I just came in from Cebu where I participated in the Cebu Press Freedom Week celebration. I’ll report about it later.
I woke up this morning to a CNN report about a coup in Thailand. Everybody I talked with in the Cebu forum remarked, “Nakakainggit naman ang Thailand.”
Malacañang and the military officials’ protestations that a similar coup won’t happen here betray their nervousness. As Shakespeare said, “The lady protests too much.”
Anyway, here’s Malaya’s report on reactions in Manila:
by Regina Bengco:
EXECUTIVE Secretary Eduardo Ermita yesterday said there is no reason to be alarmed over the coup which ousted Thai Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra because the Philippines is politically stable and that the Armed Forces and the PNP are loyal to the Constitution and the President.
Ermita nonetheless said he got in touch with Armed Forces officials to make sure “things are handled in a manner that will not cause alarm whatsoever in the Philippines.”
Ermita said President Arroyo is monitoring developments in Bangkok.He said neither he nor Arroyo was surprised by the coup in the Thailand because there were already reports of growing discontent several months ago.
He said Arroyo ordered the Department of Foreign Affairs to ensure that Filipinos in Thailand are safe.There are about 7,000 Filipinos in Thailand, mostly working as teachers or managers. About 4,000 of them are based in Bangkok.The Department of Foreign Affairs advised them to stay home.
Ermita said his calls to AFP chief Gen. Hermogenes Esperon and the major service commanders did not mean he was nervous, noting he faced seven coup attempts during the Aquino administration when he was AFP deputy chief of staff.
“In all matters that pertain to peace and order and national security, it behooves upon us to really make those calls,” he said.”I don’t see any reason why we should be afraid. I don’t see what the connection is…There is no cause for alarm whatsoever,” he said.
He said there are no more grumblings in the military because it is “solid” under the leadership of Esperon and his service commanders. He said any image of instability that the opposition wanted to project has been “corrected and neutralized.”
He said has no history of a successful coup. Seven coup attempts from 1986 to 1989 were crushed by the PNP and AFP.People power is not a military power grab.
Ermita said what is happening in Thailand is “hardly our concern,” although “we are hoping that such a problem in a foreign country like Thailand would be settled peacefully.”
He said the Philippines is not taking any position on the matter even if it is the chair and host this year of the Asean, of which Thailand is a member. “We are not making any statement whatsoever that we are taking sides or not. We are observers and we just take it to mean that that is their own problem, that’s another country’s problem,” he said.
Ermita said the Philippine economy is strong enough to withstand the repercussions of the Thai coup.He said despite Thaksin’s ouster, the Philippines will still follow his “Thaksinomics” and other economic policies that are adaptable or favorable to the Philippine situation.
“Thaksinomics” was the moniker given by President Arroyo to Thaksin’s “One Town, One Product” program which has she adopted.Ambassador to Thailand Antonio Rodriguez said Filipinos in Thailand should stay home if there is no need for them to go out.”If you were to assess the reaction of people here, it seems they accepted the coup. But the possibility remains that Thaksin and his allies will launch a counteraction once he returns,” he said.
Thaksin was in New York when he was ousted late Tuesday.
Rodriguez said those who have relatives in Thailand can call the Philippine embassy at (662)-2590139, 2590140, 2599797, 2592809 (fax) for assistance.NOT IN RP
The AFP does not see a coup happening in the Philippines because “the chain of command is intact,” said Lt. Col. Bartolome Bacarro, AFP public information office chief, quoting Esperon.
Esperon presided over a command conference in Camp Aguinaldo yesterday morning, hours after the coup in Thailand.
Bacarro said the weekly command conference has nothing to do with the coup.He also said the AFP is not making comments on the coup.
“The AFP is not in the position to comment on the state of affairs of other nations,” he said.
Coup leaders said Thaksin was ousted to resolve a near year-long political deadlock and to stop “rampant corruption.”Told that disgruntled military officers in the Philippines might replicate the Thai coup, Bacarro said: “Well, like what we said we don’t see it happening here. That will not happen here at present.”
“We do believe that the Armed Forces of the Philippines has remained intact and that we are aware that even previous (coup) attempts have failed because of measures being undertaken by the Armed Forces,” he added.
Bacarro said the military dynamics in Thailand and in the Philippines are different. “There are a lot of differences, there are different stimulus so definitely it (Philippine condition) is different from what’s happening there (in Thailand),” he said.
Informed that Thaksim, like President Arroyo, is accused of corruption, Bacarro said: “Well, we don’t want to comment on what’s happening there. We are not in a position to comment especially if it involves political issues.”
Bacarro expressed fears some “threat groups” might use the Thai incident for propaganda purposes.
“They (threat groups) can start making propaganda along that tune na nangyari sa Thailand and it could happen here in the Philippines. However, the Armed Forces of the Philippines will categorically state that it will not happen here,” said Bacarro.
Maj. Ernesto Torres, Army spokesman, said: “The Philippine Army leadership will never allow this (coup) to happen. The Philippine Army, as a matter of policy, isolates itself from politics and distances itself from political groups.”
Torres said the Army is leaving “politics to the politicians.”
“It will not yield to any pressure from anti-government groups and the political opposition and aid efforts to unconstitutionally change our country’s leadership. The Army is focused on fulfilling its responsibilities to the Filipino people and politics is among the least of its concerns,” he added.
Navy spokesman Lt. Cdr. Giovanni Carlo Bacordo said: “We are not allowed to interfere in the political affairs of other countries… The Navy remains loyal to the chain of command.”
CHA-CHA STILL ON
Ermita said despite the coup in Thailand, government and its allies will not reconsider their bid to push for amendments in the Constitution and a change in the form of government from presidential to parliamentary, just like Thailand’s.
Arroyo has been saying that the parliamentary system would result in less legislative gridlock and less coups.
Ermita said there are more military takeovers or coups in a presidential form of government than in the parliamentary system.
The coup is Thailand’s first in 15 years but its 18th since it became a constitutional monarchy in 1932.
He said the changing of the guard in the parliamentary system is smoother. “We will still push through with it,” he said.
Senators both from the minority and the majority said a shift to a parliamentary form will not prevent coups.
“There is no government that is coup-proof. The moment you push the people too far, they would take the law into their own hands and launch moves like a coup,” said Sen. Sergio Osmeña III.
“Even during the dictatorship of (the late president Ferdinand) Marcos, there were coups. The people would take the law into their own hands if they see that their officials are abusing their powers,” he added.
Osmeña also said the claims of Speaker Jose de Venecia that a parliamentary system is “coup-proof” are mere “exaggerations done to convince the people that a parliamentary system is better.”
But, he said, a parliamentary government is “worse.”
“Under our type of culture, a parliamentary system would be worse because of the ‘tayo-tayo’ system (the practice of political allies taking common positions),” he said.
Sen. Jinggoy Estrada said a shift from the presidential to a parliamentary system would not prevent military uprisings “if the administration is corrupt and has no more support from the people, like the Arroyo administration.”
Sen. Richard Gordon, chairman of the Senate constitutional amendments committee looking into proposals to amend the Constitution, simply said: “The situation in Thailand demolishes the argument that a parliamentary form of government would stop political instability in the country.”
IT’S GOVERNANCE
Senate majority leader Francis Pangilinan said: “Regardless of the form of government, it is effective governance under the rule of law that will prevent extra-constitutional attempts at seizing power such as coup d’états.”
Senate minority leader Aquilino Pimentel Jr. said: “I hope the Thai coup does not influence the Armed Forces of the Philippines to grab power here. While Gloria doesn’t deserve the presidency, the people don’t deserve military rule. Gloria should now resign.”
Sen. Ralph Recto doubted if the AFP could do a “copy-cat coup” against the government.
“We have reason to believe that what we have is a constitutional military,” he said, noting that the military could have carried out a revolt against the Arroyo presidency at the height of the political turmoil in June last year.Besides, he said, “there is no opposition leader charismatic enough to bring the soldiers out of the barracks. In Thailand, there is their king who’s the constant symbol of stability.”
Rep. Gilbert Remulla (NP, Cavite) said the Thai coup “just gave charter change proponents a black eye.”“Ang argumento ng mga pro-Cha-cha ay mas stable ang parliamentary form of government. The Thai coup just goes to show it has nothing to do with the form of government,” he said.
Remulla said the stability of a country does not depend on the form of government but on good leaders and good governance.“It has everything to do with transparency, accountability and honesty in government. Kung iba ang sistema ngunit patuloy ang dayaan, nakawan at pagsisinungaling, wala pa ring pagbabago na mangyayari,” he said.
Rep. Joel Villanueva (Cibac) said a parliamentary system, clearly, cannot prevent a military uprising.
“Sinasabi ng mga pro-parliament advocates na mas stable daw ang parliamentary form of government para walang military coup. I just hope they can explain why it happened there and the assurance it won’t happen here,” he said.
House majority leader Rep. Prospero Nograles said military adventurism is a force to reckon with in both the presidential system and the parliamentary form of government.
“Whether it is parliament or presidential, talagang mahirap kalabanin ang military at grupong may mga baril. But this won’t affect our bid to push charter change,” he said.
Nograles allayed fears that Arroyo could suffer the same fate as Thaksin’s. “I do not foresee any coup d’état until 2010,” he said. – With Victor Reyes, Czeriza Valencia, Gerard Anthony Naval, JP Lopez and Wendell Vigilia
Is there one in the AFP today capable of rousing the good men of the AFP to rêplicate Thai Army Commander in Chief’s coup d’état?
I don’t think so.
Sadly, Esperon will have taken precations.
It was interesting to watch and stay tuned with the events in Thailand…it IS an idea; it’s worth a try.
Isn’t it also interesting that Gloria had a meeting with her generals in Malacañan after the coup d’etat in Thailand? Hee hee hee.
What IS weird is the military coming out on television expressing support for Gloria. I don’t think the other military in the region, or from other countries, are doing that–expressing support for their respective leaders. It goes to show that the possibility of the recent events in Thailand (coup d’etat) happening in the Philippines is high. I think it’s more like SOMEONE is very insecure and troubled by the recent events in Thailand.
One thing for sure is that the coup d’etat in Thailand killed the Cha-Cha. JdV should be slapped silly on the face for telling the Filipino people that Cha-Cha will prevent coups! Give it up, JdV. You’re a has-been trying so hard to be “in.” You’re era is jurassic!
I was listening to Channel NewsAsia and it was interesting to note that Asian analysts that the Thai, Indonesian & Philippine military are the “same” in the sense that their respective miliatry relate to civilian politics. Asia is “interrelated” in the sense that, as an example, when Nepal had their peaceful protests, this influenced the protests in the Philippine. The events that recently happened in Thailand will probably influence other Asian countries, although this “new” type of coup d’etat may not happen immediately, THE COUNTRY where this would most-likely occur would be the Philippines.
Meron Anna, si Esperon mismo if the PRICE IS RIGHT!!!!!!!
Chabeli,
To be perfectly honest, I’m a militarist at heart and would gldadly welcome a coup d’état in the Philippines if it were the only solution to the problems facing the Philippines.
However, much as I believe miltiary officers are supposed to have been trained to LEAD, our military men lacks that leadership quality in the moral sense of the word.
In Europe, we’ve had military men who proved to be great leaders even in peace time.
Churchill and de Gaulle were some of the two who were nurtured and imbibed with miltiarism from birth – what made them different from military adventurers, eg, our current breed of AFP top rank officers (or even mid-rank) is that these men were morally upright so that when it came to leading their country, they were trusted. Moreover, they had great respect for the rule of law, written and unwritten, something which is lacking in our military today.
A lot of of our officers believe that they’ve been trained to fight – which is secondary to the real calling of a military officer – they’re forgetting that an officer is first and foremost trained to LEAD. Until our officers learn that very basic essence of leadership, we will always have amateurish military men, incapable of launching a veritable coup d’état for the sake of their country.
Thailand, however has a long history of miltiary education; their military officers respect the tradition of officerhood. Many may be corrupt but there’s still that real respect for military officers’ tradition: honesty, loyalty and more importantly, HONOR.
To a certain extent, Japan’s military epitomized military honor up till WWII (perhaps even today), something our officers lack so badly.
Esperon is corrupt, so corrupt in his soul and bone marrow, he doesn’t have a chance of recruiting the good men of the AFP to topple GMA!
Nobody will believe him! His credibility is ZERO!
He hangs on to his post because of Gloria but he is not respected by officers and men in general. He is so goddamn lucky, our Pinoy officers and men are kind of blasé about the whole thing, otherwise, he would have been fed to the crocodiles of Palawan long ago!
Yes, Anna de Brux, that is a good point you make that a “lot of of our officers believe that they’ve been trained to fight – which is secondary to the real calling of a military officer – they’re forgetting that an officer is first and foremost trained to LEAD. Until our officers learn that very basic essence of leadership, we will always have amateurish military men, incapable of launching a veritable coup d’état for the sake of their country.” Can it be that the Philippine military are all composed of a bunch of basuras? There’s gotta be at least ONE who is “morally upright…trusted…great respect for the rule of law, written and unwritten…” Or maybe I’m just being too wishful?
Something however, will have to give in the current political crisis in the Philippines. It is all a matter of time. The question I guess is HOW WILL GLORIA’S END BE? WILL SHE SUFFER A FATE BEYOND OUR IMAGINATION? Only time will tell. For now, it’s obvious that she and her legions are nerrrrrrrrrrvous!
Unless the events Thailand turn for the worse, the current situation in Thailand is a coup d’état like no other; It is a coup d’état that is calm unlike the usual coups we know of.
Maybe Gloria’s countdown begins…10…9…8…7…
Chabeli,
I am certain that there’s a few officers in the AFP who have the honor and the calling…
Unfortunately, you need more than just a “few” to succeed.
Like you, I am confident, someone in the AFP of moral leader caliber is waiting for the opportuned time “to deliver” the country from the fangs of this evil Gloria.
Will he succeed? I really don’t know.
“WILL SHE SUFFER A FATE BEYOND OUR IMAGINATION? ” Perhaps like Marcos? But worse?
Anna:
You’ll be surprised to know that a lot many Japanese soldiers of today are Christians. This I have found out from a friend who is an instructor/lieutenant in the Japan Self Defense Force.
I don’t know if it is because when they become soldiers they know that they have actually taken one step to hell that they become sensitive to something spiritual that they become easier to proselyte. My friend is in fact a convert to our religion, and he has converted a lot many of his comrades in arms.
I am in a forum for members of our church in Japan, and it is where I have met these soldiers who are stationed all over Japan. You bet, I am very proud of them! But one thing sure is they are dedicated soldiers to country and people, not to any politician!!!
Hopefully, Abe will not dare change our pacifist Constitution and venture in warmongering together with Dubya Bush.
I am in fact into a movement to declare Tokyo a no war zone. Just signed a petition to that effect just recently,
As I have stated before, I have lots of uncles who served in the USAFFEE and even in the post-WWII AFP, who were never puppies of any politician, and they served their country well. My maternal grandfather likewise was a Katipunero, and used to participate in the celebration of Philippine Independence at Luneta when I was a kid.
Pakawalan na si Trillanes, et al. Problem is where are they going to get their weapons? Hopefully, the Americans have not given Bansot any new weapon, and Trillanes, et al may just as well use bolos, lanseta and yes, hire back those Cebuanos the Yakuzas in Japan have flown here to make guns called “Paltik”!
Mabuti na lang siguro hintayin na lang pumutok ang bulkan sa ilalim ng Malacanang or a tsunami at Pasig River. Tangay iyong Boba at kalaguyo ni Victoria Toh, et al!
Trillanes is too young! The fact that he was duped into surrendering proved that he’s much too “immature” yet.
There’s not one in the AFP leadership of star rank who can be trusted!
Tell it to the trespassers now occupying Malacanang. But, do not promote it to the people that knows better. “People power is not a military power grab”, according to Execute Secretary Eduardo Ermita. How ridiclously insane of such corrupt mentality of a person, when obviously the military totally withdrew the full support to the legitimate President Estrada. It was a clear violation of the law of the land. It might not be the military itself in the front line, but illegitimate Gloria and Company. And at the same token the military failed to protect the right of the people to choose which is in my opinion is no different than the military power grab. The military according to the bragger Miguel stories he told in public, and recorded on tape, his military, sympathize to the Arroyos were ready to do battle, meaning traitor Angelo Reyes, matter not blood will be shed. Be that as it may, the end results of the Gloria’s coup d’tat of almost six years ago is military dictatory, as they, the military, now dictate to illegitimate Gloria so she can remain in power. Hence, the real evident with any benefit of doubt is that the Militay behind the scene running the country through difference incentives in which included white envelopes and by other means.
In conclusion, illegitimate Gloria’s power was the result of military decision to break the law. Whatever, one’s may call it, still a power grab, coup d’etat and no difference than one in Thailand. Still, the intent was to kick out the elected head of the country. How it was done seem not to matter, we can only offer an argument that it was against the law of the land. Disrespect to the constitution, laws created by the people’s representatives.
Coup d’etat and not People’s Power, just as the same. Only liars, cheaters and stealers would even dare to suggest. How dare you insult our intelligence, Ermita.
The 1986 EDSA Uprising and EDSA Dos can be considered as a successful coup d’état in the Philippines. Under corrupt Gloria Arroyo regime, the crocks in the military and police force are “WELL-FED”. They are shameless and unprincipled men in uniform. A well-fed pet dog never bites their master unless beaten or abused. I believe that majority of the Filipino people will support extra-constitutional means to end corrupt Arroyo regime. Who will lead the revolt? Junior and middle level officers are disgruntled with graft and corruption within the military. The ranks and most of lower officials in the military live in very sad conditions while high ranking officials live a king in big mansions and gated subdivisions. These idealist officers may lead the ouster of illegitimate President Gloria Arroyo. Thaksin’s alleged corruption is nothing compared to Arroyo’s kleptocracy and abuse of power. Lt. Senior Grade Antonio Trillanes , et al, what are you waiting for? Inumpisahan ninyo dapat tapusin! Patalsikin si Pandak!
Toney,
Ermita is talking through his ass!
A coup d’état could be launched by civilians too^provided there’s the military component – he knows that very well. The fact that it was bloodless and without the usual elements, eg, takeover of broadcast stations, airports, government offices, Gloria’s adventure in 2001 was spared the technical term of coup d’état. The successful mutiny by Angelo Reyes was a power grab. No turning around about it.
The general who could be accused of attempted coup d’ztat, technically that is was MajGen Edgardo Espinoza!
But Ed Ermita is goddman lying when he says that people power with the aid of mutinying generals and an attempting coup d’étatist is not power grab – he, a Lt General, a Vietnam (ok, Philcag) veteran and a DND chief shouldn’t shit on people by saying that Gloria’s power grab wasn’t a power grab – they broke the law – there was a sitting president; the power grab was made all the more worse because of the military component.
If he says that again, I recommend, people in Pinas puke on him!
We can only sit back and watch and see! And wish that there are among the military forceful enough, with strong determination that can lead a nation. Pilipinos are in such desperate need of reform in leadership. It’s now a must more than ever, Philippines day by day is sinking further to oblivion, and hopes is not even spoken among the citizenry. Many has given up and that faith were turned to most powerful above. We’ve a free society supposedly that has been taken over by corrupt people’s of Gloria and Gloria whose only objectives in life is to what they can personally gain, and hell with the rest of the hopeless Pilipinos. The pictures of tomorrow and future of the next generation with illegitimate Gloria are now neither here of there.
As they say, “if you want it done right, you must do it yourself.” It’s easy said and done, but you and I know it’s not quite that simple. Precious lives are stake, but do you want freedom from dictatorial rule of Gloria – there is only one choice. We must search our conscience and how long we’re willing to accept illegitimate Gloria?
Anna:
I doubt if Trillanes was duped. I watched unedited transmissions fromn Manila of the Oakwood mutiny. When I was called to do transcription of those transmissions in English and Tagalog into Japanese, it was called “a coup d’etat” but in the afternoon when Trillanes’ companions were one by one cajoled to stop by Cimatu, et al, we were disappointed to see it tagged as merely a mutiny!
If you were Trillanes, would you keep on fighting when you see your companions holding up their guns over their heads and hand over their weapons to Cimatu while some sipsip buto Congressmen and local government officials berate them on TV (of course courtesy of Malacanang complete with the padded envelopes)? It was nauseating, and I guess he kind of “gave up the ghost” after realizing that he would be more useless dead especially fighting for a people with very short memories!
Nevertheless, “Hell, Boba!” should not be too sure. There is always a limit to how much abuses a human being can take. With or within US help, they will be able to remove a despot. They did that in fact in WWII when MacArthur left the Filipinos to fend for themselves, and fought they did with only the words of the general “I shall return” for their inspiration.
Now, maybe, they can try “Doing a Thai!” or “Pa-Thalsikin Na, Now Na!” when Pandak leaves again on government junket paid with utang and abuloy for disasters in the Philippines.
The sign in fact is there.
As they say, the signs are there! Naghihintay lang ng paghinog!”
Oops, this should be: With or WITHOUT US help, they will be able to remove a despot! They did that in fact in WWII when MacArthur left the Filipinos to fend for themselves, and fought they did with only the words of the general “I shall return” for their inspiration.
Now, the cry may even be “Doing a Thai!” ala-Cry of Balintawak!!!
Yuko,
I agree! Trillanes’ act was an attemted coup d’état! The technical element were present.
Unfortunately, as I was saying, he was not mature to succeed at the time – whether he was duped into surrendering or not, it happened! Had he been more mature, he wouldn’t have done it that way! He should have gone for the airport first – the mere fact that his troops surrendered showed that they started to lose faith in the endeavour!
He should have blown up a plane or two! Then, his troops would have known he meant business!
Amateur soldiers they were!
I know one military man who has the moral courage who can lead the military but sadly, he lacks the officer following to pull the troops together behind him!
One thing they teach officers is : NEVER GIVE AN ORDER THAT WILL NOT BE OBEYED!
Anna:
I want to be there when the public start puking on Ermita’s face. Surely, if anyone deserve it, is Ermita and among others of Gloria’s subjects. I believe we are running out of many choices. Impeachment is out of the question, we can’t rely on anybody in Congress and I even lost my faith on the Senators. Gloria got the Senators by their neck and spinning them around whenever she got the tickles. Senators are just but bunch of hit or miss. They are all there to fill up space. House of Congress, what else need to be said about them that already been said. And how about our justice, Panganiban, Gutierrez and others, such a waste. Like I said before, I’ll trust my dog Oscar before I put my faith on those people in Congres, Justice Branch, and this immoral bansot in Malacanang.
Folks, as Captain Jim (Star Trek) would say to Scotty, we are in serious trouble, “Beam me up anyplace but the Philippines. Yes, we are in trouble!
One thing they forgot to do likewise was secure their families, Anna. I remember watching a transmission of a relative or two of the soldiers being told to speak to them via TV, and you know for a fact that they were under threat!!!
I think that was what mainly made Trillanes’ comrades to “give up the ghost.”
One tactic of this administration in fact is to harrass and intimidate the families of these soldiers to weaken their resolve.
I actually thought it was stupid that they would not even make good their threat, for Trillanes said at the beginning of the mutiny and they were planting bombs around the Oakwood hotel that they were determined to fire them. And they could have held out longer if they did not release the foreign guests in the Oakwood hotel to be their hostages, but then they did not want to be savages but gentlemen!
The TV network where I was doing the transcription in Japanese was actually disappointed because they wanted a sensational news with those Japanese tourists trapped there at Oakwood!!!
Yep Diego: “The 1986 EDSA Uprising and EDSA Dos can be considered as a successful coup d’état in the Philippines.”
That was one hell of a coup d’état!
There were a couple of coup d’états in Pinas which were attempted by Honasan and Benjie Defensor (with Lt Colonel Danny Lim at the time) but they had an equally determined PSG Chief behind Cory: former Colonel Voltaire Gazmin, a Mindanao veteran!
Honasan was a desk officer while Defensor, an decorated helicopter pilot was just not used to ground combat. Danny Lim’s position then (top of Atrium) was silly really. Had they been serious, they should have blown up a few cars around the Intercon and a couple of shops, they could have done something…
Volt Gazmin, moreover was trained by the British SAS! Honasan and company stood NO chance!
“EXECUTIVE Secretary Eduardo Ermita yesterday said there is no reason to be alarmed over the coup which ousted Thai Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra because the Philippines is politically stable”
Biggest load of crap said so far!
1986 Edsa 1 uprising was in my opinion necessary because of dictatorial regime of Marcos. There was no other recourse since Marcos controlled the govt, so he thought. In addition, Marcos can’t be impeached, obviously, since there was no established Constitution. With Edsa 2, it was sure a violation of the constitution, coup d’etat more clearly. A successful conspiracy between Gloria’s people and the Supreme Court, Davide and the gangs of immoral justice, not to mention the following, Sin, Ramos, Cory and others. Of course, several already confessed their sins and others remain to be sinners. Anyway, Edsa 2 was an obvious seizure of mandated govt by majority of the people. Then, impatient illegitimate Gloria took the law into her dirty hands. As illegitimate Gloria would say later, “I am the law and only god can judge me.” Such an arrogant show off!
In Thailand when the military stages the Coup, almost always it succeeds, and all 18 of them mostly were bloodless. The Military either did it for itself, or to overthrow the government it believes is not doing its job. And the people, generally accepted it. Contrast that to the Philippines. Including Marcos, we had two successful ones. The “so-called” people power re-enforced by the Military withdrawal of support from the Administration. Almost always it is agitated by the opposition and the top brass in the Military for their personal ends. Ramos, Enrile, Honasan, Aguino et al. Coup # 1. , Arroyo, SC , top Military Brass, chavit singson et al Coup #. 2. ? ? ? Coup # 3. Notice something peculiar, Not a single one attempt, initiated by Military itself succeeded, and the military can not even control its own rank to even contemplate a successful one. You can not call it an attempted coup if one group of the military is stopped by another to mount one. In Thailand the Military is one and solid unit, loyal to the King. In the family the Military is fragmented, loyal to its own officers individual interests..
Last sentence should read: in the Philippines the Military is fragmented, loyal to its own officers individual interest. sorry, Doctor just called, sugar a little bit high and advised to come for more checks and maybe diet or more pills.
Phil. Newspapers’ headlines today: Coup won’t happen in the Phils….My prayer: Please naman, Lord, make it happen in the Phils. too…and soon!!! P:S: Lord: Namimigay ka pa ba ng Miracles? I’m asking only for one…make it happen naman o, para those who are saying impossible in RP will eat their words! Kasi sukang-suka na kami sa “illegitimate” na leader. Please naman, o! AMEN.
Re: Kudeta against Gloria Arroyo
Do you think that U.S. President George W. Bush will send “rescue” mission to save bogus Arroyo regime?
In December 1989 coup against President Aquino, the old Bush send U.S. F-4 Phantoms warplanes and Marines to save Cory Aquino-Ramos-De Villa military faction from superior RAM-SFP rebel forces. Cory was helpless to crush the coup without outside help. Perhaps then General Eduardo Ermita wets his pants at the time of crisis. He should thank Uncle Sam for saving his ass.
Right Vic!
Absolutely, not one succeeded.
Why? The very nature of our military – not quite professional.
If you notice, in spite of the rag-tag Abu Sayaff which was estimated (officially) to be no more than 100 men, military’s been unable to decimate them.
Careful!
Gloria has missiles in the Palace!
She can down the gunship that might might attack the palace.
Cory didn’t have them at the time.
Bush might help Gloria.
As we speak, gloria’s probably had some briefing by JUSMAG chief, who happens to be the resident CIA to beef defence strategy in case some military elements taken it into their heads to replicate Thailand.
Bush can’t allow overt military dissatisfaction in that part of the world – too volatile a situation, what with the muslim (MILF) problem taking the forefront…
Elvira,
A coup d’état is not the best solution in the Philippines today.
Our military officers aren’t mature enough to lead…
Can’t trust any of the top ranks – too corrupt to be any good – for the moment that is!
Otherwise, I too would be glad if a coup d’état could topple Gloria but, we aren’t sure the ones who’d make up the military government eventually wouldn’t be as bad…once they military have the guns, figuratively speaking, hard to make them toe the line, at least not the bunch today.
and you guys, all living comfortably abroad, honestly believe that this country can best be run by the military? very easy if you happen not to live in a country fast becoming a banana republic if the not so brilliant idea of institutionalizing coup d’ etat in the country will find its way.
when marcos declared martial law in 1972 he fully used the military to implement his oppressive rule by bribing them with fantastic financial concessions. marcos had the military’s bread fully buttered in order for them to strictly follow his every order and bidding.
as a result of generous bonanza, the most corrupt of them all live a life of the rich and famous, were able to construct mansion for their families and even their second, third for the promiscuous type, fill their garage with expensive and luxurious fleet of cars, acquire vast tract of properties, and set up legitimate businesses where their dirty money can be laundered. the most honest and decent military men were destined to live a spartan life (yes, honest and decent “few good men” in uniform still exist.)
marcos only knew too well that the military have to be pampered so that at the tip of the barrel of their guns, silent submission of an an outraged civilian population will be guaranteed. it is no wonder then that a lowly military officer with a rank of major and earning no less than P5,000 can well afford to buy an P8M mansion in an exclusive village and trot around the streets driving the latest car model.
the pampered military became politicized. most retired uniformed personnel eventually became politicians. military service of the most dependable were extended so many times. some were offered juicy positions in the cabinet or appointed executive positions or directorship seats in large and earning government owned and controlled corporation. some of those who remained in service develop messianic complex that evolved into what we now know as military adventurism. this explains why the rather popular cory government had to parry 8 coup attempts in its entire term.
military adventurism even lingers in ramos time. being himself one, he fully knew how the military mind works in and out and yet despite his firm and crisp grip of governmental power, his administration did not escape at least one real threat of military uprising of an agitated uniformed men. of course, the issue was later on resolved by a token penalty in the form of push-ups, and who knows, maybe later some irresistible rewards. but we knew that everyone was happy and ramos completed his term of office without any major incident occurring thereafter.
thailand has a record of 17 successful coup d’ etat. while thaksin’s government was already abhorred by ordinary thais as oppressive, sen. lacson in his political campaign ads in the last presidential election even praised thanksin’s iron-fist approach as a model of good governance because of the impressive and unquestionable economic gains it has attained in a short span of time. maybe that was necessary. and yet thanksin shinawatra was only curing a sick economy brought about by a coup staged 5 years before he became prime minister.
corruption was the last straw that broke the camel’s back of an otherwise popular shinawatra when a family-owned telecommunation company was sold to a singaporean group allegedly without paying the appropriate taxes.
corrupt leaders should be replaced, and they shoul be. but their replacement should be done constitutionally in an orderly fashion by the body politic which the power of an awakened civilian population properly belongs , not the military. it will take time, yes. but who says patience is not a virtue?
Did I say that? “and you guys, all living comfortably abroad, honestly believe that this country can best be run by the military?”
I’ve said “once they, the military have the guns, figuratively speaking, hard to make them toe the line, at least not the bunch today.”
Without doubt, the democratic process and not the martial process is still the best recourse – I agree!
Even the most miltarist of professional politicians will agree…
I also said, “A coup d’état is not the best solution in the Philippines today.
Our military officers aren’t mature enough to lead…”
Mature military officers would toe the line – they would realize that to make lasting gains, they’d have to revert to civilian rule, but our military men are not professionals enough to realize that martial rule isn’t the normal way of ruling a nation. George Washington, Napoleon & Wellington realized that.
Whatever the means, however they do it,
I hope and pray that a change of government happen ASAP in the country of my birth.
I couldn’t stand to see Inang Bayan go down in shambles.
Can’t help but look in awe as the Thais replicate EDSA1 as is, with the flowers and all those sea of yellow tees united in opposing Thaksin. I just can’t help but envy their united stand against someone they do not like to rule their country.
I wish, I wish….
Please Lord, SANA naman, NOW NA!
Bahala na po kayo. AMEN.
Title of entry: Coup jitters.
Read: Nanginginig ang tumbong ng taga-palasyo, part 2.
….Hale-hale-hoy!!!!
paging jun!…..mweheheheh!!!:roll:
Sige na nga! Give her the jitters… use Gloria as the human cannon ball!
Kundi ba naman, sasagot ba yung mga yun?
Besides, nag-meeting agad si gma.
Ano na naman kaya ang prinamis ng walang hiyang squatter sa Palasyo?
Look at Koizumi: he knows his time has ended. He knows his popularity has waned, so he stepped down and allowed others to take the helm.
WHEN will gloria know hers is not legitimate and that people despise her?
WALA bang “nagpapakita sa kanya at nag-a-advise na mga dark angel o yung mga namatay na mga santo [santito] nyang ninuno?” ‘Guidance from above’ sabi nga niya. Baka naman nag-proProzac na si madam at nagha-hallucinate at yung advise nya from below, not above!
Advise mo naman mommy mo, lu-lu-la-lu lu-la-lu-la-lu-la-ley luli! I know you’re readdiinngggggg!!!!
Holding hands sila ni Jun!
Taipan, we’ll make luli the 2nd cannon ball…
Ayos yun, anna!
Sarap makita na ganun…
Minsan I get really bad when I say I’d like gma and her fatso be given the same treatment as Romania’s dictator and his wife [the name escapes me!] who were hanged and killed. WALANG PATAWAD!
Establish a precedent so the next leaders would remember.
I like that: luli—-gets the same treatment as her look-alike momma! bleh-heh-heh!!
“Thailand, however has a long history of miltiary education; their military officers respect the tradition of officerhood. Many may be corrupt but there’s still that real respect for military officers’ tradition: honesty, loyalty and more importantly, HONOR.”
Anna, Thais couldn’t have had it any better; we could only envy them.
What sets the Thai military mindset apart from the rest, the Philippines’ military included, is that top generals have been preparing themselves, as they believe it is expected of them by their people, to put the country in their control and lead government when the situation calls for it. As our own soldiers emulate the defiance of a Lapulapu, the heroism of Katipuneros Bonifacio et al, and the valor of their WWII predecessors Villamor and comrades, Thai soldiers can relate only to, and take lessons from, putschists-turned-dictators as never in their history have they fought a full-scale war against foreign invaders.
Coup d’etat has been institutionalized as the ultimate Thai antidote for political decay – for long, its only internal enemy. Our constitution even adapted this very spirit; another reason the tyrant wants it changed.
Our own brand of coup d’etat, or at least what looked like it, had all the necessary requirements: ideology, leadership, popular support, and ready-to-die soldiers, they terribly missed one – logistics. While capturing military bases seemed to be the easiest of tasks, it was only until the rebels were able to commandeer a chopper and a Tora-Tora bomber that made victory apparent in 1989. Until the KJ F-14s buzzed them away.
I don’t know if anyone will concur, but we also had a “fake” coup in the 80’s. Remember the Black Saturday coup? It was that one that had soldiers led by Col. Reynaldo Cabauatan occupying TV station GMA-7.
Cabauatan is a nephew of Cory Aquino die-hard, now rabid anti-Gloria Jojo Binay. According to a RAM founder (who later mysteriously died when he “fell” from a PAF chopper) and brother of my friends’, Cabauatan staged the fake coup to penetrate the RAM heirarchy and locate Gringo who was then, as he is now, a fugitive. Cabauatan’s coup likewise sent him to hiding but as the RAM leaders did not trust him, he failed to connect with the slippery Gringo. Although a P1-M bounty for Cabauatan’s head was offered, he was only “captured” after Gringo was himself caught.
As any “uzi” teenager eager to catch a glimpse of the action, I, together with some friends raced to the nearby Rotonda Lodge in Pasay as soon as word reached us. We even got there before reporters came.
There was no Cabauatan, although the next day’s papers showed him in handcuffs, with a familiar neighborhood toughie, Tony De Silva, who was his “captor”. (De Silva is father to former teen heartthrob and Ruffa Guttierez ex-BF, Dennis. May showbiz pa! hehe!) Tony Kalkal – as he is known in the underworld, was a hired gun, redneck vigilante (whose Black Torana was made popular by tabloids as the vigilante’s car that dumps dead bodies faster than Kalkal can start the Torana. The bodies had cardboard with messages like “Holdaper. Huwag tularan” tied to them. He was way ahead of Duterte.) His exploits earned him respect (or fear) of all the hoodlums and thugs in Taft Ave. from Baclaran all the way to Caloocan.
With his fame, er, notoriety, Kalkal got the attention of Binay and other politicians who needed someone like him in their entourage. Binay got him deputized as civilian agent of CIS until we were told that he had been assigned as Noynoy Aquino’s close-in. He also got the P1-M reward for Cabauatan’s capture. Binay’s security catching his nephew who has a P1-M bounty, hehehe. Tony Kalkal, disappeared in the nineties and joined his dozens of victims in fertilizing the soil somewhere in Cavite when his remains were found.
(Teka, napunta kay Kalkal ang istorya!) But I can’t help telling Tony De Silva’s story whenever I had to if only to prove Binay is the common denominator between him and Cabauatan. And to correct the official count of real coup d’etats against Cory.
Another sideline, but very recent though, is that one of Col. Cabauatan’s brothers’, Jimmy, is actually one of the Erap 5 snatched and tortured by CIDG+ISAFP in Kamuning.
I am wary about a military take-over. The generals as it is are already so MAYABANG AT NAGMAMALAKI. They are so happy that almost everybody says that no change in government is possible without them. I would rather wait for SOMETHING or SOMEBODY TO HAPPEN but BY THE PEOPLE, not by the MIlitary,rather BY THE PEOPLE. I dream about a SNAP ELECTION where all of us FILIPINOS will be given a chance to elect OUR PRESIDENT and OFFICIALS who will help him/her. I don’t know how this can happen, but dreams do come true sometimes.
Text message going round:
Ang military sa Thailand, may bayag.
Ang military sa Philippines, may bayad.
haaay … naiwanan na talaga tayo ng thailand.
ipinagmamalaki ng gobyernong ito na tumaas na ang halaga ng peso versus dollar.
50 is to 1
pero ang thai baht ? 37 is to 1
ang taiwan dollar ? 31 is to 1
less than 10 years ago … almost magkapareho lang ang halaga ng tatlong currencies na yan versus the US dollar.
tapos ngayon , the Thai people with the help of the military can affect a change of leadership without violence .
and the change has been endorsed by the monarchy.
tsk tsk … kailan pa Pilipinas ?
Anong ‘political stability’ ang sinasabi ni Ermita at hindi mangyayari ang coup d’etat dito sa atin, di ba ang dami na ngang political killings under their illegal administration ni Arroyo?! At anong hindi military power grab, eh di ba mga high-ranking military na sangkot sa power grab at election cheating ang nakikinabang ngayon. The military is now even sharing power with the illegitimate executive leaders. (Not really following chain of command but actually sharing the illegitimate leadership). HABANG ANG TAONG BAYAN AY HILAHOD NA SA KAHIRAPAN AT PATULOY NA BINUBUSABOS NG ABUSONG ADMINISTRAYSON NG MGA ARROYO!!! NAKAKAINGGIT NGA ANG THAILAND! NOW THEY CAN START BUILDING THEIR COUNTRY. SANA TAYO DIN! NOW NA!!!!
The Philippines is an archipelago, any troop movement can easily be detected. This is also the reason why units not particularly in the administration’s control are assigned to the countryside. Only loyal units are deployed in Luzon. A coup at this time will not succeed because of the reasons I stated. Ellen is right to point out that our military “ay may bayad”, but those are only the one’s stationed in Luzon. The rest, the administration couldn’t care less as it will be a logistical nightmare for any unit to launch a coup from Visayas or Mindanao. It was a big blunder on Danny Lim’s part to announce his intentions to his CS. Sayang talaga.
Jitters talaga! The Glue will probably spend most of her time today and the following days inside Burloloy building, the nuclear class armored shelter built by Cory after 1989’s almost successful coup.
Another historical wrong: What most writers, even historians, record as December 1-7 ’89 coup or simply “December ’89 Coup” did not start December 1. It actually started on Nov. 30, more significantly, Bonifacio Day. I should know because it was a holiday and I was on a date with my future wife along with my kid sister and the maid at the carnival along Roxas Blvd. The next day being a working day, a Friday, I had to take my girlfriend home and make sure my little sister sleeps before midnight. As I drove into the Nichols Expressway booths, we saw soldiers alighting from about 14 10-wheeler closed aluminum vans, who started blockading the northbound lanes and signalled incoming vehicles to turn back towards the direction of Alabang. It was 11:00 pm.
We exited Bicutan and as we passed in front of Camp Bagong Diwa, I stopped and asked the gatekeepers if they knew what was happening. The reply was, “May nagbabalak na naman ng Coup, ipagdasal nyo na lang.” I didn’t bother ask kung sino ang ipagdadasal. On the way back I already know we cannot pass Nichols via SLEX so I drove through the East Service Road. Upon reaching Sales Bridge, that which connects Nichols Air Base with Fort Bonifacio, I told my sister and the maid to look if there are tanks outside Fort Bonifacio’s
Gates, as I was taking SLEX again, they said there were none.
What surprised us was that the tanks and about 200 soldiers were already in front of us in the middle of the bridge and the one directing traffic waved his flashlight at us, looked at our faces and said, “bilis, bilis!” A small tank with “YOU” in white paint in the sides was blocking the path down from the bridge so I flashed my headlights to get the tank driver’s attention. I did, and the tank’s turret pointed to our direction. All the soldiers, too. At that point I raised both my hands and opened the car’s dome lights and I saw, hoping the soldiers would too, that my sister was already crying and the maid praying. The tank unblocked our path and I headed down the bridge at a speed I never thought my car could achieve. Even my pulse rate could have been one for Guiness, and I almost wet my pants.
We were home in Pasay before midnight and I immediately called our office and informed the guard who was on overnight duty to be alert. My office was at the foot of Nagtahan Bridge, a few meters from Malacañang’s gates. The maid told our mayordoma what she saw and the mayordoma called up DZRH, the radio station that was famous then for their blow-by-blow accounts of the coups. It wasn’t on radio yet.
The next day, I learned that the Marines, headed by RAM Col. Romelito Gojo, had already taken Villamor Air Base and was back to control Fort Bonifacio when we chanced upon them at the bridge.
So there, historians, real and wanna-be, two first hand accounts of the coup d’etats in the Phils. with accurate details of events and facts that have been previously reported erroneously: Cabauatan’s fake coup and the Nov. 30 ’89 coup.
Related Topic: Here’s a note from Arkibo—
The Justice and Peace Desks/Commissions of the Redemptorist Fathers, Religious of the Good Shepherd Sisters, Benedictine Sisters, Augustinian Sisters, Missionary Sisters of Mary, Carmelite Fathers, Order of St. Camillus, Order of Friars Minor and Missionaries of the Sacred Heart invited the relatives of the victims and the public to a Concelebrated Mass at the Baclaran Church for the victims of the Marcos dictatorship and eundeclared Martial Lawf under Arroyo.
For photos and text please visit http://www.arkibongbayan.org, or:
http://www.arkibongbayan.org/2006-09Sept20-massforvictims/baclarandayforjustice.htm
Arkibong Bayan Web Team
Participating in this campaign definitely is one way of showing and doing what should be done regardless of whether or not these campaigns are all useless, futile, null and void especially with an AFP that is headed by generals on the payroll of the looters at Malacanang and cannot or will not do a Thai!!!
PATALSIKIN NA, NOW NA!
Ellen, Anna:
I’m joining the candle rally in front of the Philippine Embassy tonight that a group of concerned Japanese are holding to protest against the political killings in the Philippines that the Boba denies exist despite the more than 750 victims that have already been downed to keep her in power!!!
I’m getting their statement and will take pictures for publication in the Arkibo website in connection with a call for a worldwide rally today on these political killings.
Schumey,
What is pathetic really is how this government has destroyed beyond repair the image of the Philippine military. I sincerely feel sorry for the soldiers who enter the service not just for money but for love of country, and then are made to look like the pataygutom that these generals on the payroll of Malacanang have become. It’s degrading, and it was actually what Trillanes was fighting for to correct.
When the Boba instituted the Balikatan even in defiance of existing laws against foreign troops being detailed in the Philippines even on some boggy visiting forces agreement, I saw a picture of a soldier or two looking like atsoy instead of dignified soldiers of the Philippines carrying toiletries for the US soldier who must have given them a few dollars for the services they were willing to give him. Labas talaga mukhang pataygutom!!!
It must be so degrading that a lot of them are leaving to accept jobs overseas even as mercenaries that may also be as degrading but for a much higher pay in US dollar and other foreign currencies!!!
I can understand Danny Lim’s feelings, and why he had to take such risk. Sometimes, Schumey, you reach a point of your endurance and become so enflamed that you lose your sense of balance and just cannot care less about the consequences! Unfortunately, there were not so many brave ones like him and Querubin!
Ellen,
I like that one:
Ang military sa Thailand, may bayag.
Ang military sa Philippines, may bayad.
Thanks for the idea. Will make a placard with this jingle for tonight!!!
Cory by the Sea,
Boba to step down? Nevah!
You should have heard of the tantrums when she was a little girl and even now perhaps. Parang autistic daw iyan na hindi hihinto ng iyak kung hindi masunod! Baka autistic nga, and having this fetish for telling lies and cheating!!! Diyan siya magaling!!! Tapos nakatagpo ng kapareho niyang autistic din, patay na!!!
PATALSIKIN NA, NOW NA!
All these claim by the unreliable AFP that the political killings are done by the NPA is I am told BS by the very same NPA commander who is bothered by his conscience for the political killings he and his fellow NPAs ordered on suspected infiltrators in their ranks sometime in the 70’s.
He says the AFP now is bluffing to cover up the sins of the administration of the bogus president because the truth is that a lot many of them have already put down their guns and thought to lead normal lives after Cory Aquino recognized their right to exist, and whatever military activity they held in recent years is more in retaliation to the abuses the peasants are made to suffer under this fake administration.
Otherwise, they are just like anyone trying to have a semblance of a normal existence under the more trying circumstances.
I’m no commie but I am for the recognition of ALL Filipinos, commies and otherwise!!!
If a coup succeeds, the officers who plotted together with the soliders become heroes. If they fail, then they become rebels. That’s what happened to Gringo and his men during Cory’s regime as well as the Magdalo group under this bogus presidency. The moral lesson to learn is next time they plan a coup, they better make sure it succeeds.
ALL that is necessary for the forces of EVIL
to win in this world, is for enough GOOD men
to do nothing!
——W.Burke.
Wala na bang MABUTIng tao sa Pinas?
Wala na ba?
We desperately need you to take the helm!
Pleeeeaaseee!!!
Taipan says – “Baka naman nag-proProzac na si madam at nagha-hallucinate at yung advise nya from below, not above!”
Teka, teka muna. Matalinghaga ang sinabi mo. You mean she is getting advice habang siya ay nakapatong???
FROM HELL….
dats wat I mean!
may gudnes! 🙄
The AFP won’t launch a coup against Gloria. That’s because Gloria has fed him well, and as Anna said, Esperon can’t get the good men under him to follow him. So Esperon shoudn’t sleep too soundly. The coup could be launched directly against him.
That would render Ermita inutile as the military link of Gloria. And it’s automatic. Gloria falls.
ystakei-san says:” Boba to step down? Nevah!
You should have heard of the tantrums when she was a little girl and even now perhaps. Parang autistic daw iyan na hindi hihinto ng iyak kung hindi masunod! Baka autistic nga,xxxx
I know that glue will never step down. She just won’t!
IBA yata ang hangin sa Malacanang: Pera ng Bayan at her disposal and the power to stop, mum people by simply placing orders to her tuta-generals.
gloria will go down in history as the only woman who occupied Malacanang becoz she grabbed power from Erap.
Neither was she elected in 2004!!
Cory by the Sea,
I can call Marcos and Erap “President” not that I am being partial but no one can claim that they were never voted by Filipinos especially Erap despite the propaganda even by the Catholic Church led by the sinful Sin that he was not qualified! But the Boba? Nevah!
I just cannot give this crook that honor that she does not deserve—definitely not until she allows an impeachment hearing to prove or disprove that she won in 2004. As for 2001, we all know it was a manipulation of even those who were duped that she was harmless and sinto-sinto! Ang pandak kasi at hindi nila akalaing demonya pala! What they did not notice apparently was she was merely a camouflage for there is someone pulling the string that is not even as inconspicuous kasi debu-chan, ang laki—karada dake ne!!! Achi wa—-shiran!
Hontoni hara ga tatsu! Kuyashii!
Diego,
Forget about Bush! Ang daming problema ng taong iyan to be bothered at the moment about the Philippines. As Anna said, andiyan naman iyong CIA agent nila. If he feels like it, he will recommend what’s best for US interest. But definitely, the Americans think the Midget is in fact poison! Hindi puedeng pagkatiwalaan. Dugong aso kasi! Ikaw na ang maging apo ni Lazaro Macapagal unless of course she has other bloods in her vains, or some legion inside her telling her to do the things that she does now! Possessed pa pala!
PATALSIKIN NA,NOW NA!
Cory by the Sea,
Meron naman, iha, kaya lang kung iisa lang nga naman siya, ano ang magagawa niya lalo pa ngayon pati matador (kumakatay ng baboy, baka, kambing, etc) ay exported na rin sa ibang bansa. Naniniguro si Boba na walang tataga sa kanya ng itak kung wala nang makuhang baril!
Kaya tulungan natin silang lumaban kahit na nasa ibang bansa tayo, even to stop the spending spree of this world trotter on government junket. Tangna wala namang silbi ang pinaggagawa. Peddling Filipinos lang ang kayang business! Bugaw pa ang labas! Pwe
Oops, I have to go. Mamalantsa pa ako ng T-shirt na susuotin ko with the logo of the political killing. I’m using the one by the Creative Artists.
I’ll send the iron-on prints tomorrow via Takkyubin. I still have to buy the paper kasi I could not find the one I printed out a week ago.
PATALSIKIN NA, NOW NA!
Cory,
Alitaptap is just kidding kasi naman ang sabi ni Boba, 3 times a day, 7 days a week and more or less 30 days a month, nagse-sex siya!!! Maniac pa aside from being autistic!!!
GMA jarred by Thai coup, orders loyalty check (part copied)
By Sherwin C. Olaes
09/21/2006
President Arroyo and her aides, jarred by the news of the ouster of Thai Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra through an overnight military coup, quickly ordered a loyalty check on the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP).
Malacañang, shortly after the news of a Thai coup broke, through Executive Secretary Eduardo Ermita quickly called AFP Chief of Staff Hermogenes Esperon Jr. and reportedly asked him to conduct a loyalty check.
At the same time, the Palace raised the probability of declaring martial law, saying this was a constitutional privilege that can be utilized by the President, if the need arises, but Ermita claimed Mrs. Arroyo hopes the events that led to then President Ferdinand Marcos’ imposition of martial rule would not occur, for her to declare martial law. Today is the 34th anniversary of the Marcos martial law declaration.
here is one good example of a panicking paranoid leader who does not even think of the outcome of her would-be-decisions. declaring martial law as a constitutional privilege? really, a genius who does not learn from the lessons of the past. a power hungry elite who does not want to be out of malacanan palace but cannot respect the mandate (?) of her office.
anna, please do not count general lim out of the trust you have in the present AFP leadership. the only problem is that ass licking dogs of gloria labandera are on top posts.
21 September 2006
PLease, please, the cou will not happen in the Philippines, you ask why??? simple, the military has gloria by the neck, its the other way around that gloria has the AFP in the neck. Think of it this way, whatever the military wants, gloria gives.
So if I were the AFP why should I make a coup??? the AFP who is really on top of this administration, will do a coup????naaaaaaa……
Look at all those ex-AFP/PNP who are now holding key positions in this government. Plaparan is one who will be given a key position in the gloria government.
So that’s it, there’s no need to make a coup at this time for the AFP. They have the president (illegal) hostage. Question, who is the Executive Secretary fo Gloria???Ermita right??? a military man himself, so I rest my case. The militarization of the civil service is already in effect since gloria grabbed the power from then sitting president.
So goodbye to military coup d’etat.
prans
Question: In 1997, the Catholic Church, Iglesia ni Cristo, El Shaddai, and progressive groups opposed attempts by the People’s Initiative for Reforms, Modernization and Action or Pirma to push a people’s initiative. Where are these religious groups today?
Like the suspicions about the motives for the current administration’s moves to amend the Constitution, the fears at the time were that then president Fidel Ramos intended to use charter change to perpetuate himself in power. Today, Gloria Arroyo is doing the same thing. Again, where are the groups in 1997? Do their silence means they agree now? That they prefer GMA to FVR?
You’re right Anna; we don’t have military leaders mature enough to lead the country. Am just a hopeless optimist hoping against hope for anything just to get rid of that “kapit sa tuko, kapit sa patalim” woman by the side of the stinking Pasig river!
Magaling talaga ang mga Pinoy sa text messaging, at tama naman sila about our military. Yon nga lang, sa mga higher officers lang applicable siguro. Yung dalawa kong nephews are junior officers but nakakasiguro akong wala pa..wala pang bayad(thank God!)!
Ellen,
All these blah-blahs of the Malacanang puppies and their master about the Philippines not being able to see a coup is more like saying “OK lang kasi wala naman mga bayag ang military natin. We have made sure of that!” In short, mga Eunuch sila ni Ale Boba!
ellen, everyone, mas tamang sabihin ganito:
ang military sa thailand, may bayag
ang military sa philippines, may bayad
at HAWAK SA BAYAG ni illigitimate & immoral gloria
Timang bagay sa yo pangalan mo ha. Mas ganito ang tama.
Ang Oposisyon sa Thailand Responsible kaya winnable.
Ang Oposisyon sa Pinas ay madugas kaya minamalas.
BANGKOK 919
BANGKOK EFFECT
BANGKOK SYNDROME
mamili kayo?
karamihan sa mga major dailies ngayon ay iyan ang HEADLINES at FRONTPAGE PICTURE.
40% ng Front page space ng mga dyaryo ay kinain na ng mga imahe sa Thailand.
There’s a difference between “READING and WATCHING” –Daniel Unger .
Hanggang nood at basa na lang ba tayo?
Nakakatawa ang mga alagad ni bansot. Isa-isa ay nagbibigay ng opinion tungkol sa Thailand coup. Tapos sasabihin na hindi mangyayari iyon sa Pilipinas. Eh, bakit ba sila paranoid?? Sino bang nagsabing gagayahin natin ang Thailand? Sa sitwasyon ngayon ng ating military units, na lahat ng commanders ay “hawak daw sa bayag” ni bansot, sino nga ba ang pwedeng mag-lead? Sabi pa ni Ermita, the government and the military are stable, kuntento sa kasalukuyang leader. Ang Bayan kaya kuntento din? Nakalimutan nila isama sa components ng isang bansa ang mamamayan. Magkampi-kampi man si bansot, military, at mga aso niya, kung walang taong-bayan, anong mangyayari?
Ang totoo, lahat ng nasa malacanang ay natatakot, nanginginig, hindi mapakali, nangangatog, malamang ma high-blood lahat, dahil alam nila ang kanilang mga kasalanan sa tao. Pa-idol-idol pa si bansot kay thaksin……pahiya tuloy siya!!! Palagay ko lang, kahit hindi mag-alsa ang tao ngayon, si bansot at lahat ng mga aso niya ay magkukusang umalis sa malacanang, dahil sa takot!!! BWAHHHHH!!!
so i guess it is true, the thai king endorsed the coup and appointed the coup leader to head a new governing council.
politicaljunkie.blogspot.com/2006/09/thai-king-backs-coup-confirms-army.html
hahaha Yuko, Anna, i like that!!!..Ermita is talking thru his ass..ang baho siguro noon!!!!…we need people like Trillanes et al who are nt afraid for the truth…puro supot ang mga naka-abang ngayon,puro pa pogi-points lang para masabing mga bayani sila pagka sakaling may nangyari nga…aba hibang na hibang ang mga legion of doom…talagang ine-expect nilang magka coup d’etat!!! baka naman mag-stage sila ng sarili nilang de-stabilization para mawala ng attention natin sa pcgg, jok-jok bolate, guimaras problems, libel cases for the flavor-of-the-month ni fatguy, nursing scam, subic rape case, et al…kc puro may appointees ng pandak bruha ang involved syan…kaya naman ganyan…alam mo naman ang admin na ito..showbiz na showbiz ang dating..with fulky scripted presscon pagka di kapos sa oras….
i jst mentioned in anthr loop, if even wearing a tshirt with the words “coup na coup na ako”, will that make anyone invite me in crame?…u bet there will be a 24/7 surveillance in my home n the lives of my kids threatened..this is the concern here frends…gustohin man natin, kahit sa tahimik na pag-express ng ating saloobin, ay ino-opress pa rin tayo…atlst there is “freedom of speech” here kahit paano..sadly though nt a majority can read them so as to be enlighthened…
meanwhile, we pray, we pray that our inang bayan be in a better position before christmas time….
ito namang mga ambassador natin…karamihan dyan mga OA at exagg…kung hindi tatamad-tamad ay puro pagpapalaki ng balakang at bayag…kesyo to stay home daw ang mga Pinoy ek-ek…hay naku, siguradong kung pwed mag declare sya ng evacaution agad he will do so, syempre pa kc ‘we need budget’ di ba? Hah!!!!kahit pa sabihin puro specualtion tayo dito, atlst totoo naman, hindi malayong mangyari!!!!,,nt targeting this particular ambassador na i dnt knw of…i am pertaining to those na applicable..kung baga bato-bato sa langit….tamaan sisigaw ng ‘patay!’
Babagsak lalo kasi ang Pinas pag itong oposisyon ang humawak. Mantakin mo kontra ng kontra pag tinanong mo kung anong gagawin nila sa pinas pag sila ang naupo ay wla namang alternatives. Anong klaseng oposisyon yan. Basta paalisin si Gloria bahala na kung anong mangyari sa Pinas pagka-alis ni Gloria. Puede ba yon? esep esep naman. Hanggang pangarap lang kayo at kayo’y nga oposisyon lang sa salitang oposisyon hindi para sa bayan. Ni ayaw at takot ngang magpakulong ng mga yan pano pa magmamalasakit sa bayan. Remember yung mga matatapang daw na makakaliwa. Ilang linggong nagtago sa congress nag-aksaya pa ng koryente ang mga kumag. And yes si Gringo, nasan na yon akala ko ba matapang yon, numero unong duwag pala kaya hanggang ngayon nasa lungga. The truth is dahil natalo kayo sa eleksiyon akala ninyo katapusan na ng mundo kaya gusto ninyong idamay ang bansa sa pag bagsak ninyo. Ang layo ninyo sa panahon ng mga Marcos opposition na di dinawit ang bansa sa pagbagsak nila hanggang kamatayan like Ninoy, Evelio Javier and many other killed by Marcos regime. Kayo ang pahirap at malas sa bansa alam nyo ba yon.
“Mantakin mo kontra ng kontra pag tinanong mo kung anong gagawin nila sa pinas pag sila ang naupo ay wla namang alternatives.”
I would have Gloria and her cabal of looters hanged from the highest lamp posts!
“Matalinghaga”
Ang lalim naman niyan, Alitaptap!
Mrivera,
Nope, I never put BrgigGen Lim out of the list of good officers.
If there was one in that country of ours who has the balls to stake his rank and person, for the good of his country, it’s him.
I do hope his spirit has not been broken by this shithead Esperon!
“I would have Gloria and her cabal of looters hanged from the highest lamp posts!”
In other words, BITAYIN!
Tongue:
“Our own brand of coup d’etat, or at least what looked like it, had all the necessary requirements: ideology, leadership, popular support, and ready-to-die soldiers, they terribly missed one – logistics. ”
I think “leadership” was also missing… Honasan was not a leader in the strictest military officer sense of the word.
Logistics? There were (and still are) enough logistics in the AFP and major service arsenals to use in a coup d’état adventure but when leadership was missing, it would be hard to move the logistics. Sergeants are crucial to moving them – but if the officers who would have wanted to stage a coup d’état did not have the absolute trust and loyalty of the lower rank and file, officers would find it difficult to move the logistics.
A decent army is virtually “run” by sergeants!
Remember: never give an order that will not or cannot be obeyed… or the officer will have to shoot the soldier-trooper.
Mrivera, who was an NCO would agree… the trooper is in the first line of fire, to stake his life in a coup d’état, he must have absolute trust and confidence in his officer.
Not even a general rank can change the course of events, unless the lower rank and file are prepared to “die” with him.
Ask LtGeneral Vic Mayo – he had a horrible experience when he brought down his troops from Quezon… his own aide was shaking with fear during a confrotation against coup d’étatists vs Cory, the guy shot his own foot!
Ask BGen Pete Juachon, former camp commander, Camp Aguinaldo, he couldn’t rouse his own troops to defend Camp Aguinaldo against forces who were on the brink of runnig over the camp… Gen Rene de Villa relieved Juachon on the dot and replaced him by then (PN) Capt Billy Marcelo to make the stand.
Anna…they sould be hanged upside down so their guts will go out thru their foul mouth and nose and ears!!!!…btw hav u seen my coments in the other loop re all these french shitheads in leClub? 🙂
Ermita knows the mentality of the AFP rank and file through and through that’s why he can say those things.
If he could give an envelope (containing money) to a reporter who was covering the Malacanang beat and felt he could get away with it – why shouldn’t he?
Yeah, Soleil, I just read them, thanks!
Maybe, you should send me your e-mail through Ellen (Ellen, would you mind too much if she courses her e-mail address trhough you?) so we can get in touch!
sure..Ellen has my email…will be a privilege 🙂 ….
As long as Gloria PREVENTS the TRUTH from coming out, she is taunting her fate.
Gloria getting ejected from office is not anymore a matter of IF, but a matter of WHEN and HOW.
ay..i thnk am s’pose to say will be an honor to get i touch with u personally 🙂
Soleil,
The honor and privilege are mine!
“Gloria getting ejected from office is not anymore a matter of IF, but a matter of WHEN and HOW.”
I think so too, Chabeli!
fencesitter, i am one of those guys living abroad quite comfortably but am not for a military takeover.maybe i am different from the others since i still have all my brothers and sisters in the pinas but it’s not only because of that.people cannot think well with guns and cannons around them.some here talk about the military as being a training ground for leaders and cited persons as examples as well, which is also true.leadership is a subject taught today in all professions i suppose but to be a good leader cannot be learned in any training ground.this is a quality they must have.gma is a bad leader but palparan would have been worse.bush is a bad leader, bad student as well.eisenhower graduated among the last in his class but became a good leader both in the military as well as in politics.mcarthur finished at the top of his class and became a good military leader but not good enough in american politics.nobody knows if what happened in thailand is good for thailand.only time will tell this.so far at least the military promised to return power to civilians which judging from previous ones is also possible but for me what happened in thailand is a setback to democracy.the best would have been that the guilty accept their guilt and relinquish its power without the intrusion of the military. of course these are only my opinion and cannot represent others.
“people cannot think well with guns and cannons around them.”
True! They make people jittery.
“what happened in thailand is a setback to democracy.”
Problem is Pinas has a bogus democracy today… there’s really nothing to set back.
If a coup d’état has to be launched in the Philippines effectively, LtColonels and Colonels must be counted upon.
Never mind the star-rank… they’re not always the best coup d’étatists.
ystakei-san,
Arigatou-san!
Kochira koso, kuyashiiii!!! Are oni da!
She’s a devil, just like dubya was tagged devil by Hugo Chavez at his UN speech.
I know alitaptap is just making biro about it. Maybe I was vague in my statement, that’s why. Thanks for the reminder.
Btw, Yuko, Taipan,
Good luck! Fair wind (sailing wind and not the mabaho wind of Ermita!)
LULI says: “The truth is dahil natalo kayo sa eleksiyon akala ninyo katapusan na ng mundo kaya gusto ninyong idamay ang bansa sa pag bagsak ninyo.”xxxx
NATALO?
SINO ang natalo? Kawawa ka naman, dsitorted ang utak mo, distorted pa rin ang mata mo. Umuwi ka na at maglinis ng bahay. Baka hinahanap ka na ni glue.
arf! arf! 🙄
Taipan,
Where was that published?
what happened in thailand is only good for thailand, only time will tell this…the best that the guilty accept their guilt…
norpil…this may well true..here in pinas, we are jst so so sakal…i mean the poor are more and more nearer living in the gutter than ever before, while the rest of the countrys economic balance is in a state of hypocracy(?)..whatever will happen in the philippines will be for the philippines..we are also here norpil and yes i can feel your anxiety when u say your siblings are still here..all the more that we here, who feel that life should be better for everyone and not only for the privilege few must be achieved. if these minions and legion of doom are nt guilty of anyting, why are they so nervous and even in anticipation of a coup d’etat? why do they have to blurt that the country are nt in any threat?..come one!!!!as i say, the fish is always caught by its mouth…kahit hindi tinatanong biglang kakanta…while those we want to ‘sing’ and ‘tell the truth’ are the ones who are daring DEAL or NO DEAL!..i will say then COUP or NO COUP!!!!
Cahbeli says: xxx”As long as Gloria PREVENTS the TRUTH from coming out, she is taunting her fate.
Gloria getting ejected from office is not anymore a matter of IF, but a matter of WHEN and HOW.”xxx
Amen to that!
KUNG hindi ngayon, KAILAN?
Kung hindi via COUP, PAANO?
Anna, Look up. Jun posted that and, knowing how Luli surfs and hides behind different aliases, I took the liberty to address “jun” as Luli….
In the Philippine setting today, a coup d’état is a very dangerous option, not for the people in power but for the common tao…
Gloria will have given the order personally “to shoot”.
When a couple of ordinary civilians are killed in a coup d’état mayhem, she reckons, people will be dismayed. And when a trooper sees blood on the street, adrenalin will rush through his brain and will be prepared to shoot people at random.
When that happens, you gotta be able to count on the “disloyal” to Gloria rank and file to protect the civilians… PROBLEM is could we trust that there’s enough “disloyal” elements in the AFP to counter fire from Gloria’s well-heeled troopers and protect the citizenry?
A coup d’état is a huge gamble in today’s Philippines.
Thanks, Anna…
I may not be able to join rallies like Yuko-san, but I can distribute them to people under my care who are Trainees here in different car factories. Plus the Pinays who have married Japanese Nationals in this area.
AND I shall wear those when I go back home…..which is quite often, if we count those business trips for interviews of applicants in our Program. Let’s see if the Immigration officials warn me. Tee-hee!
Even if Coup d’étatists are prepared to shoot the people in Malacanang, there is no assurance that they will win and even if they did, how sure are we that they will give people back their democracy?
As I said, I don’t trust the AFP today.
Thanks too Taipan!
tutal pinas naman ang nagpa-uso ng peaceful people power and mahilig sa coup d’etat why not d ba?!!!…sasabihin na mga wala tayong utak kc we dont knw the consequences…by golly juan de carabao….we knw the effects, the forex will plunge or so, the investors will be nervous, etc etc etc…on the other hand, we will see who are the real players and the so-called players and the real evilness of this administration…hirap kc puro sat-sat nga..the oposisyong should talk among themselves and for once be agreeable for just one cause, to kick the bogus so-called account executive of this country!…then we will see who will say what, without the cloud of EO1, 1017 or whatever lintek EO pandak bruha concocted…
oh Anna, i will cry with wat u said..but they are so true…the poor ordinary vendor around the corner will be an ez target and excuse..he will be an automatic subversive..if ever there will be a coup..i would say it will be a 50/50 chance. 50/50 that it will be bloody and not bloody..although judging by wat u mentioned and the style of this bitch-witch, she is definitely a henchwoman and murder is nothing to her..
oppsss..time out, have to prepare dinner, the troop will be home soon….ciao
taipan88, Anna de Brux:
Let’s just wait and see how events unfold. We must be patient. We must all be reminded that it is NOT Gloria and her Legions who can make this country soar to greater heights. It is the FILIPINOS WHO MAKE THE STRONG REPUBLIC. We must not be deceived by Gloria and her Legions.
The easier road to take is for those who care about the Philippines to just sit, watch and complain–although this would be to Gloria’s advantage. We MUST, in our own simple way, and even how small, do our share to EJECT GLORIA. I continue to believe in the POWER of the people. Filipinos have what it takes!
“We MUST, in our own simple way, and even how small, do our share to EJECT GLORIA.”
I agree without any reservation…
Soleil,
“although judging by wat u mentioned and the style of this bitch-witch, she is definitely a henchwoman and murder is nothing to her..”
I will be very, very surprised if Gloria has not taken it upon herself, since she considers herself the “commander-in-chief, AFP”, to personally, verbally issue an order to Esperon, as her chief of staff for a shoot to kill in case of a coup d’état attempt.
Next to impossible that she hasn’t done that. The very nature of the woman speaks for her.
When she says that she is catolica cerrada, that’s a load of bullshit.
Oh, Soleil, bon appetit!
Cory has aptly described the personality of Gloria: a pragmatist!
Gloria’s claim about her being religious is pure unadulterated shit!
Right on, chabeli!
Pilipinas is NOT gloria and gloria is NOT the Philippines.
TINGA lang si gloria sa magandang Bayan natin.
Dapat batuhin ng kamatis na bulok iyang si Gloria!
Like what you did, Anna de Brux, you did your share when Gloria visited Belgium. That’s why your efforts must be commended…maybe when Gloria is ousted, we should all have a beer and celebrate! In the meantime, we do what we can.
Hey, Chabeli, when Gloria is ousted, I’ll drink that beer with you!
Anna says:
Gloria’s claim about her being religious is pure unadulterated shit!
xxx
Pakitang tao lang yung pagka-relihiyosa nya!
Take this:
“A tyrant must put on the appearance of uncommon devotion to religion. Subjects are less apprehensive of illegal treatment from a ruler whom they consider god-fearing and pious. On the other hand, they do less easily move against him, believing that he has the gods on his side.”
—-Aristotle* /
image lang yun…para kunwari…ahem…ahem!
And Chabeli, I ain’t a beer drinking fella but on that occasion, I promise I will drink beer…
Taipan,
Billy Esposo wrote something about that – before the 1998 presidential elections or thereabouts, a white paper appeared about gloria’s sexual shenanigans while she was a student in the US; Billy was then the campaign manager (I think) or campaign advertising thinker of some sort and although he didn’t say that Gloria’s sexual shenanigans were true, Billy did say that they in the team, had to counter-attack by promoting Gloria as being religious… And it worked! Lots of media men were conned!
Besides, Gloria could have never stayed that long in power (what with the temptations of greed, corruption, graft, power, etc. including the more than 700 extra judicial and political killings) had she been truly religious!
As you say, pakitang tao talaga!
So, I reiterate “Gloria’s claim about her being religious is pure unadulterated shit!”
Ha ha ha. Let’s cheers nalang to ANY drink then, Anna de Brux, when D-Day comes! Until then…tuloy ang laban!
I mean it, the woman is extraordinarily vicious!
Si Imelda? Saint compared sa kanya!
hehehhe! Chabeli, siguro, better to drink the local lambanog na lang!
We must be aware always that Gloria is a POLITICAL ANIMAL (dog would be more apt,no?). When the cameras and lights are on, she on illusion-mode; her being religious, and as some her close friends like to say that she is not vindictive, are all part of the illusion. And who, if I may ask, is the master of deception or illusion? THE DEVIL. Beware of Gloria–a wolf in sheep’s clothing.
Chabeli,
If we are to call her a political animal, which she is, the correct technical term for a female political dog that Gloria is should be a POLITICAL BITCH!
jun, kung magsalita ka parang ang tapang tapang mo? hallucination mo lang ‘yan! kung sino sino ang idinadamay mo! bakit kung hindi ba sa ginawa noong paglulunsad ng edsa uno laban sa marcos administration na sinamahan ni gringo, makakapag-post ka ba nang ganyan? magagamit mo kaya ang freedom of blind expressions mo? bakit mo ipinagpipilitang “kayo” samantalang wala naman sa mga naririto ang naghahangad na mapapwesto? bakit ba laging umuusok ang puwet mo sa galit kung ayaw namin sa palpak na pamamalakad ng ninang mong maligno? bayaran ka talaga, ano?
“jun…bakit ba laging umuusok ang puwet mo sa galit kung ayaw namin sa palpak na pamamalakad ng ninang mong maligno? bayaran ka talaga, ano?”
Hahahahahah!
Kawawa naman si jun na kalaguyo ni luli arroyo!
Cool ka lang Mrivera – baka mabaril mo pa iyan!
ayaw ninyong maniwalang relihiyosa si gloria? di ba may kamag-anak na santo at lahi sila ng mga banal? di ba sabi niya na hinirang siya ng diyos upang paglingkuran nang tapat ang pilipinas? nakita n’yo naman, maganda ang ekonomiya, tumataas ang halaga ng piso, abot kaya ng mga maralita ang presyo ng pangunahing bilihin, nakakapag-aral ang lahat sa mga de klaseng eskuwelahan, maraming trabaho, maganda ang peace and order situation, tahimik ang paligid na pwede kang maglakad kahit anong oras sa gabi na walang gagalaw. o, di ba ‘yan ang leadership ng pamilya banal administration? sunoooooooogggggg!!!!! binabangugot ako!!!! saklolooooooooo!!!!!
……binabangungot
Ahhh… these are the effects of a coup d’état!
“Thai leaders ban political action
The leaders of Thailand’s coup ban all meetings and other activities by political parties, two days after taking power.”
As I’ve said, it’s no game to have martial rule…
anna, gma could have been your neighbor if there had been a coup while she was in belgium.she may as well have been accepted by pinoys there since she is a devout catholic(?) it seems.being related to teresa from avila she might be a qualified neighbor.
Pretty democratic, people in Brussels are!
But I don’t easily subscribe to democracy when it comes to Gloria.
I probably would have released my dogs accidentally if she had been a neighbour…
My dogs can smell rats! They don’t like rats like Gloria who chew democratic fibers. They’d have chased her like a bitch on heat that she is.
You know Norpil, to be perfectly frank with you, when Gloria was here in Europe, it occurred to me that it was the perfect timing for a coup d’état in the Philippines.
I reckon, it didn’t happen coz the resident CIA in Pinas must have been making his rounds of the AFP and military officers talking to officers, making them feel that it wouldn’t be wise to do anything of the sort. He didn’t have to say things as crudely as such (as I do) but Pinoy officers would have gotten the message that a coup d’état adventure while the rat was away, er the cat I mean, wouldn’t have Uncle Sam’s blessing.
Ahh, typing the phrase “resident CIA” in this blog will be immediately data-mined in Langley!
The guys over there will trace my IP to my address here…
Hmmm.
“a coup d’état adventure while the rat was away, er the cat I mean, wouldn’t have Uncle Sam’s blessing.”
Sigurista kasi ang marami sa AFP!
Ellen,
Nagin loka na itong si Gloria:
“Arroyo vows to fight tyranny as nation remembers Martial Law”
So she will fight herself?
agree with you anna.hope you donot have a rotweiler for i would have pitied her..somebody must take a chance if they have to unseat her and if she still has the blessing of this big uncle, who would dare then.their best chance is gone i suppose. though i donot like to give credit to her, it seems to me she is always a step ahead of her detractors. but if she has all her money in europe maybe this uncle is zealous and who knows.but then again this uncle will get the credit and whoever is placed on top will again be on debt to the big uncle..i hope the solution will be a civilian one and soon for there will be little chance of interference.
Ok lang kahit taun taon mag-coup de etat sa Thailand, dahil may unifying force sila, their King. kahit mga Heneral na nag-topple sa Prime Minister, bow din sa King. Siguradong walang civil war sa Thailand. Isang sabi lang ng King, sunod lahat ng mga Thai.
Eh dito?
Meron bang unifying force ang “united opposition”? Last time I heard, each one of them is the unifying force.
Let me share a paradox – the military is needed for people power to succeed, while the people are needed for a coup attempt to succeed.
Desperado na ang “united opposition” kaya it is now trying to win over the military. Kaso nga lang, the people are not out in the streets. So what’s the military to do? No people power to support. No people to support them in case they stage a coup attempt.
KUNG NAKAUPO PA RIN SI ATE GLUE, DAHIL NA RIN SA “UNITED OPPOSITION”
Di mangyayari dito yung nangyari sa Thailand.
And to all of you who are abroad, I quote an earlier post of fencesitter:
“and you guys, all living comfortably abroad, honestly believe that this country can best be run by the military? very easy if you happen not to live in a country fast becoming a banana republic if the not so brilliant idea of institutionalizing coup d’ etat in the country will find its way.” – fencesitter
No, Norpil, not rottweilers, but head dog of K9 team is fiercer than a rottweiler; her name is Sweety and thinks she’s a staffordshire (u know the one they use in dog fights) but can be very sweet except when she doesn’t like a rival, eg, a political dog, so often acts like a bull terrier (you know doesn’t let go a prey as big as an Irish Wolfhound!)…
“Ok lang kahit taun taon mag-coup de etat sa Pinas, dahil may unifying force sila, anthony scalia.”
Kaya tingnan mo ang Pilipinas, ang daming shit pareho niya.
KUNG NAKAUPO PA RIN SI ATE GLUE SA ARINOLA NIYA, DAHIL NA RIN SA “UNITED OPPOSITION”
Ipinagmalaki pa!
anthony scalia Says: “KUNG NAKAUPO PA RIN SI ATE GLUE SA ARINOLA NIYA, DAHIL NA RIN SA “UNITED OPPOSITION”
Di mangyayari dito yung nangyari sa Thailand.”
Bakit nakadikit ba sa puwet niya iyong arinola niya na kamukha niya?
September 21st, 2006 at 9:13 pm
Everybody you talked with in the Cebu forum remarked, “Nakakainggit naman ang Thailand.”???? C’mon. That’s an exaggertion considering you are in Cebu Press Freedom forum. The first thing that the coup plotters did was to shut down media and you will say people in the press freedom forum are saying nakakainggit ang Thailand? Hellooo!!!!
“The first thing that the coup plotters did was… ”
Iraya, you’ve got your sequence wrong! The guy in Thailand were no longer just coup plotters coz they succeeded.
Iyan na nga ba ang sinasabi ko! Paano magiging successful ang coup d’état sa Pilipinas kung coup plotters pa lang (planning a coup stage) they shut down media already…
See, if you’ve got guys like this Iraya, how do you expect to launch a successful coup d’état?
Baligtad!
Helloooo!
palagay ko lang may unifying force din ang opposition at iyan ay si gma mismo.
kahit ang mga turuang asong ulol ni gloria ang nakapwesto sa military top command, kung magkakaroon muli ng mga mamumuno katulad nina general danny lim at colonel ariel querubin ay maggiging matagumpay ang coup d et’at. nagkamali lang si general lim noon nang ipinaalam pa niya ang balak na paglahok sa edsa march (kung saan nila ilalahad nag withdrawal of support) kay general singa na nakinig naman kay aspirin na nagsumbong naman sa ninang nilang lagim. sana liberated na ang pilipinas una pa sa thailand. hayyyyyyy!
” nagkamali lang si general lim noon nang ipinaalam pa niya ang balak na paglahok sa edsa march (kung saan nila ilalahad nag withdrawal of support) ”
Siguro si Iraya ang mole ni Gloria lagim!
“palagay ko lang may unifying force din ang opposition at iyan ay si gma mismo.”
Kaya nga, nag-unify na under an association called ROPE FOR GLORIA MACAPAGAL-ARROYO (Right Of Punishment Eternal!)
Sali ka Norpil?
di problema yan.basta mauna ka at sa likod mo ako wag mo lang isama ang aso mo at ako’y takot sa aso.mabagal pa akong tumakbo.
“mabagal pa akong tumakbo’
Ok! Not to worry Norpil!
I will have a special carriage for you drawn by the K9 team here!
ok sign me on as member. magkano ba ang contingency nyan.
Ewan ko, tanungin mo si presidente!
Sakit ng paa ko! Dyahi ako kasi ako lang ang babae. Puro barakong hapon ang dumating sa picket in front of the Philippine Embassy. Ang daming pulis. Took pictures but my camera was not in good condition and in my excitement, I could not steady my hands. Palpak ang pictures. I’m asking the rest of the group to share with me the pictures they took of the rally. About 15 Japanese came with three Japanese media people. Will post the petition addressed to Gloria M. Arroyo in Arkibo as soon as I get the pictures from the organization that conducted the protest. Hindi makalabas ang mga taga Philippine Embassy dahil nakahalang ang mga protesters.
I was asked to deliver a speech. Sinabi kong dapat lang magprotest ang lahat ng mga pilipino against the government led by a bogus president. Palakpakan ang mga hapon! At least, when the Pandak attempts to come here again, I know now whom to knock on for a big rally against her!!!
Gulat iyong mga taga-embassy sa lakas ng people’s power sa Japan sans iyong sinasabi ng mga Internet Brigade na support daw ni Dubya kay Pandak even when Condi Rice says different. Walang magawa ang mga pulis lalo na nang ngitian ko sila and winked with my green eyes!!!
Tangna, nagpasikat na naman si Pandak. Sumulat daw sa mga generals ng Thailand and asked for the restoration of democracty! Susmaryosep! Akala mo democratic siya! Demoniatic siguro!
Iyong ngang mga taga-Philippine Embassy amenado na may democracy and freedom speech and assembly sa Japan. Walang may dalang batuta, etc. nor attempt to hurt the protesters in front of the Philippine Embassy despite the public safety rule against such picket within 100 m radius from any embassy in Japan. Inggit sila sa orderliness ng mga hapon!!! Iyan ang tunay na democracy!
Will somebody please gag the mouth of the Boba, who should know better than meddle in the affairs of other people. Maglinis muna siya ng bahay niya kasama na ang mga Internet Brigade niya!
Ang dami nila kaya kanina mukhang hindi makasingit si Anna!
If a guy is seen among a group of girls, what do you think of him? Ala-Gordon or as one says, Lacsona? And what about an only woman with a group of men in front of the Philippine Embassy? My point in posing the above query is to manifest my opposition to people who question someone’s gender without basis.
Hey Yuko!
Bravo! You got pics?
Bravo Yuko! Hah! Hope you tied a yellow rope around Gloria’s effigys there!
Anna,
Napalpak ang pictures na kinuha ko, but I have sent to Arkibo the copy of the petition submitted by the Japanese group to the embassy. Will send the pictures as soon as I receive the pictures taken by the organizers of the group. Medyo nanginig kasi ang kamay ko in excitement. Ang daming pulis na tinawag ng Philippine Embassy, kilala ko pa ang pinakahepe! Kindatan na lang kami kasi he needed to perform his duty, and we needed to do what we went there for. Ako lang ang babae!!!
Gulat ang mga taga-embassy bakit ako kasama! Sabi ko na lang, hapon kasi ako concerned about the political killings in the Philippines.
Will send the pictures to the barkada as soon as I get them from the organizer of the protest at the Philippine Embassy.
Hahahah!
Sana, hinatak mo na iyong mga taga-embassy!
O kaya pinahatak mo sila sa pulis! Di masaya sila…
By the way, didn’t they have a permit to rally? Dito pag may permit, no problem…
No walang permit kasi nga may restriction as I have stated above. Malakas nga lang kami when we demanded an audience with the Philippine Embassy in March that we were accepted there to submit the petition. Hindi makahirit ang mga kolokoy doon. Then we sang Luis’ version of Gloria Labandera to the tuneof the Battle Hymn of the Republic in front of the Consulate. Inggit nga kami sa Hong Kong group kasi nakakapasok pa sila sa loob ng Consulate.
Anyway, we’re planning to have another street march when it is cooler from Shibuya to Roppongi. Next time mas malaki siguro kasi we plan to publish it in the newspapers here.
We’ll expose all the Boba’s rackets here, and with the growing bad image of the Boba overseas despite the expensive publicity, wala na siyang magagawa. Kailangang masipa na siya lalo pa ibibigti ng gang na ginawa mo!!!
Kahit na mga hapon gagamitin natin para mapa-Thalsik na si Thaksil! :-O
Permit or no permit, matapang talaga itong mga hapon! Hindi umuurong! Freedom of speech! Walang effigy kasi bawal. Residents sa building ng Roppongi property nagrereklamo daw!!!
According to Bangkok-based SEAPA (South East Asia Press Alliance) president, a Pinoy (kaya lang I forgot the name), the leader of the huge summer rallies that Thaksin was steadily regaining the upper hand in the previous weeks that they needed to press for his ouster sooner than the October elections. He called for larger rallies to be staged on Sept. 20.
The Sept. 19 coup by Thai patriotic military preempted the rally that would have been bloody as Thaksin is predicted to instruct police to prevent it.
The guy also said that for two weeks, talks going around in Bangkok say that the perfect exit for Thaksin could occur while he was in the UN and that he can live in exile in London after he is removed. That explains why the folks in Bangkok were never really surprised at the turn of events. And the predictions were right. For two weeks also Thaksin was trading barbs over the media with the King’s representative which is a no-no in Thailand.
He explained that it was not the telecoms deal, the cheating in the elections, nor other major things that Thaksin has been charged with, that infuriates Thais but his ARROGANCE and the way he has bastardized the social and political institutions, his treatment of the King’s rep included. (More parallels with Pinas!)
Among other things, he also said that the Thais were cold to parallels being drawn between Thailand and the Philippines and chided the Pinoy journalist that the Pinoys do not even know what they want (aray!).
Finally he said that knowing Thaksin, people believe that they have not seen the end of it as Thaksin would not take matters sitting down and would attempt to stage a comeback after cooling his heels in London. The populist Thaksin knows that a majority of the rural folks still believe in him and with fresh $1.4B from the telecoms deal in his war chest, he could stir the people’s emotions into rejecting the military junta (ala-EDSA Tres). How would he do it? The guy can’t tell but it is expected to happen.
Ellen, I sincerely wish you can get this guy for an interview and post it here. It would be very enlightening for us to get a Pinoy’s firsthand accounts and views of those from within.
Slip of the Tongue:
“…the leader of the huge summer rallies is worried that Thaksin was steadily regaining the upper hand…”
Thanks for the input Tongue!
“Thais were cold to parallels being drawn between Thailand and the Philippines and chided the Pinoy journalist that the Pinoys do not even know what they want (aray!).”
Hey, Tongue we in Ellen’s blog KNOW what we want!
We want to hang Gloria with a yellow rope made of coloured Manila hemp – from the highest lamp post.
We already have an association called ROPE: Right of Eternal Punishment for Gloria!
If we were to stage a court martial to try this fake commander in chief, and then find her guilty, we can tie her and her husband, and bolate all together!
ROPE for Gloria!
Anna, ROPE it is!
Hear what the friggin sycophants have the nerve to say. Must be flowing liquid nitrogen in their bloodstreams and rusted iron in their brains. From Inquirer:
“On this year’s commemoration of the declaration of martial law, the Filipino people renew their collective vow never to allow dictatorship in whatever form to happen again,” Press Secretary Ignacio Bunye, in a statement, said.
(Can you believe that?)
Bunye stressed the Arroyo administration has been at the forefront of strengthening democracy and fighting off all forms of political tyranny.
(Dammit, stop me, please!)
“We must all celebrate Philippine democracy in its most vibrant moments and fight all attempts to undermine it,” he added.
(That’s it, I’ve had it. Where’s my shotgun?)
Executive Secretary Eduardo Ermita said he wished martial law would never be declared again since political stability had already been achieved under the Arroyo administration.
(Oh no, another one!)
“I can only say we wish the condition that led to the declaration of martial law in 1972 will not reappear so that it will not necessitate such drastic measure,” he added.
(Wish again, you fool!)
Thank God my shotgun’s empty. As for these two ant-brained parrots perched on the Aegean stable of thoroughbred pigs and pachyderms…
Tongue in, anew!
To anna de brux:
—— ‘Ok lang kahit taun taon mag-coup de etat sa Pinas, dahil may unifying force sila…’
“Kaya tingnan mo ang Pilipinas, ang daming shit pareho niya.” ——-
First things first – HINDI KO SINABING “MAG COUP DE ETAT SA ‘PINAS.” Mag-coup de etat SA THAILAND ang sinabi ko.
My goodness, Anna, you are the last person here I expected to put words in my mouth. REALLY, I AM SURPRISED. HOW COULD YOU?
Kayo nga itong gustong magka coup dito.
————————————————————
—–‘KUNG NAKAUPO PA RIN SI ATE GLUE SA ARINOLA NIYA, DAHIL NA RIN SA “UNITED OPPOSITION”’
“KUNG NAKAUPO PA RIN SI ATE GLUE SA ARINOLA NIYA, DAHIL NA RIN SA “UNITED OPPOSITION”
Di mangyayari dito yung nangyari sa Thailand
“Bakit nakadikit ba sa puwet niya iyong arinola niya na kamukha niya?” ————-
Horrors of horrors! Another instance of putting words in my mouth!
Hindi ko ginamit ang salitang “arinola” okay?
HOW COULD YOU ATTRIBUTE THAT TO ME? HUH?
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“Ipinagmalaki pa!”
TALAGA! PROOF NG KA-ENGOTAN, NG KABOBOHAN, NG KATANGAHAN NG “UNITED OPPOSITION” WHO ARE PLAIN AND SIMPLE DESTABILIZERS
To norpil:
“palagay ko lang may unifying force din ang opposition at iyan ay si gma mismo”
Ang unifying force nila ay ang kani-kanilang pansariling interest, kaya di sila maka-usad.
Isa sa napakinggan ko sa National Public Radio ay ang interview ni Robert Siegel kay Danny Unger:
“Thai Coup Follows Schism Between Leader, Elite”
ROBERT SIEGEL: when a military spokesman says there’s a swift return to democracy” do you belive him?
DANNY UNGER: yes,i think its a virtually certain they will in fact there a very swift return in the next election
on Reading and Watching Thailand:
“there’s an impt dinstinction here, reading versus watching.
Reading absolutely they would get fairly straight account.
Watching is far less certain, this is one of the big complaints about the recently ousted Prime Minister,
is that in his time and power he did his best to try to limit the freedom of the eletronic media, the television in particular”
Daniel Unger teaches comparative politics in Northern Illinois University’s Department of Political Science. His research on Southeast Asia and Japan has been published in several books and journals. The most recent books were Building Social Capital in Thailand: Fibers, Finance and Infrastructure (Cambridge University Press, 1998) and, with Alasdair Bowie, The Politics of Open Economies: Indonesia, Malaysia, the Philippines and Thailand (Cambridge University Press, 1997.)
Tongue,
I definitely feel the same way you do listening to Bunye and Ermita gurgling all those garbage about how democratic this Administration is. Our whole neighborhood is piling up with puke again.
But we know those clowns are dishing those statements out for the international audience, considering how the international community has started wagging their fingers in her face for human rights violations.
Democratic daw. Hah! Hustler talaga.
The Woman has been boasting that the Philippines has been invited to be a member of the UN Human Rights Council. So proof daw that her administration is not a human rights violator.
It’s an old teacher’s trick and she fell for it. Whoever is the troublemaker in class, make him or her the “monitor” of the class. The monitor is the one who keeps order in the class while the teacher is out. The troublemaker is thus forced by his circumstance to behave himself.
Ang hustler na out-hustle by the UN.
Phil Cruz,
Great observation! Gloria fell the trap! Stupida!
Chabeli, Phil,
“Ang hustler na out-hustle by the UN.”
She’s trying desperately to twist the truth and prepared to face the court of world opinion head on with her lies.
Extraordinary individual! So liliputan in size but gargantuan evil!!!
npongco:if a guy is seen among beautiful girls, i will think he is very lucky and courteous if among old ladies.
anthony:there is only one unifying force for all the opposition and that is gma for otherwise they will not be in opposition.personal agendas which may create conflict between them is possible.i also think that gma is one step ahead of the others because she has learned from her predecessors aside from the fact that she is lucky.but her luck may be running out and the opposition may get another chance.
TongueinAnew,I’ll try to trace that SEAPA interview. Could it be the guy from The Nation?
Anthony Scalia,
How could I, you asked?
Ok, apologies if I’d inadvertently mistook you for a Gloria apologist.
Welcome to the ROPE club. What position would you like to have in the Right of Punishment Eternal for Gloria? Would you be prepared to pukpok her on the ulo with the other sergeant at arms?
If so, I willingly yield my position to you.
Thank you in advance for accepting!
Sorry Ellen for the late response. (Was glued to the ticker; monitoring the bullish markets). It wasn’t a published interview. I chanced upon him on radio with Arnold Clavio and a lot of things he said I never heard so far in any foreign news outfit covering Thailand. Well, I just thought you might have known him personally being in the same profession. Thanks anyway for the effort.
I’m not sure if he’s from The Nation. I searched their website but found nothing. What I found out is that PCIJ is one of the founding members and that Melinda De Jesus and Sheila Coronel are members of the board.
Also news about the military regime clamping down on media that even websites have been forced to self-censor.
TongueInAnew, I think it was Roby Alampay, the executive director of SEAPA.
SEAPA is in my blogroll. You can click on it.
They have a number of statements on the Thai situation now vis-a-vis media.
Re Iraya’s comment:”Everybody you talked with in the Cebu forum remarked, “Nakakainggit naman ang Thailand.”???? C’mon. That’s an exaggertion considering you are in Cebu Press Freedom forum. The first thing that the coup plotters did was to shut down media and you will say people in the press freedom forum are saying nakakainggit ang Thailand? Hellooo!!!! ”
Iraya, I don’t exaggerate.
First things first. We envy the Thais because they had the guts to oust a corrupt leader. In our case our corrupt leader is even un-elected and we are unable to get rid of her.
As to press freedom, there are concerns about that, but that’s part of the struggle. What is more important is the restoration of a genuine and working democracy.
It might interest you that in the Cebu forum, it was brought out that democracy has been corrupted. The window of access to infromation is getting narrower and narrower. Ours is closer to dictatorship that democracy.
there again. whoever goes against the bullshit administration are called destabilizers. what about those who openly defend their so-called best serving leaders pero nakapikit ang mga mata kahit sa katotohanang lason na ang isinusubo sa kanila? ano ang tawag sa kanila? mga dakila? ano’ng klaseng dakila? dakilang tanga? hindi naman siguro dahil matataas naman ang mga pinag-aralan nila. siguro double standard? maybe. nagkukunwaring nagmamalasakit pero iba ang ipinahihiwatig. aminin man o hindi sila ang kumukunsinti sa mga katiwalian ng bulok na administrasyon ni gloria. this kind of fooled people fooling themselves are the main unifying force behind the bogus and shameless president. not the opposition.
To anna de brux:
Thanks for the offer, but I’ll pass. I’d rather watch you and the others make pukpok to her and First Get.
To norpil:
Yes, GMA is a very lucky lady. But I seriously doubt if the “united opposition” will get their chance.
As long as the “united opposition” is full of people associated with the people ousted by EDSA 1 and 2, GMA can stay in power till 2010.
To mirivera:
“whoever goes against the bullshit administration are called destabilizers”
Bakit, hindi ba?
“what about those who openly defend their so-called best serving leaders pero nakapikit ang mga mata kahit sa katotohanang lason na ang isinusubo sa kanila? ano ang tawag sa kanila? mga dakila? ano’ng klaseng dakila? dakilang tanga?”
Ayan ka na naman. I don’t go by your tune, pinagtatanggol ko na ang gobyerno.
Let’s give specifics, para ma-convince nyo kami dyan sa posisyon ninyo. Ano yung lason?
“this kind of fooled people fooling themselves are the main unifying force behind the bogus and shameless president. not the opposition”
Say all you want, especially that broken record of defending this bullshit administration, pero one thing remains – nakaupo pa rin si Ate Glue. Walang mangyayari dyan sa pagtatatalak ninyo.
Sa tingin nyo ba, makakahikayat mag-coup attempt yang pagtatatalak? Turn-off nga yan eh.
mr. anthony scalia, kailangan pa bang literally ay i-emphasize kung ano ‘yung lason? okey. nilalason nila ang paniniwala ng tao na wala silang ginagawang kabulukan. nilalason nila ang paniniwala ng tao na gumaganda ang ekonomiya samantalang hindi makagulapay sa pagdarahop sa buhay ang nakakararaming maralita. napakaraming mga panlilinlang na hindi nakakatuwa.
ewan ko kung bakit parang tuwang tuwa ka sa ginagawa ng mag-asawang yan na halinhinang tinatakot ang bawat tumutuligsa sa kanilang mga panloloko sa taong bayan. subalit kami na mulang mamulat ang mga mata sa katotohanang ginagawa lamang nilang kalasag ang kapangyarihan ng opisina ng minamahal mong presidente ay sasabihin mong destabilizers?
humikayat para sa coup attempt? meron ba dito?
alam mo nakakatakot ang katulad mo na ipinagbabandohang tumutulong para mag-create ng hanapbuhay ang ilan dahil hindi pa man nagiging productive ang iyong ipinangangalandakan, naniningil ka na ng pautang.
anthony:good if you agree at least that gma is very lucky.indeed born into what they may call here in norway silverware maybe even goldware.everything going in the last years on her way too.there are still a lot of pitfalls i suppose which in each case may be minor to some but a collection of these cases can constitute a danger. in math there is what they call the law of averages, which in practical life could mean that if you live long enough your luck may change.gma had lived a continuos long life 50? or 55? of luck.you may be right it may continue until 2010 and if i am lucky enough i may live long enough to see her down.
“Ed Ermita says that ““We wish the conditions that led to the declaration of martial law in 1972 will not reappear so that it will not necessitate such drastic measure. ”
anna, chabeli, ermita knew very well the circumstances behind why martial law was declared during the marcos rule. kaya niya sinabi ang ganun. at sila rin ang mag-uumpisa. INSINUATION. PLANTING OF EVIDENCES. AGITATION. AND FAKE RESTIVENESS AMONG THE PEOPLE. ang mga ito ang kuwari ay dahilan nila upang i-proclaim ang martial law na kinatatakutan kong mas magiging magulo at magdudulot ng walang pangalawang lihim na paghihimagsik ng mga tao. a martial rule followed by civil war!!!
To mrivera:
“nilalason nila ang paniniwala ng tao na wala silang ginagawang kabulukan”
Correct, but what else is new?
“nilalason nila ang paniniwala ng tao na gumaganda ang ekonomiya samantalang hindi makagulapay sa pagdarahop sa buhay ang nakakararaming maralita”
Alam mo, kung ang hinahanap mo ay biglang magkakatrabaho ang 3 million unemployed, within one year, ay walang makakagawa nyan. Kung ang hinahanap mo ay babalik kaagad ang lahat ng 8 million OFWs dito within one year, ay walang makakagawa nyan. Kung ang hinahanap mo ay zero deployment of OFWs dahil may more than enough jobs here, ay walang makakagawa nyan. Hindi yan trabaho ng gobyerno – trabaho yan ng lahat ng Pilipino.
Please allow me to use all caps, sa ngayon lang –
CONTRARY TO WHAT YOU WANT TO SEE, THE PHILIPPINE ECONOMY IS GROWING AND MOVING, AND THIS IS NOT THE WORK OF GMA, BUT THE COLLECTIVE WORK OF ALL PEOPLE HERE. O SIGE, KASAMA NA RIN ANG OFW REMITTANCES. PERO HINDI DAHIL KAY GMA.
TUTOO, KULANG PA, PERO UMUUSAD, AT IBIG SABIHIN MARAMI PANG DAPAT GAWIN.
HUWAG MO NAMANG ISMOLIN ANG MGA EFFORTS AND ACCOMPLISHMENTS NAMIN DITO. ALAM NAMING US$ ANG KINIKITA NYO (TIMES 50!) MAS MALAKI KAYSA AMIN DITO, PERO HUWANG MO NAMANG ISMOLIN.
Saka milagro yang hinahanap mo kung presidente lang ang gagawa. Since pinararatangan mo akong dinedepensa ang gobyerno, ill do the same – siguro may kinikilingan ka ring papalit kay GMA. Sus, wala ring magagawa yun, hindi pa rin magagawa nun yung expectations mo kay GMA.
“humikayat para sa coup attempt? meron ba dito”
Ikaw ang nagsabi nyan. Oops, kayo palang mga bloggers dito.
“ewan ko kung bakit parang tuwang tuwa ka sa ginagawa ng mag-asawang yan na halinhinang tinatakot ang bawat tumutuligsa sa kanilang mga panloloko sa taong bayan”
There you go again. Tuwang tuwa daw ako, wala ka namang ma cite na quote ko to that effect. Porke ba hindi ako nagtatatalak to your tune?
“sasabihin mong destabilizers?”
E talaga namang destabilizers ah. Para sa inyo, yun na lang ang paraan para mapatalsik si GMA.
“alam mo nakakatakot ang katulad mo na ipinagbabandohang tumutulong para mag-create ng hanapbuhay ang ilan dahil hindi pa man nagiging productive ang iyong ipinangangalandakan, naniningil ka na ng pautang”
Anong naninigil ng pautang? Anong pautang? Kayo ang nakakatakot, dahil sa tingin ninyo ang pagtatatalak ay nakakagawa ng hanapbuhay!
Eto na lang. Yung mga nagsisisigaw ng US-Marcos, US-Aquino, US-Ramos, US-Erap and US-Arroyo regimes, ano ang napala ng bayan sa kanila? WALA! Masaya na yung mga nagrarally sa mga allowance, pag may rally.Eh kung walang rally?
Re: “Anong naninigil ng pautang? Anong pautang? Kayo ang nakakatakot, dahil sa tingin ninyo ang pagtatatalak ay nakakagawa ng hanapbuhay!”
So, Anthony, concretely, what have you got in mind or what do you recommend to us commenters here who express our anger against Gloria in a way that seems to meet your disapproval.
Once and for all, if you don’t mind, could you tell us here, who are not Gloria fans, if you are supporting Gloria or not.
I think this way, we will know what to expect or at least, gain something from your wisdom since it seems you think we are all being thoroughly idiotic about the whole Gloria thing.
Also, if you notice, while most commenters here express their anger and disgust, the general anger and disgust are directed against Gloria and her cabal and if I’m not mistaken, they are not generally directed against co-commenters like you. So, I suggest that we should be civilized about this with each other (co-commenters).
Is this request fair enough?
“Bunye stressed the Arroyo administration has been at the forefront of strengthening democracy and fighting off all forms of political tyranny.
(Dammit, stop me, please!)
“We must all celebrate Philippine democracy in its most vibrant moments and fight all attempts to undermine it,” he added.
(That’s it, I’ve had it. Where’s my shotgun?)”
Hahahahah!
Pati naman kabaklaan pinag-uusapan na dito…tsk, tsk, tsk.
Teka muna, nasaan na si matchong Gringo Honasan? Sana naghahanda na siya sa isa pang coup. Sa kanilang dalawa ni Ping Lacson, mas bilib ako kay Honasan. Lintek na…kung gusto talaga hulihin ng Malacanang si Honasan noon pa. Alam naman nila kung nasaan siya. O baka ang CIA ang nag-aalaga sa kanya?
artsee, ang taong hindi marunong mang-api ng kapwa, kahit ipagsigawang pugante ng mga timawang nakapwesto ngayon, aalagaan, itatago, poproteksiyonan at ipagsasanggalang ng taong bayan. ganyan si gringo honasan. he is not preparing for another coup but a comeback in the next election when the people can make even with this unwanted administration.
anthony scalia, talo mo pa ang sirang plakang sintunado ang tunog. parang utot ng mag-asawang arroymo.
anthony scalia, tao akong marunong kumilala ng magandang gawa ng kapwa sa kapwa. pero hindi ko ipinagbabanduhan kung ano man ang aking ginagawa. hindi ko iniismol ang kontribusyon ng kagaya mo sa pag-usad kuno ng ekonomiya. ikaw ang nangunguna. pero gumaganda nga ba? mataas na naman ang palit ng piso sa dolyar, ang bilihin bumababa ba? ang halaga ng tuition fees sa mga eskuwelahan, binabawasan ba? ang pamasahe, ang mga pangunahing pangangnailangan, ang gamot para sa maysakit at kung ano ano pa, sa mga mahihirap na katulad namin, ang presyo, abot kaya ba?
anna, ala ay lamig laang. ang bala ng syatgan mo ay mas mahalaga pa sa buhay ng isang bayaran. ipamaril mo na laang ng baboy damo sa malakanyang. mataba iyon. masarap ihanda sa pistahan. kaya laang maanggo. ay siya, asintahin mo nang maige.
anna, i will not stop you but i doubt if you can come very far with that now.you had your chance two weeks ago(?) but you can use your talent better than shooting condemned people.
Kool ka lang Anna, Koooool! Ang Anthony Scaiang yan ay isa lang sa mga bayaran. Ang dinig ko pa nga, si Bossing Luli ng Malakanyang ang kanilang Chief. I have a suspicion na ang Anthoning ito is also no other than Jun, yung pasaway nang pasawy at laging out of topic ang mga sinusulat.
My advice to Anthony: Go to philnews.com website. That is where you truly belong! At pag hindi mo pa ginawa, talagang magiging ISMOL ka sa mga bloggers dito. Hindi rin ako manghihinayang na magbayad ng $ sa mangingiliti sa yo hanggang sa dumilat ang #yung mga mata!
To anna de brux:
“Once and for all, if you don’t mind, could you tell us here, who are not Gloria fans, if you are supporting Gloria or not”
Personally, I am not supporting GMA. Pero siya kasi ang presidente, siya ang nakaupo. Thats something I have to live with, till 2010 lang I hope.
Its difficult to look at the issue in a vacuum. There’s the presence of the “united opposition” WHO MAKES GLORIA LOOK GOOD! MASISISI MO BA KAMI SA HINDI PAGSUNOD SA TONO NILA? “UNITED OPPOSITION” YUKK!!!
Perhaps you’ve heard this argument several times already – SHOW US A BETTER ALTERNATIVE, THEN WE’LL SUPPORT YOU!
At saka the country faces more serious problems than booting out GMA. I’d rather help create more jobs and let GMA finish her term. Kasi yun naman talaga ang what matters, fitting jobs for the jobless and underemployed.
“Also, if you notice, while most commenters here express their anger and disgust, the general anger and disgust are directed against Gloria and her cabal and if I’m not mistaken, they are not generally directed against co-commenters like you. So, I suggest that we should be civilized about this with each other (co-commenters).
Is this request fair enough?”
EXCUSE ME? NOT DIRECTED AGAINST ME? BE CIVILIZED ABOUT IT? AS IF THEY DIDNT START THE AD HOMINEMS! YES, YOU ARE MISTAKEN!!!
IF YOU HAVE THE TIME, KINDLY GO OVER MY PREVIOUS POSTS, WHERE I FLOATED IDEAS FOR DISCUSSION, THEN LOOK FOR THE REPLIES TO MY POSTS, AND SEE IF DISCUSSIONS OF ISSUES EXCEED ATTACKS ON MY PERSON (USE OF AD HOMINEMS!)
YOU CAN START WITH A REPLY OF FLORRY THE UNDERWOOD BLOGGER. SHE WROTE A TREATISE CRITICIZING MY USE OF MY CHOSEN NOM DE PLUME. WHEN DID MY NAME EVER BECOME AN ISSUE?
THEN THERE’S SUPALPALPARTAN OR SPALPARTAN WHO STARTED CALLING ME SCALAWAG (NA SINABAYAN PA NG ISANG LUKA LUKANG ELVIRA SAHARA), CALLING ME A HIRED GUN, RATHER THAN CONCENTRATING ON THE ISSUES FOR DISCUSSION.
THEN THERE IS MRIVERA, WHO AMONG OTHER THINGS, IF HE IS REBUTTED AND CANT MAKE A COUNTER-REBUTTAL, RESORTS TO VARIOUS NAME CALLINGS AND NAGMUMUKHANG KAWAWA KUNO (HIGH SCHOOL LANG DAW ANG NATAPOS, ASUS)
THERE ARE MANY OTHERS!
WELL, YOU CAN EXPECT ME NOT TO INITIATE AD HOMINEM ATTACKS. BUT I WILL NOT HESITATE TO RETURN THE FAVOR IF DONE TO ME, AGAIN!
WHY CANT THE BLOGGERS HERE POST LIKE NPONGCO AND NORPIL?
Norpil,
What are you talking about? I’m always cool.
Are you referring to this statement?
““Bunye stressed the Arroyo administration has been at the forefront of strengthening democracy and fighting off all forms of political tyranny.
(Dammit, stop me, please!)
“We must all celebrate Philippine democracy in its most vibrant moments and fight all attempts to undermine it,” he added.
(That’s it, I’ve had it. Where’s my shotgun?)”
If you re-read the posts here, you will find that they were coming from Tongue and matter of fact, I was amused.
Anthony Scalia,
“Perhaps you’ve heard this argument several times already – SHOW US A BETTER ALTERNATIVE, THEN WE’LL SUPPORT YOU!”
What do you mean a BETTER alternative? Are you implying that Gloria ia GOOD? Why not do it this way, prove to me that she is good and I’ll support you.
Anyway, easy: the better alternative, if you want to call it that way, is LACSON.
Will you support this alternative?
Oh, Mrivera and Norpil as well as Elvira,
Those who know me personally find me very cool; I can smile and often be very stoic even when I’m ver angry.
So don’t worry.
Meanwhile, here’s Tongue’s statement again which amused me:
““Bunye stressed the Arroyo administration has been at the forefront of strengthening democracy and fighting off all forms of political tyranny.
“(Dammit, stop me, please!)
“We must all celebrate Philippine democracy in its most vibrant moments and fight all attempts to undermine it,” he added.
“(That’s it, I’ve had it. Where’s my shotgun?)””
anna: i thought you were looking for your shotgun, but it’s good you found your golf club.hope you don’t swing too much.
To anna de brux:
“What do you mean a BETTER alternative? Are you implying that Gloria ia GOOD? Why not do it this way, prove to me that she is good and I’ll support you”
No, if you can point to a person who can best replace GMA, then maybe we can support you.
GMA is not good, but she’s in power, so there’s nothing I can do about it. I look for deliverance elsewhere, and when I look at the “united opposition” YUKK! Better stick it out with GMA.
I dont see anything good in the “united opposition.” They make GMA look good. Look at the “united opposition” makes me want the status quo.
“Anyway, easy: the better alternative, if you want to call it that way, is LACSON.
Will you support this alternative?”
Yes. Ping Lacson is acceptable to me, if he separates from anyone associated with FPJ, Erap and Marcos. But I heard he is deferring to Susan Roces ********throws up*********
Oh my dear Sen. Lacson, how could you do that? Are you letting her lead you? Oh sige, if you become her 2nd in command, I’ll join you Sen. Lacson. Then let’s unseat Susan Roces later.
From anthony scalia:
“Oh my dear Sen. Lacson, how could you do that? Are you letting her lead you? Oh sige, if you become her 2nd in command, I’ll join you Sen. Lacson. Then let’s unseat Susan Roces later.”
ayan ang Pinoy! pamamarisan ka ng mga kapitbahay mo!
Kung pumayag lang sana noon na magkaroon ng Lady President-Vice President tandem na proposal ng grupo ni Herherson Alvarez eh di sana wala nang kudeta pa!
Kung ang Vice-President ni GMA ay si Loren Legarda eh di sana wala ng ingay ngayon sa politika. Ang problema lang, walang magpupuna ng mga YAMAN ng mga PIDALISTA’s.
At isapa makakatakas na naman si GMA sa mga akusasyon na ibinabato sa kanya. Limot na ang isyu ng Edsa Dos at Edsa Tres —- na sya namang gusto ng mga elitisa.
At isapa, si Loren ay galing sa National Defense College, ABS-CBN at University of the Philippines.
Isipin nyo na lang kung nag pursue lang si Loren Legarda noong 2004 ng kanyang kandidatura sa pagka Presidente at hindi ang pagiging Bise.
O kaya ay itong si Lacson ay nagpa-ubaya sa pangalawang posisyon ng pagkapangulo. Malamang iba na ang Presidente natin ngayon!
Teka, sino nga ang humula nito, na ang susunod daw na Presidente ay Babae ulit?
Aba?Lalong matutuwa ang mga elitista/royalist nito kung si Luli ang magiging lider ng bansa!
Since you guys touched on the subject of female leaders suggesting that it would have been ideal for two women to lead the nation (GMA-Legarda) as President and Vice, may I ask if many of our people agree to such a team? Both President and Vice are women? Biblically, a leader should not be a woman. As the man is the head of the family, a man should also lead the country. I know my statement would elicit strong opposition from some here. But, I’m opening this subject for healthy discussion if you wish.
anthony scalia, yes, gloria is in power and there’s nothing anybody so blind and fool can do about that and she will be there perpetually if all people’s thinking is like yours!!!
To nelbar:
“O kaya ay itong si Lacson ay nagpa-ubaya sa pangalawang posisyon ng pagkapangulo. Malamang iba na ang Presidente natin ngayon!”
Tama ka dyan. (Pero dapat nag-give way na lang si FPJ kay Ping, para VP lang sana si FPJ. Sa tingin ko, nanalo sana si Ping as Pres. kung si FPJ ang VP niya. Napaka-ambisyoso kasi di niya ginaya ang career path ni Erap).
To npongco:
“Biblically, a leader should not be a woman. As the man is the head of the family, a man should also lead the country”
Not exactly. You might be interested to know that before Israel had a monarchy, Israel was ruled by so-called Judges. There was once a female judge named Deborah.
To mirivera:
“yes, gloria is in power and there’s nothing anybody so blind and fool can do about that and she will be there perpetually if all people’s thinking is like yours!!!”
You know what, even if I dont think at all, Gloria will stay in Malacañang till 2010. As a matter of fact, even if all the people, including you, would not think at all, the result is still the same – GMA is still seated.
Gets mo? Kaya walang patutunguhan yang pagtatatalak ninyo. Pero of course I have to respect your freedom of speech. Kaya sige, ituloy niyo lang.
npongco:in my small family here in norway, i try to practice this, though i am outnumbered by women. the strange thing is that in the end the women always turned out to be right and i get the blame.a social researcher here noted that women can be better leaders because they think a little further but the problem is that they usually do not come up the ladder because they do not have this killer instinct and those who come up in the process become more like men.her study was based on company/business leadership. in the pinas we have had cory and now gma.i donot know so much about cory’s leadership or non-leadership but certainly gma’s is not the kind the pinas need.
anthony scalia reply to nelbar:
September 25th, 2006 at 2:21 pm
“Pero dapat nag-give way na lang si FPJ kay Ping, para VP lang sana si FPJ. Sa tingin ko, nanalo sana si Ping as Pres. kung si FPJ ang VP niya. Napaka-ambisyoso kasi di niya ginaya ang career path ni Erap”
Sa totoo lang ang eleksyon na nangyayari sa Pilipinas ay hindi nakasentro sa pagpapasaayos ng bawat tahanan. Isang classic example na nangyari ay noong 2004. Na kung saan ang kampo ni FPJ at kay GMA ay nakasentro sa siraan at kung papaano hindi mananalo ang magkabilang panig!
Samantalang ang mga botante naman ay hindi matured sa pamamagitan ng hindi pagtanaw sa plataporma ng bawat kandidato. Dagdag pa rito ang “short memory” na bansag sa mga Pinoy.
Iyong pagtakbo ni Roco ay isang inspirasyon dahil hindi sya tumingin o kinonsider ang makinarya. Hindi tulad ni Loren Legarda na kailangan pa niyang sumakay kay FPJ eh samantalang mas maalam sya duon at sa pinanggalingan niyang NDC. Kahit pa sabihin na gusto siyang maging Bise ni FPJ.
Kung pag-aaralan mo ang kasaysayan, ilang linggo at buwan bago ang halalan ng 2004, mapapansin mo si Ely Pamatong?
Nagtataka ako sa mga kabataang gustong gustong pumunta sa Amerika samantalang ‘Merika’ ang isa sa mga plataporma ni Pamatong. Pero kahit payagan pa ng Comelec si Pamatong ay hindi talaga ito makakakuha ng boto kahit sa anumang grupo ng mga kabataan.Dahil mas pinapahalagahan ng mga nakararaming Kabataan ngayon kung ano ang “makakakiliti” sa kanila.
Sa Pilipinas kasi bias ang mga media. Mas maganda ang presentation sa mga katulad ni Eddie Villanueva kaysa kay Eddie Gil. Sana ay na-gets o nakuha mo ang ibig kong sabihin.
MAKINARYA ANG NANAIG O NANANALO SA ELEKSYON SA PILIPINAS AT HINDI ANG INTERES NG BANSA.
Kaya marami ang natatakot sa ‘popularidad’ dahil alam ng mga elista at ng mga kauri nito na hindi sa hanay nila magmumula ang magiging lider ng bansa sa 2010 gaya ng kinatakutan nila noong 1998 at 2004.
To nelbar:
“Na kung saan ang kampo ni FPJ at kay GMA ay nakasentro sa siraan at kung papaano hindi mananalo ang magkabilang panig!”
Tama. Inatupag ni GMA kung paano ililigtas ang Pilipinas kay FPJ.
“Sa Pilipinas kasi bias ang mga media”
Tutoo. Kasama na dyan ang Malaya at Abante.
“Kaya marami ang natatakot sa ‘popularidad’ dahil alam ng mga elista at ng mga kauri nito na hindi sa hanay nila magmumula ang magiging lider ng bansa sa 2010 gaya ng kinatakutan nila noong 1998 at 2004”
May kanya-kanyang elitista ang nakapaligid sa bawat gustong maging pangulo. May elitistang nakapaligid din kay FPJ. Kahit si “maka-masang” Erap may elitista ding nakapaligid sa kanya, the same elitists who want GMA to go down.
Sa tingin ko nga sa ibang posters dito, baka kasama din sa mga elitistang nakapaligid sa isang naghihintay pumalit kay GMA.
Kaya tumulong na lang tayong gumawa ng trabaho.Ang mga elites lang naman ang palaging namumuno
To norpil:
off topic, but is it really expensive to live there in Norway? I saw the tuition for a one year master’s program in the University of Oslo, its only 400 NOK or about 4,000 pesos! But I read in one message board that the cheap tuition is overweighed by the costs of living in Oslo.
anthony:to study in norway is actually free tuition. i suppose the 400 nok is for other things like id etc.cost of living is one of the highest in the world but students are often subsidised by stipends as well as loans from the govt which are interest free while studying but interest automatically starts after finishing.probably stipends are only open to citizens but not sure on loans.those who borrow money to study i think today will end up having a loan of at least 400,000 nok if one study for about 5 years but this is not counting the stipends which can be much.
“anna: i thought you were looking for your shotgun,”
Well, norpil, your thought was wrong.
Norpil, the women have great intuition but not leadership. They can help in the decision making but not as decision makers. I can’t cite the biblical verse to support the teaching that women should not be the one leading the nation; but it’s there. Emotionally, women are fickled-minded. Did Cory and this GMA succeed? I’ve nothing against women for I have two sisters whom I love so much. We’re talking about leadership and the right to lead a nation as taught in the Bible. You can mention some well known female leaders who were successful; but in the end, it’s the man who should be the boss not only in the family but of the country.
Ja, ja, ja!
sorry npongco but i am not a bible reader either.but are you referring to the old testament or the new.i am just thinking that the world may have been a more peaceful place had there been more women leaders with feminine values.the woman leader we have today is a woman with masculine values. women represent about half of humanity and in a democracy it is the number that count… somebody is getting impatient, we are actually out of topic.
npongco:
Ha! Ha! Ha!. You’re kidding of course about the generalization of women leadership? And what is the bible got to do with women running a nation anyway? I think you just created an open war on this blog, “Women VS Men”. Now, I want to see what Ms Ellen got to say about all this. This would be an interesting argument, I imagine. Women are “fickled minded,” you said. Another Ha! Ha! Ha!
Cory and fake Gloria should be treated as individuals and not with wide brush, as we all are and not with stereo-type.
I don’t know who the author was, but in his book he talked about men’s leadership from the very beginning of the civilization. He mentioned in details that men made a messed of everything and that women should take over to straighten this world, something to that effect.
Anwyway, watch out for Anna’s shotgun.
No wonder Anna doing the ja! ja! ja!
Toney, but that was your shot gun, wasn’t it? Or was it Tongue’s?
I don’t like shotguns, never did, too Holywood or Bolywood like for an old sailor like me (you know the John Wayne type…).
I go for either anold fashioned bazooka or the mothern 120mm recoiless gun (French made and used in Boznia); that, or if there’s no other choice, hand me a local balisong anythime.
And really, this male vs female thing or the other way around is a pansy’s favorite issue. It’s as ooooooooold as Lucy, the stoneage creature. In Europe, this issue is reserved for the primitive species.
Anna:
I’m not a violent person and I don’t believe in shotguns, even though I owned one among other things. I’m with you, I’d rather let my frustration in the golf course… Did you watch the Ryder Cup when The EUR kicked the USA butts?
Balisong I thougth only for batangueno(a)? The beinte nueve.
Women leadership caught my attention. I would make an argument on the subject, but I better leave it alone. Chikcen! Chicken!
Hey Toney,
I did! Great competition, wasn’t it?
I felt bad for Tiger Woods, team pressure – but he’s lucky, he won the singles.
I even blogged about the 2006 Ryder Cup!!!! Yeehaw!
To norpil:
Thanks for the info.
On Men and Women:
Kahit na lalaki pa ang may-ari ng blog na ito, dito pa rin ako dahil taga PANAY si Ellen.
Alam nyo na siguro ang ibig kong sabihin?
Mas maganda na iyong may sarili kesa sa nakiki-ilongga sya sa mga taga Negros, Bacolod in particular.
Magkaiba ang Negrense sa Panayeño!
Hayaan mo Ellen, meron na akong ideya para sa sariling bandila ng PANAY. Halaw mula sa nilalarawan ni David Martinez na Visayas flag.Parang kakulay ng EU flag.
Re Ryder Cup:
Colin Montgomerie, Sergio Garcia(bata pa ito), Lee Westwood ang mga gusto ko!
Ian Woosman, noon pa naririnig ko na yan!
Dapat i-ban na ang mga Kano dyan sa “Roland Garros”
Aabangan ko sa susunod ang Davis Cup. Gusto ko maglaban France at Great Britain.
Etsepwera na ang Amerika!
Gusto ko talaga maglaban sa mga sports ang Inglatera at Pransiya. Basta wag na isali ang Amerika! Nabubwisit ako kapag nakakakita ako ng banderang Amerika(old glory este wala na palang glorya!)