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Gringo captured

Former Sen. Gregorio “Gringo” Honasan, wanted for charges of rebellion against Gloria Arroyo, was captured early this morning (about 2:45 a.m.) at Green Meadows in Quezon City.

Honasan sustained a deep cut in his right foot and a sprain in his left foot after he tried to elude arrest by jumping off from the second floor of the townhouse reportedly owned by a certain Ingrid Ramos in Green Meadows.

Initially detained at the CIDG headquarters in Camp Crame, Quezon City, he was later transferred to the PNP General Hospital where he was treated.

Arrested with Honasan was his driver, Jaime Baladad, who was said to be experiencing high blood pressure following their arrest.

Opposition leader and former senator Vicente Sotto III rushed to Crame after learning of Honasan’s capture.

“I have just spoken with Gringo and he told me he was taken in by the CIDG,” Sotto said.He said that prior to the arrest, Honasan was already preparing to face the charges leveled against him.

Click here for Philippine Daily Inquirer’s account of Honasan’s capture.

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  1. If indeed there were negotiations going on between Gringo’s camp and the administration, why arrest him? This only shows how this administration works. They talk to you while holding a knife to your neck.

  2. chi chi

    Ellen, as I said in my comment in the previous thread, Gringo’s capture was a superficial victory on the side of the bogus president. It may yet clear the path towards end of her fantasy republic.
    As Gringo is believed to be the silent adviser on coup, all ears and eyes of men in uniform and ordinary pinoys will be focused on him. I see it as a positive development rather than a defeat on the part of the suffering Filipinos.
    Glue will definitely be afraid to touch him, what with Ninong Enrile to support him, and his heroism in EDSA 1 that pinoys haven’t forgotten up to the present time. If they
    subject him to torture, it will provide the much needed spark to end this dying regime. The Pidals and their minions know it by heart. MABUHAY SI GRINGO! MABUHAY ANG PILIPINO!

  3. TonGuE-tWisTeD TonGuE-tWisTeD

    Pareng Gringo, if I should call him that as we were actually sponsors in a baptism while they were shooting it out in nearby Paseo de Roxas. The parents listed his name even if they didn’t know him personally. The baby’s lolo even sent the almost untouched lechon to Manila Garden Hotel where the rebels holed up.

    Again, Pareng Gringo, OUR DREAMS WILL NEVER DIE.

  4. artsee artsee

    Matagal na nilang alam kung nasaan si Gringo. Ngayon lang dinampot dahil malapit na ang election at dahil may milagrong gagawin si tiyanak. Martial Law na!

  5. chi chi

    should read : “… all eyes and ears of principled men in uniform…”

  6. what can we expect to this present government…as usual “palpak talaga”..”palpak na naman yan…tanong mo kay mr. defensor at ermita alam nila yan…kunwari pa kayo!!! magising na sana kayo sa katotohanan “if you know the truth, the truth shall set you free….” lalaya kayo sa inyong kalooban at hindi na kayo babagabagin ng inyong mga maiitim at manhid ninyong damdamin…kailan pa kayo gigising kung huli na ang lahat!!!!…TAMA NA!!! bangong na bayan!! upang umunlad na tayo

  7. macshock macshock

    big fan of gringo. wish the media wouldnt call him a fugitive though as he’s not been convicted. it plays right into “the small one”‘s hands when we call him a fugitive as it paints a picture that gringo has done something wrong. he has every right to take shelter from an abusive use of power. but that doesnt make him a fugitive.

  8. we-will-never-learn we-will-never-learn

    Mr Defensor is very quiet, in fact you may say he has a tight lip…. or not being fed the script, not before time eh!

  9. Spartan Spartan

    So…nahuli nila si Gringgo…big deal? Puwera “extra-judicial” way of dealing with Honasan, ano pa kaya nilang gawin sa kanya? Wala…wala…wala. MABUHAY KA GRINGGO!!!

  10. we-will-never-learn we-will-never-learn

    I’ve followed the contents of this blog for some months but I don’t recall anyone producing a complete itemized list of alleged instantces of corruption by members of this administration, their congressmen, AFP, PNP, justice dept, since 2001.

    Also: a list of personalities who are alleged to have committed acts of corruption. with offenses itemised with dates, since 2001.

    In this age of the internet a list of alleged offenses and a list of personalities would be very interesting to see this information in print. The whole world would know the allegations against these personalities.

    If there can be found to be a ‘safe’ way of having these informations emailed to me, I am prepared collate and produce a complete list for anyone interested.

  11. we- will- never- learn, the role of media is to inform of the public, as truthfully and as accurately, as we can of what is happening in our country. you can try the website of the Philippine Center for Investigative Journalism.

    We expose it. It’s up to the government, if they are sincere in ridding the government of corruption, to pursue. They have all the resources to do it. If they want it.

    The burden of building up evidences and prosecuting the case is on the government. Not on us. media.

  12. At the presscon of PNP Chief Oscar Calderon, it was mentioned that former Sen. Tito Sotto revealed that negotations were going on with Tranportation Secretary Leandro Mendoza for the surfacing of Honasan in preparation for the 2007 senatorial election.

    Calderon denied knowing about it.

  13. kulisap kulisap

    who would dare to file cases and evidences to concerned executive and quasi-judiciary-executives when their independence is compromised, destroyed by the current powers-that-be for political perpetuation without regard if it is moral or immoral.

  14. kulisap kulisap

    as an ordinary citizen, i perceive gringo as a catalyst for the good of the filipino race but he uses the customary filipino politics of doing the cataclysm. i believe in his sincerity and his cause but he chosed to use the philippine political system as tool to achieve to realize these and he is now in a bind and trapped in the dynamics.nay, he is not a criminal.he could have been mahatma gandhi or the dalai lama.

  15. Toney Cuevas Toney Cuevas

    One down more to go! Now that Gringo has been captured on the charges of rebellion against bogus Gloria, I expect more will be arrested. In fairness, the next to be seized for the same charges of rebellion against the government of legitimate President Estrada would be the following: Gloria Arroyo, Miguel Arroyo, Cory Aquino, Fidel Ramos, Angelo Reyes, et al.

    Cory couldn’t get him, yet bogus Gloria’s determination did Gringo in. I wonder if death by firing squad still legally in effect? Since the charged is rebellion, if Gringo found guilty who’d he be eligible for firing squad?

  16. vic vic

    we-will-never-learn, in a set up of our type of governemnt, granted that it is working normally, all allegations, which if you visit and follow the details of PCIJ investigations all through the years, there are enough allegation of corruptions, personalities, even the ‘modus operandi’ of every one of them, for the Agency we are believe to be Respsonsible to Investigate, Arrest and prosecute the culprits. It is known as our Police Authorities, under the Justice system of the Third Branch of our So-Called Democratic System. But at the moment all those supposed independent branches of government ceded their power to the Executive, under your Excellency Pres. Madame Gloria Macapagal Arroyo, the Queen by the Pasig River…

  17. goldenlion goldenlion

    Everybody knows especially the fake administration of bansot where Gringo is hiding. His capture is in preparation of the coming midterm elections. The so-called men in uniform, the pincipled ones, must celebrate!!! With Gringo’s presence they can now plan smoothly on how to evict the squatters in malacanang. No one will dare to touch the hero of EDSA 1, otherwise, it will start the impending end of bansot. MABUHAY KA GRINGO, MABUHAY ANG MGA MAY PRINSIPYONG SUNDALO!!! SULONG BAYAN!!! NOW IS THE TIME!!!

  18. fencesitter fencesitter

    macshock Says:
    “big fan of gringo. wish the media wouldnt call him a fugitive though as he’s not been convicted. it plays right into “the small one”’s hands when we call him a fugitive as it paints a picture that gringo has done something wrong. he has every right to take shelter from an abusive use of power. but that doesnt make him a fugitive.”

    macshock i would like to disabuse your mind about what “fugitive from justice” meant in our criminal justice system. whenever a crime crime has been committed and the police agency starts to investigate all possible suspects responsible for the crime, all named suspects should appear before the authority and answer questions directed to them to clear their names. if any of the named suspects does not make themselves available for questioning and decided to run based on their own personal reasons, then justice will pursue them whereever they may be found.

    as the saying goes: “the innocent is brave as a roaring lion, while the guilty scampers away!”

    the reason that the sitting president and her administration is rotten should not be made a lame excuse for anyone to escape police investigation, otherwise we will be providing the same reason to those who may really be guilty as hell of the crime already committed. we should be dealing with the institution, and NOT with the persons who are temporarily holding the power of a government office.

    i will not question your special personal attachment to gringo. that is your personal privilege. in fact, the filipino people owe him some debt of gratitude for his contribution in sending the marcoses scampering swiftly for their safety in hawaii from the wrath of an awakened and angry nation they abused and deprived for decades. he served the senate, but i’m not so sure if he served with distinction comparable to what recto, tañada and diokno have achieved, to name a few. and pardon me for my own ignorance about some important pieces of legislation he may have contributed as his accomplishment as a legislator which ultimately redound to the benefit of the filipino people.

    but when he started to agitate his fellow soldier to rebel against a fragile government of cory aquino, their erstwhile commander-in-chief, my faith in his patriotism crumbles and i began to question his own motives. whatever economic gains the people enjoyed as a result of cory’s effort was entirely wiped out with that single act of indiscretion. the people once again suffered, but the economic dislocations endured by the poor spared the rich politicians from both side of political fence, they continue to live in luxury and comfort like they did even before the putsch.

    cashiered during the entire term of CA for his rebellion, he got his clearance from FVR who saw much promise in him and those who supported him and actively took part in a bloody exercise. all of them was restored to their old positions in the military without loss of seniority rights after rendering a token punishment of 10 or 20 push-ups.

    thereafter, for every rumored military uprising being cooked, his name always prominently comes out. whether or not the floating of his name was mere inventions of his enemy in malacañang, he should face it fair and square even if it costs him days in jail. that is how brave honorable men who wants to lead this country should show.

  19. peacer001 peacer001

    I agree with u Goldenlion, everybody in Malacanang knows where Gringo was hiding but they were just waiting for this time…para naman maiiba ang balita. Bansot na bansot na kasi image ni pandak at nakakahalata na pati ang international business community. This fake president thinks that Gringo’s capture will merit media’s attention at maging pabango (deodorizer). Gee! The trick of this filthy administration is predictable. Manggagamit!!!

  20. florry florry

    Been wondering why Enrile jumped over the bakod to the bakuran of the glue. Sabi ko pa nga, tumatanda ito ng paurong. Now I am having some ideas. Ninong pala siya ni Gringo. Hindi na sila talo ngayon ni glue kaya maaring hingin na lang niyang balato si Gringo. If that’s the idea and he succeed, then he really meant “problema mo, sagot ko” to Gringo.

  21. we-will-never-learn we-will-never-learn

    Ellen. Vic.
    I will visit the PCIJ website to collate a condensed list of alleged corruption and personalities since 2001.
    Thanks for that info.

  22. Schumey:

    Ang tawag diyan traydor, very typical of the Macabebens noted in history to be traitors—the original dugong aso. Let’s remember that the bogus president was descended from one of them that her historian now tries to differentiate with a letter “c” because the original name was spelled with a letter “k”!!!

    I’ve been telling this in the blogs and fora I have participated in, never trust this Midget. Ang dami ko ngang nakaaway but a lot of them are my friends now. Sising-sisi for joining and supporting EDSA 2.

    I saw through the Bansot from the first time she came to Japan as a dignitary from the Philippines, and that was in 1992 when she launched her political career. I thought she was encouraged by Cory, but now it looks she was encouraged by the husband, who must be eyeing the amount of collections they could get even in terms of donations to their bogus funds as exposed by Senator Lacson.

    This reminds me. My father was a good friend of former Mayor Arsenio H. Lacson, who had his own radio program called “In This Corner” where he used to lambast corrupt politicians. He had in fact his own share of libel suits, but the Mayor just ignored them. Ang sabi niya, when I checked with my mother, was “Suntukan tayo. Hindi kita uurungan. Kahit magbarilan tayo! To hell with your lawsuits!” Iyan ang tunay!

    I wonder if Ping Lacson could be as brave and courageous!

  23. Florry:

    If they think that Filipinos will clap their hands at the capture of Honasan, I doubt. Wala na lang talagang magamit na pangpataas ng rating ni Bansot, because in the first place, she is the problem and not Honasan.

    On the other hand, we’ll see if this capture of Honasan will start a move among the still brave men of honor of the AFP to go underground! What we might see in the end is a bloody civil war.

    The Midget should actually not be too sure that Filipinos would no longer have the pep and power to retaliate and fight her troops with one kidneys!!!

    Meanwhile, huwag mo nang asahan si Enrile. Matanda na iyan. Bumabawi na lang iyan!

  24. Schumey:

    Huwag magkamali si Pandak na ipapapatay si Honasan. Baka siya ang hinihintay na battlecry ng mga natitira pang matapang sa AFP at PMA!

    I won’t say, “Mabuhay, Gringo!” I’d rather say, “Ipakita mo ang tigas mo, Gringo!” Para gayahin siya ng iba pang nakakulong na kasama niyang mga sundalo.

    PATALSIKIN NA, NOW NA!
    DiYumu Yuko

    P. S. Anna, you may be right about the bullet proof vest,etc. Sa bigat lalong nababansot si Pandak! Ang sagwa ng itsura!

  25. ipaglaban mo ipaglaban mo

    Mabuhay ka Gringo!
    Hey gloria & company, kung akala niyo tapos na ang laban; it just started… This gloria-led government just crossed the point of no return.

  26. Ellen: “The burden of building up evidences and prosecuting the case is on the government. Not on us. media.”
    *****

    You bet, Ellen! Over here, we do investigative reporting before or after police do some raids and arrests. Oftentimes, they take the leads from investigative reports and complete the investigations to make sure that they have more than evidences to help the prosecute file an indictment, and convict a crook.

    Problema sa Pilipinas, tamad ang mga police especially when you have a police chief only to make sure to protect the interests of the bogus president and his cousin, who is even making now a business of filing libel suits against media people. Dapat na diyan talaga, puwersa ng bayan (I prefer this words to People’s Power kasi mas naiintindihan ng mga pilipino) para mapatalsik na.

    Bakit naman itong si Sotto, hindi na nadala. Negotiation pa ng negotiation, e alam naman nilang baligtad ang mga sikmura ng mga baboy na ito! Dugong aso kasi!

    PATALSIKIN NA, NOW NA.

  27. This should read: “….complete the investigations to make sure that they have more than ENOUGH evidences to help the PROSECUTOR to file an indictment, and convict a crook.” Sorry, about that. Nagmamadali kasi!

  28. nelbar nelbar

    fencesitter:

    Kung sino pa ang nagtatanggol ng kapakanan ng sambayanan ay siya ang kinukulong.

    Kitang-kita naman na si Erap noong 1998 na hinalal ng nakararaming Pilipino ay siya pa ang nagdudusa sa Tanay.

    Ganon din ang kasundaluhan na naghahanap lang ng katotohanan, katarungan at katiwasayan ng bansa?

     

    “he should face it fair and square even if it costs him days in jail”

    bakit hindi mo iparating dun sa mag-asawang impostor na nasa Malakanyang at sa mga alipores nito?

    Ipinagtatanggol dapat ng mga abogado ay iyong interes ng sambayanan at hindi iyong iligal na nasa Malakanyang!

     

    Malapit na ang 17 anibersaryo ng “pagbabago sa timisoara” ng 1989.

     

  29. Fencesitter, is it also correct to describe Joc-joc Bolante as “fugitive”. I’m hesitant to use this word in describing him because I’m not sure.

  30. Mrivera Mrivera

    kapag merong nagtatanong sa akin (dahil sa pagiging identified/assosiated ko sa kanya being both GUARDIANS)tungkol sa anumang kinasasangkutan ni GRINGO katulad nang ganitong walang linaw na kasong ipinapataw (puro haka haka at pamamana lang sa dilim ng mga nagdidiin) sa kanya, iling at kibit balikat lamang ang nagiging tugon ko sapagkat ayaw kong magkaroon ng kumplikasyon ang lahat. subalit sa puntong ito, naniniwala akong walang katotohanan ang lahat ng mga paratang sa kanya (sampu ng ibang isinangkot nina raul gonzalez, ang walang kwentang DOJ thief, gayundin ang kanyang among utak bangaw, gloria makapal dorobo) dahil hindi sila nakapagpalabas at makapagpakita ng konkretong ebidensiya laban sa kanya (GRINGO).

    ginagamit lamang ng administrasyong ito ang probisyon ng batas upang itago ang kanilang maiitim na balak. bawat anggulo ng anumang isyu ay ginagawa nilang yugtu-yugtong nobela upang lituhin ang taong bayan sa tunay na mga nangyayari sa loob ng malakanyang, sa kanilang mga kapalpakan, pangungurakot, pagmamanipula sa mga datos at pagbabalak ng mas karumaldumal na krimen upang mahuthot nang tuyo ang kaban ng bayan sukdulang magmukhang pulubi ang mga dukhang mamamayan.

  31. fencesitter fencesitter

    by the way ellen, our criminal justice system operates from the time police agency takes cognizance of a crime and investigation starts (where gathering of evidence begin), thereafter the same agency files the case with the prosecution arm where probable cause will be determined, and the filing of case in court proper. in gringo’s case, he has already been charged in court in makati RTC br. 145 of a crime of rebellion, where it has long been pending. for all intents and purposes, he is already considered a “fugitive from justice”.

    the process in the senate where the fertilizer scam was discovered does not involve police matter under our criminal justice system but merely an investigation “in aid of legislation”.

    it is most deplorable that the office of the ombudsman has been sitting on it and the strong influence of the senate could not make the agency move a bit. and would you not wonder why the opposition block in the lower house even increased its budget?, despite the fact that the pending fertilizer scam had been gathering dust in that agency’s filing cabinet for too long. (i understand all evidences against bolante have already been turned-over by the senate to them).

    based on the context of the whole article taken together, the word “fugitive” maybe considered innocent not libelous as it stand alone if the story does not suggest that it is related to an imputation of a crime against that person.

  32. Tama ang sabi mo Mrivera. Gagamitin lang ang kaso ni Gringo bilang panakot lalo doon sa mga duwag na hindi makapagpasiya kung saan sila papanig, doon sa may perang maglalangis ng kamay nila dahil ang daming ninakaw at mananakaw pa, o doon sa mga taong kundi pa ipagbili ang kidney ay hindi makakabili ng isang jeepney para ipamuhay! Nakakaawang nakakaiyak kasi marami rin akong mga kamag-anak na naging sundalo ng Pilipinas. Tiyo ko nga naging Brig. General ng AFP. Kawawang bansa talaga kasi ginagawang tau-tauhan ang lahat di bale sana kung naboto e hindi naman.

    PATALSIKIN NA, NOW NA!

  33. ocayvalle ocayvalle

    the arrest of gringgo is not a big blow to the anti gloria,we will support all the way the immediate ousting of GMA and FG,some sectors in the inc is now asking ka erdie to denounce this evil administration..they again uses asher dolina an inactive member of inc as the fore front in arresting gringgo.its the same trick when they used the late wycocco an inactive member of inc to be very vocal in fighting known anti GMA..in the days to come mr dolina will be praised by GMA and again secretly whispering to members of inc that it has the blessing of ka erdie..whatever they will do,they can not convince the people in the top brass of inc..this time they will fail..majority of inc had enough of this GMA administration..and its final..we better oust now this evil GMA..it is now the time!!

  34. Sinabi mo pa, Ocayvalle. Big boost pa nga iyan, para makapaghanda na ang lahat. Right?

    Iba’t ibang proseso. Pasasaan ba’t mapapatalsik din ang mga ungas. Before you know baka bukas wala na ang mga iyan. Sabi nga, “God works in a mysterious way!”

    Bakit ba noong hindi sila makapag-decide kung tatanggalin o hindi ang mga bases kahit na may batas nang ipinasa, hindi ba pumutok iyong bundok na matagal nang natutulog? Ganyan din siguro ang mangyayari doon sa mag-asawang ganid! I have faith that God will not allow these crooks to destroy completely the whole Philippine systems, lalo na iyong mga pilipinong nawawalan na ng tiwala at pananampalataya sa Diyos.

    Meanwhile, tira ng tira. Pukpok dito pukpok doon. May pupuntahan din iyan. Bilib you me? Kasama mo kami sa dasal mo.

  35. norpil norpil

    fencesitter: just wondering, can gringo still be a candidate? what if he wins and lose in court, can he serve his term. i have always thought that after all politics or the voice of the people is higher than the details of law???? but as i said i am not a lawyer nor a politician.

  36. Busy iyong mga internet brigade ni Bansot. I just got a warning that one or two are trying to get to my profile at yahoo. Ang tindi talaga!

    Ingat kayo. At least, we are safe over here in Japan. Thanks to an efficient police!

    Ellen, ingat! Mga berdugo ang mga walanghiya. I just wonder if they have substituted the criminals recruited from the Sigue-Sigue and other gangs with the matitino in the AFP and the police now.

    Tactica ng CIA sa iraq as a matter of fact.

  37. Norpil,

    Jalosjos was convicted, pero nanalo! He was only removed from the rooster at Congress when someone criticized his remaining in position even when he was convicted.

    Gringo is not convicted yet. He is just a SUSPECT. He is not even an accused yet because there is no indictment unless of course, the judicial system in the Philippines does not follow the international standard of distinguishing a suspect from an accused and criminal procedure rendered useless unless a suspect is indicted and becomes legitimately an accused!

    Golly, time for lawyers, and even perhaps prosecutors there to review their law books. Parang walang mga alam!

  38. goldenlion goldenlion

    Matagal nang nagbabala ang kalikasan, kapag hindi pa umalis si bansot sa malacanang hanggang katapusan ng taong ito, may trahedyang mangyayari…………..maraming mapipinsala, kabuhayan at buhay. Sinabi ko na noon pa, isusumpa ng tadhana si gloria sampu ng kanyang pamilya at mga alipores. Ang Cebu International convention Center ay hindi dapat gamitin….sapagkat may nakaambang trahedya. Kapag iginiit ito ni bansot…siya mismo ay doon babawian ng buhay.

    Totoo ang sinabi ni ystakei, nagmamatigas ang US noon, ayaw alisin ang mga base militar nila, kalikasan na ang kumilos, anong nangyari? mga amerikano mismo ang kusang loob na iniwan ang Zambales. See? Kung hindi mapaalis si bansot ng mga tao sa palasyo………..mark my words…she will be evicted by a tragedy. Ang malungkot, ilalabas siya sa malacanang na isa ng malamig….na……bansot!!!

  39. norpil norpil

    thanks ystakei: i understood too that he was just a suspect but you answered in a way with the example of jalosjos.

  40. Mrivera Mrivera

    sino kaya ang magkakalakas ng loob na hulugan ng sako sakong langgam na pula ang malakanyang? mas maganda sana kung ‘yung cannibal ants galing africa o amazon mountain.

    aaaahhhh! alam ko na!

    artsee, tutal, napakarami mong perang hindi kayang bilangin daan taon man ang abutin, pwede kaya mag-import ka ng mga langgam? arkila ka ng isandaang helikapter para gamitin sa paghuhulog sa malakanyang.

  41. Mrivera Mrivera

    ystakei: “Golly, time for lawyers, and even perhaps prosecutors there to review their law books. Parang walang mga alam!”

    ystakei, for how much? ang lagay ganun na lang ba? deal or no deal?

  42. macshock macshock

    fencesitter says: as the saying goes: “the innocent is brave as a roaring lion, while the guilty scampers away!”

    that may be true in just system working a vacuum. but a corrupt system precisely lends itself to injustice to the degree that an innocent brave roaring lion can be cowed to scamper away by the sheer fear of being made a fool, or made to look guilty. i have no quarrel with you on gringo’s history, for good or bad. in the present context however, where a usurper sits in a throne and insinuates herself into the dispensation of justice, we have to be wary of who we call guilty.

    by sheer experience i have seen the law and its system fixed to address the needs of the powerful. too often the innocent are readily convicted by perception and by lack of skillful defense that can only be had by money or position. that, is my concern.

    a fugitive, in our law, if youve studied it well enough, is one who flees from the proper dispensation of the law. if one is accused there is an obligation by the state to pursue that man to face the charges, where he may very well defend himself and prove his righteousness. but just because state duty requires a pursuit does not mean the accused must make the task equally easy. there is no such obligation under our law. he could hide forever if he must to avoid the long arm and he would be perfectly within his rights. especially so, if one were too sure of a lynching or a railroading of proceedings.
    i would not have wished to be martyred myself.

    until there is a conviction, or an initial acquisition of jurisdiction, there is no fugitive. as we paint gringo to be one, we very subtly diminish his stature. the very same stature that may impassion others to do right.

    to illustrate, if one were to accuse you of kidnapping, say, your girlfriend. you could scream to the high heavens that youre innocent and the charges are ridiculous. but that wont matter much if you have to spend some 3 months in a gadawful jail trying to prove it. because whether youve proven the point or not, you’d still have squandered your liberty. and only that if you learn fast enough not to pick up the soap…

    gringo did right in trying. he was within his rights, specially so that he has a national following. even more meaningful is his defiance in the face of an increasingly abusive national government upon which he cannot find his fair ground to fight. now, if only we could gather the courage to be inspired.

    “Their government had set itself on a track that it felt it did not have to be bound by. It rejected the rule of law. The citizenry, at that point, incurred not only a right but an obligation to do whatever it was that was necessary to ensure that their government did comply with the rule of law. That was their obligation. That’s the enforcement mechanism.”

  43. They can. See Golez’ statement below. I think Honasan is going to run in the 2007 elections. He is in the top 5 of possible winners for senators in all surveys.

    Navy Lt. Antonio Trillanes was also planning to run but he was not able to register and establish residence. sayang.

  44. Statement of Sen. Rodolfo Biazon:

    There is a need for the government, the judiciary to pursue a swift resolution of the cases filed against former Senator Honasan through the judicial process which must be public.

    Care must be taken that there is no persecution, but a prosecution of the cases filed against Sen Honasan considering that this event could suppress the effects of the rumblings that are still there or it could trigger something more, that everyone would not welcome.

    Senator Honasan still has sympathizers not only out of the military but also in the military.

    For example, There is a feeling of injustice being committed against the Marines being incarcerated in Fort Bonifacio and in Cavite Naval Base because when I talked to them, I asked them if their statements were taken in the investigation and they said it had not yet been taken and only the statement of one Colonel of the Marines, a certain Col. Jonathan Martir was the basis of the arrest and incarceration.

    Here, there might be a parallel, it seems that (tho I may be wrong of course) the only piece of evidence which was used as a basis of the warrant of arrest of Sen Honasan was that of Second Lt Laurence San Juan?

    It is possible also that if there were talks involving high officials, the arresting officials may not know it.

    As stated by Sen Sotto, Honasan was in Manila because of these on going ..was it “exploratory talks”… or serious talk that was leading to a final conclusion of the talks.. we have to wait for further developments to know..

    but it is important also that this issue of the talks is handled properly or else there could be a perception by some of a double cross.

    Sen Honasan was being charged with 50 other personalities which consists not only of officers still in the active service but also civilians, will the treatment of Sen Honasan be the same as the treatment to civilians who are still out there, not captured, not arrested, not being held?

    I think the other civilians out there include former Amb Roy Seneres, lawyers Rafael Pulido, Cristopher Belmonte etc.. are these other suspects being handled in the same way as they are going to handle Sen Honasan..if there is a difference in treatment, there must be a legal explanation to the difference.

    The injury of Sen Honasan is a factor that also has to be addressed by the arresting agency.

  45. nelbar nelbar

    Attn ystakei:

    From Yahoo! News Headlines:

    Japan issues tsunami warning after quake

     
    10 minutes ago

     

    TOKYO – Japan’s meteorological agency issued a tsunami warning and told the country’s Pacific coast residents to flee to higher ground after a powerful earthquake hit hundreds of miles away.

     
    * * * * * * * * * *

     

    paki-update lang kami

     
     

  46. vic vic

    norpil, that is a good question. can a criminally convicted person run for political office, well if you have a provision of equality under the Philippines constitutions, the answer is Yes. Recent decision of our SC that disqualify a person convicted of crime punisable of more than two years was declared unscontitutional under that provision, so it follows that in any constitution that gives Equality Rioghts to all its citizen, then anyone can run for political office, except the officials of elctoral body. In the end it is the voter who decides who he/she wants to be his/her representative or president.

  47. Statement of Rep. Roilo Golez:

    His capture is another episode in the roller coaster life of Gringo.

    I know he is man enough to accept and face the full consequences of all his actions. I hope he is given due process and his rights and dignity fully respected.

    As to how this will affect his political fortunes, it will be recalled that he was at large and hiding when relected as senator in 2001. In fact his ratings went up when there was an arrest order.

    Being in government custody could be double-edged proposition for him in 2007 senatorial elections. Considering the vagaries of Philippine style politics, his arrest might even boost his political chances and ensure his win.

    One elected again, it would be interesting to see how being a senator again would affect his freedom.

  48. luzviminda luzviminda

    Goldenlion, parang napi-feel ko rin yang mga sinasabi mo… Sana lang walang madamay na mga inosenteng tao… sana sina Demonic GMA and her evil legions ang mapuksa! God will make revenge for us victims of GMA.

  49. TonGuE-tWisTeD TonGuE-tWisTeD

    Nakakainis panoorin ang news sa TV. Yung GMA7 nilagyan ng slant yung kanilang report kesyo nakunan nila na nagaayos ng pantalon si Gringo palabas ng Townhouse pagkatapos arestuhin. At yungtownhouse ay pagaaari ng isang Ingrid Ramos. Ano ang conclusion na gustong ipilit ng reporter? Na me ginagawang milagro si Gringo at yung Ingrid sa loob ng bahay? Foul yan!

    Ang sabi ni Tito Sotto at ni Atty. Danny Gutierrez, pagbaba ni Gringo ng SUV nagpalipat-lipat sa 3 bakod ng bahay si Gringo bago nahuli ng mga pulis sa 2nd floor ng isang bahay. Hindi naman yata makatarungang lahat ng pinasok na bakod ni Gringo kakasuhan ng harboring a fugitive o obstruction of justice, diba? Mga pulis nga mismo ang nagsabi na mula pagbaba ni Gringo ng SUV hanggang sa mahuli siya “in a matter of minutes” lang. Gusto yatang ipahiwatig sa newscast na merong sexual tryst na nagyayari sa pagitan ni Gringo at kay Ingrid Ramos.

    Napakamalisyoso naman ng reporter. Kung ako kay Jimmy Duavit idi-disciplinary action ko yan. Mas binigyang-bigat pa ang mga statement ng mga guwardiya na witnesses “daw” na doon natulog si Gringo the whole night. Kalokohan! Kung alam nilang nandoon si Gringo beforehand, palalampasin kaya nila yung P5Million reward?

    Esep-esep.

  50. Nelbar:

    We’re getting warnings on the TV in fact. The tsunami is from 50 cm. to 2 m. high. Over in Tokyo, it’s 50 cm. and so is the tsunami along the area where Taipan88 lives. Hers is near the sea, I understand. I am on higher ground, far from the shore. Breakwater in Tokyo is much higher, and will not reach ground. Boats, etc. in the waters are being pulled up to near the inland shores.

    Will give the update later.

  51. This should read “…and TSUNAMI will not reach ground.”

    Northern Hokkaido is reporting 1 to 2 m. high Tsunami. So far, the waves measured from 10 to 20 cm or lower than predicted. It isn’t over yet though.

  52. TonGuE-tWisTeD TonGuE-tWisTeD

    Nanganak na rin yung balita kesyo ito raw Ingrid Ramos e staff ni Gringo, nung hindi maconfirm, naging staff naman daw ni Enrile, ang latest, e supporter ni Enrile nung 2001 elections. Pilit na namang inihahanap ng koneksiyon. Naghahanap ng idadamay. Pati ba naman yung pag-aayos ng pantalon, naging issue pa. Tsk, tsk. Tapos sasabihin, “Walang labis, walang kulay, serbisyong totoo lang”. Naku.

    The mainstream media should be composed of men and women of integrity, prudent and responsible discerning adults, and not rednecked immature individuals acting like reckless juveniles in their search for headlines at the expense of truth.

    I would have allowed it to pass had these reports been made by the tabloids but not by a major media outfit as GMA7. Ang lumalabas tuloy parehong nagsisinungaling si Gringo at ang mga pulis na pinuri pa nga ni Gringo, ayon kay Tito Sotto, for the professional manner in which the arrest was conducted.

    Kaya nga buti pa dito sa blog, nahihimay ng husto ang balita, sa TV, kung ano ang mapanood mo yun na lang. Kung palpak ang balita, sabi nga ng taga-GMKA na si Michael V., “Yari ka”!

  53. TonGuE-tWisTeD TonGuE-tWisTeD

    Slip of the Tongue: “…sabi nga ng taga-GMA na si Michael V….”

  54. Bastos talaga, TongueT. Tiktik style pa ha. What can you expect? Malibog siguro ang gumawa niyan. Baka nanonood ng bomba nang ginagawa ang report niya! Pwe!

  55. npongco npongco

    What can we expect from GMA7? This giant network station name’s initials are those of GMA. So, expect them to be on her side. Remember that well publicized interview on Gloria? GMA7 as well as ABS-CBN were two giant networks that conspired with the Edsa Two forces in ousting Erap. At the height of Edsa Tres, it was only Net 25 that covered the event.

    Tsunami? It sounds like Sushi. I thought I was reading “Sushi” in Japan. Good for our friend who’s flying to SF when this news came out. Good for her but bad for the rest of the Japs.

    Golez was right in his opinion about Gringo. Filipinos love the underdog. Gringo is a strong candidate for the Senate and his arrest indeed boosted his chance. As for the question about a convicted felon running for public office; well, remember Cong. Romeo Jalosjos. He was convicted of multiple rapes and was in jail when he ran for Congress and got re-elected again. That’s the reason why Gringo and even Erap (not convicted yet) could still run for office.

  56. Sabi ni Pandak, no more coup na raw with the arrest of Gringo. Bakit, kailan ba nagkaroon ng coup? Siya nga ang nag-coup noong 2001. Sira pala ang tuktok ng babaing ito e! Pwe!

    Maraming paraan para mapaalis siya. Hintay lang siya!

  57. chi chi

    TongueT & friends,
    This is a portion of Ces Drillon’s first hand account interview with Gringo. Nilalaro na naman?

    ********

    “What happened?” I asked. “Was there a shootout?” All four men in the room, including a one-armed guard, shook their heads.

    The former senator explained that he was aboard his car. When he noticed he was being tailed, he tried to get off fast, hence the injured foot. But it didn’t explain the blood, I thought.

    One of the operatives then said, “Sir, mataas yung tinalon ninyo,second floor (You jumped from the second floor).” Honasan did not reply. One of the officers cleared his throat as if to warn his colleague to stop talking.

    Honasan tried to make light of the situation saying that far from being an important fugitive, he is two years shy of being a senior citizen. He also told the officer he had a “tampo” on me for stories I did on his recruitment of cadets early this year and my reports on Oplan Hackle, an intelligence document that detailed the alliance between the Magdalo-MKP (Makabayang Kawal Pilipino) and the New People’s Army (NPA).

    In these reports, Honasan was identified by the aliases “Kuya” and “Popeye” and was referred to as a Magdalo-MKP elder. I told the former senator that my stories were based on more than just intelligence reports.

    Then he asked if I could help him call former senator Vicente “Tito” Sotto, his colleague in the opposition. I did my best to oblige him and asked the news desk’s help to contact Sotto but we couldn’t reach him.

    A few minutes passed before a PNP doctor and a nurse arrived to attend to Honasan’s injured foot. The cut was big, it seemed to me, and the doctor began to clean the wound, lifting the skin where the cut was. If it was painful, Honasan did not show it. He just inquired if it was natural to feel some numbness in the area of the wound. While his wound was being stitched up, the senator told me he couldn’t say more except to deny all the charges filed against him by the government.
    ****
    Honasan requested the arresting officers to waive any planned presentation to media. But the officers said it was not a decision for them to make. In the end, however, his request was granted.

    It was past three in the morning when Honasan’s wife, Jane, and sister, Alya, arrived. Mrs. Honasan was stoic as she locked the conference room to keep us out. A few minutes later, former senator Sotto and Honasan’s lawyer, Danny Gutierrez, arrived. The two former senators sat in the far end of the room for a private talk.

    Only then did the police procedures of booking and taking mug shots followed.

    The cut on the right foot, we were told, bled profusely despite the stitches and the CIDG men thought it best to bring Honasan to the nearby clinic and later on to the PNP Main Hospital.”

  58. Mrivera Mrivera

    sige lang, sige lang darating din sa inyo
    sasabog na ang poot ang galit ng tao
    kahit saang sulok magtago na kayo
    kayong mga sukab, mga ganid na diyablo
    hindi namin lulubayan, tutugisin namin kayo.

    lupit ng parusa, katapat ng inyong gawi
    ang ibibigay namin sa inyong walang pasubali,
    sa unang hagupit ay damhin n’yo ang hapdi
    pangalawa ay tikman ang pait ng pighati
    katulad ng pinalasap n’yong gutom, hirap at dalamhati.

  59. Nelbar,

    The Tsunami warning is over. It was weaker than predicted. The highest was only 20 cm. Nevertheless, people are still warned about going out to sea to the Pacific side. Over and out on this unrelated topic to the topic in this loop.

  60. Not being used to watching suspects being paraded in front of cameras in Japan, I cannot help but feel nauseated by this bad and inhumane habit of Philippine authorities of parading suspects in front of TV cameras in the Philippines. It does not at all diminish or lessen the number of people committing crimes in the Philippines, so what the heck do they do this in the Philippines. Nagmumukhan lang silang mga barbarian sa totoo lang! Yuck! Sobra ang pagka-primitive!

  61. Chi,

    My reaction to this report of Ces Drilon—Suka, suka, suka! Sobra ang barbarism ng style ng mga pulis doon!

  62. npongco npongco

    The Sushi warning is over? Oh well, we can now continue going to Japanese restaurants. Seriously, I love Sushi. My former girl friend’s name was even Susie. About Gringo, one question popped up in my mind. If indeed he had plans of surrendering, why did he attempt to elude arrest causing his foot injuries? Gringo has become one of biggest if not the biggest catch of this Arroyo administration. But, Gringo would be okay. He’s too valuable to the Filipino people. If anything should happen to him, he would be another Ninoy. Our concern should be the danger doesn’t only come from GMA’s camp. Some nuts from the opposition in order to increase public support against Gloria might think of harming Gringo. But so far, Gringo is in good hands. Many of the soldiers whether they are for GMA or not respect this guy. Gringo has also the backing of the influential religious group INC. The first time he escaped and was wanted, that was years ago, he was reported to be hiding at INC Temple in QC.

  63. Related Topic—From Tribune:

    AFP move against AI uncalled for — RP envoy

    By Michaela P. del Callar

    11/16/2006

    The decision of the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) declaring international human rights group Amnesty International (AI) “persona non grata” would only hurt the country’s image abroad, a Filipino diplomat yesterday warned.

    “P in PNG is persona. Only a person can be barred entry unless they (military) want everybody in AI barred, which however requires justified sound policy decision. Note that AI has international accreditation,” the diplomat, speaking on con-dition of anony-mity, said.

    “Given the current national situation, we should not attack human rights groups. Sometimes AI exaggerates but basic facts are existent and true. Instead of antagonizing them, we should come up with facts to refute accusation,” the source added.

    After the AI linked government security forces to the wave of extra-judicial killings in the country, another international human rights watchdog also yesterday condemned the Arroyo administration for its “abject failure” to investigate the murders of left-leaning individuals and prosecute those involved.

    The Hong Kong Mission for Human Rights and Peace in the Philippines, in an 83-page report, noted that the government “is at

    best grossly failing to protect its citizens, and at worst may be complicit in an orchestrated campaign of targeted assassination.”

    It also cast serious doubts in the government-appointed investigating bodies handling the matter.

    “Many witnesses or victims’ family members believe the State is engaged in a campaign to eliminate politically ‘leftist’ groups and individuals in the Philippines. The killings and disappearances appear to specifically target left-leaning political activists, human rights defenders, members of the clergy, students, lawyers and journalists,” the report, which was released yesterday through the Asian Human Rights Commission (AHRC), said.

    The report comes a day after President Arroyo defended her government’s record on human rights after foreign business groups expressed alarm over a spate of political killings.

    AHRC conducted a fact-finding mission to the Philippines from July 23 to 28 to investigate and document cases of allegedly politically motivated extra-judicial killings and forced disappearance in the country.

    According to local sources, more than 700 killings and 180 forced disappearances have been perpetrated in the country since Mrs. Arroyo came to power 2001 and are continuing unabated.

    The report has been updated since the time of the mission to include latest developments.

    Michael Anthony, AHRC program coordinator and fact-finding mission member, said “to date, the perpetrators of the heinous acts of political killings and forced disappearances enjoy impunity, with few cases being investigated by the authorities and even fewer leading to prosecutions.”

    “There are serious doubts as to the independence and effectiveness of the investigating bodies. It appears, through its inaction, that the government of the Philippines is at best grossly failing to protect its citizens, and at worst may be complicit in an orchestrated campaign of targeted assassination,” he added.

    Anthony stressed this is a serious concern, notably as the Philippines is a member of the United Nations Human Rights Council.

    “Efforts to investigate abuses have thus far been nothing more than smoke-screens. The killings, disappearances, threats and cover-ups must stop and those responsible must be brought to justice,” he noted.

    The report also includes concrete recommendations to the government to assist it in bringing about an end to the crisis.

    Recommendations focus on the establishment of an independent and effective investigative system, a credible witness protection program, the sanctioning of those found responsible, ensuring reparation is provided to the victims and their families, and the cessation of activities that are conducive to the continuation of grave human rights violations in the country.

    Meanwhile, Philippine National Police (PNP) Deputy Director General Avelino Razon Jr. also yesterday belied claims of a leftist human rights group that the number of political killings in the country increased.

    The group Karapatan has claimed that there are 725 cases of political killings, contrary to PNP figures of only 136.

    Razon, in a statement, said the group is peddling lies and distorting facts.

    “The group is adhering to the Nazi propaganda lines of consistent lies, distortion of objective facts, continuous lies and half-truths made popular by Hitler’s propagandist Goebbel during World War II,” he added. PNA

    *****
    This, we will distribute to the AI Japan Chapter, and the members of the Japanese Diet to add to the mounting evidences we have so far submitted to them to refute allegations of no government responsibility and/or culpability in the extrajudicial killings in the Philippines. Sinong niloloko nila? Excuse me!

  64. chi chi

    Mrivera,
    Ninez CO said “One capture does not make for stability”
    Sabi ni Glue Pidal “No more coups with Gringo’s arrest”, which is katawa-tawa.

    Heto pa ang mga “tutugisin” ni Glue, as listed by Tribune.

    “Among those still in hiding are former Navy captain Felix Turingan (his classmate in PMA Class 1971) who carries a P 1 million cash reward on his head; George Duldulao of the Philippine Guardians Brotherhood, Inc. with P 250,000 reward; Virgilio Briones with P 500,000 reward; Romeo Lazaro with P 500,000; Ernesto Macalaya with P 500,000 reward; Lina Reyes with P250,000; and former Army colonel Jake Malajacan with P 1 million reward.”

    *****
    meanwhile, keep on writing poems…they sooth the soul of mga naaapi.

  65. chi chi

    ystakei, ‘yan ang estado ng kapulisan ngayon, sabi nga ni ocayvalle.

  66. norpil norpil

    chi: how much will you give for the capture of gma?

  67. chi chi

    norpil, if gma went to hiding, i can seriously afford $1,000 poor lang kasi ako. i’ll let artsee shoulder the rest of the million dollars reward for her head, hehe!

  68. TonGuE-tWisTeD TonGuE-tWisTeD

    Good question Norphil! Will that question apply to everybody here?

    I pledge my measly P1,000. Yan ang amoy ko pag sinunog mo ako ngayon. Next?

  69. vic vic

    chicken feed lang yan kay art. Well, I still have some balance on my credit card, I can skip the Christmas shopping and match chi’s bounty. artsee can cover the rest for the guys..ok lang art?

  70. TonGuE-tWisTeD TonGuE-tWisTeD

    ‘Bihira naman, naunahan ako ni Chi. Dapat sa maliit muna magsimula, baka matakot yung iba.

    Okey lang kahit piso. Its datot dat kawnts. Hahaha!

  71. TonGuE-tWisTeD TonGuE-tWisTeD

    Magkano kaya ibibigay ni Scalia? baka yung tigsasampung pisong namamagnet!

  72. npongco npongco

    we-will-never-learn Says:

    November 15th, 2006 at 9:07 am

    Mr Defensor is very quiet, in fact you may say he has a tight lip…. or not being fed the script, not before time eh!

    Here’s the answer: Among the Cabinet members, presidential chief of staff Michael Defensor was a member of the Alpha Sigma Fraternity, the same group Honasan and Macahiya had joined at the University of the Philippines, Diliman.

  73. chi chi

    ToungueT & friends,

    Kasama na diyan ang contributions ng lahat ng miembro ng aking angkan, pati na iyong mga patay na :).

  74. norpil norpil

    the question applies to everybody of course. i just asked chi in particular since she cited the tribune.i don’t know if it will be criminal to capture gma even if she’s not wanted nor in hiding. as i have always said i am not a lawyer and i hate guns but i can always give some money for the betterness of the filipinos in general.

  75. Me? I won’t stake even a single yen for the capture of this Bansot. Sayang lang. Ibibigay ko na lang sa mga mahihirap!

    Trabaho ng pulis iyan. Binabayaran sila, magtrabaho sila. Never heard of this award-award in Japan. Meron man, hindi kinukuha sa contribution but through budgets alloted to the police. Bakit mahilig ang mga pilipino sa mga donations! It’s sickening really! Hindi tuloy ako makatulog sa ngitngit sa mga tamad at mayabang sa grupo ni Assperon sipsip!

  76. npongco npongco

    One theory that I consider is that Gringo’s alleged arrest and capture was arranged. First, he had no bodyguard or security personnel other than his driver. Second, instead of moving around like he used to do, he stayed in his mom’s house in Marikina most of the time. He spent time designing furnitures for friends and take bonzai as a hobby.
    All these time, the authorities knew his whereabout. Why was he only now captured?

  77. Frankly, akala ni Bansot naka-score na siya. What she does not realize is that putting people whom the people have considered their champions only add up to her crimes against the people of the Philippines that one of these days she will be made legally responsible for.

    As Leonard Boff has stated, “”There’s a place for satire, but everything has a limit.”

  78. Here’s an e-mail message I received from DANIELLAPEREZ80 via OFW-Vote yahoogroup: (‘daniellaperez80’ is a ‘homonymn’ of the person who signed the e-mail containing a threat to Ellen that her days are numbered).

    —– Original Message —–
    From: daniellaperez80
    To: OFW-Vote@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:11 AM
    Subject: [OFW-Vote] Re: Lots of new voters!!

    With preparations now underway both by the administration and the opposition parties for the May 2007 elections, it is gratifying to know that throngs of new voters are crowding Commission on Elections offices for registration. Such interest being shown by the people, particularly by the young voters, is a boon to our democratic development and implementation. What they demonstrate is the belief
    that the individual citizen has the power to affect the course of national events through the ballot. In our particular case, this is doubly significant-a vindication, you might say-because it makes visible their faith in the sanctity of election as a political exercise, despite the virulence with which the process is denounced by
    some bad losers. According to reports, from early morning hours to late afternoon last Sunday, throngs of students and workers crowded Comelec registration offices all over the country to make certain they could vote in next year’s elections. Needless to say, the May 2007 election is crucial because it will either substantiate or stump out
    our claim to fuller nationhood. Still, these young people cannot just be voters; they should also participate more actively by supporting political parties and candidates or joining interest groups. This way they can learn the nuts and bolts of political affairs and functions of political parties and interest groups at the same time that their presence, and the interest that they represent, are strongly felt. In fact, the coming elections campaign should bring individual participation in decisions that affect us all. It should be both an opportunity and responsibility.

  79. Here’s another one by the same daniellaperez80:

    —– Original Message —–
    From: daniellaperez80
    To: OFW-Vote@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:22 AM
    Subject: [OFW-Vote] Re: No more recriminations

    Needless to say, our country must now move forward and leave behind all the bitterness, recriminations, finger-pointing, personal attacks, and self-righteousness. Indeed, while we can continue to count our blessings compared to countries bloodied by civil wars and violence, such as Sri Lanka, Gaza, Iraq, Bosnia, Kosovo, Liberia, and elsewhere,
    our own immediate neighbors are getting their act together, and are already contemplating the far horizon. While our politicians, status-quo holdouts, and the oligarchy seem determined to stonewall Charter change revising the 1987 Constitution; changing the present presidential system to a parliamentary form; and amend several dated provisos; Brunei Darussalam, which averages US billion from oil
    revenues, is already planning and preparing for a post-oil scenario for Brunei; Malaysia wants to be a First World nation by 2020; China has joined the ranks of world powers; Singapore is re-inventing itself in the light of rapid technological and market developments; South Korea and Thailand have totally recovered from the 1997 Asian
    financial debacle. Undoubtedly, President Arroyo has not only been instrumental in bringing about economic stability through hard work and dogged determination, but has also been reconciliatory with her adversaries whenever advisable for the sake of political stability. In view of the rapid economic reconstruction and sustainable development
    among competitive Asian neighbors, and the worsening violence around the world, we have to do our own thing, simply put, and not wait for the benevolence of others and hard to come by foreign investments.

  80. And here’s the last of the series that daniellaperez80 sent yesterday via OFW-vote group. I wish to point out that the sender of the message below was the ID which my friend pointed out to me in a separate e-mail sometime back as being the ID that Bansot Jr uses in various cybergroups.

    And as you know, the above e-mail ID is the homonymn of the sender of the e-mail Ellen received containing a blunt threat to her life:

    —– Original Message —–
    From: daniellaperez80
    To: OFW-Vote@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 8:27 AM
    Subject: [OFW-Vote] Re: Leading by example

    As always, our government leads by example in using alternative energy sources, perfectly displaying its commitment by using solar power to light up its Christmas decorations. Of course, everyone is still focused on the critical bio-fuels bill which is essential for our
    independence, not to mention progress and growth. Hence, we should follow in our government’s footsteps and actively support and partake in using alternative energy.

  81. hawaiianguy hawaiianguy

    We never learn (haba kasi ng handle mo),

    “producing a complete itemized list of alleged instantces of corruption by members of this administration, their congressmen, AFP, PNP, justice dept, since 2001.”

    Like you, I raised the same issue (or part of it) in a previous thread. Others have also mentioned the need for such list to catalogue the alleged sins of GMA’s clouded regime. That’s one way people will know what has become of politics in RP. Of course, it’s entirely different matter if such list can stand up as evidence in court, as legal minds will confirm. It must be substantiated to prove the allegations. Who knows, the list will nonetheless serve some purpose (at least for you and me). Let me outline what this list (or series of lists) could take-

    1) the 750+ victims who were salvaged or disappeared (who are they? what are the circumstances? (Bayan Muna has a list of its own, for its memebers. How about the other cases?)
    2) the retired generals who were fabulously “rewarded” by GMA since 2001 (who are they, and what rewards did they get?)
    3) the 43 journalists and others sued by FG (Fatso Guy?). (I think this is already available elesewhere.)
    4) anomalous or suspicious contracts entered into, or sealed, by this govt since 2001, with a brief dossier for each and name(s) of those govt men involved in the deal (or no deal, as in the Venable case)
    5) comparative data on pork barrel over the years, SOPs on how “tongressmen” slice up the cake
    6) govt funds appropriated clandestinely for certain pet projects that turned out to be “white elephants” (included here is the list of those who received money from DA’s fertilizer & other agric funds thru JocJoc, also PhilHealth)
    7) comparative list of men/women of honor charged with grievous offenses and those others who were exempted from the charge sheet because they “belong”
    8) picture of corruption in various political eras in RP, as gleaned from certain independent sources (data are now available elsewhere, one needs to synthesize them for brevity)
    9) foreign borrowings since the time of Marcos
    10)other lists of vital importance

    Am dead serious in wanting to see a compilation of such lists as database. Filipinos who do not read newspapers often may also profit from such info. Moreover, am fully aware that such quantification of “sins” will paint a different picture compared to an in-dept analysis without use of statistics.

    Any taker?

  82. hawaiianguy hawaiianguy

    Anna,

    “our country must now move forward and leave behind all the bitterness, recriminations, finger-pointing, personal attacks, and self-righteousness.”

    That admonition is a familiar GMA line, which some bloggers here also tried to advance but without success. You may be surprised that it is not issued without basis. It receives backing from the SWS survey done, if am not mistaken, in March 2006.When the “favorable” results came out from the survey, major Philippine dailies put them in screaming headlines (of course, paid as part of govt propaganda). If you inquire into the history of that survey, however, you will find GMA’s invisible hand behind it, like the failed PIG (People’s Initiative ni Gloria). It was the govt’s PIA (Phil. Information Agency?) which arranged for it and paid for the launching of the survey, including the write-ups.

    I don’t know much money (taken from people’s taxes) was spent for this little-known project to advance a lost cause.

  83. hawaiianguy hawaiianguy

    Sorry, “compared to an in-dept analysis..” in-DEPTH

  84. Hawaiianguy,

    Good of you to point out that familiar GMA line.

    My friend, close to the Pidals was the one who revealed the identity that it was Bansot Jr who was/is masquerading as Daniellaperez80 in the OFW-Vote group. This friend has always been an A1 source.

  85. luzviminda luzviminda

    May negotiations na daw sa pag-surrender ni Gringgo sabi ng ilan sa oposisyon. So more or less alam na talaga nila kung nasaan si Gringgo. Kaso SAYANG ANG 5 MILLION REWARD kung susurender lang siya, kaya TINRAYDOR siya ng gobyerno at CIDG na kilala bilang mga BOUNTY HUNTERS. BUSOG NA NAMAN ANG MGA HASANG NG MGA TULISAN!!! KAILANGANG MAG-INGAT SI GRINGO dahil MAKUKUHA NA NILA ANG REWARD, baka palabasin na TATAKAS siya at ILIGPIT!!! INGAT KA GRINGO, KAILANGAN KA NAMIN!!!

  86. Diego K. Guerrero Diego K. Guerrero

    Pro Gloria Arroyo newspapers, the Philipine Star and Manila Standard are chanting “the other woman angle” that led to the capture of RAM leader Colonel Gregorio Honasan. The same propaganda line when Marine Captain Nick Faeldon was captured.

  87. TonGuE-tWisTeD TonGuE-tWisTeD

    Hawaiianguy, Aloha! If you’re that serious about getting that data, why don’t you setup a specific blog for the purpose. We can help fill you in with some of the details and also people from other blogs who are like-minded. I suggest you shout it here when it’s ready and invite from the other blogs starting with Ellen’s link “Blogs that link here”. Try PCIJ’s blog too, they have links to many of GMA’s critics.

    I think a blog would be a better source than emails as it allows readers, for and against, to proofread the data being submitted along the way. Who knows, you might even be able to publish a bestseller afterwards!

  88. TonGuE-tWisTeD TonGuE-tWisTeD

    Anna, has this daniellaperez80 been sending you emails regularly? When was the last time she did? The reason I ask is she’s probably been informed that her identity and that of Ellen’s digi-terrorist have been linked and she thought she had to cover her tracks by mailing in an entirely different language and temper. She must know very well that you are a familiar name here in Ellen’s and she knows too that you will post it here.

  89. hindinapinoy hindinapinoy

    para sa database…

    A CLOSE-IN aide of former elections commissioner Virgilio Garcillano told a Senate committee today that alleged jueteng lord Rodolfo “Bong” Pineda contributed P300 million to fund President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo’s campaign in 2004.
    http://www.pcij.org/blog/?p=747

  90. hindinapinoy hindinapinoy

    ang database, dapat kompleto….

    EVEN while we were doing corporate searches, we were also following the trail of the houses. The most visible of these was the mansion being built on a half-a-hectare property in exclusive Wack Wack, Mandaluyong, supposedly for presidential mistress Laarni Enriquez. A search of land records at the Mandaluyong registry of deeds yielded the name of KB Space Holdings, the company that owns the property. A subsequent search at SEC then showed that the firm is owned by Jacinto Ng, one of the President’s closest and oldest friends.

    The story would have stopped there, as there appeared to be no proof that either Estrada or Enriquez had purchased the property. But then interviews with residents and officials of Wack Wack would reveal that the President and his mistress were often seen in the area, on occasion inspecting the mansion being built there. Moreover, there was talk of Estrada buying up more properties in the village and elsewhere, including New Manila, Quezon City, where the out-of-this-world “Boracay” mansion, with its white sand, wave machine and heated swimming pool was constructed in late 1999.

    The first challenge was to identify where these properties were located (many individuals were helpful in this regard, as were anonymous tips sent to us by email). Then, we had to find the corresponding land and corporate records to establish ownership. From the beginning, it was clear to us that proving the real ownership of these properties would be problematic. But we also knew that the investigation would not reach a dead end if we were able to show a pattern in their acquisition. As we gathered documentary evidence and spoke with contractors, designers and suppliers familiar with the construction of various mansions as well as residents in the areas where the properties were acquired, a pattern soon became discernible.

    Altogether, we found 17 pieces of real estate in Metro Manila, Tagaytay and Baguio acquired by the President and his various family members since 1998. These properties, by our estimates, total P2 billion. We discovered that most of them were in the name of shell corporations formed by close associates of the President. These include Dante Tan, a major contributor to the Estrada campaign who has been charged with insider trading and price manipulation; Lucio Co, the owner of duty free shops who has been investigated for smuggling; Jaime Dichaves, a long-time presidential crony who has been accused of intervening in the telecommunications industry; Mark Jimenez, former presidential assistant for Latin American affairs who is facing extradition charges in the United States; and Ramon Ang, the vice-chairman of San Miguel Corporation (SMC), who acts as the political broker for SMC chairman and Estrada supporter Eduardo Cojuangco Jr.

    We uncovered the key role played by lawyer Edward Serapio and of the De Borja Medialdea Bello Guevarra & Gerodias law firm in the incorporation of several of the shell companies that fronted for the sale of the properties. We also documented the apparent complicity of the law firm and the Bank of Commerce in the acquisition of a Forbes Park property for presidential daughter Jacqueline Ejercito and her husband Manuel Lopez.

    Moreover, we found a pattern in the use of contractors and project managers for the construction. For example, Centech International, one of the purchasing companies affiliated with SMC, is the project manager for the Wack Wack mansion being built for Enriquez and the Forbes Park, Makati mansion being constructed for Guia Gomez, known as Presidential Wife No. 2. In addition, Kanlaon Construction, a company owned by presidential classmate Antonio Evangelista, was involved in building several of the mansions.

    By examining building plans and photographs, we found that the houses are in a uniformly opulent style and were designed by some of the country’s top architectural and design firms. Enriquez’s Wack Wack mansion, with its beauty parlor, theater, sauna and a living room the size of a hotel lobby, shows the heights of excess to which this construction binge can lead.

    The articles in the section entitled, “Mansions,” show how our investigation unfolded through the months, starting with the most-talked about constructions to the lesser known ones in Tagaytay, Baguio and elsewhere. We were fortunate that by the time we were ready to publish our first mansion story, Ilocos Sur Governor Luis ‘Chavit’ Singson dropped his bombshell about the President receiving payoffs from illegal gambling. By then, the media environment had changed and had become more receptive to investigative reporting on Estrada. The public, too, was hungry for information about the goings on in Malacañang Palace, in part because all these were, for the most part, hidden from public view till then.

    By October 2000, our investigation had a ready and receptive market, even on television, which had previously been wary about reporting critically about the President. By then, more and more individuals were also offering information to us, thus facilitating the publication of more reports. We received tips through email, text messages, phone calls and letters. Some informants even sent us photographs of houses; others provided exact addresses that made the paper chase so much easier. In the end, three of our reports were cited in the impeachment complaint filed by the House of Representatives against the President.

    Sheila S. Coronel
    Executive Director
    http://www.pcij.org/investigate2.html

  91. Tongue,

    Good observation…

    I received the above series of e-mail – one after the other last night – last night but I opened them only last night.

    She’s probably read Ellen’s blog and good on Bansot Jr.

    We’ll see what she’s up to next.

  92. Hawaiianguy,

    I second Tongue’s motion… go for the data base re Gloria Pidal and company. I’m sure frieds here will fill you in on whatever Gloria data we have.

    Let’s get cracking!

  93. luzviminda luzviminda

    As for the supposed reward for GMA… ako, magko-contribute ako para sa PAGSAMPA NG KASO kay GMA sa INTERNATIONAL COURT for HER CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY. Gaya ng kaso kay Rumsfeld. MAS MALALA ANG MGA KRIMEN NI DEMONIC GMA AGAINST THE FILIPINO PEOPLE AND THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY DAHIL ISA SIYANG IMPOSTOR. SHE IS NOT THE PRESIDENT OF THE PHILIPPINES!!! SHE HAS ORDERED A LOT OF PEOPLE KILLED AND STILL IS…AND SQUANDERED PEOPLE’S MONEY AND STILL IS. DAPAT UMPISAHAN NANG SAMPAHAN NG KASO ITONG PEKENG PANGULO NA ITO NGAYON PA LANG!!! Then, mag-aambag ako!!!

  94. TonGuE-tWisTeD TonGuE-tWisTeD

    Anna, what I meant was, was this the first time she sent you emails? If so, then she is indirectly admitting it was her who sent Ellen the email. Otherwise, she would not have responded through you, since she or her paid brigaders know perfectly that you are a major contributor here. Its actually a cowardly act ‘cuz what she should have done if were were wrongly accusing her was to make a strong denial here that she and the stalker are the same.

    Or is she just playing with you? us?

  95. pandawan pandawan

    Was Gringo trying to surrender but got caught. Or was it a case of an intelligent and coordinated police work?
    I have always believed that the only way for him to get caught is if he wants to get caught.

  96. chi chi

    Anna,
    Just read these emails from daniellaperez80, and all three were identical in tone, gov’t office praise release style.
    Ang tingin ko ay napikon kay Ellen at sa blog comments kaya naging sloppy forgetting that it is not really difficult to trace her. No doubt,this “thingy” has just been identified. Ang galing mong profiler!

  97. Chi,

    Mukhang nagkamali ng pangalan si Ninez. Ang alam kong nasa wanted list ay si Ernesto Macahiya, not Ernesto Macalaya. Nagbago na ba siya ng apelyido para makalaya siya?

  98. Hawaiianguy,

    Rest assured that the 750 or more victims of the extra-judicial killings are well accounted for. Evidences are instact. AI Japan has actually submitted the list to the members of the Japanese Diet here for review especially in connection with Japanese ODA to the Philippines with request to identify the projects financed with such ODA for which the Filipino victims have been eliminated.

    If we ever meet, I will give you a copy.

  99. Luzviminda:

    Me, too, kung sa pagsampa ng kaso laban sa mga hinayupak na mag-asawa, magbibigay ako ng abuloy, pero para sa mga pulis na dapat silang hulihin, no way! Trabaho nila iyan. May nakasampa na sa ICJ laban kay Bansot, ang kaso niya sa Iraq at ngayon ay iyong isasampa ng Permanent People’s Tribunal for the Philippines laban kay Pandak, asawa niya at iba pang mga kasabwat niya. Remember Pinochet, etc. Iyan ang mangyayari sa kaniya.

  100. TongueT:

    Letters of Bansot Jr. that Anna has received are in the OFW egroups such as OFW-Vote, OFW-Gov., etc. I am also subscribed to these egroups, but I have set my subscription to read on Web only because of the viruses, bugs, and worms being distributed by the Bansot’s Internet Brigade. I can identify a number of them in this blog as a matter of fact. I understand that a number of our fellow bloggers here have actually received these viruses, etc. lately even by accessing the Tribune’s site to discourage them from accessing Tribune online.

    Dito naman sa blog ni Ellen, when attacked, we cannot get into it because of some registry hacking that can actually be prevented with some spyware application, etc. Kung sa kahayupan, diyan pihadong magaling si Bansot and company. Ang galing nga kasi sa pula sa puti pa ang dating noong mga brigade niya. Marami nga dito ang naswi-swindle nila.

  101. Anna:

    Here’s my reply to one of the posts of the alleged Bansot Jr.:

    — In OFW-Vote@yahoogroups.com, “YST” wrote:

    —– Original Message —–
    From: daniellaperez80
    To: OFW-Vote@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:11 AM
    Subject: [OFW-Vote] Re: Lots of new voters!!

    With preparations now underway both by the administration and the opposition parties for the May 2007 elections, it is gratifying to know that throngs of new voters are crowding Commission on Elections offices for registration. Such interest being shown by the people, particularly by the young voters, is a boon to our democratic development and implementation.

    —-snip—

    Registration in Japan for instance was a dismal show according to my source at the Philippine Embassy in Tokyo. This time, I decided to stay out of the OAV registration. So, who says that there are lots of new voters in line?
    Is this a prelude to another massive cheating in 2007?

    Kaya nga hindi na interesado ang mga OFW dito sa Japan e. Puro dayaan lang naman daw!

    People here are fed up of the propaganda, and the cheating. What majority of Filipino voters here want now is for the bogus president to be disqualified, removed and arrested for cheating in the 2004 election.

    Of course, the daughter will say, it is an allegation. So, why is there no investigation to prove who is telling the truth or lies? The majority of the Filipinos who want to see the bogus president, her husband and their cohorts in jail for the rest of their lives, or those spreading such propaganda as the above?

    Nice try, Lulli! I don’t know how many of the subscribers here still believe you. It’s really pathetic!

    BTW, how are you related to the Danie11perez80@… who sent Ellen Tordesillas of Malaya a death threat?

    Just curious,

    PATALSIKIN NA, NOW NA!
    DiYumu Yuko

    — End forwarded message —

  102. To subscribe to the above egroup, send an email to the Moderators at OFW-Vote-subscribe@yahoogroups.com unless you would rather want to be free of getting incensed by the propaganda posted by the Bansot Jr Anna’s friend parades as Daniellaperez80.

    You will note that Perez was the family name of the guy people in the Philippines say was romantically linked with the Bansot that I, myself, found unbelievable because I thought it was bad taste, or rather, one who links up sexually, romantically, etc. with this crook must have real bad taste!

    Huwag mong sabihin TongueT that this Daniellaperez80 was a product of this tryst?

  103. Ooops, sorry but this should read: …unless you would rather want to be free of getting incensed by the propaganda posted by the Bansot Jr Anna’s friend SAYS parades as Daniellaperez80.

  104. myrna myrna

    Ystakei, naunahan mo lang ako re Bansot Jr’s daniellaperez pseudonym hehehhe. Sorry, ngayon lang kasi ako nakapagbasa ng mga entries, pero when I thought about it, aba, talagang pinanindigan na ang apelyidong Perez ha!

    Ano kaya, may bigote rin si Luli??? 🙂

  105. we-will-never-learn we-will-never-learn

    Hawaiianguy:
    Ive been out of town and just got back. Read your idea of the type of listed items to collate.
    When i’m in the provences talking to ‘ordinary’ people who’s minds are focused of finding food for the family table we must excuse them for not studying news items. I speak to these people and even when I brought up the subject of Joc Joc Bolante their reply was ‘who’s this Joc Joc Bolante’. If citizens of this country are unaware of the corruption going on around them agaist them, then how much more are the International Community unaware of the details of the unending corruption.
    When I see comments from bloggers that people are not interested its not true, because bloggers read the latest news and updates all the time. These ‘ordinary people’ applaud these congressmen who erect basketball nets in their favourite school for a few hundred peso when all the time we know that its peanuts thats being spent.

  106. we-will-never-learn we-will-never-learn

    These ‘ordinary people’ are part of the electorate and if they dont really know the extent of the corruption then who do they vote for ‘the gongressman who erected the basketball net costing a few hundred peso’.
    What’s more is that if the ‘ordinary people’ don’t realize that this corruption is effecting their ability to put food on the family table, then how can we expect the world of the International Community to know also. Its proven that this administartion take notice of the International Community as in the last few days they have scolded them about the exta judicial killings, how much more when its mass corruption also.

  107. artsee artsee

    Sa nangyari, kasalanan din ni Honasan kasi hindi niya Pinunasan ang paa niya. At saka noon ko pa sinabi sa kanya noon na sa mansion ko na lang sa Alabang siya magtago. Matigas ang ulo kasi. Di bale, bahala na si Pareng Erap sa kanya. Eto nga’t tumawag sa akin si Tito Sotto at humihingi ng tulong.

  108. we-will-never-learn we-will-never-learn

    When the surveys talk about corruption and where we are in the list of countries they don’t give itemised details and who’s involved. Nobody in this administrations gives a fig about surveys; they already said so many times. But if the details and who were involved were revealed then they would sit up and take notice.
    As been said nobody seems to have a list of these people who have been executed, more than 730 last I remember our minds have become a blurr.
    For sure we have to think of other ways to enlighten the many people who for one reason or another are unable to keep up with the daily killings and corruption scams.

  109. kitamokitako kitamokitako

    I agree that many people do not know about these killings and corruption or whatever scams in govt. Many in the Phil still do not have access to computers. Internet cafes can be availed of, but i doubt if they will spend their time on the net googling the political landscape in the country, as their time are very limited and have to pay by the hour.

    Also, in my hometown in the province, the only newspaper i was able to get hold of when i went there was Philstar, a pro Glue newspaper. I could not get hold of Malaya or The Daily Tribune which are the only papers i read. Maybe somebody close to the Pidals are buying these papers in my hometown. That could be their way to keep the people ignorant of their crimes.

  110. we-will-never-learn we-will-never-learn

    kitamokitako:
    When I stayed in the provinces for awhile without the use of a PC I asked for and insisted that a Tribune be delivered each day (sorry about that Ellen – Smile) and the guy delivering the paper asked me why did I read the Tribune!

  111. fencesitter fencesitter

    nelbar Says:
    “fencesitter:
    Kung sino pa ang nagtatanggol ng kapakanan ng sambayanan ay siya ang kinukulong.
    Kitang-kita naman na si Erap noong 1998 na hinalal ng nakararaming Pilipino ay siya pa ang nagdudusa sa Tanay.”

    nelbar, “sino ang nagtatanggol ng kapakanan ng sambayanan” is highly debatable. anybody doing this and that can always claim he or she is doing it for a higher noble purpose of public service (PR purposes) when in reality he is only doing that for self-enrichment. one classic example is a politician sponsoring one infrastructure project in his or her district, it would look very much like the politician gave them a big favor without the people knowing the politician has already lined his pockets out of the fat commission he already received because of the project (read PCIJ’s book Pork and Other Perks). that is a regular format line most politicians have adopted as mantra to gather more votes, because it has so much appeal to the emotions than to one’s intellect. since the same mantra is repeated every election without proof the politicians have fulfilled previous solemn promise, it is about time wary and discriminating voter should take any election promise as a mere grain of salt.

    did you not hear GMA professing so many times she is doing things only for the good of the country? At one point she even declare she is God-sent and that God has spoken to her in every decisions she made for the country. It amuses me when i read in the newspaper Bishop Cruz remarked, the only people he knew claiming they talked to God are those confined in an institution. Bishop Cruz was not GMA’s admirer so I was not surprised to hear a cruel remark like that even from a man of cloth.

    doing it purely for public service to the poor? GMA likewise did claim similar to that even before Erap did. I know her to be hardworking bureaucrat at the DTI, then headed by joe concepcion. but when she started introducing a dance production number in her campaign sorties and acted and copy the looks of nora aunor when she ran for a senate seat, i know that could deliver her winning votes (I was even accurate in my prediction because in fact she became a top-notch senator landing first). but i took that as a bad omen and gave me the idea of what kind of a politician she would become. i think she could dance gracefully, but unfortunately for her, i do not consider being a graceful dancer one qualifications of a good public servant, much more a president of the republic. i honestly believe that this country’s complex problem will not be solved after a night of ball-room dancing by the country’s top executive and the members of her cabinet anymore than a night of drinking spree can. Of course, no dancing ever took place in the palace and GMA should be rightfully credited if only for that.

    i am not saying that show-biz people cannot be good public servants. there are some who showed they are deserving of the office. genrally though, in my own opinion (you can even accuse me of being bias), most of them are dismal failure. Their official records are available so it is up for you to scrutinize them and classify them according to the group where they rightfully belong.

    on Erap’s incarceration. the fact that Erap, of all the president elected into office, got the highest number of votes is not an issue. what an absolute trust reposed on him by the Filipino electorate, then I thought, as a token of gratitude of that trust, he should have worked hard and deliver the promises he made to the marginalized sector who have bet everything to make him their president. he squandered that rare opportunity given him. he barely warmed his seat in malacañang when his presidency was rocked by scandals, coming one after the other. for sure, some were contrived and invented by his political enemies watching closely his every move and magnifying a small single steps he made to make it look like the highest mountain peak. but it is also undeniable that more serious mistakes can be attributed to him as well and he should be made answerable for that as well. for a well-documented articles of Erap’s wrong-doing, it is easy for you to read PCIJ report in its website and attempt to challenge their allegations one by one. i have read most of those with an open mind although the integrity of the journalist behind it can hardly be questioned as well.

    justice in its simplest form demands that even if the whole world elected one into office and the latter kill another in cold-blood, the killer is still a criminal and should be dealt with the full force of the law. That is as simple as it gets.

    he is being detained, of all places, in his resort in Tanay, not for garnering the highest number of votes but for a charge of plunder. that is not to say Erap is guilty of anything. He was given his day in court amidst serious charges coming from his camp about the court’s biases and prejudices. For regular law practitioners, outburst like that in court are routine punch line one can hear on a daily basis coming from either party and should not be taken seriously. Counsels are given by the law and procedure enough lee-ways to challenge every move in the trial. That is the reason, that case has drag on for so many years.

    i haven’t seen any single piece of evidence against Erap already admitted in court, but believe me you should trust the integrity and probity of the justices handling the case. Both parties have already rested their cases. For all you know, Erap will be acquitted, but there is a possibility he will be convicted, too. If you will ask me, I think it would be to the best interest of the country to put a period to it after the court shall have rendered its decision and move forward. But since the country looks like it is eternally divided, I am afraid a polarized society could probably explode, either way the court decide. Abangan!

    Oh! by the way, nelbar, my only misgiving about this whole sordid affair is that, if by any chance, one of us –it could be you or me- have a brush with the law involving capital offense in the future, God forbid! do not ever entertain the idea of a confinement in your own house or resort if you own one while your case in being tried, nor could you ever ask for a furlough to visit your sick relatives at home, or bury a dead wife like what happened to one of that five farmer in laguna confined in tagaytay jail for merely trying to join a rally in manila but was intercepted in south expressway and charged for murder they did not commit. You and I and the poor farmers jailed in tagaytay have no mass following that could mount a rally big enough to make a big dent on the political stability of the government of whoever is the occupant of malacañang, if our wishes are not granted. I thought the constitution guarantees equality of all persons before the law (section 1, article III).

    don’t go even farther, look at what happened to atong ang yesterday and you will easily understand what I mean.

    Ganon din ang kasundaluhan na naghahanap lang ng katotohanan, katarungan at katiwasayan ng bansa?

    really? nelbar, are you not referring to the same military establishment who betrayed and dumped Erap for good in the name of truth, justice and welfare of the country not so long time ago while they stand before a throng of chanting mob in EDSA? that line sounds really like and old song running out of tune. if I will accept your proposition as valid, then no supreme civilian authority can ever survive longer than a month in office after election before a small group of armed military can successfully unseat the president in power. Even in the military or police establishments where strict discipline is the basic foundation that hold it closely from disintegration, there will always be faction for or against any sitting president. If the rule is otherwise, we can easily change this country into a banana republic overnight. There are other far-reaching and undesirable consequences that go with it, I will leave it to you to decipher.

    Now after GMA and the next president to be installed by people power or elected by the Filipino electorate (whichever comes first) happens to be the apple of your eye, shall we change the rule? You maybe disappointed to learn later after a president pleasing to you is installed in malacañang, a more vicious and ruthless critics are there ready waiting in ambush immediately after inauguration. vicious cycle too, is it not?

    how the military should behave, the opening paragraph of justice tenga in a case gudani vs. senga (august 15, 2006) is very instructive and I invite you to read it:

    “A most dangerous general proposition is foisted on the Court –that soldiers who defy orders of their superior officers are exempt from the strictures of military law and discipline if such defiance is predicated on the act otherwise valid under civilian law. Obedience and deference to the military chain of command and the President as commander-in-chief are the cornerstone of a professional military in the firm cusp of civilian control. These values of obedience and deference expected of military officers are content-neutral, beyond the sway of the officer’s own sense of what is prudent or rash, or more elementally, of right or wrong. A self-righteous military invites itself as the scoundrel’s activist solution to the “ills” of participatory democracy.”

    “he should face it fair and square even if it costs him days in jail”
    bakit hindi mo iparating dun sa mag-asawang impostor na nasa Malakanyang at sa mga alipores nito?

    did you know that Nelson Mandela has to endure 27 long years of incarceration before he finally became south African President? Wow! Those long and wasted years, Mandela did not regret spending his time, simply because of his firm clutched to something most could not appreciate today, a vanishing virtue everybody call –“principle”.

    ninoy aquino did not even chicken out nor hid when he was peppered with trump-up charges by his most formidable enemy, who was then well-entrenched in Malacañang, to break his spirit and ruin his reputation as a politician. And by the way, Ellen even has to brave death threats and libel suit to answer a duty demanded of her calling as a journalist and that is simply –to inform the public of the truth in its original and unadulterated form. Aren’t their selfless acts heroic worthy of emulation?

    nelbar, you don’t have to underestimate your own capability by shifting the burden on me of informing the tenants in malacañang how bad they had been treating the country. for all you know, your opinion could be more potent than mine. if your own postings can be used as an accurate gauge of your ability to denounce official wrong-doings, it seems to me you can speak loud enough in decibel so strong it could easily break the ear drums of your listeners in malacañang. but putting more substance to it can be your real challenge.

    for my part, i assure you, d don’t have to hide my identity under the cloak of anonymity this blog conveniently offers. i have my own access to the broadsheets to ventilate my own grievances against stupid governmental policies and trust me i can argue my cause as clear as crystal.

    Ipinagtatanggol dapat ng mga abogado ay iyong interes ng sambayanan at hindi iyong iligal na nasa Malakanyang!

    nelbar, read between lines of my postings. who is defending whom? i hate chorus and I don’t find the etch of spewing additional venom enough to kill an enemy when there is enough of it in this blog. if you failed to put a clear demarcation line between personal attack and an attack of valid issues in every thread here open for discussion, search your consciousness and shred yourself of the hero-worship you obviously show. you can be more objective in your view of events as they happen and accurately read fellow bloggers mind from his own writings if you look at issues with open mind. bigots and zealots always become prisoners of their mistaken beliefs. loosen up, it could help us grow!

    and you honestly believe an obscure and mediocre lawyer like me is worth malacañang’s hundred thousand or even million pesos worth of legal advice? dead wrong premise you made. i assure you, even assuming if given a very rare and remotest chance, i won’t dare give it even a day’s try if only to get free advertisement because of the media mileage and hype that an office in malacañang afford. i value my own privacy and i wont trade that for a few pieces of gold. now i am giving away so much of me.

  112. npongco npongco

    As long as Erap is detained at Tanay, the longer this Gloria stays in Malacanang. And while this Gloria is in power, Erap will not be acquitted. If there’s some signs of acquittal, she will make sure that the decision is delayed. All these are written on the wall. Like Marcos, Erap trusted his friends too much. Who would ever thought of a compadre, drinking and gambling partner betraying him? I’m referring to Singson. For Marcos, who would expect his own cousin Ramos and long time cabinet member Enrile betraying him too? GMA learned this lesson. She has played her card so well. She placed her trusted people in all agencies and departments; but when she sensed a bit of disloyalty, she immediately replaced them.

  113. nelbar nelbar

     
    From Patriot Post(Insight):

     
     

    “Without struggle, there is no progress.” —-Frederick Douglass

     
     

    “The first qualification for a historian is to have no ability to invent.” —-Marie Henri Beyle, a.k.a. Stendhal

     

  114. Spartan Spartan

    npongco…tama ka, dahil sa mga “natutunan” ni gloria sa mga nagdaang “kasaysayan”, NAPAKA-TUSO ng ale. Pero, alam naman nating lahat, kung Hesukristo ay pinag-Hudasan…si gloria pa kaya at ang “Free Willy” niyang “watot”? It’s just a matter of time…and of course the most important “lure”, IF THE PRICE IS RIGHT! 😉

  115. nelbar nelbar

    ystakei:

    Meron naibalita kanina sa ANC News Morning na pati mga taga Trece Martires, Cavite ay nakatanggap ng Tsunami alert. Ang problema ay halos alas kwatro na ng madaling araw natanggap ang balita mula sa isang SMS message.

    Sana ay ina-update din ng NDCC ang mga taga media lalo na sa ganitong klaseng babala.

     

  116. Myrna: “Ano kaya, may bigote rin si Luli??? 🙂 ”

    *****
    This reminds me of a Filipino I interpreted for in a Japanese court. She was caught selling shabu and when his lawyer and I visited him, I was surprised seeing the beard growing on her face. Sabi ko sa kaniya, “Hindi ka na kailangang magbenta ng shabu to earn. Puede kang pumasok sa circus bilang ‘babaing may balbas!'” Then she said, “Ate, sa totoo lang dati akong lalaki. Nagpaopera na nga lang ako alang-alang sa Mr. ko, pero nang magpatanggal ako, saka naman siya nawalan ng pagmamahal sa akin. Napilitan tuloy akong magbenta ng gamot para makuha ko ulit ang loob niya!” Susmarya. Mas gusto ng Mr. daw niya nang hindi pa siya nagpapatanggol ng etits niya! Bakla din pala ang Mr. niya!

    Ang dami kong name-meet na mga pilipino sa trabaho ko. Iba’t iba ang kaso at ginagawang kabalbalan sa Japan. Hindi tuloy maging proud na ipinanganak ako sa Pilipinas lalo na dahil kay Pandak! Nakakaiyak! 😡

  117. Mrivera Mrivera

    pandawan Says:

    November 16th, 2006 at 5:36 am

    Was Gringo trying to surrender but got caught. Or was it a case of an intelligent and coordinated police work?

    pandawan, kahit kailan ay hindi nagkaroon ng intelligent and coordinated police work, even military operationS armed with a reliable and confirmed intelligence report (A1 source). almost all operations of both agencies are relying on EWAN information. kita n’yo nga, karamihan PALPAK!!

  118. Mrivera Mrivera

    ystakei, nasaan? nasaan? nasaan ang etits na tinanggal? hwaaaaaaah! bakwet? nakwo, sayang! aaaayyy! diyus pu day!

  119. Mrivera Mrivera

    No more coups with Gringo’s arrest—GMA

    11/16/2006

    Malacañang yesterday cashed in on the arrest of former Sen. Gregorio “Gringo” Honasan, using his capture to generate the impression that President Arroyo and her government have achieved political stability, saying the days of coup attempts are over with Honasan’s arrest.

    Executive Secretary Eduardo Ermita said that with Honasan’s capture, the coup threats have come to an end, believing that the former senator is the mastermind of the 2001 Oakwood mutiny and the foiled coup last February.

    Ermita said: “We are very unbeat. We are hopeful that all these coup rumors would stop. I hope we have witnessed the last coup attempt, that this (arrest) will be the end of it.

    Asked about the effect of Honasan’s arrest on the idealist groups of the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) who are feared to be his sympathizers, Ermita said the incident will not create any restiveness among the soldiers.

    “When he was first captured (after the 1987 coup), it did not create any sympathy among the soldiers but it catapulted him to the Senate,” Ermita said.

    But it was after his capture that he staged the most serious coup attempt that almost succeeded.

    Malacañang also denied any knowledge on any ongoing negotiation for the surrender of Honasan, as disclosed yesterday by former Sen. Vicente “Tito” Sotto.

    The accusation was that the arrest was made despite the ongoing negotiations between Honasan’s camp and the government through Department of Transportation and Communications (DoTC) Secretary Leandro Mendoza.

    “I doubt it. Maybe he has plans to surrender but the Palace was not aware of it. The President is not aware of any negotiation,” he said.

    Later, Ermita retracted his statement by claiming that perhaps Honasan was not really sincere in surrendering as he tried to evade arrest yesterday, causing his injury.

    The Palace said it has every intention to go after Honasan’s coddlers regardless of their status in the society.”We are very interested in knowing them. The government will pursue the cases against these people,” Ermita said.

    Press Secretary Ignacio Bunye said Mrs. Arroyo commended the police operatives who conducted the arrest operation and described it as “another milestone that brings to a close a broad conspiracy to destabilize the government and is a harbinger of growing political stability underlying steady economic growth,” Bunye said.

    The Palace spokesman also urged the other companions of Honasan to surface and face their charges.

    “No one can make a mockery of the law by playing hide and seek with our law enforcement agencies, and get away with it. We call on Honasan’s companions to come out and face the music. They will be accorded due process like any other Filipino and there is no need for any quarter to cry persecution. Let the evidence be presented against him and let the courts decide his fate,” he said.

    Justice chief Raul Gonzalez, for his part, said Honasan had been wanting to come in from the cold before Christmas, ending his nine month evasion of law enforcement authorities who had indicted him for his alleged part in the Feb. 24 attempt to oust Mrs. Arroyo.

    He told reporters that the former senator will likely be jailed in the Philippine National Police Special Action Force Training School (PNP-SAF-TS) custody house in Sta. Rosa Laguna.

    “Surrender feelers have been going on for (sometime)… when I was in a few days stay in Tagaytay I was approached there by a former military officer. Less than one month ago, I was approached by a retired general. Obviously I think he must have been so tired of running around.” Gonzalez said, adding that the agency is yet to decide whether the persons who gave succor to Honasan could be charged for coddling the lawmaker.

    The DoJ chief said Honasan’s “fingerprints” were also all over the Magdalo group’s bombing runs in Metro Manila that ended with the arrest of Magdalo members in Quezon City last July. “Everything that happened after Oakwood, he’s involved),” he said.

    With Honasan’s arrest, Gonzalez said the former senator’s chances of freedom are now “limited” to two options: acquittal or general amnesty to all rebels.

    Reacting to the Honasan arrest, senators yesterday closed ranks as they rallied behind him, calling on the administration to accord him treatment due him as a former lawmaker even in the face of charges against him. At the same time, they warned the administration against a possible mishandling of the case, especially if there is no evidence that can be proven in court, without any reasonable doubt that he indeed committed a crime.

    One of them cited the possibility of Honasan soliciting sympathy from the ranks of those in the Armed Forces, considering that he continues to have loyal followers within the military, that could trigger a new round of instability in the country.

    Majority Leader Francis Pangilinan and Minority Leader Aquilino Pimentel Jr. led their colleagues in challenging the administration to show its “goods” against Honasan before the public.

    Failure on the administration’s part to do so would only bolster public perception that the government is engaging again in political harassment which may prove disastrous especially if it translates to further erosion of the people’s trust and confidence on the government, they said.

    “The challenge to the administration is to immediately present clear and convincing evidence that Honasan has been involved in illegal acts. If it fails to do so, its actions will receive little public support and it loses out on the propaganda war,” Pangilinan said.

    Pimentel said Honasan has found himself in trouble with the law not because of self-serving motives but because of his noble aspirations for the Filipino nation.

    Honasan’s former comrade in the military, Senators Rodolfo Biazon and Panfilo Lacson along with Senate President Manuel Villar Jr. and Sen. Miriam Defensor-Santiago, reminded the administration to respect his rights on the presumption of innocence.

    “Whether one is the former senator or plain farmer, a citizen facing charges is accorded rights according to the law. These include the presumption of innocence, to speedy trial, to medical attention which the case of Greg should be extended to him by his physician of choice,” Villar said.

    Biazon who stood against Honasan in the latter’s failed coup attempts during the late 80s when he was the AFP chief of staff, in a press conference stressed that care must be taken that there is no persecution, but a prosecution of the cases filed “considering that this event could suppress the effects of the rumblings that are still there or it could trigger something more that everyone would not welcome.”

    “Honasan still has sympathizers not only out of the military but also in the military,” he told reporters in reiterating the need for the government, the judiciary to pursue a swift resolution of the filed cases through the judicial process which must be public.

    “For example, There is a feeling of injustice being committed against the Marines being incarcerated in Fort Bonifacio and in Cavite Naval Base because when I talked to them, I asked them if their statements were taken in the investigation and they said it had not yet been taken and only the statement of one colonel of the Marines, a certain Col. Jonathan Martir was the basis of the arrest and incarceration.

    “Here, there might be a parallel, it seems that the only piece of evidence which was used as a basis of the warrant of arrest of Honasan was that of Second Lt. Lawrence San Juan. It is possible also that if there were talks involving high officials, the arresting officials may not know it,” he said.

    Biazon said claims that Honasan was in Manila because of ongoing supposed “exploratory talks” and if not handled properly could be a perception by some of a “double cross.”

    Lacson, for his part, dismissed charges of a doublecross of Honasan, saying that it’s mere speculation. “He was caught, period.”

    Santiago, a staunch Palace ally, pointed out that Malacañang should ensure having the necessary evidence to support the charges against Honasan, otherwise, President Arroyo would be in for a major public humiliation.

    Lawmakers, from both the opposition and the administration yesterday crossed party lines in calling for a fair trial and humane treatment for the former senator.

    House Minority Leader Francis Escudero (NPC, Sorsogon) House Majority Leader Rep. Prospero Nograles (Lakas, Davao City) said Honasan’s arrest would be an opportunity for the senator to answer the charges against him including hi alleged part in the Oakwood mutiny of the members of the Magdalo soldiers.

    Parañaque City Rep. Roilo Golez said that Honasan’s detention would not in any way affect his political fortunes and that he would win the senatorial elections, just like the last time.

    coup? ano ‘yun? kelan ba nagkaroon ng balak na coup? pasakay na naman sa mga tao, oo. huwag lang hindi magkaroon ng kunwari ay matinong aksiyon. matino nga ba?

    ang mga naglambiting unggoy sa mga palupuhan ng malakanyang ang nagpapakalat ng coup na ‘yan! sarap coup’tusan!

  120. hawaiianguy hawaiianguy

    Tongue-T,
    “If you’re that serious about getting that data, why don’t you setup a specific blog for the purpose.” Yup, and will try to set it up soon. Meanwhile, I got to learn how to do it. (Tried it once, but my blog didn’t fly. I couldn’t figure out to write the next entry. Even my handle here doesn’t link to my blog, “Hawaiianguy,” wondering why.) Will a samaritan tutor come forward?

    Hindinapinoy, your idea sounds good. Maybe we should do it one at a time. Besides, Erap’s glory is now past; let’s de-glorify that lady who lives on the power that doesn’t belong to her.

  121. we-will-never-learn we-will-never-learn

    hawaiianguy & TonGue-tWisTed
    If you can wait until this week-end a blog will be up and running

  122. Re: Fencesitter’s take

    I agree with Fencesitter’s take on the tenet that civilian authority rules supreme over the military component of a democratic republic. This should be the absolute rule – particularly in a working democracy!

    Having said that, there is a general caveat: it is the moral duty and responsibility of the military top brass to CALL the attention of the civilian authority to what ails the military establishment with the purpose of correcting that ‘ailment’, be it in whatever domain that’s within the scope of the military even through media when everything else has failed.

    Failure to do so would be gross negligence in the performance of their sworn oath: to look after the morale and welfare of the officers and men of the military who are expected to perform their duty in keeping the enemies of the State at bay and to see to it that their troops are made to perform the tasks expected of them within the scope of their military duties to the people first and foremost.

    Should the military top brass fail in the performance of that moral duty and responsibility, these members of the top brass should be held accountable and duly called to task. On that score, I believe that Generals Gudani and Lim did their duties when they apprised the Senate and their CSAFP respectively of the facts concerning the morale and welfare of their respective troops.

    That they now are made to suffer the consequence of doing what they believe is right in the performance of those tasks may not be morally right, I do agree that it is part and parcel of the risks military officers run in the course of their service to the nation. It is actually up to the civilian population, to media, to the intellectuals, to law groups to come to their succor so that these officers may keep the democratic tenet – civilian uthority rules supreme over the military – ALIVE and WORTHWHILE.

  123. Mrivera Mrivera

    TonGuE-tWisTeD Says: “Magkano kaya ibibigay ni Scalia? baka yung tigsasampung pisong namamagnet!”

    he he he he heh!!

    style ni pidol?

  124. we-will-never-learn we-will-never-learn

    Anna:
    I think your based in europe so you will have seen the advantage of separation of military with a civilian police service ( you will notice the word service used and not the word force ).
    It makes a world of difference when the military are there for the proper reason, to secure the countyry from invasion with the police controlling all civil matters.
    If you look at the PNP website the important links for information fail to work. Conpare it, say, to the London Metropolitan Police website not only does all there links work but there is an in-depth link giving their policy on demonstrations.
    Keystone Cops was when cinema goers roared with laughter – thats until the PNP came along. Some PNP want title to be known by their civilian rank while other PNP insist to be known by their military title. Its a laugh.

  125. npongco npongco

    Spartan, I would prefer someone who is loyal and faithful than one who is an opportunist be he with the administration or opposition. I want someone who’s consistent and who sticks to his principles. Unfortunately, such people are rare breed these days.

  126. luzviminda luzviminda

    With the capture of Gringo, the issue about the Oakwood Mutiny will resurface. And the people should know the REAL REASONS WHY OUR PATRIOTIC MAGDALO SOLDIERS WENT ON A ‘MUTINY’. One reason is the ‘GREENBASE DOCUMENT’. It is about the bombings in Mindanao which the government is the one really responsible, where innocent people were killed and injured. Read it in- http://www.sundalo.bravehost.com

  127. Wow, akala ni Bansot safe na siya na wala lang magrereklamo sa mga ginagawa niya komo nahuli na niya si Gringo na akala mo naman siya lahat ang may kasalanan ng pagkamatay ng 750 more na sinabi ng Karapatan na pinapatay niya!

    Aba, ang kumag kung saan-saan na naman nagtatalumpati ng mga kabulastugan niya.

    Nice try, Bansot! We make sure that international pressure will be stronger as long as she is sitting there at the throne at the palace by the murky river, and own to her responsibilities to the Filipino people for cheating on them. We should not forget that she has robbed Filipinos of their right to choose the kind of officials they want to lead them, not enslave them.

    In short, this DOROBO should be kicked out of the palace by the murky river, by all means soon!!! 😡

  128. Anna, thanks for the Daniellaperez80 letters in the OFW yahoo group.

  129. chi chi

    M/Nagtatalumpati ang BOBA sa Vietnam. May naniniwala naman kaya? Magkakalat na naman!

  130. As you have seen, there were porn postings. My administrator said those are spams. he said Akismet, my anti-spam mechanism blocks 97 percent of them. Those are part of the three percent na nakakalusot.

    I’m sorry that I can’t immediately erase it because I’m not in front of the computer 24 hours a day.

    pagpasensyahan nyo na.

  131. hawaiianguy hawaiianguy

    we-will-never-learn,

    “If you can wait until this week-end a blog will be up and running ” C000L! Tell us the link once it is set up.

  132. Kapihan Sa Senado : Senator Rodolfo G Biazon Transcript
    November 16, 2006 10:30am Senate Lounge

    I

    am thinking what is the reason for the warrant of arrest last February , which led to the arrest of Sen Honasan , I wonder if there is a thorough investigation of the case because as of now, I was not yet called to give an account. I should expect that my statement would be sought because Senator Sotto and myself were there..and this case sprung out of that event – the so called Oakwood incident. I wonder what is the charge against Sen Honasan, is it rebellion, mutiny, coup d etat, sedition, insurrection? This has yet to be explained to the public.

    I think my testimonies would be material since I was there in the early morning of that day and it was me, who called up Senator Honasan to help prevent a bloodshed among soldiers because when I saw what was happening in Makati that morning I decided to go there for one purpose alone – to prevent bloodshed among soldiers..

    On the way to Oakwood from home, the first person I called was Sen Drilon and told him I was going to Oakwood to prevent bloodshed..then I called Sen Angara, the Party President that the three of us belonged to, and I told Angara the same thing, THEN I CALLED UP SEN HONASAN AND SAID GREG I AM GOING TO OAKWOOD TO TRY TO PREVENT BLOODSHED, CAN YOU HELP BECAUSE IF WE ARE THE ONES WHO ARE GOING TO THESE BOYS THEY COULD BELIEVE US BECAUSE OF THE HISTORICAL BACKGROUND BETWEEN THE TWO OF US, WE WOULD BE CONVINCING IF WE ASK THEM TO PREVENT TAKING ACTIONS THAT WOULD LEAD TO BLOODSHED.

    THEN HONASAN SAID, YES MANONG PONG I WILL JOIN YOU TO PREVENT BLOODSHED. OK I SAID I WILL MEET YOU AT THE INTERCON HOTEL AFTER 5 MINUTES HE CALLED ME BACK BECAUSE HE SAID SECRETARY LINA HAD MADE AN ANNOUNCEMENT ON THE RADIO THAT I AM GOING TO BE ARRESTED.

    SO HE DID NOT JOIN ME THE WHOLE DAY I WAS IN OAKWOOD EXCEPT ABOUT 5 PM AFTER I ASKED MALACANANG TO EXTEND THE DEADLINE TO PREVENT BLOODSHED AND HE CALLED ME AND SAID , MANONG PONG I AM HERE AT MANDARIN HOTEL I AM WITH MIKE DEFENSOR PMS VELASCO BUT HE SAID, I NEED TO BE ESCORTED BY THE MAJORITY FLOOR LEADER SEN SOTTO BECAUSE I AM AFRIAD IF I GO ALONE I MIGHT BE ARRESTED.

    I SAID OK I WILL WAIT FOR YOU , THE FIRST TO ARRIVE WAS SEN SOTTO, I BRIEFED HIM ON THE SITUATION, THE HONASAN FOLLOWED, I BRIEFED HIM TOO AND TOGETHER WE WERE ABLE TO EFFECT A DIRECT CONTACT WITH THE GROUP OF TRILLANES MAGDALO AND ALL THE OTHER LEADERS THERE THAT IS WHY WE WENT UP.

    YOU MIGHT HAVE SEEN IN THE TV CLIPS THAT WHEN WE WERE GOING UP, THERE WAS A DEPLOYMENT OF THE TWO OPPOSING SIDES AND THERE WAS A COCKING OF GUNS, THE VERY THING THAT GREG HONASAN AND I AND TITO SOTTO WANTED TO PREVENT AND YOU MIGHT REMEMBER THAT SENATOR HONASAN AND MYSELF JUMPED IN THE MIDDLE TO MOTION TO STOP THE TWO SIDES FROM FIGHTING EACH OTHER.

    WE HAVE TO ANALYZE WHAT WAS THE SITUATION, WHAT DID THESE YOUNG OFFICERS WANT – THERE WAS NO MENTION OF A MUTINY, COUP D ETAT, NO MENTION OF A REBELLION..ALL THESE YOUNG OFFICERS WERE ASKING WERE:

    FOR SEC REYES TO RESIGN
    FOR SEC EBDANE TO RESIGN
    FOR GEN VICTOR CORPUS TO RESIGN
    FOR THE CONDUCT OF INVESTIGATION OF BOMBING IN DAVAO
    FOR THE CONDUCT OF INVESTIGATION RELATED TO THE PROCUREMENT OF COMBAT BOOTS AND INDIVIDUAL EQUIPMENT FOR THE SOLDIERS – YUN LANG ANG SINABI SA AMIN.

    OF COURSE SEN SOTTO HONASAN AND I WERE NOT THE NEGOTIATORS, WE COULD NOT NEGOTIATE, WE WERE TOLD THAT GENERAL CIMATU WHO WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE NEGOTIATOR, BUT THREE TIMES, THE GROUP OF TRILLANES REJECTED CIMATU, TILL I REMINDED THE GROUP THE DEADLINE OF 7PM WAS FAST APPROACHING AND IF THERE WERE NO RESULTS, THERE WOULD BE AN ASSAULT BY THE GOVERNMENT TROOPS.. THAT WAS THE ONLY TIME THEY ALLOWED GEN CIMATU TO GO UP HOTEL AND WHEN GEN CIMATU JOINED THE GROUP, I BRIEFED HIM, AND SAID OUR WORK –SEN SOTTO SEN HONASAN AND MYSELF WERE DONE..THEN WE LEFT..

    THIS INFORMATION IS MATERIAL TO THE EVALUATION TO WHAT WAS REALLY TRANSPIRING, SENATOR HONASAN WAS THERE TO HELP PREVENT BLOODHSED AMONG SOLDIERS.

    HONASAN WAS THERE TO HELP ME TO CONVINCE THE SOLDIERS NOT TO KILL EACH OTHER. I AM WILLING IN THE INTEREST OF JUSTICE TO RELATE TO ANYONE WHAT I KNOW. I WAS THE REASON WHY SENATORS SOTTO AND HONASAN WERE THERE.

    TWO DAYS AFTER, SEC ERMITA CALLED ME TO THANK FOR OUR RPESENCE THERE THAT WE WERE ABLE TO AVERT AN INCIDENT OR BLOODSHED THAT WE WOULD ALL BE REGRETTING.

    THE FOLLOWING DAY NO LESS THAN THE RPESIDENT GLOIRA MACAPAGAL ARROYO CALLED ME AGAIN AND SAID THANK YOU FOR YOUR ROLE IN THE OAKWOOD INCIDENT THAT PREVENTED BLOODSHED AMONG SOLDIERS.

  133. Ellen,

    My friend journalist from Pinas whom I met today reckoned Gringo would win should he decide to stand in the elections.

    (He brought me fresh but no frills data from Pinas – including pastillas de leche and pulburon which are some of my favorite Pinas sweets – hehehe! goody goody.)

    Anyway, if so, tanga talaga itong si Gloria. So vindictive is she that she cannot even see that by making a hero of Honassan she will end up cutting her own nose to spite herself.

    Stupid…

  134. Yuko,

    Thanks for replying to the Daniellaperez80 letter.

    As you can see, we haven’t received any response. Either Bansot Jr is ignoring your question or she genuinely is not the one who wrote the threatening letter to Ellen.

    However, I’m pretty certain that someone from her brigade knows about the threatening letter having done it himself or herself and if Bansot Jr aka Daniellaperez80 is not part of the letter-threat chain, she should answer your letter even if she masquerades as Daniellaperez80 if only to deny that she didn’t send the threat letter to Ellen.

    Let’s give her another day. I will also send a letter and will cut and paste the blog entry containing the threat.

    If Daniellaperez80 were of good faith, she should reply and deny it.

  135. we-will-never-learn,

    Yes, there is less emphasis on the word “force” in most military or para military units when it comes to their ‘branding’ for the public.

    In the UK, the armed forces are called UK Defence Forces while the London Met is the police force and of course, we simply call detective force as Scotland Yard.

    In France, they call the armed forces “Des Armées”, the police is also police but not defined as forces or whatever just called ‘Police’, when people want to be obnoxious they call them “Les Flics” (coppers).

  136. TonGuE-tWisTeD TonGuE-tWisTeD

    Hawaiianguy:
    …”Tongue-T,
    “If you’re that serious about getting that data, why don’t you setup a specific blog for the purpose.” Yup, and will try to set it up soon. Meanwhile, I got to learn how to do it. (Tried it once, but my blog didn’t fly. I couldn’t figure out to write the next entry. Even my handle here doesn’t link to my blog, “Hawaiianguy,” wondering why.) Will a samaritan tutor come forward?”

    Try WordPress.com’s site. Or Blogger.com (tama ba Anna?) The setting up of a blog there is a walk in the park.

    That’s good, we-will-never-learn! I don’t have much time today but I think I can help you with the format and some content, too. Same goes for you, Hawaiianguy.

  137. TonGuE-tWisTeD TonGuE-tWisTeD

    Nice piece of info, Ellen. Ngayon ko lang nabasa ang mga detalyeng iyan. It only shows how stupid our investigators really are. Or how biased investigations can get.

    Gasgas na nga ni Gloria yung linyang, “We will leave no stones unturned” pero eto’t isang major role ang ginampanan sa Oakwood, di pa pala naiimbestigahan! Tanga kasi ang DOJ dahil ang sabi nga naman no stones unturned, kaya yung mga bato yata ang pinakialaman lang.

    Of course, sinadyang iwasan ang detalyeng iyan dahil mauungkat yung pre-surrender negotiations between Magdalo and Cimatu na ibinasura ng AFP mismo. Siguradong magagalit ang mga sundalo.

    Pagka pera at poder na kasi ang pinagusapan, nawawala na ang gentleman’s agreement. Bakla rin itong si Cimatu dahil di ipinaglaban ang terms of surrender nila Trillanes, e.g., hindi paparusahan ang mga enlisted men kundi, ang kakasuhan lang ay ang core Magdalo group.

    Makipagnegosasyon ka ba naman sa mga traidor na, ehem, dugong aso pa, este, baboy, pala.

  138. chi chi

    Aha, umaandar na ang spinning wheels ng minions ni Tianak.

    Sabi ng The Philippine Star na sipsip kay Glue:

    “The brothers-in-arms of Gregorio Honasan in the Reform the Armed Forces Movement (RAM) have disowned the former senator who was arrested last Wednesday by police operatives in Quezon City.

    In a phone interview, retired Navy Capt. Proceso Maligalig, spokesman and interim chairman of RAM or the Rebolusyonaryong Alyansang Makabansa, said Honasan, who is facing rebellion charges for his alleged participation in the Oakwood mutiny on July 27, 2003 in Makati, is no longer connected with their group.”
    *****
    “Maligalig, now president of the government-sequestered
    Bataan Shipping and Engineering Corp. (Baseco)…”

    KAYA NAMAN PALA, NABUSALAN NA RIN NG PWESTO SA GOBYERNO SI MALIGALIG!

    ****

    Heto pa from The Philippine Star din.

    Disgruntled former military colleagues of ex-senator Gregorio “Gringo” Honasan betrayed the fugitive politician and provided information to the military and police that led to his arrest in Quezon City, military sources disclosed Thursday.

    “Easily said, he was betrayed by some people whom he also betrayed earlier,” said a source from the intelligence community who declined to identify the people who gave Honasan away.”
    ****

    KUNG HINDI PA SA P5M reward na nakuha ng mga traydor.
    Bolahin nila ang lelang nila!

  139. TonGuE-tWisTeD TonGuE-tWisTeD

    Sabihin mo Chi, sila ang traydor. Si PuroPeso Naligalig, pati na si Billy Bibit, Abe Purugganan, atbp na mga alas ng RAM, nakapuwesto na sa gobyerno. Dito raw nila isasakatuparan ang mga mithiin ng EDCB/RAM. Yung El Diablo Crimebusters ni Ramos, naging Criminals of El Diablo. Yung Reform the AFP Movement, naging Reward the AFP Generals.

    Pero nasaan ang pagbabago? Panggagago siguro!

    Nasaan na ang prinsipyo? Ibinenta na sa Prinsipe ng mga kabayo!

    Nasaan na ang ipinaglabang katinuan sa gobyerno? Nasa mental!

    Nasaan ang reporma? Wala, kundi puro porma!

    Kundi pa si Gringo kikilos, may nangyayari ba?

    -Tongue in, anew!

  140. TonGuE-tWisTeD TonGuE-tWisTeD

    Sa pangalan pa lang, alam o nang pre-destined sila.

    1. Puro-Peso Naligalig
    2. Binili Bibit
    3. Abe Puro-Gana

    Sa pera lahat patungo!

  141. Anong aasahan ninyo dito sa impostor na ito. Masyadong maligalig ang apelyido niya! May ganyan bang apelyido? Nakakaligalig! 😛

  142. chi chi

    Talaga namang nakakainit ng dugo itong mga bwisit na RAMs kuno na ito. Iyang mga pangalan na binanggit mo TongueT, mga taksil sa mga adhikain ng tunay na RAM. Binusalan ng pera, kumakambyo kahit saan dalhin ng walang kakwenta-kwentang Pidal woman na ito. Hhmmmmpppp, tamaan sana sila ng lightning!

    Oo nga ano, itinadhana na sila na mukhang pera!

  143. we-will-never-learn we-will-never-learn

    hawaiianguy & TonGue-tWisTeD

    http:// philippine-corruption.blogspot.com/

    Don’t just talk about it, lets see some action.

  144. TongueT:

    Sa dami naman ng mga pangalan na pinagpilian ng mga pilipino nang sabihan sila ni Claveria na pumili ng kanilang mga apelyido, bakit itong traydor na kasama ni Honasan ay “Maligalig” pa ang pinili ng kaniyang mga ninuno! Parang prophesy na isa siya sa magdudulot ng ligalig sa lahing pilipino ano? Signs of the times na talaga!

    Tuwang-tuwa naman ako sa mga pangalang binanggit mo. Wow! Talaga namang barkada ng mga mandurugas! 🙁

    # TonGuE-tWisTeD Says:

    November 17th, 2006 at 7:43 am

    Sa pangalan pa lang, alam o nang pre-destined sila.

    1. Puro-Peso Naligalig
    2. Binili Bibit
    3. Abe Puro-Gana

    Sa pera lahat patungo!

  145. npongco npongco

    The recent capture of Gringo shows that the government could easily catch anyone if it really wants. But, why did it take the government so long to locate Garcilliano and other Malacanang crooks?

    There were reports that Gringo’s former comrades were the ones who betrayed him. We wonder how much money Gloria spent to capture Gringo.

    Atong Ang was transferred to Bicutan; a clear violation of Sandigan’s order that he be placed in QC Jail. His lawyer’s excuse seconded by DOJ was that Ang might be harmed and killed by paid inmates. If this line of reasoning is to be followed, then other inmates could use the same reason to be transferred to more comfortable jail. That’s BS!

  146. we-will-never-learn we-will-never-learn

    hawaiianguy & TonGue-tWisTeD
    Seems to be a problem with this new blogweb be patient and it will be sorted

  147. we-will-never-learn we-will-never-learn

    Sen. Rodolfo can prove that he called Senator Honasan to Oakwood to assist him. No statements being taken from marines being ‘investigated’ only from Col. Jonathan Martir and that being the basis of arrest and detention of ALL of them.
    All 50 or so accused of an ‘incident’ last February are being treated differently and presented for hearing and nobody charged yet.
    Justice Dept. PNP; AFP are acting no better than the Keystone Cops, the eyes of the whole International Community are focused on them, if it wasn’t so serious it would be a laugh!

  148. Mrivera Mrivera

    an article confirming w-w-n-l’s post:

    Honasan “bystander” in Oakwood mutiny

    By Angie M. Rosales

    11/17/2006

    A former chief of staff of the Philippine military-turned-senator has put a dampener on the government’s bid to make the rebellion charges it had filed against recently captured former Sen. Gregorio “Gringo” Honasan stick by practically exonerating Honasan of involvement in a supposed uprising in 2003 that has since been cited by Malacañang and the Justice department as basis for such allegations.

    Sen. Rodolfo Biazon yesterday cleared Honasan, also a former Army colonel, of links to the Magdalo group of junior military officers who mounted the so-called mutiny three years ago, saying he will testify to the fact before the courts.

    Biazon revealed to reporters during the weekly breakfast forum at the Senate that he had called Honasan and asked him to join him (Biazon) in Makati City at the height of the failed revolt against President Arroyo launched at Oakwood hotel there.

    Honasan was still a senator in 2003.

    Honasan obliged him, he said, which has cost the former colonel the rebellion charges.

    Another revelation during the same forum came

    from former Senate Minority Leader Vicente Sotto III was that Honasan was receiving death threats while he was in hiding, the reason Honasan sought channels to ensure his “safe surrender.”

    Gone missing for nine months, Honasan was nabbed by police and military agents last Wednesday in Quezon City.

    “He wanted to do it (‘surrender’) sometime back but the timing was not ripe and we did not have any assurances… on the so-called due processes. He was afraid, of course, that some other forces would try to do him harm… so he was very cautious about it,” Sotto said of Honasan’s situation before he was captured.

    Sotto maintained that, despite Malacañang’s denial of the fact, there indeed were negotiations that took place prior to Honasan’s arrest involving Transportation Secretary Leandro Mendoza.

    Biazon said he recalls Honasan agreeing to talk with the Magdalo leaders to ensure that there will be no bloodshed, only to back out because then Interior Secretary Jose Lina had announced Honasan would be arrested for complicity in the mutiny.

    He added it was he who had asked Honasan to proceed to Oakwood to help defuse the situation, since they, too, were soldiers once.

    Honasan, Biazon said, was eventually convinced to mediate between the Magdalo group and the government, on condition that he would be accompanied by Sotto, then Senate minority leader.

    He added all throughout the mediation, where then Environment Secretary Michael Defensor, now retired Gen. Roy Cimatu and then Presidential Management Staff head Rene Velasco were also present, there never was any mention of coup d’etat or rebellion.

    Biazon expressed surprise that the Department of Justice (DoJ) did not bother to get his testimony and those of Sotto and the other personalities at the mediation in determining whether Honasan was involved in the supposed rebellion.

    Instead, he said, the DoJ relied solely on the statements of then Magdalo member 2nd Lt. Lawrence San Juan, now a principal accused in the mutiny.

    “Between the testimony of San Juan and that of a senator-general (Biazon), which should carry more weight?” Sotto asked.

    In corroborating Biazon’s statements, he questioned the Arroyo government’s motives in filing the rebellion charges against Honasan when the other principal players in the uprising are yet to be formally charged in court.

    Sotto said he and another former senator, Teresa Aquino-Oreta, believed Honasan was charged because he was “the usual suspect” on account of his involvement in coup attempts against the Aquino administration.

    Honasan is also facing rebellion charges over his alleged participation in another supposed coup plot against Mrs. Arroyo on Feb. 24 this year.

    Another alleged plotter in that coup, Capt. Felix Turingan, would be the next to fall after Honasan.

    The military’s Public Information Office (PIO) chief, Lt. Col. Bartolome Bacarro, also yesterday said the intelligence community has been receiving information on the whereabouts of Turingan, who is also linked to the Oakwood mutiny.

    Turingan and retired Col. Marcelino “Jake” Malajacan have been tagged by San Juan in the foiled Feb. 24 coup plot.

    San Juan has also linked Honasan to alleged destabilization plots.

    But Bacarro said Malajacan is not an object of the manhunt, only Turingan, who had been issued a warrant of arrest.

    He added Honasan’s arrest has not caused any negative reactions from his perceived supporters in the military as well as former comrades in the Rebolusyonaryong Alyansang Makabansa (RAM), which he co-founded.

    RAM interim chairman and spokesman Navy Capt. (ret.) Proceso Maligalig also yesterday said the group that figured in the failed coups against the Aquino government in the late 1980s has nothing to do with Honasan’s case.

    Honasan will be prevented from posting bail for the rebellion charges.

    Police Director Jesus Verzosa also yesterday said they would oppose any attempt by Honasan to file a motion for reconsideration asking the court’s permission to post bail.

    Verzosa added they would also investigate Sotto over the former senator’s admission that he had been in touch with Honasan before his capture.

    Ingrid Ramos, in whose house Honasan was nabbed, has caught the ire of he Justice Secretary who also yesterday directed the National Bureau of Investigation (NBI) to investigate her.

    Honasan was arrested while attempting to flee Ramos’ house at Enclave Townhouse in Green Meadows, Barangay Ugong in Quezon City.

    Gonzalez said Ramos could not deny that she is close to Honasan.

  149. Mrivera Mrivera

    ano kaya ang nararamdaman nitong si lawrence san juan ngayong siya ang principal suspect sa mutiny (kuno) matapos niyang idawit ang mga taong ibinulong sa kanya nina hemorrhoid asoperon at raul goonzales?

  150. Reading Senator Biazon’s statement, we see another blunder being committed by the Bansot and her Barkada that exudes in deception, conspiracy and even, yes, stupidity that make a mockery of justice in the Philippines.

    Apparently, Honasan for all his courage and bravery is now being paraded as a conveninet scapegoat for all the blunders being committed by SiRaulO GongGonzales in the name justice and truth. Parang iyong mga Jews na ginamit na scapegoat ni Hitler noong WWII.

    PATALSIKIN NA, NOW NA!

  151. fencesitter fencesitter

    norpil Says:
    “fencesitter: just wondering, can gringo still be a candidate? what if he wins and lose in court, can he serve his term. i have always thought that after all politics or the voice of the people is higher than the details of law???? but as i said i am not a lawyer nor a politician.”

    norphil, yeah gringo can still run for senator, he has not yet been convicted of any crime. remember, in the rebellion he lead during cory’s time, he and his followers were granted amnesty by ramos. only convicted person are disqualified and those falling under the enumeration set forth in the disqualification section provided in the omnibus election code.

    can he file his certificate of candidacy for senator? yes provided he is still a registered voter. but if he was able to vote in the last 2 preceding elections, i am afraid he ceases to be a registered voter. it is already too late for him to register if he is not a registered voter because i think the last day for registration had already been closed last week.

    yes norpil there is a latin maxim “vox populi, vox dei” meaning the voice of the people is the voice of God. to be honest with you i do not know the origin and who advanced that maxim. i am a little bit uneasy with that because an innocent maxim like that in the hands of a crooked politicians or an ordinary demagogue can lead to anarchy and can cause our society more harm than good.

    in a democracy and republican state like ours, we instead choose our representatives to do the crafting of the law for us. so that when the law is passed in the legislature (house of representatives and senate) which is actually regarded as act of the State, it is as if the law is passed by the people themselves. so if congress passed a law and you do not like it, you can violate it only on your own peril because the State will come in and compel everyone to submission by the imposition of penal sanction.

    take time to imagine if all of us will be empowered to make a law. that would be chaotic and i’m sure blood will flow freely on the streets. imagine again if one that does like your face will pass a law all by himself to authorize anybody to kill you. and you know, we do not live in a jungle. that separates human from animals. at least we are reasonable and are capable of devising an orderly system, no matter how imperfect it is, to at least preserve our society.

    and oh by the way, when EDSA I was staged against marcos in 1986, i would even doubt if the throng is really representative of the whole nation. the same is true with EDSA II. i could even call both of that action a mob rule. but then the players were so successful in their execution that people acquiesce to it and even call the victors hero and the losers either scampered away abroad in exile or put in jail. acts like that are criminal offense define in our statute book if the execution fail. if it succeed, the victor rules and all acts done to execute that rebellion are validated. the winner could either change the constitution as what cory did.

    those who drafted the 1986 cory constitution was so inspired by that revolt that they even institutionalize “people power”. meaning, in certain cases, the people can exercise certain political acts by themselves. that brings us to the people initiative which put the nation in suspended animation as the proponents and adversary of charter change engage in protracted debate. of course we know now, that the cha-cha proponent lose by a razor-thin margin in the SC. another example of political act which the people themselves may opt to exercise is the recall of local elected officials provided in the local government code. of course, the constitutional commissioners who drafted the constitution underestimated the politicians capability of buying people’s support to a political cause they have no time to study carefully nor possess the sophistication to fully understand its ramifications and effects on their lives and general welfare.

    i will ask you a question: do you honestly believe that the crowd in front of Pilate’s court chanting “Death!!” “Death!!” and demanding the execution of Jesus by crucifixion was really a voice coming from God?

    the maxim, therefore, is as good and as bad as the people using it for his own purpose.

  152. hawaiianguy hawaiianguy

    we-will-never-learn,

    I saw the blog, excellent start!

    Let’s work on it re-format and contents. Maybe we can email each other, with Tongue-T. Leave your addies with Ellen, or does she have them already?

  153. fencesitter fencesitter

    Continuation:

    gringo is charged of 3 counts of rebellion and/or coup de ‘etat. this is a bailable offense but since gringo was already on the run when the case was filed in court, i am afraid the trial court will not grant him bail for the simple and obvious reason that he is a flight risk. he has the right to challenge the lower court ruling all the way up to the SC but i bet he will just be disappointed.

    if my memory serves me right, he even challenged the preliminary investigation conducted by the DOJ all the way up to the SC and when he lost his case, he decided to hide for the personal reason that he could not get a fair trial under GMA’s administration.

    if gringo, therefore, is qualified and allowed by the comelec to run for senate, he will have to conduct his campaign in jail. no chance of winning? do not underestimate his charisma. when he first run for a seat in the senate, he was freshly absolved by ramos in the form of amnesty for his rebellious act against cory. cory’s popularity was ineffective to prevent gringo from getting a slot in the magic 12. knowing the Filipino electorate’s unqualified and generous sympathy to the political underdogs, gringo stands a good chance of winning. remember the Jalosjos case. he won a seat in the lower house even if he was jailed and tried in manila and for an abominadle rape offense.

    if honasan lost the contest at all, the public’s conclusion is ready-made: “he was cheated”. the administration should be forewarned better not mess around with the 2007 election result or they will be adding another serious political problems more than they are capable of solving.

    corollary to that, what if gringo wins. well, he can be declared a winner and will be entitled to assume office after taking his oath inside his jail cell. but how can he attend the session? of course he cannot. but the people elected him into office. true, but the people also should know that the candidate they want to be put in office is being held accountable under a criminal law deemed enacted by them. criminal law and political law need not off-set each other. in other words, the people voting for him should be made aware, consciously or not, that they are electing a candidate that may be disqualified later based on another complimentary law.

    what happens now. will he be stripped of his Senate seat? well, at that point the ball will be tossed in the hands of his colleagues in the senate. the body has the power under its rules to suspend or expel its members from the chamber.

    this is getting really interesting. my only wish is that the country will not get entangled in another political turmoil once more causing inestimable damage to its fragile economy that could inflict more harm to the marginalized majority. gma may be shaken for sure, but the poor? some may probably perish, if they are not lucky enough to survive another economic on-slaught.

  154. I like reading Fencesitter’s entries on the legal front – they are insightful, simple, and smack of common sense.

    Keep em coming Fencesitter…

  155. chi chi

    As I am not of legal mind, I appreciate Fencesitter’s use of language I can understand better.

    “this is getting really interesting. my only wish is that the country will not get entangled in another political turmoil once more causing inestimable damage to its fragile economy that could inflict more harm to the marginalized majority. gma may be shaken for sure, but the poor? some may probably perish, if they are not lucky enough to survive another economic on-slaught.”

    I totally agree, Fencesitter.

  156. Ellen:

    Just curious. What was the reaction of the broadcasters when Mrs. Pidal berated members of the media like them for questioning her bogus presidency? Tahimik lang ba? Dito iyan, na-boo na ang ungas! But then, who says that there is freedom of the press in the Philippines. For that, she and her husband, et al should be censured. Glad to know that at least foreign media, et al are not hoodwinked by them.

    PATALSIKIN NA, NOW NA!

  157. TonGuE-tWisTeD TonGuE-tWisTeD

    Meron pa nga pala, si HerMujeres Assperon!

  158. norpil norpil

    thanks fencesitter. i feel like a law student reading your post. are you a practicing lawyer? who knows maybe some of us here may soon need one.

  159. TonGuE-tWisTeD TonGuE-tWisTeD

    A good first step, WWNL, however, you must post the first topic so we can react. I don’t see a button which will take me to the comments page.

  160. Mrivera:

    Dapat ang mga ganyan hindi na pinababalik sa service. Isang beses na nagtraydor, hindi na dapat pang pagtiwalaan na hindi na magtratraydor pa uli. Mahirap ang ugaling palusot talaga. Tignan mo nga ang sabi ng mag-squeal si San Juan. Aba, binihisan pa ng regalia. Talaga naman ang mga palabas! Ang tindi!

  161. TonGuE-tWisTeD TonGuE-tWisTeD

    Look whos’ tsismoso! Si Army Chief Romeo Taran.., er, Tolentino pala. Itsismis ba naman sa diyaryong may anak daw si Gringo kay Ingrid Ramos.

    They know they don’t have the goods on Gringo and soon he will be released that’s why they’re resorting to gutter tactics to demolish his reputation. Ito namang media, ayaw tigilan ang anggulong lovenest, napaka-tabloid ang mindset. How disgusting.

    Ang hinihintay kong ibalita e anong nagbago since last year when he was not included in the indictment of the Oakwood Mutineers because of lack of evidence, but immediately after Feb. 2006, pwede na. Was it San Juan’s testimony? Did they get new evidence aside from perjured testimonies of graduates from Pidal’s Witness Academy of Arts and Sciences? Any new hard evidences? Anybody cares?

    Is any journalist even interested in the rebellion case at all, or are they just contented with exploiting the public’s baser instincts by dwelling more on sexual innuendoes than on intellectual content, hoping to sell their papers or stations at the expense of possibly innocent individuals and uninvolved peripheral victims?

    -Tongue in, anew!

  162. Tongue,

    Did Tolentino really rat on Honasan?

    Gosh, how low they have become! Puro traydor!

    And is that the AFP leadership that this nation wants for its people?

    Ugh!

  163. Class 71 si Honasan di ba? Si Tolentino, Class 74 by or 75?

    So kung si Tolentino ay Class 75, impossibleng may hinagpit siya kay Honasan dahil Honasan was already First Class in 75 and and 1st class cadets no longer inflict corporal punishments personally on plebes. So, there should be no hinagpit on that score… why should Tolentino rat on upperclassman Honasan? In terms of soldiering, I don’t believe that Honasan could have been his direct commanding officer in the field because Honasan was with Enrile in the DND for a long time together with Rex Robles who was Class 69…so I don’t see Tolentino, who was soldiering on in the field right after graduation being humiliated by Honasan.

    The only reason for these PMAers to rat on each other particularly a lowerclassman doing that on his upperclassman is because traydoran na talaga.

    Geez, this AFP will need 2 generation of new officers to weed it of the heavily embedded moral and financial corruptions.

    In other words,

  164. Ooops, Class 69 nga ba si Robles? I can’t remember anymore if he was earlier pa nga…

  165. chi chi

    Mas naniniwala pa ako na ang pinalalabas nilang love affair angle ni Gringo ay scripted dahil wala naman silang direktong evidence na mag-uugnay kay Gringo sa mga coups. Sinisira nila ang pagkatao ni Gringo sa pag-asang magagalit ang mga pinoy dahil sa immoral kuno ito. Ano ba ang pakialam ko kung meron siyang mistress, para namang wala sila baka hindi lang isa. Naku, itong mga bayarang diaryo naman na ito ay payag lang sa gustong anggulo ng Tiyanak at mga mukhang perang henerales.

    ****
    Artsee, paki usapan mo nga ang kumare mo na si M na iasayn muna si James Bond na lutasin ang kaso na ito ni Gringo at nang matapos na, tutal ay nasa Fantasy Republic naman sila ngayon sa Pinas. hehehe!

  166. TongueT:

    Apparently, they’re applying the same tactics they did in EDSA 2, mudsmearing to destroy the chances of Honasan to run and win in the Senatorial run in 2007. Ganyan ang ginawa nila kay Erap di ba dahil alam naman nilang babaero? Bakit iyong Fatso, di ba babaero din? Plastik pa nga iyong anak na akala mo walang alam sa philandering ng ama e ang lalaki na pala ng mga anak sa kabit! Pwe! Kunyari pa ang mga ungas! Tignan mo nga kung walang babae ang mga cabinet members ni Pandak. I doubt that none of them have not engaged in one or two fling outside of marriage.

    Puwede ba manalamin muna sila! 🙁

  167. Golly, sirang-sira na ang PMA! Kakahiya! Bakit walang ginagawa ang mga graduates doon para itayo ang bandila ng Alma Mater nila. Baboy na baboy dahil kay Bansot na flying high for being made a mushtah (?) of PMA!

  168. chi chi

    ystakei, ano kamo si Bansot is a mushtah(sa)? heheheh!
    Bakit nga ba walang nababalitaan diyan sa PMAers ngayon? Ang “babait” nila.

  169. Thanks, Anna. Forgot the word that sounded like the way the Japanese trying to speak the Queen’s English pronounce the word “Mr.” in Japanese! 😉

  170. hawaiianguy hawaiianguy

    WWNL, good start for that blog!

  171. CNN aired some photos of the APEC meet. Bush is reported meeting with SoKor President and Japan PM, but no mention of the Midget.

    It is also doubtful that she’s getting a seat next to Bush during some state dinners. She most probably will get a seat next to Condie Rice!

  172. Mrivera Mrivera

    TonGuE-tWisTeD Says: “Look whos’ tsismoso! Si Army Chief Romeo Taran.., er, Tolentino pala. Itsismis ba naman sa diyaryong may anak daw si Gringo kay Ingrid Ramos.”

    sinabi ni general tolentino ‘yun? is that relevant sa kasong ibinabato nila kay gringo? sino ba sa mga opisyales ng AFP ang walang anak sa labas? litson silang mga ipokrito! mga asal baklang walang dekikadesa! kapal ng mga mukhang karamihan naman anderson ang middle initials! mga katipunerong takot kay gabriela silang!

  173. apoy apoy

    mga kapatid,

    huminahon tayo at magdasal..
    ama patawarin po sila , di nila alam ang kanilang ginagawa.

  174. Mrivera,

    Sabi ni Bansot sa mga broadcasters, huwag silang puro tsismis, pero siya nga inuutusan pa niya iyong mga graduate ng PMA, etc. na magkalat ng tsismis gaya ng sinasabi ngayong tungkol sa mga kabit ni Honasan. Bakit, sino ba sa kanila ang walang mga kabit? Nagmamalinis pa! Pwe!

  175. Mrivera Mrivera

    apoy, ystakei,

    nakakatawa nga minsan dahil itong mga magigiting na pinuno ng major services ng AFP ay matatapang lamang sa kanilang mga tauhang ayaw sumunod nang pikit mata na katulad nila sa mga di-makatarungang utos, pero takot naman sila sa kanilang mga asawa. mga nagmamalinis na akala walang nakakaalam ng mg sikreto nila!

    tanungin n’yo si tolentino kung hindi totoo.

  176. Mrivera Mrivera

    chi Says: “Bakit nga ba walang nababalitaan diyan sa PMAers ngayon? Ang “babait” nila.”

    hindi sila mababait kundi nasisiraan na ng bait.

  177. npongco npongco

    Mr. Rivera raised a good point. Why is there silence at PMA? Well, their plans were aborted and movement restricted. They are being monitored and brainwashed daily. We can also ask the same question as to why the Catholic Church or CBCP is so quiet these days. Even FVR’s men like Abat and De Villa. Even Cory’s group. All these point to one clear indication that the opposition is still disunited. Even among the traditional opposition groups like that of Lacson who formed his own Unlad group, there’s no unity. Unless all the opposition forces now unite, the only ones to benefit are GMA and her bunch of crooks.

  178. Mrivera Mrivera

    npongco, kung hindi ba naman (maaaring nababayaran o iniisip ang pansariling interest) naturingan pa namang mga matitikas na ginoong pinanday sa diwa ng tunay na paglilingkod sa bayan, nang mangaabot na at masungkit ang “unreachable stars” na pinaglalawayan ng mga nasa ibaba, nababalisawsaw ang tigas ng mga paninindigan.

    kanya kanyang grupong ipinagmamalaki na iisa ang sigaw danga’t magkakaiba ang tinatanaw. lahat sila animo’y mga exorcists na tinatalo ng ine-exorcise!

  179. Apoy,

    Re: “huminahon tayo at magdasal..”

    This religious tenet in the military is quite confusing for many. Propagating it vocally and enticing people to pray is a private matter for the military in action.

    To me, it should be replaced by a more practical stand: act and fight rather than keep still and pray.

    I do accept that to remain cool and calm is a good officer attitude in the face of a looming battle.

  180. Darn… Here’s exactlyt what I wanted to say:

    Apoy,

    Re: “huminahon tayo at magdasal..”

    This religious tenet in the military is quite confusing for many.

    Propagating it vocally and enticing people to pray should be skipped and must remain a private matter particularly for the military in action.

    To me, it should be replaced by a more practical stand: act and fight rather than keep still and pray.

    I do accept that to remain cool and calm is a good officer attitude in the face of a looming battle.

  181. hawaiianguy hawaiianguy

    Fighting and praying? They could come in many combinations or options.

    1)Fighting, rather than (or without) praying
    2)Fighting and praying at the same time
    3)Fighting first, then praying later
    4)Praying rather than (or without) fighting
    5)Praying first, and fighting later
    6)Praying and fighting at the same time

    Depends on how people like to do it. Manny Pacquiao and other Pinoy boxers will always use option #5. Also, some Islamic jihadists like the Abu Sayyaf will cry out, “Allahu Ahkbar!” before they sever their victim’s head.

    The success of EDSA 1 depended on option #4.

    Many cunning politicians who like to get the votes of the masses prefer option #6. See how they entice El Shaddai (Velarde’s disciples), the INK (Manalo’s Christ), etc.

    How about good soldiers? I don’t know, but the “utak pulbura” also seem to approve option #1.

  182. hawaiianguy hawaiianguy

    Oooppps! Should read:

    Many cunning politicians who like to get the votes of the masses prefer option #6, or option #2. See how they entice El Shaddai (Velarde’s disciples), the INK (Manalo’s Christ), etc. , or pray with the people during campaigns? I have a hard time distinguishing the “holier-than-thou” candidates from the pious pretenders.

  183. chi chi

    hawaiianguy says “I have a hard time distinguishing the “holier-than-thou” candidates from the pious pretenders.”

    E KASI PURO SILA PLASTIC! heheh.

  184. Mrivera Mrivera

    chi Says: “E KASI PURO SILA PLASTIC! heheh”

    chi, nagbago na sila ngayon – puro ELASTIC! o baka mas tamang para silang -ADAPTOR!

  185. npongco npongco

    I always keep an open mind on personal and love affairs. As long as a leader is effective in his governance, I don’t care how many mistresses he has. History tells us that some of the world’s greatest leaders were womanizers. This is not to say that I condone adultery and infidelity. As a Christian, I value and respect marriage since this is an institution founded by God. No one can serve two masters. To me, this teaching is not only about God and money; but having only one husband or wife. But, we’re just human beings. Loneliness and physical needs sometimes tempt us to play with fire. How many government officials and politicians are faithful to their spouses? You might be surprised that even female officials and politicians have now become unfaithful. One report had it that at least one lady solon has the habit of hunting good looking guys. Well, what I find more shocking is for those who enjoy with their own sex. That’s worse. Mike Pidal has Vicky Toh. If people think they have broken up because of media scandal, they are wrong. The two still meet and see each other either in California or Vancouver. Gloria? Who knows if she’s still seeing Nani Perez. At first, I thought the rumor between the two was just rumor, period. But as I went around the inner and society circle, I heard some truth about it. Oh well, GMA is only a human being like us. I’m just wondering if she still wears bullet proof vest when she’s with Nani.

  186. TonGuE-tWisTeD TonGuE-tWisTeD

    Mrivera: “sinabi ni general tolentino ‘yun?”
    Anna: “Did Tolentino really rat on Honasan?”

    Try this:
    newsinfo.inq7.net/inquirerheadlines/nation/view_article.php?article_id=33352

    (just type the “http://” without quotes before “newsinfo…”. I just avoided the automatic moderation.)

    Quote:
    “Army chief Lt. Gen. Romeo Tolentino, considered Ramos a “weakness” of Honasan that led to his capture.”…

    …”Asked what proved to be the crucial mistake, Tolentino said it was Honasan’s visit to the townhouse of Ramos, who, he claimed, had a 14-year-old love child with the ex-senator.”

  187. TonGuE-tWisTeD TonGuE-tWisTeD

    Sablay, for moderation din.

  188. nelbar nelbar

    >You might be surprised that even female officials and
    >politicians have now become unfaithful. One report had it
    >that at least one lady solon has the habit of hunting good
    >looking guys.

     

    npongco,

    tanong natin kay Julie Yap Daza kung sino talaga ang “driver”?

     

  189. chi chi

    TongueT, bakit ba iyang anggulo ni Ramos ang pinagdidikdikan nila? As if malulutas ang coups against this fake Pidal woman by insisting on this “affair” kuno! Ganyan na ba kababa mag-isip ang mga hepeng militar na nagpapatakbo ng kasong ito? It made be believe that they really have no goods against Gringo. Kasi sinasala-hula na naman nila. Same pattern! Nakakainis.

  190. npongco npongco

    As I said earlier, so what if this Ramos was indeed Gringo’s girl friend and mistress? What people should focus is what Gringo is fighting for. The political and national issues Gringo wanted to reform. The long overdue solution to the plight of the poor soldiers. People should know that most of these AFP Generals have their own mistresses. Worse, some even get good looking drivers and security escorts (oh yes, many are either gays or bi-sexual).

  191. TonGuE-tWisTeD TonGuE-tWisTeD

    Chi: TongueT, bakit ba iyang anggulo ni Ramos ang pinagdidikdikan nila?

    Obvious kasi na walang ebidensiya o witness laban kay Gringo. Yung mga pictures na lumabas noon na meeting kuno ng Magdalo na may kuntodo blood compact pa napatunayang na-photoshop lang dahil nawala yung paa nung isang tao, at yung damit ni Gringo, yung damit niya sa Oakwood! Picture sa Oakwood na na-cut’n’paste sa picture ng meeting ng Magdalo. Mali pa ang orientation ng mga shadows.

    Pati yung inupahang witness, di makumbinsi kahit si Sir Raul O. Gonzales kaya di nasampahan noon kasabay ng Magdalo si Gringo.

    Tapos yung affidavit kuno ni San Juan, di naman signature ni San Juan ang nakapirma. Si Bumindang, di naman isinabit si Gringo, saan sila kukuha ng damning evidence? E di wala.

    Kaya naman ang siste, siraan na lang si Gringo sa isyung pakikiapid, para matalo sa eleksiyon, kaya ngayon nagpapalutang ang Malakanyang na kesyo tatakbo si Gringo sa “Unity Ticket” ni Bansot pati pa raw si Trillanes. Mga matibay na kandidato yan. Blackmail, diba? Pag di ka sumama sa amin, yari kayo ng “kabit” mo! Parang ganun. Buti na lang ibinasura na ni Atty. Danny Gutierrez ang offer ni Mike Defensor sa Unity Ticket.

    Malayo na sa coup o rebelyon ang usapan, napunta na sa kabit, sa anak sa labas, sa sigawan kuno ni Gringo at asawang Jane. Na siyang pinagpipiyestahan ng pipitsuging mediamen. Tama, ka Chi, lagi na lang ganito. Wala nang maisip na bago si Claudio, Ermita, Defensor, Bunye at mag-asawang baboy en biik.

    Sa madaling salita, BABUYAN NA!

  192. npongco npongco

    Tongue, I agree. What they’re doing to Gringo right now is demolition job and character assassination in preparation for the election. Like Lacson whose Kuratong Baleleng case has been resurrected for the nth time. Knowing very well that the administration has no good and credible candidates, this Little Mike now suggests that there be a unity ticket. All I can say is that’s a very STUPID idea. Who would join the losers and a losing team? Perhaps a few opposition rejected by the opposition party might be tempted to join like last election. But what happened? Veterans like Osmena and Mercado lost miserably. The administration is in a panic mood. That’s why they want this Cha-Cha succeeds by hook or by crook. This seems to be their last card.

  193. npongco npongco

    What’s the above portion again? First, it was the porn link and now it’s about travel advertisement. The above has been here for a couple of days, and Ellen has no time again to delete it?

  194. npongco npongco

    I should ask: What’s the above post (not portion) again? Ellen, even if you’re not in front of your computer 24 hours a day; I don’t think you’re not checking this blog for 48 hours. It usually takes you an hour and even less than that to delete some of my posts; but when it comes to those like the above, you don’t have the time….tsk, tsk, tsk. When would you change your attitude towards me? Soon it will be Christmas…

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