo siya mapatawad.Also,there is one person I am offering peace with and that’s Ystakei even he called me Barakayo.Bakit din ayaw niya.That’s mean wala na ba tayong pag-asang magka ayos lahat.—–Speak now or forever hold our grudge—
Not_Alone1000:
Thanks I’ll buy that one also…whaaaaahahaha!
screwdriver eh! One of his friends to hold the screwdriver and six other of his friends to turn straightjacket’s head around.
cocoy:
Be a good friend, just agree to disagree, don’t let culture take over just best to forget.
nahilo na ako. kung saan-saan na napunta ang usapan dito. hindi na kaya ng powers ko ito. buti pa magbabakasyon na lang muna. babalik na lang ako pag andito na si ms ellen to bring back order in her household.
iyan ang gustong mangyari ni spinelesswarrior.
maglayasan ang mga bloggers dito. panalo nga naman siya sa pangugulo.
kundi ba naman may mancha sa utak yan, pati ba naman si aleng ellen inaaway.
sabi ko sa yo we will never learn, kailangan diyan lobotomy.
spineless will be doing himself and the society a lot of good by accepting to be lobotomized. sasaya pa siya.
i did not say sodomized pero baka totoo yang kuwento ni tongue:
hoy spinelesswarrior, ayaw mo daw ng anal sex? dahil ayaw mo daw na ma screw yang brains mo?
sabi nin tongue: He doesn’t like his brains being screwed with.
ano, nasaan na ang screw driver ng malobotomize na si spinelesswarrior?
Not_Alone1000{
“we must overhaul the teacher training and the learning programs. all the good teachers are going, will be gone and soon all gone.”
The whole of Dep ED from top to bottom needs a programm of new training, equipment and class assistants (even) its long overdue. If you pay peanuts you end up with monkeys, That policy can be repeated for AFP, PNP, Doctors, Judiciary, even sport, we are now so far behind other countries. If we could elect a new administration who have the resolve and can stand up to all the pressure, then we stand a chance if only we can follow a plan, no matter how basic the plan. It must be better for the majority of the people not just the few.
nakakahiya ang nangyayaring ito sa talakayan. imbes na magkaunawaan, nagkakabatuhan ng kung ano anong kasiraan. nawawala ang pagiging sibilisado ng bawat isa. hindi sapat ang ipagbanduhang meron tayong mataas na pinag-aralan dahil nawawalan ito ng saysay kung hindi natin kayang tratuhin nang maayos ang ating kapwa.
wala akong pinapanigan dahil ang pang-unawa ko ay para sa lahat. bawat isang nasasangkot sa patutsadahang ito ay merong kanya kanyang panangutan. babae o lalaki. walang isa man na gustong mamagitan upang matapos ang lumalalang alitan dahil lamang sa ayaw magpatalo ng bawat isa na hinahaluan pa ng panggagatong ng biglang sumingit na sa halip gumawa ng paraan upang matuldukan ay kung ano ano pang personal na kasiraang walang batayan ang ipinagkakalat na para bang ang paniniwala niya ay makadadagdag sa kanyang napaka-artikuladong paghahayag sa inggles. napamagaling kung tutuusin. may impact pero hindi niya nababatid na isang napakalaking kabawasan sa kanyang pagkatao (hindi ko alam kung siya ay lalaki o babae) na sinisigundahan at mas lalo pang ipinagdidiinan ng tuwirang nasasangkot at laging inuungkat na para bang walang tigil na naghahamon at ayaw matapos ang gusot sa kabila ng mga sinasabing paglalahad niya ng pakikipag-ayos.
mga kasama, nasa panahon tayo na ang bawat isa ay pantay pantay sa lahat ng bagay (karapatan, paniniwala, pananaw at kakayahan) sa kabila ng alam nating totoong mas nakahihigit ang lalaki kaysa babae lalo at pisikal na lakas ang pag-uusapan. nakakalimutan ng bawat isa sa atin ang kahalagahan ng pagbibigayan dahil nangingibabaw at “fried chicken”. sa katunayan, dalawang bagay lamang ang emosyonal na paraang alam ng mga babae upang ipahayag ang kanilang pakikipagtagisan sa mga lalaki – ang magtungayaw (walang tigil na daldal) at umiyak na kung minsan ay tinatapatan ng mga lalaki ng kung hindi pisikal na pananakit ay pagninikis. nakakalimutan nating mga lalaki na tayo ay may pananagutang pangalagaan at ipagtanggol ang ating mga kababaihan kahit sabihin pang walang tigil ang kanilang pagpupumilit na patunayang kaya nilang gawin ang nagagawa natin.
isang bagay lamang ang tatapos sa gusot na ganito – let these women do all the yakking! hindi bagay sa mga lalaki ang pumatol sa pagpupumilit na mangibabaw ang kakayahan sa pagtatalak ng mga babae. at ang mga babae naman, konting pag-amin sana kung alam lumalabis na rin ang inyong pagpupumilit na patunayan ang inyong kakayahan.
at sa sinumang kinauukulan, kung maaari ay iwasan ang pagkakalat ng personal na kasiraang walang batayan.
peace to one and all!
BTW, I got my staff without going through the bullshit of the POEA or OWWA. What is important is to get them a work permit to enable them to work legally in Japan. I submitted the requirements to our Immigration. Pumasa because my company has been existing for more than a decade now and has established some kind of credibility. As a Japanese, I have the privilege and right to employ my own staff sans any Philippine government meddling. Take it or leave it ang attitude ko, because I actually do not have any business with the Philippines. My staff have the same rights, too, to choose their employers. The contract is between my company and my staff, no Philippine meddling or I get staff from Thailand and elsewhere the local government does not enslave its citizens.
In other words, I’m in a way teaching my staff to know their rights under the law they will be under the jurisdiction of. In Japan, they are under the jurisdiction of Japan. The duty of their embassy is to provide them only with assistance and their passport and similar documents. To make them feel protected, I have applied for Social Securities and Pension Plan for them, and provide them with transportation, etc. as prescribed by the law of Japan that they and myself have to abide by.
Ganyan dapat ang mga contract ng mga pilipino to be fair. In short, hindi kailangan makisawsaw ang mga burot sa gobyerno ng Pilipinas sa kinikita ng mga OFWs!
PATALSIKIN NA, NOW NA!
Magno:
I got this email from a Chinese friend in the Silicon Valley na kapitbahay ko sa San Felipe, Baja California, Mexico. Pinadalhan niya ako ng email tungkol sa kung papaano daw malalaman kung ang ibon ay lalaki o babae. May litrato ng ibon na iyong isa nakatuod lang, pero ang isa ay galaw ng galaw ang bibig na nakaharap doon sa nakatuod. Tanong? Sino ang babae sa kanila?
Nagulat ako sa sagot: Iyong nakatuod! Kasi malapit nang mangitlog!!!!
Tabi-tabi sa mga bading, baduday at sa mga tumatahak sa psycho path! 😛
Bakit ba pinagpipilitan ang ingles. Nag-aaaral na nga ang mga kano, hapon, et al ng Pilipino, gusto pang alisan ng trabaho ang mga nakakasalita na ng Pilipino for a living?
Sa France nga, ayaw mag-ingles kahit marunong e. My own experience when I went there many years ago on business and pleasure. Maraming beses ako doon to also practice my French. Tuwing may break kami sa Oxford, sumasakay ako ng ferry boat papunta sa mainland Europe. Wala pa kasing train noon linking London and Paris. Minsan nag-eeroplano ako.
Golly, mismong pulis doon ayaw mag-ingles. Kapa ako ng nalalaman ko sa French. Kaya bakit gusto ng mga pilipinong mag-ingles e iyong mga tsina namang amo nila halimbawa sa Hongkong hindi naman karamihan nakakasalita ng ingles, etc.!
At saka sinong may sabing kung magaling mag-ingles, matalino na? Stupid is as stupid does.
I present here an analysis using the volume of books published in English by the major English-speaking societies to highlight how infinitessimal the contribution of Tagalog-articulated knowledge is.
Current production of Tagalog-articulated material is about 5000 titles p.a. Compare that to more than 300,000 titles p.a. produced by the US, Canada, the UK, and Australia, and a current English-articulated knowledgebase consisting about 22 million titles in the US alone.
This illustrates the utter ridiculousness of our irrational fixation on Tagalog as a medium of instruction.
The uk education system teaches a choice of languages including French – Spanish – German – Italian – Mandarin Chinese – Portuguese – Greek etc so not restricted to english language.
There is a British Broadcasting Corp. support program for teachers and students which has been very successful. If you would like to know more :-
http://www. bbc.co.uk-BBC-languages
More than 300,000 titles p.a. published in the major English speaking nations.
Compare that to a measly 5,000 titles p.a. published in Tagalog.
By shoving Tagalog down the throats of our youth, we are pretty much imprisoning their minds in the pathetic 5,000 titles p.a. production of our “heroic” tagalog writers. 😀
Kelangan tanggapin na natin ang katotohanan.
Tagalog is a no-results language.
We don’t even have a Tagalog word for “efficiency”.
That may explain why such a concept seems to be alien to Filipinos.
😀
benign0,
hindi ba ang ibig sabihin ng “efficiency” ay “antas ng kakayahan” at/o “pagsusumikap”?
E di pantayan mo ang number? Mahirap bang gawin iyan? In fact, right now, I’m in the process of making my own Tagalog-Japanese dictionary! That will be a title, too, when it gets published.
Iyon ngang mga tula ni Magno at Alitaptap, someday, kung ma-published, magiging titles din. Ang hirap sa inyo wala kayong pagmamahal sa sariling inyo! Gotta get out of your gutters, and be great! Hindi iyong nakikisawsaw kayo sa mga kano.
Iyong ngang mga kaibigan kong British nag-aaral ng Japanese or Chinese. Bakit hindi rin sila mag-aral ng Tagalog? Sabi nga ng foster Mom ko doon, binaboy daw ng mga kano ang wika nila! Ano bang ipinagmamalaki ng mga pinoy na hanggang ngayon ay ayaw magkaroon ng sariling kanila?
The uk education system covers many languages.
French – Spanish – German – Italian – Mandarin Chinese – Portuguese – Greek etc. including english language.
The British Broadcasting Corp, has a support program which is very successful with teachers and students. If you would like to know more :- bbc.co.uk-BBC-languages
Mrivera,
“Pagsusumikap” means working harder, while “antas ng kakayahan” seems to me to mean level of capability.
Efficiency is the amount of output for every unit of input. Increased efficiency means making more out of less. That’s something Pinoys seem to be pathetically incapable of.
Despite being so rich in natural resources, we are among the planet’s most impoverished societies.
With the size and the economic growth of China the Chinese language will be important to know.
Ellen,
Ang “English First policy” ay isang halibawa ng kabobohan, kababawan at kabaliwang laganap sa ilalim ng pamahalaan ng bobo, mapagpaimababaw at baliw na si gloria arroyo.
Karamihan sa ating mga nasa ibayong dagat, sa Pilipinas pa rin gugugulin ang mga huling singhap ng buhay. Mahalagang sa muling pagbabalik-loob sa bayang kinagisnan, kakayanin pa rin nating makipagtalastasan sa mga taong papaligid sa atin. Sa ganang akin, mainam na papanatilihin ang dunong natin sa paggamit ng salitang kinamulatan.
Mahihirapan tayong unawain ang mga kaisipang nauuukol sa agham at matematika kung ang pamamaraan ng pagtuturo ay sa wikang hindi tayo gaano kasanay. May mga katagang higit na mabuting ipahayag sa wikang Ingles, gaya ng equation, metabolism, chemistry, atbp. Walang masama kung gagamitin ang mga ito sa pagtuturo. Magiging mahirap lamang kung pati ang pamamaraan ay ituturo din sa Ingles. Ito marahil ang dahilan kung bakit uminog ang taal na Tagalog at nagbigay-ganap sa wikang Filipino.
Efficiency may also mean efficacy or effectiveness. These words may find their equivalence in the Tagalog word “BISA”.
Nakikisawsaw lang po.
Benign0, not having a Filipino equivalent for ‘efficiency’ should not be a problem to teaching math in the same way as not having a direct English translation to ‘pang-ilan’ (as in pang-ilang pangulo si gloria arroyo?) does not seem to stop the teaching (and practice) of the same subject in English.
cvj, I agree. But the point I was trying to make was that language tends reflects the intellectual scope of the society that speaks it.
The fact that there is no concept of “efficiency” in Tagalog is consistent with how the Philippines performs economically — amongst the least productive workers and lowest-yield agriculture in the region.
We don’t have a tradition of developing labour-saving devices/systems to and instead rely on throwing warm bodies into just about every industry that comes our way as a solution to production targets.
ang alinmang salita ay hindi iisa lamang ang kahulugan depende sa pinaggagamitan o nais ipatalos sa babasa.
okey tama ka na ang pilipinas ay isa sa mga pinakamahirap na pamyananan sa buong sanlibutan, pero sapat na ba ito upang itulak natin sa lalong ikalulubog ang ating kinagisnan?
at papaano nga natin mapayayaman ang sariling wika kung tayo mismo ang iiwas upang gawin itong dila ng bawat talakayan?
lalo tayong maiiwan sa kangkungan!
benign0, i agree that language reflects the intellectual scope of those who possess it. in fact i’d even go further and say that it shapes a person’s worldview (see, for example, the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis) . To the extent that it helps form the filipino character, i believe that we partially owe to our language (Tagalog, Cebuano, Ilokano etc.), our successes as OFW’s and/or migrants. IMHO, i think Tagalog does not suffer from the tendency of English to objectify things and, in this way, it makes us more humane.
As to what ails our society in general or agriculture in particular, i wouldn’t attribute that to our language. Instead, i would look more into the disconnect between our elite and the rest of the people. That is precisely what can be fixed if we seriously adopted a national language which will help us build social capital. For agriculture, we do not lack positive native words like angkop, akma, kakaiba, ibayo, paraan, bisa , tamang timpla etc. to implement any improvements in our methods. I seem to remember that Gerry Geronimo’s ‘Ating Alamin’ tv show was done mostly in tagalog. If we lack certain words, we can borrow from other languages just like what the Japanese or our Malaysian neighbors have done.
upang mapalawak ang kaalaman ng tinuturuan, marahil ang sinumang magtuturo ay umisip ng paraan kung paano maipauunawa sa mga mag-aaral ang alinmang asignaturang kanilang itinuturo, agham man o matematika.
cvj, I agree with you on most points in your first paragraph except for the last sentence where you draw this conclusion: “IMHO, i think Tagalog does not suffer from the tendency of English to objectify things and, in this way, it makes us more humane”
I boldened the part that I beg to differ with. Are we truly a humane society? We are a society that routinely tolerates people living off garbage dumps and not being equal in the eyes of the law. Compare that to a Western European society where even the least of its citizens — its disabled, orphans, and poor — are treated with far more dignity and respect that most middle class Filipinos are.
As to you second paragraph, I am also for having a national language to unify our nation. But does it have to be Tagalog? Singapore adoped English as its official language which was eventually embraced by its various ethnic communities — precisely because of its very nature as a language that opened doors for its speakers.
The fact is, Tagalog — or any Philippine dialect for that matter — does not open doors for its speakers and, instead, shuts them out from a world of brilliant knowledge that is otherwise more readily available than it has ever been in humankind’s history.
(english proficiency/language factor tungkol sa industrial progress) ganda ng topic… sayang ngaun lang ako nakapasok sa ‘net(galing sa buss trip) … pero kahit huli papasok pa rin po ako… maaari po ba?
isa lang naman po ang kailangan nating tignan, wala pong bansang maunlad ang hindi nagtuturo sa basehang baitang ng kanilang sariling wika… marami na po ang pag-aaral na nagbibigay linaw na mas madaling matutunan ng mga musmos ang isang aralin kapag ito’y naituro sa wikang gamit sa loob ng bahay…
ang 1+1 ay pare-pareho ng sagot kahit saang sulok ng mundo, ang katumbas ng tan 45 degree ay 1, kahit saan.
Ang mga hapon, koreano, pranses, aleman, kapag nagtuturo ng “basic” na math ay sa wika nila…
totoo na ang english international na wika na kailangang aralin, walang duda at walang tutol. ngunit mas mainam na ang wikang Ingles ay gamitin bilang wika sa pag-aaral ng mga makabagong teknolohiya para isalin sa wikang tagalog or bisaya para sa mas lalong pagkaka unawa ng mga pilipino… ang mga hapon, koreano, pranses o aleman hindi natatawa kapag sinasalin nila ang mga araling sciences at math sa kanilang sariling wika… nakakalungkot isipin pero ang pinoy kapag nagtangkang isalin ang “plus” sa “dagdag” ay natatawa sa sarili dahil sa ating paningin ito ay “akward” pakinggan… marahil nakakatawang isalin… ngunit sinong pinagtatawanan natin? lahat ng mauunlad na bansa may kanya-kanyang tinatawag na “standard” halimbawa… kung sa amerikano ay ANSI (American National Standards Institute) ang hapon ay may JIS, ang Aleman ay may DIN ang pranses ay may AFNOR… lahat ay naka-base (basa, kopya) mula sa ANSI. ang ibang standard ay mas humigit pa sa ANSI, halimbawa DIN… lahat ng standard ay nakasulat sa kani-kanilang wika… at lahat ng nabanggit ang kanilang mga musmos ay nag-aaral ng science at math sa sariling wika.
“one plus one equals two” –> “isa dagdagan ng isa magiging dalawa”
A national language, if it is to unify the nation, must be that which is understood by most of the people. I wonder how English can unify a nation where even most of the so-called degree holders are having a hard time just following instructions to just about anything when they are written in English.
A national language should open doors? I concede that Tagalog, or any Philippine dialect for that matter, does not open doors- only because we, the speakers, do not believe it can. It does not open doors, just like Niponggo or Korean did not open doors before. These languages only started opening doors when speakers of these languages became economic powers- their citizens being highly sought after as tourists in other places where they can spend more money than locals do. Making a language open doors of opportunity is, quite figuratively, putting the horse before the cart.
As if the ability to speak the Queen’s language is an assurance of a better future, the first words most middle class parents teach their children are English words.
I have a school age son who studies in one of the Filipino schools here in the Middle East. Most of his classmates are English-speaking Filipino children. Though, I draw the line between school and home. Sa bahay, ayokong Ingles ang gagamitin niya… knowing fully well that, in time, we will all go back to our origin, ayoko namang mahirapan siyang makipag-usap sa kanyang mga pinsan at kalaro.
The moment we start asserting our pride in being Filipinos (not the “hyphenated” ones), may be then, we can start opening doors of opportunity… kahit siguro Ingles Kalabaw o Tagalog Pusa.
Ang problema kasi, pag may Pinoy na tumayo kahit saan sa mundo, Pinoy din ang unang uupak. Pag may gumamit ng Filipino sa mga talakayang tulad nito, kapwa Pinoy din ang magsasabing “Ano ba ‘yan? Sooooo baduy!”
Basta ako, me will always using Tagalog. English language are very difficulty. They making my toungue fatigue and my nose blood.
benign0, i did not claim that Filipino society was more humane. What i said was that Tagalog in so far as it does not have the tendency of English to objectify things tends to make a person more humane. Why this personal humanity does not translate into an over-all just society is a whole other story (having to do with inequality).
Comparing Filipinos living in the Philippines to the Europeans is not scientific since all factors are not equal. For one thing, the effectiveness of Western European social welfare is more a function of their wealth. Filipino charities and NGO’s do what they can, but they do just not have the same resources. A more appropriate comparison can be seen seen in the behavior of Filipinos who have been transplanted.
Opening doors to the outside world is a worthwhile objective, but as Ka Enchong said above, a more important goal is to foster better communication within our society. A homegrown one, like Pilipino makes us better able to do that since it makes us able to better express who we are as well as help us talk to each other.
In Singapore, when Lee Kuan Yew mandated English, what he got was Singlish, because during conversations, they had to directly translate their local words into English) . This has not exactly served their citizens well in their interactions with the foreign community. That’s why there Singaporeans are not exactly in demand as call-center employees. What a local told me should have been done is to teach English properly as a foreign language. So if we are interested in opening doors, we can teach English (and Mandarin) as foreign languages.
benign0 & cvj:
Good discussion, what I can say about benignO’s example of Singapore having appeared to benefit from embracing english speaking immigrants. When I first visited Singapore 40yrs ago the roads and infastructure was very poor much as ours are today. I was there only last year, the roads are in a modern, perfect condition. The taxi driver speaking perfect english told me he was an immigrant from India and proud to inform me he was now a Singaporean by right. Apparently his story is common there. As a comparison anybody from another country marrying a filipino here cannot apply for a visa, the partner that is Filipino is the applicant and every 12 months they both have to present themselves to the Immigration Dept to apply for a renewal of the visa. The fact is we don’t encourage change in this country, we just talk about change but no action. With this blinkered vision how can we hope to grow and compete with the likes of Singapore, when we treat everyone as a potential destabiliser for no apparent reason. Crazy or what.
hindi na pinoy:
nuong huling kwenta namin bilang mag-aaral, merong 108 na ethno-lingua tayong mga Pinoy.
ang India merong 600 mahigit at ang China naman, halos kasing dami din.
ang Malaysia marami din tulad ng Indonesia (na mas marami): pero sila lahat ay pinagbibigkis ng kanilang napagkasunduang Pambansang Wika.
sa argumento na komo’t maraming tayong mga ibat-ibang local na lenggwahe, mag-Inglis na lang, di ko makita ang lohika.
mungkahi ko na pagtibayin natin ang sariling wika, hindi lamang nakabase sa Tagalog, kundi matuto tayong hiramin una ang lokal, bago ang banyaga.
halimbawa: fog: hamog in TGL; pero hamog ay mas maayos gamitin kung ang ibig sabihin ay mildew. ang fog sa mga taga-Mindanaw ay dabon.
ganuon din ang ashtray, halos lahat yun na rin ang gamit maliban sa mga Maranaw na meron silang termino talaga para dito.
ang mga Japanese schoolchildren na may isa sa pinaka-mataas na antas ng kakayahan sa buong mundo pagdating sa Matematika, lokal na wika ang gamit nila pero naipapaliwanag nila ng maayos ang kahulugan ng circumference, na baka maluma ang ilan sa ating mga kabayang nag-aaral ng unang hakbang ng kolehiyo.
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Ka Enchong,
ipagpaumanhin kung hindi ako sang-ayon sa palagay ninyo na mas nakakabuti kung sa Inglis ituro ang metabolism, equation, etc.
ang Nanay na may mahigit 35 taon na karanasan magturo ng Physics sa mga mag-aaral at kapwa niya guro, at kasama siya sa iba’t-ibang evaluation team, malinaw ang resulta ng kanyang pag-aaral: mas epektibong tumatagos sa mga mag-aaral at mga guro kung lokal ng lenggwahe ang gamit imbes na Inglis.
mapapansin mo sa mga tunay na may kakayahang mag-turo, naipapaliwanag nila ang mga konseptong siyentipiko hindi lamang sa English kundi sa isang lokal na lenggwahe na rin kung saan sila nakabase.
ang obserbasyon niya: ang mga titser na na nagsasabing mahirap ituro ang Matematika at Pisika sa isang lokal na lenggwahe, mahigit sa MALAMANG, memoryado lamang nila ang kapaliwanagan pero hindi naman ito naiintindihan ! 🙂
wwnl, i agree that definitely one thing we should emulate from Singapore is in how it encourages immigrants. having worked here for three years, i see how it has benefited their society.
off topic:
yuko,
got your message. i will provide our host private details, later. more power sa iyo!
cvj:
You will notice I’m not too sure on the reasons of english or Tagalog to make such a meaningful discussion as benign0 and yourself. But what I am sure is that by comparing us with other nearby countries such as Singapore we close doors on immigrants when we should open our doors. Most will be aware that is what happened to the Chinese who sixty years ago where issued ‘Alien Cards’ made to register any change of address or employment withe the police. They were not allowed to own a business so many or most married a Filipino and put the business in her name to make it legal hence the Chinese/Filipino. The Chinese were forced to assist each other in business, open their own chinese schools etc. the rest is history. What a mistake this country made but worse they are still doing it to other nationalities!
Ka Enchong,
ipagpaumanhin kung hindi ako sang-ayon sa palagay ninyo na mas nakakabuti kung sa Inglis ituro ang metabolism, equation, etc.
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zenzennai,
Ako man, naniniwalang higit na mauunawaan ang mga kaisipang metabolism, equation, atbp. sa sariling wika. Ang ibig ko lamang sabihin, hindi na marahil kailangang hanapan pa ng salin ang mga salitang ito. Ang higit na mahalaga- at dito ay sadyang kailangan ang wikang kaunaunawa- ay ang pagtalakay sa mga pamamaraang kinasasangkutan ng mga katagang ito.
Ako man ay nabigyan ng karangalang magturo ng mga kaisipang nauukol sa pamamahala dito sa aking kinaroroonan. Sa mga pagkakataong lahat ng dumadalo ay mga Pilipino, masigasig kong inihahain ang mga kaisipan sa wika natin. Tiyak ako na higit nilang mauunawaan ang mga kaisipan. Napipilitan lang akong magsalita sa Ingles kapag may mga ibang lahi nang dumadalo sa mga pagtuturong ito.
Nakatataba ng pusong makasumpong ako ng kagaya mong buo pa rin ang sampalataya sa wika at pagkakakilanlan natin bilang mga Pilipino. Maraming salamat!
sang-ayon po na hindi lang naman tagalog o ingles ang may kakayahang magbuklod sa lahat ng mga pinoy… ilocano, kapampangan, pangasinense, tagalog, bikol (sa ibat ibang uri ng wikang bikol), waray, bisaya etc… lahat may kakayahang magbuklod kung ang titignan ay ang nagkakaisang hangaring umunlad para sa lahat…
sa usapin ng pagbubukas natin sa ibat ibang banyaga para tayo umunlad, marami-rami a po tayong mga banyagang nagtangakang tumulong sa atin para umunlad… at marami na ring mga sayantipiko, ininyero ang napaaral at naging mga dalubhasa… mangyari lang na walang tamang pagkakataong makapagsarili at magamit ang mga sarili nating talino para sa pagpapaunlad natin dahil kahit minsan hindi tayo nagkaroon ng pagkakataong gamitin ang sariling talino para sa sariling ekonomiya dahil sinasagkaan ng mga palisiyang makadayuhan ang ating pag-unlad (Parity Acts, Tydings-Mcduffee, etc)…
mararapat na repasuhin ang kasaysayan sa mga taong bago at pagkatapos ng ikalawang digmaang pandaigdig kung ano ang mga palisiya ito… mas magandang basahin ang mga aklat ni R Constantino at Agoncillo ukol mga tratadong pinasok ng bansang pilipinas.
iisa at tama ang itinuturo ng kasaysayan, pagmamahal sa sariling wika at pagtiwala sa sariling kakayahan lang ang daan para marating natin ang hangad na tunay na industrilisasyon.
soleil, para sa iyo’y muli kong liliparin itong kalawakan ng imahinasyon
upang sa harapan mo’y iaalay ang iyong ninanais kong tugon
muli kong babanghayin itong mga natatanging talata’t saknong
na maghahayag ng isang pakiusap at pagbubuklurang layon.
sa ating mga kasamang hidwaa’y namumuo
pagindapatin sanang pakinggan ninyo itong samo
sapagkat nakikita ko na kung walang sa inyo ay susuko
ang ating mithii’y parang bundok na guguho!
gaano ba kahirap kung isang tao’y may kaalit
ito ba’y magdudulot sa kanya ng katiwasayan ng isip,
o ito ba’y maipagmamalaking magiging bukang bibig
na ginapi ang sa kanya’y walang kayang manggahis?
karangalan ba kung ating ipagsigawan
itong sa ating akala’y isang malaking kasiraan
hindi ba’t sa atin babalik, sa mukha natin tatapal
kung itong akusasyon ay walang batayan?
muli kong pakiusap, muli ko ring panikluhod
sana itong hidwaan n’yo’y lagyan na ng tuldok
ito walang aanihing anumang bungang nakabubusog
kundi katulad ding umaalingasaw na adhikaing bulok!
Okay, I want to stick to the topic of the thread. My question is: Which is a better or correct English? The British or American? We can even narrow down the question to comparing between Canadian English and American English. Alin ba ang mas tama? I understand Canada follows the British English. Anyone can answer if you wish. Thanks.
wow mrivera, i am speechless! hayaan mo munang bigyan ko ng taimtim na isipan ang iyong makahulugang pagpapahayag. pagsang-ayon man ang aking nasaloobin, ay gusto ko ring magpahiwatig na lahat ng nilalang ay may hangganan din. pagpapatawad o pag-uunawa man ang kahinatnan, hindi maiwasang mag-alinlangan, kung ang paglagay ng tuldok ang siyang magiging katapusan.
kapatid mrivera, sa iyong pagpapahayag,
aking natanto iyong pahayag ay may kabuluhan.
datapuwat gustuhin mang hidwa’ay wakasan,
kung panlalait na kasuklamsuklam naman ang ipupukol ng walang katapusan,
ano naman ang patutunguhan,
di ba at tayo ay nilalang lang na nasasaktan din?
tama nga’t iisa ang ating mga hangarin,
maganda ng tapusan ng tuldok at pang-unawa,
upang magsimula ang tiwasay,
alang-alang sa bayang mahal na tunay….
Warrior:
Our friendships remain intact, I could be careless about the rest.We are UNO.Talk to you later I need to go shopping.
i can only speak for myself. but as i said,who wouldnt want to put an end to the meaningless chattering of vulgarity in this blog. we can all see where it all started from obviously. people in their right mind cannot just stand on the sidelines when the profanities are way,way below sea level and human intellect. i maybe be labelled as a gang member of the honorable ladies in this blog in the personalities of Anna and Yuko, so what!?!…there is always a story behind another story. the truth is what makes one feel secure and happy. we are here to share bec of a common belief in one way or the other for the love of our country and future and not to start a barrage of garbage banterings.
So UNO pala tayo, Ka Cocoy (he, he). Sinong mga hudas na lumipat sa kabila (Malacanang)? Unlike me who has more enemies than friends here, maraming nagmamahal naman sa iyo tulad nina Ka Rivera. Thanks for your friendship but you don’t need to sacrifice for me. Unting-unti nang lumilitaw ang katotohanan at tunay na kulay ng mga blog stars dito. Akala kasi nila sila lang ang palaging bida.
wwnl, re: the Alien Cards for the Chinese immigrants, that was very informative, thanks for that. In a way, that parallels the mistake that Malaysia made forty years ago when they expelled Singapore which was made up of mostly ethnic Chinese. An old taxi driver here in Singapore told me that the Malaysians at that time believed that since the island did not have any resources, they would not be of much use. In other words, magiging pampabigat lang sila. Of course, the Singaporeans got their act together, and as you said, the rest is history.
Fw: Tanong mo any kung ano ang tama, American or british english? Pareho lang sila, nagkakatalo lamang sila sa accent at spelling ng some words. ‘Color’, for instance is the spelling in english, but british, i think they spell it as ‘colour’, or ‘center’, then ‘centre’. Kung accent, maraming klaseng accent, dahil iba din sa New Zealand, iba sa Australia, iba rin sa Ireland, at sa iba pang lugar. I think, nagkakatalo din sa mga ilang common use of words. While american english usually refer to a ‘faucet’, british normally use ‘tap’, but they have the same meaning. SA mga naencounter kong accent, so far, New Zealand is the most difficult to understand.
‘English First’ policy will hurt learning:
Simple english cannot solve in algebra according to the political science…..
Ang sa akin lang po, UNO tayo sa darating na halalan upang ang ating bayan ay magkaisa at sa ikagaganda ng Pilipinas. Aanhin mo ang salitang banyaga kung ang bayang sinilangan ay nag durusa sa mga taong GANID,SINUNGALING, MAGNANAKAW, MANDARAYA.Minsan nga sabi ng dayuhan o banyaga “YOUR ENGLISH IS GOOD BUT YOUR PRESIDENT IS CORRUPT AND LIEYER”(nakakahiya). Kahit ano pa ang galing sa english hindi makakatulong sa ating bayan ang kailangan natin sa ating bayan ay pagkakaisa. Magkaisa tayo kung papaano itataguyod ang nag hihirap nating bayan at kung papaano maibabalik ang tiwala at respeto natin sa bawat isa, lalo na sa mga may katungkulan sa Gobyerno. UNO! UNO! UNO! UNO!
O.T.
Don’t forget that the opposition needs to win a lot of memebrs in the lower house too. Kahit majority of them wins in the senate, kailangan pa rin ng 2/3 votes sa lower house para maisulong ang impeachment sa senado.
If ever majority of the opposition wins in the house of rep. Hopefully walang bumaligtad at mag balimbing pabor sa admin.
Kabayang Mike, that’s exactly what must happen…for the opposition to control the Lower House. Kung kontrolado ng opposition ang Congress at Senate, tapos na ang laban. Look at Bush now…hindi maka-porma dahil controlled ng Democrats and US Senate and House ngayon. Arroyo is now preparing for a massive cheating and fraud again this election. She must make sure that the opposition doesn’t win most of the House Seats or else the third impeachment against her this year might succeed finally. Please take note of what’s going on these days. Arroyo suspended many local officials identified with opposition. Arroyo uses DILG under Puno who was appointed precisely for this operation until election. DILG is a very powerful department. It controls the local government and PNP. Pansinin din niyo na bago ang Comelec ban on officials’ transfers, some Comelec officials in the provinces were transferred to different places. Many PNP officials were either removed or replaced. A good example is the PNP officials in Makati. Then recently, Arroyo appointed Edane to the DND post. Why him? Why this guy who protected Garcillano? Marami pang mga milagro ang gagawin ni Arroyo bago ang election. Why do you think Chavit Singson decided to run in the Senate? Alam niyang hindi siya mananalo kung patas ang laban. He is with the administration team to add more muscle to the already well financed administration party. Gagamitin ni Singson ang kanyang pera at mga goons itong election. Wala siyang pakialam kung matalo siya basta guguluhin at titirahin niya ang opposition. Remember that Singson’s survival is to see that Arroyo remains in power.
RE: Which is a better or correct English? The British or American?
How about Taglish? I think Taglish is emerging as a common language in the Philippines. TV hostess Kris Aquino and others may have mastered the *burgis* language. Ano ang say mo kabayan?
From Wikipedia
Taglish reflects the evolution of Tagalog and the inevitable infusion of English words. Taglish may even reflect the infusion of English words borrowed from other languages, such as “kudeta” (coup d’etat). Despite existing classical words in the language, speakers habitually substitute the English word instead. For example, ‘Can you explain it to me?’ can be said in the classical Tagalog way as ‘Maaring ipaunawa mo sa akin?’ or ‘Pwedeng ipaliwanag mo sa akin?’. Instead speakers nowadays say ‘Pwedeng i-explain mo sa akin?’/[(Pwedeng i-ekspleyn mo sa akin?) Filipino 2001]. Or for example, the word magmamaneho is the Tagalog equivalent of will drive, but magda-drive/magdadrayv (Filipino 2001) is more popular.
Taglish also applies to speech wherein adjacent clauses are either English or Tagalog. The conjunctions used to connect the clauses can come from either language.
Some examples:
Magsya-shopping/magsyasyaping (Filipino 2001) ako sa mall mamaya.
I will shop at the mall later.
Na-print/naprint (Filipino 2001) mo na ba ang report?
Have you printed the report?
Mag-LRT ka papuntang school/iskul (Filipino 2001).
Use the LRT (the Manila Light Rail Transit System) in going to school.
I went to school, kaso wala pa palang pasok.
… but there weren’t any classes.
Nahihiya sila na mag-ask/same (Filipino 2001) ng favor from you, kasi/kase/k’se hindi mo na trabaho ito.
They are shy (here meaning “uncomfortable” or “uneasy”) about asking favors from you, because it is no longer your responsibility.
That’s a good one, Kabayang Diego. Ang tagal mong nawala. But seriously, I would like to know which is a better English or the correct one between the British and American styles. Ang sabi sa akin ang American English puro halo na. Mas original ang British na ginagaya din sa Canada. I have friends who moved to Canada from the US and they found it hard to adjust with the Canadian kind of English. Kaya ko po tinatanong kung ano ang mas tama.
RE: Why are Philippine schoolchildren not learning?
Economics may be one of the contributing factors why schoolchildren are not learning in poor villages. I think there a direct relationship between hunger and learning. A student with an empty stomach cannot concentrate his/her studies based on my personal experience. Our body and mind needs blood sugar to function normally. I agree that training more highly qualified English teachers may reverse the deteriorating English language proficiency in the Philippines. As the old saying: Kung ano ang itinanim,
iyon din ang aanihin.
My kids speak California English. Better or correct English does not matter as long as we can communicate and understand to each other. Ano ang say mo kabayan?
There are not many difference between Americans and Candians Spoken English. Accents and dictions and intonations maybe. Even between differents states, you can readily distinguish the accents or sound of their spoken English from one another. The same with provinces in Canada. Try talking English with a Quebecois who is primarily French speaking and you need a lot of patience to understand each other, and you can recognize a newfoundlander as soon as you hear the first word. The same thing with us Filipinos. We can speak perfect Tagalog, but each has own distinguishing accents that will readily identify the region or province of the speaker. As for correct or better English, depends on how one learned his or hers.
Thanks a lot Kabayang Vic. I think the British English is more correct. Since Canadian English came from British, then Canadian English is better than America. Sa Amerika kasi, iba’t ibang klase ang English. The Blacks speak different slang. The Texans have a different way too. Sa California, halo halo na. Since the American English originated from the British, I think it’s safe to say that the British English is better being the original source. Iba din sa Australia di ba?
British or American English? Katulad din yan nung dalawang magkamag-aral na nagtatalo kung paano bigkasin ang isang salitang English. Sabi nung una “EE-ther.” Sagot naman nung pangalawa “EYE-ther.” Walang gusto sumuko kaya isinangguni sa kanilang guro. Sabi ng guro, “Huwag na kayong magtalo, kasi EDER OF DA TOH WELL DOH.”
That’s a good one, Miron. Miron ka pa bang mga ibang jokes? Sana tumingin ka sa miron at baka miron muta ka sa mata. But seriously again, I said it’s now how one talks. I’m asking about the correct grammar. Here’s one example: Which is correct? Center or Centre? Labor or Labour? Defense or Defence? Arroyo or Macapagal? (this one is a joke of course).
I should say “It’s not how one talks”. It’s the grammar and correct spelling. Sa Canada pala puro “Hey”. Sa Pilipinas naman puro “Hoy”.
Total insanity! Undoubtedly, shouldn’t be mistaken, we are Pilipinos and not English nor Americans. As Pinoys, it’s prudent that we must recognize really who and what we are. Philippines is a sovereign nation with its own family values and cultures. Adapting English as medium of instructions is the abandonement of our heritage as we know it. Instead, the leaders should re-structure the Pilipino/Tagalog or whatever that are purely it’s ours.
It’s a grave mistake to prepare the future generation so they can compete abroad and to find a better future only the satisfy the appetites of those in power. Most Pilipinos are slaving abroad with remittances they send home which in my opinion are causing destruction to Pilipino families and cultures, corrupting many of those in power, also those who wishes just to make it through the day with little in their names. Most noticeable, majority has become lazy and the drive of each individuals for self-betterment somehow are no longer as important, in the final analysis Pilipinos has become dependant as a nation.
Insanes are running the biggest asylum!
I haven’t had time to see all the rest of the comments but there seems to be a lot that makes preservation of our heritage their primary argument for the continued use of Tagalog as our national language.
To those I say:
(1) Our heritage, unlike those of the Chinese and Japanese does not have a track record of intellectual achievement — which brings us to the argument of how Tagalog reflects this reality.
(2) The Japanese, back in the Meiji era in the 19th Century adopted Western culture wholesale and with the usual zeal that characterises them in order to modernise, yet today their original cultural heritage remains intact, robust, and is actually being embraced worldwide (e.g. the popularity of Japanese cuisine, anime/manga, zen-inspired design, architecture, and thought, etc.).
Furthermore, we are always one to call for thinking outside the square. In fact it is absolutely critical now that we do as the humungousness of the problems and challenges that face our country today require creative solutions. Yet the idea of using Tagalog as a national language is almost a hundred years old. And in those hundred years, there is no evidence that its continued use and propagation has achieved anything in the way of unity, social justice, and economic prosperity. Considering an alternaitve to Tagalog is thinking outside the square. Those who cannot even fathom it as an option seem to be the ones imprisoning the minds of an entire generation of Pinoys.
cvj, I don’t mean to trivilalise your last post, but I zeroed in on this little snippet of yours:
In Singapore, when Lee Kuan Yew mandated English, what he got was Singlish, because during conversations, they had to directly translate their local words into English) . This has not exactly served their citizens well in their interactions with the foreign community. That’s why there Singaporeans are not exactly in demand as call-center employees
I think Singapore has moved beyond a dependence on Call Centre operations as a means for employing its citizens. While there are a lot of call centre businesses run within Singapore, the actual warm bodies that man the terminals and phones are usually largely located in the cheap-labour 3rd World (China, India, and, yes, the Philippines).
And Singlish? Yes it is like Taglish. But if you hadn’t noticed yet, Taglish is catching on amongst the Pinoy population far faster than proper Tagalog (despite successions of governments’ attempts to establish Tagalog as “Pilipino”). Organic solutions are usually more stable and sustainable than artificial solutions. 😉
kitamokitako Says: February 4th, 2007 at 1:24 am
“While american english usually refer to a ‘faucet’, british normally use ‘tap’, but they have the same meaning.”
There is a reason given why the British refer to a faucet as being a tap. During the reign of Elizabeth I sailing ships in particular stored liquid in wooden barrel’s and sealing them with a ‘wooden bung – or stopper’ in a hole in the barrel. When it was time to draw off the liquid the barrel was inverted so that the ‘wooden bung’ was now at the bottom, and a faucet was hammered into the wooden bung to force it inside the barrel and now sealed by the inserted faucet. The sound made by the hammer was tap-tap-tap until the wooden bung fell inside the barrel. The sailor would be asked “have you tapped the barrel” hence the reason that the British called the faucet a ‘tap’.
During this time Sir Francis Drake, who sailed the world (thought to be the boyfriend of the Queen – nothing changes haha!) was responsible for developing a reservoir near his home town in the west of england which eventually supplied all the local residents, maybe this is why the word ‘tap’ was adopted to use with water supplies.
The housr of Sir Francis Drake is still intact in every way and open to the public. The house is less than 100 meters from the sea and pier where the Pilgrim Fathers set sail to discover America. Thats a story for another thread.
The English language maybe spoken with different dictions, different intonations and different accents, but the bottom line is, a word, however it is spoken means one and the same thing. Whether it’s British, or American, or Canadian or we might as well add Filipino, we still call it English. What’s the difference? What matters is you can communicate and convey your message across.
florry:
Your perfectly correct to say that there are different accents, in fact many, coming from such a small island as England which in land area is about the same size as the Philippines and surrounded by sea.
The English were known to be great sailors, not just coastal waters, but discovering the whole world as it was in those days. Its said that at one time England controlled 25% of the world, another reason why their lanuage is considered to be the Global Language. In fact they controlled the Philippines for two years but its not often told in our history.
The point I’m trying to make is that the English were adventurous and were not content to stay on their own small island, they set their sights well beyond the horizon.
Diego:
re: Taglish
Ako ang unang aamin na guilty (kitams?) Bunga ito palagay ko, hindi ng kaburgisan ng lokal na elitista, kundi ang kawalan ng malinaw na direksyon tungkol sa Pambansang Wika (gaya ng maraming bagay sa atin: pulitika, ekonomiya, atbp.)
Sang-ayon naman ako sa punto na HIGIT na importante na pagtuunan ng pansin ang kakayahang magkaintindihan at may komunikasyon na nangyayari, imbes sa pagtatalo kung anong aksento ang tama.
Sa mga gustong magpakaDALUBHASA sa wikang mga banyaga, iwan ko sa kanila ang argumento na iyan.
Sadya ko pangunahin, ang paglatag ng basehan ng pagkakaintindihan sa mga terminong bumabalot sa pang araw-araw ng buhay Pinoy.
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Ka Enchong:
Ang mahalaga, ay ang pagbalangkas at paghanda ng mga diksyunaryo para sa politika at ekonomiyang terminolohiya.
Kaalin-sabay ang sa terminong matematika at siyentipiko.
Ang samu’t-saring debate tungkol sa Pambansang Wika ay halos isang daan taon na ang pinagmulan, pero sa pagkakaintindi ko, wala pang masinop at mabisang mga DIKSYUNARYU na nababalangkas hanggang sa kasalukuyan.
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ptz_public window:
nitong mga huling 10 taon, ang mga tratadong binabanggit ninyo na may kiling sa negosyong nakabase sa ‘Merika ay hindi na napapakinabangan ng mga bagong salta na negosyanteng ‘Kano.
maliban sa mga agrikulturang nakabase na kumpanya tulad ng dole, del monte, atbp. na patuloy ang kanilang paglawak ng sinasakupang lupa para sa isang eksport na tunguhin, HINDI na nabibilang sa top 3 (minsan kahit top 5), ang ‘Kano bilang inbestor ng bansa.
palagay ko, ang konsentrasyong malaki ng kanilang negosyo
ay nasa larangan na ng pulitika at mga armamento. at maliban sa call centers, manipis ang kontribusyon ng direktang kalakalan sa pagitan ng 2 bansa.
kahit pagsama-samahin ang kalakalan ng 2 bansa, kakarampot lang ito kung ikumpara sa kontribusyon ng mga Pinoy expats na nakabase sa ‘Merika sa pamamagitan ng kanilang remittances.
oo, kailangan ng bisitahin at repasuhin ang mga tratadong inyong nabanggit, at pagtuunan pansin ang mga imprakstura na mapapakinabangan ng mga expats at pamilya kung sakaling magreretiro na ito sa tinubuang lupa.
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sa lahat ng interesado:
bakit hindi natin umpisahan ang pagbubuo ng online-dictionary tunggkol sa ekonomiya, pulitika, siyensya at matematika?
Sang-ayon ako Yes, Tayoy mga pinoy,hwag mahihiya kung ang ilong mo ay pango..
all the above arguments are brilliant,but let us not forget there are some areas that are not covered. Let’s go back in time..Dr Jose Rizal (the great pinoy) told us to love our native language. Yet, he is a master of at least thirty foreign languages…Why do we now limit our pursuit of education today? Is it because the hero of today is Dr Jose Pidal?
If you ask this guy fatso, Ano ang Ingles ng piso? He will surely say the dollar.
benign0, when you say that “Our heritage, unlike those of the Chinese and Japanese does not have a track record of intellectual achievement — which brings us to the argument of how Tagalog reflects this reality.“, i believe that you are:
(1) …ignoring the fact that Filipino culture is much younger than these two civilizations. We starting becoming a nation around the time of Jose Rizal. Looking back at those hundred odd years, I don’t think our achievements as a people since then have paled in comparison with the Chinese and/or Japanese; and
(2) …making an attribution error when you blame any lack of achievement on Tagalog. Your example of the Japanese back in the Meiji era is a case in point. They did not adopt Western culture wholesale, and they are not exactly known for their fluency in English. They took what they think was good from Western Culture and made it their own.
On my citing ‘Singlish’ unsuitability for Call Center operations, i did not imply that Singaporeans needed Call Centers jobs. I made that point to show that Lee Kuan Yew’s mandating English as the national language has not been the key to their opening doors as it has only resulted in a hybrid variant that is uniquely Singaporean. (For the keys to Singapore’s success, you have to look at their economic policies which complemented their geographic location as well as the over-all quality of their civil service and justice system plus the fact that they did not have the baggage of feudal or semi-feudal relations to begin with.)
Now, acknowledging that we need English proficiency to compete in the Call Center market, the proper way to go about it is to open up Tech/Voc schools that specialize in training American English and/or British English as the case may be. Same approach needed if we want to achieve proficiency in Japanese to enter the overseas call center market over there (which is so far being dominated by Manchuria).
As for Taglish, just like you, okey lang sa akin iyon. Hindi naman ako purist when it comes to these matters. The key point as made by Luz’ article which is the basis of this thread, is for our educators to be able to translate our math and science teaching into the vernacular so that appreciation and understanding of these subjects can spread. If it has to adopt elements of Taglish to accommodate the language abilities of the greater majority, so be it.
JM: Ang “English First policy” ay isang halibawa ng kabobohan, kababawan at kabaliwang laganap sa ilalim ng pamahalaan ng bobo, mapagpaimababaw at baliw na si gloria arroyo.
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Sinabi mo pa. Ang dapat sa mga pilipino ay mahalin ang kanilang wika para sa kanilang identity. Hindi iyong gustong maging kano, hindi naman puede.
I taught Pilipino for 10 years in a Japanese national university, and each year we get no less than 30 students majoring in Pilipino. Ang problema nga lang, only 10% learn to speak it right lalo na kung naumpisahan ng isang titser na kapareho nilang barok ding magsalita.
I majored in History and Linguistics, but I did not have any formal college education in Pilipino except for the Balarila in grade school. Nahirapan ako, but it was OK because I had the opportunity to try to purify my Pilipino as we spoke Taglish in Manila and the US after my family migrated there.
My English, I perfected when I studied in England, the place of origin of the English language, not the US as many ignoramuses in the Philippines think and believe!!! 😛
Oops, past tense na nga pala, so this should read, “and each year we USED TO get no less than 30 students majoring in Pilipino.
Apoy: If you ask this guy fatso, Ano ang Ingles ng piso? He will surely say the dollar.
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Nope, he will say “pisu” instead of “peso”! Why? Kasi Bisaya siya! 😛
Sinong may sabing walang equivalent word ng “efficiency” sa Tagalog? Ang baduy naman! O, inglisin nga ang salitang ito “kagalingan o kahusayan ng paggawa” na galing sa salitang “husay” at “galing.”
Puede ba tigilan na ang pagpapanggap ng mga kano ang mga pilipino e pinoy na pinoy naman. Bakit kailangang intindihin kung maiintindihan ng mga mga kano o hindi. E di sila ang mag-aral ng pilipino. Iyon ngang mga diplomat nila dito nag-aaral ng Japanese.
CVJ,
This Benigno is talking nonsense. In the first place, what does be know of the Meiji era, when foreigners were not even allowed to roam the country as freely as they can now?
Japan has never adopted English as a national language. The Nihongo we speak over here is in fact the language of this part of Japan that has been decided to be adopted as the national language to be taught in all schools since its adoption. For practical reason, those who want to master English is allowed to do so, but the basics are taught in jr. and sr. high schools. Otherwise, it is considered as a foreign language. Over in Northern and Southern Japan, they speak a totally different tongue, but ALL Japanese can speak the national language we call “Hyojungo” or commonly known to foreigners as Nihongo or Nippongo. I, for one, cannot understand the language of the people in Aomori Prefecture, etc. as they speak with a different accent. I can only understand them when they speak in the national language and/or write in Japanese.
Their language is their identity. Bakit hindi iyan maintindihan ng mga gunggong? Kung sabagay, sinabi na ngang gunggong, baka mahirap ngang umintindi! 😛
Ystak
Bakit kailangang intindihin kung maiintindihan ng mga kano o hindi?
I have to…My job calls for it..My boss is an american.There are also americans under me..If I am mad, they need to understand I am mad..It’s not that easy as you think when all the shouting comes in English.. Hindi ako nagpapanggap na kano,Pilipino ako, pango ang ilong..But I am not limited to ‘yes sir, no sir’ in an argument.. Knowing how to speak English is not enough..It also requires techniques to convey and relate your feelings.That is very hard to do when confronting white people.
“Looking back at those hundred odd years, I don’t think our achievements as a people since then have paled in comparison with the Chinese and/or Japanese”
Really? Could you cite some examples of what we achieved as a people in the last 100-odd years and compare that to what the Japanese, Koreans, and the Chinese had achieved within that same period?
“They took what they think was good from Western Culture and made it their own”
Precisely my point. Bringing the discussion back to the Pinoy setting, have we so far shown any evidence of an ability to to assimilate learnings from Western culture and apply it to ours? Take democracy — probably the single biggest Western concept that we’ve applied into our society. All we’ve done with it is pervert the concept, just like we’ve perverted the GI Jeep into the King of the Road and the concept of “Merry Christmas” into a veiled request for dole outs.
“For the keys to Singapore’s success, you have to look at their economic policies which complemented their geographic location as well as the over-all quality of their civil service and justice system plus the fact that they did not have the baggage of feudal or semi-feudal relations to begin with”
You forget to mention though that Singapore was bourne out of far more challenging circumstances. They seceded from the Malay Federation, was under constant military threat from its neighbours, had no natural resources, was beset by internal ethnic conflict, were dependent on the Malay pensinsula for 80% of its water supply, and was being left high and dry by the British Empire.
All the while the Philippines in the late 40’s and early 50’s was the Golden Boy of US Imperialism. It was voted most likely to succeed in the region (compared impoverished and soon-to-be at-war Korea, newly-nuked and US-occupied Japan, etc.). We had the abundant natural resources, a population of only 20-odd million to feast on these resources, the highest literacy rate in the region, the most educated workforce, and host to the largest US naval base in the region (thereby sitting pretty under the mightiest military umbrella in the planet).
Take a look at us today, and our ex-basket-case neighbours (Taiwan, Korea, Singapore, China, Thailand, and Vietnam). Take a good look and weep. 😀
hasain man nang hasain upang tumalim ang dila sa pagsasalita ng alinmang wikang banyaga, hindi mababago ang pagiging pinoy natin. mas makabubuti kung itong mga mambubutas natin ay umisip ng mga panukalang magpapayaman ng ating sariling kultura. ituro ng mga guro ang tamang paraan upang maunawaan ng mag-aaral ang dapat matutunan at ang pamahalaan naman ay paglaanan ng sapat na pondo ang edukasyon upang maiangat ang antas nito at huwag sanang unahin ang kanikanilang mga account sa banko na ‘yung iba, tinatago pa.
benign0, when you say that i forgot to mention that “Singapore was bourne out of far more challenging circumstances“, i think you missed out what i said to wwnl above (at February 4, 1:17am) where I said pretty much the same thing.
In response to your question on “what we achieved as a people in the last 100-odd years and compare that to what the Japanese, Koreans, and the Chinese“…On the political front, we were among the first to seek independence from the colonial powers. Our people fought valiantly (in the battlefield, on the streets and in the legislature) in the face of imperialist aggression (whether the American or the Japanese kind). As a result, we have already built-up a pantheon of heroes.
Our method of peaceful mass action (aka People Power) provided the template for similar events in Tiananmen, Eastern Europe and the former Soviet States. The significance of this political innovation cannot be ignored. As one book (the title of which skips my mind right now) says, when you think of Asian Values, the most significant event that comes to mind is not the neo-Confucianism espoused by Lee Kuan Yew, but rather, the People Power event of 1986.
You keep mentioning that democracy is something that has been imposed from outside while ignoring the reality that the spirit of resistance, which is the foundry of democracy, has been alive and well throughout as our recorded history. The current struggle against Gloria Arroyo is no different. We neither have the will nor the disposition to become wannabee Confucians.
On the economic front, the achievements of our people are largely in the sphere of immaterial labor whether knowledge or talent based. Whether in the field of medicine, IT, architecture, entertainment and care-giving, Filipino labor has been much sought after.
The successes of Korea, Singapore, Japan and China neither gives me cause for envy nor regret, because i am fully aware of what our people are capable of, in part because i am one of them. I look to these countries for inspiration, and will leave the weeping to those who have lost hope.
cvj, makabagbag damdaming paglalahad kasama na ang matapat na pag-amin sa ating kakulangang nag-uugat sa kawalan ng interes ng mga kinauukulan upang itaguyod ang likas na talino ng ating mga henyo na ang nakikinabang tuloy, ang dayuhang namumuhunan.
dangan kasi, ang nangingibabaw sa ating mga pinuno ay takaw sa salapi at kapangyarihan kaya ang usad ng ating bansa ay patagilid na paurong.
Mrivera, tunay na nakakadismaya ang kawalan ng interes ng mga kinauukulan sa pagsulong ng likas na talino ng ating kapwa Pilipino. Kung ito sana ang pag-ukulan nila ng pansin, mas mapapadali ang pag-ahon ng karamihan sa kahirapan. Dala na din siguro ito ng kakulangan ng tiwala ng mga kasalukuyang namumuno sa likas na kakayahan ng masang Pilipino.
cvj, note the “achievements” you have cited:
– “first to seek independence”
– “fought valiantly”
– “built up a pantheon of heroes”
– developed a “method of peaceful mass action”
That’s really nice. But they all still beg the question:
Where are the results?
Working hard does not necessarily translate to results. Pushing against a brick wall is hard work. But unless said brick wall succumbs, the effort goes to waste.
Remember the concept of efficiency. Efficiency has two parts to its equation, input and output. Even if you provide a tremendous amount of input and the output is only a squeak, then you would only have wasted said input.
Despite so many heroes, “mass actions”, and dead bodies, nothing in the way of progress has been achieved in Pinoy society. Ninoy, for instance, would have been more useful to Pinoy society alive than dead. All we get out of all that was a statue in Makati.
As to that other example of “achievement” you cited:
“On the economic front, the achievements of our people are largely in the sphere of immaterial labor whether knowledge or talent based. Whether in the field of medicine, IT, architecture, entertainment and care-giving, Filipino labor has been much sought after. ”
First of all I note your use of the qualifier “immaterial” when you described Pinoy labour. What kind of other labour is there?
I do not dispute that Pinoy labour is “much sought after”. Though I think it is much sought after because it is cheap.
Furthermore it is quite pathetic that our economy has not moved beyond labour-added-value as a major source of value added to our economy. There is a whole world of difference between supplying labour and employing labour productively.
Whilst we are good at supplying warm bodies to the world’s industries, we are utterly hopeless at creating, developing, and building the industries and asset base to employ our own people.
You also said:
“i am fully aware of what our people are capable of…”
Exhibiting capability is different from delivering results.
And furthermore you say:
“…in part because i am one of them”
And so am I, dude. But do you really think that people like you and I are truly representative of the Filipino people? Just because there are a handfull of brilliant individuals does not necessarily mean that the society to which said individuals belong to is collectively brilliant.
Walk the streets of Tokyo and you will see quite a number of homeless bums. But to draw the conclusion that the Japanese are a bunch of lazy winos just because of a few homeless individuals is a fallacy.
Don’t presume to know the Pinoy masses, simply because you yourself are Pinoy. 😉
Apoy:
Me, I say it in Japanese when I am angry at a Japanese like when I am angry at my husband. What’s the use of saying it in English when his English is limited to the basic. Sasabihin lang niya sa akin, “anong pinagsasabi mo?” Mas matindi ang dating if I say it in his native tongue just like when you say, “Tangna mo”” to a Filipino and he understands what it well.
No effect iyong “F–k you” sa totoo lang in the same way that I could not feel the gravity of profanity of the word “Bloody” when uttered by a Briton that my foster Mom there would slap her children when she heard them say it!
I have nothing against English but to discard “Pilipino” for it is for me stupid. Why, it is what makes the Filipino to be identified as another nation and state!!!
Over in Japan, foreign executives of companies here are mostly Japanese speakers. They have been assigned here in the first place because of their Japanese language proficiency. Kaya nga marami kaming mga kano, etc. sa simbahan namin as a lot many of them served in Japan during their youth as missionaries. Bakit hindi iyan magaya ng mga pilipino?
In short, I don’t buy the argument that if you cannot speak or write English well, you are stupid! I bet you, mga kano ang nagturo ng mga ganyang gunggong na reasoning sa mga pilipino as when they impose their own kind of English on the natives of England who speak the elite and working class English!
CVJ: The successes of Korea, Singapore, Japan and China neither gives me cause for envy nor regret, because i am fully aware of what our people are capable of, in part because i am one of them. I look to these countries for inspiration, and will leave the weeping to those who have lost hope.
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That’s the attitude! It’s the main reason why a lot many of us are here to stay despite the attempts of the Glueria Brigade to have us out of here! You bet, we are not giving up on the Filipinos! All the more reason why we should push for them to be proud of their Filipino identity even by a language they can call their own, not one copied from the US of A.
Singapore should not be used as these promoters of English do as their point of contention. Unlike the Philippines, it is made up of people of various origins such as Chinese, Malays, Indians, etc. and even British. The Philippines is made up of ethnic groups belonging to the same stock, and they are now lumped up as Filipinos as different from the Chinese residents, for example, who make up the minority. At least, the ethnic languages of the Filipinos are not as diverse as the language of the Chinese, Indians and Malays in Singapore, and can be assimilated in fact in the Pilipino that has been adopted to be their national language.
Lee Kuan Yew, got a British education, was just being wise to impose English as the national language of the people who had inhabited Singapore so they can understand one another. Tagalog on the other hand is easier to learn as far as Filipinos are concerned than when they try to speak English like a native that amazingly not many Filipinos in fact can speak good enough unless they are exposed to many native English speakers!
The best thing we could do as expats is impart on our relatives and friends back home — and our kids as well — what we have learned working and living in the advanced societies we live in.
Our politicians merely reflect the people they govern. As our elections get more fair and honest, the reflection gets more accurate. We have to admit it. The quality of governance Pinoys get merely reflect their choices during elections.
We who have been exposed to the excellent ways of doing things in the West and East Asia need to impart this on our society. Political solutions have pretty much yielded ZERO RESULTS. It’s time we look at the very character of our people and society:
Replace “pwede na” with “excellence”.
Replace “mamaya na” with “right now!”
Replace personality politics with platform/issues-based politics.
Replace no-results Tagalog with world-class English-based instruction. Replace victim mentality with self reliance.
Replace hollow-headed jocularity with serious evaluation and critical thought.
Replace fiesta-mentality with frugality and simplicity.
Replace lamon-mentality with moderation.
We need a radical overhaul of our cultural and philosophical foundations in order to develop a character that is able to hold our leaders and ourselves to account and focus on results rather than ocho-ocho contests.
Finally, sanity restored. I just got the feeling Ellen IS back.
There’s no need to debate which language is superior to another. It is of no importance in making effective communication.
What is important is that the message was understood exactly HOW the sender wanted it to be understood, right?
If a Brit would say that “a bobby is driving a lorry”, I’m sure 90% of Pinoy high school students won’t know what it actually means. Compared to “wer r u n? D2 n me.” maybe 100% of the same students would comprehend it as if it were native tongue.
benign0, i agree that the results of our struggles leave much to be desired, but you cannot blame the Filipino people for the repeated betrayals that they have experienced from their leaders. Such is our luck, and we have no choice but to fight on. The only consolation is that this struggle is part and parcel of building our character as a people. Notwithstanding the setbacks, we owe to our heroes, past mass actions and dead bodies the enlightenment and love of country that we now feel. They have left us something to build upon.
I use the qualifier immaterial to distinguish from earlier types of industrial and agricultural labor. It is the type of labor that dominates postmodern society. As Hardt and Negri (in their book ‘Multitude) define it:
“…one can conceive immaterial labor in two principal forms. The first form refers to labor that is primarily intellectual or linguistic, such as problem solving, symbolic and analytical tasks, and linguistic expressions. This kind of immaterial labor produces ideas, symbols, codes, texts, linguistic figures, images, and other such products…”
Our IT practitioners (including me), architects, accountants, engineers belong to this category. To continue…
“…We call the other principal form of immaterial labor ‘affective labor’. Unlike emotions, which are mental phenomena, affects refer equally to body and mind…Affective labor, then is labor that produces of manipulates affects such as a feeling of ease, well-being, satisfaction, excitement, or passion…”
Our nurses, caregivers, maids and entertainers fall under this category.
And yes, we are comparatively cheap, but that is not our only advantage. We also have a knack for providing value that is distinctly Filipino. In the realm of immaterial labor, you have to.
Unless I’m in the mood to get beaten up, as a rule of thumb, i don’t walk around considering myself more brilliant than the rest. Realistically speaking, I’d say I’m luckier and maybe above average in some aspects. ‘Above average’ means there are tens of millions more Filipinos like me, who because of their circumstances back home, are not able to develop to their full potential. That they are not given the voice nor the opportunity, to me, is appalling.
As to the advise i could give as an expat…I have worked with Americans, Brits, the French, Aussies, Kiwis, Indians, Hongkies, Singaporeans, Malaysians…and what i am happy to inform those at home is that they have the same bodily functions as you and me. Like us, they have their good and bad side. One special faculty we have though, which i value is our ability to combine, in your words, hollow-headed jocularity with serious evaluation and critical thought. As a people, I hope we do not lose that ability as it has come in handy during critical situations.
cvj, as Han Solo once quipped: “In my experience, there’s no such thing as luck”.
To blame the inability of our society to progess on “the repeated betrayals that they have experienced from their leaders” is pandering to that pathetic victim mentality that grips our society. The fact that there is a vibrant Philippine middle class and a productive capitalist class, most of whom grew up and made their fortunes in the midst of appallingly crooked governance shows that one cannot forever use treacherous leaders as an excuse to fail.
Many Pinoy Chinese started out as 3rd class immigrant citizens who could barely speak English or Tagalog and were subject to the ridicule of the more established islanders of Indo-Malay descent. They used to take the most menial jobs and sold taho, hopia, and balut for a living. Where are they now? They now all own the taho, hopia, and balut factories.
Thanks for the clarification on the concept of “immaterial” labour. However, regardless of how high or low in the hierarchy of materiality of Pinoy labour, the fact remains that our society is pathetically reliant on the capital of foreign societies to employ our own people. Even our own pineapples are harvested, canned, and branded by a foreign multinational.
Unfortunately I do not see you or myself as “lucky”. We are merely the culmination of the hardwork of our ancestors and, hopefully, continuing to build upon the capital of this hardwork by working hard and smart ourselves so that our own offspring will benefit and pass on this capital to the next. Let’s not be-little what our parents, grandparents, and great-grandparents achieved by considering ourselves “lucky”.
I’ve met janitors and taxi drivers who lived in squatter areas who managed to put their kids through college. Imagine if you were such a poor parent who successfully raised a brood of college-grads, only to overhear them in a conversation telling their friends that their degree was nothing more than a product of luck.
As to our supposed ability to combine jocularity with critical thought, I beg to differ. I have not seen any evidence of any careful and critical thought being applied in any approach to build the nation. A people who would delight in the dancing and singing of campaigning politicians could hardly be considered to be critical thinkers. The fact that there is so much information, discussion, and debate about the comings and goings and shifting loyalties of politicians across political parties and hardly any information about what these parties actually stand for reveals what elections are all about to most Pinoys — nothing more than just another show to gawk at.
Benigno & CVJ:
Are you two brothers? I am just wondering because you both has the same rhythm in writing.
benign0, much as i look up to Han Solo, i believe he has become a victim of the narrative fallacy which, according to Nassim Nicholas Taleb, is “the pattern-seeking, causality producing machine in us [that] blinds us with illusions of order.” Randomness plays a large, if not crucial, role in our world, and every contingency helps set us down the road we take for the rest of our lives. It is human vanity to think otherwise. (Of course, this does not mean that we should rely purely on luck.)
The first such random event, as far as we are concerned, is our birth. In Philippine Society, a lot depends on the family we are born into. So if you are a soul destined to be born Filipino, there is a greater than 50% chance that you will be born poor. It is the role of our society to at least even up the odds a little, to give our people a fighting chance to develop their full capabilities.
While I also have low tolerance for those who adopt a victim mentality (the kind that Erap panders to), i don’t take it too much against them because, when it comes down to it, they really *are* victims of an unjust system. Our task is to help undo some of this injustice, and that does *not* begin by taking away their voice.
I do not want to detract from the well deserved achievements of the Pinoy Chinese, as well as the contributions of the pineapple magnates, but they have to also acknowledge that they have built their fortunes with the help of Filipino labor. If as you say, labor needs capital, all the more does capital need labor, both in the sense of being a productive force and as consumers of the final product.
As for critical thinking, i won’t get too hung up on those song and dance numbers. Just because Filipinos know how to have fun does not mean that we are unable to get down to business. The entertainment is there to be enjoyed, but a lot of thinking also goes on at the same time. You can see that even in this blog, we have a healthy mix of prose and poetry. This is a sampler of the type of conversations that take place in the outside world back home. In this age of immaterial labor, it is best to encourage such conversations for it expresses who we are.
Tongue T: There’s no need to debate which language is superior to another. It is of no importance in making effective communication.
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Sinabi mo pa Tongue T especially when the problem is not even the language but the bogus president who pimps Filipinos overseas so she can keep herself in undeserving comfort and style. Ang saya niya!
cvj, benign0, ang mga katulad ninyo ang kailangan upang maalalayan ang ating mga kababayan. maganda ang inyong mga punto. kailangan lamang ng mga ating manggagawa ng magpapaunawa sa kanila ng kahalagahan ng pagsisikap at katapatan sa anumang larangang kanilang nais pasukan at palautan.
katulad ko rin, na ang puhunan lamang ay lakas ng loob sa pagtulak papunta dito sa saudi arabia mahigit sampung taon na ang nakalilipas, kalaunan ay pinagpursigihan kong madagdagan ang dating konting nalalaman upang kahit paano ay gumaan ang trabaho at hindi iyong habang panahong ilalagi dito ay sa initan at trabahong kalabaw.
kailangang ipakita ang pagmamahal sa trabaho, pag-e-enjoy sa ginagawa at pagsisinop sa kinikita. marami dito ang nakikita kong todo pasa sa paggastos at animo’y wala nang haharapin pang bukas. ganito rin ako noon, na kahit alam ng bawal ang anumang bisyo ay kinalulungan na siyang dahilan ng pagdurusa ng mga umaasa sa akin sa pilipinas,ang aking pamilya.
mahalagang mamulat at talikuran kung anuman ang masamang pinagdaanan. itama ang kamalian, sikaping magpakatatag sa harap ng anumang tuksong muling nag-aanyaya ng panibagong pagkasadlak.
Mrivera, salamat sa inyong payo at sana ito ay pakinggan ng ating kapwa OFW.
Yuko,
How can you translate the expletive “Bloody ‘ell!”
“Dinuguang impyerno”?
The kids have learned to say “Sugar!” instead of the 4 letter word beginning with S. Otherwise, they get fined by daddy coz I can’t fine them knowing fully well, I pretty much say the expletives that come out of my head (although beyond – normally – their hearing distance.
The only Pinoy words they know are my favorite Pinoy cuss words. Heh! Ain’t bad for beginners.
But here’s a true, very good story.
A French friend of mine was assigned to Pinas to do work for Total (Petrol co.)
We had the usual bit of cocktail parties for this very close friend.
He said to me that he wanted to impress the ladies there and asked me what he should say by way of “How do you do?”
I told him poker faced to say, “Makaki ang t… ko!” sabay ng kissing of the hand.
He did just that but later on when he kept saying this, a Pinoy collegue told him that someone made fun of him and told him the meaning of what he had been proudly saying by way of “How do you do?”
My friend called me up one day “livid” with anger but thankful just the same that he wasn’t killed – anyway, to cut a story short, he eventually married the girl he had first said that to.
Story with a happy ending all thanks to Pilipino! Hah!
Ooops, wrong spelling: “MALAKI ang t… ko!”
Hahahahahaha! Reminds me of the time I tried to say “Bloody Hell!,” and my foster Mom gave me the kind of murderous look she would give her boys, actually adopted kids because she could not have a baby. Sad thing, though, that they have parted ways some ten years ago. My foster Dad still write me, though. He has since remarried to a Spanish au pair!
“Bloody hell,” literally translated to Tagalog will be “madugong impiyerno!” Gosh, it’s 3 a.m. Gotta slip into my futon. Oyasumi!
It is not necessary for any person to speak fluent English to convey the message and paint them as vividly as any picture with splashes of character and dialogue. English has so many words that has the same meaning and that’s the beauty of it. Californian speaks different English with different races. Latino-English, Chinese-English, Korean-English, Japanese-English, Filipino-English, Ghetto English, Caucasian-English and so on, It doesn’t matter if it is a carabao English as long as they can comprehend and converse. At work they only talk in simple English, Any English will do as long as they understand, People don’t have time to dig the dictionary a words you said, make it simple because you are not writing a novel. Don’t use a long paragraph and a thousand words if you only want to emphasis a simple meaning on the subject.
This is the problem with us Filipino, we want to flatter ourselves with deep diction and instead of using a simple word, we still want our listeners to dig the dictionary to find the meaning of a single word that came from our mouth. English my friend is only our borrowed language, don’t vague too much in our tongue, for sure, no one understand, then we have a communication gap, because we want to impress too much how to speak this language.–Actually, I don’t understand what you have just said.—Ha!ha!ha!ha1
cvj, re: “If as you say, labor needs capital, all the more does capital need labor, both in the sense of being a productive force and as consumers of the final product”
I agree with all that. The problem is if the labour in question is low-added-value labour (i.e. assembly, toll manufacturing, scripted helpdesk, etc.) the sourcing of said work is easily shifted from one place to another. Compare this to a hi-end manufacturing operation where a firm is heavily invested in the recruitment and training of high-calibre highly-skilled workers who are not readily replaceable and provide not only manual labour input into the final product.
Low-skilled assembly operations are an ok starting point for a country’s industrialisation efforts. The problem with the Philippines is that 30 to 40 years down the track after the first “export processing zones” were built back in the 70’s and 60’s, Philippine labour is still engaged in low-added-value manufacturing. Compare that to Japan, Korea, Hong Kong, Taiwan, and Singapore who, themselves also started out as manufacturers of cheap low-quality products but are now world-renowned for producers of high-quality precision-manufactured products.
As an example, Pinoys furniture used to be world renowned for its quality and sought after by furniture retailers and importers in Europe and North America. Now we are rapidly losing out (if our failure isn’t complete yet) to China, Vietnam and Indonesia, simply because we haven’t gone a step up in the hierarchy of added-value. Furthermore, our unreliability in terms of delivering to commitments and quality assurance is legendary. We are among the most inept supply chain managers in the industry.
That is why low-wage countries like Vietnam and China routinely kick Pinoy arse when it comes to high-volume manufacturing. They are able to do it cheaply, reliably, and to a consistent quality.
Re: “Just because Filipinos know how to have fun does not mean that we are unable to get down to business. The entertainment is there to be enjoyed, but a lot of thinking also goes on at the same time. You can see that even in this blog, we have a healthy mix of prose and poetry. This is a sampler of the type of conversations that take place in the outside world back home. In this age of immaterial labor, it is best to encourage such conversations for it expresses who we are”
Again, don’t be quick to assume that people who participate in this blog are representative of the bigger society. Obviously people who have access to the internet to a degree that affords this sort of lengthy discussion constitute an infinitessimal elite. If there is a thinking class, it may be evident in blogs and discussion forums like these, but it is a no-brainer observation that this thinking is routinely swamped by the low-substance chatter of political intrigue that prevails.
So if you are looking for a kind of democratised brilliance in the Filipino, I wouldn’t hold my breath. 😉 “Filipino Ingenuity” is nothing more than a hollow concept designed to prop up the equally insubstantiable “Proud to be Pinoy” mantra.
“Furthermore, our unreliability in terms of delivering to commitments and quality assurance is legendary. We are among the most inept supply chain managers in the industry.”
Oh that I can very well agree with!
benign0, your observations are well taken, and your advice on the need to improve quality and upgrade labor skill sets should be heeded. However, i think you’re blaming the wrong sector. These deficiencies can be attributed to our entrepreneurs, managers, political leaders and educators and is a reflection of how our leadership has short-changed the majority. (That, of course, also includes the Pinoy Chinese businessmen that you have highly praised above.) On the other hand, the individual Filipino worker, once he goes outside and is freed from the local business culture, usually shines at work. It is our elite who collectively cannot get their act together so it is pointless to blame the Filipino laborer in general for this point.
Unlike you, i don’t think discussions about political personalities are low substance. I do not subscribe to the dichotomy between issues and personalities because the two cannot help but interact with each other, either in a complementary or contradictory manner.
Re: democratized brilliance, I do not believe that the Filipino is inherently inferior (or superior) than our foreign counterparts. What i do believe is that Philippine society is not a meritocracy. It follows then that brilliance, stupidity and everything that comes in between is evenly represented among our social classes. That means that there is a lot of brilliance that lies untapped because of the inequality that prevails. The key to unlocking this is not by retreating into a cocoon of elitism that you have constantly advocated. On the contrary, we have to make our democracy more genuine so that the dormant sectors of our society can pitch in and solve our problems. Only then can we set a course to sustained development.
cvj, mas mabuti siguro kung umpisahan ni benign0 ang naiisip niyang makabuluhang solusyon upang maiangat ang kalidad ng kaalaman ng ating mga manggagawa.
dapat din natin isaalang alang na walang mangyayari kung walang mag-uumpisa o magkukusa. kailangang gawing katotohanan ang bawat maisip na kapakipakinabang para sa mga kinauukulan sapagkat ang anumang nasusulat o namamahay sa utak ng sinuman ay hindi magiging epektibo kung hindi isasagawa ng may katawan upang maging halimbawang tutularan.
Mrivera, si Benign0 ay mayroong website (getreal philippines) kung saan nakalathala ang mga mungkahi niya. Bukod dito mayroon rin siyang isinulat na libro na nagsusuri sa mga problema ng bayan at ang kaniyang mga naiisip na kalutasan.
Benign0, would you mind posting the details of the above as well as any other collateral/forums that may be of interest?
CvJ:
Don’t brag to much about your brother Benigno of having a website, anyone can have that access in the internet, just registered and click the mouse. By the way, you have a website, why both of you are in here talking about your books? Tell your brother run for a senator, if he win, maybe he can implement his pipe dream ideas that he had written on his book. How many copies have he sold? I bet he only sold three copies, one for you, to his mom and wife. I am tired reading your post. It’s garbage. Can you write better comment regarding the topic. The topic here is English and you inserted your labor gawking discussion.
Cocoy, i brought up Benign0’s website because i thought that Mrivera would be interested in reading further about his recommendations. As far as i know, we are not related, but i did download his book which i came to know of via Manolo Quezon’s blog. If you are tired of reading my post, that is not my problem. Everything written here exists at the prerogative of our host.
Cjv:
Mrivera is a very intelligent and articulate person, he is the most admired individual in this blog, he is not critical to anyone’s writing until recently, you and Benigno did your posting. From him, I learned my poetry but, it is hard to emulate his poem.
Yes, your comment is your prerogative, I read your both comment because I thought I will learn something on the subject, beyond my expectation it doesn’t make sense and you wasted my time.
Next time, if you do your posting be courteous enough to label it —off topic–then, it is my prerogative to read.
cvj/mrivera,
Just visit http://www.getrealphilippines.com. Whatever collateral you might need is there for download.
cocoy, whether “cvj” is my brother or not, does that change in any way the validity or invalidity of the issues we discuss?
If not, then what’s the point in speculating about any imagined family relations here? That’s just so typically Pinoy (a microcosm of our politics, kung baga. 😉 ). Stidi ka lang diyan. 😀
salamat kuya.
cocoy, from his responses, i did not get the impression that mrivera was being critical of our discussions. (mrivera, please correct me if i got the wrong impression.)
Cjv:
I went back and read Mrivera’s posting again, based on my reading comprehension, uttering is useless if no action. Am I right or wrong? If I am wrong, it is the reason I am away from home for so long.
Benigno:
Yes,stidi lang ako dito.
matagal ng hinihintay ng taongbayan na bigyan diin at pagyamanin ang pambansang wika at gawin haligi ito sa pagbubuo hindi lamang ng sa mga batas at pang ekonomiyang polisiya, kalakip dapat ang sa agham at matematika.
isipin na lang ang magiging positibong resulta nito:
mababawasan tiyak ang bilang ng mga estudyanteng may planong maging isang abugado. dahil kung ang mga batas ay nakatitik sa sariling wika, mahigit na maiintindihan ito ng kahit ultimo at mababawasan na ang pangangailangan ng isang attorney-(out)-law. at madali na nating mahikayat ang mga ito, na maging doktor ng pagsasaka, kalusugan, ng sa pagtuturo, atbp!
inaasahan na matitigil ang maka-sariling panukala tulad ng sa cha-cha, terror bill, JPEPA, at maraming pang-iba. dahil pagnabasa’t naintindihan ng sambayanan ito, sila mismo bubuhos na sa kalye para magprotesta kahit walang artista o pulitiko!
mababawasan na din ang mga kawatan sa kaban ng bayan kung ang paggamit ng mga executive agreements tulad nitong
kaso nina Perez sa IMPSA ay naiintindihan ng lahat; na ito ay isang negosyong pribado pero sagot ng Republika kung malulugi ang negosyo!
mababawasan na rin ang mga ekonomistang peke, na kung anu-anong modelo ang ginagaya’t hindi naman nababagay sa ating kalagayan!
ang inaangal ng marami na walang paki-alam (apathetic) ang sambayanan sa mga pangyayari ay mabibigyan lunas na rin, dahil pagnaintindihan nila na ang mga debate sa Kongreso at Senado, na marami pala dito ay pawang pagpalaki ng sariling nilang suweldo at hindi kasama ang sa mga manggagawa, sila na mismo ang mag-aaklas!
at pagnaintindihan na ng mga kapatid natin na naka-uniporme
ang Saligang Batas, patungkol sa Article II, Sections 1 at 3; ang kasalukuyang pamamahala ng pekeng Pangulo, hindi na ito magtatagal pa ng isang linggo !!
“based on my reading comprehension, uttering is useless if no action”
Then again action without careful thought or reflection is far more disastrous.
It took centuries of philosophical debate (and, yes, a lot of “uttering”) to develop the foundations for the democratic concepts we take for granted today.
Too much emphasis on action and almost zero focus on thought is pretty much what led the Philippines to the disastrous state it is trapped in today.
Benigno:
Now, you are talking and I am willing to listen. What action have you done? I am just curious to know because maybe, we can agree .For me, I’ve done my service to my adopted country. I hanged my Khaki uniform and put my polished combat shoes in the locker. But, don’t ask me where my loyalty stand, It is like asking whom I loved dearly, my father or my mother. I do love them both. I did my time for my father, although some left-wings were so critical about the steps we toke, I don’t regret it. I know peace and order will be restore always. Now, my mother is crying for help and she’s screaming in top of her lungs, I can hear her moaning from my far away native land.
Now, I hope also that you are feeling her agonizing pain, you are doing something I suppose!
I want to know what kind of medication you have something in store. Then, you can convince me to agree what is your solution to stop the bleeding.
I read you vivid reasoning, hoping that you can give me some more.
If I become to harsh with you and Cjv, that’s the way how I am, It doesn’t mean that I don’t like you both.
cocoy,
Thanks for sharing that information.
I am not asking you where your loyalties stand. In fact this is not about me, you, cvj or any individual person here. Why is it that when issues are being discussed, we have a tendency to go into the realm of personal issues?
Whatever I did (or did not do) is not what is being discussed here.
Don’t look to me for solutions or answers (though I am tempted to be flattered that you do so). What I have said here and whatever is available on my site is what I only have for now. Discussions like these are more about bouncing ideas off one another (and stress-testing said ideas) rahter than about checking out or comparing one another’s personal circumstances or activities outside cyberspace.
Cheer-yo! 😉
Benigno:
A curios person always what to know what is going on to prolong the conversation.
If a person has a lot of queries in his mind and raise the issue, he is interested to know.
I am just interested to learn from what kind of thinking based on your writing and I become critical because I didn’t find a clear picture hiding in your mind. I know you are a brilliant person, and no doubt in my mind.
I admired a lot of blogers in this Ellen’s corner, There intelligent are par excellent, I bugged into your mind hoping that you are one. Some are comical, some are just looking for a hated argument and a cat fight. There are hypocritical writer like that Ilocana in Japan. She hide like a beaten fox if she is defeated. I am just too sentimental about her comment. She called the Fascist Society the country where I live and the Filipinoes in here are half-baked.
If I ask too much question, that’s my style before I offer my friendship. I made a lot of friends in here and we are planing for a reunion. I am looking that we can be a good friend,too. What do you say?